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Opening to Joy: How toCultivate Aliveness in Daily Life

Tara Brach
Tara Brach
Aug 27, 2026
8 min read
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How much joy do you experience in your life? It's a deceptively simple question, yet one that reveals something essential: joy is part of our natural human capacity, and yet our habits of thought and feeling can cut us off from it entirely. In a conversation between Tara Brach and James Baraz, two teachers who have spent decades exploring the landscape of contemplative practice, the subject isn't abstract philosophy—it's the lived question of how we actually become available to happiness in a world full of suffering.

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What Is Joy, Really?

When Baraz speaks of joy, he's not talking about constant euphoria or denying the real griefs of existence. Instead, he describes it as a spectrum of wholesome states—happiness, contentment, peace, gladness, and what Buddhist texts call rapture or bliss. Each exists on a continuum, and each expresses differently depending on your energy, personality, and moment-to-moment experience. What ties them together is a single quality: expansiveness. "All of those wholesome states have in common a quality of expansiveness, uh that all of the unh wholesome or unhealthy states like fear and anger and wanting and all of those things," Baraz explains, "they're all states of contraction." This distinction is crucial. Joy isn't the absence of difficulty—it's an openness, a willingness to be present to life as it actually is. Brach echoes this insight with a story from a retreat participant who said, "The joy is in getting real." That phrase captures something radical: authenticity, being right where you are, and feeling a friendly connection with whatever arises—that's where aliveness lives.

Where Does the Contraction Come From?

Baraz's own journey illuminates why joy can become so elusive, even for dedicated practitioners. He came to Buddhism after experiencing significant internal pain, and the teachings on suffering—the First Noble Truth that suffering exists and can be understood—initially liberated him. He had what he calls "a long honeymoon period about 10 years" doing retreats where his life felt truly alive. But then something shifted. He absorbed a particular interpretation of the teachings—one he now recognizes as a mistranslation of intent—that suggested the goal was to escape this world as quickly as possible. Even sitting with a great master who ended every talk during a three-month retreat with "May you speedily attain enlightenment and escape from the woes of this world," Baraz internalized a message that loving life, enjoying life, even here in this moment, might be spiritual delusion. The result was a spiritual crisis where he lost his joy entirely, despite believing in mindfulness and knowing he was becoming a better person.

What saved him was remembering that the Buddha is called "the Happy One." If enlightenment was the goal, and the Buddha was happy, then something in his interpretation had to be wrong. This recognition became the seed of his 25-year focus on joy—a necessary correction to centuries of teachings that, while pointing toward liberation, had been heard as a negation of life itself.

Why Joy Matters—Especially Now

The stakes of this inquiry extend far beyond personal comfort. Brach and Baraz discuss how joy is not a luxury or indulgence, but a foundation for resilience, genuine connection, and meaningful engagement with the world. In a time of climate crisis, political fragmentation, and collective anxiety, joy becomes radically political. Baraz points to research showing that states of wellbeing expand our capacity for compassion and creativity—the very things the world needs most. When we're contracted by fear or despair, we become less able to show up authentically for others. When we're alive with genuine aliveness, we become more available to love, to serve, to act in ways that aren't born from guilt or obligation but from genuine care.

There's a ripple effect at work here. As Baraz suggests, when you model genuine presence and aliveness, others around you relax and are more able to access their own wellbeing. The more you cultivate joy for yourself—not as selfishness, but as an act of courage and fidelity to life—the more you're actually available to contribute something real to the world.

The Blocks: Inner Critic, Unworthiness, Overwhelm

If joy is intrinsic to us, what specifically blocks it? Baraz identifies several patterns. One is the inner critic—what he calls "aversion by an inner critic," the voice that questions whether you deserve to feel good, that interrupts happiness with doubt ("I can't believe it's me" or "what do they think of me?"). Working with this requires what he calls "a radical kind of kindness for yourself," inviting warmth toward the part of you that doubts.

Another block is unworthiness—a deep somatic belief that it's not safe to let in love or good feeling. Brach and Baraz discuss how this often comes from early wounding or cultural conditioning, and how practices of self-compassion can gradually soften these defenses. When you sense that deep-down critic, Baraz recommends dialoguing with it, asking what it's protecting you from. Often the fear that motivated the protection was real once—and acknowledging that with tenderness is the first step toward releasing its grip.

There's also the overwhelm—the fear that if you let in too much joy or connection, you won't be able to hold it or you'll become a target. This requires what Brach calls "absolute cooperation with the inevitable"—a yes to life that includes the fragility and impermanence inherent in being human.

Practices for Awakening Joy

Baraz has spent 23 years leading year-long programs on awakening joy, which suggests this is not something you wake up to once and then you're done. It's a practice, a cultivation. One foundational practice is noticing: when you feel a moment of genuine wellbeing—whether it's quiet contentment or exuberant delight—pause. Really register it. Let it in. Feel it in your body. This simple act of attention begins to rewire the nervous system's default toward contraction, training awareness to recognize and savor the aliveness that's already available.

Another practice is examining what stands in your way with curiosity rather than judgment. Brach opens the conversation by explicitly inviting listeners not to add judgment to their inquiry: "How much joy do you experience in your life?" The point isn't to feel guilty about not experiencing enough—it's to get honest with yourself so you can work with what's real. From there, practices of loving-kindness, self-compassion, and mindfulness of the subtle ways you habitually defend against aliveness can begin to loosen the knot.

There's also the practice of permission—giving yourself conscious permission to pursue happiness as a priority, not as frivolity. Baraz emphasizes that making happiness a genuine aim isn't selfish; it's radical fidelity to the fullness of being human. A baby, fed and loved, naturally delights in existence. That's our true nature. Reclaiming it is an act of spiritual reclamation.

Joy in Difficult Times

One of the most challenging aspects of this teaching is the question of how to access joy when suffering is real and pressing—both personally and collectively. Brach and Baraz don't offer false comfort here. Instead, they point to the capacity to hold both grief and aliveness simultaneously. As Baraz reflects, there's a distinction between happiness and what he calls "soul sadness"—a deep sorrow that can coexist with genuine aliveness. When you're truly open to life, you're open to its fullness: the beauty and the loss, the connection and the fragility.

In times of crisis, joy becomes an act of resistance and love. It's not about ignoring suffering but about refusing to let suffering become the only truth. When you're awake to the goodness—to the aliveness available right here, right now—you're more able to act from love rather than from despair. As Baraz notes, the Buddha taught that "love everyone. Serve everyone," but this flows from a place of genuine wellbeing, not from depletion or guilt.

The Ripple: How Personal Joy Becomes Collective Healing

One of the most compelling points in the conversation is that cultivating your own joy isn't selfish—it's perhaps one of the most generous things you can do. When you're genuinely present and alive, others feel it and relax into their own aliveness. The quality you embody becomes contagious. Baraz speaks to this directly: when you're in a state of genuine wellbeing, the relaxation and openness you carry influences everyone around you. In a world that desperately needs more people acting from love rather than fear, more people thinking clearly and creatively rather than from contracted reactivity, more people connecting heart-to-heart—your own awakening to joy becomes a gift to the whole.

Where to go from here

Start with the simple inquiry Brach opens with: How much joy do you experience in your life? Don't judge yourself. Just notice. Then begin to observe what happens when you do experience moments of genuine aliveness. Where does it live in your body? What allows it? What interrupts it? If you find yourself caught by an inner critic or a sense of unworthiness, try dialoguing with that voice with curiosity and kindness rather than rejection. And consider making happiness an actual priority—not as escapism, but as an act of fidelity to life itself. For deeper exploration, Baraz's work through his Awakening Joy programs offers structured guidance through these practices over time. The invitation is simple: to reclaim the aliveness that was your birthright, and in doing so, to become more fully available to everyone and everything around you.

Transcript

[0:05] [music]

[0:11] [music]

[0:19] Namaste. Welcome my friends.

[0:22] Like to start with an inquiry for you.

[0:25] Uh please don't add any judgment to it.

[0:28] And the question is how much joy do you

[0:32] experience in your life? How much joy do

[0:36] you experience?

[0:39] And I ask this because joy is a part of

[0:44] our natural human capacity and yet our

[0:48] habits of thought and feeling can keep

[0:51] us from experiencing it. It can be quite

[0:53] rare actually. So opening to joy takes

[0:57] intention and it can be cultivated.

