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Inspiration

Meditation as a Path of Your Own: Basic Goodness Lessons

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Shambhala Publications
Oct 15, 2026
9 Min. Lesezeit

Von Shambhala Publications

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Ask Lodro Rinzler how he came to meditation and he doesn't start with a lineage chart. He starts with a six-year-old sitting still in a New York apartment, staring at a wall, while his parents wonder what he is doing. That image, a child who inherited a practice before he chose one, anchors a fifty-five-minute conversation between Rinzler and host Ivan Bercholz on Shambhala Publications' This Very Moment podcast. They move from jokes about pumpkin heads to a monastic retreat in Nova Scotia, from a father's long illness to the publication of The Buddha Walks into a Bar . . ., and on to Rinzler's newest book, You Are Good, You Are Enough. Running through all of it is the teaching of basic goodness: the view that we are fundamentally whole, even when we make mistakes, and that this view changes how we treat ourselves and each other in a culture quick to judge. Rinzler, who cofounded MNDFL and lives in New York's Hudson Valley, closes the episode with two practices he considers simple and worth doing every day.

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What does a six-year-old's silent sitting reveal about inherited practice?

Rinzler was raised in a Buddhist household. His parents had been practicing Tibetan Buddhism in the lineage of Chögyam Trungpa Rinpoche before he came along, so meditation was, in his words, simply part of the house. The story his family tells is the one that opens the episode. His parents opened the door one evening to call him to dinner and found him sitting, quiet, at six years old, facing the wall.

When they asked what he was doing, he said he was meditating. When they asked what that meant to him, his answer was disarmingly precise:

"I was noticing that I was breathing. And when I got distracted, I came back to noticing I was breathing."

— Lodro Rinzler, recounting the story on This Very Moment, 5:10

His parents, he recalls, responded that this was the essence of it. Rinzler's answer, which he gives with a shrug of qualification, is "It is to some extent. It's as simple as that." That tiny exchange holds the whole mechanics of sitting practice: attention wanders, you notice it has wandered, and you return. Notice, drift, return. Many people spend years trying to learn that cycle. Rinzler had it at six, and his family, having seen it, decided to encourage him. By eleven he was attending Shambhala training weekends, the first of a series of retreats that would gradually shape his path.

Why did a whale off Nova Scotia change everything?

The turning point came in high school, and Rinzler is candid that it began as something close to a calculation. He was a junior, thinking about his college essay, and the program at Gampo Abbey in Nova Scotia offered temporary ordination as a monastic: shaved head, robes, vows, "the whole nine yards." As he tells it, his reasoning was practical: "I've got nothing else going this summer. That sounds like a great essay."

Three weeks into the retreat, during a walking meditation, the practice became real. The abbey had wall-length windows, and beyond them was the open ocean and the cliffs. A whale breached and came crashing back into the sea. The moment stopped his mind, and the thought that followed has stayed with him:

"This is not something my parents have done. This is now my path."

— Lodro Rinzler on This Very Moment, 7:03

His parents had never been to Gampo Abbey and had never taken monastic ordination. The practice that had been a family inheritance became, in that instant, his own. Rinzler describes it as individuating, and he is clear that he never went back to the earlier version of himself. The name followed the same arc. He had taken refuge at six and received the name Lodro then, but at the monastery he was asked to adopt it along with the robes and vows. "I just called myself Lodro from then on," he says, and he went on to university.

There is a useful lesson in the sequence. A family practice can be a gift and still not be yours until something in you claims it. Rinzler's story suggests that the claim often arrives not as a decision but as a moment of direct experience, a whale in the window that tells you something you already knew.

What does basic goodness mean, and why does it matter now?

The second half of the conversation turns to You Are Good, You Are Enough, the 2026 book that Rinzler describes as an exploration of basic goodness, self-doubt, and practical meditation. The teaching of basic goodness is central to the Shambhala tradition. The episode places Chögyam Trungpa Rinpoche's development of it in the late 1960s and early 1970s, and Rinzler frames it as a counterweight to a culture of constant evaluation.

The core idea is straightforward to state and harder to live. Basic goodness holds that we are fundamentally whole, even when we make mistakes. It does not ask us to earn that wholeness through improvement, and it does not deny that we err. Instead it proposes that the mistake and the goodness coexist. Rinzler argues that this view changes relationships, because if we begin from the premise that we are whole, we can see others the same way, including the people who most often trigger our judgment. In a culture that is quick to criticize both ourselves and others, that shift is not sentimental. It alters how we respond when a partner, a colleague, or our own inner voice gets things wrong.

The episode also invites a more personal reading. Rinzler and Bercholz talk about what it means for an idea to be "not dogmatic," a teaching that can be tested in ordinary life rather than accepted on authority. That practical stance runs through the whole conversation and is the bridge between the monastic retreat of his teens and the book he wrote decades later.

How did a father's illness test the practice?

The episode also addresses loss. Rinzler speaks about his father's long illness and how practice helped him stay present while his father was dying. The conversation is careful and unhurried here. What comes through is not a claim that meditation dissolves grief, but that sitting with the reality of a loss, rather than fleeing into thought, is itself a form of presence. The difference between being with a difficult thing and grappling with thoughts about it is one the practice trains, and it is the difference he returns to when he describes those years.

What happens when a book reaches one reader?

Bercholz and Rinzler revisit the early years of his teaching and writing, including The Buddha Walks into a Bar . . ., which became an international bestseller. Rinzler's measure of a book is modest and specific. He imagines a single young person who picks up meditation because of something he wrote, and says that is what he hopes for. The idea is that a book's worth is not only its sales but whether it changes one life, which is the same principle the teaching of basic goodness asks us to apply to individual people.

The Buddha Walks into a Bar . . . is also Rinzler's way of making the practice accessible through humor. Early in the episode, before the serious material, he tells a joke about a man who finds his roommate with a pumpkin for a head, learns the roommate's three wishes, and discovers the third wish was for a pumpkin head. Bercholz immediately links it to samsara, the cycle of wanting more, and the punchline lands because it is true. Even after the wealth and the endless food arrive, the mind invents a new want, and then suffers over it.

How has fatherhood changed attention?

Rinzler is now the father of a three-year-old, and he says fatherhood has changed his sense of identity and deepened his practice of paying attention. A child demands a kind of attention that cannot be partly given. You are either present or you are not, and the child notices which. That demand has become one of his most direct teachers, and it sets up the closing advice of the episode.

What two daily practices does Rinzler recommend?

The episode ends with two practices that Rinzler presents as simple and immediately usable. The first is to offer your full attention to the person in front of you. In a day crowded with screens and competing tasks, this is the practice of setting aside the half-listening that most of us default to. The second is to begin the day with a moment of gratitude. Rinzler is emphatic about the morning:

"I think it's totally underestimated how important it is we start our days."

— Lodro Rinzler on This Very Moment, 53:05

Taken together, the two practices form a loop that matches the rest of the conversation. Gratitude at the start of the day sets the tone of basic goodness, the sense that there is something whole to begin with. Full attention carries that tone into relationships, where the view that people are fundamentally good matters most. Neither practice asks for a retreat or a robe. Both can be tested in a single morning, which is part of what makes Rinzler's approach feel accessible.

Where to go from here

If this conversation moved you, start with the episode itself, which is warm, funny, and frank about both joy and loss. Then read You Are Good, You Are Enough for the full treatment of basic goodness, and The Buddha Walks into a Bar . . . for the humor and accessibility that made Rinzler's early teaching reach so many people. For the tradition behind the ideas, look into the work of Chögyam Trungpa Rinpoche, whom this episode names as the source of the basic goodness teaching. And try the two practices for a week: begin one morning with a moment of gratitude, and give your full attention to the next person who speaks to you. Notice when your mind drifts, and come back. That, as a six-year-old discovered, is most of it.

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[0:00] Lodro Rinzler has a knack

[0:02] for presenting the Buddhist teachings in an incredibly relatable way.

[0:07] Through contemporary references, humor, and softness,

[0:10] he's made the practice of meditation accessible for a lot of people.

[0:14] Lodro worked on the first Obama campaign.

[0:17] He started MNDFL Meditation Studios in New York,

[0:22] has taught widely around the world, and authored a number of books,

[0:26] including the best-selling The Buddha Walks Into a Bar.

