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[1:14] [Music]
[1:18] People, Episode 146: The profound relationship
[1:22] between our home and our
[1:25] [Music]
[1:29] psyche.
[1:31] [Music]
[1:42] In a more superficial analysis of
[1:44] someone's home, we can get some
[1:47] impressions of... A person's character can be quite different from how
[1:50] organized, meticulous, or simply unpretentious they
[1:53] are,
[1:58] whether they pay attention to
[2:00] details or not.
[2:02] But a person's house—my house,
[2:07] your house—can reveal much deeper aspects
[2:12] about us. The house reflects our
[2:15] psychic, emotional, and
[2:18] mental environment. We've already explored the
[2:21] symbolic meaning of the house in dreams—the house as a
[2:25] symbol of the psyche in dreams—not
[2:29] long ago. In fact, I shared a
[2:31] dream about a house I recognized
[2:33] as mine; it was under renovation, which was very relevant
[2:36] to my current
[2:38] crisis, where I was
[2:40] very emotionally disturbed and
[2:44] also undergoing renovations. Now we're going to explore the
[2:47] relationship between the psyche and our
[2:50] physical home, the place where we live. This is
[2:53] a very close relationship that
[2:56] functions as a two-way street. In one
[2:59] direction, how we use,
[3:03] care for, and organize our house says a lot
[3:06] about our psyche. In the other direction,
[3:10] we can even transform
[3:12] aspects of the psyche through caring
[3:14] for our
[3:16] home. It's no coincidence that cleaning and
[3:19] organizing our spaces is a path to
[3:22] mental purification and
[3:24] spiritual elevation for various
[3:26] religious traditions, such as... Christianity,
[3:29] Buddhism, Hinduism—
[3:32] this episode can change your
[3:35] concepts about activities like cleaning and
[3:38] organizing a house, which we generally
[3:40] consider boring, tedious,
[3:44] even detestable.
[3:46] But if we understand what the house says
[3:49] about us and eventually take care of it
[3:52] with a certain intention, it can
[3:55] be
[3:59] therapeutic.
[4:00] [Music]
[4:11] For this episode, I asked for help from
[4:14] my dear friend Anderson Silva, who
[4:17] became a professional in
[4:19] home harmonization and sees in his daily life how
[4:22] this relationship between home and psyche
[4:24] works. It's such a close relationship that
[4:28] he decided to train in
[4:30] analysis. He's already finishing his work
[4:33] with people's homes; that's what
[4:35] sparked his interest. Today, his project
[4:38] is called "House in Therapy." I left
[4:41] his handle in the episode description. I met
[4:44] Anderson on Instagram years ago in one of
[4:47] my posts. He talked about his
[4:49] professional transition from the
[4:51] corporate world to
[4:53] home harmonization, trading his computer for
[4:56] cleaning supplies in 2016. Satisfied
[5:00] with his work and wanting a
[5:03] radical change, he made a list of things he
[5:06] liked to do and did well, and cleaning stood
[5:10] out. Working with cleaning and
[5:13] Organizing homes made perfect
[5:16] sense to him. He advertised his services
[5:19] to a group of friends on Facebook, and it
[5:21] was met with general surprise. People
[5:25] commented, "What do you mean,
[5:27] cleaning? You have a career
[5:30] stuck in your head?" He felt a little embarrassed, but he
[5:33] stood by his choice and started working as a
[5:35] cleaner, a job that is unjustly
[5:38] undervalued and
[5:41] invisible. While cleaning, he began
[5:45] to observe how people organized
[5:47] their homes, or rather, how they often did
[5:50] n't organize them. Once
[5:54] the houses were clean and tidy, the residents
[5:57] commented that their domestic vibe had
[5:59] changed and that it had done
[6:02] them good. Then, more complex houses began to appear, belonging to
[6:05] people who were
[6:08] going through difficult times or had
[6:11] some significant psychological issue,
[6:14] sometimes a mental health disorder.
[6:17] In these situations, it was common for the person to
[6:20] abandon the care of the house because they
[6:23] felt abandoned or abandoned
[6:26] themselves,
[6:28] Anderson recounted. In these houses, he found
[6:30] several signs of neglect: dirty dishes
[6:34] piled up in the sink for days, expired
[6:37] or spoiled food in the refrigerator, piles of dirty
[6:40] clothes, objects scattered, sometimes
[6:43] thrown around the house, accumulated garbage, lots of
[6:47] dust, dirt, and grime.
