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[0:00] Before the age of six, we were all ADHD.
[0:03] Some of these people how they see the
[0:05] world. Let's say you're driving a car
[0:06] and I put some mud on your windscreen.
[0:08] Okay, it's all hazy. Okay, and there are
[0:11] two tiny holes through which you are
[0:12] navigating the traffic. But a
[0:14] hyperactive fellow will be picked up.
[0:17] >> Okay,
[0:17] >> so he's creating a nuisance.
[0:18] >> He's creating a nuisance. So, and
[0:20] historically worldwide, it is the
[0:22] hyperactive people who are actually
[0:26] treated because they create a problem.
[0:29] But those people who have got
[0:32] inattentive type, these are the people
[0:35] who start feeling that I'm not good.
[0:39] >> Some people also self diagnose
[0:41] themselves that I've got ADHD. I'm sorry
[0:43] I couldn't complete that because my ADHD
[0:45] kicked in common.
[0:49] I will not buy into it. It is something
[0:51] like you are trying to become a
[0:53] psychiatrist.
[0:55] >> Okay. But it takes 15 years to create
[0:57] one of me. You know
[0:59] >> a pill is not going to fix difficult
[1:02] boss or a difficult partner.
[1:04] >> So true.
[1:04] >> We can hire people to enjoy our
[1:07] pleasure. But even if you're a
[1:09] millionaire or a billionaire, you have
[1:10] to manage your own pain.
[1:22] >> So welcome Sanjib to the studio.
[1:24] >> Thank you. It's uh you are leaving today
[1:27] and you took the time out. We very
[1:28] grateful but topic it is such a
[1:33] important topic these days and we've
[1:35] heard about it. I mean when we were
[1:36] growing up we hadn't even heard about
[1:38] such a thing
[1:39] >> but now ADHD is a very common thing that
[1:42] you keep hearing. So thank you for
[1:44] taking the time out for this uh uh this
[1:47] talk before you fly out to Australia.
[1:50] >> Yes. So I wanted to start with u why we
[1:54] never heard of it before. I'm uh when we
[1:58] were growing up I'm sure when you were
[1:59] growing up also ADHD
[2:03] and it's only lately that it's become
[2:05] very very uh in the news. People are
[2:08] discussing it talking about it. What do
[2:10] you think has led to that?
[2:13] >> Okay. As a disorder it always existed.
[2:16] Okay.
[2:18] uh
[2:19] eyes only see those things which brain
[2:22] thinks.
[2:23] >> So eyes so it doesn't mean that but
[2:26] historically if I take you back I'm sure
[2:30] uh in your school days you would easily
[2:35] vividly be remember one or two guys who
[2:38] were a bit all over the place.
[2:40] >> Sure.
[2:40] >> Okay.
[2:41] >> Sure.
[2:42] And some of them are very smart people
[2:44] and I'm sure if you time track them now
[2:48] you would have seen them they are doing
[2:49] well. Okay. Or they may be out of box
[2:52] thinkers. Okay. So usually
[2:58] now it is more prevalent because
[3:02] certainly our
[3:04] modern society or the ways we are living
[3:07] in
[3:10] has actually propagated some of the
[3:12] disorders exponentially.
[3:16] Let me explain and elaborate it.
[3:22] Those viewers who are listening and have
[3:24] a medical background, okay, will not
[3:26] disagree with me. Particularly who are
[3:29] if they are pediatrician or neonatlogist
[3:32] that first 1,000 days of any
[3:38] child is very very important and that
[3:40] includes the conception period and then
[3:42] followed by uh later part. So I will
[3:46] break it down into various parts and
[3:49] this is not my statement. This is a
[3:50] statement of one of my very uh elite uh
[3:54] integrated pediatrician colleague Dr.
[3:56] Leila Mason. She has written a book. We
[3:59] will share the link of that book for all
[4:01] the viewers.
[4:03] So for any prospective couple
[4:06] who are planning for a pregnancy
[4:09] 6 months prior to the pregnancy it is
[4:11] very important they do a preparation.