[0:29] His current book, You Are Good, You Are Enough,

[0:32] focuses on the teachings of basic goodness,

[0:34] which feel particularly potent

[0:37] in our current culture of relentless criticism of self and others.

[0:42] At This Very Moment,

[0:44] Lodro teaches extensively online, has a podcast about comic books,

[0:49] and lives with his wife, daughter, and two dogs in upstate New York.

[0:53] I'm your host, Ivan Bercholz.

[0:56] Hey Lodro. Hi.

[0:59] Hey Lodro.

[1:01] Hi! Thanks for having me on the show

[1:03] It’s great to sit down with you in a very formal setting

[1:07] compared to every other time we’ve ever sat down.

[1:10] Literally every other time, yeah.

[1:12] And it’s unfortunately too early for whiskey

[1:14] so we have to settle with whatever hydrating beverage we have in front of us.

[1:20] Yeah, I’m not privy to whatever intro Ivan did to this

[1:24] this particular episode, but I will share that

[1:27] Ivan and I have known eachoter for the

[1:28] majority of our lives, I would say at this point.

[1:30] Hey Lodro. Hi.

[1:31] I want to say we met when I was around 18.

[1:33] Does that sound right to you? That sounds right.

[1:35] Yeah. Well over 20 years, whatever it is. Yeah.

[1:38] And through various Buddhist circles.

[1:40] And then Sara,

[1:44] your sister, and I were living in Boston at the same time. We're friends.

[1:47] So every time you were in Boston, we would see you.

[1:50] And yeah, Matt Murphy’s sort of became our home base,

[1:53] our IP for whiskey and friendship.

[1:56] And of course that's spiraled into other endeavors, and—

[1:59] and not just drinking whiskey.

[2:01] But, you know, I think that there is— it's like,

[2:03] um, very sweet long friendship that we've had over these many decades.

[2:08] Totally. And one of the things

[2:09] that I've really appreciated about you throughout our—

[2:13] the tenure of our friendship is that you've never been afraid

[2:16] to jump into situations and use humor to lighten up a room.

[2:19] And— and I want that quality of ease

[2:22] in this thing, so I want to start off: do you have any good jokes?

[2:25] Do you have a joke to tell us?

[2:26] Oh my God.

[2:28] I mean, here's the thing, because now I've got this three-year-old,

[2:31] so all of my jokes are like three-year-olds also, like, you know that.

[2:35] Yeah, exactly.

[2:37] Some of them do. I'm, you know, I skew towards sort of the bizarre.

[2:41] So one of my favorites is, um, a man comes home

[2:45] and he finds his roommate sitting there on the couch,

[2:48] and his roommate now has a pumpkin for a head.

[2:51] And the man says,

[2:54] oh, hey, I couldn't help but notice you have a pumpkin for a head now.

[2:58] What happened today? Then he goes, oh, yeah, this.

[3:00] Well, here's the thing. I found a lamp and I rubbed it.

[3:02] A genie came out, and I, um, got three wishes.

[3:07] And he says, oh man, that's incredible. What happened?

[3:09] As well, first I— I wish for all the wealth imaginable.

[3:11] He goes, what— what happened then?

[3:13] He says, go check the closet.

[3:14] He goes, opens the closet.

[3:16] Stacks of hundred dollar bills

[3:18] just keep flowing out of the closet, just packed with all the money.

[3:21] And he says, Oh, wow, that's really incredible.

[3:24] Would you wish, you know, for your second wish?

[3:28] And he said, Oh, I just wished for incredible food,

[3:31] whatever I could imagine, which is always be in the fridge.

[3:33] He goes, what happened? He goes, go check the fridge. He opens the door.

[3:36] There's just food overflowing, all the most succulent,

[3:39] you know, fruit and desserts and cheeses and all the things.

[3:44] And he comes back and he goes, Okay, so what happened with the third wish?

[3:46] And the guy goes, Well, third wish I sort of messed up,

[3:48] because what happened is I wished for a pumpkin head.

[3:57] I think that, you know— how am I gonna relate this to Buddhism?

[4:01] I think that there's always something, you know,

[4:03] from like the Buddhist perspective.

[4:04] Like, I try explain the word samsara, the cycle of suffering, the other day,

[4:08] and it's like, you know, it's the fact that we're always wanting something more.

[4:11] And it's like, even when we get it, really, you know what I want now?

[4:14] And we could just— when we get everything we want, we're still

[4:17] going to come up with something new, you know, and then we regret it.

[4:19] Great, yeah.

[4:20] Now I have a pumpkin head. And then we work with the pumpkin head.

[4:25] That, yeah, now it's the source of suffering, you know.

[4:28] That's— that's samsara for you.

[4:29] That's literally it in a nutshell.

[4:33] So in this podcast, I like to get to know the—

[4:38] the interviewee in all of their forms.

[4:41] So I'd like to start with some childhood stories,

[4:44] the who, what, where, whens of your childhood.

[4:47] And yeah, tell me a little bit about where you grew up, your household,

[4:51] all those things that made little Lodro or your birth name,

[4:57] Paul, who you were.

[5:01] Yeah, I'm trying to remember

[5:03] if we've talked about this either way, we'll dive into it.

[5:06] But I was raised in a Buddhist household.

[5:10] So my parents had been practicing Tibetan Buddhism

[5:13] in lineage of Chögyam Trungpa Rinpoche before I came around.

[5:17] So it was always just in the household. And the story that they tell

[5:19] is that they opened the door one day to call me in to dinner, and I was...

[5:25] You and I grew up around high school age.

[5:28] We saw the Blair Witch Project,

[5:29] which has this creepy image of burned and collective brains from that moment

[5:34] of someone just facing the wall, staring at it.

[5:37] I imagine that's basically what they found.

[5:39] I was sitting there just sort of at six years old staring at the wall.

[5:43] And they slowly closed the door.

[5:44] And then when dinner was ready, they came and got me.

[5:47] And so what was going on over there? And I said, I was meditating.

[5:54] And they said, OK, so what does that mean to you?

[5:57] And I said, well, I was noticing that I was breathing.

[6:01] And when I got distracted, I came back to noticing I was breathing.

[6:05] And they're like, yeah, that's it, right?

[6:07] It is to some extent.

[6:08] It's as simple as that.

[6:10] And so they found like, okay, we could encourage this.

[6:15] It was sort of in the air of my New York City upbringing.

[6:19] And so when I was 11, I started doing what were called Shambhala training weekends.

[6:23] So there are weekend retreats and continue to do that every couple of years until

[6:27] I ultimately hit this point where I was, this is the embarrassing part of it,

[6:34] I was actually contemplating what I wanted to do for a college essay.

[6:38] I was like a junior in high school.

[6:40] My parents were like, well, you know, there's this really great monastic program

[6:43] at Gampo Abbey in Nova Scotia where you take temporary

[6:45] ordination as a monastic. You shave your head.

[6:48] You take the robes, the vows, the whole nine yards.

[6:51] I was like, I've got nothing else going this summer.

[6:52] That sounds like a great essay. So, you know, in retrospect, the number

[6:57] of times I've done it for the story, so to speak, since this is probably

[7:01] where it started because it was a great essay.

[7:03] But it really changed my life because there was this moment

[7:07] where I was doing a walking meditation about three weeks in.

[7:12] And they had these beautiful like wall-length windows.

[7:17] And you just see the ocean out there.

[7:19] You're really out in the middle of the cliffs in Nova Scotia.

[7:22] And this whale breached and then came crashing down into the sea.

[7:27] And it stopped my mind for a moment.

[7:30] And the thought that came up next was,

[7:32] this is not something my parents have done.

[7:34] This is now my path. They had never been there.

[7:37] They had never done the monastic. All of a sudden,

[7:39] it was no longer a family.

[7:41] It was like my path had now begun in earnest.

[7:45] And I'd quote, unquote, individuate, I guess.

[7:48] And I never went back.

[7:50] As you noted, I was like born Paul.

[7:51] I took what in Buddhism is called refuge when I was six.

[7:55] So I received the name Lodro.

[7:56] But when I went to the monastery, I was asked to adopt

[8:00] it along with the monks' robes and vows. And I just never went back.

[8:05] I just called myself Lodro from then on and went on to go to university.

[8:11] It did turn into a good essay.

[8:13] But the whole plan backfired

[8:16] because all I did when I got to university was Buddhism.