[6:51] The relationship
[6:53] between the house and the home became increasingly clear. The owner's psychological state:
[6:56] an emblematic case of this relationship.
[7:00] The first one Anderson
[7:01] truly delved into was that of a young woman who
[7:04] lived alone and worked from home;
[7:08] practically her world was within
[7:09] those four
[7:11] walls. After agreeing to the cleaning,
[7:14] she wanted to back out, feeling ashamed
[7:17] to show her house, but eventually she
[7:20] overcame her resistance and opened her home
[7:23] to Anderson. Everything there was very
[7:26] neglected, he recounts. As I
[7:30] started going there, we began to
[7:33] talk. Around the sixth or seventh
[7:35] session, she told me about
[7:38] episodes of abuse in childhood that
[7:40] continued to reverberate into adulthood,
[7:43] and that she felt, perceived herself, like
[7:46] trash; everything around her reflected this. It
[7:51] was from this session that I
[7:53] understood that my work wasn't just about
[7:55] cleaning. Anderson created
[7:59] a collaborative cleaning system with this client;
[8:01] they both cleaned the house
[8:04] together. This was a way for her to get
[8:07] more in touch with her home and with
[8:09] herself, with the reasons why things around her were the way they were.
[8:12] There was a
[8:15] moment with Anderson when she
[8:18] concluded that the way she dealt with the
[8:20] house, her belongings, the cleaning, the
[8:23] organization, was the way she dealt
[8:26] with herself, given the way... She saw
[8:29] herself
[8:30] [Music]
[8:39] The disorder of a house has other
[8:41] reasons besides
[8:43] self-neglect; often it can be
[8:46] reflecting a disorder in the person's own inner world. It's a
[8:49] fact, says Anderson, that there are those who
[8:53] don't like taking care of the house, or don't know how,
[8:56] or don't have the skill for it. But from what
[9:00] he observes, in general, aspects such as
[9:03] not having a defined domestic routine,
[9:06] leaving many things undone or
[9:08] unfinished tasks, not having
[9:10] designated places for things, lack of
[9:13] organization in taking care of the house—these
[9:16] are also signs of a certain
[9:18] internal disorganization in the
[9:20] person. Sometimes, externally, the person
[9:23] is well-groomed, wears nice clothes, takes great
[9:27] care of their appearance, and is
[9:29] impeccable. But then you go to see
[9:32] their house and it's nothing like that; it's chaos. As
[9:36] Anderson observes, by dressing up
[9:39] externally, the person seeks to show themselves
[9:41] as someone organized, well-adjusted,
[9:44] empowered, and in control of themselves, but inside they do
[9:48] n't feel organized. And this is
[9:50] reflected in their home. One of
[9:54] his clients who had this issue was very
[9:56] aware of it; she said, "I put on
[10:00] makeup and dress up, but inside I
[10:02] feel messy and chaotic." I remember
[10:06] a phrase of hers: "I don't see myself as a
[10:08] person." "Well, I see myself as ugly," says Anderson.
[10:12] In turn, there are people who go to the other
[10:15] extreme: super-
[10:17] organization in their homes. Everything has an
[10:20] exact place, everything has to be the way
[10:22] they've determined it should be. When
[10:25] Anderson attends to someone like this, he even
[10:28] photographs the person's house before
[10:31] starting the cleaning, so as not to
[10:33] risk leaving anything out of place.
[10:35] Because if he leaves even a little bit
[10:38] out of place, the person gets stressed. What does this
[10:41] say about the psyche of its owner? This
[10:44] super-organized house, where everything has to be
[10:47] meticulously in its
[10:49] place, represents a rigid, controlling personality
[10:52] that demands everything be in order
[10:55] and that people do things perfectly, and that
[10:58] transfers their demand
[11:01] for order and perfection to their home. There's also the person who
[11:05] owns many things, many ornaments
[11:08] on the furniture, shelves in the house to
[11:11] house a collection of trinkets and
[11:13] knick-knacks, many household utensils that
[11:16] overflow the kitchen cabinets and
[11:18] end up invading the sink and the
[11:21] dining table, many clothes crammed onto the
[11:24] closet hangers, overflowing from the
[11:27] drawers, many cosmetics on the
[11:31] bathroom sink. What does this house full of
[11:33] belongings say about its owner? It's about
[11:37] someone who seeks, through their..."
