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Chanting at the Bedside: A Zen Talk on Loss and Practice

PZ
Providence Zen Center
Oct 26, 2026
9 Min. Lesezeit

Von Providence Zen Center

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A Sunday dharma talk at Providence Zen Center in Rhode Island was supposed to be about art. That was the plan, at least. Chris, a dharma teacher who was born and raised in Lincoln, Rhode Island, and who now sits on the center's board of trustees, had prepared something lofty on art and the Diamond Sutra. Then the material changed on him. What he gave the room instead was an account of a motorcycle accident, a hospital bed, and a Zen community that responded to one chanting request from people who had never met the man lying in that bed. The session, which also included Zoom participants, was introduced alongside Kwan Haeng Sunim, abbot and co-guiding teacher at the center, who took questions afterward. Read closely, the talk is a study in what practice looks like when it stops being an idea and becomes a hand you hold in a room full of machines.

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What happens when a planned dharma talk turns personal?

Chris opened by admitting that the talk he had first imagined was the kind he calls fancy schmancy, the high-flown sort about art and sutra. Then his situation changed, and so did the talk. He chose to speak about something closer to everyday life, and he framed it with a preface that matters for everything that follows. As a child, he said, he did not have much of a father figure. His mother worked a lot. At about eight years old he met his best friend, David, and went to David's house, where David's father simply invited him in, fed him, and asked whether he wanted to stay over.

That small gesture is the spine of the talk. A dharma talk in a Zen center is often built around a text, a koan, or a question about the mind. Here the teaching arrives through a household: a boy who felt he belonged somewhere for the first time, and an adult who made that room possible. Zen teachers have long pointed out that practice is not only something done on a cushion. Chris's talk makes that point without citing it. The cushion, in this telling, is the kitchen table of a friend's family.

Who was Uncle Bob, and why does his story carry the teaching?

The friendship with David deepened until the two boys started calling each other cousin. David's father became Uncle Bob. Chris describes walking into the house without knocking, a kind of full Kramer entrance, and being treated as family. Uncle Bob, he said, was a man who helped his family, cared about the people he loved, and was always generous. He was not perfect. He had his hang-ups and his vices, as everyone does, but he had been helpful to Chris throughout his life, and Chris said plainly that he owed him a great deal.

The circle widened. There was Uncle David, not to be confused with cousin David, and Aunt Lynn, and others who helped shape Chris's life. Chris identifies Uncle David as his first teacher, the person who brought him to this practice. That detail is easy to pass over, but it is the point. Lineage in a Zen community is usually described in terms of transmission from one teacher to another. Chris is describing a different kind of lineage, one passed through friends, relatives, and the ordinary generosity of people who take you in.

What happened in the hospital, and how did Chris respond?

The accident came while Chris was finishing his student teaching, in March. Bob hit his head when his motorcycle went over and he slid. Chris recalls a late-night call from Bob's daughter, Sarah, who was crying and struggling to get the words out. He was shocked, he says, and then immediately went into organizing mode, calling the family and trying to get everyone together. He admits that this is simply his habit, and the room laughed at his self-awareness.

When he reached the hospital a few days later, he met Bob's wife, Sandra. He was trying to steady himself and bring good energy into the room. But Bob was completely unconscious. Chris described the injuries plainly: a traumatic brain injury to the front and back of the head, a fractured part of the skull, a spinal fracture, and a broken tibia. Earlier, Chris noted, someone had resuscitated Bob after he went down, and the family was lucky that someone was there. The talk does not resolve how Bob's recovery unfolded; the portion of the recording available for this article ends with the family still in the middle of it, and the account should be read as a report from inside that uncertainty.

What does chanting for someone who cannot respond actually do?

Chris explained his approach to chanting for the newer people in the room. Chanting, he said, is a practice we do to harmonize with ourselves and with others, and it also puts a positive energy into the world that can help people. That is the frame he used at Bob's bedside. He held his uncle's hand and chanted. There was no response. Bob was conscious in a clinical sense, and the situation was stable but not good, and Chris kept chanting, sometimes calling out the words in fragments that the room could only partly catch.

It is worth lingering on what this practice demanded of him. Chanting over an unresponsive body is a discipline that asks the chanter to give up the sense of control. Chris had spent the earlier part of the talk describing himself as someone who organizes everything. At the bedside, the only thing left to organize was his own attention. That is a shift many students of meditation will recognize: the practice stops being about getting a result and becomes about being present in the one hand you can hold.

How did a sangha respond to one request?

The next day, Chris reached out to the wider sangha and asked people to chant for Bob. The responses came quickly and in numbers he did not expect. He received emails from people who did not know Bob at all, people who had heard his name because Chris talked about him often, and people who simply sent a kind of energy that felt, in his words, like it was for you. He said the sangha really took care of the situation.

That is the part of the story that makes the talk more than a personal confession. A request for prayer that goes out to a community can become a practice with many hands. The people who chanted did not need to know Bob to do it. They needed to know that someone in their community was in trouble, and that the chanting was a way to show up. The talk leaves that idea standing without decoration.

Chris also drew on his uncle's own faith. He described Bob as a devout Catholic, and he recounted conversations in which they talked about what he calls true nature, an idea he connected to the common ground across traditions. He spoke about people of different countries, religions, and backgrounds, and suggested that all of us share the same basic human experiences of desire, mind, food, sex, and community. The recording is fragmented at these points, so the exact wording of his uncle's views is not reliable here. What comes through clearly is Chris's conviction that the faith of a Catholic uncle and the practice of a Zen student were not at odds at the bedside.

Who is Kwan Haeng Sunim, and what does his background bring to the room?

Kwan Haeng Sunim, per the event description, met Zen Master Seung Sahn at the Cambridge Zen Center in 1986. He ordained as a novice monk in 1998 at Chik Chi Sa in South Korea, according to that description, although the spoken introduction gave the year as 1999. In 2003 he received bhikku precepts at Tong Do Sa, also in South Korea. He has lived and practiced mainly at Hwa Gye Sa and Mu Sang Sa in Korea, where he served as housemaster, media director, and head monk. He received inka in December 2020, and he now teaches and practices at Providence Zen Center in Rhode Island, where he is abbot and co-guiding teacher.

Those credentials matter for a talk like this one. Inka is a formal recognition of a teacher's authorization in the Zen tradition, and bhikku precepts mark full monastic ordination. A student who has held roles as housemaster, media director, and head monk has seen a monastery from the inside, including its logistics and its daily rhythms. When Chris's personal story arrived in the room, it landed with a teacher who knows how a community carries a crisis.

What does the Q&A add to the talk?

After Chris finished, the session opened to questions. Kwan Haeng Sunim and the room took questions in a way that stayed close to the lived experience Chris had described. One participant asked Chris a question about his background, referencing his own first introduction to Zen through a friend and his Catholic upbringing. The conversation tilted toward the same theme as the talk: what happens when different traditions meet inside one person's life, and how a community keeps a practice alive through an ordinary, unplanned crisis.

The session closed with announcements, including a one-day event scheduled for November 21st. The announcement details are not fully legible in the recording, so readers wanting specifics should check the center's own listings.