[8:18] All I did was just study and practice, and I sort of just kept going from there.

[8:24] It's such an interesting threshold when you're doing what you're doing

[8:30] because it's what's happening in your household.

[8:33] You're doing that because you want to be doing that.

[8:36] And I remember that transition in my life as well and how powerful that was.

[8:40] I mean, we have a pretty similar story with this.

[8:43] I was going to ask, do you have a moment like

[8:44] that for you where you're like, oh, this is not my mom and dad's thing?

[8:49] Totally. What was it?

[8:51] So I went, my dad brought me

[8:53] to visit Thinley Norbu Rinpoche, actually against my will.

[8:55] I didn't want to go.

[8:57] You know, meditation happened in the household

[8:59] and I did it every once in a while.

[9:02] And my dad asked me to do him a favor

[9:04] and go visit this guy that he'd been spending time with.

[9:07] How old are you in this story?

[9:09] 15, 14, 14.

[9:13] And I went and it had nothing to do with the teachings.

[9:16] It had to do with seeing somebody who embodied this special quality

[9:22] and being like, what's going on there?

[9:25] I want to know more about that.

[9:26] So for me, it wasn't like contemplating impermanence or reading something powerful

[9:30] where I really wanted to know more about Buddhism.

[9:33] It was seeing somebody who embodied the teaching so fully

[9:36] and being like, I want to be around this.

[9:40] I want to know more about this.

[9:42] So for you at Gampo Abbey, what was it other than that whale?

[9:46] What was it that made the teachings of Buddhism

[9:50] or the practice of meditation land for you and make you want to carry

[9:58] that forth for the rest of your life? Oh, that's a great question.

[10:01] I don't know what it was other than just the deep immersion in practice.

[10:05] I mean, there were great teachers. Don't get me wrong.

[10:09] I think your story there

[10:11] is so perfect because I've had moments like that with teachers.

[10:13] I'm like, oh, this is the living,

[10:16] breathing thing that I would like to emulate, actually.

[10:19] Like, this is where I'd like to go with this.

[10:21] I don't think it was that.

[10:23] In this particular experience, no knock on the teachers.

[10:25] Again, they were wonderful. But it was just the transformative

[10:28] experience of doing weeks of practice.

[10:30] It's a thing that I don't think is as emphasized in today's world,

[10:35] you know, however many decades later. How old am I?

[10:38] Yeah, like, you know, again, that's 25, 26 years later or something like that.

[10:42] It's one of those things where I think people might go away

[10:45] for a weekend or they might go away for a week.

[10:48] But to do a month of meditation, it really does transform you.

[10:53] I do feel like it's for people who are, quote unquote, serious about practice.

[10:57] I highly encourage it because it's unlike any other experience on Earth.

[11:01] It's just the experience that you get into in a retreat environment,

[11:06] it's like we instead of having about 10% of our time for practice

[11:10] and 90% for worldly endeavors and distractions and things,

[11:13] it sort of gets inverted where maybe you've got 10% time for those,

[11:17] you know, call your mother or something like that.

[11:19] But 90% of the time really is spent in practice and study.

[11:23] And to immerse our mind in that,

[11:25] not just for a couple of days, but for a month is really quite powerful.

[11:28] So I think it's just at that formative

[11:31] age, just transform me from the inside out.

[11:32] Yeah, yeah.

[11:34] It's such a powerful experience to do that.

[11:36] I— I wouldn't trade the deeper meditation experiences that I've had.

[11:41] And there's something about just the amount of time, you know.

[11:44] It's not like there's no one aha moment.

[11:48] It's just like the— the continuity of boredom and just like

[11:54] really getting past the— the waves of what you want to do and doing—

[11:59] doing it whether you want to do it or not, that really, for me,

[12:03] had had such an impact, and in longer retreat.

[12:05] Yeah, I'm with you on that.

[12:08] It's people like, how many days— hours a day do you meditate?

[12:11] It's like, well, you know, almost all of them.

[12:13] But the thing is, it's not like you then go and get to watch Netflix.

[12:17] Yeah, right.

[12:19] Like, when you get up from the cushion and you're making dinner,

[12:22] your mind is still your mind.

[12:23] It's not like it is something different.

[12:25] Like, you're still in retreat.

[12:27] You're still either present with the thing or grappling with thoughts,

[12:31] just like you were with the meditation cushion.

[12:34] Is that sort of environment is just so rare in today's world.

[12:39] Relating to like the teachings and outside of meditation experience,

[12:45] do you remember your first sense of like existential dread,

[12:47] where you like were looking for just the philosophy that made sense

[12:53] for you or something, because you were like,

[12:56] oh, this is like where you started to take those things a little more seriously?

[13:01] Because I— I've been talking to a bunch of older Dharma practitioners now, and—

[13:05] and they lament the fact that young people seem to be too distracted

[13:09] to have existential dread.

[13:11] And so I've been thinking about that in my life,

[13:13] um, and that's not always the case. Did you have a moment?

[13:17] Definitely no.

[13:18] Yeah, I didn't.

[13:20] I don't think. - Seems like a lot of them did, okay.

[13:23] - I wonder, and this is to add to your research here,

[13:26] I wonder if you might discover that some people of our generation

[13:31] have less of an existential societal dread

[13:33] and more of a personal crisis falling apart.

[13:36] For me, my father started dying on me when I was 14.

[13:40] He had a seizure and then they had to go in and do some stuff with the arteries

[13:46] and put him on a bunch of pills, and then too much blood was getting to the head.

[13:49] Two years later, it was a stroke. And then it sort of just like continued

[13:52] to be every other year there was something.

[13:54] At one point, he just fell and shattered his spine.

[13:58] There's like everything imaginable, this poor man.

[14:01] And he died when I was 29. That sounds right to me.

[14:06] So about 15 years of sort of like,

[14:08] well, he would recover and we'd be good for like six months.

[14:11] And then something else would happen. And always out of the blue.

[14:15] One thing led to another until finally it was pneumonia,

[14:18] essentially, in his weakened state, that— that got him.

[14:20] And I think that, you know, there was that thing of like,

[14:24] oh, I'm grappling with the potential loss of my father

[14:27] from a young age that sort of probably helped propel me further into Buddhism.

[14:32] But it was more of a personal thing as opposed to an existential dread like,

[14:34] oh my God, we're all die. I can't believe it.

[14:36] Was like, this has been really hard on me, and I want to be able to work

[14:40] with my mind, and I will say this for meditation

[14:44] that like this marker every two years or so, I noticed that I showed up better.

[14:49] How much of that is growing up and being more of an adult

[14:52] and how much of that is meditation practice is debatable.

[14:54] But I do think I grew more and more present.

[14:57] So instead of trying to run around and fix things and get second opinions

[15:01] and get him the best food that he needed because of X, Y,

[15:04] and Z in the hospital, it was just, can I be there with him?

[15:07] So when he did finally pass, I was there.

[15:10] It was me and his partner at the time.

[15:12] And, and, you know, it was as far as these things go, a good death.

[15:17] And I credit my meditation practice as the thing that allowed me to not escape

[15:23] or exit that moment to just be there 100%.

[15:25] And for him to feel seen and heard as he, his faculties began to go.

[15:30] So, you know, I think that there's something powerful

[15:34] to that, but it's a little bit probably different than an existential crisis.

[15:37] I think it's a similar thing.

[15:39] It's like when you have either a personal hardship

[15:43] or you're going through that with somebody else that just pulls

[15:47] you out of your ordinary thinking about reality,

[15:51] that pulls you out of just like, I'm going to do this,

[15:54] this, this, and this today, and makes you look at the world

[15:59] and impermanence in a more real way.

[16:05] Yeah, I think that's real.

[16:08] And I think it's probably more common than we suspect.

[16:11] I mean, I love this line of inquiry for you.

[16:13] I will be curious to see what you find out.

[16:17] Because I do think that there's always going to be a nudge for people.

[16:20] I remember my first job out of college,

[16:23] I was accepted to be the executive director of the Boston Shambhala Center.

[16:30] And I was 22. I knew nothing.

[16:32] I had a lot of big dreams and a lot of willingness

[16:35] to work with the community and learn things on the job.

[16:39] But I just remember standing there at the doorway of my office

[16:42] watching people come in going,

[16:43] what do any of these people have in common?

