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[0:00] In this beautiful episode, we talk about
[0:02] relationships with a young man called
[0:04] Yotam and how he has struggled and I
[0:07] would assert how most people struggle
[0:08] and why a lot of relationships don't
[0:10] work. So, if you have at any point in
[0:12] your life struggled to connect with
[0:13] others, romantically, friends, familial,
[0:16] professional, this episode's for you and
[0:18] I really hope by the end of it you will
[0:19] discover how much love you in fact have
[0:22] to share with others.
[0:24] >> So, my main struggles are romantic
[0:27] relationships and friendships. So, I
[0:30] haven't been able to
[0:32] find or stay in a meaningful and maybe
[0:36] secure friendship. I do have I I feel
[0:39] like I'm always like in and out of, you
[0:41] know, like someone who's
[0:42] um
[0:43] who doesn't have a job, who always says
[0:45] he's in between jobs.
[0:47] >> Yeah.
[0:48] >> So, I kind of feel like I'm all the time
[0:49] between friendships.
[0:51] >> Okay. Got it.
[0:52] >> do have friends that I've maintained the
[0:55] friendship with over the years, but
[0:58] they tend to be not not that reciprocal.
[1:01] I feel like I always want to spend more
[1:03] time with them than they do with me.
[1:05] >> Okay.
[1:06] >> And I just can't seem to find like I've
[1:09] moved cities, I've
[1:11] I've changed jobs,
[1:13] um
[1:14] >> Mhm.
[1:15] >> I'm I'm a very active
[1:17] guy. Like I I'm pretty charismatic. I
[1:20] can I I worked on like approaching
[1:22] people and like joining groups. I've,
[1:24] you know, so it's not like I'm not I
[1:26] stay at home all day. I'm a I'm
[1:28] >> Yeah.
[1:29] >> pretty social.
[1:30] It just always feels like it's almost
[1:32] there and I keep feel like people are um
[1:34] trying to like slowly uh get back and
[1:37] like receding. Like
[1:39] >> Uh-huh. Yeah, remove themselves.
[1:41] >> Yeah. The main contributor to that is
[1:44] >> [clears throat and cough]
[1:45] >> this underlying pattern of feeling not
[1:48] wanted, insecure, like not being loved.
[1:53] There's something wrong with me. Like
[1:56] there's something that has to be wrong
[1:57] with me and people apparently see it and
[1:59] that's why they have to like
[2:01] move back and try to get away and find
[2:03] their way out of this friendship.
[2:05] >> Yeah, that makes sense.
[2:07] Okay, do you want to sort of just tag on
[2:09] the romantic side what that relationship
[2:12] um experience has been like so far for
[2:14] you on planet Earth?
[2:16] >> Yeah.
[2:17] So I'm going to be 27 in a month and um
[2:21] >> Okay.
[2:21] >> I dated uh a girl in high school.
[2:25] So I was like 17, 18. We dated for a
[2:27] year.
[2:28] Um she broke up with me and ever since
[2:31] then
[2:32] I haven't found
[2:35] um any
[2:37] new relationship really.
[2:39] And I've tried like I've
[2:41] pretty much
[2:43] um developed feelings for
[2:46] all kinds of uh girls in my life in
[2:48] different places and cities that I've
[2:50] been in.
[2:51] And they all seem to be either
[2:55] emotionally unavailable or
[2:59] for some for some reason it just I just
[3:01] keep getting
[3:02] um
[3:03] no's.
[3:04] And it's been very frustrating.
[3:07] >> No, I get it and I'm sorry that you're
[3:08] going through that as a
[3:10] as a lovely guy who's, you know,
[3:12] handsome, smart, as you said, proactive
[3:14] and wants to share and have some
[3:16] companionship. I get how how much that
[3:19] can hurt, especially if you've been
[3:20] trying for a while. So let's go back. So
[3:23] this relationship you had up to 12th
[3:25] grade with this girl for a year
[3:28] she broke up with you. My guess is that
[3:30] probably hurt. So let's let's dive into
[3:32] that a little bit. What was that like?
[3:34] How would you kind of rate the
[3:36] relationship in all arenas and then
[3:39] I think more importantly what was it
[3:41] like when it ended?
[3:43] >> I would rate it maybe a six and a half
[3:45] out of 10.
[3:47] >> Okay.
[3:48] >> [laughter]
[3:49] >> Not that you have a lot to compare to,
[3:50] but okay.
[3:52] Exactly. Yeah, I got it.
[3:55] >> Um
[3:56] I should ask her actually. She just got
[3:58] married.
[3:58] >> Yeah.
[3:59] >> Um
[3:59] >> Okay.
[4:01] >> Anyways, she at one point like half a
[4:03] year or a bit more into the
[4:04] relationship, she like disappeared for a
[4:06] few like she didn't contact me for a few
[4:09] weeks.
[4:10] She was apparently going through through
[4:12] some anxiety, weird anxiety attack. I
[4:14] don't know, she went through something
[4:16] and I didn't know what was going on. I
[4:19] contacted her dad, you know, I like and
[4:21] then after a few weeks she like came
[4:23] back to reality and then we kept going
[4:26] on from there, but it slowly
[4:28] after that she like got further and
[4:30] further away from me like emotionally
[4:33] and how much she's investing in me.
[4:35] We broke up and that
[4:37] really really hurt.
[4:38] >> All right, well I appreciate all of
[4:39] that. I get a sense of maybe some of the
[4:41] things that you know, you have
[4:44] created in the way that you relate
[4:46] especially romantically to others.
[4:48] Um let's go back a little further. Tell
[4:50] me tell me about your childhood like you
[4:52] know, relationship to mom and dad, any
[4:55] notable events that you went through
[4:57] uh that you know, may have impacted you.
[5:01] >> Um I have
[5:03] uh two very loving parents.
[5:06] >> Yeah.
[5:06] >> Um they're still together.
[5:08] Uh like they love each other, they love
[5:10] me. We moved uh to different countries
[5:13] um when I grew up. That might have had
[5:16] some sort of impact, but I think like
[5:17] maybe the stories um that come up are
[5:21] I remember I was I always had a crush
[5:25] like since first grade I had crushes on
[5:27] girls.
[5:28] >> Yeah.
[5:28] >> Um okay.
[5:30] It was never uh reciprocal.
[5:32] It was always like I remember this was
[5:34] in fifth grade, but me and this girl
[5:37] from biology class we were flirting cuz
[5:39] I knew how to flirt back then. I
[5:41] >> No, like most 11 12 year olds.
[5:44] >> [laughter]
[5:45] >> You weren't You weren't a champion flirt
[5:47] at like 11, come on.
[5:49] >> No, I was I was pretty good, but
[5:51] anyways, so I felt like this a really
[5:53] good vibe between me and this other
[5:54] girl. I asked her out and then
[5:58] she was with her friend and they she
[6:00] told me like listen, I don't I'm not
[6:02] into you and then they kind of started
[6:04] laughing.
[6:05] She She and her friend.
[6:07] >> Yeah.
[6:09] >> So I just
[6:11] I I remember that was pretty
[6:13] impactful.
[6:15] Um
[6:15] >> Yeah, what did that what did that little
[6:17] boy that cute adorable sensitive boy
[6:19] decide at that moment about that
[6:21] interaction?
[6:23] And about himself?
[6:26] >> Maybe that um
[6:29] I'm not what I think I am
[6:31] in the eyes of others.
[6:33] >> Yeah, what I heard was there's sort of a
[6:35] a dent in your own trust, right? Cuz
[6:37] you're like, "Wait, wait, but I know
[6:39] you're into me." Like, you know, so it's
[6:40] sort of
[6:42] what I felt then is that you're
[6:44] unable to even trust your own instincts.
[6:47] >> Yeah, definitely.
[6:49] >> Make sense? Yeah.
[6:50] >> Yeah.
[6:52] This This happened in other instances as
[6:54] I got older as well.
[6:56] >> Yeah, okay. And then what about relative
[7:00] to girls, the fact that they laughed,
[7:02] you know,
[7:03] at you?
[7:06] Did you make up maybe a story about
[7:08] them?
[7:11] >> Like maybe they think I'm some sort of I
[7:13] don't know if loser is the word, but
[7:15] like
[7:16] that they see something in me that I
[7:19] hadn't noticed, [clears throat] like
[7:20] something bad about me, and they
[7:21] recognized it.
[7:23] >> Yeah, that's the word again that came to
[7:25] mind for me. So just sitting inside of
[7:27] that for a second, if who you are
[7:29] unbeknownst to yourself, right? Cuz you
[7:31] can't trust your own judgment. You know,
[7:33] that you're perceived as some sort of
[7:35] loser, what's that like to live inside
[7:37] of that narrative?
[7:39] >> I feel like it's
[7:41] um
[7:42] it's really confusing.
[7:45] >> Mhm.
[7:46] >> Uh there's some uh desperation in there.
[7:49] >> Yeah, there is, right?
[7:51] Can you feel that in your behavior
[7:52] sometimes?
[7:54] >> Definitely.
[7:55] >> Like
[7:56] a little bit needy. I mean, even in the
[7:57] video you left me, you said, you know,
[7:59] you feel that you need other people more
[8:00] than they need you. Just the choice of
[8:02] words that you said then.
[8:05] >> Yeah.
[8:06] >> Yeah.
[8:07] That's okay.
[8:09] And how does that show up as you look at
[8:11] it now if there's a little bit of
[8:13] desperation or neediness like how could
[8:15] you see that that might manifest in your
[8:17] actions or your words?
[8:20] >> [snorts]
[8:23] >> Kind of uh
[8:26] always trying to like make sure this
[8:29] the ship, let's pretend that what they
[8:32] them liking me or them giving me a
[8:34] chance is a ship, always trying to make
[8:36] sure that ship doesn't sink.
[8:39] So, I'm always be there for them. I'll
[8:41] show up. I'll I'll be very uh flexible
[8:44] like when we meet or like it's kind of
[8:47] like uh whenever you want is fine kind
[8:50] of this
[8:51] kind of people pleasing type of
[8:53] >> Yeah, I get it.
[8:55] Yeah, so you're sort of always looking
[8:57] out for worst case scenarios and trying
[8:59] to mitigate or avoid them.
[9:02] >> Yeah, chronically feeling like they
[9:05] don't actually want They're always
[9:07] trying to figure a way out to like Yeah,
[9:09] to find a way out.
[9:11] >> To get out of the relationship. How does
[9:13] that strike you and I know you're pretty
[9:14] young as you said 27. What does that
[9:18] feel like if you're constantly trying to
[9:20] avoid somebody leaving you, ending a
[9:23] relationship, always looking out for
[9:26] that worst case scenario?
[9:29] >> It's uh
[9:31] it's just uh
[9:32] saddening.
[9:34] >> Yeah.