[4:14] Okay. So suddenly in heartfulness
[4:16] there's a journey program.
[4:18] >> Yes. Dani. Yes. So I will add on to
[4:20] that. Okay.
[4:22] >> So I will add on to the nutritional
[4:25] layer to that 1,00 days.
[4:27] >> So first 6 months in my personal opinion
[4:32] a complete comprehensive checkup
[4:35] particularly from a nutritional point of
[4:37] view of the both father and mother
[4:40] should be done.
[4:41] >> This is pre- pregnancy.
[4:42] >> Pre-reg
[4:43] >> cuz you want to create a good seeding
[4:46] ground.
[4:47] >> Sure. sperm and om will be the first
[4:50] seed which will create that embryo
[4:51] [clears throat] which is going to grow.
[4:53] So good nutrition is very important for
[4:57] the good healthy o and sperms and you
[5:01] know that
[5:04] fertility rate of today's world has gone
[5:07] down.
[5:08] >> Yes. Yes. It's a growing problem
[5:09] everywhere.
[5:10] >> Yes. One thing is they are getting
[5:11] married late and Taji has been talking
[5:13] about that if you have a childrens at 30
[5:15] or even after that then the chances are
[5:17] your hormonal decline happens and I
[5:19] completely agree with
[5:20] >> absolutely and earlier generations they
[5:22] would be married at 18 21 you know
[5:24] >> so it has its downsides as well early
[5:26] marriage has its own downside so what
[5:28] happens is once you have created that
[5:30] good seeding ground and moment a lady
[5:33] get pregnant okay that's actually if you
[5:37] look at a production line 24/7 7 every
[5:40] millisecond
[5:42] it's a production going on on a conveyor
[5:44] belt. Okay. Now if you look at any
[5:47] production facility
[5:50] you will agree with me that the
[5:52] warehouse should have all the components
[5:54] of the manufacturing process. So we need
[5:56] good proteins, good fats, healthy
[5:59] micronutrients, balance, lack of
[6:01] environmental toxins particularly
[6:04] exposure to the electromagnetic waves
[6:06] which we talked about it last time. Yes.
[6:08] >> Okay. So what happens is that when we
[6:12] have this complete complete uh balance
[6:16] of the nutrients.
[6:18] So I'll elaborate on few points because
[6:21] otherwise it become more technical.
[6:23] Protein requirement
[6:26] of a pregnant lady is 1.5 times of a
[6:30] normal amount.
[6:32] >> Okay.
[6:32] >> Okay. And when you are lactating it is
[6:35] two times. M
[6:38] >> we need to have rainbow color diet.
[6:42] Anything in the packet should be
[6:44] avoided. We talked about it as well.
[6:46] Okay.
[6:47] >> So if you have and seasonal okay so for
[6:52] example if you are eating an apple
[6:55] rotate the apple variety. If you're
[6:56] eating a mango, rotate the mango variety
[6:59] and have a different colors and so all
[7:01] the rainbow colors should be there as a
[7:04] part of the diet so that you are getting
[7:06] all the micronutrients and the protein
[7:07] requirements. If they are a meat eater,
[7:10] they can have eggs and and meat. But if
[7:12] they are vegetarians, there are plenty
[7:14] of vegetarian protein choices which can
[7:17] be available. Now normal protein
[7:19] requirement is on a rough ballpark
[7:21] figure about let's say 1 to 2 g per
[7:25] kilogram body weight. So you can say
[7:27] multiply 1.5 times during pregnancy and
[7:29] then lactation it becomes two times
[7:31] because
[7:33] during the process of the growth
[7:37] you require these nutrients.
[7:40] Think in this way when we are building a
[7:42] house we need a scaffolding. Okay. So
[7:46] scaffolding is provided by a lot of
[7:49] nutrients particularly healthy fats and
[7:51] vitamin D.
[7:53] >> Okay. So vitamin D will dictate the
[7:56] neuron to reach its designated
[7:59] destination.