[1:01] Um there's no one I know who's explored

[1:04] and taught about joy more than my very

[1:07] dear friend and teaching colleague James

[1:09] Barz. And today we're having a

[1:12] conversation about joy. Uh what it is,

[1:15] why it matters, what blocks it, what

[1:18] helps us access it. And we'll also look

[1:21] at finding joy in difficult times and

[1:24] how joy can deepen our resilience, our

[1:27] connection, really our whole engagement

[1:29] with life. I want to tell you a little

[1:31] bit more about James. He's the founding

[1:34] teacher of or one of the founding

[1:36] teachers of Spirit Rock. He's the author

[1:39] of Awakening Joy and he leads year-long

[1:42] programs on the same theme. He's done it

[1:44] for 23 years.

[1:47] And just as a human, James is one of the

[1:49] most generous, caring, and wise beings I

[1:53] know. So, I trust you'll enjoy what's to

[1:56] come.

[2:00] Namaste friends. Welcome. Thank you for

[2:03] being here and welcome James.

[2:07] I am so glad to have you with us uh to

[2:10] share you with this community.

[2:14] So, thank you for coming.

[2:16] [clears throat]

[2:16] >> Thank you. so much for having me. I I

[2:18] get to talk with one of my favorite

[2:20] people in the world. What [laughter]

[2:22] could be better than that?

[2:25] [snorts]

[2:25] >> Uh well, let me start with uh I'm going

[2:28] to ask you a question. I'm very curious

[2:30] about that. I

[2:33] talk to people a lot about, you know,

[2:35] work or relationships, their family,

[2:38] their health, their travel, and a lot of

[2:40] emotions can get expressed, but not the

[2:44] word joy. so often it seems rare. So

[2:47] what I wanted to start with asking you

[2:49] was what do you mean by joy and do you

[2:54] think it's rare?

[2:58] Um well

[3:01] when I say joy,

[3:04] it can cover the whole the whole range

[3:07] of

[3:09] wholesome states that make us feel

[3:13] alive. And in in Buddhist teachings, joy

[3:18] is in a lot of lists. It's in the the

[3:21] divine abodess and it's in the seven

[3:23] factors of enlightenment and it's in a

[3:26] number of different lists. Um but um but

[3:32] it also um can stand for there are a

[3:36] number of other similar

[3:39] um states from

[3:43] happiness which is often like a softer

[3:47] less intense than rapture or bliss or

[3:53] contentment

[3:54] or peace or gladness.

[3:59] And in the in the the Buddhist way of

[4:02] seeing things, actually the Buddha kind

[4:04] of turns it things on on its head, we

[4:07] usually think go for the gusto. More

[4:10] intense is better. And in his way of

[4:13] thinking, he says, "Yeah, bliss and

[4:16] rapture,

[4:18] they're good. They're fun. He he enjoyed

[4:20] them himself, but it can be exhausting."

[4:25] So um

[4:28] more refined is a is a a a softer more

[4:32] sustainable kind of um wider happiness

[4:36] and even better than that is contentment

[4:39] and even better than that is peace. So,

[4:44] I don't say uh awakening contentment.

[4:47] It's not not as catchy, but um when I

[4:51] say joy, I'm talking about really all of

[4:54] those states of well-being that are in

[4:57] us. And each person gets expressed in a

[5:00] in a different way. Your energy, your

[5:03] personality, your experience, um they

[5:07] all have to do with a a quality of

[5:10] expansiveness.

[5:12] uh that all of those wholesome states

[5:14] have in common as opposed to contraction

[5:17] that all of the unh wholesome or

[5:21] unhealthy or um what's called accusal

[5:24] states like fear and anger and and

[5:28] wanting and all of those things. They're

[5:30] all states of contraction.

[5:33] So awakening joy,

[5:36] it's right inside of us. We don't have

[5:38] to go looking for it. I don't say

[5:40] discovering finding joy. It's it's

[5:43] intrinsic to all of us and we just uh

[5:46] given the right conditions and and and

[5:49] the right support and and perhaps uh

[5:53] with practice it becomes more and more

[5:56] the place that we live from.

[5:58] >> Uh but that's who we come into this

[6:00] world with. Come into this world if a

[6:04] baby is fed and diapered and given a

[6:06] little bit of love. Um wow. Oh, isn't

[6:09] life wonderfully squeal with delight and

[6:11] that's our true nature?

[6:14] >> Well, I think it's really helpful when

[6:17] you said that they all come from that

[6:19] quality. There's an expansiveness, a

[6:22] non-contraction. And to me, that's very

[6:25] it's a really helpful way for me to to

[6:28] understand. Um I often think of I was at

[6:34] one retreat and uh [clears throat] one

[6:36] of the men that was doing interviews or

[6:39] meeting with me, you know, he he went

[6:41] through these all these ups and downs,

[6:43] you know, he he he was opening to his

[6:46] fear and grief, but also

[6:49] >> [clears throat]

[6:49] >> um stillness, you know, peace. And when

[6:53] he left, he said something that stayed

[6:54] with me. He said, you know, the joy is

[6:58] in getting real.

[7:00] The joy is in getting real. And it

[7:02] really resonated what you were saying is

[7:05] that if we have that spaciousness, you

[7:09] know, where we're open to h whatever's

[7:11] there, that kind of a a yes to life, it

[7:13] can take shape as a more quiet happiness

[7:16] or a more, you know, exuberant joy. But

[7:19] the quality of including

[7:22] of agreeing to life however it is in the

[7:25] moment um you know you know Anthony Dlo

[7:29] puts it absolute cooperation with the

[7:32] inevitable. I know you know that one.

[7:35] >> It's so good isn't it?

[7:37] >> That's great. Yeah. When for me um after

[7:41] I was teaching this uh I started a long

[7:44] time ago and I was saying okay what is

[7:46] the essence of it? And for me, it's a a

[7:49] simple equation that um authenticity,

[7:53] being right where you are and feeling a

[7:57] connection, a friendly connection with

[8:00] with wherever you are, there's an

[8:03] aliveness.

[8:04] >> And it's really that aliveness

[8:07] that I call really the essence of

[8:11] of awakening

[8:13] joy and well-being in us.

[8:15] [clears throat]

[8:16] >> Beautiful. Okay. So next thing I want to

[8:19] know is how did you and I know some of

[8:22] the story but how did you become the joy

[8:24] guy and I'm asking because you know you

[8:27] have been teaching I mean you've been

[8:29] teaching Buddhism for over what 50

[8:32] years.

[8:33] >> Yeah. And and for many as you know the

[8:37] central themes of Buddhism are often

[8:39] around opening to suffering and um and

[8:43] so for the last 25 years uh you focused

[8:47] on joy. So how come you focused on joy?

[8:49] I mean was there like something in your

[8:52] life that happened that you realized I'm

[8:54] missing out on part of life you know I'm

[8:56] overlooking the goodness. What what

[8:58] changed? What happened?

[8:59] >> Yeah. Well, as as often is the case, um

[9:04] life wakes us up in different ways. And

[9:07] um and for me, when I first got into the

[9:12] teachings,

[9:14] I had come from a lot of internal pain.

[9:17] It looked pretty good on the outside,

[9:18] but inside I was hurting. And when I

[9:22] first heard it's possible to not be run

[9:25] by neurot neurotic thoughts, I thought,

[9:28] "Wow, I'd never imagined that before."

[9:31] And I said, "I'm going for it." And I I

[9:34] just dove in and did lots of retreats

[9:37] and just found what I was looking for

[9:40] and had um a long honeymoon period about

[9:46] 10 years where as doing as many retreats

[9:49] that was where my life was so alive and

[9:52] then at some point

[9:55] um the honeymoon ended and I lost my

[9:59] joy. uh won't go into the various

[10:03] factors in that but I took that those

[10:08] teachings on suffering

[10:10] life there is suffering in life there's

[10:12] a cause there's an end and there's a

[10:14] path to the end of suffering that's a

[10:16] lot of suffering and I misconstrued some

[10:20] teachings

[10:21] that could easily be uh mistaken and I

[10:26] was hearing the message it's about

[10:28] getting out of here as as quickly as you

[10:31] can. Uh, I sat with this great master

[10:34] who every

[10:36] the [clears throat] end of every talk

[10:38] for a three-month retreat was, "May you

[10:42] speedily attain

[10:44] enlightenment and escape from the woes

[10:46] of this world."