[11:39] Possessions fulfill one's needs or provide a
[11:42] sense of security, like "I will
[11:46] lack nothing." A person needs to look
[11:49] around and feel that they have things, feel
[11:52] that
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[11:58] possesses
[11:59] [Music] has.
[12:04] A person who hoards many things,
[12:08] these things may not even be visible to
[12:10] everyone. The house has a clean and
[12:12] tidy appearance, but look inside the
[12:15] closets. This is my mother's pattern.
[12:19] My mother's house was always spotless,
[12:21] well-cared for, organized, and well-decorated, but
[12:26] in the closets, in the spaces where it was
[12:28] possible to store objects, there were things
[12:31] there from
[12:33] decades after my mother became ill.
[12:35] She has dementia. My two brothers and I
[12:38] did a big cleaning of the house to
[12:41] accommodate my sister who was going to
[12:43] live there. It was necessary to make space. We
[12:47] were shocked by the amount of
[12:49] things my mother had stored:
[12:52] ornaments, bags, accessories,
[12:56] costume jewelry, objects of all kinds that
[12:59] I recognized from the time I was a
[13:01] child. There were even remnants of the first
[13:04] wallpaper that covered my
[13:06] old room. This is from
[13:11] 1976. It's not that she started hoarding
[13:14] things after a certain age, as is
[13:17] common. My mother always...
[13:20] She kept things since she was
[13:22] young. We filled a dozen
[13:25] 200-liter plastic bags plus another dozen
[13:28] cardboard boxes, and there's still space in the
[13:31] house we haven't looked at. What does this
[13:34] say about my mother? Well, she was a
[13:37] very fixed person with very
[13:40] ingrained habits, who always cooked the same
[13:42] dishes, maintained the same decoration in the
[13:45] house for 50 years, a stubborn person. It was
[13:49] difficult to make my mother change her mind,
[13:52] a person of attachments, and all of this is
[13:56] reflected in her
[13:58] house. And you know, when her memory was already
[14:01] impaired because of
[14:03] dementia, she would spend part of the day
[14:05] going through her cupboards, opening doors
[14:08] and drawers, seeing what was inside. It was
[14:12] as if she were trying to
[14:14] remember her past or perhaps
[14:17] recognize herself in her things. While some have a
[14:21] very full house, others have an empty,
[14:23] arid house without elements that give a
[14:27] touch of welcome, like a Pete,
[14:29] cushions on the sofa, a warm-light lamp
[14:32] to make the room cozy at
[14:34] night, or perhaps something to brighten it up,
[14:38] like a plant in a pot, a
[14:40] striking painting on the wall. You might think, "Ah,
[14:45] this is a detached person who doesn't..." Maybe she cares
[14:47] about
[14:48] decorating. But if she doesn't care about
[14:52] making her house welcoming, if she doesn't
[14:54] miss a feeling of coziness, it's a
[14:57] sign that she doesn't care about her
[14:59] comfort, her well-being, or perhaps she does
[15:03] n't think she deserves it. Her relationship
[15:07] with herself is arid, like the house. An
[15:10] empty house could also be a portrait of
[15:13] a feeling of inner emptiness. A house
[15:16] that always has its windows closed is
[15:19] a portrait of someone also closed off, withdrawn,
[15:21] who avoids exposing themselves to the
[15:25] outside world. A dark, sad house is a reflection of
[15:29] a
[15:31] sad person, says Anderson. Everything in a house
[15:34] relates to a person's relationship with
[15:37] themselves, the way they think about cleaning,
[15:40] organizing their things, their clothes, the
[15:43] food in the refrigerator—I see this
[15:47] repeating itself as a pattern. Now I'm
[15:50] here pondering my own pattern. Everything
[15:53] that's routine in the care of my
[15:56] house is up to date, it's in order, but things
[16:00] outside the routine,
[16:02] exceptional things, I leave undone for ages. I've
[16:06] literally been meaning to
[16:08] get new curtains for two
[16:11] windows for months, and that's stalled. There's a picture
[16:14] to be hung, it's leaning against the wall. The
[16:18] plant that was in the living room got a fungus,
[16:20] and I moved it outside, but...