[9:35] >> It ends up being exhausting.
[9:37] >> Totally exhausting for sure, right?
[9:40] So, here's the irony. If we look at the
[9:42] mechanics of it, right? So, everybody
[9:44] unbeknownst to themselves is going to be
[9:46] driven by these subconscious dialogues,
[9:48] narratives that got formulated or at
[9:51] least triggered in a young version of
[9:53] ourself, right? Like we could probably
[9:54] go back and we might talk more about
[9:56] your relationship with your mom and dad
[9:57] who sound wonderful and you know, they
[9:59] love you dearly and that can at
[10:01] sometimes
[10:02] be a detriment, you know, especially as
[10:04] a man, right? Like I feel like
[10:06] if I were to meet your mom, she's
[10:08] probably really sweet, adores you and
[10:10] you know, you have a great relationship
[10:11] with her. Which at some level,
[10:13] unfortunately, might be the barrier to
[10:16] you moving on as a man
[10:18] and having relationships with other
[10:20] women, right? Meaning
[10:23] back in the day, you know, I grew up in
[10:25] England, and I don't know, you know,
[10:27] where where
[10:29] when you grew up, it probably wasn't the
[10:31] case cuz you're a little bit younger
[10:32] than me, but um
[10:33] when when we were on the phone just a
[10:35] couple of years, um when we were on a
[10:37] phone call
[10:39] if somebody else tried to call us
[10:42] the phone is engaged or busy, right? Now
[10:45] we have call waiting, right? So, you
[10:47] could be on a mobile or even a landline,
[10:49] and you can hear the beep of someone
[10:51] else trying to get through to you. But
[10:53] back in the day
[10:55] you know, if I called one of my buddies
[10:56] to go out to play or whatever, the phone
[10:59] was busy. It would say, "Oh, you know,
[11:01] the line's engaged, right? They're on a
[11:02] call. I'll try back in a few minutes."
[11:05] So, what I hear for you, you know,
[11:08] intuitively, is that at some level,
[11:11] you're and it might sound like a weird
[11:12] expression, but you're still engaged
[11:14] with your mom.
[11:16] Mhm. Does that Does that make sense
[11:18] intuitively? Meaning
[11:20] often times when the boy has a very
[11:22] close relationship with the mother
[11:26] um
[11:27] until such time that there is some,
[11:29] usually, you know, uh severing of that
[11:31] through tragedy or
[11:34] um miscommunication, disharmony
[11:38] disruption, then the boy can't move on
[11:40] to become a man and then engage with
[11:42] other women.
[11:44] Does that make sense energetically?
[11:46] Well, I'm not saying that you have to
[11:47] agree with it, but could you at least
[11:48] see the the principle that I'm I'm
[11:50] talking about?
[11:51] >> Yes. I would like to caveat though if
[11:54] >> Please, go ahead.
[11:56] >> Yeah.
[11:57] Um
[11:57] what you said makes sense, I'm I'm not
[11:59] sure um
[12:01] if my relationship with my mother is
[12:04] like that. She is very very loving. She
[12:07] likes We're We're six kids. She loves
[12:10] everyone, and then she's a
[12:11] therapist. She She lots of love to give
[12:13] and she is very uh motherly and we have
[12:17] Um I also have some, you know,
[12:20] issues with her. I'm not sure if like
[12:23] what kind what kind of
[12:24] um
[12:25] relationship are you like is in your
[12:28] head
[12:29] that you're um that you kind of thought
[12:32] about this.
[12:33] Um
[12:34] >> So, what I'm leading to and it's good to
[12:35] know, you know, I was going to get into
[12:37] siblings and stuff. So, you're one of
[12:38] six, which helps me to understand that
[12:41] the dynamic I'm talking about can be
[12:43] unconscious. It's energetic, right? So,
[12:45] regardless of what's actually
[12:47] transpiring on the surface in actions,
[12:49] words, um it's more sort of an emotional
[12:52] energetic bond. So, where were you in
[12:54] the six? Like where what what's uh where
[12:57] did you come in pecking order?
[13:00] >> I'm the fifth.
[13:01] >> Fifth, okay. Okay, cool. So, not quite
[13:04] the runt of the litter, but close.
[13:06] >> [laughter]
[13:06] >> So, one of the youngest ones. Yeah. So,
[13:08] that also lends to, you know, like I see
[13:10] you such a beautiful sensitive soul, but
[13:13] at some level also quite young, right?
[13:15] Not not not just biologically,
[13:16] chronologically, but emotionally, right?
[13:19] So, that can, you know, typically in a
[13:20] family with that kind of size with all
[13:23] of those kids, you know, the youngest
[13:25] become
[13:27] um very dependent on either parents or
[13:30] older siblings, right? So, you're at
[13:33] some level kind of mollycoddled for a
[13:35] while, right? Cuz there's got to take
[13:36] care of the youngest. You're going to
[13:37] have older siblings, they step up.
[13:39] That'll fulfill on some of their
[13:41] narratives that it's up to them. They
[13:43] start to develop different levels of
[13:44] responsibility.
[13:46] Uh because they're now sort of at some
[13:48] level charged with uh taking care of
[13:50] their younger siblings, right?
[13:53] So, you you remain in that sort of
[13:55] weaker position emotionally,
[13:57] energetically. It's got nothing to do
[13:58] with, you know, your potentiality or
[14:00] your physicality. So, what happens is it
[14:04] might take you a little longer
[14:05] energetically to kind of leave the nest,
[14:09] right?
[14:10] And and I'm talking in not literally,
[14:12] you know, I'm sure you live by yourself
[14:13] or you have roommates or whatever, but
[14:15] you went to college um but emotionally,
[14:18] right? To be able to move on.
[14:20] So, that's that's one component, but
[14:22] what I want you to consider is that that
[14:24] moment, you know, when you were in with
[14:26] the biological
[14:27] the class, you know, biology class with
[14:29] the girl that you first had a crush on
[14:31] and you know, you're like, "Wait, wait,
[14:32] no, I know you're into me." And then
[14:34] there was the confusion, there was like
[14:36] the
[14:37] you know, little bit of desperation that
[14:39] came there and the fact that you were
[14:41] mocked a little bit like, you know,
[14:42] could leave that imprint of
[14:45] at the worst case you're a loser, at the
[14:47] best case there's definitely something
[14:48] wrong with you. And then your
[14:50] relationship to yourself is self-doubt,
[14:52] right? Like, wait a minute. Like, my own
[14:55] my own perspective is a little bit off.
[14:57] I can't even trust it, right?
[14:59] So, if you combine all of those, what it
[15:02] leads to to me energetically and I could
[15:04] hear this in your
[15:05] video you submitted, but even in the way
[15:07] you're speaking today, there's just not
[15:09] in a bad way, but there's a little bit
[15:11] of neediness.
[15:13] Right?
[15:15] Fair enough.
[15:17] So,
[15:18] what does your neediness
[15:22] transmit, right? If you look at a human
[15:24] being like a radio, and we're frequency
[15:26] beings, so we tend to attract the
[15:28] circumstances
[15:30] and people that will reflect the
[15:32] frequency vibration that we're emitting,
[15:34] right? So, if you were to look at it
[15:37] objectively without any judgment, what
[15:39] what would you say is the frequency that
[15:41] your Tom is like currently tuned into?
[15:46] What does your energy share?
[15:48] >> What does my energy energy share about
[15:51] >> about you and like again, imagine a
[15:53] radio, right? You tune it into, I don't
[15:55] know, 97.5 FM and it's like R&B, right?
[15:58] So, based on that frequency, you attract
[16:01] R&B. Or you move it to 105.8 and it's
[16:04] like classic rock, right? And so, then
[16:06] classic rock show. All of those
[16:08] frequencies and the music is all out
[16:10] there, depends on what we're tuned into,
[16:12] right? So, what I'm wanting you to try
[16:14] and feel and we've we've sort of talked
[16:17] to it directly and danced around it, but
[16:19] what is your Thomas frequency? What is
[16:21] What are you currently tuned into that
[16:23] has the kind of music {quote} people and
[16:26] circumstances that you're attracting?
[16:30] >> If I understood the question, then it's
[16:32] some sort of
[16:34] um
[16:35] obviously neediness, but like maybe some
[16:39] some sort of unworthiness. I'm not
[16:41] enough on my own.
[16:43] >> Yeah, beautiful. And you mentioned it
[16:45] earlier as sort of So, if somebody's
[16:47] needy,
[16:49] what are you not inherently?
[16:53] If you're needy, meaning looking for
[16:56] others to show up, what aren't What
[16:58] aren't you inherently?
[17:00] >> Enough.
[17:02] >> Enough is part of it, but more literal.
[17:05] If you're wanting to get somebody to be
[17:09] there in your life, what are you not?
[17:12] >> There for myself.
[17:15] >> That's right at the core, but relative
[17:17] to others. If you're If you're trying to
[17:20] get to others and they're not showing
[17:22] up,
[17:23] what might you And you said it earlier
[17:25] on when we were looking at the different
[17:26] stories you've made up, that you're not
[17:29] fundamentally what?
[17:32] >> Uh wanted.
[17:33] >> Correct. Yeah.
[17:35] Now, just sit with that.
[17:37] If you
[17:38] And it really I use the word
[17:39] specifically, you know, I choose my
[17:40] words very consciously. So,
[17:42] fundamentally, right? Meaning at the
[17:45] deepest level, you're not inherently
[17:47] wanted.
[17:51] What's it like to live inside of that?
[17:57] There you go.
[18:04] >> Uh it just puts me in kind of a survival
[18:06] mode all the time.
[18:08] >> Yeah.
[18:09] >> Always trying to figure out other
[18:11] people's uh What are they saying to me?
[18:14] Do they Do they want to be here? Do they
[18:15] not? Is what I said okay? Is that's
[18:18] really a
[18:18] >> Yeah.
[18:19] Beautiful. Now, let's take this energy
[18:21] that you're feeling right now and see if
[18:23] you can remember
[18:24] anything in the dynamic of your family
[18:27] where the fifth of six kids,
[18:30] you maybe noticed however subtle that
[18:33] some of your siblings seem to get more
[18:36] attention, whether it was from mom,
[18:37] whether it was from dad, whether it was
[18:39] from other boys and girls, whether it
[18:40] was from school teachers or friends.
[18:43] Like, did you Can you remember any
[18:45] moments where you would notice some of
[18:47] your probably older sib- lings
[18:49] that in whatever form seem to get more
[18:52] attention?
[18:55] Was there a popular kid, a smart kid, a
[18:56] good athlete? Did mom or dad have a
[18:59] favorite, even if it wasn't really, you
[19:01] know, obvious?
[19:04] Something that you saw or felt?
[19:08] >> I kind of want to find the answer, but
[19:09] I'm not finding one at the moment.
