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Service as Awakening: Why Every Human Encounter Can Liberate

Oct 19, 2026
10 min de lectura

De Be Here Now Network

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In June 1986, at a retreat at the Omega Institute in Rhinebeck, New York, Ram Dass sat before an audience and opened with a phrase that sounds like a paradox until you stay with it: "I don't like you, but I love you." He was not talking about romance or family squabbles, though those came into it. He was talking about the people who arrive in our lives without invitation, the ones we would never choose as companions, and what it might mean to treat each of them as the material God has placed on our plate. The talk, now circulating as episode 315 of the Here and Now podcast from the Be Here Now Network, rests on one claim that is easy to nod at and hard to live: every act between human beings, from changing a bedpan to saying hello to a stranger at the checkout, can help, serve, or liberate. What follows is an attempt to lay out the reasoning behind that claim, and the caveats Ram Dass attaches to it, so the idea can be tested in ordinary life rather than admired from a distance.

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Why does the stance you bring to a relationship matter so much?

Ram Dass begins with a practical observation. When you are with another person, the question of who you think you are and who you think they are shapes nearly everything that follows. That stance decides whether the two of you fall into a drama that divides and leaves you both suffering, or whether the same interaction leaves you lighter. He is careful to say the difference is not in the task itself. Changing a bedpan can be a moment of contraction or a moment of freedom; the act is identical, the stance is not.

This is the heart of what he calls the yoga of service. Most of us think of service as a category of activity: you get a credential so you can serve, you care for your parents, you cook or clean. Ram Dass pushes past that list. He argues that every single interaction between human beings has the capacity to help or liberate, and that the deeper you see this, the less service remains a choice you make. "Then the word service, like the word love, loses its meaning," he says, "because it's not something that you have a choice, I will serve or not, because at that point you have become service."

"Every single act between human beings is an act that has the capacity to help or serve or liberate. And finally at that level you see that all is service."

Ram Dass, Here and Now Ep. 315, recorded at the Omega Institute, Rhinebeck, New York, June 20, 1986 (about 3:05 into the episode)

He also admits the thought runs "very far out," and that is why he wants to be explicit about direction. The point of the talk is not to make the listener feel that every encounter should be a sermon. It is to give a compass, so that when the drama of everyday life pulls you under, you remember which way you were trying to face.

Can God be your only friend?

The most striking story in the excerpt concerns his own guru, whom he calls Maharaj. A young woman who was with Maharaj was suffering over a fickle boyfriend. Maharaj asked her a question that stings and consoles at once: "Don't you realize your only friend is God?" Ram Dass uses the anecdote to show what he means by a relationship that is not trapped in the surface drama. Human companionship is real and valuable, but it is unreliable as a foundation. The deeper friend is the one who does not leave.

He is also frank that the word "God" makes many people wince. For some, it carries childhood wounds or a fear of worshipping something outside oneself, which the spiritual traditions have always warned against as dualism. His answer is to define terms rather than defend them. Quoting the South Indian sage Ramana Maharshi, he offers the line that "God, guru, and self are one and the same thing," and explains that the guru is a doorway you look through, not an idol you stop at.

Ram Dass then describes a practical reason devotion takes relational forms. Human beings relate to children, parents, politicians, lawyers and doctors, and the mind and senses are wired to relate to something. "It's very hard for me to say, 'Open your heart to the void,'" he admits. "It just doesn't turn you on." Devotional practice, singing to Ram or Krishna or speaking to Christ, gives the heart a place to land. The image he uses is precise: devotion "takes your emotional body with you, rather than leaving your emotional body behind," and then carries you through the form into what lies beyond it.

Are spiritual methods traps?

Here the talk turns sharp. Ram Dass says all forms, including gurus, gods, idols, and devotional songs, are methods. They are useful, and they are "ultimately traps if you stop there." His formulation is almost a koan: "All methods are traps. I mean, meditation is a trap. You don't want to end up a meditator, you want to end up free." A good meditator, he says, is a fine thing for this life, but it will not by itself free you. You can be a devoted lover of Christ and still not be free.

The implication is demanding. Methods are meant to be used, not worshipped, and the aim is to become what the method points toward. He acknowledges that in most Western esoteric religions, saying "I am God" or "I am Christ" is treated as presumption, something close to chutzpah. Yet his reading is that these devotional traditions are built on the fact that most people are not going to awaken to their true self in one leap, so they supply an emotional bridge to something beyond themselves. That bridge is "extremely useful as long as you don't get frightened by it." Frightened, here, means mistaking the bridge for the destination.

Where does God live if not in a grandfatherly figure?

Ram Dass is careful about what he means when he says God. He is not thinking of the stern, grandfatherly figure of the Old Testament, and he insists he is not anthropomorphizing. Instead he experiences God as the law, the way, or the harmony of things; as "the formless made manifest into all this form." The word God, in his usage, is a mnemonic, a short label for what cannot be spoken. He notes that the Hebrews, aware of this, wrote it as G-D, because no word can contain it.

He links this to the image of an iceberg, the part of ourselves beneath the surface that we do not yet know. That deepest layer is what he calls one's God self, and he connects it to the Hindu concept of the jivatman, the part of God within oneself. The practical consequence follows directly. If God is everywhere, the question becomes: why am I not seeing it? His answer is that the eyes of the beholder decide what appears. "If you're too hungry, you just see what's edible." Our desires and our level of attention determine which level of reality we are able to perceive.

What role does a father play in your awakening?

Ram Dass offers a personal example of how help can arrive in subtle forms. He describes his relationship with his father, and the way it changed as each of them held different expectations and roles. The excerpt is partial, and the full arc of that story is not in the material available, so it is best not to reconstruct it beyond what he says. What the excerpt does make clear is his method: he looks at a family bond not as a set of fixed positions but as a relationship in which care, need, and expectation are constantly moving. Help that is genuinely useful often does not look like help at all. Sometimes it looks like letting go of what you thought you were supposed to give.

This is where the talk's psychology becomes especially concrete. He is interested in how roles, such as father, son, teacher, or professional, become identities that we cling to. When we attach too tightly to a role, it can block the very service it was meant to support. The question he asks, in various forms, is whether we can play the role fully without getting lost in it.

How do you play your roles without being trapped by them?

The answer, as Ram Dass frames it, is to move from role to encounter. He describes connecting with people at the level of heart and soul, which allows a person to perform a function, like being an office worker, a caregiver, or a parent, while remaining open to the person in front of them. He remarks, with some humor, that he would not necessarily choose many of the people who arrive on his plate for friendship. Yet, he says, "because they're on the plate, they are what has been given to me as a gift by God in order to allow me to come to God." Each experience, in his account, is an opportunity through which one can awaken, and whether that opportunity is used is a matter of choice, which he calls one's karma.

The payoff comes when the roles dissolve enough to see the sacred in the ordinary. Near the close of the excerpt he asks a sequence of questions that function as a practice in themselves: is the Beloved a mother and child in Africa, a blind man in Nepal, a homeless person in New York City? Is it the family, the lover, Christ in distressing disguises, or Maharaj in drag? "You pick it," he says. Then the question turns inward: is it your higher self coming to ask, "Can you love me here too?"

"If you've seen the Beloved, there's nothing that brings you more joy than serving the Beloved. Is the Beloved a mother and a child in Africa? Is it a blind man in Nepal? Is it a homeless person in New York City? ... Is it your higher self coming to ask you, 'Can you love me here too?'"

Ram Dass, Here and Now Ep. 315, Omega Institute, June 20, 1986 (about 49:59 into the episode)

That final question is the working core of the talk. It suggests that service is not a sacrifice imposed on us from outside, but a joy that becomes available once we recognize the one being served. It also suggests that the people we find hardest to love may be the places where our awakening is most waiting for us.