[16:46] It was a really diverse group.

[16:47] And it gradually encouraged me.

[16:49] It was like something went wrong. They're suffering in some way.

[16:53] There's something that nudged them. They were like,

[16:56] well, the drinking didn't help and the online shopping didn't help.

[16:58] I might as well just try meditation. I'll give it a try.

[17:01] And that was basically where people were at.

[17:02] Like, honestly, I've tried everything else, so maybe this will help.

[17:06] And, you know, the people that stuck clearly believed that it did. Yeah.

[17:09] When did you go from your own personal inquiry to working with others?

[17:14] Like, when did you start teaching people,

[17:15] working with groups, whether that was, you know,

[17:18] obviously we're always in the learning process ourselves.

[17:20] But when did you start sharing with others and working with others as students or,

[17:25] you know, in the capacity of teaching?

[17:28] It's an interesting question.

[17:29] I love the way you also phrase it.

[17:31] And like, also, by the way,

[17:32] we're all still like learning now too, right?

[17:34] Like I study with Dza Kilung Rinpoche.

[17:36] You know, I have a pretty active course of study

[17:38] and program that I do with him and a number of hours of practice

[17:41] I do every day and things like that. So it's like, it's ongoing.

[17:44] But I went from the monastery over to Wesleyan University

[17:50] and it was the first time in my life I had been without a Buddhist community.

[17:55] So I put up posters all around campus

[17:56] and was like, who wants to meditate with me?

[17:58] And everyone descended into this college dorm,

[18:01] like this, not dorm room, like a common room.

[18:04] And I think we even got like some makeshift cushions.

[18:09] Maybe just pulled them off the living room couches or whatever.

[18:12] But anyway, there's a small group.

[18:15] And they were like, cool, so how do we do it?

[18:17] I was like, oh, I thought you would just know how to meditate.

[18:21] Let me get some teachers in.

[18:22] So I started contacting local Buddhist groups and saying,

[18:25] hey, can someone come out?

[18:26] And we just had sort of rotating cast come through.

[18:28] Until people basically got tired of the commute and were like, hey, listen,

[18:32] you've done the prerequisites for a teacher training.

[18:34] Just go do this one.

[18:37] So within a number of months, I sort of got ushered

[18:40] into this teacher training and learned how to give

[18:42] the most preliminary meditation instruction

[18:45] and did sort of a messy job of it for a while.

[18:48] Messy just like I kept repeating the same things over and over again.

[18:51] I didn't have the level of confidence

[18:53] that I would say that I eventually grew into because I was still learning.

[18:58] And figuring out how to explain any of this.

[19:00] But I did that for a number of years.

[19:02] So by the time I got out of college, I was sort of already starting

[19:05] to teach more and give talks and things like that.

[19:08] So, you know, I'm 43 now, I was 18 then, 25 years of really just like

[19:14] trying my best to explain and translate essentially this esoteric

[19:18] ancient tradition into something that feels modern and accessible.

[19:22] So I've been doing it for a long time.

[19:24] And as you noted, like when you start teaching

[19:26] when you're 18, there is still like, you're still growing up as a person.

[19:30] And you know, you're still figuring stuff out.

[19:32] You're still dating, you're still going out

[19:35] to bars with friends, you're still doing all the things that you normally do.

[19:38] So I feel like there's so many different evolutions of my own teaching path.

[19:42] Like even when we did the first book with Shambhala Publications,

[19:46] it came out in 2012, The Buddha Walks Into a Bar.

[19:50] Like that did really well, because it was unique

[19:52] to a particular generation of people in their 20s,

[19:56] 30s who are figuring their stuff out.

[19:58] I very much was in that place.

[20:00] And I look back on it and there's some things in there.

[20:02] I'm sort of like, oh gosh, I would maybe 20th anniversary,

[20:05] a magician or something could edit some of that out.

[20:07] But you know, I mean,

[20:08] there's a whole chapter that references the Honey Badger YouTube video.

[20:13] That was a sensation at the time.

[20:14] Like it just feels like an outdated— If no one knows that reference, bless.

[20:18] But like, you know, you can go Google YouTube Honey Badger

[20:22] or something like that come up.

[20:23] Honey Badger don't give a shit, I think that's what it was.

[20:25] Anyway, but like, you know, it was of a time.

[20:28] So I look back on some of these things, and it's like, oh, it's so interesting

[20:32] because every few years it just feels like I— I'm starting to turn into new version

[20:36] of a different type of teacher.

[20:38] But, uh, as you said, that's really just because I keep learning

[20:41] and studying and going retreat as well.

[20:43] Yeah, and like you said, at that particular time

[20:46] you were speaking to— like, you came into this space

[20:49] as like a precocious person in the mindfulness space.

[20:52] And— and people were relating to what you were saying

[20:57] because you were saying it in a voice that sounded like having a conversation

[21:01] with a friend, not like being talked down to, but being talked to, um.

[21:06] And— and I think that really resonated with people your own age, but also

[21:13] surprisingly, a lot of older people who didn't see themselves as experts

[21:18] and felt like the casual way in which you were speaking about this path

[21:24] from a peer level instead of from a top-down

[21:28] level allowed people to hear it in a way that they couldn't otherwise.

[21:32] And I'd love to hear some stories about that period of time

[21:35] when you were working with that material and, you know, kind of starting your life

[21:41] as a public person, you know, as like having a public persona

[21:45] and just what that stage of your life looked like.

[21:48] Yeah, happy to.

[21:50] I also wonder if you're baiting me into the story, but I will share the story.

[21:57] So it was a different time in publishing, first of all.

[22:02] I think we just had to acknowledge it. Totally.

[22:04] This is like pre-social media being an impact.

[22:07] There was, I think, Facebook, maybe Instagram at the start.

[22:10] I don't remember exactly. I think maybe Twitter.

[22:13] But it's not like it was, oh, this person has 100,000 followers, thus

[22:16] they will be able to sell to a following and we should invest in their idea.

[22:20] It was, here's an unknown 20-something

[22:23] who has a nice proposal, but is anyone going to buy this book?

[22:27] And this is no shade to anyone, but I sent it to a couple of publishers

[22:31] and all three said no thank you, including Shambhala Pubs.

[22:36] And then I think it was some marketing seminar where they were like,

[22:38] we've got nothing for young, spiritual, but not religious people.

[22:43] And y'all came back and were like, actually, let's give this a go.

[22:47] We will not pay you any real money for this, but we will absolutely back it.

[22:50] And I was like, done, I'm in. And it's fine.

[22:55] I don't do this for the large advances or something.

[22:59] It was such a thrill to sit down and just try to write a book that I felt

[23:05] was going to open up a conversation that I wasn't finding anywhere else.

[23:09] And I feel like that's always been the books I'm trying to do.

[23:11] It's like, what conversation am I starting to have just within my own community

[23:16] of people I work with as meditation students, my friends, etc.?

[23:20] And how can I make that into a larger conversation?

[23:22] Because I want to make that important societal impact.

[23:27] So we had that conversation through the Buddha Walks into a Bar.

[23:31] And as you noted, a lot of people really responded positively.

[23:34] I think sort of...

[23:39] I also, because I was in my 20s and doing adult things,

[23:43] like running nonprofits and writing books, I was always dressing up a lot.

[23:47] So I sort of had this bow tie thing, and everyone knew the bow tie thing.

[23:50] So I was getting recognized on the New York subway.

[23:53] And it was the early days of Twitter where people would take a photo

[23:55] and be like, look, it's Lodro Rinzler on the subway.

[23:56] I was like, oh, man, I hope I didn't say anything embarrassing

[23:58] because I definitely had two drinks in me.

[24:01] So it was very early days of that sort of attention.

[24:04] I was like, that's really weird. And the story

[24:06] that I was going to reference before is like you and I were out one night

[24:08] and someone like sent over drinks from across the bar.

[24:14] And you're like, what the fuck is this?

[24:18] You're like, I need to go talk to these people. And we're like, oh, yeah,

[24:20] that's the guy that teaches meditation. He wrote that book.

[24:24] So, you know, it was very bizarre.

[24:26] Because that's not what I expected or even sought after.