Where to go from here

  • Watch the full recording to hear Chris tell the hospital story in his own voice, including the pauses and the laughter that the written account cannot carry.
  • Look into the Seung Sahn lineage and the Cambridge Zen Center, the place where Kwan Haeng Sunim first met his teacher in 1986.
  • Consider the question the talk raises: who in your own life gave you a seat at the table when you needed one, and whether you have ever said so to them.
  • If you sit regularly, try chanting for someone who is struggling, with the intention Chris described: practice that harmonizes you with others and sends out a positive energy into the world.
  • Check Providence Zen Center's own schedule for upcoming dharma talks and sangha events.

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[0:16] Good morning.

[0:26] [laughter]

[0:28] >> Nice to meet you.

[0:30] >> [laughter]

[0:55] >> expensive.

[0:58] >> Come through the bed station. my

[1:00] grandson.

[1:19] >> CCRI

[1:22] making videos.

[1:33] a lot of new things.

[1:45] >> Oh, you're doing

[1:50] pretty good. I got

[2:21] Sometimes

[2:23] >> sometimes. Yeah, I tried it. between

[2:26] working in school working as a fulltime

[2:28] teacher right now and it's just like

[2:31] trying to get this all out.

[2:35] I assume when I get my home

[2:38] regular [clears throat] schedule.

[3:03] >> So I have

[3:06] >> [clears throat]

[3:29] >> Well, solid is the company.

[3:34] after school.

[3:36] >> So,

[3:47] that's fine. I'm used to that

[3:54] [clears throat]

[3:57] right now.

[4:05] retired.

[4:06] >> Yeah.

[4:25] to interrupt your conversation.

[4:36] >> Oh, I see. Yeah. So now

[4:53] >> [laughter]

[5:00] >> We all

[5:07] know that

[5:14] [snorts and laughter]

[5:16] there was great

[5:30] only.

[5:55] >> [laughter]

[5:56] >> which is not correct.

[6:00] or at least

[6:32] >> [clears throat]

[6:46] >> All right, cool.

[6:48] >> Check. Check.

[6:53] >> Get this.

[6:55] Got to get the mic on.

[6:59] Go ahead.

[7:00] >> Hi there. Whoa.

[7:02] >> Hi.

[7:05] >> Shall I whisper?

[7:15] >> All right. Well, hello everybody. Thank

[7:18] you for joining us. Thank you for

[7:19] everybody who has appeared on Zoom. Uh

[7:22] we are now going to be all set for our

[7:25] Dharma Talks. Thank you for Chris Goden

[7:27] for agreeing to give the opening talk

[7:30] andwan hanksenine for answering

[7:32] questions. So I'd like to introduce

[7:35] Chris. Uh Chris was born and raised in

[7:37] Lincoln, Rhode Island. He began

[7:39] practicing at the Providence Zen Center

[7:41] in 2016. He took the five precepts in

[7:45] 2018 and became a dharma teacher in

[7:47] 2021.

[7:48] Chris has served in a variety of roles,

[7:51] including as a resident, as director,

[7:53] and currently as a member of the

[7:54] Providence Zen Center board of trustees.

[7:57] His practice continues to inform his

[7:59] approach to daily life, teaching, and

[8:01] community. Outside of his Zen practice,

[8:04] Christopher is an avid artist with a

[8:06] passion for creative expression, and

[8:08] education. In May 2026, he earned his

[8:11] master's of arts in teaching in art

[8:14] education from Rhode Island College. He

[8:17] now teaches three-dimensional art at

[8:19] Lincoln Middle School in his hometown of

[8:21] Lincoln, Rhode Island, where he

[8:23] encourages students to explore

[8:25] creativity, develop their skills, and

[8:27] discover their own forms of expression.

[8:31] And introducing Quanhenim, Jet Popsin

[8:34] met uh Zamas at the Cambridge Zen Center

[8:37] in 1986. He was ordained as a novice

[8:41] monk in 1999 at Chik Chesaw, South

[8:44] Korea. And in 2003 he received Biku

[8:48] precepts at Tongosa in South Korea. He

[8:51] has lived and practiced mainly at Huages

[8:53] Sa and Musangsa in Korea where he

[8:56] performed the jobs of housemaster, media

[8:58] director and headm

[9:01] received Inca in December 2020 and is

[9:04] currently abbot and co-guiding teacher

[9:05] here at the Providence Zen Center. Thank

[9:08] you all for your time. Please at the end

[9:11] uh ask the questions. As Dave always

[9:13] says, please ask your questions.

[9:14] somebody else may be thinking of it. So,

[9:16] so come to the mic and ask. Thank you.

[9:22] >> You know, it's interesting giving, you

[9:24] know, giving a bio. There's so many

[9:25] things I want to add. Uh I am also, uh

[9:30] engaged to a beautiful woman and we're

[9:32] getting married next year, um around

[9:34] this time actually. Uh so I just wanted

[9:37] to add that. Um,

[9:40] but so I was coming up with this Dharma

[9:42] talk and when I was first thinking about

[9:44] a Dharma talk, I wanted some real fancy

[9:47] schmancy like high flutin talk about

[9:50] like art and like the diamond sutra and

[9:55] situations kind of changed and my talk

[9:58] has actually completely changed from

[10:00] that and I want to talk about something

[10:01] a little bit more personal, something

[10:04] more about my everyday life. Well, I

[10:06] hopefully it doesn't happen every day,

[10:08] but I want to preface this talk. Um, and

[10:12] the preface is that when I was a kid,

[10:14] uh, I didn't have much of a father

[10:16] figure in my life. I didn't have my

[10:18] mother was working a lot and, um, I was

[10:21] about 8 years old and I met my best

[10:23] friend, uh, David and we went over to

[10:25] his house and his father like just

[10:29] he just invited me in. He was so

[10:31] gracious and he's like, "Here's some

[10:32] food. here's, you know, here's you want

[10:34] to stay over? Do you want anything? And

[10:38] he was just so welcoming. He made me

[10:39] feel like I belong there. And then, you

[10:41] know, over the years, David, you know,

[10:43] David and I became so close that we

[10:45] started calling each other cousin. And

[10:47] so Bob, so Bob, who is his father, I

[10:50] became uncle Bob. [snorts] And Uncle

[10:53] Bob, um, in many ways, uh,

[10:58] he he became this father figure type

[11:00] guy. And like even when I came to the

[11:03] house, I didn't even have to knock on

[11:04] the door. I just walked in. I was like

[11:05] full Kramer. Oh, what's up? What's going

[11:07] on? And um so I was always like part of

[11:13] that.

[11:15] Uh and he always he he was a man who

[11:19] helps his family, cares about the people

[11:21] he loves, always being generous.

[11:25] Now saying that, I'm he's not he's not

[11:28] perfect like all of us. like all of us,

[11:30] we're not perfect, you know, he's got

[11:31] his hang-ups, he's got his uh vices,

[11:34] he's got, you know, his different

[11:36] things, but he's always been like

[11:38] helpful to me in my life. Uh I actually

[11:41] kind of owe him my whole life. And when

[11:44] I became more part of the family, there

[11:46] were more relatives. There was Uncle

[11:48] David, not to be confused with cousin

[11:50] David. There's Uncle David and Aunt

[11:52] Lynn, Uncle Bob, and all these people

[11:55] that just helped me in my life. like

[11:57] even uncle David, he's considered my

[11:59] first teacher. He kind of brought me to

[12:01] this practice

[12:03] um and like influenced my life. Uh and

[12:07] so I wanted to this preface is because

[12:12] Bob had an accident while I was

[12:15] finishing my student teaching in back in

[12:18] March. Bob actually hit his head while

[12:22] trying to ride his motorcycle. He just

[12:24] the motorcycle just fell right over. He

[12:26] slid, dumped his head, and he died. He

[12:30] died and someone resuscitated him. We

[12:31] were so lucky someone resuscitated him.

