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[0:00] Welcome.
[0:02] Welcome, welcome. My name is Elena
[0:03] Brower. I am having the great honor
[0:06] today of hosting one of my dearest
[0:07] friends, Diego Perez, who has just
[0:10] written a new book.
[0:11] I believe it is his best. It's called
[0:13] Journey The Year That Changes
[0:16] Everything.
[0:17] I have a very personal story to share,
[0:19] but first I want to welcome you to this
[0:22] live. Diego, thank you so much for your
[0:24] time.
[0:25] >> Yeah, I'm so happy to be here and
[0:28] anytime the two of us get to spend a
[0:30] moment together, I like deeply look
[0:32] forward to it. So yeah, happy happy we
[0:35] get to do it with the with our Substack
[0:37] homies.
[0:37] >> Yes. I I need to start by thanking you
[0:42] for this book. This is a very If you're
[0:44] watching or listening into the future,
[0:47] this is a very unique opportunity to
[0:50] share
[0:52] observations,
[0:54] perceptions from directly from the field
[0:57] of practice.
[0:58] Diego has had a very deep practice for
[1:01] well over a decade, 15 years or so. And
[1:04] this book is a reflection of this
[1:08] practice. I'm going to start by saying
[1:10] that I have been practicing Vipassana
[1:14] since August of this year, a mere few
[1:17] months.
[1:18] After going to my first 10-day course
[1:20] with Diego, I have kept up my practice
[1:24] of an hour in the morning and an hour
[1:26] mostly in the evenings. Sometimes I get
[1:29] really tired, but here's the best part.
[1:32] Before we jump into the book,
[1:34] now when I sit at night before bed,
[1:36] guess who also is sitting with me over
[1:38] my shoulder on the bed.
[1:40] >> Who?
[1:41] >> James.
[1:42] >> Wow.
[1:44] Oh, that's so nice.
[1:46] >> Who would always sleep.
[1:47] Now he sits.
[1:49] He sits. It's contagious.
[1:52] >> And he's going to do a 10-day retreat
[1:54] soon, right?
[1:54] >> Correct.
[1:56] >> Yeah.
[1:56] >> Correct.
[1:57] >> Oh, that's that's that's so exciting.
[1:59] >> It's so exciting.
[2:00] >> But this book is very important for our
[2:03] viewer. 365 daily reflections for you to
[2:06] build self-awareness, inner peace.
[2:09] I have a lot of notes and I want to
[2:11] start with the main message which I have
[2:13] ascertained and you have stated several
[2:15] times. The main message is to slow down
[2:18] and focus.
[2:19] >> Mm.
[2:19] >> Live your life.
[2:22] >> Yeah, that's definitely definitely the
[2:23] message and I think um I when I wrote
[2:26] the book I saw that message coming up
[2:28] over and over again how
[2:30] we are so inundated by information.
[2:34] Everyone is so busy. I haven't really
[2:35] met someone who's not busy. It's been a
[2:37] long time.
[2:39] Um like everyone is just sort of
[2:41] jam-packed and
[2:42] >> It's true.
[2:42] >> I think busyness um
[2:45] really makes it so that it's hard to not
[2:48] be impulsive and impulsiveness also just
[2:53] creates a mess. Uh so I find that
[2:56] slowing down and actually like getting
[2:59] to know your inner world and realizing
[3:01] okay, I feel the impulsiveness coming
[3:03] on. I'm going to pause.
[3:06] I'm going to slow down and I'm going to
[3:08] reflect and I'm going to figure out how
[3:11] can I take a good look at the options in
[3:13] front of me and choose something
[3:15] skillful. I think that that is like the
[3:17] arc of the book because through that
[3:19] process you'll develop self-awareness,
[3:21] you'll develop inner peace, you'll make
[3:23] better actions that will just like
[3:26] create a much more harmonious life for
[3:27] yourself.
[3:28] >> Yeah.
[3:29] In this book, Diego, you basically walk
[3:32] us through the
[3:35] [clears throat] understanding of
[3:36] impermanence through the four elements
[3:38] of fire, air, earth, water, and then
[3:42] earth. We close on earth.
[3:45] I would love for you to share with our
[3:47] viewer exactly what your intention was
[3:51] for walking through [clears throat] the
[3:52] elements. I feel like it's a lot deeper
[3:54] than I'm even able to perceive at this
[3:56] early stage in my practice of a pasana,
[3:59] but I would love to hear from you what
[4:01] your understanding intention was.
[4:04] >> So,
[4:05] I I find the elements to be so
[4:07] fascinating and it's just a common
[4:10] feature of being a human being. Like we
[4:12] are very familiar with these elements
[4:15] either outside of us or inside of us. We
[4:17] can like, you know, literally feel them.
[4:19] Uh you can feel the fire in the
[4:21] temperature of your body. You can feel
[4:22] the the earth and the heaviness of your
[4:25] body or the lightness of your body. Um
[4:27] you can feel air and movement and, you
[4:29] know, water uh is cohesion. It's like
[4:32] the binding element that's bringing
[4:34] everything together.
[4:35] And
[4:36] to me it's fascinating that even if you
[4:38] look at like ancient Chinese philosophy
[4:40] the elements are there. Ancient Buddhist
[4:42] teachings the elements are there. You go
[4:44] through Vedic teachings the elements are
[4:46] there. And you then you fast forward to
[4:48] now where you look at modern media. I
[4:51] just started watching Avatar Seven
[4:53] Havens and it's about the elements. And
[4:57] it's such an sweet show, but I wanted to
[5:00] you know, I've always been inspired by
[5:02] the elements in my writing and I've
[5:05] written a lot of poems that are sort of
[5:07] based on the elements, but I wanted this
[5:09] book
[5:11] to be an honest
[5:13] sort of realization that transformation
[5:15] one is possible, but it's not going to
[5:17] be fast. It's going to take time. It's
[5:19] going to take repeated actions. And you
[5:23] know, I was talking to Hoda the other
[5:25] day and she was asking
[5:27] you know, how the book works. And I was
[5:29] like, oh, it's not it's not time based.
[5:31] It's it's based on the elements. And she
[5:33] was And I'm like, cuz change can happen
[5:35] at any time, at any point in your life.
[5:37] So, it felt really valuable to just
[5:41] you know, let's see what this earth
[5:43] element can teach me about balance. What
[5:45] can um air teach me about adaptability?
[5:48] What can earth teach me about um yeah,
[5:51] about balance and nourishment and all
[5:53] that? So, it's a it's a nice way to to
[5:56] to do something a little different with
[5:57] this habit building.