[24:30] I sat there on publication day and I had the thought,

[24:34] if there's one person, one young person who starts meditating because I wrote

[24:37] this book and they keep meditating and they go through their life

[24:41] and maybe they work at some corporate job and they keep rising in the ranks

[24:45] and ultimately get more and more power, but they've been meditating

[24:48] throughout this whole time, maybe they wield that power

[24:51] with a credible sense of responsibility and a sense of connection

[24:56] to the principles discussed in this book, that would be huge.

[24:59] And then that could have a really big impact, even if it's just one person.

[25:02] So I had that thought.

[25:03] And then when more than one person started meditating

[25:06] because of it, I was like, that's just gravy on top.

[25:08] And we don't have to jump into the new book just yet,

[25:11] but the new book, You Are Good, You Are Enough,

[25:13] I sort of came back to home base.

[25:14] It's like, okay, eight books in, what does quote-unquote success look like?

[25:18] And it immediately rose in me again.

[25:20] It's just that one person who just reads the book,

[25:23] connects to that feeling like actually inherently I'm not a mess.

[25:27] Inherently I'm basically good and whole and complete.

[25:29] And that goes through life with that lens. That could be really impactful

[25:33] not just for them personally but for society.

[25:35] So I feel like my sense of success in this is very small,

[25:40] but actually it continues to surprise and delight me.

[25:43] And then anything where I get a free drink out of it, it's just crazy.

[25:50] I so resonate with what you're saying

[25:53] about just making a connection with even one person.

[25:55] I wrote a children's book where I basically knew

[26:00] that it was going to be a tiny audience, but I loved the illustrator

[26:04] for it and it felt like a worthwhile venture.

[26:06] And I've heard maybe five stories about parents who've read that book

[26:11] to their kid and that they've wanted as a kid

[26:14] to meditate or to know what mommy and daddy are doing.

[26:18] And it allows them to be in that space.

[26:21] And just that, I knew that book was going to lose money when we made it.

[26:26] And I was totally, totally fine with it.

[26:28] You knew it would also have an impact. Yeah, I get that a lot.

[26:31] Yeah, and that's why I did that.

[26:33] And that's made it totally worthwhile for me,

[26:36] even as a business person who needs to support a staff.

[26:40] Every once in a while, we do those things.

[26:42] And sometimes they have a wider impact.

[26:45] Sometimes they could surprise. Totally, yeah.

[26:48] But there's no expectation of that.

[26:51] And that's kind of the beauty of it.

[26:52] And it's like bringing that meditation mind of like no expectations,

[26:56] no hope or no fear, just being with what is and trying to do benefit.

[27:01] Yeah, it's awesome.

[27:02] And I love that because it is one of those things

[27:04] where it's increasing rarity,

[27:06] let's say, in the publishing industry, where it used to be people would just say,

[27:12] OK, we don't know what's going to happen with this book.

[27:15] We believe in this book. Hopefully, it's going to reach the right people.

[27:18] And we'll do our best to usher it out the door and get people's eyes on it.

[27:23] And now it feels like

[27:24] there's just more data that people can have in the front end.

[27:27] Again, it's like how big is your newsletter list?

[27:29] How many people are following you on social media? All of that.

[27:31] And it's like, okay, so that's probably a quote unquote safer bet

[27:34] than the relative unknown person who might even have a slightly better idea.

[27:38] So it's just great that you're...

[27:41] Not to just shove lots and lots of praise on you all, but it's great that you...

[27:46] I love everything that you all do and every time I see

[27:49] the new titles come out, I'm like, this is a cool new idea.

[27:52] And I imagine some do really well and some fall a little bit short

[27:56] of expectations, but it's still incredible that they're out

[27:59] there and you're like, well, we're doing this based on the merit of the work,

[28:02] as opposed to just, this person has 100,000 followers.

[28:05] Yeah. Right. And for us, as we're a business,

[28:08] we have to have the balance of those two things,

[28:10] but we always are trying to balance those two things of things

[28:14] that we're passionate about and we feel like have benefit in the world.

[28:18] And those things also need to support,

[28:23] pay for themselves to some extent because we're not a nonprofit.

[28:26] So it's always a dance.

[28:29] But yeah, it's also a bit of a bummer.

[28:32] As any field gets flooded with stuff, it's harder and harder to stand out.

[28:38] And like you were saying, there was a time in publishing where it was a smaller set

[28:45] of things, just like with television and then video content.

[28:48] It was like, you know, these things could gain traction

[28:52] because there was only so much stuff.

[28:55] And when you were looking for certain

[28:57] information, there were only so many voices.

[28:59] And now it's just like, just with the proliferation

[29:01] of information, it's harder and harder to have a beautiful idea

[29:06] or a beautiful project gain that momentum without all of the metrics

[29:12] that we kind of hate but have to work with.

[29:15] At this stage, it took me too many books to realize,

[29:18] don't go read the Amazon reviews.

[29:20] But I remember when Sit Like a Buddha came out, which was this tiny little

[29:23] guide that we did together, like how to meditate.

[29:26] I want to say 2014 or something like that it came out.

[29:29] And I remember going online and someone wrote a three-star review.

[29:36] And three stars is actually quite generous for this.

[29:38] I think they said something like, nothing you couldn't find quicker on Google.

[29:43] And I was like, if you want quick on how to meditate, you're right.

[29:46] In today's world, you could just go on Google

[29:48] how to meditate and find a 10 minute video.

[29:51] Yes. Totally fine.

[29:53] If you want like a short little book

[29:54] from a particular perspective, different, right?

[29:57] But like, I love that because it is, that's the world we live in now.

[30:00] Yeah. Yeah.

[30:02] So since the time of those original books

[30:05] that we did with you and your life at that time, things have changed a lot.

[30:10] You're married with an adorable little girl

[30:12] and you used to live in the cities and you live out in the country now.

[30:17] Tell me a little bit about your life and, you know, temporally, spiritually,

[30:21] what's happening with you these days? Yeah.

[30:24] So you're right.

[30:26] The Buddha Walks into a Bar came out 2012. And I remember,

[30:29] I think it was the Boston Phoenix, which I don't even know

[30:31] if it still exists, but it was a newspaper at the time.

[30:33] And they're like, this is the cool kids Buddhist.

[30:36] And at some point in recent years my wife was like, I think

[30:38] you have to take that off your website because you're not a kid anymore.

[30:43] You know, like, that's not the brand, so to speak—

[30:45] another word that we didn't really use back then.

[30:48] Uh, yeah.

[30:49] So I, as I mentioned, you know, we've done a book every two years or so since then,

[30:55] and over that time, like, I— my life has just changed dramatically.

[31:00] You know, it went from someone in their 20s figuring

[31:02] themselves out into even their 30s and meeting my now wife, and, um,

[31:08] you know, navigating all the things of moving upstate,

[31:12] getting married, having a now three-year-old child.

[31:15] And it's sort of like, man, I am, uh, very squarely in— in middle age.

[31:21] We were talking about before we got it going.

[31:23] I was like, yeah, so I started building these garden beds,

[31:25] which— and— honestly, I don't think there's anything more middle-aged.

[31:29] Actually, this is a cool one.

[31:31] I swear this isn't a crisis, but we are friends with this guy,

[31:38] and he paints houses, and he was painting Marina Abramović's house.

[31:43] And she lives about 15 minutes from here.

[31:46] And he was like, hey, do you want to buy her very old car?

[31:49] She's just trying to get it out of her garage.

[31:52] So we are in the process

[31:54] of purchasing Marina Abramović's 1965 Chrysler New Yorker.

[31:59] And we just got to get it running again.

[32:01] And then it's like that's about as middle-aged

[32:04] as it can get here by a classic car.

[32:07] But, you know, it's like, yeah, it's like such a scene up here that people

[32:11] will like on Sundays drive around and get ice cream in their classic cars.

[32:16] It's also because she wants it out of her garage.

[32:18] We're going to get it for a steal. And she's being very nice about it.

[32:21] So anyway, long story short, very middle-aged at this point.

[32:24] And it's been really interesting because I think the primary identity

[32:27] And it's been really interesting because I think the primary identity

[32:30] marker is no longer cool kid Buddhist.

[32:32] It's like Ruby's dad. And I'm totally fine with that.

[32:36] I am totally not interested in being known as the Buddhist author

[32:41] or the guy that started the meditation companies or whatever.

