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[0:00] encountered the dharma, there was
[0:03] nothing, you know, nowhere to go to
[0:06] learn and in the in the US at that time
[0:10] really. And uh you know, thinking, oh,
[0:14] what do what do I do? Oh, I have to go
[0:17] across halfway across the world. Um you
[0:21] know, and then now it's like there's so
[0:24] many possibilities, so many teachings,
[0:27] so many courses, retreats. It's like
[0:30] people don't know what to do. They
[0:32] choose one thing and then, oh, I want to
[0:34] go over there. That looks like a better
[0:36] idea. Oh, let's go over there, you know.
[0:39] Yeah. So, you know, there's there's
[0:42] that, but there's uh also lots of real
[0:46] sincere interest and and good teachers.
[0:50] Now, I mean, to have somebody like uh
[0:54] Gishi top is quite amazing. Yeah. And um
[1:00] [clears throat] uh Kachina and I went
[1:01] this afternoon. I wanted to ask him
[1:04] about uh some questions about uh doing a
[1:08] book on Amitaba. [clears throat]
[1:10] And when we first came in, his face
[1:13] looked very very old. You know, he
[1:17] looked very old, very wrinkled. But as
[1:20] he started talking about the dharma, his
[1:24] face changed
[1:26] >> and he got you know 20 30 years younger
[1:30] [laughter] and he he was quite happy
[1:32] talking about the dharma. Yeah. So that
[1:36] that is did you notice that too? Yeah.
[1:39] It's uh quite uh apparent how much he
[1:45] lives for the dharma and how he has a
[1:48] meaningful life because of the dharma
[1:52] and he you know I think that's part of
[1:55] why he has lived so long. It's not
[1:57] because he's taking 50 million
[1:59] supplements, you know, [laughter] it's
[2:02] because he, you know, he he has a strong
[2:06] motivation because his life is really
[2:08] meaningful. Yeah. So, very good example
[2:14] for us. Yeah.
[2:17] So um just to tell you a little bit
[2:21] about why I went to talk with him uh and
[2:24] I told him this is uh I lived in
[2:27] Singapore for some time and then I've uh
[2:31] you know been to Malaysia, Indonesia,
[2:35] Taiwan and given talks in all those
[2:37] places and [snorts] the purand practice
[2:40] is one of their favorites there and
[2:44] especially with the older generation
[2:47] but also with the younger generation,
[2:49] our FOSA supporters, some of them love
[2:53] to chant Amito.
[2:56] So, um
[2:58] you know, but they they many people
[3:01] there don't have a a very good
[3:04] understanding
[3:05] of why you do that, who Amitaba is, what
[3:09] this the his pure land is and so on. And
[3:14] uh some years ago I gave one one just
[3:17] one talk about this at Pocasi Monastery
[3:22] um you [clears throat] know talking a
[3:23] little bit about the causes that you
[3:25] have to create to be born in the pure
[3:27] land. It's not just you know because
[3:29] they say well this sutra says if you say
[3:32] ammo
[3:35] to 10 times you will be born in
[3:37] sukavati.
[3:41] really, you know, uh, that just doesn't
[3:45] make much sense. I I haven't checked
[3:47] that scriptural source. It must be
[3:49] somewhere in the Chinese scriptures or
[3:52] something. I've got to check it. But um
[3:56] you know and so I gave just this talk
[3:58] talking about you know the three
[4:00] principal aspects of the path and how
[4:03] important that was to uh have some
[4:06] understanding if we want to go to the
[4:08] pure land and progress on the path to
[4:10] Buddhahood. And people came up to me
[4:13] afterwards and said wow I never knew
[4:18] that about the pure land practice. They
[4:21] were so surprised.
[4:23] So at that time then I thought oh it
[4:27] would be very good to do a book about
[4:30] this. Okay. So I've investigated a
[4:34] little bit. You know there's the two
[4:36] sutras that Gashila spoke about in the
[4:39] Tibetan scriptures in canon. There's
[4:42] three Amitaba sutras in the Chinese
[4:45] cannon. And the uh third one has many
[4:49] ways of meditating on Amitab and the
[4:52] pure land. So it will be interesting to
[4:55] research. But um
[4:58] yeah, what he gave this past week with
[5:02] Jon Kappa's commentary is just
[5:05] fantastic, you know, and explaining it
[5:08] quite, you know, step by step and how it
[5:12] works. Uh, one question I asked him
[5:15] today, uh, which I think is probably
[5:18] good for everybody to know the answer to
[5:22] is, especially if you're going to
[5:23] Singapore and and Taiwan, is uh, well,
[5:27] what about the people who say yes, I can
[5:30] uh, be born there by saying Amitaba's
[5:33] name 10 times or yes, all it takes is,
[5:37] you know, having strong faith and
[5:39] remembering Amitaba at the time I Hi.
[5:42] Um, so you know, why do I need to do
[5:45] anything else? And then they said, you
[5:47] know, this is what my teacher said or
[5:49] this is what, you know, some some
[5:52] scripture said somewhere.
[5:55] And uh Gila was really you know
[5:58] explaining and he's he's done did this
[6:01] during the course too of how the Buddha
[6:05] uh teaches according to people's
[6:09] mentality what their disposition is what
[6:12] their interest is you know and so he
[6:15] says different things to different
[6:17] people he prescribes different uh
[6:20] practices to different people
[6:23] and so Ga is saying yeah for some people
[6:27] you know if you're quite old if you uh
[6:30] are infirm
[6:32] you know you're sick or you can't think
[6:35] clearly or you're illiterate you know
[6:39] which I think was maybe one of the
[6:41] reasons why in China at the beginning it
[6:44] you know they had this belief that you
[6:47] didn't need to do much was because
[6:50] people needed to do something virtuous
[6:52] and they certainly couldn't study all
[6:55] the scriptures and all if they couldn't
[6:57] read um yeah so the Buddha taught these
[7:02] things for those people and so in the
[7:05] book to say okay for these people he
[7:08] taught you know these array of causes to
[7:12] to be born and for these people you know
[7:15] this is is what is appropriate and it's
[7:18] certainly virtuous and he talked also
[7:22] about you know encouraging ing those
[7:24] people to do uh not just meditate and
[7:28] say Amitaba's name but do virtuous
[7:31] actions now and then dedicate their
[7:34] merit. Yeah. And [clears throat] so um
[7:38] it was very helpful because when I do
[7:41] the book I don't want to turn some
[7:44] people off. I don't want it to sound
[7:46] like an elitist thing that, you know,
[7:49] you have to, you know, study all these
[7:52] scriptures and d and meditate 54 hours
[7:56] every day. Um, you know, but I also
[8:00] didn't want to go along with the other
[8:02] thing and say, okay, just say your 10
[8:04] ammo nomfos and you're all set. Um so
[8:09] explaining it in this way about how the
[8:11] Buddha taught differently for different
[8:14] people you know and then that makes
[8:17] whatever somebody is doing beneficial
[8:20] for them.
[8:22] Whereas if you tell somebody to do
[8:24] something that they can't really do
[8:28] Yeah. then they get discouraged. They
[8:30] get fed up. They quit.
[8:33] Yeah. And this is something that we see
[8:36] in the west a lot. You know, people take
[8:40] tantric empowerments very soon. Or they
[8:44] hear about
[8:46] Yeah. You know, Millera and you just
[8:50] find your cave and eat nettles and
[8:52] you're going to come out in a few years.
[8:54] You'll be all green, but you'll be a
[8:56] Buddha, you know. And then you can go to
[8:59] Times Square and CNN will interview you
[9:02] and they'll do a documentary on you and
[9:04] you'll be famous and then you can check
[9:07] that off your your you know bucket list.
[9:11] Um and then they, you know, they find
[9:13] their cave. It's it's he it's aircon.
[9:17] It's heated. It's, you know, has a nice,
[9:20] you know, really nice posh cave. They
[9:23] meditate there and then they come out
[9:26] and like uh
[9:29] you know I haven't changed very much
[9:32] and I haven't realized anything or you
[9:36] know whatever and uh and then they say
[9:39] you know Buddhism doesn't work but
[9:43] that's because they were practicing
[9:45] something that wasn't at their own
[9:49] level. one factor. Second factor is
[9:53] westerners tend to be very
[9:56] um set the bar for for themselves very
[10:00] high. Okay. So if I can attain
[10:03] enlightenment in one life, I'm going to
[10:06] do that. Okay. I don't want this 10, you
[10:09] know, three countless great eons
[10:12] business. It's too long. I have
[10:14] important things to do. Yeah. like make
[10:17] a lot of money and you know make make a
[10:20] machine that's smarter than people.
[10:22] Yeah. Yeah. You know um you know so then
[10:27] then when they can't actualize what they
[10:31] want because it's it's totally
[10:33] unrealistic for for what they're
[10:35] practicing and what their level is and
[10:38] and what they're coming in with. Then
[10:41] they just say you know uh what's the
[10:44] use? doesn't work.
[10:46] Yeah. And that that's a real pity.
[10:50] That's a real pity. And that thing of
[10:53] setting the bar real high,
[10:56] you know, even if you don't play out
[10:59] what I just described there. This is why
[11:02] so many people after they practice for a
[11:06] while get depressed and get down on
[11:09] themselves because they really thought
[11:12] okay you know I can do a little bit of
[11:14] practice and you know all my trauma
[11:17] issues are going to be gone all my you
[11:21] know uh
[11:23] you know insecurity is going to be gone
[11:26] and no it doesn't work like that. Yeah.
[11:30] But we often uh
[11:34] you know we want the result without
[11:36] creating the cause
[11:39] or we want to create a small cause and
[11:42] get a big result you know and that's why
[11:44] I told you a couple of years ago when I
[11:47] was at the center in Long Beach so many
[11:51] people were asking song rivete and
[11:54] saying
[11:56] you know why is the path so long why is
[12:00] It's so hard. [groaning and snorts]
[12:03] Yeah. And as if they expected him to
[12:07] say, "Oh, well, you know, I can change
[12:10] the path and make it shorter." It's
[12:13] like, you know, wait a minute. You can't
[12:17] things
[12:19] require certain causes and you can't,
[12:22] you know, we can't go and change what
[12:25] causes bring what results and and so on.