[5:59] >> The fire is where you start and fire is
[6:01] the energy to move us forward. It's the
[6:03] energy of transformation. It's the way
[6:05] in which we gain this sort of momentum
[6:08] to make a change, as you say.
[6:10] It is never the wrong time to initiate a
[6:13] change in our lives, in our habit
[6:15] energies, in the ways in which we
[6:16] conduct ourselves in our relations.
[6:19] And I wonder if I could start by reading
[6:22] uh fire [clears throat] number six.
[6:26] >> Sure, please.
[6:26] >> Okay.
[6:28] Three simple yet overlooked rules about
[6:31] stress.
[6:33] Stress happens when you get too
[6:34] attached.
[6:36] Craving more control makes stress worse.
[6:41] Acceptance and letting go dissolve
[6:43] stress.
[6:45] And if you're watching us and you think,
[6:47] well, I know these things. Of course I
[6:48] know these things. Don't be ridiculous.
[6:50] This is not new information. Accept that
[6:52] it is because we forget from moment to
[6:55] moment that no feeling is final. We
[6:58] forget and we sort of grab onto this
[7:00] thing that we want to continue or this
[7:03] thing that we want to end or this pain
[7:05] that we have or this joy that we have
[7:08] and we can't get out of the cycle of
[7:10] wanting. And I would love for you to
[7:11] talk about stress as you define it in
[7:15] this book.
[7:16] >> Yeah.
[7:17] It's so it's so nice to hear you say
[7:19] that too because
[7:21] it's true. We all know what causes
[7:25] sorrow to us at the intellectual level,
[7:28] but we don't have it ingrained in us to
[7:32] fully embrace change and permanence
[7:36] on a, you know, moment-to-moment basis.
[7:39] So it's easy for us to forget that,
[7:42] right, when I fight change,
[7:44] I struggle. If I become too attached,
[7:46] yeah, I'm going to feel a lot of stress.
[7:48] And so it's one thing to know these
[7:50] things at an intellectual level and to
[7:52] read them
[7:53] um which can be quite inspiring, but the
[7:55] point of this is like let these moments
[7:59] of reflection inspire you to pay
[8:02] attention to your actions. So it's like,
[8:03] okay, notice where you're holding on.
[8:06] How are you holding on through the day?
[8:07] Okay, I see that I want things to happen
[8:10] in a very exact way. Where can I loosen
[8:12] up? How can I become more adaptable? And
[8:15] I tried to set up the book, you know, I
[8:16] learned a lot from from meditating, but
[8:19] I want
[8:20] the realization to be clear that we
[8:24] as human beings, we're composed of
[8:26] actions. Like what are we? We are the
[8:28] sum total of our actions. And when we
[8:32] start intentionally designing our
[8:34] actions, we are creating and recreating
[8:36] ourselves into new modes. And I think
[8:39] whether you meditate, whether you, you
[8:41] know, have a very serious yoga practice,
[8:43] whether you see a therapist, whatever it
[8:45] is, it still comes back down to your
[8:47] actions.
[8:48] What actions are you choosing and which
[8:49] actions are you repeating? And that's
[8:51] how you design yourself and your life.
[8:53] And I think
[8:55] takes time and that's okay. And but
[8:58] that's really where our power lies is
[9:00] how are how am I showing up in this
[9:01] moment and what actions am I choosing?
[9:04] >> You dedicated this book to those who
[9:06] have the courage to grow. And number
[9:08] three in Fire is the following.
[9:11] Never forget that your first home is
[9:13] your mind.
[9:14] So do your best to not clutter it with
[9:17] stress.
[9:18] That I believe if I was to sort of
[9:21] narrow it down to one pithy
[9:24] quote or page, that's the one that I
[9:27] particularly needed right now. That is
[9:29] what gives me the courage to grow is to
[9:32] stop cluttering my mind [clears throat]
[9:33] and knowing that it is my very first
[9:35] home and I have to take such good care
[9:37] of it. As good care as I take of my
[9:39] body, I must take care of my mind.
[9:42] >> I I it's so
[9:44] important that that one is like one
[9:48] people are like, what about your heart?
[9:49] What about your body? When I look at
[9:53] this system, I don't
[9:55] divide it too much into sections. Like
[9:57] to me
[9:59] mind is the totality of it all. Like in
[10:04] this monk, Lady Saita, he talked about
[10:08] the heart being the sort of the highest
[10:11] part of the mind.
[10:13] And but all I think of it all as like
[10:15] encompass into like this, you know, how
[10:18] is mind and matter coming together and
[10:20] there's mind
[10:21] happening in every atom of the body if
[10:23] you look at the sort of the Buddhist
[10:25] teaching.
[10:25] >> Yeah.
[10:26] >> So we have to ask ourselves like
[10:28] am I moving with ease or am I moving
[10:30] with tension? Cuz if you're sort of
[10:32] bundled up into tension, then you are
[10:36] having a very very cluttered home. You
[10:39] know, your your home is narrow. Your
[10:40] home is like you know, there's no
[10:43] flexibility to be able to see different
[10:45] options and I think we have to be really
[10:47] mindful and honest with ourselves where
[10:51] you know, the biggest question is like
[10:54] what stress am I causing myself?
[10:57] >> Mm.
[10:57] >> Like what do you have control over? You
[10:58] have control over your own actions.
[11:00] There's a lot that you don't have
[11:01] control over because so much is outside
[11:04] of your field of control, but then at
[11:06] the end of the day, your perception and
[11:08] your reaction are happening in your own
[11:09] mind and you have to be honest like how
[11:12] am I clinging? How am I holding? How am
[11:15] how how am I making this challenging
[11:16] moment even harder for myself?
[11:18] >> Mm.
[11:18] >> And then you know, you get some clear
[11:20] direction there.
[11:21] >> Number 26 in Fire.
[11:25] How to support your freedom. When you
[11:27] have self-worth, this is a big one. This
[11:30] is a source of stress for me for many
[11:32] years. When you have self-worth, you
[11:34] won't try to control how others perceive
[11:36] you.
[11:37] >> Mm.
[11:39] Yeah.
[11:40] >> Which will lead to inner peace. This has
[11:42] been a many multi-decade project in my
[11:46] body. And finally, 56 years old this
[11:50] year, I finally understand what you're
[11:52] saying.
[11:53] When I can't control how others perceive
[11:55] me, I can't even
[11:57] clutter my mind with the thought about
[12:00] it.
[12:01] >> Yeah.
[12:01] >> There is a deep peace in here finally.