[32:44] It's just I'm so happy to just be Ruby's dad

[32:47] and to be a good neighbor and to teach locally and to teach online

[32:53] and to just whoever wants to work with me can work with me.

[32:56] It feels very organic and very not...

[32:59] Like if there was ever any moment of status or fame or...

[33:02] It's just not...

[33:03] It's all so ephemeral anyway.

[33:07] And it's just about doing the work wherever the work might be.

[33:10] And sometimes that means giving a talk to a couple hundred people

[33:12] and sometimes that means taking my kid to the playground.

[33:15] And that's still... It doesn't feel like there's a big separation

[33:18] in my mind in the way that they might have been before.

[33:20] Yeah. Beautiful.

[33:24] So taking that as the reference

[33:26] for where you are in your life, the new book,

[33:29] You Are Good, You Are Enough, what's it about?

[33:32] Like, what's the perspective?

[33:34] What are you conveying in that that's really,

[33:37] you know, obviously this is your offering to the world from where you are now.

[33:44] So what is that?

[33:47] Yeah, so You Are Good, You're Enough.

[33:50] As I said before, every time I write a book,

[33:52] I'm like, what's the conversation that I'm trying to have here?

[33:56] And I do feel, so let's just zoom out a little bit.

[34:01] 2019, I started teaching more online, and that sprouted into a community

[34:06] of students that wanted to work with me online.

[34:08] So we sort of established regular sits as a community

[34:12] and talks that come out every Thursday and all sorts of things like that.

[34:15] And that's still going, however many years later.

[34:17] And so the common thread seemed to be that we kept talking about and, you know,

[34:25] really trying to practice through the lens of: what if we viewed ourselves

[34:29] not as basically a mess or in need of fixing,

[34:32] but that meditation was actually the tool to help us rediscover

[34:36] that we have been whole, complete, and good all along?

[34:39] I.e., the core teachings

[34:41] of what is sometimes referred to as basic goodness.

[34:43] Obviously, that's a term

[34:45] that Chögyam Trungpa Rinpoche came up with in the late '60s, early '70s,

[34:50] just for stringing together two random Tibetan words like

[34:55] Döné Sangwa

[34:56] And it's great, but it's not something you'll find in traditional Buddhist texts.

[35:02] It's his understanding of how he could translate the fundamental

[35:06] principles of our own wakefulness into Western parlance

[35:09] that we could just say, hey, your basic, in this case, if you hate that word,

[35:15] fundamental, primordial, innate, inherent, you are, that is, it's basically

[35:20] who you are is good, not good versus bad, like that there's someone out there

[35:25] who's bad or evil, but that you're whole, that you're complete, that you're wakeful.

[35:31] That's actually your birthright.

[35:33] And I think that, you know, this is something that I was raised with.

[35:36] Sometimes, I don't know if you've had this experience

[35:38] people were like, what was it like being raised meditating?

[35:41] It's like, I don't know. Cause I don't really have like another version.

[35:45] That's what we know. Right.

[35:46] Like I don't have another, my brother didn't, he he's older than me.

[35:49] He wasn't raised meditating. He's very anxious.

[35:52] I don't know. Maybe that's the closest thing I have.

[35:54] And, but like the real thing was I was raised in a culture

[35:56] And, but like the real thing was I was raised in a culture

[35:58] of basic goodness, meaning that as a kid, if something went wrong

[36:02] or a mistake happened, it wasn't that I was a bad

[36:05] kid is I'm basically good. And I made a mistake.

[36:07] I think that is the view that really helped me as,

[36:13] you know, I entered teenagers and 20s and 30s and so on.

[36:16] And I think it's also just a really powerful view

[36:19] for us right now, for us individuals, uh, that like

[36:22] when we come up with our own sense of doubting ourselves or self-aggression,

[36:26] that we would realize that we're fundamentally okay.

[36:29] And yes, mistakes happen.

[36:31] Yes, you said the wrong thing at the dinner party.

[36:33] That doesn't mean you're a bad person. And then also about each other,

[36:37] that from a societal point of view, I think we're really getting

[36:40] into these silos of like, just me and people like me,

[36:43] and anyone who isn't thinking like me, politically like me,

[36:46] or whatever it might be, they're wrong, and they're bad.

[36:49] And that's actually going to be, we're already seeing it sort of tear

[36:53] the United States apart, and I think other places as well.

[36:56] And I do think that if we can shift our view slightly,

[36:59] there is a lot of societal healing that can happen of,

[37:01] well, they believe what I believe or they made a mistake

[37:04] or whatever it is doesn't mean they're bad.

[37:07] They're good and they may not understand things the way that I understand things

[37:11] or I may not understand things the way they understand things.

[37:13] It's a very different perspective.

[37:15] So the book overall is just opening up conversations in these three fronts.

[37:19] One is can we start to recognize that we ourselves are basically good?

[37:23] And obviously meditation

[37:24] is a huge practice that helps us come into the lived experience of that.

[37:29] This is not a philosophy book.

[37:31] This is not dogmatic.

[37:33] It is really like when we are alone with ourselves,

[37:36] can we let go of the stories long enough just to acknowledge,

[37:40] oh, there's something whole and solid there underneath.

[37:43] And then can we start to connect to other people in our life around that,

[37:47] the people that we like, your family, have chapters there about your spouse,

[37:52] your kid, your coworker, all of these different people

[37:55] in your life that you might say, oh, I like this person.

[37:58] And then it gets into the people we don't know, the strangers in our life?

[38:02] And, you know, could we start

[38:04] to acknowledge their humanity, the people around us?

[38:07] And then it gets even into the people we don't like.

[38:10] Because basically, those are the three groups that we set up for everyone.

[38:13] We see someone, we say, oh, that person reminds me of my childhood bully.

[38:17] I don't like them. That person is attractive.

[38:19] I do like them. We're actively ignoring everyone else.

[38:21] We're passing on the street, right? We're doing that all the time.

[38:24] So the idea of could we even begin to acknowledge the basic goodness

[38:30] of those people that we have a hard time with,

[38:32] that we might villainize, etc., is in there.

[38:35] And then we look at this from a societal perspective saying, hey,

[38:38] what is society if not you, me, plus the people we like,

[38:43] the people we don't like, and this massive group called everyone else?

[38:46] So could we posit the idea at least that society is basically good,

[38:51] even though it feels basically messed up right now?

[38:53] But if it's made up of people who possess basic goodness,

[38:56] it has the potential to wake up in a really big way.

[38:59] I mean, I feel like so much of the culture right now is exactly what you said.

[39:06] It's like there's a sense of openness, but there's really people

[39:11] don't want to have to deal with those who they deem as bad.

[39:18] Or like this person did this bad thing and therefore I want them extricated.

[39:23] But like, what do we do with, you know, ourselves

[39:26] when we feel like we've been, you know, when we haven't been our best selves

[39:30] and others, when we don't agree with them, we have to work with that.

[39:34] It's like, you know, so I was talking with somebody recently,

[39:36] I don't remember who it was, but we were talking about how when you get

[39:39] married, that's not the end of the movie. It's the beginning of the movie.

[39:43] It's what happens after that, which is really what's important.

[39:47] And it's the same thing, you know, like we're in this mess

[39:51] of samsara together and, you know, we're either going to be in it together

[39:54] or we're going to be against each other.

[39:56] And so, like, how do we work with ourselves

[40:00] when we when we don't love ourselves and others when we don't love them?

[40:03] And that's such a beautiful thing to be contemplating and working with.

[40:07] And I love the language that you're using around it.

[40:11] Yeah, thank you. I sort of summarize it all as like

[40:14] a three-step plan, which is like very modern age.

[40:17] But step one in this is like we discover our own basic goodness,

[40:21] that we are inherently whole, complete okay-nesses.

[40:24] And again, that can just be you're meditating, you've got 10 minutes,

[40:27] and for a moment you're like, oh, in this moment I'm okay.

[40:31] Like I'm not stressed and anxious.

[40:33] Like, oh, is that it?

[40:35] And then we start to, step two, develop a relationship to that.

[40:38] We start to trust in our own experience of those moments.

[40:41] We start to string them together when we're getting in the shower

[40:43] and the hot water is hitting our back and we're just able to be there for it.

[40:47] And there's some sense of, oh, this feels good.

[40:49] Like I'm good.

[40:50] Not like delightful, but just literally whole here embodied.