[12:36] And I remember that night I was, you

[12:38] know, with my fiance and his daughter

[12:41] Sarah calls. She's crying. She's just

[12:43] absolutely

[12:44] distraught and she's like trying to get

[12:46] the words out that, you know, there was

[12:47] an accident and Bob is in the hospital.

[12:53] And I immediately was just like

[12:57] shocked. It just hit me so hard. And

[13:02] I I was calling the whole family. I was

[13:03] calling I was trying to help this and do

[13:05] this and organize that and trying to get

[13:07] everyone together and cuz that's just my

[13:11] habit. [laughter]

[13:14] But

[13:16] yeah, Bob was not doing good. And

[13:21] I remember going to the hospital a few

[13:23] days later. Um, I met with his wife,

[13:26] Sandra, and I just

[13:30] [panting]

[13:30] [sighs and gasps]

[13:38] Yeah, Bob was in I walked in and I was I

[13:40] was walking in. And I'm just conle

[13:42] bustle concept bustle con trying to like

[13:48] really steady myself and and give good

[13:51] energy to him. But when I walked in, he

[13:53] was completely unconscious. He had

[13:57] when he hit his head, he had both a

[13:59] traumatic brain injury front and back.

[14:02] He had part of his skull fractured. He

[14:05] has spinal fracture,

[14:08] broken tibia, and he was he was in rough

[14:11] shape. He was not doing good.

[14:14] Um,

[14:16] and I just I just kept chanting for him,

[14:18] and

[14:21] I kept chanting, chanting, chanting, and

[14:23] I was like, "Okay, there there's got to

[14:25] be

[14:27] I there's there's more to this." And I

[14:30] wanted to help more. And I and the

[14:32] interesting thing about chanting, if

[14:34] those who are new, chanting is a

[14:36] practice that we do to harmonize with

[14:37] ourselves and others, but also put out

[14:40] an energy into the world, you know, a

[14:43] positive energy that can help people.

[14:47] And so I thought, you know, I'm not

[14:50] alone there. We're SA. So I, you know,

[14:53] contacted the greater SA and hopefully

[14:56] and in hopes that people would chant for

[14:58] Bob.

[15:00] Um,

[15:02] and I remember

[15:05] I was there and I was just holding his

[15:06] hand, chanting, chanting, chanting and

[15:09] just hoping something would happen. He

[15:10] was just non-responsive. He was he was

[15:13] conscious like he had conscious, you

[15:16] know, everything was kind of good. Well,

[15:18] not good, but it was stable. And I

[15:21] remember holding his hand and just

[15:23] chanting conosal conosal conalle.

[15:28] And

[15:30] as we, you know, as I put out that

[15:34] chanting request the next day, you know,

[15:37] I got so many

[15:40] responses back. The SA really took care

[15:42] of the situation. I got so many emails

[15:44] from people who didn't know him, people

[15:47] who might have, you know, heard his name

[15:48] because I talk about him a lot. Um,

[15:52] people who just like had this not for me

[15:56] energy. It was like for you. This this

[15:59] going out and this energy coming out for

[16:02] Bob and

[16:06] and I I just remember I just knew like

[16:08] in my gut I knew this was the right

[16:10] thing to do. My gut I completely

[16:12] believed in just taking this path and

[16:15] doing this thing 100%. And everyone else

[16:19] would help out and everything would fall

[16:21] in line. the I had a complete just

[16:24] belief in that and it didn't waver. So

[16:28] weeks went by, weeks and weeks and weeks

[16:30] and he was, you know,

[16:33] but stable, stable, stable, and a few

[16:36] weeks go by and then all of a sudden,

[16:39] you know, his legs start to twitch, his

[16:41] arm starts to twitch, he starts doing

[16:43] this, and he's

[16:45] he's being more conscious. He he's he's

[16:48] completely on meds and he's not he's a

[16:50] little bonkers. But I remember him

[16:53] seeing me the first time and he just was

[16:56] eyes open and he was like, "Oh man, like

[16:58] you're here. You're here and and like my

[17:01] family's here. My my daughter's here. My

[17:03] wife's here. My son's here. My brother's

[17:05] here. My other my sister's here.

[17:07] Everyone's here." And

[17:11] but we [laughter]

[17:12] his wife asked him, "How are you doing?"

[17:14] And he's in his tubes. cuz he's had a

[17:16] TRA getting his tubes and all this. And

[17:18] I remember him kind of like trying to

[17:20] open the TRA and go and went, you know,

[17:22] a

[17:24] Like he had just realized he had woken

[17:26] up from a horrible accident and he had

[17:29] put everyone kind of, you know,

[17:33] on edge, you know, he made everyone

[17:34] worry about him. He was not the kind of

[17:36] person to make someone worry. He he

[17:39] helped everyone and he he just, you

[17:42] know, that's what he did. So,

[17:47] but days went after those weeks, days

[17:49] went by and things started to change

[17:53] like really changed like his fractures

[17:55] in his spine started healing. He had

[17:58] full motor control. He had hands all

[18:01] this they he tried to pull the the tra

[18:04] you know the the tubes out of his mouth

[18:07] cuz he was like I don't know what's

[18:09] going on trying to pull these tubes out

[18:10] but he had a fight in him and he started

[18:14] moving he started healing he started

[18:19] it just a miracle a a a really

[18:23] interesting miracle happened and that he

[18:26] healed he and he spent

[18:30] uh I want to say a good three months in

[18:33] the hospital just healing. But every

[18:36] every day he was like he was listening

[18:38] to music and he was talking about this,

[18:41] talking about that and he was getting

[18:43] stronger

[18:44] and

[18:48] that was a really it was a really

[18:51] powerful thing to kind of see this this

[18:53] chanting this practice

[18:56] actually change something because if

[18:59] because chanting slowly slowly can

[19:02] change things I in in one way or another

[19:05] it changes things. It it really brings

[19:08] about you know this energy that changes

[19:12] and transforms

[19:14] no matter you know what way either it

[19:16] changes and transforms you or it can

[19:18] change and transform someone else's

[19:20] life. Um,

[19:26] so yeah, about 2 or 3 months goes by and

[19:29] he's getting better and you know, he was

[19:30] in rehab

[19:35] and you know, when he was in in rehab,

[19:38] he he was in rehab for a few days and he

[19:40] just had like a leg brace and he was

[19:42] sitting up and he was moving and he

[19:46] heard he got he heard from, you know,

[19:49] his wife that I had sent out this

[19:51] chanting request and so many people

[19:52] emailed back and chanting and he even to

[19:54] this day he he wants to say to everyone

[19:56] to Zen Center like you know he's like

[19:59] thank the boys and everyone else at the

[20:01] Zen Center for praying for me you know

[20:04] he goes I wouldn't have made it out

[20:06] without this and he had he had a deep

[20:10] experience while he was out he he was

[20:12] talking to me about it he was he said um

[20:15] interesting enough that he was

[20:19] he remembered traveling ing in this

[20:22] bleak darkness.