[19:12] >> No, that's okay. I appreciate you
[19:13] looking. And again, these things can be
[19:15] subtle. And sometimes when we're young,
[19:16] we notice or more intuitively feel
[19:20] that sort of distinction between hang on
[19:22] a minute, why is it that mom, dad, you
[19:25] know, and these don't have to be
[19:27] conscious thoughts are showing a lot
[19:29] more love, a lot more affection. Dad
[19:31] smiles bigger when my sis- my brother or
[19:33] my sister comes in the room. You know,
[19:35] and these are like subtle impressions
[19:37] that the kid would feel. Like, you know,
[19:38] and you're very sensitive. So again, you
[19:40] might not recall it, but my guess is
[19:42] based on your energetic signature that
[19:44] I'm reading, you felt it.
[19:47] >> Mhm.
[19:49] >> Were any of your older siblings in any
[19:51] regard more successful, better looking,
[19:53] better academics, better athletes?
[19:56] >> We're all really talented.
[19:58] >> Okay, all well accomplished.
[20:00] >> talented.
[20:01] >> Yeah.
[20:03] >> I don't know. Both my
[20:04] sisters are
[20:06] uh very, very beautiful.
[20:08] >> Okay.
[20:09] >> Um I have a younger sister and an older
[20:11] sister.
[20:12] Um
[20:14] >> Did that in any way I mean, look, even
[20:15] as uh
[20:18] you know, brother to sister or brother
[20:19] to a brother, when we're younger, like
[20:21] biologically, we are weaker, not as
[20:24] fast, not as smart. There's certain
[20:26] things we can't do. We're not allowed to
[20:27] clear the table. They can cuz we're
[20:29] going to break. You know, there's this
[20:31] dynamic gets established, right?
[20:34] >> Mhm.
[20:34] >> So, without leading the witness here,
[20:36] like I want you to feel into your role
[20:38] in that sort of
[20:40] dynamic of the family
[20:42] and how you felt relative to others.
[20:48] And again, it's not going to be so
[20:50] present now cuz, you know, you're you're
[20:52] quote-unquote a man and you're older,
[20:54] but when you're a kid
[20:56] and again, you may not recall all of it,
[20:58] but can you feel that there may have
[21:00] been moments where you felt slightly
[21:03] you know, weaker, slower, not as smart,
[21:06] couldn't partake, you know, as your
[21:08] older siblings?
[21:10] >> Yeah, I remember like
[21:13] um
[21:14] with my older brother, like one the one
[21:17] before me.
[21:18] Um
[21:19] >> Yeah.
[21:20] >> I remember a lot of
[21:22] maybe wanting to be hang out with his
[21:24] friends or like
[21:26] >> Here you go. Yeah.
[21:27] >> And they didn't really
[21:31] uh he kind of showed that I wasn't
[21:34] really invited or I I recall a
[21:36] conversation I had with a childhood
[21:38] friend.
[21:39] Um he was my older brother's age and he
[21:42] told me that I was always crying that I
[21:45] um
[21:46] that I
[21:47] wanted to like play with them or
[21:49] something.
[21:50] >> Yeah.
[21:50] >> Yeah.
[21:51] >> And they wouldn't include you.
[21:53] >> Yeah, they would sometimes or if they
[21:55] would, then they would uh
[21:59] I don't know, make fun of me or have um
[22:03] >> Yeah.
[22:04] >> You know, it's kind of like it wasn't
[22:06] very intense.
[22:07] >> It might not seem like that, but this is
[22:09] what I'm looking for, right? So, I
[22:11] guarantee you for that like 5 6 7
[22:14] 8-year-old, it was intense.
[22:16] You know, if you're crying
[22:19] you know, I think this is where and
[22:21] don't take this the wrong way. When
[22:22] people I I I sometimes chuckle to myself
[22:25] in the most loving way, but you said,
[22:27] you know, you meet people who are
[22:28] emotionally unavailable.
[22:30] Right? So, when anybody ever says that,
[22:32] typically it's a like a glaring sign
[22:34] that you're not emotionally available.
[22:36] Right?
[22:37] Now, we can get
[22:39] we can get to why because you, as you
[22:41] said, think about it. You know, you
[22:43] recognize very astutely that if you're
[22:45] being needy or desperate, then, you
[22:48] know, that leaves you feeling like um
[22:51] you're surviving is the word you used,
[22:53] right? So, think about it emotionally.
[22:56] If you're trying to survive, meaning
[22:58] you're in a sort of steady state of
[23:01] fight or flight,
[23:02] how truly emotionally available are you?
[23:09] >> Not at all. I'm always um
[23:12] trying to uh figure things out if
[23:14] they're into me, if they like me, if
[23:16] they're enjoying their time, if I'm
[23:18] enjoying my time, if they're good enough
[23:19] for me.
[23:21] >> Amazing. Amazing that you can see that,
[23:23] right? Isn't that like kind of
[23:25] not shocking, but is that oh my god,
[23:27] here I am thinking that they're not
[23:29] emotionally available and I'm busy
[23:31] managing worst-case potential scenarios.
[23:34] Right?
[23:35] >> Yeah.
[23:37] >> Yeah. So, what I want you to see is like
[23:38] one of my favorite quotes about
[23:40] relationships. I say that most people
[23:41] are in a relationship,
[23:44] but not in relationship.
[23:47] >> Mhm.
[23:48] >> Very subtle, right? Most people are in a
[23:51] relationship, but not in relationship.
[23:54] So, they're in the form, right? It's my
[23:55] friend. It's my boyfriend. It's my
[23:57] girlfriend. It's my husband. It's my
[23:58] wife. So, you have the form declared,
[24:01] but the energetics in the way that you
[24:03] actually relate and communicate aren't
[24:04] there.
[24:07] So, this is good news, right? Because
[24:09] what I want you to realize is one of the
[24:11] reasons you don't have a relationship is
[24:13] cuz you don't yet know how to be in
[24:15] relationship. [laughter]
[24:17] Right? So, you know, the mechanics of
[24:20] how our brain is wired works, right?
[24:22] It's physics, right? If the way that you
[24:24] know, Tom is relating to life is from
[24:26] fear, concern for worst-case scenarios,
[24:29] as you said, always managing the ship,
[24:31] to use your term, of where does that go?
[24:33] Are they going to leave me? Are they
[24:34] questioning what's going on? Do they
[24:36] like me? All of that. Who Who are you
[24:39] actually having a relationship with in
[24:40] that dynamic?
[24:43] >> With my own fears and
[24:46] my own inner [clears throat] dialogue.
[24:48] >> Amazing.
[24:50] And And you can really see that, right?
[24:52] It's like you're literally in a
[24:53] relationship with your own concerns.
[24:56] Welcome to being human. I guarantee you
[24:58] most people listening to this are like
[25:00] right now saying, "Holy [ __ ] I'm doing
[25:02] the same thing."
[25:03] >> Yeah.
[25:04] >> They wonder why their relationship
[25:05] doesn't work. And it gets even more
[25:07] insidious because
[25:09] you know, most of these narratives and
[25:11] dialogues that we're in relationship
[25:13] with are deep in our subconscious, so
[25:15] we're not even aware of it.
[25:17] You know, a lot of people who are
[25:19] feeling they're not enough
[25:21] are so busy preoccupied with how am I
[25:24] occurring to people, like the way they
[25:26] look. Am I the right shape? Am I wearing
[25:28] the right clothes? Do I know the right
[25:30] information? Am I like smart enough to
[25:32] be with this group? Am I athletic?
[25:34] Whatever it is, right? And And it's
[25:37] they won't necessarily know that they're
[25:39] actually in a relationship with their
[25:40] own sense of inadequacy. They'll just
[25:42] feel anxious, and they might say, "Oh, I
[25:44] just have a bit of social anxiety."
[25:46] No, you You're completely related to
[25:49] your own feeling of not being enough and
[25:51] trying to constantly manage that,
[25:52] compensate for it, and monitor it.
[25:54] That's exhausting.
[25:56] Okay?
[25:58] So, here's the irony for you, my friend,
[25:59] is that all the things you said, I
[26:01] concur. Like, you're smart, you're
[26:02] charming, you're proactive, you're you
[26:04] know, you're a beautiful guy, you're
[26:05] you've got a big heart, you love being
[26:07] around people.
[26:08] But you are in a relationship with your
[26:11] own fears that you're not in a
[26:14] relationship.
[26:17] >> [laughter]
[26:21] >> That's called self-fulfilling prophecy,
[26:22] right? Self-sabotage. So, even when
[26:24] you're in a relationship, because you've
[26:26] gotten so used to being in a
[26:27] relationship with your own fear that
[26:29] you're not in a relationship,
[26:31] that when you're in a relationship,
[26:32] you're not in the relationship cuz
[26:34] you're still maintaining the
[26:35] relationship with your fear that you're
[26:36] not in a relationship.
[26:38] That's quite a tongue twister, but
[26:40] hopefully everyone tracked, right?
[26:41] >> [laughter]
[26:43] >> Yeah.
[26:44] >> So So, let's cut to So, some of the
[26:47] mechanics that sustain that we've
[26:48] already touched on, right? Like I can
[26:50] feel the energetics of it, which is a
[26:52] young boy wants to play with his older
[26:54] brother and he's dismissed, right? He's
[26:57] not included.
[26:58] And so, that's a component of the not
[27:00] being wanted.
[27:02] Right? So, for a kid, he might not be
[27:04] I'm not wanted, but it more it feels
[27:06] more like you're just dismissed, you're
[27:08] disregarded, you're rejected, you're not
[27:10] included in the gang, right?
[27:13] >> Yeah.
[27:14] >> So, just find that, feel that, right?
[27:15] That's a horrible feeling and that's
[27:17] going to be part of the neediness,
[27:19] right? Where Okay, I'm not inherently
[27:21] included, therefore, your brain
[27:24] automatically will come up with a very
[27:26] logical solution, which is what do I
[27:29] have to do to be included?
[27:32] Do you see that? That's the survival
[27:33] coping strategy.
[27:35] The hurt underneath is I'm not included,
[27:37] that really hurts. That's part of the
[27:38] isolation that everybody experiences.
[27:41] Then, cuz you're sweet, you know, some
[27:43] people become defiant. They're like,
[27:44] "Well, [ __ ] you. I'm going to go and
[27:46] join my own gang." Or, you know, they
[27:47] might literally join a group that is
[27:50] destructive, disharmonious, not healthy,
[27:52] but to prove a point, right?
[27:54] Clearly, you fortunately didn't do that.
[27:56] You're still trying to mitigate your own
[27:59] underlying fear that you're not innately
[28:01] included.
[28:03] Do you see that?
[28:05] >> Yeah.