[10:49] And that started to

[10:54] be taken in. Not here. I I I kind of saw

[10:59] that's not really where it's at. But

[11:01] here in my

[11:04] somatic understanding, it's like, whoa,

[11:08] maybe I'm just kind of fooling myself by

[11:11] loving life and enjoying life. And I

[11:13] went through a kind of spiritual crisis

[11:15] where I lost my joy for for quite some

[11:19] time. Uh I believed in mindfulness. I

[11:22] believed in the practice. I knew that I

[11:25] was a better person. But that message um

[11:30] upset my

[11:33] uh my harmony with and and rhythm uh and

[11:38] with life.

[11:40] Fortunately, I didn't turn my back on

[11:43] the teachings cuz the Buddha is called

[11:45] the happy one. And I said, "Why is he

[11:47] called the happy one? He's talking about

[11:50] suffering all the time." And besides the

[11:54] quiet on a meditation cushion, I wanted

[11:57] to take a look and see well what is real

[12:00] happiness sustainable in one's life not

[12:04] just in the quiet of meditation uh about

[12:08] and I went back to the teachings with

[12:10] that investigative eye and found

[12:14] beautiful beautiful teachings on how we

[12:17] can access

[12:19] these states of well-being and really

[12:22] live from them. And that's how I got

[12:24] into writing about joy.

[12:27] >> I love it. And I also know there's a

[12:30] longing for it. I recently I was doing

[12:33] this uh had a webinar and I did a kind

[12:37] of chat share, you know, we were talking

[12:39] about what's going on in the world and

[12:41] had people share some of the feelings

[12:43] they were having and one person wrote,

[12:46] "Yay, Ted Lasso is back. [laughter]

[12:51] And you could see everybody else's

[12:53] response. It's like there's such a

[12:56] hunger for it. I mean, we can get so

[12:59] addicted to grim. You know, I can see it

[13:02] in my own temperament. And I know for

[13:05] me, two things got me very intentional

[13:08] about happiness. One is just this core

[13:11] Buddhist teaching that it's possible

[13:13] that it's it's it's as you say, it's our

[13:15] nature. it's possible to to access the

[13:18] al the other thing was getting more

[13:22] understanding of our evolution that we

[13:24] really do have a negativity bias a

[13:28] strong conditioning and the more fear

[13:29] there is the more we latch on to the

[13:32] what's wrong so it actually takes

[13:35] intention to unhook and say hey

[13:40] >> I really want to include it's not like I

[13:42] want to live 24/7 in some, you know,

[13:47] ecstatic space. It's but I want that

[13:49] spaciousness, that energy and aliveness

[13:52] you described. I want to have access to

[13:54] it.

[13:55] >> Um,

[13:56] >> yeah.

[13:57] >> I'm sorry. Yeah.

[13:58] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[13:59] >> That that that that is in uh in the book

[14:03] that I wrote and the course that I

[14:05] teach, there are 10 steps and the first

[14:08] step is the key one, the intention

[14:13] for happiness. making that your priority

[14:17] instead of oh when I retire I'll be

[14:19] happy when I meet the right person I'll

[14:21] be happy how can I um how can I open up

[14:25] to life in this moment seeing the good

[14:30] inside and outside and have that as the

[14:32] intention that I'm going to cultivate

[14:35] well-being as much as I can for myself

[14:38] and for everyone and besides the

[14:41] teachings the one other thing that has

[14:44] been part of my history. I came into

[14:47] uh Buddhist teachings uh from um from

[14:52] the a devotional

[14:54] >> uh place you know be here now by Ramdas

[14:58] who was one of my two main teachers

[15:01] changed my life

[15:02] >> and Neim curly baba if I can if it's

[15:07] okay to

[15:09] share this you know this guy he just

[15:12] kind of leaped right out of the book and

[15:15] into into my heart saying,

[15:19] "Love everyone,

[15:22] >> love everyone. Serve everyone. Um,

[15:26] remember what it's all about. Remember

[15:28] God." And that was my nature. I love to

[15:32] sing. I love to dance. I love to have

[15:35] fun. And I had lost that for a while.

[15:38] And now um I got it back. Um and and

[15:42] when I came alive, I said, "Oh, that's

[15:44] who I really am." So, um that was

[15:49] dormant in there for a while and then,

[15:51] "Okay, I'm I'm doing it. Um I'm coming

[15:55] back."

[15:57] >> So, um one of the things we share is how

[16:00] it really comes down to embodying love.

[16:04] And you and I both talk a lot about how

[16:09] right in the middle of that there's the

[16:11] uh how exceptional it is to be able to

[16:14] love our own being. This this being

[16:17] right here. So just want to invite you

[16:21] to speak to that a little and how you

[16:25] guide people. If you could just kind of

[16:27] give a like a little synopsis when

[16:30] someone is really hooked by uh self-

[16:33] aversion by an inner critic.

[16:39] >> That's the key turnaround.

[16:41] >> Mhm.

[16:42] >> That's the key turnaround. you know, the

[16:44] um there's

[16:47] there's mindfulness and there's

[16:49] gratitude and there's dealing with the

[16:51] the hard stuff and there's living with

[16:54] integrity and learning to let go. But um

[16:58] the key is

[17:00] how do I relate to this form of life

[17:02] called me? And when I

[17:06] see people and I'd say oh about 95% of

[17:11] the people who come through retreats

[17:13] um either they have

[17:17] awakened from that self uh criticism or

[17:22] judgment or that's their key step but

[17:24] it's before or after. Um not and it's a

[17:29] continuum but it's kind of instead of

[17:32] having the

[17:34] the negativity bias and looking at

[17:36] yourself through that lens of oh, I

[17:39] can't believe it's me or what do they

[17:41] find out if it's who I really am. It's

[17:44] kind of seeing, oh,

[17:47] like uh I'm thinking of Maryanne

[17:49] Williamson says, you're a child of God.

[17:51] You're playing small doesn't serve the

[17:53] world. And um and so

[17:58] that was the process for me. Like I

[18:00] said, I didn't like myself very much.

[18:02] There's a few different ways uh that I

[18:06] have found helpful to guide people. Um

[18:10] first is to look at all the judgments

[18:13] and see it is that so and just have hold

[18:18] hold all of your

[18:20] um conditioning with a lot of um a lot

[18:24] of compassion and patience and and

[18:26] understanding. These are just habits of

[18:28] mind that you got a lot of company like

[18:32] 99% of the of the world. But then it's

[18:36] going beyond that. [clears throat] And

[18:38] the one way that I have of of sharing,

[18:42] one exercise that I do as far as loving

[18:45] kindness for for yourself is uh inviting

[18:49] people to

[18:51] to think of their their best friend or

[18:54] somebody who who they know really loves

[18:57] them.

[18:59] And

[19:01] um they

[19:05] your best friend sees who you really

[19:08] are. And this came to me on a a long

[19:11] loving kindness retreat. And this was a

[19:13] I was like for six weeks I was

[19:16] practicing opening my heart. And the

[19:18] first week was loving kindness to

[19:19] myself. And it was kind of going okay.

[19:23] So So I wasn't hard on myself. And then

[19:25] somebody popped in my mind who I knew

[19:27] really loved me. And I said, "God, this

[19:29] would be so much easier if I could just

[19:31] see what they see." And then I connected

[19:34] the dots and I said, "What do they see?

[19:37] Why do they love me so much?" And I

[19:39] imagined being them and looking through

[19:43] their eyes at me.

[19:45] And um I saw who I was from a different

[19:50] vantage point that it was so obvious it

[19:54] wasn't like you are some amazing human

[19:56] being. It was just, you know, you're a

[19:59] good guy. That was it. [laughter] That

[20:03] was that was the whole turn. You know,

[20:05] you're a decent guy. Yeah. You're of

[20:08] course I'm getting chills as I'm I'm

[20:11] saying this

[20:13] cuz um

[20:16] it's lifechanging.

[20:18] And um and so I invite people to do that

[20:23] to look at themselves

[20:25] in a in a guided exercise.

[20:28] Just think of somebody who who loves

[20:31] you. See who they see that they wish

[20:34] that you could probably see all the

[20:36] goodness that they see. And then just uh

[20:40] get a sense you've been having a

[20:43] Einstein calls it we live in an optical

[20:46] delusion of consciousness. And just

[20:48] getting out of that optical delusion and

[20:51] seeing what everybody sees except you.