[12:29] So you know this is the way it is and
[12:31] this is how you have to cultivate it and
[12:36] you know don't don't get this airy fair
[12:40] very you know you know what I mean I
[12:43] think most people the first year or so
[12:46] you know first 10 years you know you're
[12:49] you're in that that thing you know and
[12:52] of course you know people go through
[12:54] this thing of thinking you know I'm
[12:57] really You know, I'm I'm a llama and
[13:01] they just haven't identified me yet.
[13:04] Yeah. I can't tell you how many of those
[13:06] people in Disalah. Yeah. And you know,
[13:10] because I have so much attraction to
[13:12] Buddhism and so you know, I must be an
[13:15] incarnate llama and they haven't found
[13:18] me yet.
[13:20] Yeah. And and then you know Yeah. So
[13:25] it's so my point is here it's [snorts]
[13:28] so easy for our ego and our our wish for
[13:35] attention to get all muddled up with
[13:40] actual true dharma practice so that
[13:43] [clears throat]
[13:44] you know we get discouraged or we get
[13:47] arrogant or we have problems. Yeah.
[13:53] Yeah. So um yeah
[13:58] so slowly create the cause be satisfied.
[14:04] Yeah. Being satisfied is very difficult
[14:07] for us westerners. Have you noticed?
[14:11] >> Yeah. We always you know because we
[14:14] we're educated so we're taught to think
[14:16] critically. So everything can be tweaked
[14:20] and improved
[14:22] and it is improved. You know how many
[14:25] ads do we see for new improved
[14:29] dishwashing soap that for sure will make
[14:32] your husband love you again. Yeah.
[14:36] Because you have soft hands. Your hands
[14:38] are as soft as your daughter's hands.
[14:41] And you know, you have Hand by Hand on
[14:44] the commercial and you know, and he
[14:47] comes along and gives her a big kiss and
[14:49] like, "Okay, we all go out and buy that
[14:52] laundry detergent or dishwashing
[14:54] detergent."
[14:56] You know, we we always want something
[14:59] better
[15:00] and easier and quicker.
[15:05] Yeah. And uh we you know and it creates
[15:09] the cause to get really down on
[15:12] ourselves because we start expecting too
[15:15] much.
[15:17] Yeah. So be careful of that in your
[15:20] practice.
[15:22] [snorts]
[15:23] Lama used to go around and say good
[15:26] enough dear.
[15:29] Yeah. Good enough dear. No llama you
[15:32] don't understand it. what I'm doing is
[15:34] not good enough. No, it can be improved
[15:38] [laughter] and would say good enough
[15:40] dear.
[15:42] Called everybody dear.
[15:47] So yeah, self-acceptance
[15:49] very important.
[15:52] Okay. So um that was the motivation
[15:57] for what I'm not sure but
[16:00] you know for for our talk this evening.
[16:03] So let's uh start
[16:06] you know with imagining the uh mirror
[16:11] field in the space in front of us
[16:16] and ourselves surrounded by all sentient
[16:18] beings.
[16:37] To the teacher endowed transcendent
[16:38] destroyer one destroyer completely and
[16:42] fully awaken one perfect in knowledge
[16:44] and good conduct. One gaunt of bliss of
[16:47] the world supreme god of beings to be
[16:49] tamed. Teacher of gods and humans to you
[16:52] the Buddha and transcendent destroyer
[16:54] glorious conqueror shaky I prostrate
[16:57] make offerings and go for refuge when I
[17:00] supreme among humans you were born on
[17:01] this earth you pay seven strides and
[17:03] said I am supreme in this world to you
[17:06] who are wise then I bow with your body's
[17:09] form supremely fine wisdom motion like a
[17:12] golden mountain fame that blazes in the
[17:15] three worlds [singing] winner of the
[17:17] best supreme guide to you I bow With the
[17:20] supreme sign face like a spotless moon
[17:22] color [singing] like gold to you I bow.
[17:25] You are immaculate. The three worlds are
[17:28] not incomparable. Wise one to you I bow.
[17:31] Great compassionate protector. All
[17:33] knowing teacher field of merit and good
[17:36] qualities as an ocean to the I bow.
[17:40] Through purity freeing from attachment
[17:43] through virtue freeing from the lower
[17:45] realms. unique supreme ultimate reality
[17:49] to the dharma that is peace I bow having
[17:52] freed themselves showing the path of
[17:54] freedom to well established in the
[17:57] trainings though field endowed with good
[18:00] qualities to the sa I bow do not commit
[18:04] any nonverirtuous actions perform only
[18:07] perfect virtuous actions subdue your
[18:10] mind completely this is a teaching of
[18:12] the Buddha a star a mirage a flame of a
[18:16] An illusion, a drop of dew, a bubble, a
[18:19] dream, a flash of lightning, a cloud,
[18:21] see condition things as such. Through
[18:24] this merit may sient beings attain the
[18:27] state of all seeing, subdue the faux
[18:29] faults, and be delivered from the ocean
[18:31] of cyclic existence perturbed by the
[18:34] waves of aging sickness and death.
[18:39] This ground anointed [singing]
[18:43] with perfume.
[18:46] Flowers [singing]
[18:48] strewn Mount Maru
[18:53] for land [singing]
[18:54] sun and moonended
[19:01] as a Buddha land and offered to you
[19:06] [singing]
[19:07] may all beings
[19:11] and enjoy [singing]
[19:14] this pure
[19:17] venerable
[19:20] [singing]
[19:21] gurus
[19:23] in the space of [singing]
[19:26] your truth body
[19:30] from bellowing [singing]
[19:33] clouds of your wisdom and love. Let
[19:38] [singing] fall the rain of the profound
[19:41] and excessive
[19:44] [singing] arma
[19:47] in whatever form is suitable for
[19:51] subduing.
[19:53] [singing]
[20:01] [singing]
[20:04] I take refuge until I have awakened in
[20:07] the Buddha, the dharma and the song. By
[20:11] the merit I create by listening to the
[20:15] dharma. I will attain Buddhahood in
[20:19] order to benefit all sentient beings. I
[20:23] take refuge until I have awakened in the
[20:27] Buddha, the dharma and the song. By the
[20:31] merit I create by listening to the
[20:34] dharma. I will attain Buddhahood in
[20:39] order to benefit all sentient beings. I
[20:42] take refuge until I have awakened in the
[20:46] Buddha, the dharma and the song. By the
[20:50] merit I create by listening to the
[20:53] dharma, I will attain Buddhahood in
[20:58] order to benefit all sentient beings.
[22:34] So generate your bodhicha motivation
[22:39] because bodhicha is
[22:43] the only thing worthwhile to do in
[22:45] samsara when you think deeply about it.
[22:51] Yeah. what are our other choices?
[22:55] They all
[22:57] uh
[22:59] don't really accomplish what the world
[23:01] needs and what we want to
[23:05] be able to do to contribute to the
[23:08] benefit of others.
[23:11] So cultivate
[23:13] the aspiration for full Buddhahood
[23:17] to have the wisdom, compassion and
[23:20] skillful means to be of great benefit.
[23:23] [clears throat]
[23:45] >> [music]
[23:54] >> Okay.
[23:56] So,
[24:01] we're in the middle of going through the
[24:03] four establishments
[24:06] [clears throat]
[24:06] of mindfulness,
[24:08] specifically mindfulness of phenomena.
[24:12] And within that we were doing uh
[24:15] mindfulness of the
[24:18] um the five hindrances. [laughter]
[24:21] Okay. So
[24:24] there I wanted to review that a little
[24:26] bit how to go about some of this, you
[24:30] know, because they were talking about
[24:34] okay that it they gave his holiness gave
[24:38] more of an example with sensual desire
[24:41] but it applies equally for malice,
[24:44] lethargy and sleepiness and so on. But
[24:48] it's you know if you get distracted in
[24:51] your meditation
[24:53] um or you could just start your
[24:55] meditation off for
[24:58] you know then when it says distracted
[25:01] then you know notice it and go back to
[25:04] that that's in the context of your
[25:06] creating trying to generate serenity.
[25:09] Okay. But if you're doing these um
[25:14] meditations
[25:16] on the uh the mindfulness of the of
[25:20] these four objects, then you you
[25:24] [clears throat] start right with
[25:25] meditation on that particular object.
[25:28] Okay. So it was how how do you how are
[25:33] you mindful let's say of malice or um
[25:38] sensual desire or any of them and he
[25:42] said just put your mind on it and
[25:46] observe that mental state
[25:50] okay so if it's sensual desire it could
[25:55] be well what are the characteristics of
[25:57] sensual desire how I How do I know I
[26:00] have that?
[26:02] Yeah. Or how do I know that there's
[26:05] malice in my mind? Well, there's got to
[26:08] be certain characteristics
[26:10] or certain things that we're focusing
[26:12] on, certain moods, you know, whatever.
[26:16] Yeah. So to to really identify what that
[26:21] mental state is and then what causes it.
[26:26] Yeah. And not just glibly say ignorance
[26:30] but look at our own life experience in
[26:33] what situations
[26:35] does uh you know sensual desire arise.
[26:41] Yeah. Well, it's [snorts]
[26:43] not when you see bony uh down in in the
[26:47] library. Oh, it's not that. H what is
[26:51] it? Oh, it's some attractive person. Oh.
[26:55] Hm. You know, and then you start paying
[26:58] attention during your life
[27:02] to how your mind and body react, you
[27:05] know, when you see somebody who's
[27:07] attractive and you check also, you know,
[27:09] how the body reacts when you're angry,
[27:12] you know, you can often feel that in
[27:15] your body. Yeah. So to really examine
[27:19] and observe those mental states, not
[27:21] just say, "Oh, I have this distraction.
[27:25] and I got to get rid of it. Okay. Now,
[27:28] of course, sometimes if you're trying to
[27:30] develop serenity, yeah, you don't want
[27:33] to spend hour after hour observing the
[27:36] distraction. You often want to apply an
[27:40] antidote, lessen it, and so then you can
[27:43] go back to your object of of meditation.
[27:46] Um but in this mindfulness you're really
[27:50] you know yeah h what makes it arise
[27:55] is it permanent or impermanent sit there
[27:58] and watch and can you see how your anger
[28:02] changes over time or does it remain
[28:05] constant?
[28:07] And what do you do when you're angry?
[28:10] Well, some of us like to ruminate.