Where to go from here

The talk is dense, and it rewards slow listening. A few practices follow naturally from it. Notice the stance you bring into your next exchange with a difficult person, and ask whether it leaves both of you lighter or more entangled. Pick one repetitive act of service, such as a chore, a shift, or a conversation with a colleague, and try seeing it as an opportunity rather than an obligation. When devotion or meditation begins to feel like a possession, ask whether the method is still pointing you toward freedom. And when a relationship feels impossible, try Ram Dass's question on yourself: what is the Beloved asking of me here?

The recording itself is the best primary source. Listen to the full episode of Here and Now, Ep. 315, from the Be Here Now Network, and let the questions sit with you longer than the answers.

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[0:05] It's interesting the expression I don't

[0:07] like you, but I love you.

[0:10] Starts to resonate within me.

[0:12] >> [music]

[0:15] >> I mean, I don't think some of these

[0:16] people are people I would choose to hang

[0:19] out with.

[0:21] But they are what's on the plate.

[0:25] And because they're on the plate, they

[0:27] are what has been given to me as a gift

[0:30] by God in order to allow me to come to

[0:32] God. That's the way I understand the

[0:34] world. I understand that every

[0:36] experience that's presented to me is an

[0:38] opportunity [music] through which I can

[0:39] awaken. It's up to me whether I use it

[0:41] or not. That's my karma, but it's it's

[0:45] present there.

[0:52] >> Welcome to Here and Now with Ram Dass.

[0:55] This is episode 315.

[0:59] This was recorded at the Omega Institute

[1:01] in Rhinebeck, New York in June of 1986.

[1:06] And it asks this question in some way,

[1:09] maybe.

[1:10] What if everyone you encounter, every

[1:13] single person, everyone is actually the

[1:16] beloved in disguise?

[1:19] And what if our only job is to recognize

[1:23] that and see what stands in our own way.

[1:26] This is a radical idea, but this idea

[1:29] that every act between human beings, and

[1:32] I would also say between all beings, all

[1:35] of nature, has the capacity to help, to

[1:38] liberate, and to awaken.

[1:41] And when we see that, when we drop into

[1:44] that,

[1:45] nothing brings us more joy than to serve

[1:48] that life.

[1:50] So, if these teachings that come through

[1:52] today, if they stir something in you, we

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[1:58] Starting November 2nd through 6th, it's

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[2:21] Info is in the show notes.

[2:23] With that,

[2:25] let's dive in. Here is Ram Dass here and

[2:27] now.

[2:33] >> This is Ram Dass.

[2:35] >> [music]

[2:36] >> And the show is called Here and Now with

[2:39] Ram Dass.

[2:42] >> [music]

[2:45] >> Now, um

[2:47] in terms of the yoga of service,

[2:51] when you're with another human being

[2:56] in some relationship,

[3:01] where you're standing as to who you

[3:03] think you are and who you think they are

[3:05] has a great deal to do with almost every

[3:08] aspect of the relationship.

[3:11] It has to do with whether or not you two

[3:14] are going to get caught in some

[3:17] some uh drama that is going to be

[3:20] divisive,

[3:22] that is going to leave you both

[3:23] suffering.

[3:27] Or on the other hand, if you're looking

[3:29] at it from certain place, you can do any

[3:32] act with another human being in such a

[3:34] way that it leaves you with more energy,

[3:36] freer, lighter.

[3:39] And the way you do it creates an

[3:40] environment in which another person can

[3:42] end up freer and lighter through the

[3:44] act, the interaction between. And it can

[3:46] be as simple an interaction as changing

[3:48] a bedpan or saying hello to somebody in

[3:51] the office or

[3:54] It's so easy to keep helping and serving

[3:56] as something you do either you get a

[3:58] credential so you can serve

[4:01] or your parents you serve or these

[4:03] obvious things of serving and helping

[4:06] like cooking food or cleaning up but

[4:09] in actuality

[4:11] every single act between human beings is

[4:13] an act that has the capacity to help or

[4:16] serve or liberate.

[4:18] And finally that that level

[4:21] you see that all is service.

[4:25] Just all that.

[4:26] Then the word service

[4:28] like the word love loses its meaning

[4:30] because it's not something that you have

[4:33] a choice I will serve or not because at

[4:35] that point you have become service.

[4:38] Now I'm talking very far out talk

[4:41] and I want to make clear

[4:44] where the game goes because I think if

[4:46] we have the highest appreciation of what

[4:49] it is about

[4:50] we can sort of

[4:53] guide our course a little bit in that

[4:54] direction

[4:55] because it's so easy to get lost in the

[4:58] in the drama of everyday life.

[5:04] When um

[5:07] a girl who was with my guru Maharaj he

[5:10] was having trouble with uh

[5:12] a rather fickle boyfriend

[5:16] Maharaj he said to her

[5:18] "Don't you realize your only friend is

[5:20] God?"

[5:24] Now

[5:25] I realize that a lot of you when I say

[5:27] the word God

[5:29] wince

[5:31] or tighten. Not all of you. In fact, not

[5:33] even half of you but there are some of

[5:35] you for whom the word God is a real

[5:38] no-no.

[5:39] It comes out of your childhood and a lot

[5:41] of unpleasant experiences you've had

[5:43] with that concept. It also comes out of

[5:45] your fear that you're going to get

[5:46] caught in dualism.

[5:48] In worshipping something external to

[5:50] yourself.

[5:52] And I think when I say the word God, if

[5:54] I make it clear, then I don't have to

[5:56] wince when I say it.

[5:57] Out of empathy for you.

[6:00] Ramana Maharshi said, "God, guru, and

[6:04] self are one in the same thing."

[6:08] That the guru is a doorway you look

[6:10] through,

[6:12] and God is something that when you are

[6:14] in a human form in duality, where you're

[6:17] relating to children and parents, and

[6:19] friends, and politicians, and lawyers,

[6:22] and doctors, and cetera,

[6:25] there is a relational quality in the

[6:28] natural style of human beings

[6:31] with their minds and their senses. And

[6:34] it's very natural to relate to

[6:36] something.

[6:37] It's very hard for me to say, "Open your

[6:40] heart to the void."

[6:42] It just doesn't turn you on.

[6:45] The void isn't quite It doesn't have an

[6:47] emotional pull. And since the quickest

[6:50] way into the spirit is mobilizing both

[6:53] the mind and the heart,

[6:56] you try to work with things that open

[6:58] the heart as well as quiet the mind and

[7:00] focus the mind.

[7:02] And so that all these forms, all these

[7:05] forms of gurus, gods, idols, all of

[7:10] them, they're methods.

[7:12] They are methods. They are ultimately

[7:14] traps if you stop there.

[7:17] But the game of a method is to use it.

[7:19] All methods are traps.

[7:22] I mean, meditation is a trap. You don't

[7:23] want to end up a meditator, you want to

[7:25] end up free.

[7:28] I mean, you can end up a good meditator,

[7:29] and that's great for this life, but it's

[7:31] not going to get you free.

[7:34] And you can have been a great lover of

[7:36] Christ, but that isn't freedom. Finally,

[7:38] you've got to become Christ.

[7:41] Now, in most Western esoteric religions,

[7:44] that's a no-no.

[7:46] You don't think I am God or I am Christ.

[7:48] That's You don't think that. That's

[7:50] chutzpah.

[7:54] And the because they are primarily

[7:56] devotional, dualistic, esoteric

[7:59] religions that are based on the fact

[8:01] that the people they're serving aren't

[8:03] really going to awaken to their true

[8:05] self, and they are providing for human

[8:08] beings an emotional connection to

[8:10] something beyond themselves and beyond

[8:12] the world they know.