[20:24] And from there he was looking for his

[20:27] wife. He was looking for his wife. He

[20:29] was really really

[20:31] trying to figure out what was going. He

[20:32] was so confused. And some people he said

[20:35] some people trying to bring him back and

[20:36] some people were trying to bring him

[20:38] other places and he couldn't. He just

[20:40] stayed put. He's like I've got to stay

[20:42] put until my wife appears.

[20:44] and

[20:46] you know he woke up and he said that

[20:49] there was something something

[20:52] told him to stay put and that he would

[20:54] make it through it and I don't know what

[20:57] that was but

[21:00] um it was

[21:04] it was a powerful experience for him

[21:07] and

[21:10] Bob it's interesting Bob is someone in

[21:13] my life I always go to. And if I think

[21:17] not that long ago,

[21:20] you know,

[21:22] Bob came to me

[21:25] and he said, "Now, I want to get I want

[21:27] to get this right because I don't want

[21:28] to misquote him." Um,

[21:33] he said, "Chris, I have quite a conflict

[21:35] in my mind

[21:37] on what to do with this gift I've been

[21:39] given."

[21:43] And as soon as he sent that text to me,

[21:45] uh, right immediately he sent back, "Oh,

[21:47] you remember Jesus is king." So he's a

[21:49] very Catholic man, uh, Christian man.

[21:53] And my mind kicked in immediately. Like

[21:55] this don't know mind, this this before

[21:57] thing, putting down all my opinions

[21:59] about what that meant of the text or

[22:02] what my hang-up is on that or whatever

[22:04] just was completely cut off. And I just

[22:07] went, you know, you know, man, like do

[22:11] as Jesus did. Go out and help people,

[22:13] like especially those closest to you.

[22:17] And like start with your grandchild.

[22:20] And he's he's a great grandchild. EMTT.

[22:22] EMTT's amazing. He's 5 years old. He

[22:24] calls him Grand Bob. Uh yeah, he's he's

[22:27] absolutely adorable. He's he's his

[22:29] daughter's child. And and Sarah's a

[22:32] great mother. Um,

[22:36] and I remember like that don't know

[22:39] mind.

[22:41] It's our true nature. It's it's it comes

[22:44] naturally. It's something beyond this

[22:46] whole situation of life and death. It's

[22:50] never born, never dies. It's just always

[22:53] there. But it's hard to grasp. It's you

[22:55] need practice to kind of come back to it

[22:59] and just come back to what we're doing.

[23:01] And that true nature appears

[23:03] automatically. So at the end of the

[23:05] conversation, he said, "Chris, I love

[23:07] you. Always stay golden." And that was a

[23:10] very interesting thing because my mind

[23:12] went

[23:14] Yeah. stay golden. And that just meant

[23:17] stay awake, stay present. You know, the

[23:22] Buddha is, you know, we call we he's

[23:24] gold here, but that is that's just the a

[23:26] symbol of his enlightenment, his symbol

[23:28] of just waking up to this everyday life

[23:30] and just doing what needs to be done

[23:32] that's in front of him, helping people,

[23:35] giving them, you know, the medicine that

[23:37] they needed or, you know, the mental

[23:40] medicine that they needed. You know,

[23:41] that that those conflicts in their mind,

[23:44] especially like the one that Bob had.

[23:47] So, not saying that I'm the Buddha, but

[23:50] I'm I am saying

[23:52] that in that moment it was very clear

[23:55] what I had to do.

[23:58] Um,

[24:00] and I'd like to talk about like all

[24:02] traditions kind of have this before

[24:04] thinking

[24:07] this true nature like some Catholics

[24:09] call it like the kingdom of God or uh

[24:13] Meister Echart I think he called it the

[24:14] spark of the soul, right?

[24:16] Yeah. And uh all the traditions call it

[24:20] we you know we call it true nature we

[24:22] call it all this but all pointing to the

[24:24] same thing

[24:27] and when we access that we can help

[24:31] others

[24:32] and we can just give them what's true to

[24:36] our experience and our true innate

[24:39] wisdom.

[24:43] Um

[24:45] before I end uh this kind of speech, uh

[24:50] Bob Bob is Bob is also very strong

[24:53] person. Uh I actually talked to him a

[24:56] while ago. He was in his wheelchair. He

[24:59] he's rolling his wheelchair. He's doing

[25:00] great now. He's he's he's mobile, but he

[25:02] was in his wheelchair at the time, and

[25:05] he told me that he was fixing up his uh

[25:07] barracuda for his grandson, and that's

[25:09] what he could do. He's He's in his

[25:12] wheelchair trying to take off this

[25:13] windshield. He's on He's hanging off of

[25:16] his wheelchair trying to get this

[25:19] windshield off to replace it so that he

[25:21] can get it ready for his grandchild.

[25:24] He's only five right now.

[25:26] But he's just like, I'm going to get

[25:29] this right in 10 years. This is going to

[25:31] be the most perfect car and I'm going to

[25:32] give it to when he turns 16 and he's

[25:34] going to drive it off to high school and

[25:36] he's going to have a great time. And

[25:38] that was that was his, you know, big,

[25:41] you know, uh,

[25:44] epiphany, I guess you could say, from

[25:46] our talk. Um, and

[25:52] you know,

[25:55] like I said, they're they're family to

[25:57] me. All of them are are family to me.

[25:59] And I would and I I I tend to give

[26:02] advice when I can, when they ask for it.

[26:04] Sometimes when they don't ask for it,

[26:06] I'm always opinionated. Um but

[26:11] um they've always helped me. They've

[26:13] always it's always been this one hand

[26:16] washes the other type of mentality that

[26:19] we have. And

[26:24] it's just a beautiful beautiful thing.

[26:27] And I I really encourage everyone in

[26:28] your everyday life, just put down your

[26:32] opinion, your condition, your situation

[26:34] when you're meeting someone and just

[26:38] straight help them. Just straight on

[26:41] just just do the thing. Just do it. And

[26:46] everything becomes very clear. The

[26:47] situation, the relationship, the

[26:49] function, all becomes very clear.

[26:54] So in the words of Bob

[26:58] I hope everyone here stays golden

[27:01] and

[27:03] and you come every Sunday. Keep coming.

[27:05] Keep coming back here. Keep practicing.

[27:07] Keep coming back to your true nature.

[27:10] Returning to that and al together let's

[27:12] try and help people.

[27:16] Um, I guess the last thing I'll probably

[27:19] say is, uh, before we end this,

[27:23] um, Bob, like I said, Bob is doing very

[27:26] well today. Uh, I really hope he sees

[27:28] this talk because he does mean a lot to

[27:30] me and the rest of the family. All the

[27:32] shiftlets and the lemmuse uh, mean a lot

[27:35] to me and they are some of the most

[27:38] important people in my life. Uh, so

[27:41] helping them is is the same as helping

[27:43] myself in in my eyes. And whatever

[27:48] wherever they're at, wherever their mind

[27:49] is at, I'm just going to meet it. So,

[27:54] um,

[27:57] yeah, thank you. Stay golden.