[28:14] Who likes to ruminate?
[28:17] Yeah. Oh boy. Yeah. Let's waste our time
[28:22] ruminating
[28:23] and you know and then creating the
[28:27] horror stories of what's going to happen
[28:30] because this person's mad at me and I'm
[28:33] mad at them and oh, you know. Okay. So,
[28:38] um you know, you just see Yeah. Well,
[28:40] why do I ruminate?
[28:43] Why aren't I doing what I'm what what do
[28:46] I expect to get out of ruminating?
[28:52] Yeah. Now, if you ruminate
[28:55] a lot, you know, this is a really
[28:58] interesting question,
[29:00] you know, because you have the judge and
[29:03] the jury and the prosecutor and the DA
[29:06] and everybody on your side convicting
[29:10] this person who did this awful thing
[29:14] like like what did they do? They, you
[29:18] know, oh, the turkey pooped on the on
[29:22] the side. Yeah. How dare they? What are
[29:25] we going to do about the turkeys? Can't
[29:27] we change turkeys? You know, do we need
[29:29] to go to a turkey training class? Do we
[29:33] need to have a a roa of cleaning up the
[29:37] the uh walkway because they go out there
[29:40] every day and you know, I'm tired of
[29:43] being the person nobody else does it.
[29:46] And you know, and then you know, at what
[29:49] point do you do you clean it up? Because
[29:52] if you move it too soon, it's gushy and
[29:55] it gets your broom or your shoe dirty.
[29:58] But if you if you wait too long, then
[30:02] when you kick it, it just flakes and it
[30:04] flies apart and you wind up with a
[30:06] little a bunch of particles, you know.
[30:09] So, how to find the exact time to kick
[30:13] it, you know, or to sweep it and, you
[30:16] know, Yeah. just can we train the
[30:19] turkeys somehow? Um,
[30:23] yeah. And you we could go on a long time
[30:25] about this. So, imagine what we do when
[30:28] it's a human being.
[30:30] Yeah. And Yeah. No, they're they're not
[30:34] going potty out there, [laughter] but
[30:36] you know, but it's a human being who
[30:39] made us angry, you know, we're mad at a
[30:42] person. Yeah. Well, it could be for
[30:45] something equally as important. They
[30:48] forget to flush the toilet, you know, or
[30:50] they flush it too much.
[30:53] Yeah. And you we got to save water.
[30:56] Yeah. So, at what point is it okay to
[30:58] flush it? And yeah, so um yeah to to
[31:04] watch how the mind works and why am I
[31:07] doing that? What am I getting out of
[31:09] that?
[31:11] You know, and then what happens to to
[31:15] you know this malice that I feel or this
[31:17] sensual desire does it naturally fade
[31:20] away? Well, it may decrease after a
[31:24] while. I get tired of it, but it's going
[31:27] to come back again. probably just as
[31:29] strong because I haven't really
[31:32] understood it and seen how it's, you
[31:36] know, why is it called a hindrance? We
[31:38] haven't seen its fault. We haven't seen
[31:41] how it's an unrealistic attitude.
[31:44] You know, it's seeing impermanent things
[31:47] as permanent. It's grasping at a self.
[31:50] You know, we haven't understood that.
[31:53] So, okay. So that's kind of what we
[31:57] covered last week. So it was
[31:59] interesting, you know, relate this to to
[32:02] life. Um I got an email um this week
[32:07] from, you know, somebody who's been to
[32:09] the abbey several times, really
[32:12] interested in the dharma, likes to
[32:15] practice,
[32:18] but he's been practicing for a while and
[32:20] now he just feels like his practice is
[32:24] flat.
[32:26] You know, it's just, you know, not so
[32:29] much interest,
[32:31] a little bit boring. The PL that he used
[32:34] to be so excited and so motivated and he
[32:39] doesn't have that feeling now. How come
[32:41] I see a lot of nodding heads?
[32:44] Are there other people that this has
[32:46] happened to? Anybody who it's never
[32:49] happened to.
[32:54] Um, yes, of course this happens. We
[32:57] start out enthusiastic
[32:59] and then after a while it's like
[33:03] I take reuge
[33:06] and something or another. When is this
[33:10] session's going to be over? Um, you
[33:13] know, I exaggerate, but you know what I
[33:16] mean. [snorts] Okay. Um and so I thought
[33:20] actually that in reply to his question
[33:24] because he's saying you know what can I
[33:26] do? I think that you know watching this
[33:32] like it's described here you know
[33:35] instead of getting angry instead of
[33:38] getting depressed instead of telling
[33:41] yourself it's too hard or you can't do
[33:44] it or who knows what. Yeah, just watch
[33:50] that mind. The uninterested,
[33:54] bored mind.
[33:58] Yeah. Watch it. Yeah. And what are its
[34:03] characteristics? How do I know when that
[34:07] has arisen in my mind? Then when that's
[34:10] my mental state.
[34:13] Yeah. What do you feel then? That's
[34:17] Look at it a bit.
[34:21] Hello.
[34:29] Very dry in the mind. Kind of just like
[34:32] uninterested in really anything.
[34:36] >> Nothing's [clears throat] really
[34:36] appealing. It's kind of just like gh and
[34:40] and then there's this kind of like
[34:42] stagnation like there's no movement
[34:44] anywhere. It's just kind of like
[34:46] stuck. It feels like energetically just
[34:49] stuck.
[34:50] >> Yeah. You feel quite stuck
[34:53] >> and you don't know what to do. Is it is
[34:56] it pleasant or unpleasant?
[34:59] >> Unpleasant.
[34:59] >> Pleasant, [laughter]
[35:01] isn't it? Very unpleasant. What makes it
[35:04] arise?
[35:12] Sometimes it's discouragement.
[35:15] Um, sometimes it's when my mind labels
[35:19] it bored.
[35:21] Um,
[35:24] >> are these the cause of it or are these
[35:26] something that come along with it?
[35:32] >> Come along with it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[35:34] What brings
[35:35] >> So the cause of it?
[35:37] >> Yeah. Well, I think it it's the um
[35:41] seeing everything
[35:44] uh
[35:45] in a way that it doesn't exist
[35:49] wears on the mind a bunch. I think you
[35:52] know it's like because if one's mind
[35:57] gets more aligned with reality, it's
[36:00] fresh. It's it's excited. It's
[36:04] >> in a good way. It's it's with it. Mhm.
[36:07] So when my mind is kind of checked out
[36:10] from that whole thing, then it can get
[36:13] this way.
[36:15] >> Yeah. H
[36:16] >> Yeah. Do you had something?
[36:23] >> No.
[36:26] >> I think um for me sometimes one of the
[36:29] causes is honestly laziness. the effort
[36:33] that it takes to
[36:35] engage with it and reflect on it and
[36:39] work with it. Um, sometimes it's just
[36:42] laziness and um, then it is boring and
[36:47] maybe I'd prefer to be doing something
[36:49] that doesn't require so much effort.
[36:53] >> Yeah, it could be very much laziness.
[36:57] It's like
[36:58] I I want something to happen easily.
[37:02] You know this is why do I have to exert
[37:05] so much energy especially when I would
[37:08] rather go back to sleep you know
[37:14] okay go ahead and then it goes back
[37:17] >> I'm not happy with myself
[37:20] there's I'm I'm yeah there's something
[37:23] about what I'm doing I'm just yeah I
[37:25] don't feel um happy with how I've been
[37:28] doing my practice
[37:30] >> okay so you're not happy with yourself.
[37:34] Yeah. And then you're stuck with, you
[37:36] know, grumble grumble.
[37:39] >> I think for me it's routine
[37:42] when I just let my mind going into the
[37:46] routine and not being clarity with my
[37:49] motivation once again and again.
[37:52] >> So it's like being like the hamster in
[37:54] the same
[37:56] >> sodex like stuck that energy of being
[37:59] like stuck,
[38:00] >> right? Yeah. So our motiv we're not
[38:02] taking time to generate our motivation
[38:06] or our motivation is kind of flat. You
[38:09] know what I see sometimes is how my mind
[38:12] really wants something new and exciting.
[38:16] You know it's craving new and exciting.
[38:21] Yeah. So life should always give me
[38:24] something interesting and exciting.
[38:28] And you know when when life doesn't do
[38:32] that, well poof, you [laughter] know,
[38:35] I'm just unhappy.
[38:41] Yeah. Interesting, isn't it? Yeah. Then
[38:45] I stop. Why? Why does everything have to
[38:48] be interesting all the time?
[38:51] Yeah. Or why isn't this interesting? It
[38:56] was interesting last week when I did it.
[39:00] Today it's not.
[39:03] Yeah. What can I do to jazz it up?
[39:10] Yeah. Yeah. It's it's quite interesting.
[39:13] instead of just getting disgruntled and
[39:17] down on ourselves and you know I'm not a
[39:20] good meditator anyway to to really study
[39:26] what that is you know but be careful
[39:29] when we study different mental states
[39:32] sometimes we start we jump into them and
[39:37] take them on again.
[39:40] Okay, it's here when we're observing it.
[39:43] We don't want to get deep in that mental
[39:47] state of being disgruntled or bored or
[39:50] whatever. We want to
[39:54] step back and observe it. Yeah. And is
[39:58] it permanent or impermanent? Now, that's
[40:02] something I've never thought about. That
[40:04] might be interesting to watch. Yeah. How
[40:09] does is this mental state the same in
[40:12] each moment?
[40:15] Yeah. Can I tell when it's going to
[40:17] change?
[40:20] Yeah. And then
[40:23] Yeah. Is this pleasurable or is this
[40:27] dooka?
[40:29] This is clearly dooka, isn't it?
[40:34] Yeah.
[40:36] So something to be abandoned, not
[40:38] something to cling to.
[40:41] And then to see how the idea of a self
[40:45] comes in.
[40:48] Yeah.
[40:50] Oh, this is so boring. I can't meditate.
[40:56] Yeah.
[40:57] I am bored.
[41:00] I am restless. I am distracted. I am
[41:05] lazy.
[41:07] Yeah. Who's the eye that is all those
[41:11] things?
[41:18] Yeah. [clears throat] Can you find the
[41:19] eye that's lazy?
[41:24] That perks our mind up a bit. Yeah.
[41:28] Doesn't it? You know.
