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[0:02] Hey [music] friends, welcome to this
[0:03] edition of the 10 laws podcast with East
[0:05] Forest. I am [music] said East Forest
[0:09] and this week we are celebrating the
[0:11] release of Held [music] 10. Held is Held
[0:15] 10 is the remaster reimagining rework of
[0:19] my album Held that was originally
[0:21] released in [music] 2016. So, it's been
[0:24] 10 years, which is kind of crazy to
[0:26] think about, and I wanted to get it out
[0:28] there again, but reinvent it a bit. So,
[0:31] there's a whole uh new vinyl pressing of
[0:34] the Held 10 album that's coming out soon
[0:36] that's limited edition, 500 copies. It's
[0:39] gold foil stamped and with little
[0:40] numbers on each one. Uh so, you can
[0:43] pre-order that now. And uh the album
[0:46] itself, I went back to the original
[0:48] sessions and and remixed it and then
[0:51] remastered it with Taylor Dupri and also
[0:54] put on some bides from the original
[0:57] sessions. Um remastered those as well
[1:00] and found a few new ones that were
[1:02] unearthed that I I hadn't included at
[1:04] all. So all that will be part of the
[1:06] digital release and a few of those bides
[1:08] are on the vinyl the vinyl as well. Um,
[1:11] I did want to let you know that the
[1:14] Doorway tour, so that's kind of related
[1:17] to Held because there's a there's a song
[1:18] on the Held album called Doorway, that's
[1:21] coming to Europe in November and in
[1:24] February. So, I'm going to be in Lisbon,
[1:27] in Munich, and in Warsaw really soon in
[1:31] November. So, thanks for getting your
[1:32] tickets. And tickets are also on sale
[1:34] for all of the February
[1:36] European dates. And I'm looking forward
[1:39] to to coming back and playing some of
[1:42] these songs and uh in addition to
[1:45] reinventing a lot of the classic songs
[1:47] and all the special things we can do
[1:49] when we we come together.
[1:52] So I want to tell you some stories from
[1:57] you know from this moment in time and
[2:00] you what what it was like making this
[2:02] record and why I'm I'm re-releasing it.
[2:04] And there's a really special, really
[2:06] special synchronicity that happened over
[2:11] almost 10 years, which has just been
[2:13] blowing my mind. And I wanted to honor
[2:15] it by bringing this album back to you.
[2:18] But you wouldn't know this story unless
[2:20] I told it to you. So I was going to do
[2:23] that for you. Now,
[2:25] um, it starts with imagining in 2016.
[2:28] Can we take ourselves back to 2016? For
[2:32] myself, I was living in Portland, Oregon
[2:34] at the time, and it was uh a different a
[2:38] different lifetime it feels like. You
[2:40] know, now I'm in Boisee, Idaho with
[2:42] Rada, and right now I'm here in Utah in
[2:45] my uh off-grid home. This is the
[2:47] off-grid studio, solar powered, coming
[2:50] to you down here. But at the time, I was
[2:52] living in Portland, and 2016 was a tough
[2:56] time. I I had been with my previous
[2:58] partner Karina for you know probably at
[3:02] that point almost 15 years and we were
[3:05] you know looking back I know what was
[3:07] going on but we were going through a
[3:09] divorce and going through that sort of
[3:12] breakdown. We we met when we were really
[3:14] young. I was 23, she was probably 21 and
[3:19] um almost 15 years had passed. And
[3:22] without going into the whole story of
[3:23] course of like what happens in that sort
[3:25] of change and breakdown and transition
[3:27] in a relationship, it's you know it's
[3:29] profound thing. It's a big deal. It
[3:33] affects all aspects of your life. And
[3:36] in that time like I
[3:39] for some reason had it in my head that I
[3:41] wanted to get a piano. I didn't have a
[3:43] piano, like a real piano, an acoustic
[3:45] piano. And a piano is sort of like some
[3:49] people think of it as like this big dead
[3:50] weight because once you buy one, it's
[3:52] this heavy thing that's difficult to
[3:54] move, let alone tune. And it's a like a
[3:57] ball and chain around you, you know,
[3:59] once you have one because you got to
[4:00] figure out what to do with it.