[28:02] >> Thank you, Chris.

[28:03] >> Yeah,

[28:03] >> I enjoyed that.

[28:06] >> Does someone have some question?

[28:11] >> [clears throat]

[28:13] >> Hold on.

[28:21] >> Oh yeah, go ahead.

[28:27] >> Can you [snorts] explain what does that

[28:29] mean and um how we use chanting in our

[28:33] tradition?

[28:37] >> Means uh

[28:38] is uh

[28:41] uh my name is uh Quan Hang. So that's uh

[28:44] perceived action. Quantum Bosa is

[28:47] perceived the sound of the uh of the

[28:50] universe, the the the people that are uh

[28:54] hurting and stuff like that. And so it's

[28:56] very interesting. Quantum Bosa appears

[28:58] as a uh I guess you could say sometimes

[29:01] you see with a mustache or she's got a

[29:03] mustache and and um uh sometimes she has

[29:07] a child kind of interesting. So there

[29:10] there's there's no um male female thing

[29:13] uh connected with that but it is all

[29:15] about compassion and uh so that's

[29:19] interesting thing is that uh Chris is

[29:21] talking about how he did quantum bossa

[29:24] konosa and that helped uh uh Bob the his

[29:28] somebody that he uh really felt for but

[29:30] you know you don't you don't want to get

[29:32] too um uh zeni you might say too zeny

[29:36] about that because I have no doubt that

[29:39] his whole family was also praying for

[29:41] him in a Catholic sense and in a

[29:43] Christian sense and all of that and and

[29:46] um if you want to say that that quantum

[29:48] bossa helped him but also then that that

[29:50] also that that helped him too. So when

[29:54] we practice kanbosa when we say kwan

[29:57] bosa here there's two ways you could do

[29:59] that. You could say um uh kamosa kobosa

[30:02] kwosa that's what we chant. So when we

[30:05] chant, we do a a a part that begins with

[30:08] that and then we hit this quant. We can

[30:11] do that for like an hour, we can do for

[30:12] 10 minutes, five minutes. But basically

[30:14] what it is is that when we do that, we

[30:17] want to have in mind the people that

[30:19] we're what that we're uh meaning to

[30:21] help. It could be anywhere from your

[30:24] your family members to uh uh to the

[30:28] Ukrainians to the Palestinians to um to

[30:32] whoever. uh and so um and to the uh

[30:36] folks here in the US and uh that are uh

[30:39] homeless and so you could have that in

[30:41] your mind while you're saying quantosa

[30:43] quanosa or you could do it completely

[30:45] differently and say simply 100% quanbosa

[30:49] quanosa and only in only that which is

[30:52] bringing you just to this moment and uh

[30:55] so uh kind of like that

[30:59] but it's important also that we see is

[31:02] that and and I I kind of uh I know it

[31:06] sounds kind of funny to say to Zeni is

[31:08] because yes he's that all the religions

[31:12] uh uh come together in a spiritual sense

[31:16] because why? Because we don't have a

[31:18] different spiritual self. See, I mean uh

[31:22] if we had a different spiritual self,

[31:24] things would be really weird. Not that

[31:26] they're not, [laughter]

[31:28] but um so in all ethnicities, all

[31:31] nationalities, all of us have experience

[31:34] or um any ethnicity or or a group of

[31:38] people or or a country or whatever

[31:41] that's been around any length of time

[31:43] explores the spiritual self. So it's

[31:46] very important that we don't walk

[31:48] around, oh, it's my spiritual self that

[31:50] counts around here. Nothing else counts.

[31:52] that doesn't work [laughter]

[31:54] as you can see that that's ridiculous.

[31:57] Um but however uh with the things the

[32:00] way that things are going in this world

[32:01] it seems to me that the spiritual self

[32:04] that we all have needs to come up and

[32:07] and and uh and express itself and and

[32:11] kind of heal the world. Otherwise it's

[32:13] not going to work because it's not going

[32:14] to work with our thinking minds. Our

[32:16] thinking minds are tied to our our

[32:18] desire mind, which is uh food, uh sex,

[32:22] uh uh money, power, and sleep. Sleep

[32:26] being one of we all love our sleep. Um

[32:29] [laughter]

[32:30] and and so um that's what our thinking

[32:33] mind hooks up to and and goes in that

[32:36] direction for that. uh but I our

[32:38] spiritual self is in if we connect with

[32:41] our spiritual self we can see that

[32:44] connection with the universe and with

[32:46] everybody else. So I I I want to kind of

[32:49] emphasize that. So then how can I help?

[32:52] How can I help? It means how can I help

[32:54] my as Chris is saying first the your

[32:57] family your grandson your your your uh

[33:00] son your daughter uh your wife and then

[33:03] from there how can I help my uh

[33:06] community or the people at my job and

[33:08] then from there how can I help the the

[33:11] community and if and it reaches out

[33:12] further kind of like that but um so uh

[33:17] sentient beings are numberless uh I um

[33:21] vowed to save them all means how can I

[33:24] help my my my mother? How can I help my

[33:27] brother? You know, that's that's where

[33:30] that that's how that expresses. Um, I

[33:34] always like to talk about his master at

[33:35] Tong where he says he would go to uh he

[33:38] was at a children's hospital which

[33:40] actually has a a really good uh uh

[33:44] cancer uh place where they help work uh

[33:46] people with cancer and he had a very

[33:48] strong kind of uh uh cancer which was

[33:51] like a leukemia. And there he went to uh

[33:54] uh to get that worked on and he did. He

[33:58] overcame his his illness. But also there

[34:00] was a sign that was up in a children's

[34:02] hospital until and it said until every

[34:05] child is saved, which is really uh uh

[34:08] the same thing as uh you know uh we vow

[34:12] to save all sensient beings. It's how we

[34:14] vow to heal all children is what the

[34:16] sign said in children's hospital.

[34:18] Because when you do that and when you

[34:20] say that then all the human beings all

[34:23] the employees of children's hospital can

[34:26] help that means the janitor and the and

[34:29] the person in the cafeteria all of them

[34:31] could work to that goal of helping not

[34:33] just the ones who uh actually uh uh work

[34:37] directly with the children. So that's a

[34:39] kind of interesting point. Um, and

[34:42] that's how a a spiritual spirituality

[34:45] I I would think would um would express

[34:49] itself.

[34:51] Does that answer your question about

[34:52] consos?

[34:59] >> I have a question for Chris. Um, you

[35:02] don't have [clears throat] to answer if

[35:03] you don't want to. Um, but it sounds

[35:06] like you're from a very strong Catholic

[35:08] background. This family that you're

[35:10] involved with,

[35:11] >> um, has a very strong Catholic

[35:13] background. But you mentioned, um, Uncle

[35:17] David who brought you helped bring you

[35:19] to practice. And I wonder if you could

[35:22] say something a little bit about how you

[35:24] came to practice.

[35:26] And then um I'd like to also ask the

[35:29] same question of um

[35:31] >> uh of the Zen teacher too of the Zen

[35:35] master.

[35:36] >> Sure. Uh it's interesting how I I first

[35:39] came to practice. So Uncle Dave, it was

[35:42] not only um my

[35:47] first kind of intro to Zen. He was my

[35:49] martial arts teacher.