[16:23] I put another one in its place, it's been weeks since I've had a
[16:26] plant in the living room because I do
[16:29] exactly the same thing with the ones that
[16:32] leave my life. It's been a while since I've had a plant in my living
[17:14] room, and I do the same thing with the ones that leave my house. Some things in my relationship with myself also happen in my relationship with my house. The positive side of all this is that it's not difficult to identify aspects of our psyche or our relationship with ourselves, since they are reflected in our home. Just look around, look at your own room or other
[17:17] personal spaces, the wardrobe, the
[17:21] work desk. So, to recognize
[17:23] facets of ourselves, we can look at
[17:27] our house or that
[17:29] personal space and ask ourselves what this place
[17:33] is saying about me.
[17:50] Up to this point, we've seen how the psyche
[17:53] is reflected in the way we care for our home.
[17:56] Now the subject is how conscious care
[18:00] for the home can influence our
[18:03] psyche. Anderson says that as
[18:07] people incorporate this form of
[18:09] care for the home and change certain
[18:11] habits, at the very least their
[18:14] well-being increases, their mood
[18:17] improves. For example, in an orderly house
[18:21] where things are in their places, there's
[18:23] no stress of
[18:25] looking for an object. A change of clothes
[18:27] at the last minute before going
[18:29] out; someone who spent the day in a
[18:31] completely closed apartment, the air stagnant
[18:34] inside, and then starts opening the windows to
[18:37] renew the air and let the sun in—
[18:40] that alone makes a tremendous difference to the
[18:42] atmosphere of the environment and the person themselves, leading to
[18:46] a more positive mood and a
[18:49] tendency to have more
[18:51] positive thoughts. Suddenly, the person
[18:54] begins to enjoy the house, brings
[18:56] flowers to decorate the living room, paints a
[18:59] wall to give the environment a boost. It
[19:01] makes sense, right? Creating harmony around
[19:04] us contributes to harmony
[19:07] within
[19:09] us. Furthermore, dedicating oneself to the
[19:13] care of the house can become a
[19:15] form of personal improvement, as
[19:19] proposed by some religious traditions in
[19:22] Catholic convents and monasteries,
[19:24] Buddhist monasteries, and Hindu monasteries.
[19:28] The residents spend a good part of the day
[19:31] doing household chores, not only
[19:33] because they are necessary but because they are
[19:36] seen as a form of
[19:38] spiritual elevation. I read a book about this; it's the
[19:42] cleaning manual of a Buddhist monk by the
[19:45] Japanese author Kisuki Matsumoto. He recounts that
[19:48] every day the monks do a
[19:50] meticulous cleaning of all the
[19:53] rooms of the house. Temple cleaning involves washing, scrubbing, dusting, sweeping, and polishing, even
[19:59] if the floor isn't dirty. After all,
[20:02] the same thorough cleaning was
[20:05] done the day before. This is because the purpose of cleaning
[20:08] temples isn't just to remove
[20:10] physical dirt; it's above all to purify the mind.
[20:16] Here are some phrases I thought of from Livy: "
[20:20] Impurities accumulate in the dust and
[20:23] clutter the mind, and this is reflected in the
[20:25] dirt that appears in the rooms. Cleaning
[20:29] isn't just the opposite of getting dirty; it's a
[20:32] practice that leads to
[20:35] spiritual improvement. Life is a daily asceticism,
[20:39] and every gesture reflects on the formation of
[20:59] the spirit, which is stained by careless acts and purified by correct conduct. At that moment, the surroundings also shine. Dust accumulates as soon as the house has been cleaned; dry leaves fall in the newly swept garden. It's the same with the spirit; the moment
[21:02] we believe ourselves to be immaculate,
[21:04] impure thoughts reappear.
[21:08] Attachment to the past and anxiety about the
[21:10] future distance us from the present. That's why
[21:14] monks concentrate all their energy
[21:16] when polishing the floor. Cleaning is a
[21:20] task that brings everything to the present moment.