[8:00] Now when it doesn't reaches that
[8:02] designated destination there are two
[8:04] possibility one non-compatible for
[8:08] continuing pregnancy which will result
[8:09] in a miscarriage
[8:11] >> or if it results in a outcome child may
[8:16] have a neurodedevelopmental delay or if
[8:19] the neurodedevelopmental delay has not
[8:21] happened then they may have some kind of
[8:24] the functioning of the brain
[8:27] which can lead to spectrum disorder. in
[8:31] which autism and ADHD are the outcome.
[8:34] So, and it has been well proven in
[8:36] research
[8:38] >> that people with autism and particularly
[8:41] with ADHD spectrum
[8:43] have got
[8:46] suboptimal functioning of the frontal
[8:48] lobe which is we call it as a
[8:50] windscreen.
[8:51] >> Yes.
[8:51] >> Okay.
[8:51] >> Yes.
[8:52] >> So, some of these people how they see
[8:54] the world. Let's say you're driving a
[8:56] car and I put some mud on your
[8:57] windscreen. Okay. It's all hazy. Okay.
[9:00] And there are two tiny holes through
[9:01] which you are navigating the traffic. So
[9:03] that's where these people look through
[9:05] the so but some of them are very smart.
[9:08] >> So what happens is
[9:11] uh one thing which I often ask in my
[9:14] clinical practice. Okay let's say if you
[9:16] have to learn a concept
[9:20] are you are you a wrote learner or you a
[9:22] visual learner? Okay. A lot of people
[9:26] nowadays are visual learners or more
[9:28] hands-on.
[9:29] >> Correct. Correct. Correct.
[9:30] >> Who is going to read that?
[9:32] >> So true. So true. In fact, just
[9:34] yesterday I was speaking to a young boy
[9:35] who said uh who's studying in uh America
[9:39] and he said I just cannot stand class
[9:41] but I can be outside and learning on my
[9:43] own no problem at all.
[9:44] >> Yes. So if you see lot of alternate
[9:47] school of learning Montasuri.
[9:50] >> Okay. Waldorf Steinus and including if
[9:53] if I say our uh gurul parra you know
[9:56] >> correct [laughter] correct correct
[9:57] >> so you can't say that everything is
[9:58] coming from there we have that where you
[10:00] are problem based learning and other
[10:02] things like that so how things will
[10:04] change okay so this is one of the
[10:07] reasons why that today's world first of
[10:10] all uh pregnancy is accidentally planned
[10:15] dietary habits
[10:16] >> so true
[10:17] >> dietary habits are poor
[10:19] some Some of the nutritional
[10:21] deficiencies are picked up during the
[10:24] process of manufacturing
[10:26] or even ignored
[10:28] >> and as a result of that the final
[10:30] product will have some uh deviencies are
[10:34] there.
[10:34] >> So this is one of the factor which is
[10:37] very important. So this article
[10:38] summarizes very well because even after
[10:41] the birth of a child
[10:44] they are dependent on their mother.
[10:46] >> Yes indeed. So first 6 months very
[10:50] important that they should be breastfed.
[10:53] Okay, it serves two purpose. One is the
[10:57] nutrition. Another one is when through
[11:00] the breast tissue contact you create
[11:03] that social bonding.
[11:05] >> So sucking of the milk is actually
[11:08] releases oxytocin. Okay, which is a
[11:10] basically an hormone which uh prevents
[11:13] social anxiety and other things like
[11:15] that. So that's why nowadays
[11:18] one of the problems which comes up with
[11:20] lot of pe childrens who have got immune
[11:22] problems that they choose not to have
[11:26] regular normal delivery which is a
[11:27] vaginal delivery because when
[11:30] >> we are passing through our mom's vaginal
[11:32] canal
[11:34] those secretions are the first seeding
[11:37] of the healthy bacteria which goes
[11:39] through our oral cavity and it's like a
[11:41] seeding going on. But if you have got a
[11:43] cesarian section, chances are it has its
[11:45] own problem.