[4:02] In some ways, even though I sensed my
[4:04] life was in coming to a transition,
[4:08] uh maybe there's a part of me that knew
[4:11] like, are you still going to be living
[4:12] here? And you know, it didn't maybe make
[4:14] sense to acquire new objects like a
[4:16] piano, but a part of me really felt like
[4:19] I wanted to or needed to.
[4:22] And so I started looking for upright
[4:24] pianos. Um, I had been inspired at that
[4:27] time by some other artists and musicians
[4:30] who were, you know, piano piano albums
[4:33] and piano recordings were kind of going
[4:35] through a moment at that time. There was
[4:36] a lot of neocclassical, modern classical
[4:39] piano stuff happening.
[4:41] So, I started looking around. I started
[4:43] going to like piano stores and I I
[4:45] quickly realized that there, you know,
[4:47] the different kinds of pianos that are
[4:48] out there. There's a lot of uprights,
[4:50] right? a lot of pretty crappy ones that
[4:52] are used or almost free, but I wanted
[4:54] something that sounded pretty good. And
[4:56] I found this brand of piano called
[4:58] Charles Walter that I I didn't know
[5:01] previously, but Charles Walter pianos
[5:02] are still made in the United States, I
[5:05] believe, in the Midwest. Uh it's a
[5:07] family business and they're just sort of
[5:09] considered like professional uprights,
[5:11] you know, just they're they're stronger,
[5:14] bigger pin block, a little longer uh you
[5:18] know, soundboard, just really well made.
[5:21] And they're about my price range, new,
[5:24] you know, you don't see a lot of them on
[5:26] the used market because they're
[5:28] expensive compared to other uprightes.
[5:30] And if you're going to start spending
[5:31] more money, most people are like they're
[5:32] going to get a baby grand or something
[5:34] like that. So it doesn't make a lot of
[5:35] people don't prioritize when they're
[5:37] getting an upright like a really fine
[5:39] instrument or a great sound. They're
[5:41] probably thinking like they want
[5:43] something economical
[5:45] or that can like their their their kid
[5:47] can can learn piano on that kind of
[5:48] thing. So I was looking for pianos and I
[5:52] started looking on Craigslist. That was
[5:54] a thing at the time before Facebook
[5:56] Marketplace.
[5:58] Uh and I was looking for a Charles
[6:00] Walter and I couldn't really find one.
[6:02] Um, but eventually one did pop up and it
[6:06] was in Portland. So, I thought this was
[6:08] like a sign from God. I was like, I got
[6:10] to have I got to check out this piano.
[6:12] And I wrote the guy, but he wouldn't
[6:15] write me back. So, I just I kept
[6:17] hammering him, but he he wouldn't write
[6:19] me back. So, I kept the search on and I
[6:22] found some other used ones that I kind
[6:23] of liked, but not really. And
[6:25] eventually, I actually settled on one. I
[6:26] was like, I think I'll buy this one. And
[6:29] it was like the night before I was going
[6:30] to go buy this other piano from this
[6:32] used piano store. And the guy finally
[6:34] wrote me back about this Charles Walter
[6:36] piano and I said, "Can I come tomorrow
[6:37] morning, take a look at it, I met him in
[6:40] the morning at a storage locker and he
[6:42] opens up this storage locker and like
[6:43] the only thing in it is the piano just
[6:45] sitting there in the middle." And it was
[6:47] out of tune and it was cold, but I just
[6:49] decided to go for it. I was like, I'll
[6:51] take it. I got a great price. I bought
[6:52] the piano, had it moved to my house, had
[6:55] it tuned and there it was. this this
[6:58] Charles Walter piano in my house
[7:01] and I wanted to record uh but I didn't
[7:04] know I'd never recorded a piano before
[7:07] and so I uh I put I think I put like
[7:10] four mics on it, two close mics, small
[7:13] condensers on the side, maybe a large
[7:15] condenser down below. I took the the
[7:19] wood off on the soundboard and another
[7:21] large condenser in the middle. I had an
[7:23] old Apogee ensemble interface. I just
[7:27] use those preamps and it has good
[7:29] converters and that's what I recorded
[7:31] on. Put headphones on and it was in my
[7:34] living room
[7:35] and I think the music I really needed to
[7:37] record at that time was something that
[7:41] like I was all this stuff was going on
[7:43] in my life and it was felt like a lot of
[7:45] change and was stressful and it felt in
[7:48] somewhat like immature and I don't even
[7:50] want to say that with any judgment like
[7:52] it just felt immature to me. this I was
[7:54] coming into a kind of maturity that I
[7:56] didn't even know yet. And I needed to
[7:58] feel held like I needed to feel
[8:03] held by something inside like a kind of
[8:06] strength or a sort of tenderness. And I
[8:08] didn't quite know what that was. But
[8:12] the way I would enter into that
[8:14] musically was to play music that was
[8:16] very quiet and played tenderly and
[8:19] quietly but amplified enough that in my
[8:22] headphones like I could hear all the
[8:24] details of the subtlety of those
[8:29] depressions of the keys and the tones.