[41:32] Or who Yeah. Who who is lazy? Or again,
[41:38] you know, I ask myself, why do I say I
[41:41] feel lazy?
[41:45] Yeah. What exactly am I equating with
[41:48] laziness?
[41:50] And are those things really laziness? In
[41:54] other words, is the ob is does how does
[41:59] it say um does does the object exist by
[42:04] its own characteristics?
[42:08] Okay. So I say laziness. How do how do I
[42:13] feel when I'm lazy?
[42:21] [laughter]
[42:22] Yeah.
[42:25] Uh okay. Is a is that laziness?
[42:32] No. It's a characteristic
[42:35] of laziness.
[42:38] But that characteristic isn't laziness
[42:41] itself. It doesn't match the definition
[42:46] of laziness.
[42:51] Yeah. So, so really you know what do I
[42:54] mean by this word and who is the person
[42:57] who has this mental state.
[43:00] Yeah. Can be very that makes it more
[43:03] interesting if we can remember to do it.
[43:07] You know otherwise we just look at the
[43:10] clock and how much longer or oh I have
[43:13] so many important things to do today. I
[43:16] might as well just end the session now
[43:17] and do the important things like
[43:22] like like
[43:27] >> clean the litter box.
[43:28] >> What?
[43:29] >> Clean the litter box.
[43:31] >> Clean the litter box. Yes. Do something
[43:34] useful. Clean the litter box. Yeah. Pet
[43:40] the cat some more. Check the email.
[43:45] Yeah,
[43:46] check the news. Oh, something exciting.
[43:51] Actually, the news these days is so
[43:54] boring. [laughter]
[43:57] [snorts] I mean, it's like a few days
[44:00] before the midterms, but they've been
[44:02] talking about the midterms for months
[44:07] and it's so boring. And who says what?
[44:11] And then you know even the comedians
[44:16] it's it's like it's getting boring
[44:18] because every day it's like what you
[44:22] know making fun of one
[44:25] [cough and clears throat]
[44:25] thing that uh did
[44:29] Yeah. You know what's this guy doing
[44:32] again? Look what he said again. It's
[44:34] like
[44:36] unbelievable.
[44:39] Yeah.
[44:41] But you know that's boring when it's it
[44:44] happens every time, isn't it? Yeah.
[44:49] Yeah. So it's like can there be a new
[44:52] scandal? Oh, there's a new scandal that
[44:55] that Okay. Yeah. I can look at that for
[44:58] a while.
[45:00] Why are we so interested in that?
[45:05] You had a
[45:15] I I find that that what I do is um you
[45:21] know I've I've got commitments that I've
[45:23] I've been doing for years and [snorts]
[45:26] you know same old same old
[45:28] >> and uh and and you know so I'll go for a
[45:31] walk and and and I do them while I'm
[45:33] walking
[45:34] >> which is a substitute for, you know,
[45:37] sitting down and really really doing
[45:40] them, you know, just trying to generate
[45:42] the
[45:43] >> what you what you're meant to be
[45:44] generating. I go for a walk, I walk the
[45:46] dog, I look around while I'm, you know,
[45:49] I take refuge, yada yada yada, sort of
[45:52] thing,
[45:54] except for when I come to the abbey.
[45:56] [laughter]
[45:58] >> I really appreciate the um the routine
[46:01] here. And I really appreciate being
[46:04] surrounded by practitioners who are um
[46:08] uh you know, trying we're all trying our
[46:10] best and I really see that and that
[46:13] inspires me. Yeah.
[46:16] Yeah. So, that's a benefit from living
[46:18] in community, isn't it?
[46:20] >> Absolutely.
[46:20] >> Yeah.
[46:23] Okay. So, let's continue on from where
[46:27] we left off. That was an example, you
[46:31] know, that this one person wrote me. But
[46:35] I think it's it's good to remember to
[46:38] use what we're learning here in our
[46:41] life. Yeah.
[46:44] Okay.
[46:46] So, oh, now we're on this most wonderful
[46:50] hindrance. This one that's so exciting.
[46:54] Yeah,
[46:56] it's doubt.
[46:59] Okay. And oh, we just finished teachings
[47:02] on the pure land. Boy, we can really
[47:06] start the doubt now. Does the pure land
[47:09] exist? It's in the west. The west from
[47:13] what center point? Yeah. Is the abbey
[47:17] the center point in the west or is
[47:21] Bogaya the center point in the Is the
[47:24] earth even the center point? Maybe it's
[47:27] west from somewhere. Does it really
[47:29] matter if it's in the west? Yes, because
[47:33] it's especially for us who were
[47:35] westerners.
[47:38] Yeah. Um
[47:41] okay. So [snorts]
[47:45] yeah this and doubt and you know who is
[47:48] Ammy Taba? Why is he red? You know can
[47:52] he change colors? Is he red because he's
[47:56] blushing or he's embarrassed or you know
[48:01] we get into so many different trips.
[48:05] Yeah. And then sometimes when you read
[48:09] um I don't know do you know in in the
[48:12] Amitaba sutras do they that in the
[48:15] Tibetan do they have Amitaba's uh vows
[48:20] his [snorts]
[48:21] have you seen those?
[48:23] >> No for sure. I don't
[48:25] >> okay because I know that they're in the
[48:27] Chinese and some of the his res you know
[48:33] firm resolutions his mlam
[48:36] um you know are are interesting they may
[48:41] not exactly agree with our uh western
[48:46] standards of things.
[48:48] Yeah. And so so then uh so what does
[48:54] that make Amitaba?
[48:57] H [clears throat] do I really believe
[49:00] this? Yeah. So yeah, doubt comes up.
[49:04] Okay. So there's different kinds of
[49:07] doubt. Yeah. There's the doubt where
[49:13] we have an earnest question.
[49:16] Yeah. We're not trying to trip somebody
[49:18] up. We're not trying to prove how smart
[49:21] we are by inventing some doubt. But we
[49:26] have an earnest question and that's
[49:29] important to us. That kind of doubt can
[49:33] be remedied. Yeah. We ask somebody who
[49:37] knows. We look at a scripture.
[49:41] We think more deeply about it. And
[49:44] hopefully we can sort it out in in our
[49:46] minds and you know have a conclusion
[49:50] that satisfies us.
[49:52] Then there's the doubt
[49:56] of the make me believe doubt.
[50:02] Anybody have the make me believe doubt?
[50:06] Rebirth.
[50:07] Make me believe it. You really think
[50:10] there's rebirth? What kind of hocus
[50:14] pocus is this? It's your responsibility
[50:18] to make me believe it. Tell me something
[50:20] that makes sense. You know, don't just
[50:23] tell me to accept it because at the end
[50:26] of the day, it's better to accept it
[50:29] than not. Uh you you know, but we're not
[50:34] really sincere with that doubt.
[50:37] It's the doubter. Yeah. Really? Yeah.
[50:41] you make me believe it,
[50:44] you know, and put it on somebody else
[50:46] because we just want to be like an
[50:48] obnoxious kid. Yeah. That doubt is we're
[50:54] not really earnest. Okay. And we're just
[50:57] wasting the other person's time because
[51:00] whatever they say,
[51:03] what's the answer?
[51:05] >> Yes. But
[51:07] >> yes, but
[51:09] we know the answer.
[51:12] Yeah. And sometimes
[51:15] you have doubts coming up in your
[51:18] practice. You go to your teacher, you
[51:22] know, or your mentor for some ideas of
[51:26] what to do in your practice, but you
[51:28] really don't want them
[51:32] because you know what you want to do.
[51:36] I'm out of here, you know. Don't tell me
[51:40] how to deal with this because at this
[51:42] point I really don't care.
[51:46] You know, I'm out of here. And you know,
[51:52] this happens a lot. Yeah. You go to your
[51:55] teacher and ask a question, but you
[51:57] really, it's not a sincere question. And
[52:00] you have your yes, but already.
[52:03] Yeah. And uh
[52:07] so so what you know you have your yes
[52:11] but what does that do for you?
[52:16] Yeah. But you feel kind of do you know
[52:18] what I'm talking about? Anybody in this
[52:21] had this mental state of Yeah. Just like
[52:25] I don't feel like believing today. This
[52:28] just doesn't make sense.
[52:31] Yeah. And just Yes. I'll listen and that
[52:35] makes sense, but stop trying to force it
[52:38] on me and cram it down my throat. This
[52:41] is just hyperbole,
[52:44] you know. So, it's it's it's another
[52:47] variety of, you know, but it's the same
[52:50] kind of thing. We don't really want an
[52:52] answer, but this one we pretend we do.
[52:56] We pretend that we're earnest of in
[52:59] figuring this out, but we really aren't.
[53:03] Okay. So th those kind of doubts
[53:10] you know we're we're when we have th the
[53:13] kind of make me believe it doubt then
[53:17] we're really stuck
[53:19] because what we're basically saying to
[53:22] ourselves is whatever somebody says I
[53:26] don't believe it.
[53:29] So, you already have your opinion made
[53:34] before you've even asked the question.
[53:38] Yeah. And um
[53:43] so we have to look at that's an
[53:44] interesting mind to look at because I
[53:47] don't think it's really doubt. I think
[53:50] it's obstacy being obstinate.
[53:54] It has a t it has a good dollop of
[53:59] ignorance in it.
[54:01] It has some sprinkle of anger.
[54:07] Yeah. So it's an interesting mental
[54:11] state that uh
[54:15] you know just enables us to stay stuck
[54:19] and it justifies
[54:22] are doing what we want.
[54:25] Yeah. Yeah. You're talking about this
[54:28] subject in class. I don't like that
[54:31] subject. Poo. I don't believe that's
[54:34] really true. I'm not coming to the
[54:36] teachings, you know,
[54:40] and
[54:42] yeah, you've already made your mind up.
[54:45] So, you know, people get into that.
[54:48] Yeah. Get into that. Hello. [gasps]
[54:51] Yeah. And then you don't say, you know,
[54:54] then you have to invent an excuse for
[54:57] not coming to the teachings.
[55:00] Yeah. You because you you don't want to
[55:02] say, "Oh, I don't believe it. It's all
[55:04] rubbish and I don't want to really hear
[55:07] what what you say in class. You don't
[55:09] want to say that. So then you write on
[55:12] the board, I'm tired.
[55:15] Yeah. Being tired is so convenient.