[20:55] You're the last often to know. But that

[20:59] changes everything, you know. I'm

[21:01] curious about you.

[21:03] >> Yeah.

[21:03] >> Yeah. No, I'm with you. um having been

[21:06] immersed in the trance of unworthiness

[21:08] and working my way out for all those

[21:11] decades and working with others and for

[21:14] sure what you're saying to to see the

[21:16] goodness through others eyes helps us

[21:19] trust and that's the that's the freedom

[21:23] uh for me a lot of the pathway was and

[21:26] and then I just thinking of somebody I

[21:28] work with just recently was having the

[21:32] that part that critic which is installed

[21:37] you know come up and in some way sense

[21:40] well what are you trying to do for me

[21:43] and sometimes people say well I'm trying

[21:44] to punish you and I hate you but if you

[21:47] keep going on that question

[21:50] >> what I found was deep down that critic

[21:53] was trying to change me so I'd be

[21:55] lovable and change me so I could get

[21:58] everything I wanted in other words it

[22:00] was acting because it out of love for

[22:03] life but it just misguided, you know,

[22:05] just misguided. But when I could say to

[22:08] that place, okay, I get it. You're

[22:10] trying to help me and thank you. The

[22:13] enough space opened so I could then

[22:16] begin to sense

[22:18] the suffering, the impact of it. And

[22:21] often what I'll guide people to do is

[22:24] just sense, well, how is your life, how

[22:28] has it affected your life to believe

[22:30] that something's wrong with you? like

[22:32] just go way back like what are all the

[22:34] different things it's affected because

[22:38] I can say for myself when I start

[22:41] grasping the effect of turning on myself

[22:44] like how many moments of intimacy were

[22:48] not possible or joy or um just relaxing

[22:55] I I get a kind of soul sadness I can

[22:57] sense the landscape of my life and it's

[22:59] a sadness and we need to feel that

[23:03] compassion about the pain of being at

[23:06] war with ourselves. I don't know if that

[23:08] if I'm saying it so clearly,

[23:10] >> but that's a it's a different but

[23:12] completely synergistic pathway to what

[23:14] you're saying, James, that we need to be

[23:16] able to see through a wider perspective.

[23:18] And we also need to have compassion for

[23:21] the suffering that comes when that

[23:24] programmed critic um it when we're

[23:27] believing or when we're believing its

[23:30] messages and not realizing they're

[23:33] programmed. It's trying to help in a

[23:35] misguided way

[23:37] >> and they're suffering.

[23:39] >> Did it did it happen? Was there any one

[23:42] moment that it happened or was it a more

[23:45] of a gradual process or

[23:47] >> for me I don't remember the first time I

[23:50] started dialoguing

[23:52] you know with the critic and

[23:54] [clears throat] saying what are you

[23:55] trying to do for me

[23:56] >> but it's a process I do with a lot of

[23:58] people like fear you know what are you

[24:00] trying to do I'm trying to protect you

[24:02] well okay thank you

[24:03] >> thank you for trying to protect me and

[24:05] I'm okay you know so but if as soon as

[24:08] we get that every single part of us, no

[24:12] exceptions,

[24:14] is coming from love for life, but it's

[24:16] twisted in a way that ends up not

[24:18] serving, but it's coming from love. Then

[24:21] we enlarge. So that just helped me

[24:24] enlarge in relating to the critic.

[24:28] >> Yeah. Um for me, one of the things that

[24:31] you're saying uh that I I point out in

[24:35] my own way is um we all want to be

[24:39] happy. every one of us.

[24:41] >> Yeah. If I when I ask this in in the joy

[24:45] course and I can sense that some people

[24:47] are going like this and and and I say

[24:50] and if you are keeping your hand down

[24:54] saying no I like being grumpy that's

[24:57] just your way of being happy you

[24:59] [snorts] know but whatever you do you're

[25:01] doing because you think it will make you

[25:03] feel a little bit better or a little

[25:06] less bad but the deepest motivation for

[25:10] everything you do is a movement towards

[25:13] well-being, misguided as it is. And then

[25:18] you just have to find the secret to what

[25:21] real well-being is instead of the

[25:24] messages that we have gotten from our

[25:28] childhood or from from life. The more is

[25:32] better and younger is better and cooler

[25:34] is better and whatever. And just see,

[25:37] oh, where what's real happiness about?

[25:40] And that's when I went back to the

[25:42] Buddhist teachings and and said, "Okay,

[25:45] what are these different wholesome

[25:46] states that um that result in in genuine

[25:52] happiness?" And there's one more thing

[25:55] that what you just said um a moment ago

[25:58] that I want to put a little tweak on uh

[26:02] as far as seeing all of those

[26:06] um all of those habits of

[26:10] self-criticism and and self- judgment

[26:12] and fear. It usually comes down to fear

[26:15] one way or another.

[26:17] I look back on my life

[26:20] and

[26:23] uh I I wouldn't change it that the fear

[26:28] has been a very essential part of my

[26:32] journey like the Buddha living in La La

[26:35] Land for the first 29 years and thinking

[26:38] oh isn't cool and then he sees he sees

[26:42] suffering and that helps him um go on

[26:47] his quest. And for me, I had a lot of

[26:50] fear growing up. I was super shy,

[26:54] super insecure.

[26:57] Um, and uh, I had love also. I had I was

[27:01] fortunate. I had love and I also had a

[27:04] lot of fear. And

[27:07] the fear was what motivated me to try to

[27:12] find another way. So when I look back

[27:16] that way and for anyone who's listening

[27:19] who's still learning to be kind to

[27:22] yourself

[27:24] as Ramda says that's part of your

[27:26] curriculum and now use that

[27:30] as the motivation to come to the end of

[27:34] that and see oh there's another way and

[27:36] it's it's all perfect. It's all per if

[27:39] you know how to use use your life's

[27:42] journey well.

[27:44] Thank you.

[27:46] Um, you said uh something Dalai Lama

[27:50] says it a lot, everyone wants to be

[27:52] happy. And there's something I've

[27:55] noticed a lot um that we deep down want

[27:59] to be happy and

[28:02] often there's a real resistance to

[28:04] happiness. And uh Gay Hendricks calls it

[28:08] the upper limit problem. you know, we we

[28:10] get so used to how we feel when we're

[28:14] stressed that the idea of joy, of real

[28:17] happiness, um you know, it can feel

[28:20] foreign and unsafe. Um in some way, we

[28:23] we think we need to be vigilant and

[28:26] tense against what's around the corner

[28:27] and happiness is expansive. So, there's

[28:30] a fear of that uh vulnerability that

[28:34] that the other shoe will drop if we let

[28:36] ourselves even for a moment. And I think

[28:39] of um a woman in our community, this is

[28:43] years back, who was telling me about a

[28:46] conversation she had with this uh fellow

[28:49] cancer survivor. And the friend said to

[28:51] her, you know, what would it be like for

[28:53] you to feel like something good was

[28:55] going to happen, that there's a

[28:56] potential for some real happiness today?

[28:59] And this woman said, totally weird and

[29:01] uncomfortable. And then the friend said,

[29:03] try it. And I think it's really

[29:06] interesting and this is for all of us to

[29:10] explore joy tolerance because we do have

[29:13] a kind of I I know you understand this

[29:16] like what happens

[29:18] if you say to yourself I want to open

[29:22] more fully to my capacity for joy.

[29:25] What happens if you say that in this

[29:27] season of my life I want to open to that

[29:30] and then just notice is you know is it

[29:33] excitement or is it openness or is there

[29:35] some

[29:37] doubt like I don't deserve it or is it

[29:39] really possible?

[29:41] Um so it gets very interesting to say

[29:43] how much joy am I willing to let in.

[29:47] >> Yeah. Well, that's that's that's why I I

[29:50] put intention at the beginning and you

[29:53] see everything that gets in the way of

[29:54] that like,

[29:56] >> oh my god,

[29:58] >> putting my happiness in the forefront of

[30:00] my life. I can't do that.

[30:03] >> Whether it's the shoe is going to drop

[30:06] or oh, there's so much suffering. Is

[30:09] that is that okay?

[30:10] >> I don't deserve to be Yeah.