[12:05] >> Yeah. That that one's like if you want
[12:07] to give yourself a beautiful gift this
[12:09] year, like give yourself the gift of not
[12:12] trying to sort of control how other
[12:15] people perceive you or even really
[12:18] worrying about it too much because
[12:21] you have to look back at history and
[12:23] like, man, there are people who hated
[12:26] the Buddha. There are people that hated
[12:28] Jesus. There are people that like you
[12:30] sort of look at these ideal sort of
[12:34] you know, archetypes in human history
[12:36] and
[12:37] you can be the most saintly, noble,
[12:40] enlightened person and still there are
[12:42] going to be people who
[12:44] won't understand you, who won't like it,
[12:47] who won't like who will just be
[12:49] committed to misunderstanding you. And
[12:51] I'm not saying like we're all there. No,
[12:52] we're all we're all highly imperfect
[12:54] people, but when you realize that
[12:56] everyone is when they see you, they're
[13:00] not getting a clear picture of you. They
[13:01] are seeing you through the lens of their
[13:04] emotional history. They are seeing you
[13:05] through the lens of the heaviest emotion
[13:08] that they feel in that moment. So it's
[13:10] very very hard to see someone clearly,
[13:13] to see someone without any projection.
[13:15] It's possible, but it requires mental
[13:18] training. So we have to be very mindful
[13:20] that like,
[13:21] you know, you can do your best out
[13:22] there, definitely be a kind person, be
[13:24] oriented towards compassion, do your
[13:26] best, but even then the haters will
[13:29] still hate.
[13:30] >> [laughter]
[13:30] >> This is the truth of life. And in our I
[13:33] picked that one specifically, number 26
[13:36] in A because in our world right now, we
[13:39] have both come up in this world, so much
[13:42] of the work of sharing our good work has
[13:46] to do with
[13:48] presenting it to others in a way that we
[13:49] get to see in real time their perception
[13:52] of us. So it's a very sticky wicket and
[13:55] I'm glad that you wrote about that
[13:57] because it's really changed the way that
[13:59] I see things in a profound
[14:00] >> Yeah.
[14:02] You know, even going going deeper into
[14:03] that too, Elena, like you know even
[14:05] before I did, right? Like you were on
[14:07] the scene as a as a a teacher for people
[14:10] in in New York City and
[14:12] and then as I started talking about
[14:14] these topics too, I would see, you know,
[14:18] even on the good end, like people sort
[14:19] of putting you on a pedestal or people
[14:21] being like, you know, thinking that I'm
[14:23] more than what I am, like I'm just
[14:25] another person on the journey with you.
[14:27] I'm walking the path with you. And and
[14:30] yeah, I've I've meditated a lot, but I
[14:31] don't make any claims to perfection. I
[14:33] don't make any claims to even
[14:35] enlightenment. I just am here on this
[14:37] path of freedom.
[14:39] But um I think it's really interesting
[14:41] how even when the perceptions are kind
[14:44] we have to make sure that our
[14:45] perceptions of others
[14:47] don't become so tilted where we see them
[14:49] as higher and us as lower, because then
[14:51] we forget that
[14:53] magic can flow from us as well as
[14:55] individuals. Like when I look whenever
[14:57] I'm standing in front of a crowd and
[14:59] speaking to them, I think about
[15:01] the magic of these individuals and how
[15:05] they're holding the arc of peace, right?
[15:07] Like they're holding the arc of peace
[15:08] for humanity because they're they care
[15:10] enough to keep developing themselves and
[15:12] trying to make sure to assess like,
[15:14] okay, where can I create more harmony in
[15:16] my life? And that harmony that you're
[15:18] sort of building in yourself and exuding
[15:20] outward, that's adding to the total
[15:22] peace of humanity. So, you know, we
[15:25] there's so much magic spilling out of
[15:27] every single one of us.
[15:29] >> Air 02. We move on to the element of
[15:31] air. Air is motion,
[15:35] change, emotional intelligence, mental
[15:37] agility, freedom, skillfulness,
[15:40] flexibility. That's the first page of
[15:42] the air chapter.
[15:44] But air 02 really touched me. Let your
[15:46] identity change
[15:48] because everything has changed.
[15:50] And so many times over these three
[15:52] decades more of working in this realm,
[15:55] in various ways I have let my identity
[15:57] change.
[15:59] People are always asking me about this
[16:00] and the the truth that you've stated,
[16:02] sticking to one idea of who you are will
[16:04] eventually feel like clothes that no
[16:07] longer fit.
[16:09] Our universe is an ever-flowing river
[16:11] that has a clear forward direction.
[16:13] Working with the universe means
[16:15] realizing that you are a being of
[16:17] change. Life has chapters. Forcing your
[16:21] preferences, standards, boundaries, and
[16:22] likes and dislikes to remain the same
[16:25] does not take into account that it is
[16:26] impossible to remain static.
[16:29] Impossible. Letting your identity flow
[16:32] like an air current is not only a
[16:34] foundational requirement to real inner
[16:36] peace, you write.
[16:38] It is the essence of building a
[16:40] fulfilling life.
[16:42] >> Mm.
[16:43] Yeah.
[16:44] >> Wow.
[16:44] >> When you when you study
[16:47] the universe, you are studying
[16:50] existence.
[16:51] And when you're studying this with your
[16:54] eyes closed,
[16:55] you see how
[16:58] things bind together for the mind and
[17:01] the matter of, you know, that's creating
[17:03] this sort of system, this Diego, this
[17:05] conception of I, how it all binds
[17:07] together
[17:09] in a very momentary situation. And
[17:12] we're all alive. We're all experiencing
[17:14] life right now because of change,
[17:16] because of the movement of change. If
[17:17] the universe were static,
[17:19] we would not be able to experience
[17:21] anything.
[17:22] Um and to me, what does that mean? It's
[17:25] I'm alive now,
[17:26] so let me do my best to work with the
[17:29] universe instead of against it. And I'm
[17:31] constantly challenging myself with this
[17:34] because when I try to
[17:36] be attached, which is basically flowing
[17:38] against the current of the universe,
[17:40] life hurts. Life hurts immediately. You
[17:42] immediately start building tension. You
[17:44] immediately start accruing greater
[17:46] amounts of delusion. Your view of
[17:49] reality becomes more unclear.
[17:51] And then I ask myself like, you know,
[17:54] what are we all learning? We're we're
[17:55] learning how to flow with this
[17:59] river of change that can only flow
[18:01] forward. And
[18:03] uh the the more that I meditate, the
[18:04] more that I see like, what's my job?
[18:06] Like, my job is to embrace change. When
[18:09] I embrace change, not only does that
[18:10] open the door
[18:12] to peace, but it opens the door to
[18:15] wisdom. And one of the clearest things
[18:17] that wisdom is trying to
[18:19] imbue is, oh, why are you hanging to
[18:22] your sense of self so tightly?