[11:46] >> And in this day and age, most people
[11:48] tend to prefer a C-section because
[11:51] >> even the doctor prefers it because it
[11:52] can set a time. The doctor can set a
[11:54] time and uh you know, I remember luckily
[11:58] in small towns still there is a culture
[12:00] of waiting, you know. Uh I remember our
[12:02] personal gynecologist, she just said uh
[12:04] you know because my wife was in pain
[12:06] when she went into labor and I said, you
[12:08] know, I think we should do a C-section.
[12:09] You know it's like things unfortunate
[12:12] nowadays the techniques are
[12:13] >> the doctor just said no way you are you
[12:15] are getting very ants see you go see go
[12:18] to a cinema watch a movie we are not
[12:20] going to do a c-section and I'm so
[12:21] grateful to that doctor you know that
[12:23] she decided to wait and these were the
[12:25] old doctors you had family doctors you
[12:27] had uh people who had you had a personal
[12:29] connection but in the in a modern city
[12:31] it is very difficult kind of
[12:32] >> sure so what happens is let's say
[12:35] because of some of these insults that
[12:37] child is born Okay. Lot of moms uh
[12:42] because it's a it's it's a a process you
[12:45] know you're not produce the child and it
[12:47] will grow by itself. Okay.
[12:49] >> So there are they are taken care by
[12:51] nannies. Okay.
[12:52] >> Correct.
[12:52] >> Okay. Particularly if they are high
[12:54] functioning or they are from working
[12:56] class and then the nutrition is ignored
[12:59] because to prepare a good nutrition
[13:01] balanced food requires efforts. Okay.
[13:04] >> Absolutely. Absolutely.
[13:05] >> No. So this is where baby formulas comes
[13:08] in. This is where the prepackaged food
[13:10] comes in.
[13:11] >> And this is something that wasn't there
[13:13] when we were joint families. When is
[13:14] joint families there were aunts and
[13:16] uncles and so many aunts preparing so
[13:18] many things you know.
[13:18] >> Oh yes.
[13:19] >> Pregnancy piri bant you know and it's
[13:22] like you know and special foods and even
[13:25] after birth they are all taking care of
[13:27] >> Yes. And you know pangiri one of the
[13:30] recipe of pangeri
[13:32] is foxnut or macana.
[13:35] >> Yes. Yes. Yes.
[13:38] >> Well, source of Bihar, I was recently in
[13:40] Patn two weeks back and I was talking
[13:43] about that it is one of the very good
[13:45] protein and the m uh mineral sources.
[13:48] Okay. And when puneri recipe is combined
[13:51] with edible gum which acts like a
[13:54] soluble fiber for our gut herbs acts
[13:58] like a supportive agents to and the ghee
[14:02] in which it is prepared would be feeding
[14:05] those gut microbiome. So there is a
[14:07] reasoning behind every ingredient added
[14:10] into those concussion recipes. Now if I
[14:14] have to in the western world
[14:18] they use the word galactogs.
[14:21] Okay. So galactogs are the mix of
[14:24] herbals which secretes milk.
[14:28] >> Okay. Fennel is one of them which is
[14:30] edwine
[14:32] >> you know
[14:32] >> and it is good for the gut health. So if
[14:34] you have got any upset tummy
[14:36] particularly in the hills I know in
[14:37] Himachel they use in particularly in
[14:40] certain parts of Himachel touali awine
[14:43] and I still like it okay I don't know
[14:45] what is a tuma is a herb which is mixed
[14:47] with a join I took a one spoon
[14:48] everything your indigestion is
[14:50] >> correct correct
[14:51] >> so there was a merit in our ancient
[14:55] wisdom and unfortunately we have lost it
[14:58] or rather we are losing it
[15:00] >> losing it yes
[15:00] >> okay so please embrace it Okay. And this
[15:04] is where now moving fast forward what
[15:07] happens is this child has not been uh
[15:11] raised or manufacturing has not
[15:13] affected. Now what happens is let's say
[15:16] about 6 months 9 months usually
[15:21] and this is happens quite often in
[15:22] western world you want to keep ch child
[15:25] in a perfectly sterile environment. Hm.