[55:18] >> Yeah. Isn't it? Because everybody
[55:20] understands what tired means. Yeah. So
[55:25] I'm too tired.
[55:30] Right.
[55:32] Right. Right.
[55:34] >> [clears throat]
[55:36] >> Okay. Anyway, here's what his holiness
[55:39] stop says about diluted doubt.
[55:43] [clears throat]
[55:44] Okay. It's inclined to the wrong
[55:46] conclusion. So, there's three kinds of
[55:49] doubt. The doubt that's inclined towards
[55:51] the wrong. You know, things really are
[55:56] most likely inherently existent. Then
[55:59] there's doubt in the middle like maybe
[56:02] they could be NP but I don't know. And
[56:07] then there's doubt inclined towards the
[56:10] correct conclusion. Yeah. Oh yeah. I'm
[56:13] learning about that. That makes some
[56:15] sense. You're not yet at having a an
[56:20] assumption, a correct assumption, but
[56:23] you're you've moved away from poof, I
[56:26] don't believe, you know.
[56:29] Okay. Well, and that the poof I don't
[56:32] believe is right on the borderline going
[56:35] to holding a wrong view.
[56:38] Okay. So, diluted doubt is inclined to
[56:42] the wrong conclusion. It's not at that
[56:46] point, but it's going there.
[56:48] It is not the inquisitive doubt that
[56:51] encourages us to learn, question and
[56:55] think clarification,
[56:57] but it's a restive and uncooperative
[57:00] mental state that arises by distorted
[57:04] attention to a topic such as the
[57:07] existence of the three jewels. So, we've
[57:11] focused on the three jewels, but it's
[57:13] with a distorted attention.
[57:18] Okay. So, three jewels. Why are they
[57:21] called jewels? What a dumb thing. Yeah,
[57:25] three jewels. It sounds like what is it?
[57:28] The father, the son, and the holy ghost,
[57:32] you know. And actually in Indonesia,
[57:35] they needed to justify Buddhism in
[57:38] Christian terms. And that's what one
[57:41] Buddhist leader said. Yeah. He Yep.
[57:48] Because otherwise they were going to
[57:49] make it illegal because one of the laws
[57:52] in Indonesia under Sukarto
[57:56] one of those guys dictators was you had
[58:00] to have God in your religion. So
[58:03] Buddhism had to you know Buddha was the
[58:06] God. Uh
[58:09] Jesus I guess was the song was SA was
[58:14] Jesus and um the Holy Ghost was what is
[58:20] the Holy Ghost? [laughter] You know
[58:24] yeah
[58:26] it's called the Holy Ghost in America.
[58:29] Yeah. Maybe Australia it's called the
[58:32] Holy Spirit but you know Aussies um you
[58:36] know well that's the dharma you know
[58:40] it's
[58:42] sorry I I've never understood this this
[58:45] kind of stuff. Yeah.
[58:48] Okay. So it's not the inquisitive doubt
[58:51] that encourages us to learn, question,
[58:53] and seek clarification, but a restive
[58:56] and uncooperative mental state that
[59:00] arises by distorted attention to a topic
[59:04] such as the existence of the three
[59:06] jewels.
[59:09] Yeah. Why why are we having a teaching
[59:11] on Amitaba and the pure land? I mean,
[59:15] shouldn't we be focusing on making this
[59:18] a pure land? I mean, that's what some
[59:20] Buddhists thought. Humanistic Buddhism.
[59:23] Let's develop a pure land here. Is that
[59:26] realistic?
[59:28] I don't think so. You know, why do the
[59:31] why? And then you get off running
[59:33] criticizing humanistic Buddhism,
[59:36] [snorts] you know, and then eventually
[59:37] you come back and well I you know just
[59:41] pure land just buoy.
[59:44] Okay. So one antidote the counteracts
[59:47] doubt is contemplating the difference
[59:50] between virtue and non virtue
[59:55] between what is beneficial and what is
[59:58] not beneficial.
[1:00:01] Okay.
[1:00:03] So if you take the the existence of pure
[1:00:07] land, yeah, is it beneficial to believe
[1:00:11] there is one or is it not beneficial?
[1:00:15] Is it virtuous
[1:00:17] to say it it exists or at least it could
[1:00:20] exist or is that nonverirtuous?
[1:00:27] Yeah.
[1:00:29] Is there anything in believing that that
[1:00:32] there is a
[1:00:34] uh that there's a pure land set up by
[1:00:37] Amaba
[1:00:39] that will uh incline your mind towards
[1:00:43] non virtue?
[1:00:45] [clears throat]
[1:00:49] >> Yeah. No, you don't say, "Oh, you know,
[1:00:52] oh, if I believe there's,
[1:00:54] you know, Amitaba, well, I want to go in
[1:00:57] and dump paint all over pure land." No,
[1:01:01] your mind doesn't go there. Yeah.
[1:01:03] [clears throat and snorts] So, it's not
[1:01:05] non, you know, not believing in
[1:01:09] or believing in that Amitaba and the
[1:01:13] pure land exists. There's nothing
[1:01:16] nonverirtuous about that.
[1:01:20] Yeah.
[1:01:22] Now, if if you say, "Well,
[1:01:25] it's impossible to be born there because
[1:01:27] I can't see the pure land."
[1:01:31] Then what about that?
[1:01:39] Is that a good reason?
[1:01:41] >> No.
[1:01:41] >> Why not?
[1:01:43] There's many things we don't we can't
[1:01:46] see and can't.
[1:01:47] >> Yeah, there's many things that we can't
[1:01:49] say.
[1:01:51] So, how can we definitively say that
[1:01:54] doesn't exist?
[1:01:57] Okay. And then benefit and not bene
[1:02:01] beneficial. Yeah. Would it help me to
[1:02:05] believe that there's a pure land? Would
[1:02:07] it change my behavior?
[1:02:10] Yeah. How would it change your behavior?
[1:02:23] >> The fact that uh
[1:02:26] the fact that it's out that it might be
[1:02:29] out there
[1:02:31] >> changes the the way that I would act in
[1:02:33] the future. It's it's it's Pascal's
[1:02:36] wager a little bit for me, which is that
[1:02:40] is it more beneficial to believe that
[1:02:42] it's out there
[1:02:44] >> even if it if it isn't out there and I
[1:02:47] believe that it's out there.
[1:02:48] >> Uhhuh.
[1:02:49] >> Right. I'm I'm better off than if I than
[1:02:51] if it's out there and I don't believe
[1:02:53] it's out there.
[1:02:54] >> Why Why is it better off? What benefits
[1:02:57] do you get by believing that it is? you
[1:03:01] know, maybe not completely believing but
[1:03:04] going in that direction.
[1:03:06] >> It bolsters it bolsters my excitement
[1:03:09] for the dharma for one thing.
[1:03:10] >> Okay.
[1:03:11] >> Right. I mean, it's it's I like it's
[1:03:14] pleasant. It's pleasant to believe.
[1:03:16] >> Yeah.
[1:03:17] >> That it's out there. Right. And so it it
[1:03:20] it it helps with it helps with that
[1:03:22] laziness we were talking about a minute
[1:03:24] ago.
[1:03:25] >> It's motivating. Yeah. [clears throat]
[1:03:27] >> Okay. Yeah. So it make it kind of makes
[1:03:31] sense. It perks my mind up, you know,
[1:03:35] and it may it may exist. There's it will
[1:03:39] help me maybe not get so angry at people
[1:03:42] or not speak so harshly. So there's
[1:03:46] benefits coming from believing it.
[1:03:49] So okay, I'll go along with it and and
[1:03:52] see what happens.
[1:03:55] What helped me when Gashila was teaching
[1:03:58] this is that um when he talked about um
[1:04:04] uh when you are in that pure land that
[1:04:07] you can emanate and then go help so many
[1:04:10] beings
[1:04:12] >> and one of the hard parts where my mind
[1:04:15] can get stuck is that this takes so long
[1:04:18] and I want to help but I don't have the
[1:04:21] skill to do it
[1:04:23] >> and so this is the this is the method to
[1:04:27] get the skill quicker
[1:04:29] >> it seems to me.
[1:04:31] >> Yeah.
[1:04:34] And you can get that school skill
[1:04:37] quicker
[1:04:39] because you don't have human aggregates.
[1:04:42] You have pure land aggregates.
[1:04:46] So you're not worried about, you know,
[1:04:49] where your food, shelter, and those
[1:04:52] things are coming from.
[1:04:54] >> [cough]
[1:04:55] >> Sorry.
[1:04:57] You're living with a bunch of people
[1:04:58] that are really nice, harmonious.
[1:05:02] Yeah. So, if you're in living in the
[1:05:04] pure land, that makes your practice
[1:05:07] easy.
[1:05:08] So, yeah, there's benefit that comes
[1:05:11] from it.
[1:05:13] Yeah.
[1:05:16] Okay.
[1:05:18] Okay. So,
[1:05:22] the Yeah. One antidote is contemplating
[1:05:24] the difference between virtue and non
[1:05:26] virtue and what is beneficial and what
[1:05:29] is not beneficial.
[1:05:32] Yeah. Is there some fear when you have
[1:05:36] doubt in the pure land that somehow
[1:05:39] you're going to do something that's not
[1:05:42] beneficial or waste your time or is that
[1:05:46] figuring into the doubt?
[1:05:51] You know, like if a doubt, oh, if I
[1:05:54] believe in the pure land, then I'm just
[1:05:57] going to become like those people who
[1:05:58] just walk around all day chanting nama
[1:06:01] to
[1:06:03] and I'm not going to study. I'm not
[1:06:05] going to be able to I'm going to become
[1:06:07] a bornag again ammy tooist and drive
[1:06:11] everybody crazy. You know, you know,
[1:06:16] there there could be that kind of uh you
[1:06:19] know, fear of if I believe this then I'm
[1:06:22] just going to go whole hog.
[1:06:25] Yeah. [snorts]
[1:06:28] Yeah. Whole hog. then you know I won't I
[1:06:31] won't be able to go to work you know
[1:06:33] [laughter] or cuz I'm recite you know I
[1:06:36] say to my boss and I'm a mommy to
[1:06:39] Yeah. Uh whatever it is. Yeah. So okay.