[35:50] >> Could you aim that camera at him?

[35:53] >> Oh, you got the camera aimed at him.

[35:55] Okay, go ahead. So, so, uh, Uncle David

[35:58] was also my first martial arts teacher.

[36:00] And

[36:02] there was an interesting moment where he

[36:06] likes he likes kungans. He likes

[36:08] Kongans. And he he gripped me into this

[36:11] lock much like this. And he goes, "If

[36:14] you have a stick, I'll give it to you.

[36:16] You have no stick, I'll take it away."

[36:18] And I was very confused by that. And he

[36:19] threw me

[36:21] just like in the air. Boom. And I

[36:23] remember rolling getting up and I was

[36:27] very clear. I was like my head was just

[36:32] very clear about like what I was doing.

[36:35] I was just rolling and I was very

[36:37] interested in this mind. And he goes,

[36:39] "You should keep that mind."

[36:41] And I was like, "Oh, okay." And then I

[36:44] had a few other college teachers

[36:47] recommend Zen to me. And through a lot

[36:50] of suffering, I understood the first

[36:53] noble truth and I was like, "Oh, this is

[36:55] the real deal." So, I went looking and I

[36:58] went to a few places. They didn't really

[37:01] work out for me. But because I'm a

[37:02] local, I have the great advantage of

[37:05] knowing about this place. So, I tried

[37:07] here and the practice really fit with

[37:09] me. And I remember actually Quan

[37:13] Henstein was uh giving a dharma talk on

[37:15] a Sunday. He was talking about ice

[37:18] cream.

[37:20] And if you know this talk, you know that

[37:23] uh he really likes ice cream. He really

[37:25] likes chocolate ice cream.

[37:27] [clears throat]

[37:27] And one day his little brother ate his

[37:30] chocolate ice cream and he was really

[37:32] mad and he was really stuck on this

[37:35] chocolate ice cream. But if he wasn't

[37:36] and he was really clear with himself, he

[37:38] would know that there was vanilla ice

[37:39] cream in the fridge the whole time and

[37:41] could had that.

[37:43] >> Now, and that stuck with me. that hit me

[37:45] so hard that I stayed. I've stayed for

[37:48] 10 years and I'm not leaving.

[37:52] >> Ice cream, huh?

[37:53] >> Yeah, man. That was it. Yeah, it was it

[37:55] was that simple. Your teaching was very

[37:56] clear, very simple in

[38:00] so uh that's how that started. But Uncle

[38:02] Dave today we even he likes theoretical

[38:06] zen. So we we we talk about kungans and

[38:10] kans and the traditions and what is this

[38:13] mind and what is the hook of the kan and

[38:17] all these other things that I a more

[38:20] experienced teacher could talk about

[38:22] with you. Um but yeah we'll we'll sit

[38:25] there have you know sip tea and just go

[38:29] old style and just and just talk about

[38:31] what is this true nature? What is this

[38:33] Buddha nature? why why are we human

[38:36] beings and why are we here? So I still

[38:38] have this conversation with him every

[38:40] day.

[38:41] Um yeah, so he he's a big part of my

[38:44] life. Thank you.

[38:50] There's a um I often talk about how I

[38:53] became a Buddhist when I started as a

[38:56] Catholic, but there's a different take

[38:57] on that also is that as a Catholic um I

[39:02] really experienced was able to

[39:03] experience this spiritual side this what

[39:06] we call well we call it a spiritual side

[39:08] of of of myself that I never um that

[39:12] I've always been able to find through

[39:14] whatever it is. I mean one time at one

[39:16] point I became an atheist. I didn't

[39:18] believe it anything and um of course

[39:21] that had a lot to do with what was going

[39:23] on with a lot of the problems the church

[39:25] was having but I was able at some point

[39:27] to separate the problems the church was

[39:29] having and the spirituality of of the

[39:33] practice of Catholicism and uh and that

[39:35] happened many years later when I met uh

[39:38] uh uh Catholic people in Korea who were

[39:41] um who were priests actually and they

[39:44] came from another country. So that kind

[39:46] of uh fixed that. But one of the things

[39:48] is that I find very interesting is that

[39:51] um I wonder about people who are not

[39:54] brought up with a spiritual kind of a uh

[39:57] discipline how they become spiritual

[39:59] because there's a lot of people that

[40:00] come here that have not have had had a

[40:03] discipline. Anyways, when I was of

[40:06] course while I was going through my uh

[40:09] difficulties I uh stumbled on to Alan

[40:11] Watson. I think most people here know

[40:13] about Alan Watts and I just listened to

[40:16] a lot of Alan Watts almost. He would

[40:18] come on WBCN every Sunday. So that was

[40:21] kind of like my sermon of the of the

[40:24] week. And I noticed that one day I sat

[40:26] down said, you know, instead of going to

[40:28] church, I'm listening to Alan Watts. So

[40:30] what's changed here? [laughter]

[40:31] So that was kind of interesting. So with

[40:33] that Alan Watson when things became

[40:36] difficult in my life, uh uh uh uh I had

[40:39] a lot of anger and all that other stuff.

[40:41] I naturally turned to uh uh uh Buddhism

[40:46] and uh I just read a lot of it and

[40:48] practiced on my own and while I was

[40:51] practicing I had a a a fairly to me a

[40:56] deep insight and that insight was that

[40:59] um I had a lot of karma a lot of karma a

[41:02] mountain load of karma and it's very

[41:05] interesting because this happened a just

[41:06] like that I saw all that happened but I

[41:09] had this mountain load of karma that was

[41:12] uh created by me. It wasn't made by

[41:15] somebody else. I wasn't going to die and

[41:17] go up there and get into argument with

[41:18] the person that made me because he made

[41:20] me a knucklehead and all that sort of

[41:22] thing. That wasn't going to happen. I

[41:24] was in my position because I was that

[41:27] was my doing. And this doing I had to

[41:31] get out of myself,

[41:34] you know, that wasn't going to somebody

[41:35] else wasn't going to magically come down

[41:38] and and do it for me. And it was and it

[41:40] was going to take more than just wishing

[41:43] and wanting. I had to do something. And

[41:45] that's when really I began uh and of

[41:48] course the experience that I had I was

[41:50] sitting very hard and and and and

[41:53] practicing. So when that happened in

[41:55] that sense of practicing I just headed

[41:58] right for Zen and Buddhism everything. I

[42:00] had all the answers that I needed and

[42:03] the main answer that it had at that time

[42:05] was um yes things was rough. I had a lot

[42:09] of karma, but it was only me that was

[42:11] going to work myself out of it, not

[42:13] somebody else. Uh um and it wasn't

[42:15] nobody else's fault, but mine. So that's

[42:18] kind of like where um that came from.