[8:32] So played quietly but brought right up
[8:35] to you. So it felt very intimate. You
[8:37] know the microphones are right in the
[8:39] piano.
[8:40] And I started exploring layering
[8:42] different sounds with the piano, like
[8:45] creating little beds and then playing
[8:46] over that and just doing different
[8:48] experimentations. And all the time it
[8:51] became almost like this little
[8:52] meditative practice for me. I um you
[8:56] know would sit down once a day in the
[8:58] late morning and record a few ideas like
[9:01] I'd come little improvisations
[9:03] and then develop them out on the spot
[9:05] and just record them. And the whole time
[9:08] I was recording, my dog was there. I had
[9:10] a my first dog, Kaa.
[9:13] Kaa was a lab mix. I mean, one of the we
[9:16] did one of those like Costco,
[9:18] you know, $30 genetic tests, which you
[9:20] never know if they're true, but they
[9:22] told us she was a blend of lab and
[9:24] German Shepherd and Korean Dogo. No,
[9:27] Jindo and Dogo. You know, she was a mut.
[9:31] We got her when she was like six months
[9:32] old and it was my first dog. And and
[9:36] Kaia was a was a tough dog, like a
[9:38] strong, very alpha,
[9:41] a strong willed dog. I always thought
[9:43] when she was a puppy, I was like, well,
[9:44] eventually she'll grow out of this. And
[9:45] you know, she never did. She never did.
[9:48] She was always a strong dominant energy,
[9:51] but I loved her so much. And she loved
[9:53] me so much. She was a real lover, too.
[9:56] And
[9:57] she [clears throat] so she was hanging
[10:00] out with me all the times when I was
[10:01] recording. And she always liked the
[10:03] music. anytime I'd start playing
[10:05] especially simple melodies and piano
[10:07] stuff, she'd just fall asleep. Boom.
[10:10] And but like dogs do, they get up and
[10:13] walk around or they they scratch their
[10:16] collar or something. So, she was
[10:17] inevitably getting into the recordings,
[10:19] which I I found challenging and
[10:21] annoying, but it just happened. You
[10:23] know, I I had to have her around. And
[10:26] the house was also really old. It's like
[10:28] almost a hundred years old. This it was
[10:30] the first house I ever had, too. It was
[10:32] just like this little fixer upper. They
[10:34] did a lot of work on the house, but it
[10:36] the floors were really creaky. Like if
[10:38] you moved even a little bit on the piano
[10:40] bench, it was like,
[10:42] so you hear that in the recordings. Um,
[10:44] of course, you hear the room I was in,
[10:46] you sometimes hear the birds outside or
[10:48] if a truck went down the street. We were
[10:50] in northeast Portland. And so all these
[10:53] environmental sounds, I tried to reduce
[10:54] them. I I would unplug the refrigerator
[10:56] when I recorded, you know, because that
[10:58] was the kitchen was not obviously far
[11:00] away at all.
[11:02] and Kaa's in there. So, I'd play these
[11:05] songs and it almost became like she was
[11:06] my only audience. And I I was kind of
[11:08] playing these songs for Ka and I'd kind
[11:10] of notice what songs soothed her, what
[11:13] songs put her to sleep, what melodies
[11:15] were really working. And she became the
[11:18] muse kind of or certainly like my my
[11:22] co-pilot, my little band member who is
[11:24] like the producer just by their vibe.