[28:05] >> That's the exhaustion, that's the
[28:06] desperation, that's the neediness,
[28:08] that's the being super self-conscious
[28:11] and very vigilant, right? You're always
[28:12] looking out for any potential sign that
[28:15] a friend or a girlfriend might say
[28:17] something that could jeopardize the
[28:19] relationship.
[28:21] Right?
[28:23] So, not feeling included is part of it.
[28:26] Not being wanted as a more So, not
[28:29] feeling included is more sort of the
[28:31] emotional experience. Not being wanted
[28:32] is more the story. You know, that you've
[28:35] developed over time.
[28:37] And I want you to consider there's
[28:39] something there about like loser is, you
[28:42] know, not inaccurate, but somehow you're
[28:44] a little bit less than. You know, there
[28:46] might be something wrong with you.
[28:48] >> Yeah, I definitely uh
[28:51] see
[28:52] um
[28:54] the more I do uh your work than the less
[28:56] it it it is so, but
[28:58] I tend to see myself as either below
[29:00] people
[29:01] like girls, friends
[29:04] >> Yeah.
[29:04] >> whatever, or above them.
[29:06] >> Okay. Yeah. Which is just the two sides
[29:10] of the same coin ultimately, right? It's
[29:13] still keeping yourself separate, right?
[29:14] So, the fundamental identity that is our
[29:17] ego is by design separate.
[29:19] So, the relationship you're in
[29:22] with yourself, your own fears and
[29:24] limitations, is that isolated silo, the
[29:27] world that people live in by themselves.
[29:29] Right? Which hurts, right? Because
[29:31] underneath that, without getting too
[29:32] poetic, the nature of who we are is
[29:35] interconnected.
[29:37] Right? Consciousness being our essence
[29:40] can't be separate from other
[29:43] consciousness.
[29:44] We can only experience the illusion of
[29:47] separation due to the conversations we
[29:49] have about ourselves that your Tom is
[29:51] somehow not wanted, not included, he's
[29:53] somehow less than.
[29:55] That's that's where the illusion of
[29:57] separation exists.
[29:59] Do you see that?
[30:00] >> Yeah.
[30:00] >> So,
[30:02] So, I'm going to jump ahead a little bit
[30:03] here, and this is an advanced question,
[30:05] and you may or may not get it, but I'm
[30:07] going to appeal to your intelligence.
[30:09] What is the fundamental lie that you
[30:12] currently have in place about
[30:15] relationships?
[30:16] Period. Whether they be friends or
[30:18] romantic.
[30:20] What is the fundamental lie in the way
[30:22] that you see relationships?
[30:30] >> That I'm um
[30:34] not loved, not wanted.
[30:37] >> That's part of it. That's more the
[30:38] personal subjective experience on top of
[30:42] the lie.
[30:45] And it might be hard to find cuz this
[30:47] will probably be shocking to everybody
[30:49] listening.
[30:51] So, what is the lie about relationships
[30:54] particularly for you
[30:55] in the way that you view a relationship?
[31:02] What are you not currently in
[31:05] relationships?
[31:10] And I'm not saying like loved and
[31:11] wanted, yeah, they're accurate, but at
[31:13] the deepest level
[31:17] >> What am I not? I'm not in relationship,
[31:20] but um
[31:21] >> Yeah.
[31:21] >> [clears throat]
[31:22] >> That's your experience, but it it's
[31:24] because of the way you view
[31:26] relationships fundamentally
[31:29] with others.
[31:33] >> That they're out of reach. I don't know.
[31:35] This is uh
[31:35] >> Yeah. Yeah, no, that's that's not
[31:37] inaccurate. So, I want you to consider
[31:39] and this should be shocking. The way
[31:41] that you relate to relationships is that
[31:43] you're not inherently already related.
[31:48] >> Mhm.
[31:52] >> So again, this is yeah, it should be
[31:53] mind-blowing, right?
[31:55] >> [laughter]
[31:56] >> Your eyes went like Huh?
[31:58] >> I'm going to have to process this.
[32:00] >> Yeah, no, everybody is like, what the
[32:02] [ __ ] Right? So, your eyes disappeared
[32:04] in the back of your head. So,
[32:07] the way that people have relationships
[32:10] currently structured is even if you look
[32:12] at the word relationship implies two at
[32:15] least, right?
[32:17] Within that dynamic is the illusion of
[32:20] separation, right? It's me and then
[32:22] other. Whether it's friend, parent,
[32:25] sibling, girlfriend, boyfriend,
[32:26] whatever.
[32:28] So,
[32:30] at the deepest core of your
[32:32] quote-unquote problem, which is all
[32:33] illusory, it's not a real problem, your
[32:37] conditioning has it set up that you
[32:39] aren't
[32:40] automatically related to people.
[32:43] >> Mhm.
[32:45] >> So, think about this as a maybe a an odd
[32:48] analogy, but help will help. Imagine a
[32:51] wave
[32:53] on an ocean, and let's say it's even in
[32:55] the same cove or the same beach, but
[32:57] it's like, you know, 50 100 ft down from
[32:59] another wave.
[33:02] It would be like that wave seeing the
[33:03] other wave, if it had conscious that I'm
[33:05] not related to that wave.
[33:08] >> Mhm.
[33:09] >> Now, why is that inaccurate?
[33:11] >> Because they're all part of the same
[33:13] body of water, and it's they're just a
[33:14] different form of the same
[33:17] body of water.
[33:19] >> Beautifully articulated. Now, apply that
[33:22] to the human disposition.
[33:25] >> We're all part of the same We're all
[33:27] intrinsically
[33:29] uh
[33:30] We're inherently connected and related.
[33:33] >> Yeah.
[33:34] >> And for me, living through my ego, I
[33:38] see myself as disconnected from
[33:40] everybody else.
[33:42] >> Yeah.
[33:42] >> Um so, then
[33:43] >> So, now let's flip-flop between the two.
[33:45] When you're in your ego, you're
[33:46] disconnected. We have the whole story
[33:48] that we've been discussing for the last
[33:49] 45 minutes of Yotam. Has another
[33:52] relationship for a years. He got hurt
[33:54] when he was 11 in biology class cuz the
[33:56] girl that he thought he was flirting
[33:57] with and he was scoring with said, "No,
[33:59] I don't like you." Cut to, you know, in
[34:01] 12th grade, his girlfriend breaks up
[34:03] with him, his first love. That's, you
[34:05] know, like really hurtful. And so,
[34:07] you've got all of this evidence. You
[34:09] can't play with your brother and his
[34:10] friends. All you've known in the life
[34:13] that you've currently existed and and
[34:15] experienced is I'm not inherently
[34:18] included. I'm not inherently wanted. I'm
[34:21] not inherently part of the gang.
[34:24] Now, when you live inside of that
[34:25] dynamic, we we experience your
[34:28] behavioral coping strategies, right?
[34:30] Needy, a bit desperate, trying,
[34:32] proactive, move countries, join
[34:34] communities, go to clubs, whatever it is
[34:36] you have to do. Can you see your
[34:38] behavior is being driven by the
[34:40] underlying fundamental belief that
[34:42] you're not inherently part of something.
[34:47] >> Yeah, definitely.
[34:49] >> Right? And that's the sadness. That's
[34:50] the desperation. That's where you reach
[34:52] out to Peter Crone and, you know, jump
[34:54] on a podcast who's going to blow your
[34:56] [ __ ] mind wide open and see that
[34:58] you're full of [ __ ] and you can't not be
[35:00] part of the game, right? [laughter]
[35:02] So, so we we you're very familiar with
[35:04] the former, right? Like feeling
[35:06] inherently separate. Now, I know this is
[35:09] all new and and it's literally, you
[35:11] know, 5 minutes old for you, but what
[35:13] would it feel like for you, Tom, if
[35:16] you're inherently connected to
[35:18] everybody? You can't not be related to
[35:21] others. You might not know their name,
[35:23] their nationality, their favorite color,
[35:25] the you know, the the whatever their
[35:27] idiosyncrasies are. You know, don't know
[35:29] their subjective details, but
[35:31] emotionally, energetically, at the
[35:33] deepest level, you're inherently
[35:35] connected to every being.
[35:37] How does that hit your system?
[35:42] >> It's uh kind of like uh you want to like
[35:45] Uh you kind of want to
[35:47] >> Well, I do, but like I say I cuz it's
[35:50] your system, not mine.
[35:52] >> [laughter]
[35:53] >> Peter Crone wants to No, I'm kidding.
[35:55] >> Peter Peter Crone wants to relax. No, I
[35:56] feel pretty good and connected, but
[35:58] thank you.
[35:59] >> [laughter]
[35:59] >> Thank you.
[36:01] >> Uh [snorts]
[36:02] >> Yeah, can you feel the relief?
[36:04] >> Yeah.
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[36:23] >> It's
[36:24] It is It feels a bit foreign though.
[36:26] Like my body doesn't
[36:28] really
[36:28] >> course it shouldn't. Your whole nervous
[36:29] system is wired to survive relationships
[36:31] that you're never in.
[36:34] >> [laughter]
[36:36] >> Yeah.
[36:38] >> Listen, the whole nature of my work is
[36:40] to inspire the birth of a new type of
[36:42] human being. I don't want to sound
[36:43] grandiose, but in this conversation
[36:45] right now, you're being birthed into a
[36:47] new iteration of yourself with which
[36:49] you're not familiar.
[36:51] So, it should feel a little weird and
[36:53] uncomfortable. Ironically, it's what you
[36:54] want, though.
[36:57] Right.
[36:58] Where all you want is to experience the
[37:00] feeling of unity that is your
[37:02] birthright.
[37:04] You are, I hate to, you know, burst your
[37:06] bubble of ego survival, but you're
[37:08] connected to every human being on this
[37:10] planet, every sentient being.
[37:12] Everything is consciousness.
[37:15] You might not know their details. That's
[37:16] why I say, you know, I I I know who you
[37:18] are, I just don't know the details of
[37:20] your life.
[37:23] Mhm.
[37:24] Now, can you see how dramatically, and I
[37:27] don't want to sort of sound drastic, but
[37:29] it is, how different you would approach,
[37:32] say, a girl at a grocery store or a
[37:35] cafe, or how you would speak to somebody
[37:37] if you know you can't not already be
[37:41] related?
[37:42] >> Yeah.
[37:44] >> How would you feel?
[37:47] >> Much more at ease, much more,
[37:49] um,
[37:50] maybe not needing some
[37:53] like without the need of some approval.
[37:56] >> Yeah, let me ask you something. If you
[37:57] If someone came up to you and they
[38:00] weren't at ease, meaning they were
[38:01] tense, nervous, a little bit
[38:03] apprehensive, and they were looking for
[38:05] your approval, are you more drawn to
[38:07] that person or somebody who's totally at
[38:09] ease and doesn't need anything from you?