[30:12] >> Yeah. uh you know I I that's it's

[30:15] frivolous or um it's selfish or I've got

[30:20] to put everybody else before me um and

[30:25] be a martyr and particularly

[30:28] particularly women in in in in our world

[30:33] who are natural givers

[30:36] um and being and putting themselves last

[30:40] you know I don't want to overgeneralize

[30:42] but It's it's that's that's often how

[30:45] how it works. But men as well, you know,

[30:48] oh, can I really give this to myself and

[30:52] just seeing all of those things that get

[30:54] in the way

[30:56] are the way? And then you you see, oh,

[30:59] there's this belief and this belief, not

[31:01] just belief, there's this internal

[31:06] kinesthetic feeling. It's not okay. It's

[31:10] not safe to open myself up. It's not

[31:15] safe to um to come out.

[31:20] And for many people even more, it's not

[31:23] safe to let in the love coming my way.

[31:27] >> And that that for me is one of the key

[31:30] pieces in all of this. um because we

[31:33] want to protect ourselves and in the

[31:36] protecting we're protecting ourselves

[31:39] from all of the goodness coming our way.

[31:42] So one of my main practices that I offer

[31:45] to people and it is one of my main

[31:47] practices, it's a kind of variation of a

[31:49] Tibetan practice where

[31:52] when somebody smiles at you, opens a

[31:55] door for you, uh asks uh yes, may I help

[31:59] you or how are you to really be there

[32:04] and receive their goodwill, but on a

[32:07] deeper level to see them as agents of

[32:11] life letting you know that you're loved

[32:15] and to [clears throat] just relax

[32:18] and see how much life loves you once you

[32:23] start having your radar out for it. You

[32:26] can see it everywhere. Especially if

[32:29] you're coming out with that energy,

[32:32] that's the energy you attract and it can

[32:36] be overwhelming and you can't hold it

[32:38] all. So the only only thing you can do

[32:40] is just send it right back out. Um but

[32:43] letting in the love is is a key piece um

[32:47] to seeing how how worthy you are, how

[32:52] you are life loving itself through

[32:56] through this form. Oh, okay. I guess I

[33:00] belong.

[33:02] >> Beautiful. I mean, thank you for that

[33:04] because I have found over and over that

[33:08] not letting in love is such a core place

[33:11] of suffering and that like happiness,

[33:14] you have to actually practice because

[33:17] most of us have have a a longing for

[33:21] intimacy and a fear of intimacy. And so

[33:25] most of us feel some fear when we start

[33:28] trying to open to letting it be true

[33:30] that love is flowing here. Um, and I

[33:34] also want to say I think it's so wise

[33:36] that you start both your book and your

[33:39] year-long on joy with intention because

[33:43] I mean the research backs it up. It's

[33:45] like there's all sorts of research now

[33:47] that you know happy people are oriented

[33:50] towards allowing and cultivating

[33:52] positive experience. Like that's part of

[33:54] the research

[33:56] and it's just wisdom. And there's a um

[34:00] you probably have heard of Andre Nuan,

[34:03] you know the he's so [clears throat]

[34:04] he's so wonderful this Catholic mystic

[34:06] and writer. He says that joy does not

[34:10] simply happen to us. We have to choose

[34:12] joy and keep choosing it every day. So

[34:16] like va voom you [laughter] know

[34:18] >> that that's it. You know joy is a choice

[34:21] that we make. Well-being is a choice.

[34:25] And the beautiful thing about the

[34:26] practice is

[34:29] um every moment we have a choice how to

[34:33] meet it. Do we meet it with fear or do

[34:36] we meet it welcoming oh this is what

[34:39] life is giving me? Uh I I love this

[34:42] quote from Einstein. He says perhaps the

[34:46] most important question a human being

[34:48] can ask is is the universe friendly or

[34:51] not? And if you think of it as friendly

[34:55] or as wanting to support you,

[34:59] um you will see it everywhere. And you

[35:02] if you think of it as dangerous, you

[35:04] will see that everywhere. So every

[35:06] moment we have a choice how to

[35:11] um open up to what life is asking us to

[35:15] meet.

[35:17] >> Right on. And what what that makes me

[35:21] think about cuz I've been thinking about

[35:22] what are the blocks to joy and to

[35:25] happiness. I think one of the biggest

[35:29] blocks is fighting difficult emotions.

[35:33] So I just wanted to kind of name that

[35:35] like in a lot of the teachings that you

[35:38] and I are sharing we use uh having tea

[35:42] with Mara like truly

[35:45] recognizing the different waves of the

[35:47] ocean and saying this is a part of the

[35:49] ocean this belongs and one of my friends

[35:53] you I don't know if you know him the

[35:55] Korean author and teacher um well he

[36:00] describes he went through a very

[36:02] difficult phase and he describes that

[36:05] when he hits really big difficulty like

[36:07] super distressed or shame or fear, he

[36:11] gives himself permission to not be all

[36:13] right.

[36:15] And ever since I heard that, I know that

[36:17] sounds like completely some simp simple

[36:20] in some way, but to really give

[36:22] permission to not feel okay is so earthy

[36:26] and so wise because in the moment that

[36:29] on some level I'm saying to myself,

[36:31] okay, it's like this right now. You

[36:33] know, just that simple, the beginnings

[36:36] of that spaciousness you and I were

[36:38] talking about for joy starts opening up

[36:41] because again, joy can be joy that comes

[36:44] because we're opening to sorrow, our

[36:46] pain, and it can come because we're

[36:48] opening to beauty. So, there's something

[36:51] about giving ourselves permission to

[36:54] feel the difficulties that has just for

[36:56] me been more and more alive.

[37:00] It's the It's the key because it's the

[37:03] first noble truth. There is suffering in

[37:05] life and you can either hide hide your

[37:08] head and hope it doesn't find you. Uh

[37:11] it's going to find you. The and the more

[37:13] you run, the more it's it's looking for

[37:15] you. Or you can welcome it. Like that

[37:19] Jennifer Wellwood poem, uh you know,

[37:21] every every condition I flee from

[37:24] pursues me,

[37:25] >> right? Every condition I welcome

[37:28] transforms me and becomes itself

[37:31] transformed into its radiant jewel like

[37:33] essence.

[37:37] >> A a friend I who's no longer with us who

[37:40] I I learned a lot from a really wise

[37:45] uh wisdom teacher Terry Patton um a week

[37:49] before from his hospital bed. he knew he

[37:52] was going to be he didn't have much

[37:54] longer and he did these series of of

[37:57] talks on

[37:59] um on mortality uh when he had gotten

[38:02] this terminal diagnosis and his his

[38:05] students were around him in a week

[38:08] before there's uh this recording of of

[38:11] that talk which I have and one of his

[38:14] students

[38:16] asks uh are you afraid um are you angry

[38:21] Is it confusing in there? And he said,

[38:24] "Those thoughts, those feelings come.

[38:27] They're just part of being human." Then

[38:29] he said, "I don't want to waste my time

[38:33] being in resistance to reality.

[38:36] >> Reality wins every time. And my job is

[38:41] to meet it with grace. I'm enobled by

[38:45] embracing what reality is here to teach

[38:48] me." I've used that line very often. I

[38:51] don't want to you waste my time being in

[38:54] resistance to reality. Reality wins. How

[38:57] can I open to it?

[39:00] >> Deep wisdom. And what's occurring to me

[39:03] as you say it is how radical it is in

[39:07] the face of our current culture where

[39:10] we're we hit buttons or hit links to hop

[39:13] to the next virtual reality rather than

[39:16] open to the real reality. It's it's so

[39:19] deep in our programming and I think

[39:22] anybody who feels that

[39:25] they're not in that trance. some it's

[39:28] there's some hubris to that because the

[39:30] attention economy is so powerful and you

[39:32] and I have talked about this um you know

[39:35] recently and joined together to really

[39:39] deepen our commitment to not being so

[39:41] caught but kind of wanted to invite you

[39:44] to speak a little to how our culture

[39:48] uh can get in the way of experiencing

[39:51] happiness and joy. M yeah

[39:55] I I just I just came as I said to you

[39:57] before we uh we started this uh just

[40:00] came from 4 days uh in nature with all

[40:04] of these um you see um faculty and

[40:09] mindfulness teachers who are teaching

[40:13] uh mindfulness and climate resilience

[40:15] and I'm I'm part of this program and um

[40:19] the the key

[40:22] is to

[40:24] feel life, feel connected with life, to

[40:28] remember that you are life and to not

[40:31] live in your

[40:34] uh your narrow world of my device and

[40:38] doom scrolling or whatever the scrolling

[40:41] is. Um, we need to feel connected to uh

[40:46] to our aliveness to feel alive. And

[40:50] yeah, there's there's a lot of science

[40:53] that's gone into hijacking our

[40:55] attention. And so, you know, you and I

[40:59] I'm still doing our my practice that I

[41:02] promised to you. Hope you are, too. You

[41:05] should check on that later.