[11:27] And so I I recorded a bunch of songs in
[11:31] 2016
[11:32] and I was really enjoying it and they're
[11:35] all instrumental and I wanted to have as
[11:37] many limitations as possible. Like it's
[11:39] it's just the piano and there's nothing
[11:42] else I'm going to use. Like I'm not
[11:43] going to use my voice. I'm not going to
[11:45] use uh percussion. I'm not going to use
[11:47] any synthesizers. Like just what can I
[11:49] do with the piano to make songs? I can
[11:52] layer it. I can play it solo. so I can
[11:54] be experimental with what I'm doing. But
[11:58] I thought if I almost like had fewer
[12:00] colors to paint with
[12:03] that would help the creative process.
[12:04] And I I think it really did. And I found
[12:07] that to be a lesson later in life is
[12:10] like when you have fewer choices, you
[12:12] know, when you limit the colors that you
[12:13] can paint with only a few different
[12:15] crayons you can use, I think better art
[12:18] comes out of that.
[12:20] And so I
[12:22] I had these songs and I remember when I
[12:24] started to have what looked like an
[12:26] album put together. Uh I I did feel a
[12:29] little self-conscious about it because I
[12:31] I hadn't done this before. I'm like, are
[12:32] they too simple? Are they too
[12:34] minimalist? Is it too spacious? Uh and
[12:37] so a couple songs you you have to always
[12:39] I always have an idea like you got to
[12:40] serve the song. And that meant like just
[12:45] listening like what does it what does it
[12:46] need or want? and I could be taking
[12:48] things away or adding things in. And a
[12:50] couple songs I felt like wanted strings
[12:53] and I I decided to have that element.
[12:56] And there were two players I was working
[12:58] with in Portland off and on. Kylen King,
[13:00] we worked a lot together. And Jesse
[13:02] Deweiler played cello. And Kylen played
[13:04] viola and violin.
[13:07] And both really talented. And so I I
[13:10] wrote out some charts. Also the first
[13:12] time I had ever written out string
[13:14] charts or any charts, I used a muse
[13:17] score and then had to like notate them
[13:19] into muse scores. It was a time
[13:21] consuming process and then brought them
[13:23] over and um track them I think one at a
[13:27] time on some of the songs and on some of
[13:29] them Kylen played violin vi viola and
[13:32] violin. So we had like a a trio three
[13:35] parts
[13:37] and and that was it. It was just piano
[13:39] and some strings, mostly piano. And it
[13:43] was my little medicine at the time, like
[13:45] these songs and this process was my
[13:47] medicine of making music that soothed
[13:50] me. And that's why, you know, that the
[13:52] title wasn't there at first, but the
[13:54] title later became held because that's
[13:56] how it made me feel. It made me feel
[13:59] held like inside, inside the sound,
[14:03] inside something really intimate and
[14:05] special that was outside of all the
[14:06] chaos of the external things happening
[14:08] in the world. And that's what I needed
[14:10] then. And you know, revisiting the album
[14:13] 10 years later, that's what I need now.
[14:16] And so it was a pretty wild experience
[14:18] uh coming back to the album. But I'll
[14:20] get back to that. I want to finish up
[14:21] this synchronicity that continued to
[14:24] happen, this big moment.
[14:27] so many years. I I released the album
[14:29] and originally it was put out on a
[14:31] little label called 1631 Recordings and
[14:33] then uh I got the album back and it just
[14:36] it's been out and I think the first song
[14:38] opening made some rounds and it's always
[14:42] been an album that I liked and we
[14:44] pressed a vinyl but only like 500 copies
[14:46] and this beautiful white vinyl
[14:50] and and then that sold out and that's
[14:52] kind of that's how it was left and I
[14:55] want to talk about the The image on the
[14:58] uh well actually this fits in the image
[15:01] on the album, the held album, the
[15:04] original artwork for the vinyl and the
[15:06] digital. It looks it's like a black and
[15:08] white. What it is is a cave opening and
[15:11] I went to Hawaii to Kawaii with uh my
[15:14] partner at the time, Karina. And this is
[15:17] when we were going through that same
[15:18] transition out of our relationship.