[18:25] These labels that were once helpful may
[18:28] not be helpful right now. You know, this
[18:30] one understanding that you may have
[18:32] gotten from about yourself when you were
[18:34] 21 may be totally not right when you're
[18:38] 38. And it's really interesting seeing
[18:41] how
[18:42] now that this tightness of identity is
[18:45] is looser,
[18:46] there's just so much more happiness, so
[18:48] much more love, and it's like, oh, like
[18:50] let me have curiosity towards my
[18:52] preferences. Like what do I like now
[18:54] that I didn't like before? And it's it's
[18:56] just so interesting.
[18:57] >> The same as you would do as if you were
[18:58] supporting a friend through a
[19:00] transition, you know, it's the very same
[19:02] energy.
[19:03] Uh to that end, air number 14,
[19:06] witnessing the way you move between
[19:08] calmness and storms
[19:10] will help you come to terms with the
[19:12] fact that the world does this too.
[19:15] >> [laughter]
[19:15] >> We're watching this in real time and
[19:17] current events
[19:17] >> In real time, yeah.
[19:22] >> Yeah, yeah. It's a It's incredible how
[19:27] no matter what, some people are happy
[19:28] and some people are disappointed. And
[19:30] And it And it just like that is how life
[19:34] flows. And I think when you take a
[19:37] spiritual context of like this earthly
[19:39] realm,
[19:40] I was talking to friends about it.
[19:42] And I'm like, this earthly realm
[19:45] sits between heaven and hell.
[19:47] And
[19:49] it means that there are going to be
[19:51] parts of the earth that are so beautiful
[19:53] and so qualities that we have that are
[19:55] so, you know, evidently compassionate
[19:58] and powerful, and then other aspects of
[20:00] earth that are like so hellish, right?
[20:02] Like we we see
[20:04] the most horrible things, the capacity
[20:06] for such horrendous amounts of harm.
[20:09] And And I think that doesn't mean
[20:11] passiveness, right? That doesn't mean
[20:12] like, oh, the earth always be like that,
[20:14] but it's to understand like
[20:16] this flow of change, like it just
[20:19] reveals so much of what's inside of us.
[20:21] And
[20:22] even when you close your eyes and take a
[20:24] look inside, you're getting a good look
[20:27] at humanity too. You see the darkness,
[20:29] you see the light, you see the different
[20:31] pathways that you can take and it's a
[20:34] it's a big choice for all of us to say,
[20:36] okay, I see my darkness, I create space
[20:39] for my darkness, I'm letting it
[20:41] lessen in a way where I'm not
[20:43] suppressing anything. I'm just letting
[20:45] it
[20:45] evaporate so that there can be more
[20:47] light so it's easier for me to flow in
[20:49] kindness.
[20:51] >> Your meditation practice was of great is
[20:54] continuing to be of great benefit to me
[20:56] when I sat the course and you and your
[20:59] wife Sarah were sitting in the Dharma
[21:00] seats
[21:01] and I would get to just gently hear the
[21:04] way in which you were instructing the
[21:05] gentlemen who would come to you with
[21:07] questions.
[21:08] And it was very similar to this where I
[21:11] just want to alert our viewer,
[21:13] we are very lucky to have this look,
[21:17] this closeness, this intimacy with the
[21:19] field of practice through a person who's
[21:21] fully committed to it. And this book,
[21:24] I'm going to keep reading from it,
[21:26] Journey, The Year That Changes
[21:27] Everything,
[21:28] is a distillation
[21:30] of your practice [clears throat] day by
[21:33] day by day.
[21:35] Air number 34, 33 and 34, I think
[21:38] they're both worth it.
[21:40] I by the way I'm taking like major
[21:42] notes.
[21:44] I love adding my notes. Emotional
[21:46] maturity doesn't just happen on its own.
[21:49] It is usually gradually developed
[21:52] when you recognize different qualities
[21:54] that you need to strengthen. So when I
[21:57] close my eyes and I see something like
[21:59] rancor or jealousy or dishonesty even,
[22:03] I have to let it sit and let it roll
[22:06] through, wash through, blow through,
[22:09] sweep through my consciousness until
[22:11] slowly as you just said, it kind of
[22:13] starts to lose its luster and it
[22:15] evaporates. Can you talk to us a little
[22:17] bit about
[22:19] how that process has happened for you,
[22:22] this
[22:23] evaporation, evaporate evaporative
[22:26] quality of these darknesses within us.
[22:30] >> Yeah, it's
[22:31] I almost like the word evaporate
[22:34] more than burning, right? Like it burns
[22:36] away
[22:37] and it does feel like a a lightness now
[22:40] where in the past when I first started
[22:42] meditating there was so much heaviness
[22:43] that you can just feel this fire inside
[22:46] that slowly, you know, you're no longer
[22:47] adding wood to the fire so the fire will
[22:49] burn itself out.
[22:52] But
[22:53] it's been so interesting over the years
[22:55] where
[22:56] people ask me like what's your what's
[22:58] your goal? Like why why do you write?
[23:00] Why continue to keep keep writing? I'm
[23:02] like I want people to know that their
[23:04] minds are malleable. Like my my my mind
[23:07] felt so heavy for so long, you know,
[23:10] like
[23:11] being being an immigrant and then being
[23:13] a poor immigrant on top of that and like
[23:16] having such challenging
[23:18] moments in my life where
[23:20] it was this constant struggle of
[23:22] poverty. It just made my mind so heavy,
[23:24] so fearful, so anxious, so
[23:28] sort of, you know, based around
[23:29] scarcity.
[23:30] And
[23:31] as I started meditating
[23:33] I could feel
[23:35] first witnessing the pattern, like
[23:37] seeing it and it's like whoa, it's there
[23:39] and I see the impulsiveness and I see
[23:41] the way it tries to take over and I see
[23:43] the way it tries to repeat itself over
[23:46] and over again.
[23:47] And now, you know, having had
[23:50] a number of years in this practice it's
[23:52] like
[23:53] I can see those patterns there but
[23:55] they're lighter because I've given them
[23:57] space to be
[23:59] and to be in a way where I'm not
[24:02] immediately becoming them. I'm not
[24:04] feeling them. I'm just like ooh,
[24:06] there's that fear again. There's that
[24:07] scarcity mindset. There's this
[24:10] you know, hunger for survival. And
[24:13] and I can just give it presence. Like
[24:15] it's just loving loving presence and
[24:17] then
[24:18] the heaviness will evaporate and it's so
[24:21] nice, you know, it's so interesting
[24:23] because it's so so for everybody who's
[24:25] watching now, right?
[24:26] So I don't
[24:28] um promote I teach meditation.