[21:24] There is a greater reason in this." Keeping the
[21:26] rooms pleasantly
[21:29] clean. What's the point of illustrating something
[21:32] that's already clean? Perhaps you think
[21:35] polishing the floor conveys a true
[21:38] understanding of spiritual cleanliness. The
[21:41] Gisso temple in Kyoto is famous for its
[21:43] dark floor that mirrors the
[21:46] autumn leaves. How much polish was needed for
[21:50] it to reflect
[21:52] images! Polish the floor as if you were polishing the
[21:55] mirror that reflects your soul. [End quote] That
[21:59] is, for the monks, fascination is an
[22:03] exercise of attention in the present moment,
[22:05] which dispels thoughts,
[22:07] distractions, and mental ruminations.
[22:11] Therefore, it cleans and at the same time, cleaning
[22:15] is an activity that signifies purification,
[22:18] constantly reminding them that they
[22:20] are not only cleaning the floor but also
[22:22] cleaning their minds. For those who dedicate their
[22:25] lives to spiritual elevation, this must be
[22:28] powerful. In Buddhism, there's the
[22:31] story of a disciple of Buddha who
[22:33] achieved enlightenment by sweeping the floor,
[22:36] such was the concentration and devotion
[22:38] he developed with this task over
[22:42] [Music]
[22:48] [Music]
[22:56] years. Truth be told, our lives are very
[23:00] different from those of the monks. Following
[23:03] their cleaning manual is out of the question
[23:06] unless we move to a
[23:08] monastery, but look, there is... This manual outlines
[23:11] some interesting principles that
[23:14] can be
[23:15] adopted. Let's look at them: opening the windows
[23:19] every morning, breathing in the air, letting it
[23:22] circulate inside the house. Matsumoto says
[23:25] that cleaning the rooms isn't enough; it's necessary to
[23:28] remove the stagnant air. For
[23:31] the monks, airing the house is airing the mind. If you make a mess, clean it; if you make a mess, tidy it up; if you
[23:36] finish
[23:40] using something, put it away and do it immediately. Don't
[23:43] leave it for later. With this, we avoid
[23:46] tasks piling up, dirt
[23:48] and disorder accumulating. What would be the
[23:51] meaning of this, according to
[23:54] Matsumoto? Not letting the seeds of
[23:56] imbalance germinate in the mind, not
[23:59] letting
[24:01] thoughts like "I'll do it tomorrow," "I
[24:04] need to do such and such," "I've had this on my
[24:06] head since yesterday" keep returning to the mind. Hmm, that one hit
[24:09] me like a ton of bricks. Here I am with
[24:12] my curtains, the picture, the
[24:14] living room plant. I know very well how these
[24:16] thoughts keep coming back and causing
[24:19] annoyance. We don't need that.
[24:23] There's this other principle here: when cleaning
[24:26] the house, handle objects with
[24:28] delicacy and gratitude for their existence.
[24:32] In the monk's view, objects demand
[24:35] time and energy to be created and
[24:37] carry within them the energy of their
[24:40] creators. Respecting objects is like
[24:43] respecting people, but that doesn't
[24:46] mean we should just put everything away in a
[24:49] cupboard. Even old objects still
[24:52] hold life within them, and if we
[24:55] donate them, they can be useful to someone.
[24:59] Matsumoto says, "Allow the objects
[25:02] that have served you to
[25:04] fulfill their function in the hands of
[25:07] others. Be grateful for these objects and
[25:10] pass them on." This is a way to
[25:14] value them. And finally, there's this
[25:16] principle here, which I think is
[25:18] perfectly practical: do our
[25:21] cleaning and tidying activities
[25:24] keeping in mind that this
[25:27] somehow reflects on our
[25:30] inner selves. Our house doesn't need to be
[25:34] luxurious, large, adorned, or even new;
[25:39] it just needs to be a place that reflects
[25:41] how we want to be inside. If
[25:44] we want more joy inside,
[25:47] let's make our house a cheerful place
[25:50] with a little color, a vase of flowers
[25:53] on the table, objects that bring us good
[25:56] feelings or memories. If
[25:59] we want to have a more
[26:01] organized mind, let's organize our
[26:04] things. Let's only have what we
[26:06] really need, without excesses, without
[26:10] superfluities, just as we don't want
[26:12] excessive thoughts to fill our
[26:15] minds. We want to like
[26:19] ourselves more, so let's make our house
[26:22] welcoming and pleasant to be in. Receive
[26:26] all this comfort from
[26:30] ourselves, may you be well, a
[26:57] hug.