[1:06:44] Yeah. But how likely is that to happen
[1:06:48] that I'll become a born again
[1:06:52] toist?
[1:06:55] Yeah.
[1:06:58] probably nobody is going to make me like
[1:07:02] that. Yeah. [snorts] So if it's not so
[1:07:05] beneficial, I can hold back.
[1:07:10] Okay.
[1:07:11] So we challenge our beliefs because some
[1:07:16] of our beliefs are really wrong.
[1:07:20] By cultivating appropriate attention to
[1:07:23] such topics, we will gain the clarity
[1:07:27] that nos confusion, attachment and anger
[1:07:30] are nonverirtuous
[1:07:33] and generosity, ethical conduct and
[1:07:35] fortitude are virtuous.
[1:07:39] Yeah. And this is one thing that GLa
[1:07:41] emphasized this afternoon for the people
[1:07:44] who you know can't just understand the
[1:07:48] whole the whole thing. Yes. Be a
[1:07:51] generous person. Be a kind person this
[1:07:54] life. Help other people. Nothing wrong
[1:07:57] with that. Yeah. And as the holiness
[1:08:00] also says if you act like that towards
[1:08:03] other people, you're going to have more
[1:08:05] friends. Then everybody goes, "Oh,
[1:08:09] really? People will finally I'll have
[1:08:12] some friends." Well, yeah, if you stop
[1:08:15] criticizing and screaming at people.
[1:08:18] Yes. You know, so that kind of belief
[1:08:21] can, you know, be beneficial for that
[1:08:23] person.
[1:08:25] Okay. Dharma study res uh helps to
[1:08:28] resolve doubts and mindfulness of
[1:08:31] breathing eases the tormenting type of
[1:08:34] doubt. So if you're really stuck and oh
[1:08:38] I this is driving me crazy and I can't
[1:08:43] figure it out then the remedy is just
[1:08:47] watch your breath. Let the mind settle.
[1:08:50] Okay. making a firm resolve to not let
[1:08:54] ourself be submerged by doubts and to
[1:08:58] continue on the path despite having some
[1:09:01] doubts helps direct the mind in a
[1:09:05] constructive direction. So that's good
[1:09:08] to remember. You know, in other words,
[1:09:11] not let our doubts intensify
[1:09:15] to the point where
[1:09:18] they're immobilizing us because we've
[1:09:21] got to have an answer to to this doubt
[1:09:25] that we have. Yeah. And some people get
[1:09:30] like that, you know. I can't practice at
[1:09:33] all until I decide,
[1:09:36] you know, what what color uh garments
[1:09:40] Tara is wearing. You know, have you ever
[1:09:44] [clears throat] noticed we get stuck on
[1:09:45] these unbelievable things? Yeah. Yeah.
[1:09:52] Tara is wearing a celestial silk. What
[1:09:55] does it feel like? What color is it? Why
[1:09:58] is she willing wearing silk? That that
[1:10:02] means that you have to kill all these
[1:10:05] worms to make the silk. That's against
[1:10:09] car Tara's precept. Why is she wearing
[1:10:12] this? You know, and we'll get we
[1:10:15] [snorts] can get really talk about
[1:10:18] ruminating.
[1:10:20] Yeah.
[1:10:22] Okay. Making a firm resolve to not let
[1:10:25] oursel be submerged by doubts and to
[1:10:28] continue on the path despite having some
[1:10:31] doubts helps direct the mind in a
[1:10:34] constructive direction.
[1:10:37] And actually having doubts means that
[1:10:40] you're thinking about the teachings.
[1:10:43] Yeah. If you heard a a teaching on
[1:10:47] emptiness and you go, "Ah, that's easy.
[1:10:49] I got that one.
[1:10:52] Uh maybe you're not you haven't.
[1:10:57] Yeah. So having questions come up and
[1:11:00] asking questions is really a sign that
[1:11:04] we are thinking about the teachings.
[1:11:07] Yeah.
[1:11:10] Okay. Patience is also useful for we
[1:11:14] realize that not all of our doubts need
[1:11:18] to be resolved immediately
[1:11:21] for us to practice and benefit from the
[1:11:24] Buddhist teachings. And that's certainly
[1:11:27] true, isn't it? Yeah. There's so many
[1:11:31] things to practice, so many things that
[1:11:33] benefit us.
[1:11:35] It doesn't matter that all of our we
[1:11:37] still have some doubts you know that all
[1:11:40] of them have been answered.
[1:11:43] Okay. So just uh he there's a a good uh
[1:11:48] analogy here. Diluted doubt is compared
[1:11:52] to traveling across a barren desert
[1:11:55] where nothing grows. Yeah. When your
[1:11:59] mind's in doubt nothing, no wisdom
[1:12:02] grows.
[1:12:03] It is also likened to being at a
[1:12:06] crossroads in the wilderness with no one
[1:12:09] around to ask for directions.
[1:12:13] You're stuck.
[1:12:15] Yeah.
[1:12:17] Diluted doubt has been eradicated by
[1:12:20] stream meners. Although they may still
[1:12:23] have questions about how to practice,
[1:12:25] their experience of reality has
[1:12:28] vanquished doubt about the path and the
[1:12:31] three jewels. So that's a good instance
[1:12:34] of still having questions,
[1:12:37] but they don't have doubts about the
[1:12:40] path and about the um the existence of
[1:12:44] the three jewels.
[1:12:47] Yeah.
[1:12:50] Okay.
[1:12:52] So that's
[1:12:55] done with the five aggregates. Yeah, we
[1:12:58] got them.
[1:12:59] >> Five hindrances.
[1:13:00] >> Five hindrances.
[1:13:02] >> Five hindrances. Yeah. Now we're going
[1:13:05] right to the five aggregates. We're not
[1:13:07] done with them. We keep getting them
[1:13:10] again and again and again, don't we?
[1:13:16] Okay. So to make the mind fit to
[1:13:19] investigate phenomena deeply,
[1:13:22] concentration is essential and that
[1:13:25] necessitates overcoming the five
[1:13:27] hindrances.
[1:13:29] For this reason, the five hindrances are
[1:13:32] the first set in mindfulness of
[1:13:35] phenomena once they once they have been
[1:13:38] tamed.
[1:13:40] Yeah. In other words, don't skip over
[1:13:42] them. But once they have been tamed, the
[1:13:45] mind can with clarity and precision
[1:13:49] contemplate the nature of the mental and
[1:13:52] physical phenomena by employing the
[1:13:55] schema of the five aggregates.
[1:13:59] Cultivating mindfulness of the
[1:14:01] aggregates involves comprehending the
[1:14:04] nature,
[1:14:06] function,
[1:14:07] causes, and conditions of each
[1:14:10] aggregate.
[1:14:11] nature, function, characteristics,
[1:14:16] what their causes are, what their
[1:14:18] conditions are, what happens to them.
[1:14:22] Yeah.
[1:14:24] So, all of that is involved with uh
[1:14:28] cultivating mindfulness of the
[1:14:29] aggregates.
[1:14:32] Okay. So, the five aggregates are
[1:14:34] important be for a couple of reasons.
[1:14:37] One is all impermanent phenomena are
[1:14:41] somewhere in the five aggregates.
[1:14:44] So if you want to understand impermanent
[1:14:47] phenomena, understanding those
[1:14:50] categories is a is a big help you know
[1:14:54] and then that also helps us see that uh
[1:14:59] you know the difference between
[1:15:00] impermanent and permanent phenomena and
[1:15:05] which makes us really see how much we
[1:15:08] cling to to permanence.
[1:15:11] Yeah. how much we clean. We have a plan.
[1:15:17] It's going to go exactly as planned.
[1:15:22] Yeah.
[1:15:23] I have an expectation. I know people
[1:15:27] really well. I been [clears throat]
[1:15:29] around them. They've been my friends for
[1:15:32] a long time. I know them very well. I
[1:15:34] know their habits.
[1:15:37] Why are they acting like this?
[1:15:41] Yeah. what happened? They should be
[1:15:43] acting,
[1:15:45] you know, in the way they always do
[1:15:47] because they have a permanent
[1:15:49] personality.
[1:15:52] So we think how often have we
[1:15:57] been upset because of grasping at imper
[1:16:00] this kind of impermanence or or
[1:16:02] permanence. Same thing with permanence
[1:16:05] of relationships.
[1:16:07] Yeah. My cousin just got married two
[1:16:10] weeks ago. [gasps] Oh, you know,
[1:16:14] standing there promising
[1:16:17] forever, ever, ever, ever, I will love
[1:16:21] you. I will be there for you. I will
[1:16:24] protect you. I will always be in the
[1:16:27] kind of mood you're in. You know, I will
[1:16:30] always be accommodating.
[1:16:33] I will always be sincere. I will be
[1:16:36] funny when you need to be uplifted. I
[1:16:39] will be have a serious discussion
[1:16:41] whenever you want that you know. Yeah,
[1:16:45] you can trust me forever. I am promising
[1:16:48] you this and you just promised the same
[1:16:51] thing to me. So now our relationship is
[1:16:56] permanent.
[1:16:58] What's the divorce rate now?
[1:17:02] Yeah. after two years, after five years.
[1:17:09] Yeah.
[1:17:12] How many people are married to the first
[1:17:16] person
[1:17:18] that they married legally, you know,
[1:17:24] but we grasp permanence
[1:17:27] and then, oh my god, what happened? This
[1:17:31] is supposed to be like this and it
[1:17:33] isn't. And we are mad. We are bummed
[1:17:37] out. We are disappointed.
[1:17:44] It's called reality. You know, reality
[1:17:48] does that to us.
[1:17:51] Banish reality. You know, I don't want
[1:17:55] reality. It makes me miserable.
[1:18:00] >> [laughter]
[1:18:02] >> Yeah, I just want to sit here and be
[1:18:05] angry because somebody isn't acting
[1:18:08] according to my expectations.
[1:18:11] And they changed. Oh my god, they
[1:18:14] changed.
[1:18:18] [snorts]
[1:18:20] Okay.
[1:18:23] So all five aggregates exist
[1:18:26] simultaneously
[1:18:28] in each moment of our human experience
[1:18:31] no matter what we are doing.
[1:18:35] Sometimes one or another aggregate may
[1:18:38] be prominent. When we say I feel good
[1:18:41] today the pleasant feeling is more not
[1:18:45] noticeable.
