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[0:10] Welcome to the Living Myth Podcast with
[0:13] Michael Meade,
[0:14] where the shifting, [music] changing
[0:16] world is looked at from a mythic
[0:18] perspective.
[0:21] We live in a time of the lifting of the
[0:23] veil that includes [music] the
[0:25] uncovering of scandals as well as
[0:27] systemic abuses,
[0:29] but also the discovering of hidden
[0:31] truths that can reveal the way forward.
[0:35] On this episode, Meade uses surprising
[0:37] elements of the uncovering of the famous
[0:39] Lascaux Caves to show how the dramas of
[0:43] history lead us to the haunts of
[0:45] mystery.
[0:47] Like the hidden treasures found [music]
[0:48] in ancient caves, there are new forms of
[0:51] imagination and understanding [music]
[0:54] waiting to be found in the depths of the
[0:56] human soul.
[0:58] >> [music]
[1:10] >> This confusion is not my invention.
[1:13] It is all around us, and our only chance
[1:15] is to let it in, to open our eyes and
[1:18] see the mess. Then, there will be new
[1:21] form, and this new form will be of such
[1:24] a type that it admits the chaos and does
[1:27] not try to say that it is really
[1:29] something else.
[1:31] Samuel Beckett, the prophetic Irish
[1:34] writer, who like William Butler Yeats
[1:37] predicted the chaos of modern times,
[1:41] and like James Joyce, saw that something
[1:44] valuable was hidden inside the chaos.
[1:50] If there were to be a greeting for the
[1:52] Living Myth Podcast, one possibility
[1:56] would be James Joyce's statement,
[1:58] "Welcome to the chaosmos. Welcome to the
[2:01] period when cosmos and chaos intersect."
[2:05] And only if we learn to accept the
[2:08] chaos, can we find again our deep
[2:10] connection to the cosmos.
[2:14] The chaos that the poets were predicting
[2:16] appears in the disruption all across the
[2:20] surface of the earth of radical climate
[2:22] change that generates enormous and
[2:25] extreme weather systems, both warm and
[2:28] cold.
[2:29] While at the same time, psychic storms
[2:32] erupt in the form of radical changes
[2:35] happening to cultural norms and social
[2:38] systems, leaving us all in states of
[2:41] great uncertainty and growing anxiety.
[2:45] From a psychological perspective, as the
[2:48] psychologist Carl Jung predicted, we are
[2:51] currently witnessing and experiencing an
[2:54] archetypal eruption of the collective
[2:57] unconscious.
[2:58] At the same time, the outer storms grow
[3:01] greater and greater. There is an upsurge
[3:04] of unconscious energies and repressed
[3:06] feelings and deep issues being stirred
[3:10] in the depths of the soul that merge
[3:13] with the increased rate of change as
[3:16] everything seems to happen at once.
[3:19] Welcome to the chaosmos.
[3:22] As I've described before on the pod-
[3:25] cast, this type of collective drama
[3:28] occurring in the outside world as well
[3:31] as within the human psyche is connected
[3:34] to the original idea of apocalypse.
[3:38] The ominous word apocalypse comes from
[3:40] the Greek apocalypsis,
[3:43] meaning uncovering what has been hidden
[3:47] or lifting the veil.
[3:50] As the veil lifts, we see the chaos that
[3:53] was just under the surface, and we see
[3:55] the cultural shadows become more and
[3:59] more revealed.
[4:00] Reveal, like veil, is a cloth word
[4:04] from a Latin verb meaning to uncover, to
[4:06] disclose, to unveil.
[4:08] It's also connected to the French root
[4:10] voiler,
[4:12] which gives us both veil and voila.
[4:16] To be alive now is to see the veil
[4:19] lifting over and over again as all
[4:22] manner of hidden things become exposed
[4:25] and disclosed as underhanded deals are
[4:28] exposed for what they truly are, as
[4:31] scandals arise in all directions, and as
[4:34] cases of fraudulent identity and
[4:38] fraudulent practices abound.
[4:41] These dark revelations are not simply
[4:45] troubling. Rather, they lead to great
[4:48] cultural uncertainty and therefore
[4:51] greater collective anxiety.
[4:54] Collective because we don't have to be
[4:56] personally part of the multiplying
[4:59] scandals to feel both personal and
[5:02] collective trauma.