[24:31] I um
[24:33] the course that Elena sat with us
[24:36] that was probably the 15th or so 10-day
[24:39] course that I've taught and my wife has
[24:41] taught many too and
[24:43] um
[24:44] it's so interesting having this part of
[24:46] life where you know publicly I'm I I I
[24:49] speak and I write books privately
[24:53] this sort of space of meditation is the
[24:55] only space in my life where no money's
[24:56] involved. So like I don't get paid to
[24:58] teach, right? Like Elena also when she
[25:00] came to the 10-day course she didn't pay
[25:01] to be there and people can give
[25:04] donations and what not
[25:05] at the very end if they finish the
[25:07] course and it's so interesting how
[25:10] I love having this um
[25:13] you know it's just the only part of my
[25:14] life that has no money involved and and
[25:16] it's also interesting where you know
[25:18] there's a teacher SN Goenka who's like
[25:20] taught the courses and and where they're
[25:23] as assistant teachers sort of supporting
[25:25] uh the teaching of that technique and
[25:28] helping students just understand how to
[25:30] how to apply it properly. But it's it's
[25:32] really so great to have that moment with
[25:35] you Elena where
[25:36] the whole course you know I was I was
[25:38] sitting there on the Dhamma seat but
[25:40] then like watching you go through
[25:43] you know like you're literally traveling
[25:44] through the universe right in front of
[25:45] me.
[25:45] >> Waves.
[25:46] >> And yeah and it was just incredible to
[25:49] see and I think
[25:51] I I was laughing there were moments
[25:52] where I was laughing to myself where I
[25:54] remember speaking to a reporter once and
[25:56] she she wasn't really sure if I actually
[25:58] meditated and I was like oh right
[25:59] there's no proof. There's no like you
[26:01] know like I write these books but I
[26:03] don't take pictures of myself
[26:04] meditating. I don't like
[26:06] you know promote like I don't sell
[26:08] meditation courses or anything like
[26:09] that. So I was like of course she would
[26:11] doubt it but then I was like
[26:13] oh no but now my friend Elena Brower
[26:16] like she she saw me meditate you know we
[26:18] meditated together so she knows that
[26:19] it's real. So it's just so funny how how
[26:21] things come full circle.
[26:23] >> I'm going to come back to the book but I
[26:25] want to take a little um
[26:27] a little PSA a little public service
[26:29] announcement to share
[26:30] that after doing this course, this
[26:32] 10-day Vipassana course, I realized the
[26:35] truth of what you've just said, that
[26:37] there is a practice for me that doesn't
[26:39] need to involve money, and I have since
[26:42] ceased teaching meditation,
[26:46] ceased taking money to teach meditation,
[26:49] committed to going back to many courses
[26:52] for the rest of my life, and creating
[26:55] for myself this pocket of time twice a
[26:57] day where I'm meditating. It's my
[26:59] practice. I'm not sitting there trying
[27:01] to figure out how best to share this
[27:03] understanding or this burgeoning
[27:05] realization with the next person I come
[27:07] into contact with.
[27:09] And that has been the most profound gift
[27:11] of all.
[27:13] It's my practice now.
[27:15] Um,
[27:16] in Earth Diego, what I extrapolate is
[27:19] that real maturity is no reaction.
[27:22] >> Yeah.
[27:23] >> Real maturity, no reaction.
[27:26] When you deeply understand that all
[27:28] situations change, you write Earth
[27:29] number 28 if you're going to be
[27:31] following along with the book.
[27:33] When you deeply understand that all
[27:35] situations change, you cling to
[27:37] everything less.
[27:39] You appreciate the things that are
[27:40] enjoyable. You are not troubled when
[27:42] they end.
[27:43] You face challenges when they arise,
[27:46] but you know that no storm lasts
[27:48] forever.
[27:49] >> Mm-hmm.
[27:51] Yeah.
[27:52] That's I I You know, when you say it
[27:54] like so maturity is no no reaction, and
[27:56] I I want to make sure that for those of
[27:58] us who don't have that
[28:00] meditative contacts, like it doesn't it
[28:02] doesn't mean passiveness.
[28:03] >> Yes.
[28:04] >> It doesn't mean suppressing anything.
[28:07] What it means is that there is a very
[28:09] calm awareness that is clearly taking a
[28:13] good look at what's happening inside of
[28:15] you,
[28:15] and you are choosing not to be
[28:18] impulsive. You're not going to react to
[28:21] what's happening.
[28:22] You will If there's a need for action,
[28:25] you will take a moment to to get a good
[28:27] look like what is the proper course of
[28:29] action. How can I
[28:32] choose something that is compassionate,
[28:34] something creates harmony inside of me
[28:36] and hopefully supports the
[28:38] the harmony of the environment that I'm
[28:40] a part of.
[28:41] And you know, you're not always going to
[28:43] get it 100% right, but it at the very
[28:45] least slowing down to take a good look
[28:47] at what's actually happening and how can
[28:50] I show up in a way that's in alignment
[28:51] with my values,
[28:53] then you're going to have a way less
[28:55] bigger mess to clean up
[28:57] afterwards.
[28:59] >> To that end, Earth number 29 and I
[29:02] misspoke earlier, Earth is third and
[29:04] then water is where we end. Water flows
[29:07] back into fire.
[29:08] Earth 29.
[29:11] Deep internal stability comes from
[29:13] taking on an increasing sense of
[29:15] responsibility for yourself.
[29:18] >> Mhm.
[29:19] >> I think this is the point that you are
[29:20] just making.
[29:22] It's not about passivity at all. In
[29:23] fact, it's about seeing it so clearly,
[29:26] being with all of it, collecting
[29:28] yourself,
[29:29] and then creating the chance for you to
[29:31] choose wisely and will another way
[29:36] >> Yeah.
[29:37] >> of being.
[29:37] >> And that that responsibility for
[29:39] yourself too to like
[29:42] acknowledge that
[29:44] your healing is in your own hands,
[29:46] right? You get to craft, you get to be
[29:48] the designer of your life.
[29:50] And that includes being the designer of
[29:51] your mind, of your heart, of like really
[29:53] taking a good look in there and saying
[29:55] like what is how can I expand my
[29:58] capacity, my capacity for peace, my
[30:00] capacity for for presence, for really
[30:03] listening to others and being able to
[30:05] connect with them.