[42:21] And then later on I experienced a lot of

[42:24] anger because that time in my actual

[42:26] experience of anger was different. And I

[42:28] just think what happened is that when my

[42:30] when I began practicing all this anger

[42:33] that I've been suppressing all my life

[42:35] began to really uh uh uh appear for me

[42:38] and get out of hand. And so um and

[42:42] instead of backing off from practice, I

[42:45] I did, as they say, double down. And I

[42:48] went to Korea and became a to become a

[42:50] monk and just sat there and really

[42:52] looked at this this anger, looked at

[42:55] this stuff that was going on. And I

[42:57] realized that uh once again, it was me,

[43:01] you know, it wasn't somebody else. It

[43:02] wasn't some person up there. and and and

[43:06] um so the people that was making me

[43:07] angry, it isn't that they were making me

[43:09] angry is I decided to be angry um by

[43:14] they I reacted to what they did by

[43:17] deciding to be angry but I didn't have

[43:18] to be angry and so that was very kind of

[43:22] interesting point. So then uh a lot of

[43:25] stuff a lot with that practicing with

[43:26] that sitting down and just letting uh uh

[43:30] this mind appear okay this anger appear

[43:34] but don't hold on to it and don't push

[43:35] it away just come just look at it and

[43:37] see um and then let it pass and then it

[43:40] came back again and let it pass and as

[43:42] that happened the the the hold that the

[43:45] anger had on me let go it everybody sees

[43:49] me now I don't have that that kind of

[43:52] anger where um yeah that's that's that's

[43:55] not it's just not present. So um yeah

[43:59] that that's how that that happened. Um

[44:03] and I was talking with Zen master Sunung

[44:06] gave a a a talk and and he was also

[44:08] there's that side there's that side

[44:10] where it's just looking inside and and

[44:13] and helping yourself but when you look

[44:15] inside and help yourself and work with

[44:18] that you work with it in a sense it's

[44:20] it's really kind of important because

[44:22] it's hard to make that jump. You work

[44:24] with it in the sense that you see that

[44:26] you are connected to everybody else. you

[44:30] know, you're connected. There's a

[44:31] connection that you have with everybody

[44:33] else. And it's not uh so this side, yes,

[44:36] I'm um I have all this anger, but then

[44:39] you begin to see that that anger is

[44:41] something that's uh that actually

[44:44] doesn't exist

[44:46] outside of your thinking. That's really

[44:48] interesting. It doesn't exist outside of

[44:50] your thinking. And then uh but there's

[44:53] something else that exists in this this

[44:55] connection that we have with all of us.

[44:58] And how do we uh use that connection?

[45:01] How do we express that connection? It's

[45:03] not by going around saying that oh my

[45:05] way is the only way. That's that doesn't

[45:07] work that way. It's how it's how can I

[45:10] help? How can I help? That's very

[45:13] important.

[45:20] >> Uh yeah,

[45:21] >> good morning. Thank you very much for

[45:23] that talk. Um, sure. That was quite

[45:27] >> I'm curious about something that you

[45:30] said about Uncle Bob and after he

[45:34] became conscious again,

[45:36] he said that he someone told him or he

[45:43] just knew that he was supposed to stay

[45:45] put.

[45:46] >> Yeah. Yeah.

[45:48] >> Who or what

[45:50] is telling him to stay put? That is my

[45:53] question for for either one of you. I'm

[45:55] just curious from the you know what is

[45:58] that

[46:02] >> only just that

[46:06] not enough?

[46:08] >> No. [laughter]

[46:11] >> Nope.

[46:16] >> Yeah. [clears throat] So that's um I

[46:19] don't know. So that that that well no it

[46:23] is it's but it's it's very difficult to

[46:25] to point that's your int his intuitive

[46:28] mind his before thinking mind that that

[46:30] that very interesting self I mean I was

[46:34] at at with my sister at one time and we

[46:37] were in this apartment that had stairs

[46:39] that was so stupid but it had stairs and

[46:43] at one point her her her son uh uh we

[46:46] called him Pooh Bear went tumbling down

[46:49] the stairs And it was really weird

[46:51] because I I heard him falling down the

[46:54] stairs and I got really afraid for him.

[46:57] But something else in my mind said he's

[46:59] going to be okay and he was. It was

[47:01] really weird. So where did that come

[47:03] from? Where did that come? That's your

[47:05] intuitive before thinking mind. This

[47:07] universal self. I How do we explain it?

[47:10] You explained that this one pure and

[47:12] clear thing is um uh always was always

[47:16] will be and and um it was before the

[47:19] ancient Buddhist was born but that

[47:21] always was and always will be reminds me

[47:23] the Catholic religion and that's what

[47:25] they say about God. He always was and

[47:27] always will be. So there is something

[47:29] there and and the way that we connect

[47:32] with it is to me is beginning to this

[47:35] this spiritual self this before thinking

[47:37] self that all people have and it's not

[47:41] uh so uh this religion uh depends on it

[47:44] but it's not dependent on religion so

[47:48] you don't have to be a religious person

[47:50] to do that but I think what happens that

[47:52] if you really uh uh practice the

[47:55] religion that you're doing correctly you

[47:57] can come in contact with it because it

[47:59] has a form and it has technique for you

[48:01] to do it and to do it in your regular

[48:04] life. Um uh you can be really like a

[48:07] borrow and and and everybody knows

[48:09] people that are like that that are not

[48:11] religious that uh uh connect with this

[48:14] uh uh

[48:16] this human self that with with each

[48:19] other. And so those are those are the

[48:21] only ways that you could could look at

[48:23] it.

[48:26] And I don't have another way. But I can

[48:29] tell you something else that Zen master

[48:30] debunks said and Mrs. has to do then you

[48:33] have to kind of like believe in

[48:35] reincarnation. But he says that uh you

[48:38] are born in a certain country because

[48:39] you have uh uh some karma with that

[48:42] country. So I'm born American because I

[48:44] have some American karma. Somebody's

[48:46] born Korean because they have some

[48:47] Korean karma. And it's all mixed up. If

[48:50] you try to think about it why you are

[48:52] born in a certain place then that has to

[48:55] be um uh then it will drive you crazy

[48:58] but also you're born in a certain family

[49:01] because you're you have a karma with

[49:03] that family. So then he says that what

[49:06] there is is that there's a kind of a a

[49:08] consciousness

[49:10] a consciousness that um that that uh so

[49:14] that me so when I uh left my family and

[49:19] began practicing things in my family

[49:21] really improved why because I mean

[49:24] according to this says is that when I'm

[49:27] practicing I became clear but that

[49:28] energy also spilled over into my my

[49:31] family. So that is is uh so that's no

[49:34] doubt is that when I went to Korea and

[49:36] started practicing that they improved

[49:38] and um so what are you going to say

[49:42] about all this stuff? [laughter]

[49:44] That's that's kind of like how it is.

[49:46] And I it it probably didn't give you no

[49:48] answer, but I believe that in your life

[49:51] in your own life that you've had this

[49:53] intuitive mind, this spiritual spine

[49:56] just come up and give you some answer

[49:58] for some particular thing. You don't

[49:59] know where it came from. It was there.

[50:01] Boom. All human beings have that

[50:03] experience. And so what can you say

[50:06] about that?

[50:09] >> Thank you.

[50:10] >> You're welcome.

[50:14] >> Then um we have time for one more if we

[50:18] have.

[50:22] >> Uh hi, I'm Josh. Uh thank you for your

[50:25] talk. Thank you for sharing such a

[50:27] personal story. I think it's very

[50:29] helpful. Um

[50:31] Chris said something in his talk though

[50:33] that's got me a little um he's given me

[50:35] a question. So I'll present that to you

[50:38] as best I can. He said you know this

[50:41] intuitive nature this before

[50:44] mind is natural

[50:47] and

[50:49] I don't know um

[50:53] it's natural with trying and practice

[50:55] maybe you know try try try and then it

[50:58] becomes you know they kind of your life

[51:00] flips a little bit and that person that

[51:02] takes care of everything takes over a

[51:04] little bit maybe but

[51:06] um seems like the natural thing is just

[51:09] to kind of follow my desires sometimes.