[1:18:47] So, I feel good today. Emphasis on the
[1:18:51] feeling aggregate. Okay. When we're
[1:18:54] looking for our friend in the crowd,
[1:18:58] the aggregate of discrimination is chief
[1:19:01] because we're looking at a crowd of
[1:19:03] people. We're trying to figure our
[1:19:05] friend. Yeah.
[1:19:08] When we carry out a plan intention
[1:19:13] which is in the aggre aggregates of
[1:19:16] miscellaneous factors that one is
[1:19:19] prominent. We want to carry out a pre a
[1:19:23] plan we have to have an idea uh an
[1:19:26] intention to do it. So that's prominent.
[1:19:30] Beings in the formless realm lack a
[1:19:33] body.
[1:19:35] Yeah. And they have four aggregates. So
[1:19:39] they only analyze the four aggregates
[1:19:42] not the five. But some but they say
[1:19:45] according to tantra they'll they still
[1:19:47] have you know the subtle wind
[1:19:51] somewhere. [snorts]
[1:19:54] Okay. The five aggregates are called
[1:19:58] remember this term the five aggregates
[1:20:02] subject to clinging.
[1:20:04] Yeah. In the uh sutras you find that
[1:20:07] expression a lot subject the aggregate
[1:20:11] subject to clinging because this is what
[1:20:14] we cling to the most. Yeah. If it's an
[1:20:18] external object it'll be something from
[1:20:21] the form aggregate
[1:20:23] most likely. Yeah. If it's uh an
[1:20:28] internal, you know, when we're sick,
[1:20:30] we're clinging to the body.
[1:20:34] When we're disappointed,
[1:20:36] we're uh you know, there's there's the
[1:20:41] feeling aggregate and also the
[1:20:43] miscellaneous fact factor aggregate.
[1:20:47] Okay. So, those two become prominent,
[1:20:50] but we we cling to those. Yeah. Whatever
[1:20:54] we feel like it's this is uncomfortable.
[1:20:59] I don't like it, you know, or like we
[1:21:01] just did this is boring.
[1:21:04] I don't like that. Or this feels good.
[1:21:07] Give me more.
[1:21:09] So we're we cling so much to the
[1:21:14] aggregates. And
[1:21:17] it's very interesting when we watch our
[1:21:19] language.
[1:21:21] Sometimes we look at at the aggregates
[1:21:24] as if they are [snorts] possessions.
[1:21:28] Sometimes we refer to the aggregates as
[1:21:31] if they are the self.
[1:21:35] Okay. So,
[1:21:38] uh what's a good examp? Um I feel sick
[1:21:42] today. I'm sick.
[1:21:45] Yeah, the the sickness is I,
[1:21:50] you know, we're really thinking, you
[1:21:53] know, that that is who I am. I am a sick
[1:21:56] person. That body is me. The body is
[1:22:00] miserable. I'm miserable. But sometimes
[1:22:03] we don't say I'm sick. We say my stomach
[1:22:08] is upset.
[1:22:10] There the body has become a possession.
[1:22:14] It's mine.
[1:22:17] Yeah, my stomach is upset.
[1:22:21] So, it's interesting how we can't uh we
[1:22:26] switch how we relate to the aggregates.
[1:22:29] Do we see them as a possession or as the
[1:22:33] self?
[1:22:35] Yeah. I feel miserable today.
[1:22:41] You know I am so unhappy today. The I
[1:22:46] that's the identity of the of the self
[1:22:50] of the I unhappiness.
[1:22:52] The two are like union oneness as llama
[1:22:56] would say. Yeah. Which is very
[1:23:00] different. I am miserable today is very
[1:23:03] different than saying I feel unhappy
[1:23:07] today.
[1:23:10] Yeah. Can you see in your mind how how
[1:23:12] you relate to it a little bit different?
[1:23:15] I feel unhappy today. Yeah, it's a
[1:23:18] possession. It's not who I am. It can go
[1:23:20] away. But I am unhappy today. Oh,
[1:23:27] you know I am permanently unhappy.
[1:23:35] So just watch, you know, and when I was
[1:23:39] thinking about this because this whole
[1:23:43] thing of identities
[1:23:46] is so important in American culture, you
[1:23:50] know, and especially when there was the
[1:23:53] whole woke thing. Yeah. And I'm not
[1:23:57] putting down the whole woke thing. It
[1:23:59] did go to an extreme, but there were a
[1:24:01] lot of good things that came from it,
[1:24:04] too. But what I did notice when that was
[1:24:08] going on was how solid the self became.
[1:24:15] Yeah. I am from this ethnic group, this
[1:24:20] racial group, this religious group, this
[1:24:24] country, this gender or whatever it is,
[1:24:29] you know, this is who I am and the
[1:24:33] society does not respect me for it and
[1:24:37] it should.
[1:24:39] Yeah, I am a human being. Why are you
[1:24:43] prejudic against me? because I have pink
[1:24:46] hair, you know, my hair is naturally
[1:24:49] pink, you know, or whatever it is, you
[1:24:54] know, I have kinky hair and, you know,
[1:24:58] nobody makes the kind of stuff that my
[1:25:02] kinky hair needs. Or, you know, my skin
[1:25:05] is too white. I want to be suntan. You
[1:25:08] know, I've got to go to a suntanning
[1:25:11] place. Or I've got to hear what is the
[1:25:14] orange stuff that Donnie puts on his
[1:25:16] face that makes him look tan,
[1:25:19] you know? Yeah. What is it? Have you
[1:25:23] seen sometimes when they do a closeup of
[1:25:26] his face, it's all kind of oranges and
[1:25:30] then there's this white pale streak all
[1:25:33] around the edge. Yeah.
[1:25:38] Okay.
[1:25:40] I want to look like that. I want to have
[1:25:43] a tan, you know, or whatever it is. We
[1:25:48] get so attached to anything in the
[1:25:52] aggregates
[1:25:53] that we want, that we like, that we
[1:25:56] don't like, that we don't want. Yeah.
[1:25:59] And this is, you know, our life kind of
[1:26:03] when you think about it.
[1:26:08] Okay. So these five are called called
[1:26:10] the five aggregates subject to clinging
[1:26:14] because these five are the basis in
[1:26:17] dependence on which we cling to I mine
[1:26:20] and myself. Yeah. So the whole woke
[1:26:24] thing I've got to figure out all these
[1:26:27] classes that I belong to and now there
[1:26:31] has to be what was it? safe places to go
[1:26:37] in case it at my university there the
[1:26:41] lesson is something that could trigger
[1:26:45] my feeling of being oppressed because I
[1:26:48] belong to a certain group. Yeah. Do you
[1:26:51] remember that?
[1:26:52] >> You know, there has to be safe places
[1:26:55] and the professor has to warn me that,
[1:26:59] you know, we're going to be watching
[1:27:00] this movie and it it hints at this and
[1:27:04] that and it could trigger that because
[1:27:07] everybody was so sensitive about their
[1:27:11] identity.
[1:27:13] I am fillin blank.
[1:27:17] Yeah. because of identifying one or the
[1:27:20] other of the aggregates be it an
[1:27:23] internal one or the external one as
[1:27:26] being the self.
[1:27:29] Yeah. And then oh my goodness it was so
[1:27:32] difficult at colleges.
[1:27:35] Yeah. I I happened to visit Smith at at
[1:27:41] one point. Yeah. I was asked to give
[1:27:44] some talks there and I remember walking
[1:27:48] into I think it was like the student
[1:27:52] union. It was some some big building and
[1:27:56] they had a big room and there were a lot
[1:27:59] of students sitting in there and I just
[1:28:02] kind of said, you know, why are there so
[1:28:04] many students sitting in there? They
[1:28:06] weren't studying or doing anything. And
[1:28:08] it was, "Oh, that's the safe room in
[1:28:12] case they get triggered."
[1:28:15] Yeah. Well, I didn't have safe rooms
[1:28:18] when I went. Anybody have safe? Who grew
[1:28:20] up with safe rooms?
[1:28:23] You know, cuz there was a certain point,
[1:28:26] you know, but I didn't, you know, if you
[1:28:29] got triggered, you dealt with it
[1:28:32] one way or the other. Yeah.
[1:28:38] Okay.
[1:28:40] Okay. So the five aggregates are called
[1:28:42] the five aggregates subject to clinging
[1:28:45] because these five are the basis and
[1:28:48] dependence on which we cling to I, me,
[1:28:53] my, myself. Okay. We take the aggregates
[1:28:58] to be identical with ourselves making
[1:29:02] them I.
[1:29:04] You know who am I? I am my body. I am my
[1:29:09] feelings.
[1:29:11] I am whatever it is. Yeah. We look at
[1:29:15] them as things we use that belong to us
[1:29:19] and will bring us pleasure. That is as
[1:29:22] my or mine. So we go back and forth like
[1:29:26] that in response to the notions of I and
[1:29:30] mine. We create doctrines and views
[1:29:35] about the self. Oh, goody.
[1:29:39] Doctrines and views. Do you remember in
[1:29:42] the 1920s
[1:29:45] how um people were examining like the
[1:29:50] the kind the shape of people's heads and
[1:29:54] that was supposed to tell you by that
[1:29:56] about their intelligence. There's
[1:29:59] something like that coming back that
[1:30:01] they can they think maybe
[1:30:06] you could tell if somebody's going to
[1:30:08] have uh um Alzheimer's from the shape of
[1:30:13] their head or some kind of you know
[1:30:16] Yeah.
[1:30:20] Yeah. Then everybody's going to go and
[1:30:22] you know, okay, cram it up this way.
[1:30:24] [laughter] I don't want everybody
[1:30:26] thinking I'm going to get on. Well, you
[1:30:28] must have it if you're acting that way.
[1:30:31] [laughter]
[1:30:33] It's nutty. Okay.
[1:30:37] Okay. We look at at things our
[1:30:39] aggregates or at external aggregates.
[1:30:42] Yeah. As things that we use that belong
[1:30:45] to us and will bring us pleasure. That
[1:30:49] is as mind. And we think of people like
[1:30:52] that.
[1:30:54] my boyfriend, my girlfriend, my husband,
[1:30:56] my wife, my professor, mine,
[1:31:00] therefore they are XYZ and they must be
[1:31:05] ABC.