[30:06] And
[30:07] there's it's absolutely valuable to
[30:09] design a good life life for yourself
[30:11] externally, right? Like making sure that
[30:14] you have work that you really care
[30:15] about, making sure that you have good
[30:16] friends, a safe home, those things are
[30:18] valuable, but it's really that inner
[30:20] mindset that is shining a light on
[30:24] everything else around you. So if the
[30:25] inner mindset is bright, peaceful,
[30:27] happy, then things will look quite
[30:29] beautiful no matter how big are the
[30:31] winds or how small they are, whatever it
[30:33] could be. I think
[30:35] yeah, just having that responsibility
[30:37] and taking accountability for what's
[30:38] happening inside
[30:40] can really make life quite beautiful.
[30:42] >> One of the ways that I've sort of
[30:45] learned [clears throat] how to do this
[30:46] from you, Earth number 64.
[30:49] Emotional intelligence does not turn you
[30:51] into a perfect person or a mind reader,
[30:54] but it does teach you to ask questions
[30:57] instead of making assumptions.
[30:59] My understanding of this is when
[31:02] presented or confronted with a very
[31:04] intractable situation, my next move now,
[31:08] instead of assuming that something is
[31:09] going terribly awry or against me,
[31:12] assume that one more question might
[31:15] actually open something.
[31:17] >> Mm.
[31:17] >> This is very wise wise counsel, number
[31:20] 64.
[31:22] >> My my favorite thing now in conversation
[31:26] is tell me more.
[31:28] >> Totally.
[31:29] >> Tell me more and not not like not being
[31:32] so specific about like
[31:34] you know, really narrowing into one part
[31:36] of what the person is saying, but just
[31:38] saying tell me more to give them the
[31:40] freedom of like expound in any way that
[31:43] you desire so that I can get a even
[31:46] bigger picture of what you're trying to,
[31:48] you know, give to me.
[31:50] >> Yeah.
[31:51] Earth number 90 to close out Earth and
[31:53] move toward water.
[31:54] 11 ways to live wisely.
[31:58] >> Mm.
[31:58] >> Prioritize your joy.
[32:01] Lead with kindness.
[32:03] Every perspective is limited
[32:06] >> Mm-hmm.
[32:07] >> for that, including your own. Make time
[32:09] to see your friends.
[32:15] Inner peace requires letting go.
[32:19] Reacting makes the mind cloudy.
[32:23] >> Mm-hmm.
[32:23] >> Real maturity, no reaction. Stay away
[32:26] from people with big egos.
[32:29] >> Yeah, that I've been I'm really keen on
[32:32] that one. I'm like, whoa, when I see
[32:33] someone who's just like really loaded up
[32:35] in there, I'm like, oh, I got to go the
[32:36] other way.
[32:38] >> Gently make a
[32:38] >> right turn.
[32:40] >> Yeah.
[32:40] >> Um, impulsiveness is not the right
[32:42] answer.
[32:44] >> Mhm.
[32:45] >> Let people know you appreciate them.
[32:49] Slowing down helps you live your best
[32:51] life.
[32:53] And you have to say no a lot
[32:56] to save your energy.
[32:58] And I'd love for you to tell us more
[32:59] about that one.
[33:01] Just say no. Cuz you do it well.
[33:04] >> Yeah, I try I try to. I am I'm learning
[33:08] to
[33:09] make sure that
[33:11] that I I get some of my own time too.
[33:13] >> [laughter]
[33:14] >> Same.
[33:15] >> Um,
[33:16] I've been following this really strict
[33:18] rubric this year
[33:21] where I check in with myself to see if
[33:25] something is in in alignment with my
[33:27] values, with my nervous system, and with
[33:29] my intuition. When they converge, then I
[33:32] know I'm going in a good direction.
[33:34] >> Mhm.
[33:34] >> Um,
[33:36] at the same time, I have to have a clear
[33:38] sense of like what are my primary goals.
[33:40] For each year, I have, you know, have
[33:42] like two or three things that I'm really
[33:43] working on. Some, you know, internal and
[33:47] some like external like work goals or or
[33:48] what not.
[33:50] And I need to be honest about like am I
[33:53] actually putting the energy in to make
[33:55] these goals come true because if I'm
[33:57] scattered, if I'm way over committed,
[33:59] then I'm all over the place and I am not
[34:01] going to be of service to myself or to
[34:04] others. So I have to be really mindful
[34:06] and the the the nuance too that I've
[34:08] been learning about the nervous system
[34:09] where
[34:10] it's not about like, oh, keep myself
[34:13] settled and balanced and easeful all the
[34:15] time. It's not about that. It's making
[34:17] sure that I'm putting energy towards
[34:19] something that feels so genuine and so
[34:21] right that even the hard work of of it
[34:23] feels good. Even like, okay, I'm going
[34:25] to put energy like the way
[34:27] where I've been um
[34:29] doing a lot of running the past two
[34:31] months.
[34:31] >> I'm so proud of you.
[34:33] >> and it's it's hard work. It's not it's
[34:34] not easy. Like I ran 10 miles the other
[34:36] day and then I ran five yesterday.
[34:38] >> Wow.
[34:38] >> And when I was finishing the five, I was
[34:41] like in mile three I was like, oh, my
[34:42] body's tired. But um,
[34:45] but I keep going and keep a good sort
[34:48] of, you know, balance of making sure I
[34:50] get rest, but this this hard work of
[34:53] like,
[34:54] you know, pushing myself a little
[34:55] further each time, it um,
[34:59] it's not exhausting me. It's generative.
[35:01] It's like giving me more energy. So,
[35:04] yeah.
[35:04] >> It's the same with the practice, too.
[35:06] The sitting. You know, you think you
[35:07] can't
[35:08] 30 minutes and you're just like, wow,
[35:10] another 30 minutes is upon me.
[35:14] >> Yeah.
[35:14] >> And you think you can't and then you
[35:15] can.
[35:17] >> That's my favorite thing about
[35:18] meditating. I'm like, it's not easy.
[35:20] Like people are like, I'm bad at it.
[35:22] That's why I don't do it. I'm like, of
[35:23] course you're bad at it. We're all bad
[35:24] at it. That's the whole point. It's
[35:26] supposed to be very revealing.
[35:28] >> Oh, yes.
[35:29] >> and but it's training. Like come on, you
[35:31] think you're going to go to the gym for
[35:32] the first time and it's going to feel
[35:34] great? No, it's going to hurt.
[35:36] >> It's sore.
[35:37] >> Yeah.
[35:39] >> Um, water as cohesion. You mentioned
[35:42] this earlier and I would love to explore
[35:43] this with you.
[35:45] I think of water and I think of fluidity
[35:47] and then you brought in this word
[35:49] cohesion and I'm understanding now how
[35:52] everything kind of congeals and flows
[35:55] together. I would love for you to talk
[35:57] from your perspective about this word.