[8:14] And as such, it's extremely useful as

[8:16] long as you don't get frightened by it.

[8:18] So, that when I use the word God, I am

[8:21] not thinking of a grandfatherly figure

[8:23] with a stern visage

[8:25] as the Old Testament often portrays him.

[8:29] I am thinking I'm not anthropomorphizing

[8:32] God. I'm experiencing God as we've been

[8:35] talking these past few days about the

[8:36] law or the way

[8:38] or the harmony of things. I see God as

[8:41] all form.

[8:43] As the formless made manifest into all

[8:46] this form, I see that as God made

[8:47] manifest. I see God as the formless.

[8:50] It's a way that I can It's a short

[8:53] mnemonic a word for labeling that which

[8:56] is unspeakable. And the Hebrews,

[8:59] realizing that, spell it G-D. They It's

[9:02] like an unspeakable word. It's not

[9:05] unspeakable because it's so

[9:07] secret. It's unspeakable because no word

[9:10] can contain what it is.

[9:13] So, what I experience it is like saying

[9:16] I am talking about that vastness of

[9:19] myself that is below the surface, the

[9:21] iceberg we're talking about. The part

[9:23] that I don't know of myself, that

[9:25] deepest part of my being.

[9:28] That's my God self. And in Hinduism,

[9:30] they call it the Jivatman or that part

[9:33] of God that's within oneself.

[9:35] So, um if you understand that when use

[9:38] the word God, I don't anthropomorphize,

[9:40] although

[9:42] in devotional yoga, when you sing to Ram

[9:45] or you sing to Krishna,

[9:47] or you talk to Christ, you are

[9:49] anthropomorphizing that quality.

[9:52] And that's okay because it opens your

[9:54] heart and directs it towards somebody,

[9:56] and then you go through that somebody

[9:58] into that which is beyond. And it takes

[10:01] your emotional body with you, rather

[10:03] than leaving your emotional body behind.

[10:05] That's all it's about that I can

[10:07] understand.

[10:10] Now, um,

[10:12] when you

[10:14] uh,

[10:16] when you start to appreciate that

[10:19] God is everywhere, or the spirit is

[10:22] everywhere, then the question comes,

[10:24] "Why aren't I seeing it?"

[10:27] And then you realize it's the eyes of

[10:28] the beholder. It's which level you're

[10:30] choosing to look at.

[10:33] Or which level your desires are allowing

[10:36] you to look at.

[10:37] Cuz I said before, if you're too hungry,

[10:39] you just see what's edible.

[10:42] And it's only when you start to yearn to

[10:45] know your true self, or yearn to see

[10:47] beyond, or realize

[10:49] the ephemeral nature of all the stuff

[10:52] that you grab hold of in the world, that

[10:54] you start to turn your direction

[10:56] somewhere else. And that's why they

[10:57] often say that despair is a prerequisite

[11:01] for spiritual awakening. Meaning despair

[11:04] that everything you collecting is going

[11:06] to be enough.

[11:08] I thought the new car was going to do

[11:10] it.

[11:12] I thought when I married my beloved, it

[11:14] was going to solve the problem.

[11:17] I thought when we got the bills paid.

[11:21] I thought when I got when I grew up.

[11:25] I thought when I got old and got over my

[11:26] passions.

[11:29] I thought, etc.

[11:31] And it was one by one, each of those

[11:33] turns out to be in a way a hollow thing.

[11:38] It's beautiful, but it's not quite it.

[11:40] There's a

[11:41] great quote from Kabir. And this is

[11:43] pretty far out and I'm pushing it a lot

[11:45] today, but I think it's worth it.

[11:48] After all, let's not do the

[11:51] beginners course if we can go right into

[11:52] the advanced one.

[11:56] This is a quote from Kabir. It says,

[11:58] "Dancing is not for me anymore." I don't

[12:01] mean last night's dance. That's not what

[12:03] I'm referring

[12:04] It means the dance of life, of worldly

[12:06] stuff. Dancing is not for me anymore.

[12:09] The mind no longer plays the tune.

[12:13] What was empty is now full.

[12:17] The vessel of desires is broken.

[12:21] The gown of desire has become frayed.

[12:26] All illusions are gone.

[12:30] Parts enough have I played.

[12:34] I can act no more.

[12:37] Friends and companions have all forsaken

[12:39] me.

[12:40] God's name alone I now have.

[12:44] The restless ones are steady at last.

[12:49] All disputes are settled.

[12:53] By Ram's grace I have found my full

[12:55] reward.

[13:00] Imagine that moment when you are stop

[13:02] you stopped expecting that this next

[13:05] thing is going to do it.

[13:07] That the next time somebody says, "Oh,

[13:08] you're wonderful." or "Oh, you did that

[13:10] so well." or "I'm so pleased." or "Thank

[13:13] you so much. You helped me so much."

[13:15] And you milk it just for a little

[13:17] something.

[13:19] I watched my own ego. I watched as I

[13:22] would lecture and people would come and

[13:25] they would

[13:26] I mean, I sit usually higher and people

[13:29] look up

[13:31] and they listen to me and they pay money

[13:33] to come and listen to me. You imagine

[13:35] that?

[13:36] And then at the end, you know, and I'm

[13:38] trying to milk it a little bit of gee, I

[13:40] must be somebody. Imagine that.

[13:44] And I realized as you many of you know

[13:46] how empty that turned out to be for me

[13:48] cuz I tried it. I mean, I've been doing

[13:50] this for 25 years.

[13:52] And at first I would milk it and crowds

[13:55] getting bigger. I'm more somebody.

[13:58] You know, and people come up and say,

[13:59] "Oh, thank you. You've changed my life."

[14:01] And even some of you have come up and

[14:02] said that to me. It used to be that I

[14:05] would say, "Yes." And I would just get a

[14:07] little rush off it.

[14:09] Thank God that isn't happening anymore.

[14:12] Because I go back to my motel room and

[14:14] the rush would be gone.

[14:16] And I was just constantly going up and

[14:18] down on this thing and it wasn't like I

[14:21] turned it off cuz I couldn't stand the

[14:22] pain. It was just that it became empty.

[14:26] And when somebody says, "Thank you for

[14:28] helping me." I'm so pleased that we are

[14:30] journeying together. I'm so pleased to

[14:32] be meeting a fellow pilgrim on the path.

[14:35] It's such a gift to me to be sharing a

[14:37] journey with all of you.

[14:39] And that whole idea of I'm doing it or

[14:42] it's all it just doesn't There's no

[14:44] nothing you can you can That and a

[14:46] dollar gets you on the subway.

[14:49] You know, it just doesn't do it anymore.

[14:51] Doesn't do it anymore.

[14:53] And when that thing starts to fall away,

[14:56] what are you left with?

[14:59] At first you're left with despair

[15:01] because there's nothing that turns you

[15:03] on that much anymore because each one

[15:05] you're doing you sort of see through

[15:07] even as you're doing it.

[15:09] And some of you when I mention sex will

[15:11] get say, "Oh, well, never that one."

[15:14] But unfortunately, that one too.

[15:19] And finally, you are you are forced to

[15:22] dive for something deeper and once that

[15:25] happens everything in your life starts

[15:27] to change.

[15:30] And who you see is changing and who you

[15:33] are is changing. The whole panoply of

[15:38] of experiences, the meaning of

[15:40] everything is changing all the time.

[15:44] It's like the relation my father and I

[15:46] had. My guru said to me one day your

[15:48] father has a lot of money and I said

[15:49] yes, he's going to leave it to you. I

[15:51] said well he's going to leave me my

[15:52] share.

[15:54] My guru said you're not to accept your

[15:56] inheritance.