[38:13] >> [laughter]
[38:16] >> Right?
[38:16] >> Mhm.
[38:17] >> It's pretty clear when you see it, isn't
[38:18] it?
[38:19] >> Yeah.
[38:20] >> And you weren't doing anything wrong,
[38:22] you were just being informed by your
[38:23] nervous system and its own concern for
[38:25] not being fundamentally accepted and
[38:27] loved for who you are or included. And
[38:30] your own psychology, you know, where
[38:32] you've got evidence as to why you have
[38:34] to do something to be wanted.
[38:37] It It's okay. It's just exhausting and
[38:39] it's complete pretense, right? It's a
[38:40] facade.
[38:43] Now, you're like, "Oh, I can't not be
[38:45] [ __ ] related." You You can walk up to
[38:47] a complete stranger and say, "Hey, good
[38:48] to see you. You're looking great today."
[38:49] They're like, "Do I know you?" No, but
[38:51] we're related. Don't worry about it.
[38:52] >> [laughter]
[38:54] >> They're like, "That guy's fascinating."
[38:56] >> Yeah. How would I apply this
[39:00] um
[39:01] >> [snorts]
[39:01] >> because I find myself, you know,
[39:03] obviously
[39:05] I find myself starting relationships and
[39:07] then end up
[39:09] somehow like falling out of love with
[39:12] that person, with that friend, or
[39:14] whatever.
[39:15] Um
[39:16] >> Yeah.
[39:16] >> I kind of like I feel like I attract
[39:18] people that um that I end up pushing
[39:21] away or getting away from myself.
[39:23] >> Yeah.
[39:23] >> How would I apply this um feeling of
[39:26] connectedness to people that I would do
[39:29] not wish to um continue the relationship
[39:33] with?
[39:34] Um how can I still feel connected, but
[39:36] also like maybe understand that this is
[39:39] not for me, or or maybe if I would have
[39:41] been connected in the first place that
[39:43] then I wouldn't feel feel the need to
[39:44] get away from it.
[39:46] >> Yeah. So, a couple of things to
[39:47] consider. First of all, the mechanism by
[39:50] which you're attracting people right now
[39:52] is false, right? It's illusory. It's
[39:54] based on lies and fears.
[39:56] So, whenever we attract people,
[39:58] circumstances, or otherwise, when we're
[40:00] coming from a place of our own sense of
[40:02] inadequacy or insecurity, whatever we
[40:04] attract is only going to be related to
[40:06] our mechanisms of survival.
[40:09] >> Mhm.
[40:09] >> Make sense?
[40:10] So, it's not authentic. It's not really
[40:12] what your {quote} {unquote} soul craves.
[40:14] So, at some level
[40:16] your soul is using the mechanisms of
[40:19] constraint to attract circumstances so
[40:21] you hopefully wake up, you know, to your
[40:24] own limitations, right? That's the
[40:26] journey of being human.
[40:27] So, your soul is here to emancipate
[40:29] itself from these fears and limitations.
[40:32] So, currently you've attracted people
[40:35] and circumstances that aren't {quote}
[40:37] {unquote} appropriate for the essence of
[40:39] who you are, that however completely
[40:42] aligned with the view you have of
[40:43] yourself.
[40:45] Not wanted, not included, somehow less
[40:48] than, right?
[40:50] >> Yeah.
[40:50] >> But that can't be sustained because it's
[40:52] not really who you are. So those are
[40:54] going to fall by the wayside. So at one
[40:56] level, the fact that you haven't had a
[40:58] relationship romantically for 8 years
[40:59] and your friendships tend to come and go
[41:02] is a perfect representation, it's
[41:04] commensurate with the way that you
[41:06] currently relate to life.
[41:09] Right? You keep fulfilling on your
[41:12] fundamental story about yourself like
[41:13] everybody.
[41:16] Did you see the movie Inception? Did you
[41:18] ever watch that with uh DiCaprio,
[41:20] Leonardo?
[41:21] >> Um
[41:23] No, only clips of it.
[41:25] >> Yeah. So it might be worth watching, but
[41:26] there's a very powerful line there where
[41:29] he goes to all these different levels of
[41:30] memory and subconscious, right? Where
[41:33] his wife and he would go to these
[41:35] different states, meaning uh sort of
[41:38] psychologically deep into the recesses
[41:40] of their mind. And the way that you come
[41:43] out of that, just like when you're
[41:44] sleeping, if you're in a dream state and
[41:46] you fall or somebody shoots you, you
[41:48] wake up, right? So when we die in a
[41:50] particular state of dream, we tend to
[41:53] come back to, you know, waking state.
[41:57] And in the movie, without spoiling it,
[41:59] but it's a very powerful distinction,
[42:02] Leonardo had place what's called
[42:05] inception, meaning you put an idea in
[42:07] somebody's mind. And his wife loved the
[42:10] dream state. A lot of people in the
[42:12] movie, they just want to go there cuz
[42:14] it's a different place to be where you
[42:15] can make up things, right? It's not
[42:17] based on the laws of three-dimensional,
[42:19] you know, living that we're in.
[42:21] And she would never leave.
[42:24] And so he planted a seed that said this
[42:26] is not real. This is not reality.
[42:30] So that she would keep being informed by
[42:32] this is not reality. We have to We have
[42:34] to kill ourselves in this dream so we
[42:36] can come back to life and back to our
[42:38] children.
[42:40] But because that was always there, even
[42:42] when they came back to reality, she was
[42:45] still being informed by this isn't
[42:46] reality.
[42:47] >> Mhm.
[42:48] >> And so, you know, the whole premise of
[42:49] the movie, I'm not going to spoil, but
[42:51] so then she kept being informed by that
[42:54] and always trying to {quote} kill
[42:56] herself to come back to reality.
[42:59] Why I'm sharing that is because by
[43:00] design the nature of the human ego is
[43:03] that.
[43:05] So you're always related to your own
[43:08] deep belief that you're fundamentally
[43:10] not related, not wanted, not included,
[43:12] and somehow less than.
[43:14] So that's what you're always going to
[43:16] find evidence for. Even if and I'm sure
[43:17] there've been many people who loved you,
[43:19] girlfriends who wanted to be with you,
[43:21] friends who wanted to hang out with you.
[43:23] And through no fault of your own, your
[43:25] energy will have to fundamentally at
[43:28] some point fulfill on itself.
[43:32] >> Meaning I Meaning those events will
[43:34] transpire to reflect that way I see
[43:37] myself?
[43:38] >> Yes, so meaning even if you liked
[43:40] someone or you were attracted to
[43:42] someone, the the subtleties of like, you
[43:44] know, let's say you were with someone
[43:46] and they maybe moved in with you. But
[43:48] somebody who spends a lot of time with
[43:49] you, energetically the way you
[43:51] communicate, your your ways of
[43:53] affection, the way you make love, the
[43:55] way that you, you know, react to their
[43:57] comments, all of that will be inside of
[44:00] the world that you're not fundamentally
[44:02] wanted.
[44:04] >> Mhm.
[44:05] >> So on the surface what that might have
[44:07] looked like is that you were a really
[44:09] thoughtful, kind, generous boyfriend,
[44:11] right? You would take the trash out.
[44:13] They didn't ask. You would bring flowers
[44:15] home. It wasn't their birthday. You
[44:16] would leave a sweet note because, you
[44:18] know, you wanted to show how much you
[44:20] love them. But if you look at it really
[44:22] at the deepest subtle level, not all,
[44:25] but the majority of your actions would
[44:27] have been driven by the underlying fear
[44:29] that, "Oh, they could leave at any
[44:31] moment."
[44:32] Can you see that?
[44:34] >> Yeah.
[44:34] >> This is how I learned my deep
[44:36] conditioning, my very first not too
[44:37] dissimilar, you know, my very first
[44:39] love. I was scared that she would leave.
[44:43] I I had a narrative of loss. Anything
[44:46] that was valuable to me is always going
[44:47] to leave because my mom died when I was
[44:49] seven, my dad died when I was 17, right?
[44:51] So I'm being informed by the hurt of my
[44:54] history now superimposing it onto a
[44:56] completely different being who doesn't
[44:58] have that relationship to me. She adored
[45:00] me,
[45:01] but because of the fear of loss, I would
[45:04] quote and quote be Peter plus, right?
[45:07] I'm loving, kind, super generous,
[45:09] you know, on paper,
[45:11] [ __ ] amazing boyfriend, right? But I
[45:14] was amazing boyfriend plus.
[45:16] So, it wasn't just my authentic, kind,
[45:18] loving, caring self. It was all of that
[45:20] and then just that little extra to make
[45:22] sure she didn't leave me.
[45:24] >> [laughter]
[45:24] >> But that little extra is what causes
[45:27] energetically the person to leave you
[45:29] because it's not true. It's not
[45:31] authentic. It's being driven by the
[45:33] mechanics of your subconscious fears and
[45:35] limitations which have to fulfill on
[45:38] themselves.
[45:40] So, your Tom, unbeknownst to you, that's
[45:43] why there's no fault, but now you get to
[45:44] be responsible for it. That's where the
[45:46] power comes in because before this
[45:48] conversation, you were powerless to
[45:51] those mechanics, right? You just didn't
[45:53] know, like, why? I'm trying. I do da da
[45:54] da.
[45:55] You've got all of the reasons as to why
[45:57] you should be in a relation I'm kind,
[45:59] I'm charming, I'm I'm a sweet guy, I'm a
[46:01] good dude, I go to the, you know? Yeah,
[46:03] they're all true, but you're inside of
[46:05] this invisible cage where you keep
[46:07] fulfilling on the belief that you're not
[46:09] fundamentally wanted and it's eventually
[46:11] going to fall apart.
[46:13] You see that?
[46:14] >> Yeah.
[46:15] >> Isn't that crazy?
[46:18] And now you know why most people have
[46:19] medications or like some sort of
[46:21] substance abuse cuz they're like
[46:23] doesn't matter how [ __ ] much I try to
[46:25] make money, get in shape, get rid of my
[46:27] sickness, have a relationship, finally
[46:29] be loved by my mom or dad, you know,
[46:31] it's like it doesn't work. No, cuz
[46:32] you're living in a prison that you can't
[46:34] see that has to fulfill on itself.
[46:37] So, let's go back. So, what is the
[46:39] fundamental the fundamental lie that
[46:41] your Tom's been living in?
[46:44] That you're not.
[46:45] >> Not included, not not
[46:47] um
[46:49] connected inherently.
[46:51] >> Yeah.
[46:52] That's a lie, do you see? So, now that
[46:54] you know that you're inherently
[46:56] connected, you can't not be related to
[46:58] people.