[36:02] >> Yeah, I think um, I felt the same way
[36:04] the first time I heard that that word
[36:05] cohesion and it's it's in the
[36:09] you know, when you look at the old
[36:10] Buddhist teachings and Glenn talks about
[36:11] this water as cohesion, too. And I think
[36:14] about water as cohesion. That's that's
[36:16] why the water section is the last one
[36:18] because you spend time sort of like
[36:21] cultivating that quality of fire to make
[36:23] big changes. You develop your
[36:25] adaptability with air. You develop your
[36:27] balance with earth. And then water is
[36:30] like, how are you showing up for
[36:31] yourself and for your community, for the
[36:34] people that you love? Cuz that's the the
[36:35] cohesive quality is like, are you
[36:38] feeling whole within and are you doing
[36:41] your part to bring harmony into the
[36:43] environments that you're in. And and I
[36:46] think it's it's interesting how, you
[36:47] know, you
[36:49] that's the big connection is you
[36:51] really embrace your ability to evolve
[36:55] and then you immediately start seeing
[36:57] how that transforms your relationships,
[37:00] how that makes them deeper.
[37:02] And that's why I felt like, okay, let me
[37:03] really focus in on the first part of the
[37:05] book on the individual, and now
[37:08] let's bring it together with this uh you
[37:10] know, how are you showing up for
[37:11] yourself and for others?
[37:13] >> You point out too in water number 14
[37:15] that we live in a time that is not well
[37:17] matched to our evolutionary design.
[37:20] >> Oh, [clears throat] yeah.
[37:20] >> critical pivot point for me. Uh we have
[37:22] great access to one another through
[37:24] social media, text messages, emails.
[37:27] This can sometimes allow for more
[37:29] long-lasting connections and it has and
[37:31] it does. And actually we're an example
[37:33] of that.
[37:34] >> Yeah, yeah, right.
[37:35] >> But it can also put you in a situation
[37:37] where too many people are asking for
[37:39] your time. I think this is, to your
[37:41] point,
[37:42] the no that is a generative, helpful, of
[37:46] service, more harmonizing than a guess.
[37:51] >> Yeah, and it's it's really, you know,
[37:56] I think everyone is experiencing this
[37:58] because everyone has DMs, everyone has
[38:01] text messages, everyone has email,
[38:03] everyone has like so many modes of
[38:05] connecting us that
[38:06] >> Yeah.
[38:06] >> it's nice to be connected, but it feels
[38:09] the the inundation of information feels
[38:12] overwhelming and it feels like it's
[38:14] really pushing this urgency urgency
[38:17] culture that just leads to burnout.
[38:19] And
[38:21] I think to myself like, you know, we
[38:24] were meant to live in little herds of
[38:27] 120, 160.
[38:29] >> Yeah.
[38:30] >> And
[38:31] and it's [snorts] it's really
[38:32] interesting how
[38:34] think about how much time you actually
[38:36] have in your life to for for deep
[38:38] cultivation of connection, for like real
[38:40] connection where we can like really
[38:42] spend time meeting each other and
[38:45] it's been so interesting how there's
[38:48] just, there isn't infinite time, so you
[38:49] have to pick like who, who are the
[38:51] people you really want to build with,
[38:52] and I have um, I'm recently Vivek
[38:55] Murthy, he started working on Wisdom
[38:57] Ventures with us, and him and I have
[38:58] become friends. And Vivek like he, he's,
[39:01] he was, I learned so much from him even
[39:03] in in our first few meetings where
[39:06] he was like Diego, let's go on a walk
[39:07] cuz we both felt like I'm like oh my
[39:09] gosh, I love this guy, I want to be best
[39:11] friends,
[39:12] but we need time, we need time to like
[39:14] come together and like really meld and
[39:16] you know, build our bond, and we went on
[39:18] this long walk in San Francisco.
[39:21] And we were talking about
[39:24] our lives and how we got to where we are
[39:26] now and
[39:28] and it was just so interesting how
[39:31] we needed that space to really build
[39:33] that connection between the two of us
[39:35] and now it really feels evident and
[39:36] strong.
[39:37] And and I think you know, we can't, we
[39:40] can't fake that, we can't like and you
[39:42] can only really carry so many
[39:43] superficial connections, so I'm never,
[39:46] I'm never saying like be mean to people,
[39:47] but I'm saying you have to be honest
[39:49] with yourself like
[39:50] how many connections can you feed and
[39:52] are you feeding them?
[39:53] >> Water number 17.
[39:56] Saving the majority of your time for the
[39:58] people who make you feel seen and heard
[40:00] is not selfish.
[40:02] It's an act of self-care that uses your
[40:05] energy wisely.
[40:07] >> Yeah.
[40:08] >> Thank you for that.
[40:09] >> think I
[40:10] I think a lot about my my parents
[40:13] and how
[40:15] I'm like oh I'm trying, I'm trying to
[40:16] reserve so much time for them and to
[40:19] really um
[40:21] hang out with these two incredible human
[40:23] beings, like I'm so proud of them, I I
[40:25] love them so much. I talked to my mom
[40:27] the other day, my mom um she was, she
[40:29] was you know, feeling really emotional
[40:31] about how one of the interviews that I
[40:33] did for the Pivot podcast was on Netflix
[40:36] and I called my mom and she's like
[40:37] watching me on Netflix and she's, she's
[40:39] crying and
[40:41] and I was like mom, I was like I want
[40:42] you to know when whenever I tell my sort
[40:45] of my version of the story and I talk
[40:47] about you know, my mom, she worked
[40:49] cleaning houses, my dad worked in a
[40:51] supermarket. I was like, I want you to
[40:52] know that I say that with
[40:54] the most pride. Like, I'm so proud of
[40:58] you guys. Like, I'm so I'm so grateful.
[41:00] Like, it's it's this infinite gratitude
[41:02] that I feel that you would even be
[41:03] willing to to work that hard for me and
[41:05] my brother and my sister.
[41:07] And my mom, she was just like, oh, I
[41:10] know. Like, I know. You're so You know,
[41:11] you're like you you say that with so
[41:13] much pride and
[41:14] um I'm excited. My mom and dad are going
[41:16] to come with me to the
[41:18] event in Miami. So, I'm going to like
[41:20] fly them down. Well, and I made sure
[41:22] that it was like really nice and easy
[41:24] for us and then they have a good time
[41:26] and they're also celebrating, I think,
[41:27] like 43 year years of marriage or
[41:30] something like that. So, it'll be a nice
[41:32] moment for us.
[41:33] >> I remember seeing those two from the
[41:35] stage at the Y, the 92 Seconds of Y in
[41:38] New York. Beaming.
[41:40] You're all beaming toward you. So
[41:42] beautiful.