[16:00] And in one swell foop

[16:03] my relationship to my father changed.

[16:07] Because no matter how well, how kind I

[16:10] thought I was and how much I cared for

[16:12] my father, there was a little part of me

[16:14] that said well, I'll be I can be a yogi.

[16:16] What the hell, I'm going to inherit a

[16:17] lot later.

[16:19] You know, I can act like I don't have to

[16:21] worry about money now because I'll have

[16:22] it later.

[16:25] And there was a subtle way that was

[16:26] saying, you know, you're getting old.

[16:27] Don't you think, you know, it's time for

[16:29] you to move on?

[16:30] I didn't say it, but I mean there I

[16:32] couldn't help but feel a little bit of

[16:34] that. The minute he said that money

[16:35] isn't yours

[16:37] my whole relation to my father changed

[16:39] and we have been in love ever since.

[16:42] Because he sensed at a very deep level,

[16:45] never words, cuz I never told him that

[16:47] my guru had said that cuz it would hurt

[16:49] my father. Cuz he thinks he's leaving it

[16:51] to me.

[16:54] But I there

[16:56] there was something in me changed and I

[16:59] was not feeding the paranoia in him that

[17:02] goes with money.

[17:03] Can you understand that what I'm I'm

[17:05] saying?

[17:07] Is that too deep or

[17:09] can you hear me?

[17:12] I had wanted

[17:14] uh I had been growing up with the idea

[17:17] that my father would leave me money.

[17:20] And so there was a little part of my

[17:22] mind that had an expectation. And so

[17:24] when I was with my father, that

[17:26] expectation in a very subtle, really

[17:28] unconscious way, or semi-conscious way,

[17:32] colored the nature of our

[17:34] our play together, our work together.

[17:37] And that little bit just

[17:40] sent out a message, a very subtle

[17:42] message to him that reinforced the

[17:44] feeling he had uh everybody wants me

[17:46] only for my money.

[17:49] Okay?

[17:50] And so I was in a way reinforcing the

[17:54] paranoia in him that kept him separate

[17:57] and kept reinforcing his suffering.

[18:00] And the minute my guru said you're not

[18:02] to accept his inheritance, something

[18:04] clicked inside me. It was no longer my

[18:06] money.

[18:07] And there was something that changed,

[18:09] and I now wanted my father to spend all

[18:11] his money.

[18:14] And the there was a lightning, and he

[18:16] couldn't figure out who I was anymore.

[18:19] Because that vibration was different.

[18:24] Now, if you can understand that uh can

[18:25] you now understand that example?

[18:28] Okay?

[18:29] If you can understand that example, you

[18:30] can understand what I'm talking about

[18:33] when I'm talking about helping other

[18:35] human beings.

[18:37] Because if you think you're helping,

[18:41] you send a message to another person

[18:43] about them being helped.

[18:48] While uh on the on alternative, if I am

[18:52] just with everybody because you are my

[18:54] beloved in form,

[18:58] I would be with you, you would get a

[18:59] very different message from me.

[19:02] And I look at Mother Teresa

[19:04] working with the leper or this beautiful

[19:07] baby she's holding here.

[19:10] Mother Teresa is saying, I am working

[19:12] with Christ in all his distressing

[19:15] disguises.

[19:17] Now those of you that are nurses,

[19:19] doctors, lawyers, social workers,

[19:24] is that who you think you're working

[19:25] with?

[19:26] Look at your caseload.

[19:29] Think of all the forms that the spirit

[19:31] comes to you in.

[19:33] How many times do you see the spirit and

[19:35] how many times do you get lost in the

[19:36] form?

[19:39] How many times does somebody that walks

[19:41] into your office get categorized in your

[19:43] mind and you deal with the category, not

[19:45] the person?

[19:48] Even if you don't deal with a category,

[19:50] how many of you are dealing with the

[19:52] body, especially if you're a doctor or

[19:54] nurse,

[19:56] and not the psychology?

[19:59] If you're a psychotherapist, how many of

[20:01] you are dealing with the personality,

[20:02] but not the spirit?

[20:05] You'll see that your professional

[20:08] identity is a role traps you into seeing

[20:12] another person in a finite way, which

[20:14] traps them into being that person.

[20:19] As I've said many times, when I started

[20:20] to do therapy,

[20:22] I was so needful to be a therapist

[20:25] because I was sort of a phony therapist.

[20:28] I didn't have a clinical degree. I had a

[20:31] research degree in motivation, child

[20:33] development, but I wanted to do

[20:34] clinical. So I apprenticed myself to the

[20:37] clinic at Harvard and Stanford.

[20:41] And I was sort of a phony therapist, but

[20:42] I really had always wanted to be a

[20:44] therapist. Cuz I wanted to be a doctor,

[20:46] actually, but I wasn't smart enough.

[20:49] So, uh

[20:51] when I was in the office, I was really a

[20:53] therapist. I mean, with my tie and

[20:54] jacket and clipboard.

[20:57] And the person that walked in damn well

[20:59] better be the patient.

[21:02] Right?

[21:07] And in a way, I was rewarding them for

[21:09] being the patient and punishing them for

[21:12] not being.

[21:16] It's very interesting.

[21:17] I mean, I remember feeling angry at some

[21:20] of my patients when they started to get

[21:22] better.

[21:23] Cuz they didn't need me as much, and I

[21:25] needed to be needed.

[21:27] Because my identification was with my

[21:29] own needs.

[21:30] Can some of you hear that?

[21:32] Yeah.

[21:34] Now, as I've said before, who you see in

[21:37] your relation of serving is a function

[21:39] of who you are.

[21:42] That if you see yourself in a

[21:44] psychological identity as a needful

[21:47] human being,

[21:49] you will see other people as needful

[21:51] human beings, and you'll say, "Well, let

[21:52] us work out so that your needs and my

[21:54] needs are fulfilled." That's a straight

[21:56] psychological

[21:58] stance these days.

[22:03] If on the other hand, you and I I am

[22:05] recognizing myself as a soul who has

[22:07] taken incarnation in a personality and

[22:09] body that has needs,

[22:12] I walk into the room, and I meet you,

[22:16] and I am ready to meet you as a fellow

[22:18] soul in which what's our business

[22:21] together? Oh, today I'm the therapist

[22:23] and you are the patient. Okay.

[22:26] That just happens to be the way we're

[22:29] playing on the board today.

[22:32] You're going to have the top hat, and

[22:33] I'm going to have the iron

[22:35] in the game of Monopoly.

[22:38] And the possibility is that at another

[22:41] time, our roles will change. Or even if

[22:44] our roles don't change, we don't need to

[22:46] get caught in our roles.

[22:49] Most people think they need to be their

[22:51] role in order to be effective, and my

[22:53] suggestion to you is you will be much

[22:56] more effective when you are in your

[22:58] role, but not of your role. When you can

[23:00] play your role as a delightful dance, as

[23:03] a game, as a play. Not trivial game, but

[23:06] as a game, as a strategy, as rules, as

[23:08] roles, without getting lost in it.

[23:11] And what burns you out as a helper is

[23:13] that you get lost in your role.

[23:17] You get lost in thinking you are doing

[23:18] something.

[23:20] That you're moving from Park Place to

[23:22] Baltic.

[23:24] Around go.

[23:29] Now, to look and see the beloved in

[23:31] everybody, aha, a whole other ballgame.

[23:35] The minute you realize that what you're

[23:37] seeing

[23:39] what you want for yourself

[23:42] is to come back into the place where you

[23:45] are

[23:46] either the one or in intimate

[23:49] relationship to the one because you

[23:51] realize that there is where the bliss

[23:53] is, there's where the satisfaction is,

[23:55] where the deep happiness is, there's

[23:56] where the end of suffering is, then you

[23:59] start to look at your life and say, "How

[24:01] can I use my life in order to get back

[24:05] home?"