[5:05] As Beckett says, it is all around us,
[5:08] and our only chance is to let it in, to
[5:10] open our eyes and witness the mess.
[5:15] For only in becoming more conscious of
[5:17] all that has been repressed and hidden,
[5:20] can we also become capable of seeing the
[5:23] new forms trying to take shape behind
[5:27] the great mess.
[5:29] For at the same time, literally and
[5:32] metaphorically, that scandals are
[5:35] uncovered and long repressed issues
[5:37] become revealed, there can also occur
[5:40] discoveries of deeper meanings in both
[5:42] individual life and collective
[5:45] experience.
[5:47] As the veil lifts, we find ourselves
[5:50] living in an open and uncertain
[5:52] historical moment that the ancient
[5:55] Greeks called an apokalypsis.
[5:59] The first part of the word connects to
[6:01] apocalypse, but the ending kairos shifts
[6:05] everything towards the eternal. For
[6:08] kairos was the word that represented
[6:12] timelessness or eternal time that is
[6:15] hidden right under the veil of time.
[6:19] Amidst the pattern of chaos and
[6:21] collapse, something eternal, not
[6:25] time-bound, but enduring, is trying to
[6:28] emerge.
[6:29] It would be helpful and appropriate if
[6:32] all of the reporting of the troubling
[6:35] news of the day appeared below an
[6:38] overhead banner that reminded everyone
[6:42] that timeless and enduring and healing
[6:46] things were trying to enter through the
[6:49] chaos and confusion of the moment.
[6:53] In the long run, it turns out that
[6:55] apocalypse and revelation go hand in
[6:59] hand as both collapse and renewal are
[7:03] part of the drama in which hidden
[7:05] elements of life become uncovered and
[7:08] discovered again.
[7:11] It is psychologically and collectively
[7:14] necessary that the scandals be revealed,
[7:18] that the light of day and the light of
[7:20] intelligence be brought to bear on the
[7:23] patterns of abuse and the systems of
[7:25] mistreatment that form the living wounds
[7:28] of history.
[7:30] Without a healthy working through of the
[7:33] past, there can be no escape from its
[7:36] grip as the past repeats itself unless
[7:40] the wounds of time are brought to more
[7:43] clear consciousness and healing can be
[7:45] found.
[7:48] I keep unpacking the old complex idea of
[7:52] apocalypse because it describes how
[7:55] disruptions in nature and culture can
[7:57] happen at the same time,
[8:00] but also because it points at
[8:02] revelations of the deep self and soul,
[8:05] the underlying indwelling sense of a
[8:08] unifying principle and guiding force in
[8:11] both individual and collective life.
[8:15] This drama of uncovering loss and
[8:18] discovering is connected to the deep
[8:22] pattern of life, death, and renewal,
[8:25] which is the same pattern found in the
[8:27] archetype of initiation where the
[8:29] initiates experience a revelation of
[8:33] what was hidden within, but only after a
[8:36] challenging process of descent and an
[8:39] experience of a deeper awakening to the
[8:42] essence and meaning of life.
[8:46] I have often told the Native American
[8:48] tale of the old woman in the cave who
[8:51] secretly weaves the living web of the
[8:53] world only to have the entire wondrous
[8:56] weaving become completely unraveled
[8:59] before her on the floor of the cave.
[9:03] She faces an open moment of loss and
[9:06] disaster, of deep darkness and complete
[9:09] uncertainty, and then of a sudden she
[9:13] receives a great vision of the next
[9:15] world coming straight out of the
[9:17] darkness and chaos that surrounds her
[9:20] entirely.
[9:22] The old folk tale offers a mythological
[9:25] depiction of this state of apokairos,
[9:29] the open moment of chaos and discovery,
[9:32] the process of loss and recovery
[9:35] characteristic of the life-enhancing
[9:38] process of initiatory awakening.
[9:42] I keep trying to find ways of showing
[9:46] how we ourselves are in that kind of
[9:50] mythological moment, in that kind of
[9:53] initiatory condition, which affects both
[9:57] the individual and the collective.
[10:00] Meanwhile, it is no accident that the
[10:02] old story takes place in a cave that
[10:06] opens to the depths of the earth, really
[10:09] to the heart of the earth. The cave of
[10:12] the old woman who weaves the world is
[10:14] secretly connected to Plato's
[10:16] allegorical cave, to the old caves of
[10:19] Asclepius where healing dreams would
[10:22] arise, and to the surprising caves where
[10:25] our oldest ancestors emblazoned the
[10:28] walls with the earliest expressions and
[10:31] revelations of art.