[41:07] >> [snorts]

[41:07] >> um that even with a lifetime of [snorts]

[41:13] um cultivating awareness,

[41:15] it's still hard. So, um it it it really

[41:20] it takes it takes support of friends and

[41:25] any way we can to counteract uh that

[41:28] hijack. Uh and remember,

[41:33] remember to feel alive. That's where the

[41:35] real joy is. It's not going to be in the

[41:38] next in the next headline. Um hopefully

[41:42] those headlines can

[41:45] motivate you to try to make it a better

[41:47] world when you see how not only are you

[41:51] caught, but most of the world is caught.

[41:53] And that's what gives life meaning. but

[41:56] to uh to remember

[41:59] to be alive with live face to face even

[42:04] if it's on Zoom like it is now and thank

[42:07] goodness for that but actual face to

[42:10] face contact and and feeling a

[42:13] connection I'm not alone. Let's do this

[42:16] together. Um that's going to be what

[42:19] gets us through to help each other wake

[42:21] up.

[42:23] >> Beautiful. I mean I I so often think

[42:26] about uh you know when I am spending a

[42:29] lot of time taking in too much news or

[42:33] texting or emailing or um working in a

[42:37] certain way I get caught in this

[42:41] basic societal narrative that we're

[42:44] trying to solve problems and get through

[42:46] things and make things happen. And

[42:50] there's a line uh from the poet face

[42:53] that I love which he he says, "What's

[42:55] the difference between us and saints

[42:57] that are filled with joy?" And he says,

[42:59] "I'm afraid you still think you have a

[43:03] thousand serious moves.

[43:06] >> A thousand serious moves." And the

[43:07] reason I'm I'm bringing this up, James,

[43:09] is because I feel like you're what

[43:12] you're saying about reconnect with the

[43:14] earth and your body and aliveness. It's

[43:17] like if we don't, we get hooked on this

[43:20] in this mentality that we're striving to

[43:23] get somewhere else that we have a

[43:25] thousand serious moves and it cuts us

[43:28] off from just the tenderness that here

[43:30] we are, you know, we're together, we're,

[43:33] you know, alive beings and we're waking

[43:35] up together. So, um, I feel like again

[43:39] when you talk about intentionality, it's

[43:41] so important because it's not just in

[43:45] our own kind of private dharma practice.

[43:47] It's going against the currents that are

[43:50] really, really strong to keep us in a

[43:52] small fear-based and separate place. And

[43:56] I want to ask you to talk a little more

[43:59] about relationship because

[44:02] in your writing, in your programs, in

[44:06] your life, you so much uh lean in on the

[44:10] importance of relationships to keep us

[44:13] spacious and open and happy.

[44:17] >> Yeah. Well, um there's the most

[44:20] important relationship is the one in

[44:22] here, but if that's the only one

[44:27] that is fulfilling for you, uh you're

[44:30] you're missing out on

[44:32] on the real joy of connection

[44:36] um and connection

[44:38] with life, connection with nature, and

[44:41] connection, heart-to-heart connection.

[44:44] It's kind of mysterious how

[44:48] we can open each other's hearts and uh

[44:52] you know just just being there you can

[44:55] just kind of be in a funky mood or or

[44:58] bored or whatever and somebody comes

[45:01] into your space who

[45:04] there's that kind of um meeting on the

[45:08] same frequency or or wavelength and

[45:11] there's

[45:12] magic that happens where

[45:16] each individual

[45:18] separate being is kind of going through

[45:20] their their their life, their world, and

[45:24] then boom. Oh, you're in here, in there.

[45:28] I'm in here. Oh, so nice to know you.

[45:31] And it's like all of a sudden we can

[45:35] make each other come alive just by

[45:40] smiling and loving and um and listening

[45:45] and being and being

[45:49] being together in being where you don't

[45:52] have to prove anything or be anything

[45:56] other than you are than just yourself.

[45:58] And I always find it's kind of magical

[46:00] how we can awaken that in each other

[46:05] and then awaken it in others. So my main

[46:09] practice maybe you've you probably heard

[46:12] me say this countless times. Uh I take

[46:15] Neim Karoli Baba's

[46:18] um instructions to heart which I have

[46:21] for many many years. um you just love

[46:28] >> love everyone serve everyone remember

[46:30] dharma but for me it's for me it's um my

[46:34] practice and there's one page and be

[46:36] here now that's like the my key

[46:40] instruction I have two pages one is um

[46:44] the way it works

[46:47] you just love until you and the beloved

[46:50] become one that's my aspiration Uh but

[46:54] that's also

[46:56] the turnaround in my life was going from

[47:00] what do they think of me to oh hi I wish

[47:05] you well. And it's amazing that it

[47:09] works. The more people can feel that

[47:12] from you, the more they relax and you

[47:15] can actually bring it out of them.

[47:18] That's pretty magical that you have the

[47:21] power to bring that out. and then maybe

[47:26] encourage them to do the same and bring

[47:28] it out in everyone they know. So that's

[47:32] what really makes us come alive in a

[47:34] whole other way. Um and I'll mention the

[47:37] other page since it just came out of my

[47:39] mouth. It's very simple. It's uh Shiva's

[47:42] dance of life and there's

[47:46] savings accounts and insurance and and

[47:48] dancing and job and responsibility and

[47:51] and Shiva's dance of life and it says do

[47:54] you do it from or do you do it from ah

[47:59] do you carry it around like a heavy load

[48:01] or do you surf through it all? So, we

[48:06] have a choice and really to to move from

[48:10] that place of

[48:13] trusting life and and just letting your

[48:17] the love that you've been gifted with uh

[48:19] just find itself in others and um and

[48:24] keeping on rippling it out.

[48:29] So, this is a bit of uh I'm going to

[48:32] just kind of link this into something

[48:33] else a bit because we're talking about

[48:37] the power of loving and how that just

[48:41] creates this inc that creates joy, the

[48:44] joy of belonging. And here we are, we're

[48:47] in a time of severed belonging. And

[48:50] there is genocide, there is political

[48:53] division, there is climate disruption,

[48:56] there is huge suffering. And so some

[48:59] people feel guilty talking about kind of

[49:02] the individual level and enhancing their

[49:07] joy and well-being. And I guess so what

[49:10] I'm asking is what do you say to

[49:12] somebody who says, "How can I let myself

[49:14] be happy when so many are suffering?"

[49:17] What do you say,

[49:18] >> Barry? Uh it's a key question that comes

[49:21] up a whole lot especially with intention

[49:23] and can I dare let myself be happy with

[49:26] so much suffering.

[49:28] We don't need more people who are

[49:30] depressed

[49:32] to as the solution as as understandable

[49:37] as that is and fear and despair and

[49:40] helplessness and depression. I've I've

[49:43] gone through that cycles of that over

[49:46] the years many times like uh but

[49:52] the way I see it we we need more people

[49:56] to see the goodness in life. uh my

[50:00] friend Lou Leonard who was I think you

[50:03] know he was the climate manager a

[50:05] climate uh director for World Wildlife

[50:08] Fund and when I first got in and now

[50:10] he's he was the founder of Warner

[50:12] Sanango which I co-founder uh which I

[50:15] highly recommend to anybody who's

[50:17] interested in in checking out climate

[50:20] and and uh wise response and I said Lou

[50:24] I'm getting it this is many years ago

[50:27] we're in trouble and what can I do I'm

[50:30] just sharing the dharma and teaching

[50:32] about awakening joy. And he looked and

[50:35] he said, "Joy might be the one of the

[50:38] most important things we need to

[50:39] remember

[50:41] because otherwise you're just living in

[50:44] gloom and doom. And the more you

[50:51] can have well-being for yourself, the

[50:53] more you love life,

[50:56] the more you you protect what you love.