[24:08] And that is the meaning of an

[24:09] incarnation is to awaken out of the

[24:12] illusion of separateness.

[24:15] And the way of the heart in doing that

[24:18] is to see that one.

[24:21] God is your only friend. See that one as

[24:23] the beloved. And see the beloved in all

[24:26] the forms you look at.

[24:29] There's a beautiful poem that I've read

[24:31] for years that Bhagwan Dass introduced

[24:33] me to by somebody by the name of

[24:35] Carsley.

[24:37] It's from a Norman Crucifix of 1632.

[24:40] It's called I am the great sun and many

[24:42] of you have

[24:43] heard this on tapes.

[24:44] And it's talking about the forms God

[24:46] comes in and or the forms the spirit

[24:49] comes in and if you don't see it

[24:51] well, that's your problem is what the

[24:53] poem says.

[24:55] I am the great sun

[24:58] that you do not see me.

[25:02] I am your husband

[25:05] but you turn away.

[25:08] I am the captive but you do not free me.

[25:14] I am the captain

[25:17] you will not obey.

[25:21] I am the truth but you will not believe

[25:24] me.

[25:26] I am your wife

[25:28] your child

[25:31] but you will leave me.

[25:34] I [snorts] am that God to whom you will

[25:36] not pray.

[25:39] I am your counsel but you do not hear

[25:42] me.

[25:45] I am the lover whom you will betray.

[25:50] I am the victor but you do not cheer me.

[25:57] I am the holy dove

[26:01] whom you will slay.

[26:04] I am your life but if you will not name

[26:08] me

[26:10] seal up your soul with tears

[26:14] and never blame me.

[26:22] And you recognize this I suspect from

[26:24] Matthew.

[26:26] For I was hungry and you gave me food.

[26:31] I was thirsty and you gave me drink.

[26:35] I was a stranger

[26:37] and you welcomed me.

[26:40] I was naked

[26:42] and you clothed me.

[26:45] I was sick

[26:47] and you visited me.

[26:50] I was in prison

[26:53] and you came to me.

[26:56] Truly, I say to you,

[26:59] as you did it to one of the least of

[27:01] these my brethren,

[27:04] you did it to me.

[27:09] And this is one more thing I want to

[27:11] read about this level of the game. This

[27:14] is from a book called The Heart of a

[27:16] Gopi,

[27:17] which is a

[27:19] very devotional book,

[27:22] um in which

[27:24] um the young wife in this Hindu family,

[27:29] she uh

[27:30] she's a Gopi. She goes to the well and

[27:32] she starts to meet Krishna, this kind of

[27:35] playful form of God,

[27:37] and she falls madly in love with him.

[27:40] And she's always listening for the sound

[27:41] of his flute.

[27:44] Her husband's name is Nath.

[27:48] And she's explaining to him her

[27:50] predicament.

[27:52] And she says, "And now, Nath, mine ears

[27:55] are perpetually haunted by his voice.

[28:00] And all Braja, all the town, Vrindavan,

[28:03] has become but a mirror of his matchless

[28:06] beauty.

[28:07] Beauty so perfect that it may not even

[28:10] be dreamed of by mere mortals.

[28:14] And my heart,

[28:16] ah,

[28:18] there is no longer a heart in Sharmila's

[28:20] breast."

[28:24] There was a long, long silence.

[28:28] Then,

[28:30] "And what about me, Sharmila?"

[28:34] asked Nath very low.

[28:38] Her husband's saying, "If you love God

[28:40] so much, what happened to me?"

[28:44] She says, "Never, never, no, never have

[28:48] I loved thee as I do now.

[28:52] What?

[28:56] Ah, Nots, Nots.

[28:59] How difficult to understand.

[29:03] Well, I cannot understand, it is true,

[29:05] and I am afraid, Sharmila. I am so

[29:07] afraid.

[29:09] And shuddering, he hid his face within

[29:11] his two hands.

[29:13] Nots, said I solemnly, look deep into my

[29:16] eyes and listen well to each word I say.

[29:20] And if I speak but the shadow of a

[29:22] falsehood, may Krishna never appear to

[29:25] me again.

[29:27] And may Sharmila be rendered accursed

[29:29] forever and ever through all eternity.

[29:34] I say to thee this,

[29:37] did Sharmila not love thee with a love

[29:40] as pure as that of Sita for Ram,

[29:44] as fathomless as the ocean,

[29:47] as vast as eternity,

[29:49] never, never could she love Krishna.

[29:54] And if she did not love Krishna,

[29:57] never, no, never could she love thee

[29:59] with the love thou deservest.

[30:02] Deservest.

[30:04] It's not thy body that I love.

[30:07] It is thy soul

[30:09] and all the goodness

[30:11] and sweetness

[30:13] and strength thereof.

[30:15] I love thee for thy strong manhood, for

[30:18] thy virtue, for thy intellect, thy

[30:20] skill, thy tenderness, thy simplicity,

[30:23] truth, and steadfastness.

[30:25] And all this, yea, every single one of

[30:28] these qualities is Krishna.

[30:31] All is Krishna.

[30:36] I cannot imagine a soul

[30:41] that does not, at some level yearn

[30:48] to be the one, to return to the one.

[30:53] When I meet another person,

[30:56] am I meeting that soul that is yearning

[30:59] to come to the one,

[31:01] or am I meeting who that soul incarnated

[31:04] in as and thinks they are?

[31:09] Recently, I went to Nepal for the Save

[31:11] the Children Foundation.

[31:14] And I was going in the role of being

[31:16] chairman of the board.

[31:19] And I was meeting officials of the

[31:21] government.

[31:23] And I put on my blue blazer and my

[31:24] necktie.

[31:27] And I went to luncheon with General Rana

[31:30] and

[31:31] ministers and all these people.

[31:35] And I had some trepidation as I flew

[31:37] over there,

[31:39] thinking, "Well, it's pretty easy to

[31:41] stay in the spirit and see God

[31:43] everywhere when you're hanging around

[31:46] other people who are seeing it, too."

[31:49] You understand? It's called a satsang in

[31:52] Hinduism, or the sangha in Buddhism, or

[31:54] the fellowship in Christianity. There's

[31:56] words for that kind of

[31:58] people you like to hang out. That's what

[32:00] we're doing here. We're replenishing

[32:01] ourselves because we're safe mirrors for

[32:03] each other, because we are

[32:04] self-selecting who we are here.

[32:09] But I thought, "What's it going to be

[32:10] like when I

[32:13] get down

[32:15] and have to deal in hard realities of

[32:18] dollars and cents and hospital plans and

[32:21] structures and government official?"

[32:26] And I sat down to lunch

[32:28] with Elliot and

[32:31] And I looked at these people,

[32:34] and I haven't realized how deep my

[32:37] spiritual

[32:39] commitment had become.

[32:43] Because in the past, their power

[32:46] would have awakened in me my third

[32:49] chakra power response.

[32:52] I would have locked into

[32:56] it's me against them,

[32:58] which is the world that many of them

[33:00] live in.

[33:04] But as I sat down, I saw that little

[33:07] place in me flicker

[33:10] and then not grab hold.

[33:14] And I looked at them and they were

[33:16] fellow beings just like me on a journey

[33:18] trying to find their way through the

[33:21] morass of stuff the mind creates.

[33:25] And some of them were busy thinking they

[33:27] were General Rana,

[33:29] and some of them busy thinking they were

[33:30] Mrs. Gupta and so on.

[33:35] And I just looked at them and I felt

[33:37] such love for them.