[15:22] Dynamic time. And I wanted to go on this
[15:25] hike called the Kowalao Trail on Kauaii,
[15:28] which is a really difficult 11mi trek
[15:32] in, but very dangerous, too. There's
[15:34] there's there's one part that's called
[15:35] Climbers's ledge, I think, where you go
[15:39] around this bend where the the trail is
[15:41] really slippery and sketchy and not
[15:43] exactly level and it's just a thousand
[15:45] foot cliff on either side of you. So,
[15:47] there's nothing to hold on to. And hence
[15:49] the name, you know, you sort of crawl or
[15:52] crawler's ledge. you crawl through it.
[15:54] There are many there are a couple
[15:55] sections like that where unfortunately
[15:57] people have died on it. Like there's a a
[15:59] little sign at the beginning of the hike
[16:01] with like hash marks of people who who
[16:03] died on a hike. It was over 80. So it
[16:06] was definitely a this I don't know if
[16:08] I'd do this now, but at the time I was
[16:10] like I think it's worth it because you
[16:11] get to this beach that you could really
[16:12] only get to by hiking to it.
[16:16] and it's very secluded and special and
[16:18] you can you can camp out there and
[16:19] there's fresh fruit and waterfalls and
[16:22] it's what I wanted to do. So, we did it.
[16:25] Karina's game. It was a hard hike. It
[16:28] was super scary, but we got out there
[16:30] and when we were there, uh there was
[16:33] this big freshwater
[16:35] and then adjacent to that was this cave
[16:37] and there was a freshwater cave and
[16:39] there was a lake in the cave. It maybe
[16:41] went back 100 to 200 feet. So there's
[16:44] water in it and the water is being fed
[16:46] by dripping uh stelacttites.
[16:50] They're just putting like so it's fresh
[16:51] water seeping through the rocks. I swam
[16:54] to the back of the cave lake and I had
[16:57] one of those old, you know, back in the
[16:59] day before iPhones, we had little
[17:00] digital cameras and I had the digital
[17:02] camera in a ziplockc baggie holding it
[17:04] over my head above the water as I swam
[17:06] back and in the back there was this
[17:08] little black sand beach and I sat on the
[17:13] beach and I turned around and that I
[17:15] took a picture of the cave looking at
[17:18] that opening and in the opening could
[17:20] see the beach and the horizon and a
[17:22] little bit the water and the sky
[17:26] and then the the cave itself was just
[17:27] black because of the exposure. And
[17:29] something about that image and that time
[17:31] period, it just felt like a light at the
[17:33] end of the tunnel or um
[17:37] it felt like a representation of the
[17:39] sound and the feeling like the ocean and
[17:42] the sky like a new horizon or a
[17:44] beginning emerging out of this cave like
[17:47] something you don't know yet that is
[17:49] being born. or you're inside this
[17:51] womblike thing of the earth and out
[17:54] there is another world and you don't
[17:56] know what that world is yet but it's
[17:58] new. So like I I didn't know that at the
[18:01] time but it felt like something right at
[18:02] the time. So I took that picture and
[18:04] that ended up being the the artwork. I
[18:06] just made it black and white and
[18:07] inverted the colors. And that's why the
[18:10] artwork for Held 10, this anniversary
[18:13] remaster is the same photo but really
[18:15] the original photo. So, I put the color
[18:18] back in and inverted it back to how it
[18:20] was naturally. So, you can see the beach
[18:22] and the ocean and and that's what that
[18:24] image is. It's the cave at Kowala uh
[18:27] beach.
[18:29] So, fast forwarding uh maybe eight years
[18:32] later or something, seven or eight, um
[18:35] we did get divorced and I entered a new
[18:38] relationship with Rada and and of course
[18:40] we're together and it's a whole new
[18:42] life. It feels like a different person,
[18:44] but I, you know, hopefully I I know I I
[18:47] know I've grown tremendously since then.
[18:50] And sometimes the only way you can grow
[18:53] is to go through a certain kind of fire,
[18:56] right? Like you have maybe a part of you
[18:59] has regrets about choices you've made,
[19:00] but there's a part of you that also
[19:02] clearly recognizes that you would you
[19:04] wouldn't be who you are and where you
[19:06] are without that path.