[10:34] At such places, history meets mystery as
[10:38] the earth reveals her own deep secrets
[10:43] about survival and creation.
[10:46] I have long loved the story of the
[10:49] discovery of the cave at Lascaux in the
[10:52] forest of Dordogne in southern France.
[10:56] However, it was only recently, while
[10:59] considering the current storm sweeping
[11:02] through both culture and nature at this
[11:04] time, that I realized that the discovery
[11:08] of Lascaux occurred not simply during
[11:11] the chaotic time of World War II, not
[11:15] only during the occupation of France,
[11:19] but precisely at the time of the
[11:23] beginning of the Blitzkrieg or the
[11:25] lightning war of bombing of Britain.
[11:30] The horrendous and relentless bombings
[11:32] that tore the skies over Europe and
[11:36] characterized the horrors of that war
[11:39] began at the same time that a group of
[11:41] boys happened to stumble upon the
[11:44] opening in the ground that became known
[11:47] as the Lascaux Caves.
[11:50] The four boys were what we now call
[11:52] teenagers and they were intrigued by an
[11:55] old legend about a tunnel underground
[11:58] that could lead to a hidden treasure
[11:59] deep in the nearby woods.
[12:02] As they walked in the forest, their dog
[12:05] ran ahead and found a hole that had been
[12:07] created by a tree that had fallen in the
[12:10] winter storms before.
[12:12] When the boys saw the hole, they
[12:14] immediately thought it might lead them
[12:17] to the legendary tunnel and the hidden
[12:19] treasure that people talked about.
[12:22] Realizing it was a deep hole, they
[12:24] decided to enlarge the opening and
[12:27] explore it.
[12:28] Each in turn then slid down into the
[12:31] hole and descended along a semi-vertical
[12:35] shaft that was embedded with
[12:36] stalagmites.
[12:38] They left the daylight world with all
[12:41] its troubles behind and entered the
[12:43] darkness of the earth until they arrived
[12:46] at an underground chamber.
[12:48] They used an oil lantern to light the
[12:51] underground alcove and were stunned into
[12:54] silence to discover a hidden world
[12:57] within the earth as the light revealed a
[13:00] cavalcade of animals larger than life
[13:03] that were painted on the walls and the
[13:05] ceilings of the cave and that seemed to
[13:07] move of their own accord.
[13:10] The boys were standing in what has
[13:12] become known as the Hall of the Bulls.
[13:15] Mesmerized by the painted figures, they
[13:18] wandered further into the depths of the
[13:20] cave until the light from the oil
[13:22] lantern began to fade.
[13:24] And realizing that they had to return to
[13:26] the surface, the boys feared they might
[13:29] not be able to climb back out because of
[13:31] the steep incline of the shaft they had
[13:34] followed down in.
[13:37] What made the climb possible was the
[13:39] narrowness of the shaft that allowed
[13:42] them to use their knees and elbows to
[13:44] inch along until they reached the
[13:47] daylight world again.
[13:50] Talk about found art.
[13:52] This chance discovery of the cave of
[13:54] Lascaux revealed what at the time was
[13:57] deemed to be the very cradle of art.
[14:00] The Lascaux Cave quickly became known as
[14:03] the Sistine Chapel of prehistoric art,
[14:07] as if people intuitively could connect
[14:10] the ancient underground artwork to both
[14:13] great art and also to a religious or
[14:16] spiritual purpose.
[14:19] The art and architecture of the great
[14:21] temples and cathedrals of the world
[14:24] lifts our eyes and our hearts to heaven,
[14:27] but the origins of art seem to draw us
[14:31] back and down into the sacred caves of
[14:35] the earth and also into the deep places
[14:39] of imagination that characterize the
[14:42] human soul.
[14:44] Unlike modern art galleries, the
[14:47] prehistoric galleries were located deep
[14:50] in the earth. They were difficult to
[14:52] enter and they required a challenging
[14:55] descent before the mysteries of beauty
[14:59] and imagination could be revealed.
[15:02] Lascaux not only provided the earliest
[15:05] evidence of art in the world at the
[15:07] time,
[15:08] but the long hidden paintings also
[15:11] represented how art first began.