[33:42] I thought, how can I I mean, I don't

[33:44] anymore, but I used to think, how can I

[33:46] love this person? I don't even know

[33:47] them.

[33:51] It's interesting the expression, I don't

[33:53] like you but I love you,

[33:56] starts to resonate within me.

[34:01] I mean, I don't think some of these

[34:02] people are people I would choose to hang

[34:05] out with.

[34:07] But they are what's on the plate.

[34:11] And because they're on the plate, they

[34:13] are what has been given to me as a gift

[34:16] by God in order to allow me to come to

[34:18] God. That's the way I understand the

[34:20] world.

[34:21] I understand that every experience

[34:23] that's presented to me is an opportunity

[34:25] through which I can awaken. It's up to

[34:27] me whether I use it or not.

[34:29] That's my karma, but it's it's present

[34:31] there.

[34:34] And I look at these people and I

[34:36] suddenly feel this incredible sense of

[34:38] love.

[34:42] And what's a general to do when somebody

[34:45] looks at him and loves him that much?

[34:48] And what is incredibly beautiful about

[34:50] these Nepali people is

[34:53] to without exception

[34:56] they responded with love.

[35:00] And that's just what Jai was telling us

[35:01] yesterday

[35:04] about the people in

[35:07] Española.

[35:11] That when

[35:12] we feel safe enough to keep our heart

[35:16] open in the presence of a power field

[35:21] we create an environment where other

[35:23] people can come out and play in the

[35:25] heart space as well.

[35:27] Can you hear that?

[35:33] But you see, if I'm identified with my

[35:35] needs

[35:37] with my psychology

[35:40] I constantly must be looking at

[35:42] everybody to say

[35:44] can you satisfy my need or if there's

[35:46] only one piece of tofu who gets it?

[35:51] See? There's a part of me that is

[35:54] constantly having to treat you like an

[35:56] object because I identify with my

[35:58] desires. When you identify with your

[36:00] desires, other people become objects.

[36:06] Now, I came into those meetings with an

[36:08] agenda.

[36:11] I came in to convince those people to do

[36:13] certain things that I think would be for

[36:15] the well-being of the blind in Nepal.

[36:20] The question was whether I identified

[36:23] with my agenda so much

[36:25] with my mind and that agenda that I

[36:28] treated them as objects to be

[36:29] manipulated to bring about the result of

[36:32] my agenda or whether I opened my heart

[36:36] and met them as heart beings and then in

[36:39] the space of shared of two souls meeting

[36:42] together then from there we looked at

[36:45] what business we had.

[36:49] I remember some years ago I was um

[36:52] uh when The Only Dance There Is was uh

[36:55] the Journal of Transpersonal had

[36:57] published it in the magazine and then it

[36:58] was going to be a book.

[37:00] And um

[37:02] I was called into the publisher's office

[37:04] um

[37:05] a man named Bill Whitehead who was with

[37:07] um

[37:08] um

[37:09] Dutton.

[37:11] Dutton?

[37:12] Um yeah. No, it wasn't Bill Whitehead.

[37:15] It was somebody else at Doubleday. No,

[37:16] it was Bill Whitehead. He was at

[37:17] Doubleday. That's what's confusing.

[37:19] Okay. And this guy I'd never met him

[37:21] before.

[37:23] And he was going to negotiate a contract

[37:25] with me.

[37:26] Now, publishers when they negotiate

[37:28] contracts, I don't know what you whether

[37:30] you know publishers, but they

[37:32] they are really weird. I mean they

[37:36] they smile a lot, but you got to watch

[37:38] everything, you know, and

[37:40] I come in this kind of you know

[37:43] nebbish spiritual seeker.

[37:46] You know, I don't know much about the

[37:48] business world. And I can see him

[37:50] looking at me and pegging me as just

[37:52] that.

[37:54] And I'm in a very nice space and I look

[37:57] at this guy and I love him immediately.

[37:58] He's a nice guy. But I see his mind. I'm

[38:01] very quiet. I've been meditating a lot

[38:03] and I saw his mind and I saw his mind

[38:05] saying, "Well, this is going to be a

[38:06] soft touch, you know. We'll get a good

[38:08] contract out of this guy."

[38:10] And I said to him, "Bill I said, you

[38:13] know, you and I immediately feel an

[38:15] instant rapport and it's going to be a

[38:16] very beautiful friendship we're going to

[38:17] have.

[38:19] And I said, "I've got to be very careful

[38:22] not to create karma for myself by

[38:24] letting you exploit me.

[38:29] So that in these negotiations, I'm going

[38:31] to screw you to the wall, but don't take

[38:33] it personally.

[38:34] >> [laughter]

[38:41] >> Because just because your heart isn't is

[38:43] open, because your heart is open,

[38:46] doesn't mean you become less than

[38:47] impeccable in the way you play your

[38:49] game.

[38:51] People feel somehow if I'm a therapist

[38:54] and I open my heart, it's going to cost

[38:56] me too much. Well, I'll tell you it's

[38:58] costing you a hell of a lot more to stay

[38:59] in your role and keep your heart closed.

[39:03] Because you say, "Well, I got to work

[39:05] today and then I do my stuff. Then I go

[39:08] home and there's where my heart is."

[39:11] Well, what the hell's that all about?

[39:13] Who were all those people you saw all

[39:15] day? Who was the person at the next

[39:17] desk? Who's the policeman? Who's the

[39:18] grocer? Aren't they your family?

[39:21] How did you decide that? Was it a

[39:22] biological thing that your parents did?

[39:27] I mean, doesn't it get interesting when

[39:28] you stop making those discriminations?

[39:30] Then you have special work to do with

[39:32] certain people.

[39:33] In the game sense, some people you raise

[39:35] children with, some people you pay money

[39:38] to.

[39:40] But is the only relationship you and I

[39:42] have is paying money? Is that it?

[39:45] Or are we just the beloved meeting each

[39:47] other through the vehicle of paying

[39:49] money?

[39:50] Do you get caught in your vehicle all

[39:52] the time or do you keep remembering the

[39:54] root the root game, the nature of the

[39:57] real game between human beings?

[39:59] If you can remember and keep that heart

[40:02] connection going with other people,

[40:04] each time you make a heart connection

[40:07] with another human being, it it's like a

[40:09] charge of energy that goes in and you

[40:11] end up higher than you started before

[40:13] you You know what it's like when you

[40:15] meet someone. You go around here and you

[40:17] look at somebody and you suddenly

[40:18] recognize a kindred spirit

[40:21] and you go, "Ooh."

[40:23] It's just like a little charge of juice.

[40:26] Well, why shouldn't that be with

[40:28] everybody all day long? Ah, some of them

[40:32] do think they are their roles.

[40:36] Now, the question is, do you need them

[40:38] to know who they are for you to get

[40:40] juice off your love?

[40:45] Do you need them to know who they are

[40:48] for you to get juice off the

[40:50] relationship, your love?

[40:54] If I look at somebody and I see Krishna

[40:57] in drag or I see

[40:59] if I see the spirit or I see my guru

[41:02] coming at me saying, "I'm going to get

[41:03] you this time." You're going to take me

[41:05] seriously.

[41:06] See, that's the game I play. I mean, I'm

[41:08] really mashugana. I'm really out there.

[41:10] Because I just deal with my guru. So,

[41:13] they say your only friend is God. Well,

[41:14] my only friend is my guru.

[41:17] And so, everybody here is my guru

[41:19] playing games with me.

[41:21] Saying, "I bet you can't find me in

[41:22] here."

[41:24] Hey.

[41:26] Because each each time it comes in with

[41:28] an incredible disguise saying,

[41:31] "I'm I've got a real problem. Could you

[41:32] help me?" Or

[41:34] "Or I really love you. Let's go to bed."

[41:36] Or whatever.