[47:00] >> That's my own
[47:02] >> [laughter]
[47:03] >> I just saw a bunch of
[47:05] these videos and it's it's it's cool
[47:07] that I'm getting to be to answer these
[47:09] questions myself. I'm just
[47:11] >> Yeah, isn't it cool?
[47:13] >> Yeah.
[47:14] >> You mean a bunch of these videos me
[47:16] doing podcasts with other people?
[47:17] >> Yeah.
[47:18] >> Yes. Isn't it cool to be in the in the
[47:20] hot seat right now? It's like holy [ __ ]
[47:22] it's happening, it's real. I'm stepping
[47:24] into a world that feels really weird and
[47:26] uncomfortable, but it's also cool.
[47:30] Yeah. Yeah, welcome to 2.0 world, my
[47:32] friend.
[47:33] So, what does that now make available
[47:35] for your time if you're inherently
[47:37] connected? You can't not be related. Who
[47:41] could you be as a man? How could you
[47:44] feel as you walk around the streets? I
[47:46] mean, that breath that you just took
[47:47] there looked beautiful.
[47:50] Did it feel good?
[47:56] >> Um just
[47:58] um
[47:59] maybe some trust.
[48:01] >> That's nice, isn't it?
[48:03] >> Yeah.
[48:04] Being at ease.
[48:06] Not having to
[48:08] do anything
[48:10] special.
[48:13] >> Yeah, it's going to take a minute to
[48:14] sink in, but to answer your question
[48:15] earlier about why have you attracted
[48:17] people that maybe sometimes then you
[48:19] fall out of love with? Well, part one,
[48:22] as I said is
[48:24] because the mechanisms that drove you to
[48:25] be attracted to that person were
[48:27] fallacious. They were illusory, right?
[48:29] They were based on your attempts to be
[48:31] wanted. I know it sounds harsh, but
[48:33] you're basically using other people to
[48:35] try and overcome your own fears.
[48:38] >> And why did I chose these Why I chose
[48:40] these people specifically in the way
[48:42] >> Well, because there would have been some
[48:44] energetic component in them that also
[48:46] helped them to have their own story.
[48:48] They would have something similar that
[48:50] they're not loved, they're not wanted.
[48:52] Um they're less than, right? So, the
[48:55] energetics, again, what I said about the
[48:57] radio. If you're tuned into 97.5 and you
[49:00] get R&B, it's a match.
[49:02] >> Mhm.
[49:03] >> Right?
[49:04] So, this match energetically, like a
[49:05] dating app, you know, you would
[49:07] energetically match with people who have
[49:09] some sort of similar configuration in
[49:11] the way that they feel less than or they
[49:14] don't inherently feel love for who they
[49:15] are. Maybe they don't feel valued.
[49:19] >> Mhm.
[49:20] >> Something like that.
[49:22] So, now when you
[49:24] with trust being one of the components
[49:26] that you just started to feel,
[49:28] you allow life to present you with
[49:31] people that are a fit for your new
[49:34] frequency.
[49:37] Which is I'm inherently wanted. I'm
[49:39] inherently connected. There's nothing I
[49:42] have to prove in order to get somebody
[49:44] to {quote} {unquote} like me. They will
[49:46] or they won't. Then it just comes down
[49:48] to personal preference.
[49:51] You've been in the energy of desperation
[49:52] trying to force outcomes, right? Trying
[49:55] to manipulate situations, which I know
[49:57] is a strong word, but that's really what
[49:59] the ego does.
[50:01] Now, when you step out of that world of
[50:03] illusion illusion and feeling less than
[50:05] not wanted, that you're somehow not
[50:08] included, into the world of like, "Oh."
[50:12] Like the big relax and relief that you
[50:14] had when I first, you know, pointed out
[50:16] the lie. It's like, "Oh, there's nothing
[50:18] for me to do to be related."
[50:21] What that now affords you is the freedom
[50:24] to just be yourself and allow the right
[50:27] {quote} {unquote} people to show up for
[50:30] whatever your next {quote} {unquote}
[50:31] evolution is.
[50:33] Now you actually get to experience true
[50:35] relationship. Now you get to be
[50:37] emotionally available. Now you get to
[50:39] communicate truly, authentically to your
[50:42] Tom as opposed to your Tom trying not to
[50:45] offend someone or trying to get someone
[50:47] to approve of him. Do you see? There's
[50:48] two completely different ways of
[50:50] communicating.
[50:52] >> Yeah.
[50:54] >> Your next problem's going to be you have
[50:55] reach out for me, you know, to do
[50:57] another podcast cuz like, "Dude, I got
[50:59] way too many people are interested in
[51:01] dating me and being friends. I'm so
[51:03] related
[51:05] >> [laughter]
[51:06] >> How do I choose?
[51:11] Yeah, I'm I'm going to guess that for a
[51:12] minute you'll be okay with that problem.
[51:15] >> [laughter]
[51:15] >> Yeah.
[51:17] >> So ultimately, at the deepest level,
[51:19] when you look through the lens of you're
[51:21] not related, you're not wanted, you're
[51:22] somehow less than and you're not
[51:24] included, who was the one that was
[51:26] ultimately not wanting a relationship
[51:29] with you?
[51:30] >> Myself.
[51:32] >> Bingo. And the world met you there.
[51:36] >> Mhm.
[51:37] >> [clears throat]
[51:40] >> Crazy, huh?
[51:43] It's a mad world we live in because not
[51:45] just you, but I would say pretty much
[51:47] everybody listening can can relate to
[51:50] feeling not wanted, somehow less than,
[51:52] not enough, not loved, right? These are
[51:53] these 10 prisons that I talk about, what
[51:56] I you know, share in the mastermind and
[51:58] what I'm writing about.
[52:00] And so,
[52:01] what's crazy is, here you are innocently
[52:05] looking through a lens of not feeling
[52:07] wanted, therefore asking other people to
[52:10] make you feel wanted.
[52:12] >> Yeah.
[52:14] >> But what are they doing?
[52:16] Well, they don't feel loved, so they're
[52:17] asking you to love them. Or they don't
[52:19] feel enough, so they're asking for you
[52:20] to make them feel appreciated and
[52:22] valued.
[52:23] Do you see the madness of human
[52:25] existence is that we have a story about
[52:28] ourselves that can't be fulfilled cuz
[52:30] it's a lie, but then we're asking other
[52:32] humans who are living in inadequacy and
[52:35] insecurity
[52:36] to take care of our inadequacy and
[52:38] insecurity.
[52:39] >> Yeah.
[52:42] >> You know, you don't have to be a rocket
[52:43] scientist to see why relationships don't
[52:44] work.
[52:45] >> Yeah.
[52:47] >> What's hitting you?
[52:49] >> I think what you just said about asking,
[52:51] like
[52:52] me essentially blocking love from coming
[52:56] in because I auto like inherently don't
[52:59] let it in.
[53:01] >> Yeah.
[53:01] >> Um and then asking, you know, for
[53:03] someone to give it to me.
[53:06] >> Yeah.
[53:06] >> Uh
[53:07] it just perpetuates this neediness
[53:09] because I don't get the love even though
[53:10] they might might might have given it to
[53:12] me,
[53:13] but I can't really see it. And and when
[53:15] and when I let go of some of these uh
[53:18] fears um and I have episodes in the past
[53:21] I've had in the past few months where
[53:23] I've um I could really let a lot of love
[53:25] in and then I automatically saw how it
[53:28] just changed the whole dynamic.
[53:30] But um yeah.
[53:32] >> Yeah.
[53:32] >> It's like how I do I get back to that?
[53:34] How do I stay in this um
[53:38] I know you don't like to call it state
[53:39] because it's like the inherent way
[53:42] we are.
[53:42] >> Yeah.
[53:42] >> But um
[53:44] how would you go about like what
[53:46] question would you remind me of asking
[53:48] myself at times when I don't feel that
[53:50] inherent connectedness or
[53:52] >> No, it's That's okay. So beautifully
[53:55] articulated. So a couple of things I
[53:56] want to reflect before I get to the
[53:57] question. So what you just said was so
[54:00] beautiful, right? So you're recognizing
[54:01] that the only real relationship that
[54:04] you've been working on like anyone is
[54:05] the one with yourself.
[54:07] Which you couldn't have because the way
[54:09] you've articulated who you are is that
[54:11] you're not wanted.
[54:13] That you're less than and you're not
[54:15] included, right? In those realms.
[54:17] >> Mhm.
[54:18] >> So let's look at those. So is it an
[54:19] absolute truth that you're not wanted?
[54:24] >> No.
[54:25] >> No, it's not, right? Is it an absolute
[54:27] truth that you're somehow less than?
[54:31] >> No.
[54:32] >> No. And is it an absolute truth that
[54:34] you're not inherently included?
[54:39] >> No.
[54:40] >> So now as part of your quote unquote
[54:43] homework, you know, again I teach in my
[54:45] mastermind the awareness which is
[54:47] bringing these unconscious patterns to
[54:49] the surface. So now you're aware of your
[54:52] dialogues that have been as you said
[54:54] blocking the very thing you want. Now
[54:56] it's practice. So who does your tongue
[54:58] get to be in the absence of those
[54:59] previous lies, right? If you're not not
[55:02] wanted, if you're not not included, and
[55:04] if you're not less than, you're like,
[55:06] "Oof." All these big exhales you've had,
[55:08] I could relax. I'd be so chill. Like I'd
[55:10] go up to people without worrying if they
[55:12] like me or not. I'm not trying to get
[55:14] approval. I'm just being me." That's a
[55:16] That is an entirely different you, do
[55:18] you see? That's an entirely different
[55:19] existence. You're still sitting in a
[55:21] chair talking to me on the same podcast.
[55:24] We don't even know what that feels like
[55:25] yet. You've got to get out there in the
[55:26] world and experiment, right?
[55:29] >> Yeah.
[55:30] >> So, that's one part. So, you know,
[55:32] revisit this podcast, listen to it, make
[55:34] notes, you know, you said you'd done a
[55:35] lot of self-help. This is now beyond
[55:37] self-help, right? This is
[55:38] self-realization. This is
[55:40] self-awakening. Not trying to help the
[55:42] old self, I'm getting rid of the old
[55:43] self. With all due respect, right?
[55:47] So, now you get to experience, well, who
[55:50] could I be in the absence of your
[55:51] concerns, which is one of my invitations
[55:53] for people to always ask themselves. So,
[55:56] that is the question.
[55:58] When you do feel fear, maybe there's
[55:59] someone you're really attracted to.
[56:01] Okay, when that's going to bring back
[56:02] some survival instincts, right? It's
[56:04] like, "Whoa, she's really hot. I really
[56:06] like her." Blah, blah, blah. Then it's
[56:07] like, "Shit, what if she doesn't like
[56:09] me?" Well, that's just a personal
[56:10] preference and it's only happening right
[56:12] now. She might say no now, maybe she
[56:14] doesn't feel it, maybe she has a
[56:15] boyfriend. And then guess what? You get
[56:17] a text in a week, in a month, in a year.