[15:14] It is now believed that the paintings
[15:16] were first rendered during the Upper
[15:18] Paleolithic Period or the Reindeer Age,
[15:21] approximately 30,000 years ago.
[15:25] Interestingly enough, this was the same
[15:27] time during which modern humans first
[15:30] began to emerge.
[15:33] In some sense, the art of being human is
[15:37] connected to humanity's ancient and ever
[15:40] immediate need to make art.
[15:43] The history of art is tied to the
[15:46] mystery of art.
[15:47] And the mystery of the world in which we
[15:50] live includes the fact that these two
[15:54] drastically different events involving
[15:57] humankind could happen at the same time.
[16:01] As the ever-increasing power of the
[16:04] instruments of war tore the skin off of
[16:08] human civilization like lightning
[16:11] cracking something open, the earth
[16:14] quietly opened to the four youngsters
[16:17] who were looking for a great and hidden
[16:20] treasure.
[16:21] The boys who were between 14 and 18 were
[16:25] looking for a literal treasure of gold
[16:29] or something like that,
[16:31] but found instead a symbolic treasure
[16:35] house of art.
[16:37] While their own country was being
[16:39] occupied by an invading force, they were
[16:44] led to a spot that opened into the
[16:47] depths of the earth and [clears throat]
[16:49] an initiatory experience of the hidden
[16:52] beauty and imagination of humanity.
[16:57] At the same time that young men their
[16:59] own age or slightly older were being
[17:02] initiated into the dark fields of death
[17:06] and destruction known as a world war,
[17:09] they were being initiated to a different
[17:12] kind of darkness, the kind of descent
[17:16] into the darkness of the earth, which is
[17:19] ever abundant with life, and where our
[17:23] ancestors had left the markings that
[17:26] indicated they understood something
[17:28] about the mystery of life renewing from
[17:31] the depths.
[17:33] And the intimations go further because
[17:37] it is most likely that the descent into
[17:41] the darkness of the cave, followed by a
[17:45] sudden light that reveals all of the
[17:48] paintings on the walls, was an
[17:51] initiatory practice for young people at
[17:54] the very beginning of human art and
[17:57] human civilization.
[18:00] The act of discovering the ancient caves
[18:03] in modern times mimics again the acts of
[18:07] initiation and discovery that repeatedly
[18:10] occurred in the ancient caves.
[18:13] In searching for a tunnel that might
[18:16] lead to a literal treasure, the boys
[18:19] found a treasure beyond literal
[18:21] understanding,
[18:23] an opening to the timeless theater of
[18:26] imagination
[18:27] that can reveal the deep unity between
[18:31] humans and other living forms, but also
[18:34] between the hidden heart of the earth
[18:37] and the deep self trying to awaken in
[18:40] each person born.
[18:43] Because the outer world has become so
[18:47] torn apart.
[18:49] And because what it means to be truly
[18:52] human has become threatened and confused
[18:55] once again.
[18:56] And because the earth itself is now
[19:00] threatened in so many ways,
[19:03] I think my psyche goes looking for those
[19:06] occasions of history and mystery that
[19:10] show how chaos can lead to renewal and
[19:14] also to how the rough uncoverings
[19:18] can be part of a complex that also leads
[19:22] to meaningful discoverings.
[19:26] And so now I'm back to Samuel Beckett
[19:29] who amazingly enough had joined the
[19:32] French Resistance
[19:34] and after nearly being captured several
[19:36] times was hiding in southern France not
[19:41] all that far from the Dordogne forest in
[19:44] the cave of Lascaux
[19:47] while he was beginning to write Waiting
[19:49] for Godot
[19:51] and considering deeply the chaos that
[19:54] seemed to be consuming the world.
[19:58] So that as the horror of the lightning
[20:01] of bombs was tearing at the skin of the
[20:04] earth
[20:05] and four French boys were rediscovering
[20:08] the art hidden inside the earth.
[20:11] The poet and writer was advising us
[20:15] that all this confusion is not simply
[20:18] our invention.
[20:20] Yet it is all around us
[20:22] and our only chance is to let it in to
[20:25] open our eyes and see the mess.
[20:29] Also to open our eyes and see the deeper
[20:32] beauty for then there can be new forms
[20:35] and these forms will be of such types
[20:37] that they admit the chaos and do not try
[20:40] to say that it is really something else
[20:44] because the deeper knowledge says that
[20:46] from the chaos the cosmos can return.
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