[41:38] Hey.

[41:39] And it's my guru and I say, "I see you

[41:41] in there. I see you. Oh, you thought

[41:43] you'd get me that time, didn't you?

[41:44] Yeah.

[41:45] You rascal."

[41:48] I call them many names, by the way.

[41:49] That's the most gentle of them.

[41:54] Now, it's interesting cuz a lot of you

[41:56] deal

[41:57] a lot of you deal with people in your

[42:00] offices, colleagues,

[42:03] people in hierarchical positions who

[42:05] believe me uh are very much identify

[42:08] with their role.

[42:11] And they aren't about to come up for

[42:12] air.

[42:14] You may have a supervisor that's

[42:16] immediately post Neanderthal.

[42:21] You know, a nice person. I mean, a

[42:23] person that's well-meaning and caring,

[42:25] but not an awake being. And you're

[42:27] trying to awaken, and you would like to

[42:29] hang out with other people who are

[42:30] saying, "Hey, you're going to sleep.

[42:31] Come on, wake up."

[42:33] Cuz that's the fun of satsang, but you

[42:35] don't always have that.

[42:38] Now, what happens is when somebody else

[42:40] takes their role seriously, they are

[42:43] saying to you, "This is reality."

[42:48] "This is what's real." And if there's a

[42:51] part of you that

[42:53] is flickery, you're going to buy it.

[42:58] The minute they If they come on that

[43:00] strong,

[43:03] like if there's a part of you that is

[43:05] insecure and needs power,

[43:09] and somebody comes along exerting power,

[43:11] you're going to go right into your third

[43:14] chakra and deal with them in power.

[43:17] And if you are working on yourself,

[43:19] you're going to notice later that you

[43:21] did that, and you're going to say, "How

[43:22] poignant."

[43:24] There I went again.

[43:27] And after a while, you see yourself

[43:29] going under to different kinds of people

[43:32] who present models of who they think

[43:34] they are, and who they think you are.

[43:37] Because everybody is telling you who you

[43:39] are all the time, by the way they meet

[43:41] you, every time they meet you.

[43:46] Like I go to the Stop & Shop in Boston.

[43:49] And I come to the checkout counter.

[43:51] And the checkout person says, "Hello."

[43:54] And then they go to kind of And then the

[43:56] hello isn't to a real human being.

[44:00] It's to uh

[44:01] uh

[44:02] It's to a hand holding money.

[44:05] And it's to a uh set of bundles in the

[44:08] making.

[44:10] And I just write there, and they'll look

[44:13] up at me and flicker at me, and I'm just

[44:15] looking at them. I'm right there. Say

[44:17] hello.

[44:18] Now, I say hello because I'm looking at

[44:21] Maharaji who's coming to me

[44:24] as a checkout person.

[44:28] Now, the person may go right back to

[44:31] their numbers and then say $22, and I

[44:33] hand them the money and get the change,

[44:35] and they never noticed that.

[44:38] What happened to me?

[44:40] If my relation to Maharaji needed them

[44:43] to affirm it,

[44:45] I'm going to be crushed.

[44:48] But my relation's with Maharaji.

[44:52] And Maharaji's coming in a form that I

[44:54] must appreciate the form. Not must, but

[44:56] I do appreciate the form.

[44:59] Because God comes in an infinite variety

[45:01] of forms. How could you not appreciate

[45:03] them all?

[45:06] The minute you don't identify with your

[45:08] form, you don't have to judge other

[45:10] forms, as I said the other day.

[45:13] You can just appreciate them.

[45:16] And sometimes the checkout girl or guy

[45:19] will look at me

[45:21] and realize that I am responding to them

[45:24] as if they are real.

[45:27] As if there's a real being in there.

[45:29] Which is not usually the case for them.

[45:32] Or not always the case for them.

[45:34] And what's fun is at least 50% of the

[45:38] time, they're right there.

[45:41] They come alive at that moment.

[45:44] And there's nothing for us to do other

[45:45] than exchange the money and say

[45:49] the rather overused have a good day.

[45:52] You, too.

[45:53] But somehow when you say it, you're

[45:55] saying it.

[45:57] You're saying it. Have a good day. You

[45:59] know, I mean, it really you really want

[46:00] them to have a good day.

[46:04] So, when you can hear this, you see that

[46:07] who you serve, who you think you're

[46:09] serving, determines what you get back

[46:14] from the service you do.

[46:16] If you're satisfied with the money,

[46:18] that's what you'll get, the money.

[46:21] And the money will come and go.

[46:25] If you are satisfied with the accolades,

[46:28] with the thank you very much, you've

[46:29] helped me a lot, that's what you'll get,

[46:31] and believe me, it'll be empty later on.

[46:34] When you open your coffers, it will have

[46:36] all turned into slush, as

[46:39] the poem say.

[46:43] But if the reward is just staying in

[46:46] love,

[46:47] staying in the place of love,

[46:50] and you keep cultivating it in yourself,

[46:52] it's like bringing yourself always up to

[46:53] your fourth chakra.

[46:55] Just bringing yourself into love all the

[46:57] time.

[46:58] And you practice with everybody you

[47:00] meet, and the ones that catch you are

[47:02] the ones you love, because that's

[47:03] Maharajji really getting you.

[47:06] And sometimes you don't even realize

[47:07] they caught you, they caught you so bad

[47:09] till later on when you're meditating.

[47:11] And it starts to come up, and you say,

[47:12] "Oh, wow, did that person get me?"

[47:16] Somebody comes along and they say,

[47:19] they awaken lust,

[47:21] and you go from I love you to I want

[47:23] you.

[47:24] Right?

[47:27] Somebody comes to you who are looking I

[47:29] love, and somebody says, "Well, I just

[47:31] happen to have a million dollars I'm

[47:32] trying to give away." And suddenly you

[47:33] go from love to desire, I want the

[47:36] money.

[47:37] And your smile turns from the smile of

[47:39] joy to the smile of manipulation.

[47:43] Yuck. Ooh, God.

[47:47] I mean, I do it all the time, so believe

[47:49] me, I I know of what I'm speaking.

[47:57] Now, it's interesting,

[47:59] when you are in love with somebody

[48:03] have you ever noticed how a lot of the

[48:05] qualities that you thought were really

[48:08] you like I I hear people say

[48:12] oh God getting up in the morning is such

[48:14] a drag I hate it God and I just don't

[48:17] want to talk to anybody and I just want

[48:19] my cup of coffee and uh

[48:23] you know that feeling okay

[48:26] and then that person falls in love

[48:30] suddenly there they are bringing

[48:32] breakfast in bed with a flower to

[48:35] somebody in the morning I mean who could

[48:37] that be it's not me

[48:40] it's not gruff old me

[48:43] it's very bizarre how when the heart

[48:45] opens you would like your beloved to be

[48:48] happy just like you feel towards your

[48:50] children you want your children to be

[48:53] happy and you don't even give a damn

[48:54] about your happiness because their

[48:57] happiness brings you more joy than your

[49:00] own happiness done

[49:04] now can you imagine what it's like to

[49:06] love everybody that way

[49:12] now listen again to the quote that I was

[49:14] using this week

[49:16] Gandhi God Gandhi said God demands

[49:19] nothing less than complete

[49:20] self-surrender as the price for the only

[49:23] real freedom that is worth having

[49:25] surrender out of your identification

[49:27] with your role

[49:29] and when a person thus loses

[49:32] I'll use him this time loses himself

[49:36] he immediately finds himself in the

[49:39] service of all that lives

[49:42] it becomes his delight

[49:44] and recreation

[49:46] he is a new person never weary of

[49:49] spending himself in the service of God's

[49:52] creation.