[50:59] >> [snorts]

[50:59] >> And if you throw in the towel and say,

[51:02] you know, what's the point? We're we're

[51:03] doomed. Well, that's one more person

[51:06] that's thrown in the towel. But the more

[51:09] you say, I love life. I want to do

[51:13] something

[51:15] with that love and construction uh

[51:18] construct um well-being or create

[51:22] well-being. people want to join that

[51:24] party and they they say, "Yeah, me too.

[51:29] I love life." And so I think it's a

[51:34] one of the greatest gifts to find our

[51:36] own love of life so we can um care for

[51:41] it and we can uh as I'm thinking of

[51:45] Joanna Macy who I'm sure most people

[51:47] know who I was fortunate enough to uh

[51:51] call a friend of of many years and she

[51:53] said um I'm I'm so it's so good to be

[51:58] alive now. We're here to

[52:02] to honor the earth and and see how

[52:07] creative and how beautiful she she is.

[52:10] We're here to link arms together and do

[52:13] something fantastic in a time of great

[52:16] need.

[52:18] What a different way than, oh, what's

[52:20] the point? Yeah, we're here to do

[52:23] something fantastic. We We are our own

[52:26] superheroes.

[52:28] not doing it alone but doing it together

[52:31] and um it it gives life meaning. So the

[52:35] more you can come from that love the

[52:37] more you awaken it in others especially

[52:40] loving life and the nonhuman as well as

[52:46] the human all of life in this beautiful

[52:48] planet. So I I see it as a a subversive

[52:52] act to just uh keep on loving and

[52:56] sharing your love and saying it's good

[52:59] to be alive. Let's let's do this

[53:02] together.

[53:03] >> It is a sub subversive act. I love that

[53:06] language. Um there there's a really

[53:09] famous quote from Rebecca Snit. She says

[53:12] joy doesn't betray but it sustains

[53:15] activism. which I think is really part

[53:18] of what you're saying. And and she says,

[53:20] "When you face a politics that aspires

[53:23] to make you fearful, alienated, and

[53:25] isolated, joy is a fine initial act of

[53:29] insurrection."

[53:30] >> Oh,

[53:32] >> yeah. It's good. It's good.

[53:33] >> That That's it. Yeah.

[53:35] >> Yeah. And you're And what you're saying

[53:37] is just so true that if you think of

[53:40] what is the way of engaging that's most

[53:44] going to be healing for the world, it's

[53:45] going to come from love. It's going to

[53:47] come from a love for this world. And if

[53:49] we want the resilience to keep on

[53:52] serving, we have to be nourished by

[53:56] feeling that love. Um, some of you might

[53:59] know that uh

[54:02] this is Mary Oliver wrote there's a

[54:05] whole um documentary on her right now

[54:07] and it's called Saved by the Beauty of

[54:09] the World.

[54:11] >> I just saw it by the way.

[54:13] >> Did you? Oh, good. Oh, good.

[54:15] Yeah,

[54:16] >> the title alone saved by the beauty of

[54:19] the world that let this beauty and love

[54:22] in this world inspire us and so that out

[54:26] of cherishing the world we act.

[54:29] >> So um I wanted to bring this bring this

[54:31] one in because I I think guilt is

[54:34] happens a lot. I mean, we're we get

[54:37] guilty, we get paralyzed and so on. And

[54:40] and the response is really go ahead and

[54:43] nourish what you love. Do what you love,

[54:47] >> connect with others, and do together

[54:48] what you love because that'll

[54:50] re-energize for the sake of your heart

[54:53] in the world. So,

[54:55] >> yeah,

[54:56] >> you reminded me of uh Andrew Harvey says

[55:00] um follow your heartbreak

[55:02] >> and then and then move in that direction

[55:06] and put all of that caring in a way that

[55:09] that eases that that's calling you. Um

[55:13] so, it's loving and letting yourself be

[55:16] touched. And there's one other piece

[55:18] that for me is so so essential and

[55:22] that's the the bigger bigger picture

[55:25] that can keep your heart from completely

[55:27] breaking.

[55:29] And that's

[55:31] equinimity is about seeing more than a a

[55:36] narrow band of time. And the way I see

[55:39] it, impermanence is not only about loss.

[55:43] It's about

[55:46] infinite creativity

[55:48] and that

[55:50] things change means however bad things

[55:54] get

[55:56] the pendulum swings

[55:58] and it's all part of the dance instead

[56:01] of thinking ah [groaning] how do we get

[56:04] to this? Oh, we're here to do something

[56:07] fantastic in a time of great need and

[56:10] that's what can compel us, but not to

[56:14] uh come to any conclusions about how we

[56:17] know things are going to be. We don't

[56:20] know. And yeah, there's going to there

[56:23] is suffering and there's going to be

[56:24] more suffering. and the human species,

[56:28] you know, might have been a good

[56:30] experiment at one point, but if we're

[56:33] doing what we can and inviting others,

[56:37] um, sooner or later, everyone's going to

[56:39] wake up. And I figure the more

[56:42] conscious,

[56:44] the less suffering. The sooner the less

[56:47] suffering. And even if it doesn't save

[56:50] the world, I've done something good. But

[56:53] things change. and letting go of my

[56:56] conclusion of how I know how this is all

[56:58] going to turn out and just do my part

[57:00] for love.

[57:03] >> Well, you know, one of the things I

[57:05] wanted to talk about because we've both

[57:07] been in this for a lot of decades is

[57:10] what we've noticed in our through our

[57:13] own process of aging. Like, you know,

[57:16] have we gotten happier? And what is it

[57:18] about the aging itself? because there's

[57:21] a lot of research that says you know

[57:23] people do get happier as you know

[57:26] they're not so hitched on the highs and

[57:29] on getting somewhere and more pleasure

[57:31] from ordinary moments but I think one of

[57:35] the things that's really key in that is

[57:38] that the more you go through life the

[57:41] more you sense the reality of

[57:42] impermanence these bodies go these mind

[57:45] goes so you just start accepting this is

[57:48] real this is the reality and That

[57:50] acceptance

[57:52] opens up this space. It's almost like

[57:55] the future gets smaller, presence gets

[57:57] larger. And by that I mean, and we're

[58:00] I'm talking about that kind of

[58:01] perspective you're talking about that

[58:02] things are going to happen. And what

[58:04] matters is how much we can be here in

[58:08] this moment and offer our heart to it.

[58:11] And um one of the things I thought I'd

[58:14] share that I did you read the snow

[58:16] leopard?

[58:18] No, I didn't. I I've heard it's an

[58:20] amazing book, but

[58:22] >> this is just a brief This is all about

[58:24] joy and it's a brief one that I just

[58:26] thought I'd share. So

[58:27] >> Oh, good.

[58:28] >> Peter Mat's visiting this elderly llama

[58:31] who's got this crippling arthritis and

[58:33] he lives in this isolated region of

[58:36] Tibet and he's wondering what that's

[58:38] like for him knowing that he's never

[58:40] going to leave again for the rest of his

[58:41] life. And so the translator asks this

[58:44] llama, "What's it like for you?" And

[58:47] here's what Peter writes. He says, "This

[58:49] holy man of great directness and

[58:51] simplicity, big white teeth shining,

[58:54] laughs out loud in an infectious way at

[58:56] the question and indicating his twisted

[58:58] legs without a trace of self-pity or

[59:01] bitterness as if they belong to all of

[59:04] us. He casts his arms wide to the sky

[59:07] and the snow mountains, the high sun,

[59:09] the dancing sheep, and cries," "Of

[59:11] course I'm happy. It's wonderful,

[59:14] especially when I have no choice.

[59:19] >> So, [clears throat] here we are and we

[59:21] don't know what's going to happen. I

[59:23] mean, just the way you said it, we don't

[59:24] know if humanity is going to do itself

[59:26] in and all the all our kin with us. We

[59:29] don't know what's going to happen. But

[59:32] if we can open to the changes and accept

[59:36] the changes and then from that presence

[59:39] just act from our heart. Just act from

[59:43] our heart. Just open our arms and say of

[59:45] course I'm h, you know, of course this

[59:47] moment's here. [laughter] There's so

[59:49] much freedom and it helps others too. So

[59:52] I just wanted to share that because I'm

[59:53] finding that in my life and wanted to

[59:56] hear more personally from you.