[41:44] Oh gosh. There's a last one that I
[41:46] wanted to read before I have a very fun
[41:48] announcement about four tickets to San
[41:50] Francisco that are being given away.
[41:53] >> Nice.
[41:54] >> Water number 70. Understand your field
[41:56] of control. We've talked about this a
[41:58] few different ways, but I think this is
[42:00] a really nice sort of coda.
[42:02] Understand your field of control.
[42:03] Craving will make you want to control
[42:06] much more than what is reasonable.
[42:08] If you truly want inner peace, you
[42:10] right,
[42:11] you must come to terms with the reality
[42:13] that you can only control your own
[42:15] choices.
[42:17] You may have influence over a few
[42:19] people, but that is incredibly limited
[42:21] and unreliable.
[42:23] You cannot live someone's life for them.
[42:25] When the mind gets attached to craving
[42:28] for others to behave in certain ways,
[42:33] you are simultaneously rejecting the
[42:35] truth of the present moment
[42:37] and filling your mind with tension.
[42:42] >> There's
[42:44] there's this picture that and I've
[42:46] mentioned it to you before, but I keep
[42:48] coming back to this picture of life
[42:51] being a canvas that we paint on with our
[42:54] actions.
[42:56] >> Yeah.
[42:56] >> And it's more than enough paint. Like,
[42:59] your actions are more than enough paint
[43:01] to create something masterful, to create
[43:03] something beautiful.
[43:05] >> Mhm.
[43:05] >> And [clears throat] so often we fall
[43:07] into the delusion of, ooh, how much
[43:10] further can I extend my control? Can I
[43:13] go beyond my actions? Let me try. And
[43:15] then, yeah, you will fail. Like, you
[43:17] know, that it's the failure will be
[43:19] there of like, whoa, I have you know,
[43:22] I'm stretching too far. And the what it
[43:25] looks like is the moment that you start
[43:27] stepping outside of your own field of
[43:29] control and trying to control other
[43:31] things about other people around you,
[43:33] usually the people who are nearest to
[43:34] you are people that you love, you won't
[43:36] be loving them well. You won't be loving
[43:38] them right if you're trying to, you
[43:40] know,
[43:41] be too a part of their decision making
[43:44] where it actually feels like you're
[43:45] controlling them. That's not real love.
[43:47] That's actually squeezing the freedom
[43:49] out of the love. So we have to, you
[43:51] know, understand love as acceptance and
[43:53] love as understanding and and also
[43:55] understanding that the people that you
[43:58] are near, they have their own journeys,
[44:00] too. So your journeys may be their side
[44:03] by side lock step in your
[44:05] understandings, but then there may be
[44:06] moments where they're, you know, they
[44:08] diverge and whatnot. But I think there's
[44:11] this
[44:12] beautiful power that is unlocked when we
[44:16] are able to realize, oh, okay, so I only
[44:18] have control over my actions.
[44:20] Now you really start focusing in like,
[44:23] ooh, let me be crafty. Let me really see
[44:25] what I can do with these actions and and
[44:27] you're going to build something
[44:28] beautiful for yourself.
[44:30] >> I've seen this in my parenting most
[44:31] clearly. Partnering, too, but parenting
[44:34] most clearly, where
[44:36] I really can't control or determine the
[44:39] actions of this person to whom I've
[44:41] given birth,
[44:42] but I can walk alongside and act in a
[44:46] way that is supportive and remind him
[44:49] that I trust him and allow him to
[44:52] emerge.
[44:54] >> Mhm.
[44:55] >> And you've seen it happen and it's
[44:57] completely true that when we do that,
[45:01] these people will become who they are no
[45:02] matter what.
[45:04] >> Mm.
[45:05] Exactly. Exactly.
[45:07] >> It's incredible.
[45:08] >> I'm so glad that we're going to continue
[45:10] this in San Francisco.
[45:12] >> Yes, sir. We have four tickets.
[45:14] >> Yeah.
[45:15] >> tickets. I want to give it to four
[45:16] people. If you're watching and you are
[45:19] in the Bay Area or you know somebody in
[45:21] the Bay Area, I would like for you to
[45:24] reach out to me in the comments under
[45:26] the post that I will post up very very
[45:29] soon as soon as the video is done
[45:30] processing and let me know that you're
[45:32] interested. In about two or three days,
[45:34] I'm just going to scroll through the
[45:35] comments and go boom boom boom boom. So
[45:38] make sure you comment.
[45:40] And I will pick and I will get in touch
[45:42] via DMs in Substack and I will let you
[45:44] know that you have been the winner.
[45:47] If you don't hear from me, you haven't
[45:49] been and there will be another time. But
[45:51] I look forward to hearing from you in
[45:52] the comments.
[45:54] Diego, anything that we haven't touched
[45:56] on that you would love to touch on
[45:57] today?
[45:59] >> No, I think we should save the rest for
[46:02] San Francisco. I feel like that that
[46:04] conversation is the one I'm really
[46:05] looking forward to because
[46:07] we have always been able to see each
[46:09] other pretty well, but now we can really
[46:11] see each other
[46:12] uh now that we're sharing this practice.
[46:14] So I think I'm excited to dive deep into
[46:17] wisdom.
[46:19] I want to dive deep into like what is
[46:21] like what is at the very edge of the
[46:23] universe. What's that like? I want to
[46:25] dive deep into just all of the
[46:27] architecture of inner peace.
[46:28] And
[46:30] yeah, it's going to be fun. I know
[46:31] you're giving away four tickets, but for
[46:33] those who, you know, aren't part of the
[46:35] looking for, you should still come join
[46:36] us because it'll it's going to be
[46:38] a special and it's always the highlight
[46:39] of the tour is spending time in in San
[46:42] Francisco because
[46:43] there's always just such a warm welcome
[46:45] there. And if you're not in SF, yeah,
[46:47] there's
[46:48] you know, I'll be
[46:49] bopping around the country for two
[46:51] weeks. So I'll see you somewhere.
[46:52] >> And where's the best place for our
[46:54] viewer to find the tour dates.
[46:57] >> Um,
[46:58] youngpueblo.com/tour
[47:03] I think.
[47:04] >> I'll make sure that that's included here
[47:06] too as well.
[47:07] >> Totally.
[47:08] Awesome.
[47:09] >> you so much.
[47:10] >> Thank you so much too. This was so fun
[47:12] and thank you all so much who have been
[47:14] listening and commenting and just
[47:16] sending all the hearts out. So grateful
[47:18] for your presence. Such a great group.
[47:21] >> Yeah, thank you so much. See you soon.
[47:23] See you in San Francisco in just a
[47:25] matter of days.
[47:26] >> Awesome. Ciao.
[47:28] >> All the best.