[19:10] It's there's just this kind of beautiful
[19:12] tragic
[19:14] um inevitability to it, a destiny and
[19:17] choice that's mixed together. And
[19:20] so I recognized that uh you know it was
[19:24] like a soul path for both of us. And
[19:28] so Karina had Kaya when we when we
[19:31] separated. Ka stayed with Karina and we
[19:34] would share the dog. I was living in
[19:36] Boisee, Idaho, so from Portland. It's
[19:39] far, but not too far. And we'd meet up
[19:41] and and pass the dog off. And I I had
[19:43] the dog less, but I would still get to
[19:45] see Ka. But as Kaia got older, it was a
[19:49] little harder for her to do those moves.
[19:52] And Kaia lived a long time. You know,
[19:54] she was getting to be about 14, I
[19:57] believe. And then
[19:59] she started to to kind of fall apart,
[20:02] you know, physically. And it was really
[20:03] scary and sad. And eventually it got to
[20:06] the point where um she might have had
[20:09] probably some kind of tumor inside her
[20:11] like nasal cavity or something. It was
[20:13] causing these nose bleeds and it was
[20:15] painful and she wasn't breathing right
[20:17] and hacking and we had to make that that
[20:20] horrible decision about um she was
[20:23] really suffering and do we put her down,
[20:27] you know, do we help her uh end her life
[20:30] gracefully as opposed to all this
[20:32] stress? And it was a hard decision for
[20:34] me and and Karine, I'm sure, but we had
[20:38] to make that decision. And we did a
[20:40] process where we brought a a nurse that
[20:44] came to your house to do the process. So
[20:46] because Kaio really hated going to the
[20:48] vet. It was really we didn't want it to
[20:49] be more stressful for her.
[20:52] And I went to Portland. It was all this
[20:54] whole rushed process cuz you know these
[20:56] aren't things you really plan. It just
[20:58] happened one week and we had to it's
[20:59] like, you know, you decide this on a
[21:01] Monday and it's happening on Wednesday
[21:03] and I flew over and I'm in Portland and
[21:05] I'm back in the neighborhood where I
[21:06] used to live and so all of that's kind
[21:09] of like there's a lot coming up and it
[21:11] was summertime
[21:12] and we knew we had this date on
[21:14] Wednesday to do this and Wednesday came
[21:18] and
[21:22] the the nurse person came in and I Kai
[21:24] could sense something and she was
[21:26] nervous And uh I didn't really like that
[21:30] feeling. And then they eventually give
[21:32] her kind of a shot to calm her down.
[21:35] And we set up this little altar and a
[21:37] blanket. And Ka's lying on the the
[21:41] blanket. And Karina's there and I am
[21:43] there. And Karina's husband now is there
[21:46] and uh the nurse. So the four of us and
[21:50] Rada was able to join us but not till
[21:51] the day after.
[21:55] And I wanted to put on music because
[22:00] I thought that would soo Ka, you know,
[22:01] she and I put on the held album because
[22:04] Kaia was there and I knew it soothed
[22:06] her. And so I just put it on at the
[22:08] beginning of the album. We had a a
[22:09] Bluetooth speaker like near her ears.
[22:11] She couldn't hear very well anymore, but
[22:13] she could still hear a bit.
[22:15] And I'm playing the album and we're
[22:17] going through this process and as the
[22:19] album's playing, you know, I'm crying.
[22:21] Everybody's crying. We have our hands on
[22:23] Kaia
[22:26] and they they they put in the nurse put
[22:28] in that injection, you know, where it
[22:30] eventually will slow her it'll stop her
[22:32] heart and slow her breathing where she
[22:34] actually will die.
[22:36] And uh
[22:38] my hand is on Kaia's heart and her
[22:42] breathing and feeling that warmth and
[22:44] feeling her energy
[22:47] and I'm just losing it and the music's
[22:51] playing.
[22:53] And right when Ka's heart stopped,
[22:57] it was it was just the timing of it was
[22:59] this synchronicity. It was the end of
[23:01] the album.
[23:03] And the end of the album is a song
[23:05] called Endings.