[1:31:08] And we establish doctrines and views
[1:31:11] about the self. [snorts]
[1:31:14] People who are short,
[1:31:18] you know. Oh, no. It's people who are
[1:31:21] tall are more self-confident.
[1:31:26] Yeah. Just talk to some short women and
[1:31:30] you'll realize that is not true. Okay.
[1:31:35] Yeah. Short women can be very,
[1:31:40] >> can't we? Yeah. [laughter]
[1:31:44] But
[1:31:45] yeah, but you know, you judge people
[1:31:48] according to to their height or you know
[1:31:51] people who weigh X amount are and you
[1:31:54] give some kind of value judgment about
[1:31:57] them. All this kind of stuff.
[1:32:01] Oh, and how we diagnose people. Yeah.
[1:32:05] Based on their miscell miscellaneous
[1:32:08] factor. Oh, this person gets,
[1:32:12] you know, sometimes they're happy and
[1:32:14] sometimes they're miserable. Okay. So,
[1:32:18] sometimes they're feeling aggra,
[1:32:21] sometimes it's miserable. Sometimes they
[1:32:24] they are attached to people, sometimes
[1:32:27] they see the people um you know too
[1:32:31] critical. So that's miscellaneous.
[1:32:34] You know, we get so involved in this and
[1:32:37] then we develop doctrines.
[1:32:41] Yeah. And philosophies about it. And
[1:32:45] what this is what the Nazis were
[1:32:47] investigating a lot. You know, the Nazi
[1:32:50] doctors that did all these experiments
[1:32:53] to on twins on all sorts of people to
[1:32:57] see things.
[1:32:59] Yeah.
[1:33:01] because that will, you know, determine
[1:33:05] whether they should go to uh to work or
[1:33:09] whether they should go to the gas
[1:33:11] chamber right right away. Are they going
[1:33:14] to be useful citizens? Are they going to
[1:33:16] be
[1:33:18] dump dumps? You know,
[1:33:21] okay.
[1:33:23] Considering the body is I some people
[1:33:27] believe that when the body desires dies
[1:33:30] the self becomes non-existent
[1:33:33] that's a doctrine we make yeah how many
[1:33:36] of you believe that at one point in your
[1:33:39] life
[1:33:41] you know when I die that's it finished
[1:33:44] yeah thinking the self is unchanging
[1:33:48] monolithic and autonomous
[1:33:51] other people assert it as an eternal
[1:33:55] personal identity, a self, a otman or
[1:33:58] soul. How many people had that view at
[1:34:02] one time or another in their life?
[1:34:05] Yeah. Oh, we were extremists. Sometimes
[1:34:08] we were needless. Sometimes we are
[1:34:11] absolutists.
[1:34:13] There are the two extremes in one
[1:34:16] lifetime,
[1:34:18] you know. And now hopefully we're going
[1:34:20] towards the middle way.
[1:34:24] Then they speculate on whether the self
[1:34:28] atman or soul is universal or
[1:34:31] individual.
[1:34:33] Yeah. Is there one big mind and we are
[1:34:36] all chips off of it?
[1:34:40] Yeah. So is there one universal mind or
[1:34:44] do we all have individual minds? Yeah.
[1:34:49] Do we have a soul?
[1:34:52] Yeah. Do do AI computers have souls?
[1:34:58] This is a big hot topic now. [gasps] Do
[1:35:03] they have consciousness? Do they have
[1:35:05] souls?
[1:35:08] Yeah.
[1:35:11] When your computer blacks out, is it
[1:35:14] going to go to heaven or hell? Does God
[1:35:17] send the soul of the computers up or
[1:35:20] down? Or do the people who invent the
[1:35:23] computers do that?
[1:35:28] We're going to see a whole bunch of
[1:35:30] interesting
[1:35:32] and ridiculous doctrines
[1:35:35] in the near years. [clears throat]
[1:35:38] Okay. Then they speculate on whether
[1:35:41] yeah the self the atman or soul is
[1:35:44] universal or individual. Is it finite or
[1:35:48] infinite?
[1:35:51] Yeah. Does it end or is does it go on
[1:35:55] forever?
[1:35:57] Yeah. When somebody believe some people
[1:36:00] believe in rebirth
[1:36:03] but when you're reborn you get um you
[1:36:07] know like your feeling aggregate from
[1:36:10] one person in your uh line in your
[1:36:14] lineage. You get your um discrimination
[1:36:18] aggregate from another person you know.
[1:36:22] Yeah. As if
[1:36:24] Yeah. You're a compilation of different
[1:36:27] parts of other people's souls.
[1:36:32] Listen, there's these philosophies out
[1:36:35] there. I met some people who on that one
[1:36:39] who who had it. Okay. In this way, so
[1:36:43] many doctrines and views about the self
[1:36:46] have arisen throughout human history
[1:36:50] and tangled up the mind of the people
[1:36:53] who have them and caused wars.
[1:36:58] Cuz this is what people kill each other
[1:37:02] in. You know, is your soul saved or not?
[1:37:09] You know, you don't believe in the soul.
[1:37:12] You don't believe God created you with
[1:37:15] the soul. You are a what's the word?
[1:37:19] Heretic.
[1:37:20] >> Yeah. You should be killed.
[1:37:25] Listen, read, if you don't believe this,
[1:37:28] read European history.
[1:37:31] People killed each other in the name of
[1:37:34] God every generation.
[1:37:38] And is I mean this is exactly what this
[1:37:42] the text is describing here developing
[1:37:45] theories. Look at what's happening in
[1:37:48] Europe right now. You know there's uh
[1:37:52] years ago there was uh a lot of people
[1:37:56] from Turkey and some Muslim countries
[1:37:58] immigrating.
[1:38:00] um [clears throat] they were freeing
[1:38:02] fleeing um you know messes in their own
[1:38:08] country and going to Europe and Germany
[1:38:11] was accepted a lot of these people yeah
[1:38:15] and and you know some people were f for
[1:38:20] it and saying yes we are a welcoming
[1:38:22] compassionate country we're fine now the
[1:38:27] ADF in Germany is saying there's too
[1:38:30] many immigrants. We don't like these
[1:38:32] people. They're here illegally. Get rid
[1:38:35] of them.
[1:38:37] Yeah. And it's just over
[1:38:41] the shape of the body, the color of the
[1:38:43] skin.
[1:38:47] Yeah. The language that they speak, it's
[1:38:51] so ridiculous.
[1:38:53] But again making theories, philosophies
[1:38:59] about all this.
[1:39:01] [clears throat]
[1:39:03] Okay.
[1:39:06] I think that's a good point to stop
[1:39:09] today, huh? Yeah. You can worry about
[1:39:13] your soul.
[1:39:18] Yeah. Oh, I mean
[1:39:23] if you go to Israel, you know, because
[1:39:25] there the three Abrahamic
[1:39:28] religions are there and there's, you
[1:39:31] know, one
[1:39:33] driving towards Jerusalem. There's one
[1:39:36] cemetery where they bury the Jews
[1:39:39] because on the day of judgment you God
[1:39:45] brings you back to life
[1:39:47] you know and then you know there's other
[1:39:51] cemeteries for the the Muslims what they
[1:39:54] do and other cemeteries for the Jews for
[1:39:57] the Christians
[1:39:59] you know depending on what people
[1:40:02] believe happens to your body,
[1:40:06] this piece of organic material which is
[1:40:10] impermanent
[1:40:12] and decaying.
[1:40:14] You know, they fight wars
[1:40:18] over the theories of what's happening
[1:40:22] happen to you after you die.
[1:40:28] It's so amazing our our world what
[1:40:33] people think and how much we cause each
[1:40:36] other's suffering isn't it?
[1:40:41] Okay. So see how this relates to this
[1:40:46] point. How we take the one aggregate or
[1:40:50] another and [clears throat] either see
[1:40:53] it as I as the self or as mine or my my
[1:41:00] this my that.
[1:41:02] Yeah. I mean look people who have kids
[1:41:07] my child.
[1:41:09] Oh my god. You know, all you do that
[1:41:13] twoletter word my
[1:41:17] and your whole relationship to that
[1:41:20] other living being changes.
[1:41:24] And it's it's just the the idea of my do
[1:41:30] you ever possess another sentient being?
[1:41:34] No.
[1:41:37] But my child spelled cat k a t.
[1:41:45] What's going to happen to them?
[1:41:50] Anyway,
[1:41:51] we're going to do the bell and drum.
[1:41:54] That's what's going to happen to all of
[1:41:55] our parents kids. [laughter]
[1:42:02] Okay.
[1:42:04] So, what
[1:42:15] So there's a lot in this to think about,
[1:42:18] don't you think?
[1:42:20] Yeah, there's a lot.
[1:42:26] May the spiritual teachers who lead me
[1:42:30] on the sacred path [singing]
[1:42:34] and all spiritual
[1:42:36] friends who practice it have long life.
[1:42:42] May I [singing] pacify completely all
[1:42:45] outer and inner hindrances.
[1:42:49] Grant such inspiration [singing]
[1:42:52] I pray. May the lives of the venles
[1:42:57] [singing]
[1:42:58] spiritual menures be stable
[1:43:02] and their virtuous
[1:43:04] actions spread in the 10.
[1:43:11] May the light [singing] of love song's
[1:43:13] teachings dispeling the darkness
[1:43:18] of the beings and the [singing] three
[1:43:21] worlds always
[1:43:24] increase.
[1:43:31] [singing]
[1:43:32] Due to this merit, may we soon attain
[1:43:36] the awakened state of Guru Buddha that
[1:43:40] we may be able to liberate all sentient
[1:43:44] beings from their suffering.
[1:43:48] May the precious bod not yet born arise
[1:43:52] and grow. May thou born of no decline
[1:43:56] but increase forever more in the snowy
[1:44:00] mountain pure land. You're the source of
[1:44:03] good and happiness.
[1:44:05] Powerful tens and guilts of generosity.
[1:44:09] May you stay until some sorrow ends. May
[1:44:14] the deeds of explaining and practicing
[1:44:18] the dharma
[1:44:20] down by groups supporting the teachings
[1:44:24] and there are holders
[1:44:27] who spread the view of dependent arising
[1:44:33] and nonviolent
[1:44:35] actions in the tendecially
[1:44:43] of a in the west flish.