[40:55] Oh, there's that moment.

[40:57] When my child hugs me goodnight every night.

[41:00] You know, that she just sort of throws her whole body at me.

[41:02] And then I'm obviously 100% present with her as I'm holding her.

[41:06] There's basic goodness there.

[41:07] So to start to string these moments and recognize them

[41:10] in all these interactions, and then the third step is we start

[41:14] to live our life through the lens of basic goodness,

[41:16] that we start to, you know, the one Tibetan word that I love is gyu,

[41:22] G-Y-U, which means continuity, like this continuity of wakefulness,

[41:26] that we start to just piece these moments together here

[41:28] and there, so we live a life that feels like it's in touch with that sense

[41:32] of basic goodness as opposed to stress and anxiety. Awesome.

[41:37] To go further on this,

[41:37] To go further on this,

[41:38] what did your Spotify Wrapped look like last year?

[41:42] What are some of the songs?

[41:45] I actually thought, with all of my time with my child

[41:49] and all this, I was like, oh, I should do a playlist alongside

[41:53] You Are Good, You Are Enough, which still might come out.

[41:55] Maybe I'll do it this summer.

[41:56] I'm working on it very, very, very slow.

[42:00] But my actual Spotify Wrapped was like, guess what?

[42:04] You listened to Barbara Ann by the Beach Boys

[42:07] more time than the Beach Boys listened to it or played it.

[42:13] Like I got a personalized call from Spotify saying,

[42:15] is everything okay over there?

[42:18] Who is Barbara Ann?

[42:19] How did they hurt you?

[42:21] Because my kid just wanted that on repeat

[42:23] and like still does sometimes, but like really.

[42:26] And then this year it's going to be even worse

[42:27] because you and I are recording in June.

[42:30] We are still listening daily to Frosty the Snowman.

[42:33] Oh my goodness.

[42:35] It's really— I mean, there's something like, at some point

[42:40] I'm sure we'll do a book around like parenting and things like that.

[42:43] Not that I know a lot about parenting, but I—

[42:47] I understand how like I'm— I'm viewing it through this lens of like,

[42:50] wow, this is— this is, you know, the paramita of patience.

[42:53] Like, there's no getting out of Frosty the Snowman.

[42:56] What am I going to do?

[42:57] Am I going to grin and bear it and like hate myself?

[42:59] Like, no. I'm just going to be like, let's just see what this like to listen

[43:03] to this on repeat for months on end.

[43:06] Like, what is that like?

[43:07] Can I get on board with that, you know?

[43:09] It's insane and I'm gonna be here for it.

[43:11] So like, if I could fight it or not, like, can I just be open to it?

[43:14] Can be open to the experience? Anyway, I'm learning a lot through this parenting

[43:16] thing, but my Spotify Wrapped is looking horrible as a result.

[43:21] What was the top song that did not relate to your daughter whatsoever?

[43:25] Do you remember?

[43:26] Oh gosh, I don't even know if that's in there, that if that exists.

[43:29] It's like so buried.

[43:30] It's so far down.

[43:31] Yeah, it's so far down.

[43:34] You know, I— I would have to look it up, but okay.

[43:36] And that's okay.

[43:38] You know, I, again, like, I don't mean to just be like, oh,

[43:41] I'm like, you know, I'm a girl dad. That's who I am.

[43:43] Like, it's— it's an egoic identity like anything else, right?

[43:46] Like, Spotify Wrapped is us being like, look at my egoic identity.

[43:50] Look at this.

[43:51] I'm in the top zero one percent fan of this particular obscure artist.

[43:55] That's how indie I am.

[43:56] Or like, look, I'm, you know,

[43:58] I listened to this really amazing artist that no one's heard of.

[44:01] Like, it's just— that's fine and good.

[44:03] I— I'm fine with it being like, your Ruby's dad.

[44:06] And I don't want to hold these identities

[44:09] too tightly because like, yeah, that is what's happening right now.

[44:12] And yeah, uh, you know, maybe at some point

[44:14] I'll get my Spotify Wrapped back, but I don't—

[44:16] I think it's gonna be another couple years. Okay.

[44:19] I— I found like

[44:20] quite the opposite of what you're saying when I looked at my Spotify Wrapped.

[44:23] I was surprised how basic I am in— in reality,

[44:28] no matter how I think about myself.

[44:31] Yeah, I really do love that.

[44:33] It was not at all how I think of myself.

[44:37] It's not reflected in what I listen to the most,

[44:41] which I just found interesting.

[44:43] I'm looking at it right now.

[44:45] I pulled it up while— while we are on the line. Yeah.

[44:48] It goes down to like Louis Armstrong,

[44:52] What A Wonderful World, again, because of Ruby.

[44:55] And then the really embarrassing one, this is a song that my father used

[44:59] to play for me, which I thought was so funny as a kid.

[45:03] And then my daughter did too.

[45:04] And it's a horrible song.

[45:05] It's called Fish Heads by Barnes and Barnes.

[45:08] And it literally goes, fish heads, fish heads,

[45:11] roly poly fish heads, fish heads, fish heads, eat them up, yum.

[45:15] And she was so tickled by it.

[45:19] And then my wife had to start pretending like she couldn't play it on her phone.

[45:22] It could only be played on dad's phone. Which is such a good parenting move.

[45:28] That's such a great move.

[45:30] But I love that it's not just Baby Shark and Frozen.

[45:32] Like you've opened her world.

[45:35] Yeah, Louis Armstrong is great.

[45:37] Come on. That's great. Yeah.

[45:39] At least it's like palette things that you,

[45:41] even if the repetition kills you, it's still somewhat palatable.

[45:46] Exactly right. Yeah.

[45:50] So outside of your family and your professional work,

[45:55] like what's giving you juice these days?

[45:57] Like what are you finding interesting in the world outside

[46:01] of Lodro the meditation teacher and Lodro the dad?

[46:04] Like what's giving you a little bit of joy? Yeah.

[46:09] I mean, it is really interesting because we live in a very small town.

[46:13] And, you know,

[46:15] it's just one of those situations where I think we're still developing

[46:20] community six years in to living where we live.

[46:23] And it's been a really beautiful time for me

[46:27] and my wife, Adriana, to sort of like just discover

[46:31] what it's like for us to have like small town hobbies.

[46:34] Like, what do we do with ourselves?

[46:36] And we were talking before we got going, and I mentioned here as well,

[46:39] you know, like, let's build a garden together.

[46:42] What is that like? It feels like I'm just learning

[46:45] at this point to take care of a very old house.

[46:49] We have a house from the 1700s.

[46:51] And fix things.

[46:53] I was not raised in a household that did any of these things.

[46:56] To work with your hands. To work with the earth.

[46:58] So it feels like I'm coming into a more embodied

[47:01] state of being at this point.

[47:02] And then on the flip side of all of this, I have always been a comics books fan.

[47:09] And I started doing a very silly podcast called X-Men Horoscopes,

[47:15] which is basically just me having comic creators and things like that on.

[47:20] And we review their birth month and year and say, okay,

[47:24] so that maps to this X-Men issue that came out in whatever year that is.

[47:28] And what does that story mean about your future?

[47:32] So it's a blending of the spiritual and the very geeky.

[47:37] But it's like a really fun way

[47:38] that I've also built community just around this other thing that I love.

[47:41] You know, my wife always jokes I only know Buddhism and X-Men.

[47:44] So I sort of had that been dormant for a thousand years.

[47:47] I actually remember sitting across from your sister

[47:50] while I was writing The Buddha Walks into the Office.

[47:54] And just turning to her and said, from a professional perspective,

[47:57] how many superhero references is too many in a Buddhist book?

[48:01] And she said, how many do you currently have?

[48:04] I said, three. And she goes, stop there.

[48:07] Which is very wise advice.

[48:09] You need the book where you fully let that— that freak flag fly.

[48:14] Yeah, more coming on that in the distant future, I imagine.

[48:17] Okay. Okay, great.

[48:19] Um, I'd like to wrap these up with a short practice or a contemplation

[48:26] that's been really powerful for you recently.

[48:28] I find that within my own practice, there are things,

[48:32] sometimes cyclically, that mean more to me,

[48:35] and sometimes things that I'm exposed to that I didn't know before,

[48:40] that are particularly powerful at different times.