[56:20] So, it's staying open to the fact that
[56:22] you can't not be related, but only
[56:24] always. And based on that energy, you
[56:27] will attract the right people at the
[56:29] right time and just to trust that.
[56:33] Okay?
[56:34] >> Yeah.
[56:35] >> I know it's a lot. But I'm you know, you
[56:38] can watch this podcast yourself as many
[56:39] times as you want. Now, this is the This
[56:42] is something that again is going to blow
[56:44] people's minds. You said very accurately
[56:46] based on your previous conditioning,
[56:48] let's already make it old. You were
[56:50] looking through the lens of not wanted.
[56:52] What you wanted was love, like
[56:53] everybody.
[56:54] But you saw that because of your
[56:56] conditioning, you couldn't let the love
[56:57] in, right? You just gave this whole
[56:59] statement that was very powerful. Wow, I
[57:01] can see that there were probably people
[57:03] who really adored me. But I could never
[57:05] see it, never allow it, never feel it
[57:07] because you're too busy looking for the
[57:10] evidence that this isn't going to work
[57:11] or either you're not wanted, right? Make
[57:13] sense?
[57:14] >> Yeah.
[57:15] >> So now it changes. The game is not only
[57:19] do you let the love in, which isn't
[57:21] really letting love in, and I want
[57:24] everyone to get this, it's allowing your
[57:26] love out.
[57:29] >> Mhm.
[57:30] >> Right? [clears throat]
[57:31] And simultaneously allowing their love
[57:34] out, right? So
[57:36] meaning, and I know this gets very
[57:38] subtle, but it's powerful. It's not that
[57:41] you're letting love in, that implies
[57:43] that you're kind of empty in the love
[57:45] department.
[57:46] >> Mhm.
[57:46] >> No, you are love.
[57:49] So the joy of being in love with
[57:51] somebody isn't that they love you, it's
[57:54] that you experience how they can express
[57:58] love for themselves.
[57:59] >> Could you say that again?
[58:01] >> No. Yes, of course.
[58:04] >> [laughter]
[58:04] >> It isn't so much that you are wanting
[58:07] somebody to be in love with you, it's so
[58:11] that you are love itself, and when you
[58:13] are you're grounded in your own nature
[58:15] of love, you get to witness somebody
[58:18] find their own capacity to love.
[58:22] >> Mhm.
[58:24] Mhm.
[58:24] >> Which you are the beneficiary of, of
[58:26] course. Being in the presence of
[58:28] somebody who's experiencing their own
[58:29] love is going to have direct
[58:32] ramifications onto you versus somebody
[58:34] who's in their own expression of hate,
[58:36] anger, and worthlessness, which you
[58:38] know, can be more dysfunctional, which
[58:40] you've been experiencing like most
[58:41] people, right?
[58:42] >> Yeah.
[58:43] >> So do you see? I just It's very subtle,
[58:45] and this is very advanced. It's not that
[58:47] you're letting love in, which would
[58:49] imply that you are needing to be loved,
[58:53] right? That's how most people relate to
[58:55] relationships because most people are in
[58:57] a relationship of inadequacy with
[58:59] themselves. I'm not loved, I'm not
[59:01] wanted, I'm not enough, I'm not safe,
[59:03] I'm not worthy, whatever it is. So then
[59:05] you, person over there who's my husband,
[59:07] wife, friend, you love me so that I feel
[59:10] better about myself. That's
[59:11] manipulation. That's how relationships
[59:13] don't work. No, your opportunity now is
[59:16] to realize you were never ever looking
[59:19] for somebody else to love you.
[59:21] You were looking to get out of the
[59:22] prison that you didn't fundamentally
[59:24] know your own capacity to love.
[59:29] Do you see that?
[59:31] >> Yeah.
[59:31] >> See, when you really get your time, and
[59:33] I know how sensitive and kind and loving
[59:35] you are, when you tap into that for
[59:36] yourself, it won't matter if somebody
[59:39] wants to be with you or not.
[59:41] Because love doesn't have that agenda.
[59:45] Do you see?
[59:46] >> Yeah.
[59:46] >> Now, ironically again, like the paradox
[59:48] of that is that when you're so loving,
[59:50] people just want to be around you cuz
[59:52] everybody's looking for love,
[59:53] >> [laughter]
[59:54] >> thinking that it's going to come from
[59:55] somebody else. That's why I said the
[59:57] joke is that in, you know, couple of
[59:59] weeks, a month from now, you're going to
[1:00:00] want another podcast is like, "Holy
[1:00:02] [ __ ] before I couldn't find a
[1:00:03] relationship, now I've got too many."
[1:00:05] >> [laughter]
[1:00:07] >> You're getting there, don't worry.
[1:00:12] >> So, being the expression of love
[1:00:16] now doesn't so much let love in,
[1:00:20] but it reveals the love that you are.
[1:00:25] >> Yeah.
[1:00:25] >> And in the presence of somebody who is
[1:00:28] expressing the love that they are, other
[1:00:30] people get to do the same. At least as a
[1:00:33] possibility. Some people are going to be
[1:00:35] way too attached to their limitations
[1:00:37] and their fears and their justifications
[1:00:39] and, you know, call you an [ __ ]
[1:00:41] because, you know, threatens their story
[1:00:44] that they're not wanted. They're like,
[1:00:45] they'll have to push you away cuz you're
[1:00:47] loving. It's like, "That doesn't That
[1:00:49] doesn't work for me. I need to feel not
[1:00:50] wanted."
[1:00:51] >> Right.
[1:00:52] >> Like, people will literally sabotage
[1:00:53] relationships with somebody who adores
[1:00:56] them because they need to hold on to
[1:00:58] their story of abandonment or feeling
[1:01:00] inadequate or not wanted. It's madness.
[1:01:02] I've experienced it myself. You know,
[1:01:04] it's heartbreaking. You can love
[1:01:06] somebody as much as you love somebody,
[1:01:08] but if they're not there yet,
[1:01:11] it they're going to they're going to
[1:01:12] find evidence.
[1:01:16] Can you see that? But I mean you you
[1:01:18] were doing it.
[1:01:19] >> Yeah, I was doing it. I was experiencing
[1:01:21] myself from
[1:01:23] I was on it from both sides, yeah.
[1:01:25] >> Yeah.
[1:01:26] So now the possibility for you, my
[1:01:28] friend, is enormous because now in the
[1:01:30] absence of those lies that you're not
[1:01:32] not wanted, that you're not not
[1:01:34] included, that you're not less than,
[1:01:36] those were lies that were driving your
[1:01:38] thoughts, emotions, behaviors, and
[1:01:41] consequently creating your results.
[1:01:43] That's how physics works, right? But now
[1:01:46] you get to be somebody in the absence of
[1:01:48] those limitations who is just loving,
[1:01:50] trusting, open. That's who I meet. If
[1:01:53] they're into me, great. And if I feel
[1:01:54] the same, great. Let's just play for a
[1:01:56] while. Let's see where this goes.
[1:01:58] Not because I need to desperately find
[1:02:00] approval, which is only reinforcing the
[1:02:02] underlying belief that you're not
[1:02:03] approved for who you are. That was a
[1:02:04] lie. Now you get to explore actual
[1:02:07] relationship. What a novelty.
[1:02:10] >> [laughter]
[1:02:12] >> Isn't that cool? [clears throat]
[1:02:13] So the reason, and this comes full
[1:02:15] circle to how we started this, you
[1:02:16] couldn't have a relationship is cuz you
[1:02:18] weren't wired to be in relationship.
[1:02:21] It's physics. That's the good news.
[1:02:23] Now
[1:02:25] you get to see, oh, I'm wired for
[1:02:26] relationship because I'm inherently
[1:02:28] related to everybody.
[1:02:30] The difference is I don't know the
[1:02:31] details. That's called getting to know
[1:02:33] somebody.
[1:02:34] Right? That's the beauty of like getting
[1:02:36] to know somebody's story. But underneath
[1:02:37] it, guess what? Like mycelium underneath
[1:02:40] the soil, it's all connected.
[1:02:42] Consciousness is inherently connected.
[1:02:45] >> [snorts]
[1:02:45] >> Then whether you like their values and
[1:02:47] whether your hobbies align or, you know,
[1:02:49] they you know, they like to sleep in a
[1:02:51] really cold room and you like a warm
[1:02:53] room, it's like, okay, you figure that
[1:02:54] [ __ ] out and it does it works or it
[1:02:56] doesn't, you know? That's just personal
[1:02:57] preference.
[1:02:58] >> Mhm.
[1:03:01] >> But doesn't that just take the the the
[1:03:03] the gravity and the heaviness of it all
[1:03:05] off?
[1:03:06] >> Yeah. [laughter]
[1:03:06] >> Isn't that nice?
[1:03:09] Yeah.
[1:03:10] >> It's just taking a It just takes a while
[1:03:12] to like
[1:03:13] imagine those situations or
[1:03:15] um
[1:03:16] >> Well, of course, cuz you have to right
[1:03:17] now imagine cuz you're still sitting at
[1:03:19] home in a chair that, you know, we
[1:03:20] started this conversation where over an
[1:03:22] hour ago you were literally in a world
[1:03:24] where you couldn't connect with people.
[1:03:27] Now I'm showing you an entirely new
[1:03:28] world, which can be jarring for the
[1:03:30] nervous system, exciting for the heart,
[1:03:32] cuz you're obviously a loving guy.
[1:03:34] But yeah, you got to get out there in
[1:03:35] the field and and start playing and
[1:03:37] practicing.
[1:03:38] >> Yeah.
[1:03:41] >> But that's cool. That's fun. That's your
[1:03:43] your assignment, your mission if you
[1:03:44] choose to accept.
[1:03:46] >> Yeah.
[1:03:46] >> This message will self-destruct in 5
[1:03:48] seconds.
[1:03:49] >> [laughter]
[1:03:52] >> Anyway.
[1:03:54] So, um
[1:03:56] you ready to go out there and play, meet
[1:03:57] some people who you already related to,
[1:03:59] but you don't necessarily know?
[1:04:02] >> Yeah.
[1:04:03] >> Isn't that cool?
[1:04:05] >> Yeah.
[1:04:06] >> Yeah.
[1:04:07] That's fun.
[1:04:08] >> Yeah, it's exciting exciting to Yeah.
[1:04:11] >> Yeah.
[1:04:12] Shed those those those barriers.
[1:04:16] >> Yeah.
[1:04:16] >> can't wait, cuz we'll check in. I can't
[1:04:18] wait to find out, you know, what that
[1:04:19] looks like in a few weeks, in a couple
[1:04:21] of months, or whatever. And it's like,
[1:04:22] holy [ __ ] like, you know?