[23:09] And it ends with the piano just merging
[23:13] into this infinite reverb, like just as
[23:15] if it's dissipating into space, into the
[23:17] ether.
[23:19] And right at that moment is when Kaia's
[23:22] heart stopped.
[23:26] Just that alignment and timing like this
[23:27] is an album that you can hear Kaia in
[23:30] that she largely inspired and then I
[23:32] played it to help her. It became like
[23:34] this tool to help her with her own
[23:36] passing and a tool to help me and and
[23:39] Karina and every you know her husband,
[23:41] everyone in the room to to process this
[23:44] moment. The way music can do this. But
[23:47] the way it aligned like that was so
[23:49] beautiful. And right in that moment, I
[23:51] could feel
[23:53] the consciousness of Kaia the dog like
[23:56] moving from the body into the room
[24:00] and just becoming like a soul space. And
[24:02] it was really beautiful and powerful.
[24:07] And and for that to happen
[24:12] through the music, through the held
[24:14] music,
[24:16] it it was just so beautiful. It
[24:20] so it obviously I feel it now uh saying
[24:23] it. And so a year later or so or
[24:26] whenever until now when it became I
[24:28] noticed it was the 10th anniversary of
[24:30] the held album being released. I wanted
[24:32] to elevate it and I wanted to honor it
[24:34] and I wanted to revisit it. I wanted to
[24:37] get back into the music and into those
[24:39] songs for myself kind of to to almost
[24:43] like not let the process go
[24:47] or to get into it deeper to get more
[24:50] richness out of it. And so I opened up
[24:52] those sessions from when I was in
[24:55] Portland and there they were on my
[24:58] screen, the recordings and looking at
[25:00] how I would, you know, even just mix it
[25:02] and how it's different from now. 10
[25:04] years have passed of how I approach
[25:06] music and yet how some things hadn't
[25:08] changed. And I took those mixes and put
[25:12] them through all my analog gear, kind of
[25:14] made new premasters. So that was the
[25:16] first step of the process.
[25:18] and recognizing that, you know, they
[25:20] weren't drastically different than the
[25:22] decisions I had made, you know, when I
[25:24] abedded it to 10 years ago to the to the
[25:27] present, like how are my mixes?
[25:31] There was some similarities there, which
[25:33] I guess was good. Um, but then I had
[25:35] Taylor Depri, who mastered it
[25:37] originally, remaster these new
[25:39] premasters, and I wanted Taylor to do it
[25:41] because there's a continuity of process
[25:44] there and his sensitivity to this kind
[25:47] of work. and we've developed a
[25:49] relationship of his mastering a lot of
[25:52] my um ceremony work and piano work over
[25:56] these 10 years. He did the whole music
[25:58] for mushrooms album, the Lovingly album,
[26:00] which you know really complex mastering
[26:02] projects, albums that large that he was
[26:04] always game to do and he did the Hell
[26:07] album. So he did Held 10 and remastered
[26:09] it.
[26:11] And I always find mastery to be a bit of
[26:13] a difficult process because you know
[26:14] someone else is doing it and you're
[26:15] trying to communicate through just
[26:16] words, how to change things by using
[26:20] words that are metaphors like, you know,
[26:22] warmer or closer or less power,
[26:26] whatever, and sometimes technical and
[26:31] you're not there when they're doing it.
[26:32] But but we did it. And so we had this
[26:34] new master and then we wanted a whole
[26:37] new vinyl because I wanted to bring it
[26:38] back on vinyl. We use this, we made a
[26:40] new vinyl master, did updated the
[26:43] artwork and so forth and and got that
[26:46] going as well, just independently
[26:49] uh just through my own record label,
[26:51] Aquillow Records. So, not even not, you
[26:53] know, we did it ourselves. We're going
[26:55] to house it and ship it out to
[26:56] ourselves.
[26:58] And that brings us up to uh today. And I
[27:03] also included some B bides. Like I went
[27:05] back to those sessions and thought like,
[27:06] well, what else was on the cutting room
[27:08] floor? And we had a few bsides that I
[27:10] had released on the held Kindred. We did
[27:12] this like sister release of remixes and
[27:14] bides also back then. I I remixed and
[27:18] remastered those too. And I found a few
[27:20] more bsides that didn't make it. And I I
[27:23] brought those have never been heard
[27:24] before and we brought those up too. So
[27:27] the digital version of held 10 includes
[27:29] all of those bides plus the original 10
[27:31] tracks and the vinyl because of the
[27:34] limitations of vinyl. It has the
[27:36] original tell 10 tracks uh reworked and
[27:39] mastered plus four of the bides.