[51:12] [laughter] Like we could go to the

[51:13] casino and have some drinks and play the

[51:15] roulette table and like smoke a doge,

[51:18] you know, feel good. What are we doing?

[51:20] >> Crack that person across the head that

[51:22] makes you mad.

[51:23] >> Yeah. [laughter]

[51:24] >> So, I don't I don't know. It it it

[51:27] almost doesn't feel natural. Um but we

[51:30] discover it and we try it and then it

[51:33] sort of becomes our nature.

[51:35] >> Yeah.

[51:35] >> So, can can you speak to that? Is that

[51:37] just that I mean it's my experience but

[51:39] I'm wondering what it's like for you.

[51:40] >> I don't know. You can talk about that in

[51:42] so many ways in a in a spiritual way but

[51:45] in a political way in a social way. It's

[51:47] all has to do with like our society how

[51:50] we have but there have been societies as

[51:52] I understand that didn't that don't go

[51:54] the way that our society goes which says

[51:56] if he makes you mad crack him across the

[51:58] head or [laughter]

[52:00] a capitalist society that says oh money

[52:03] rules. I I don't. So, uh, if you look at

[52:06] the history and all of that, it's not

[52:08] how we human beings always were. But

[52:10] yeah, I I see what you're saying. And

[52:13] the only way that I could point out is

[52:15] that there's this there's we have this

[52:17] body and his body wants to survive. So

[52:20] there's that part of it. But this um uh

[52:23] thing that we that Chris was pointing

[52:25] out before thinking and everything every

[52:28] human being has it all even all animals

[52:30] have this this this uh uh this self this

[52:35] this before thinking this one pure and

[52:38] clear thing. It's and so it's natural in

[52:41] the that sense that we all have it. But

[52:44] do we all act out it? No. Do we all uh

[52:47] it's it's yeah and so that's what the

[52:50] whole thing about practicing in

[52:52] spirituality is is to uncover um this

[52:56] spiritual self

[52:58] that's that's all and I maybe to me

[53:02] that's the purpose of humanity is to

[53:04] connect with that that spiritual self

[53:07] and somehow overcome this whole mess

[53:09] that we've created. I don't see any

[53:12] other reason for I personally don't see

[53:15] any other reason for existence

[53:18] outside of that is to overcome this all

[53:20] of this u all of these issues and all of

[53:23] these problems with this thing that we

[53:26] have that we all have that is totally

[53:28] natural but because it's natural doesn't

[53:31] mean that it's dominant and that it's

[53:33] the that we all act out of it. So,

[53:40] okay.

[53:44] >> All right, everybody. Well, thank you

[53:45] for joining us today. Thank you, Chris,

[53:47] for your talk and Sean for your wise

[53:49] answers.

[53:51] So, a few announcements. Uh, we talked

[53:53] about Quanosel. I will let you know next

[53:56] Saturday we are going to have a keto

[53:58] retreat here. And during that retreat,

[54:01] it will be led by Matt Keeler, Jet

[54:03] Popsin, and we're going to chantwan

[54:06] Sambos for the day. So, uh, we'll do a

[54:09] little sitting, but we'll mostly do

[54:10] chanting. So, come and join us. Uh, a

[54:13] few other announcements. Let's see. We

[54:16] have a two-day YMJ the following week,

[54:19] November uh, 7th and 8th, with Quan

[54:21] Henson. You can sit both or only one of

[54:25] those days as you'd like. Uh we have a

[54:28] Christian Buddhist retreat coming up

[54:30] November 21st. That'll be a one-day

[54:33] retreat led by Zam Master Tangong. And

[54:36] then we have our 7-day YMJJ

[54:39] uh first week of December starting

[54:42] December 5th that will be led by our

[54:44] schools Zen Master uh Zen Master Seyong

[54:48] uh Bobby Rhodess. And you can sit as few

[54:51] as three days or as many as the whole

[54:53] week. Also on December 5th, we will be

[54:56] having a foundations of Zen workshop. So

[54:59] if you want to come in and learn a

[55:01] little bit more about the history of

[55:02] Buddhism, the history of our lineage

[55:05] specifically and some other fun facts,

[55:08] come and join us. That will be led by

[55:10] Zam Master Tangong Kuang Henim and uh

[55:13] many of our senior dharma teachers here.

[55:16] Uh today we will have the gift shop

[55:18] open. We will also have snacks outside.

[55:20] Uh two other things uh as we say uh the

[55:26] dharma is free but um internet and uh

[55:30] electricity is not. So if you are so

[55:34] inclined please feel free to give us a

[55:36] donation in the donation box. And

[55:38] another way to support us is also

[55:40] membership. With membership you uh get

[55:43] to have access to the PCC retreats at a

[55:46] membership rate as well as one free

[55:48] guest stay per month. So, and then

[55:50] additionally, we have right here right

[55:52] now, which is our writing group that

[55:56] meets uh one monthly on the fourth

[55:58] Sunday of the month led by Eva. We're

[56:00] going to be meeting today in the pagod.

[56:02] So, if anybody brought your pen and

[56:04] paper, feel free to join Eva. Um

[56:07] >> 1210 people are always late.

[56:10] >> Okay. 1210.

[56:12] All right, everybody.

[56:18] >> [laughter]

[56:21] >> All right, everybody. Well, thank you.

[56:23] Have a good day.

[56:35] Yeah.

[57:12] You want a little

[57:42] Nice to see you.

[57:57] Sure,

[58:10] I'll get

[58:10] >> it.

[58:23] Tonight,

[58:29] Friday.

[58:59] I love

[59:07] Yes.

[59:23] Take this way.

[59:25] >> And bring that chair back and we're

[59:27] done.

[59:30] Share.

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In this talk, Chris describes chanting as a practice for harmonizing with yourself and others while sending a positive energy into the world. He chanted at his uncle's bedside while holding his hand, and he asked the wider sangha to chant for him too.
Kwan Haeng Sunim met Zen Master Seung Sahn at the Cambridge Zen Center in 1986 and later practiced mainly at Hwa Gye Sa and Mu Sang Sa in Korea. He received inka in December 2020 and is abbot and co-guiding teacher at Providence Zen Center in Rhode Island.
Inka is a formal recognition of a Zen teacher's authorization to teach. Kwan Haeng Sunim received inka in December 2020, according to the event description for this talk.
Chris, a dharma teacher, described how his close family friend Bob hit his head when his motorcycle fell over, leaving him unconscious with serious injuries. Chris visited him in the hospital, chanted at his bedside, and asked the wider sangha to chant for him.
In this talk, a sangha responded to a single request with many emails and prayers, including from people who had never met the injured man. The example shows how a community can carry a practice together, even without personal ties to the person in need.
The material only says that Kwan Haeng Sunim met Zen Master Seung Sahn at the Cambridge Zen Center in 1986 and that he now teaches at Providence Zen Center. It does not state Seung Sahn's direct involvement with Providence.

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