[48:44] What have you found, either for yourself or that which you're sharing

[48:48] with students, that's been particularly potent at this time?

[48:53] Yeah, it's an interesting one.

[48:58] I going to do two angles on this.

[49:00] The first is that sort of a parenting angle.

[49:04] And then I want to do a more general, like what's

[49:05] been coming up for me lately, because when I was about to have this child,

[49:11] I turned to my meditation teacher, Kilung Rinpoche.

[49:14] And I said, listen, I'm worried that I'm not gonna be able to do like

[49:16] these long retreats with you anymore. And he has kids.

[49:19] And he sort of looked at me like I was crazy, like, of course not.

[49:22] You know? And I said, well, what advice do you have for me?

[49:28] He said, he got this look in his eyes.

[49:34] He asked like, what can I do for you, baby?

[49:36] He said, be attentive to baby.

[49:38] Just ask, what can I do for you, baby?

[49:40] I am here for you. You're suffering.

[49:42] I will do what I can to help.

[49:43] So just be attentive to baby was sort of the code

[49:46] that there's this moment of just like, whatever.

[49:50] And, you know, for people who have or have had young children,

[49:54] you know that they're just relentless in demanding your attention.

[49:58] And you can't like space out, look at your phone.

[50:00] You're like, they're just like right there.

[50:02] Uh, even driving my kid to school today,

[50:04] I was thinking about like what I had to do today

[50:06] and how we would sit down and things like that.

[50:08] And she was like, stop thinking about that.

[50:10] Like, which— you didn't know what I think.

[50:13] She's just like, stop, just stop.

[50:14] Like, okay, what do you want to talk about?

[50:16] Like, it was just like, okay, you know, like no— no space.

[50:19] So like, be attentive to baby.

[50:21] And I just started thinking about that,

[50:22] not just from the perspective like this early practice

[50:25] when I didn't have a lot of time to sit down and formally meditate.

[50:28] Like, well, I'm just gonna be present with this child.

[50:30] I'm gonna be meditate while this child's sleeping on me.

[50:32] You know, that was another practice.

[50:34] But it was like this sense of, what if I then applied that attitude

[50:38] to everyone?

[50:39] Like, you know, Ivan's baby in this case, right?

[50:42] Like, be attentive to I, right?

[50:43] Don't think about like what's coming up next

[50:45] and where you got to be and what time you go.

[50:47] Like, just be there with Ivan.

[50:48] When I'm actually able to have a dinner with my wife uninterrupted,

[50:52] just be attentive to my wife.

[50:54] Just to bring ourself 100% into relationship

[50:58] with the people around us.

[51:00] But it started with that transformative experience.

[51:02] This is the only practice I can muster right now.

[51:04] It's just showing up 100% for this being who demands that I be present.

[51:08] Because I think a lot of us don't demand that.

[51:10] It's like, oh yeah, you're getting a text, answer your text, right?

[51:12] And then you come back to lunch with me. It's just different.

[51:15] But to actually come into these interactions, like,

[51:17] actually, I'm 100% here with you.

[51:20] And then more recently, you know, I've just started doing this practice.

[51:28] Well, I guess, let me think about it.

[51:29] It's been five years or so that I've been doing

[51:31] both just a very short, like, guru yoga practice right when I wake up,

[51:35] just to, like, start my day that way.

[51:37] And then I immediately go into a gratitude practice,

[51:39] which is just so simple. It's really just what am I grateful for.

[51:42] And it's often very same, like it's a similar list, you know,

[51:46] each day is, you know, this, you know, kind, lovely person sleeping beside me.

[51:51] My child is happy and healthy.

[51:53] We have like this comfortable, safe home.

[51:55] We have these two really lovely, adorable dogs.

[51:59] We had two wonderful cats that are now deceased.

[52:02] We, my mother, you know,

[52:04] late in life is able to have the support that she needs.

[52:07] It's very basic stuff.

[52:08] And as you noted, even within that, some of it's tinged with sorrow.

[52:12] Our cats are gone. It's very sad still, a year later since they passed.

[52:16] And I still think of them every morning. But it's still gratitude.

[52:20] The gratitude's still there. And then I actually roll out of bed

[52:24] and make the coffee or go to the kid or whatever it is.

[52:28] And it takes me 30 to 60 seconds. It's not long.

[52:32] But it means that every day I start with this perspective of contentment,

[52:37] like connection to the things that are actually going well,

[52:39] even if the child's already calling for me, right?

[52:42] Like, it's not, oh my God, what do I need?

[52:43] Is okay, yeah, there's some— I've already thought and reflected

[52:48] and like felt in my heart, like, how great is that this gets healthy?

[52:50] And now I will go deal with that.

[52:52] You know, it's just a different perspective to enter the day.

[52:55] And that's— that's been very powerful for me, at least. Yeah.

[52:58] I mean, it makes such a difference starting

[53:00] with dread or starting with worry versus—

[53:05] I think it's totally underestimated how important it is we start our days.

[53:12] Like, even if it's just a small bit, I feel it so much when I go

[53:17] immediately into busyness or immediately into distraction versus

[53:21] one to five minutes of presence, of devotion, of gratitude, and—

[53:28] and I find it just shocking how the ripple effects of that into the day

[53:34] and into our interactions with others. Yeah.

[53:38] And, you know, obviously we should say since we ping pong from go on month long

[53:42] retreats to do 30 seconds in the morning, like anything within that is good.

[53:46] And the more that I do is great.

[53:48] But I do find for just my own perspective,

[53:53] to be able to start the day with that is an incredibly powerful boost

[53:56] to then start the momentum for further practice and study.

[53:59] Yeah. I mean, my Buddhist teacher didn't...

[54:04] I would say the thing that he was the most specific

[54:08] with his students was that they started their day with practice,

[54:12] that we didn't immediately go into something,

[54:15] and just how important it was.

[54:17] And like, I didn't get grilled on that much, but I got grilled on that.

[54:21] It was like, did you practice this morning?

[54:23] Did you start your day that way? Because it matters.

[54:27] And we can all show up for that in different ways.

[54:29] Like for him, it was three to four hours of stuff.

[54:33] for a new parent, it can be 30 seconds,

[54:36] but just starting with that little bit of intentionality goes so far.

[54:41] Yeah, I'm with you. Thank you for sharing that.

[54:45] My pleasure, really. Yeah, yeah.

[54:48] Um, this is fun.

[54:52] It is, yeah.

[54:54] Thanks for having me on. I really appreciate it.

[54:56] I know, um, that there's a lot going on over there,

[54:58] so it's so nice to— to be able to spend this type of time with you too.

[55:01] Yeah, totally. And I'm learning things about you each time I've done this.

[55:04] Like, I've become friends with Devendra Banhart,

[55:07] and— and you, and I've interviewed a bunch of people

[55:09] who I've known for a long time and people I consider friends.

[55:12] But I always learn things

[55:14] about those people that I care about in these interviews.

[55:17] And it's— it's pleasant for me and hopefully for the people listening

[55:21] as well to learn about the different facets of your life.

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Rinzler describes basic goodness as the view that we are fundamentally whole, even when we make mistakes. He explores it in his 2026 book You Are Good, You Are Enough, and argues that it changes how we treat ourselves and others in a culture quick to judge.
Yes. Raised in a household practicing Tibetan Buddhism, he was found sitting quietly at six years old and described his practice as noticing his breath and returning when distracted. At eleven he began attending Shambhala training weekends.
He took refuge at six and received the name Lodro then. He adopted it fully when he took temporary monastic ordination at Gampo Abbey in Nova Scotia, along with the robes and vows, and he has used it ever since.
Three weeks into a monastic program, during walking meditation, he watched a whale breach and crash back into the sea. In that moment he realized the practice was now his own path, not only his parents'. He describes it as the start of individuating from the family practice.
He recommends offering your full attention to the person in front of you and beginning each day with a moment of gratitude. He says the importance of starting the day is underestimated. Both are presented as simple enough to practice immediately.
Rinzler says fatherhood has changed his sense of identity and deepened his practice of paying attention. He has a three-year-old, and the episode frames the demands of parenting as a direct training in presence. The conversation gives limited detail beyond that.
The episode places Chögyam Trungpa Rinpoche's development of the basic goodness teaching in the late 1960s and early 1970s. Rinzler's book and teaching draw on that tradition to show how we are whole even when we err.

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