[27:45] So
[27:50] yeah, it'll be interesting
[27:52] playing this out live to some I won't
[27:54] necessarily play it front to back, but
[27:56] we're definitely going to play some
[27:57] songs and that's a very living process
[27:59] for me at the moment. Then I want to try
[28:01] doing some of that solo on this doorway
[28:04] tour coming up in Europe. And then I'm
[28:06] hoping to do a tour in the United States
[28:08] in 2027 with some string players where
[28:12] we can go even deeper. And that's a
[28:14] definite expansion for me. I mean, I
[28:15] guess I did that 10 years ago, but this
[28:17] would be in a much bigger way reinvent
[28:20] and reook at the string arrangements for
[28:22] live and maybe bringing some of that
[28:24] into some of the other East Forest
[28:26] tracks. Um, so I'm excited.
[28:30] I'm excited to share Held 10 with you.
[28:34] The first single that I'm putting out is
[28:36] the first song on the album called
[28:38] Opening. And this is the 2026 remaster.
[28:42] And the second single, uh, I believe
[28:44] it's on October 28th, closer to
[28:46] Halloween, is the song Held, which is
[28:49] one of my favorites on the record. And
[28:51] that also, of course, got remastered.
[28:54] and and then the whole album's on
[28:57] November 11th, 2026, plus all those
[29:00] other bides. Um on my Patreon, I did
[29:03] share the whole album. Now, if you want
[29:05] to check it out, you can get an advanced
[29:07] listen. You can listen to the whole
[29:09] thing on um a secret, uh Band Camp link.
[29:14] And uh until then uh you know I'll share
[29:19] some more stories on social media
[29:21] probably where I can show you like I
[29:23] made some videos 10 years ago about the
[29:25] piano and the process and um I'd love to
[29:28] hear what you think and I'd love to hear
[29:30] what the album has meant for you over
[29:32] the years like you know how is um like h
[29:37] how Held found you or how that process
[29:40] maybe that album if it did how it's
[29:43] worked in your life or if there's any
[29:45] songs or anything or if you had the
[29:47] original vinyl, you know, if you have
[29:49] any stories about listening to that. I
[29:50] have a feeling that the music has woven
[29:53] in your life in a way like it woven mine
[29:56] with Ka.
[29:57] Uh that I'd love to hear those stories
[30:00] cuz I don't feel responsible for that. I
[30:02] feel like the music is an entity itself
[30:05] that like when you make a record, it's
[30:06] like a little boat you build and then
[30:08] you let it off to the sea and it's out
[30:11] there doing its thing and floating
[30:12] around and going through storms and calm
[30:14] seas and meeting people and different
[30:17] shores and I want to hear the stories.
[30:20] I'm like, "Oh, where's the boat been?"
[30:22] It's like a proud little parent. So, we
[30:24] want to hear from you about what have
[30:26] your experiences been with the album
[30:29] held. And I want to dedicate this album
[30:31] to Ka because she was my first dog and
[30:35] one of my greatest teachers. Dogs are
[30:37] these beautiful mirrors to ourselves.
[30:40] And she showed me a lot a lot taught me
[30:43] a lot about myself and how I can bring
[30:46] compassion and strength and what does it
[30:48] all mean and the rhythms of life that
[30:51] were good for her that I really needed
[30:53] myself too. The regularity and how we're
[30:55] animals too. and
[30:58] just powerful powerful teacher. So,
[31:01] thank you, Ka. And um
[31:05] thank you for helping me make this
[31:06] record and
[31:09] yeah, we want to [music] dedicate this
[31:11] this to you. So, thank you so much for
[31:14] listening and I look forward to seeing
[31:16] you on [music] the road in Europe and
[31:18] thanks for letting us know what you
[31:19] think of the new record. Peace and
[31:21] blessings.
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