[1:04:24] >> Yeah.
[1:04:24] >> the most amazing people. I feel so
[1:04:26] relaxed around people. If they want to
[1:04:28] not communicate for a while,
[1:04:30] you you let people be, you know? If they
[1:04:32] don't want to If they don't speak to you
[1:04:34] for a few days, or they change their
[1:04:35] mind, that's okay.
[1:04:38] Love didn't go anywhere, cuz you are
[1:04:39] love.
[1:04:41] How cool is that?
[1:04:42] >> Yeah.
[1:04:44] Yeah.
[1:04:46] >> Where's the desperation in that world?
[1:04:51] >> Yeah.
[1:04:53] >> There's none, right?
[1:04:56] No neediness.
[1:04:58] And that, my friend, is that is
[1:05:00] attraction itself.
[1:05:02] A human being who doesn't need anything
[1:05:04] or even want anything from anybody else
[1:05:07] is incredibly attractive.
[1:05:10] >> Yeah.
[1:05:12] >> Do you see that?
[1:05:13] >> Definitely.
[1:05:15] >> That's your opportunity now to embody
[1:05:17] that.
[1:05:18] Not as another pretense, not as trying
[1:05:19] to be cool as, you know, the guy who
[1:05:21] doesn't need anyone, but like as a
[1:05:22] genuine experience. That's going to take
[1:05:24] a little while for you to to harness and
[1:05:26] integrate. That's okay.
[1:05:28] >> Yeah.
[1:05:28] >> But at least you now understand the
[1:05:29] principles by which you were being
[1:05:32] driven through no fault of your own that
[1:05:34] would lead to the fact that you couldn't
[1:05:36] have relationships. It's like, "Oh my
[1:05:37] god, no wonder."
[1:05:40] >> Yeah.
[1:05:40] >> So your time suddenly became available.
[1:05:42] You're you know, welcome to planet
[1:05:44] Earth. Welcome to relating.
[1:05:46] >> Wow.
[1:05:48] >> [laughter]
[1:05:48] >> Yeah, this is really cool. This is
[1:05:50] really cool to hear.
[1:05:52] What you're saying and just being just
[1:05:53] being here, you know. I just needed to
[1:05:55] hear I knew all this. I needed to hear
[1:05:57] it from you though.
[1:05:58] >> Yeah, of course. I'm going to I'm going
[1:06:00] to say you didn't know all of it, but
[1:06:02] >> [laughter]
[1:06:05] >> Yeah, that's okay. You understand it
[1:06:07] now.
[1:06:07] >> Yeah.
[1:06:09] >> Amazing.
[1:06:11] Okay, well you you ready to take on your
[1:06:13] mission and get out there and start
[1:06:15] meeting people from a place of lack of
[1:06:17] need, lack of desperation, and just
[1:06:19] genuine curiosity?
[1:06:21] >> Yeah.
[1:06:24] >> Pretty cool, huh?
[1:06:26] How does that feel in your body now?
[1:06:29] You know, you said we had the
[1:06:30] compression on your chest. You've had
[1:06:32] some big exhales, so I'm guessing that
[1:06:35] the body feels a little different.
[1:06:37] >> I think I I feeling a bit you know,
[1:06:41] >> Jiggly?
[1:06:41] >> [laughter]
[1:06:42] >> Yeah, in a good way. Like not from some
[1:06:44] nervousness from like
[1:06:46] kind of holy [ __ ] this is happening
[1:06:47] kind of way. Holy [ __ ]
[1:06:49] >> Yeah.
[1:06:50] >> You know?
[1:06:50] >> Yeah. It is a holy [ __ ] I mean, I
[1:06:52] listen, I don't want to in any way
[1:06:54] dismiss the power of these
[1:06:55] conversations, and it can be jarring,
[1:06:57] you know, wait till I you know, you've
[1:06:59] seen conversations I have with 30, 40,
[1:07:01] 50-year-olds. It's even more
[1:07:02] disorienting, right? Cuz they've had you
[1:07:04] know, three, four more decades of
[1:07:06] evidence than you. You know, at least
[1:07:08] you're sort of still a young buck, and
[1:07:10] it's convincing the way that you've you
[1:07:12] know, conditioned yourself is just not
[1:07:13] true.
[1:07:14] But when you free a mind, you know, that
[1:07:16] has been in a prison for 20, 40, 50
[1:07:19] years, it's like, "Whoa."
[1:07:21] >> Whoa, yeah.
[1:07:22] >> Yeah, it's like, "Holy [ __ ] what is it?
[1:07:25] What is this place, you know?
[1:07:28] Yeah, so that's okay. You you will
[1:07:30] integrate. You're a smart guy. You'll
[1:07:32] listen to this again and life
[1:07:34] energetically is going to support you
[1:07:35] cuz as you shift into different
[1:07:37] frequencies, you're going to have
[1:07:39] automatically, you know, you know, you
[1:07:41] might even when you go to check your
[1:07:42] phone from here, you might have an
[1:07:44] unusual text, an unusual email, a missed
[1:07:46] call from somebody that like, oh wow,
[1:07:49] you know, cuz the universe it's
[1:07:50] instantaneous, you know, once you shift
[1:07:52] a frequency
[1:07:54] it's like, whoa. Do you see that?
[1:07:56] >> Yeah, and I I've noticed it in times
[1:07:58] where in like I had a few days where
[1:08:00] this where I felt that I didn't have
[1:08:03] these underlying fears and patterns that
[1:08:06] just immediately things just uh
[1:08:08] >> Yeah.
[1:08:09] >> Pop up.
[1:08:10] >> Show up.
[1:08:11] >> Yeah.
[1:08:11] >> Yeah, it is instantaneous.
[1:08:13] >> I have I have a like a a last question
[1:08:16] or something that if if
[1:08:18] >> Okay, go ahead.
[1:08:19] >> Um I obviously want a gang of community.
[1:08:22] I've always like a um complained that I
[1:08:25] couldn't find these relationships, this
[1:08:27] gang, like a group of a friend group.
[1:08:30] And I find that I'm a bit awkward uh
[1:08:32] around like um I want to hang out with
[1:08:35] this friend, but then they invite their
[1:08:38] friend and I don't I'm not I don't
[1:08:41] really like them or I don't have a good
[1:08:42] vibe with them or there's I don't know
[1:08:44] whatever. They're not my type or
[1:08:46] whatever. And I
[1:08:49] it's like I'm inviting uh
[1:08:53] um
[1:08:54] like friends and stuff, but then I'm
[1:08:56] kind of rejecting the thing that it
[1:08:58] comes with
[1:09:00] >> Okay.
[1:09:01] >> How do I like not be awkward around this
[1:09:04] like like saying yes to this person, not
[1:09:06] this to this like, you know.
[1:09:08] >> Yeah, I think there's an expression uh
[1:09:10] and I don't know who it's from and I'm
[1:09:11] terribly paraphrasing it, but it's like
[1:09:13] somebody said, you know, I don't like
[1:09:15] this person. I must get to know them
[1:09:17] better.
[1:09:19] >> Hm.
[1:09:22] >> Right? Did you Do you hear what that
[1:09:24] appeals to? Meaning you've created a
[1:09:26] judgment of them, but if you recognize
[1:09:29] underneath the spirit that is everybody,
[1:09:31] everybody has a heart,
[1:09:32] that there's something that I don't know
[1:09:34] about them that would allow me to maybe
[1:09:36] get rid of the judgment.
[1:09:39] >> Mhm. Yeah.
[1:09:42] >> Do you see that?
[1:09:43] >> Yeah.
[1:09:45] >> Yeah, so again it invites curiosity.
[1:09:47] Before you were in fear, control,
[1:09:49] manipulation with an agenda, now you can
[1:09:51] be in curiosity. And you still don't
[1:09:53] need to like the person, you don't need
[1:09:54] to invite them around to Thanksgiving or
[1:09:56] holidays or whatever. You know, that's
[1:09:58] okay.
[1:10:00] But
[1:10:01] I would invite you to get
[1:10:03] um behind your judgments of others.
[1:10:08] And again, look, there's some people out
[1:10:09] there who are atrocious, you know, there
[1:10:10] are people out there who are doing
[1:10:12] horrific things in the world. There are
[1:10:14] certain people that I don't know
[1:10:16] personally, but I know because of
[1:10:18] you know, things that have been
[1:10:19] released, different files, shall we say,
[1:10:21] that we know how people have been
[1:10:23] treating children, animals, whatever.
[1:10:25] You know, it's like they're not
[1:10:26] necessarily my kind of tribe, you know.
[1:10:28] But I'm not going to judge, they have
[1:10:30] their own karma to play out. That's
[1:10:31] okay, that's on them. Karma's going to
[1:10:33] take care of the details, I always tell
[1:10:35] people, right? So, I would just be open,
[1:10:37] you know, if these are friends of your
[1:10:39] friends, you know, you you like friend
[1:10:41] A, but you don't like their friend B,
[1:10:43] that's okay, you know, there's probably
[1:10:45] something that you just don't know about
[1:10:47] them that could be that like, "Oh, wow,
[1:10:48] I didn't even realize that we have this
[1:10:51] in common." or
[1:10:52] you know?
[1:10:53] >> Yeah.
[1:10:55] >> Just stay open.
[1:10:58] Okay?
[1:10:59] >> Yeah.
[1:11:00] Sounds good.
[1:11:02] >> Well, Tom, it's a pleasure to be with
[1:11:03] you. Thank you for finally coming to
[1:11:05] meet and relate with another human
[1:11:08] being.
[1:11:09] >> Yeah. I'm I'm
[1:11:11] this is
[1:11:12] it's been a pleasure and I I was just so
[1:11:14] excited to hear that this is was going
[1:11:15] to happen and uh
[1:11:16] and I'm glad it did. Have a lot to think
[1:11:18] about.
[1:11:19] >> Yeah, there's a lot to I know a lot I've
[1:11:21] sort of dropped some advanced
[1:11:23] distinctions there, but I I just
[1:11:25] appealed to your intelligence and I I
[1:11:26] really get how much you care, how loving
[1:11:29] you are. I can really see how much it
[1:11:32] means to you to connect with people. And
[1:11:34] so, I really wanted to give you as much
[1:11:37] uh
[1:11:38] insight as I could, so that you can
[1:11:40] really honor the size of heart you have,
[1:11:42] so you start to connect with people and
[1:11:44] express the love that you are.
[1:11:47] >> Yeah, I'm really grateful.
[1:11:50] Thank you.
[1:11:50] >> Pleasure to be with you, my friend.
[1:11:53] Okay, well, go out there and be loving.
[1:11:55] Meet people who you've always been
[1:11:56] connected to, you just didn't know the
[1:11:58] details of their life.
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