[49:56] If you've seen the beloved,

[49:59] there's nothing that brings you more joy

[50:01] than serving the beloved.

[50:04] Is the beloved

[50:08] a mother and a child in Africa? Is it a

[50:10] blind man in Nepal?

[50:15] Is it a homeless person in New York

[50:16] City?

[50:19] Are they them or is that the family? Is

[50:21] the family is it the lover?

[50:24] Is it the beloved? Is it Christ in the

[50:26] distressing disguises? Is it Maharaji in

[50:28] drag? Which one is it?

[50:31] You pick it.

[50:33] Is it your higher self coming to ask

[50:37] you, "Can you love me here, too?"

[50:41] Every experience, every time you turn

[50:44] your head and look and see something.

[50:48] I had this interesting experience. I was

[50:51] with a friend of mine

[50:52] um in Goa in India.

[50:55] And we were there to smoke dope and play

[50:58] on the beach and all that sort of stuff.

[51:02] It was my Goa experience.

[51:05] Some of you know what that means.

[51:08] And late one afternoon, we were walking

[51:10] to get the last bus to go into town to

[51:13] have a Chinese dinner.

[51:16] In our luxurious It was sunny and warm

[51:19] and there were parrots in the trees and

[51:21] beautiful flowers.

[51:25] And we got near the bus stop and my head

[51:29] turned. I was just looking around and I

[51:31] happened to look down

[51:33] and there was a tiny kitten about this

[51:36] big

[51:37] with its legs flayed and its hair

[51:40] standing up on end

[51:42] with a look of absolute panic.

[51:46] Now,

[51:48] the person I was with is a very

[51:50] sentimental,

[51:52] very,

[51:53] uh, romanticizing person.

[51:58] Now, I could look at that cat and I

[52:00] could say, "Well, it's a cat and it's in

[52:02] trouble and it's an Indian cat and cats

[52:04] have a hard time in India."

[52:07] And that's the way of life and walk on.

[52:12] I don't know. I can just tell you what I

[52:15] was experiencing. I looked at the cat. I

[52:18] felt that heart go out and then that

[52:20] equanimity understanding of, "Look, the

[52:23] universe is full of cats that are in

[52:25] trouble. The last bus, I can hear it

[52:27] coming down the road."

[52:30] It's if we go for this cat, there's no

[52:32] Chinese food.

[52:33] I mean, I heard all that in my mind, all

[52:35] right?

[52:40] And for some, I don't know. I mean, I

[52:43] would say, I'd like to say it's the

[52:44] higher compassion in myself. I don't

[52:47] know. I

[52:48] nudged my friend and I pointed.

[52:52] And that was it.

[52:54] Not only no bus, no Chinese food.

[52:59] But eye droppers

[53:01] and milk formulas.

[53:04] We were planning to leave for Benares.

[53:07] We couldn't leave. The cat was too sick.

[53:11] Nobody in the neighborhood wanted the

[53:13] cat. They wouldn't even take the cat if

[53:15] I gave them money to take the cat.

[53:20] The cat cried all night. We held the

[53:22] cat. We rocked the cat. The cat puked

[53:25] and shat everywhere.

[53:31] Two weeks later, the cat died.

[53:34] We buried the cat and went on with our

[53:36] life.

[53:42] >> [gasps]

[53:42] >> What do you do with those cats?

[53:45] >> [laughter]

[53:48] >> Uh

[53:51] But it's interesting when my friend and

[53:53] I reflect about our trip, one of the

[53:55] high points was our experience with a

[53:58] cat.

[54:00] Because it pulled us both out of our

[54:02] preoccupations with ourselves.

[54:06] Took us to another level.

[54:09] I can just tell you that in these past

[54:11] years, ever since when I said to

[54:13] Maharajji,

[54:14] "How do I know God?" and he said, "Feed

[54:16] people." and I said, "How do I get

[54:18] enlightened?" and he said, "Serve

[54:19] people."

[54:20] I've tried not to hear that for years.

[54:24] But as I hear it more deeply,

[54:27] and as I really start to understand

[54:29] karma yoga, the yoga of coming to God

[54:31] through service,

[54:34] and I keep surrendering as Gandhi's

[54:36] talking about, just keep surrendering

[54:37] into it. So, it's not me doing service,

[54:40] which is that lesser role identity,

[54:43] even the mythic one, it's the other one

[54:45] of I am a being going to God, and what

[54:48] is my vehicle? My vehicle happens to be

[54:50] doing service.

[54:53] And I serve God to come to God. That's

[54:55] the way into God. There are different

[54:58] ways to come to God, and that just

[54:59] happens to be one of the ways, and it's

[55:01] the way I'm teaching this week, cuz

[55:02] that's my way. That's the way I do it.

[55:06] And the lesser one is

[55:08] oh, I'm serving. Like I pick up some

[55:10] dishes on the table in the dining hall

[55:13] that aren't my dishes.

[55:17] Now, sometimes there's a little thought

[55:19] in me of

[55:21] you know, maybe someone will see me

[55:23] picking up these dishes, you know, and

[55:25] the staff will see me, and that'll

[55:27] really show them what really

[55:30] that level of behavior is really about,

[55:32] and then

[55:36] that's one level.

[55:40] Sometimes it's well, I'm going this way.

[55:41] I'll take these dishes.

[55:44] It's another level.

[55:47] At that point you have just become

[55:49] service. You are just looking for ways

[55:51] to help your beloved.

[55:55] If you've got a pain, it's our pain.

[55:57] Let's do something about it.

[56:00] Thing you finally have to examine, which

[56:02] we will be examining more this weekend,

[56:05] is if you act that way,

[56:09] do you lose something or do you just

[56:12] gain?

[56:14] Because most people are afraid that if

[56:16] they open their hearts in life,

[56:19] it's going to cost them too much.

[56:22] And I really want to get you reflecting

[56:24] about the fact that if you don't open

[56:26] your hearts, it's costing you more.

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In his 1986 Omega Institute talk, Ram Dass argues that service is not only a list of activities like cooking or caregiving. He says every single act between human beings has the capacity to help, serve, or liberate, and that once you see this, service becomes what you are rather than something you choose to do.
He tells the story of his guru, Maharaj, who asked a young woman struggling with a fickle boyfriend, "Don't you realize your only friend is God?" The point is that human relationships are valuable but unreliable as a foundation, while the deeper friend does not leave.
According to Ram Dass, Ramana Maharshi taught that "God, guru, and self are one and the same thing." Ram Dass explains the guru as a doorway you look through, not an endpoint in itself.
He means that meditation, devotional songs, gurus, and idols are useful tools, but they become traps if you stop at them. He says you don't want to end up a good meditator; you want to end up free.
Ram Dass suggests connecting with people at the level of heart and soul, so that you can carry out a role such as parent, colleague, or caregiver while staying open to the person in front of you. He also treats difficult people as the material life has placed before you, an opportunity to awaken rather than a problem to escape.
No. He says he does not think of God as the stern, grandfatherly figure of the Old Testament. He describes God as the formless made manifest in all form, the law or harmony of things, and notes that the Hebrews wrote the name as G-D because no word can contain it.
The talk is available as episode 315 of the Here and Now podcast from the Be Here Now Network on YouTube. It was recorded at the Omega Institute in Rhinebeck, New York, on June 20, 1986.

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The Up-Level Trap: Why Oneness Still Means Doing the Dishes

In a 1978 talk, Ram Dass warns about the spiritual up-level game, the attachment to blissful states, and the difference between seeing onene…

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Why Spiritual Practice Starts With the Question Itself
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Why Spiritual Practice Starts With the Question Itself

Dakota Wint asks what spiritual practice really means and why the question itself is a practice. Covers the spiritual buffet, mantra, and se…

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