[59:58] >> Yeah. aging it's um you can either fight

[1:00:03] it

[1:00:05] [laughter]

[1:00:06] >> you know I don't want to be in

[1:00:08] resistance to reality reality wins you

[1:00:11] can fight it or you can say oh what am I

[1:00:15] learning from this

[1:00:16] >> and the the it it is this really

[1:00:20] interesting way the game is set up that

[1:00:24] youth I can do anything and um and you

[1:00:29] have to learn a whole lot of lessons

[1:00:31] that you can't do anything s everything

[1:00:34] sooner or later. And along with it's

[1:00:38] just such a mysterious

[1:00:40] game board that we're on that as the as

[1:00:44] the vitality

[1:00:47] um diminishes over time in your body,

[1:00:52] if you're fortunate enough to be able to

[1:00:55] hold it, the wisdom and the love just

[1:00:58] grows and grows and grows. M

[1:01:01] >> so you know h well when I think about

[1:01:05] how I was in my 20s and I and I hit my

[1:01:10] head saying I can't believe I did that.

[1:01:13] Oh I was having so much fun short-term

[1:01:16] fun and and [snorts] a whole lot of mind

[1:01:19] moments after to to reflect what was I

[1:01:22] thinking. Uh I'll trade

[1:01:27] wisdom and diminished capacities and

[1:01:31] seeing oh yeah impermanence is real. Um

[1:01:35] this can be uh the the richest time of

[1:01:39] one's life. So that's that's the way I

[1:01:43] want to go into it. And I think also

[1:01:48] encourage as many people as I can to

[1:01:51] reclaim elderhood instead of putting

[1:01:55] putting

[1:01:57] older people in uh you know away so we

[1:02:01] don't see them and oh I hope they'll you

[1:02:03] know we'll take care. But oh there's so

[1:02:06] much wisdom in there that we can we can

[1:02:10] learn from and tap into when we respect

[1:02:14] the elders who have made that that

[1:02:17] journey for us what we can learn.

[1:02:21] >> So I'm

[1:02:23] in my better moments that's how I that's

[1:02:26] how I'm approaching this time in my

[1:02:28] life.

[1:02:30] Well, about your are in your better

[1:02:33] moments. Maybe as a way of ending um you

[1:02:38] know, if someone listening is in some

[1:02:40] way saying, "Okay, I've been pretty

[1:02:42] locked in in grimness and preoccupied

[1:02:45] with uh the next thousand moves of

[1:02:48] serious problem solving and so on. I've

[1:02:51] lost touch with joy."

[1:02:53] What would you invite them to do to

[1:02:57] actually do in this moment? Like like

[1:02:59] what's a way just to begin maybe you

[1:03:02] know you can give us a little guided

[1:03:03] something just to incline us

[1:03:06] >> into into gladness.

[1:03:08] >> I I think um the the most probably that

[1:03:13] I've seen the most direct way to open up

[1:03:16] to joy and well-being is gratitude. Mhm.

[1:03:20] >> And then with the basic principle, this

[1:03:23] is the principle that you know that I

[1:03:27] that I came to understand in the

[1:03:29] Buddhist teaching. It's one thing to

[1:03:33] have a a grateful thought or have a have

[1:03:37] a an inspiring thought. Um

[1:03:41] but it's a whole other to really let it

[1:03:44] land in your body. It's one thing to

[1:03:46] know, "Oh, that's such a beautiful

[1:03:48] sunset." Uh, and what's for dinner?

[1:03:52] Or, "Oh, that's such a beautiful

[1:03:55] sunset."

[1:03:57] And then really let it be experienced.

[1:04:01] It's the difference between,

[1:04:04] "Oh, feeling good right now, and this is

[1:04:08] what it feels like to feel good." where

[1:04:11] you turn mindfulness

[1:04:15] right on that feeling of well-being. And

[1:04:18] this is in one of the discourses of the

[1:04:21] Buddha that popped out at me. He said,

[1:04:24] "Notice the gladness connected with the

[1:04:27] wholesome." Uh, I call it an equipment

[1:04:30] of mind to overcome all ill will and

[1:04:34] hostility. One gains inspiration and

[1:04:37] truth in the meaning. one delights in

[1:04:41] feeling the gladness and that became the

[1:04:45] key to just cultivating wholesome states

[1:04:49] and then being very present for them and

[1:04:52] letting them land. So here's a a quick

[1:04:56] exercise I can uh I often uh find

[1:05:00] helpful. Uh so I invite everyone who's

[1:05:04] watching or listening uh maybe to go

[1:05:08] inside and think of some blessing in

[1:05:11] your life, [snorts]

[1:05:14] someone

[1:05:17] or some circumstance

[1:05:21] that you feel really grateful for,

[1:05:23] grateful to. Maybe

[1:05:26] have an image in your in your mind of

[1:05:30] that blessing.

[1:05:36] And as you call up that image,

[1:05:41] just give a a silent thank you right

[1:05:44] from your heart to that person or to

[1:05:47] life.

[1:05:49] Thank you.

[1:05:56] And then just relax in that feeling of

[1:05:58] gratitude.

[1:06:01] Feel it in your body.

[1:06:05] Thank you so much.

[1:06:11] Feel the landscape of gratitude.

[1:06:19] Savor it. marinated.

[1:06:25] [sighs]

[1:06:27] Let it awaken everything good inside.

[1:06:38] Okay. And when you like, you can come on

[1:06:40] back.

[1:06:43] I suggest doing that um

[1:06:47] several times a day.

[1:06:50] Whenever you are feeling any kind of a

[1:06:52] wholesome state, just notice it. You

[1:06:56] don't have to make a big show. Excuse

[1:06:58] me, I'm doing my my my joy homework. Uh

[1:07:01] but just to turn inward and say, "Oh,

[1:07:05] this is a good moment of life. Let me be

[1:07:08] here for it."

[1:07:10] And everybody will feel

[1:07:13] feel that internal blessing and

[1:07:17] catch it from you.

[1:07:24] Thank you my friend.

[1:07:27] A real heartfelt thank you.

[1:07:30] >> Thank you my friend.

[1:07:33] >> So good to

[1:07:35] have you as a dear friend and may it be

[1:07:38] for the benefit of all.

[1:07:40] >> Yeah. And thank you all who are with us

[1:07:43] right now. I I know there's so much uh

[1:07:47] may we all touch that capacity for

[1:07:50] happiness and freedom.

[1:07:53] >> Okay. Namaste. Blessings.

[1:07:56] >> Namaste.

[1:08:04] [music]

[1:08:10] >> [music]

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American psychologist and meditation teacher, founder of the Insight Meditation Community of Washington (IMCW). Her teaching weaves Theravada Buddhism with Western psychology, cent…

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In Buddhist teachings, joy exists on a spectrum that includes happiness, contentment, peace, and bliss. While joy can be more intense, Baraz explains that more refined, sustainable states like contentment and peace are actually more stable. What ties them together isn't intensity but a quality of expansiveness—an openness to life—as opposed to the contraction of fear or anger.
The inner critic creates doubt about whether you deserve to feel good, interrupting moments of aliveness with questions like "Can I believe this is happening to me?" Working with this requires radical self-kindness—a warm, curious approach to the voice that doubts, rather than rejection. Often the critic is trying to protect you from old harm.
Yes. Genuine aliveness can coexist with what Baraz calls "soul sadness." Opening to life fully means being available to both beauty and loss, connection and fragility. This both-and capacity is especially important in difficult times, allowing you to act from love rather than despair.
When you cultivate genuine aliveness and wellbeing, you become more available for authentic connection and compassionate action. Others also relax and access their own aliveness around you. In a time that needs creativity, clear thinking, and heart-to-heart connection, modeling authentic joy is a gift to collective healing.
Begin with honest inquiry: How much joy do you actually experience? Then practice noticing moments of genuine wellbeing when they arise—pause and really register them in your body. Over time, this rewires your nervous system toward recognizing aliveness. Working with an inner critic or unworthiness requires dialogue and self-compassion rather than force.
No. Making genuine wellbeing a priority isn't selfish—it's fidelity to your full humanity. A loved baby naturally delights in existence; that's our true nature. Reclaiming it means becoming more available to serve others from a place of aliveness rather than depletion or guilt.
Baraz experienced a spiritual crisis when he absorbed a mistranslation suggesting the goal was to escape this world rather than live fully in it. Realizing that the Buddha is called "the Happy One," he recognized something essential was missing. His 25-year focus on joy became a necessary correction to teachings that, while pointing toward liberation, had been heard as a negation of life itself.

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