[15:28] >> Okay. Lot of wipes.
[15:30] >> Correct.
[15:30] >> Lot of
[15:31] >> disinfect wet wipes and things like that
[15:34] which we've never heard of as kids. But
[15:36] yes,
[15:36] >> there is actually a book eat dirt.
[15:39] [laughter]
[15:39] >> Really?
[15:39] >> Yes. So what happens is
[15:42] >> we need this microexposure
[15:45] of some of these some of the bugs some
[15:49] of the little bit of infection. We call
[15:51] as heatic dose. So what happens is you
[15:53] need that trigger because your immune
[15:55] system is activated and as a result of
[15:57] that some of these childrens who have
[15:59] never been exposed and when they get
[16:01] exposure you get a problem. Now if you
[16:04] move farther fast forward let's say this
[16:06] child becomes 12 months to 18 months too
[16:10] then the gadgets comes in.
[16:11] >> Yeah this is so true.
[16:12] >> Okay. Now these gadgets first is the TV.
[16:15] Okay. And then followed by some of the
[16:18] uh handheld devices. Okay. I know a lot
[16:21] of uh modern couples who feed their uh
[16:24] infants by putting an iPad in front. So
[16:26] the kid is distracted and they are
[16:28] feeding.
[16:29] >> Yes. And I would say I'm feel really
[16:31] sorry for the kid because he doesn't
[16:33] know about his iPad. It is the parents
[16:35] who are responsible.
[16:36] >> So it is very vital that a prospective
[16:40] parent has to look into it. Now what
[16:43] happens is when this child goes into
[16:45] kindi and prekindi
[16:47] sometimes
[16:49] uh you look at the lunch box there's no
[16:51] real fruit it's all packaged and as a
[16:55] and whenever these coloring agents
[16:57] artificial flavors comes in
[17:00] >> you your brain get rattled okay and the
[17:03] brain get rattled scaffolding has not
[17:06] taken place so what happens is that
[17:08] transmission line which should reach to
[17:10] its destination doesn't reach And as a
[17:12] result of that you have more noise,
[17:16] >> less signal and as a result of that
[17:19] attention deficit or neurodedevelopment
[17:22] delay is an outcome.
[17:24] >> So ADHD attention deficit hyperactivity
[17:28] disorder. So where does the
[17:29] hyperactivity come in?
[17:30] >> Good question. So what happens is that
[17:33] uh before the age of 18 like first of
[17:35] all before the age of six we were all
[17:37] ADHD.
[17:39] >> Oh okay. Okay. Because child should not
[17:42] sit.
[17:43] >> Yeah. Yeah. And you we all say they have
[17:44] so much energy. In fact parents get
[17:46] tired but the child is
[17:47] >> so they should go around they should
[17:48] explore they should touch they should
[17:50] fall and so all these things are normal.
[17:52] Okay.
[17:53] >> But after 6 7 years of age
[17:57] the pruning of the unwanted neurons
[18:00] happens which means it's like a weed or
[18:02] something like a pruning happens and
[18:04] that is the natural if the nutrients are
[18:06] there. So which means then you start
[18:08] sitting in the class and then you start
[18:11] but some subgroup of people who do not
[18:13] have this pruning happening of the
[18:15] neurons they start to become bit
[18:19] inattentive. So there are two types one
[18:21] is inattentive type one is hyperactive
[18:24] type
[18:25] >> and another one is a mixed type which
[18:26] means they have a symptoms of both.
[18:30] Now some of these kids whose IQ levels
[18:34] are not affected okay which means not
[18:36] compromised will turn out to be somehow
[18:38] they will they will manage
[18:40] >> they will work through the
[18:41] >> this work this we call them as street
[18:42] smarts
[18:43] >> okay
[18:44] >> so they may not have a formal education
[18:46] but their knowledge is much more than
[18:48] >> so a lot of entrepreneurs I would say
[18:51] millionaires billionaires who have been
[18:52] we call them as college dropouts
[18:54] >> they have got ADHD as a diagnosis okay
[18:57] and I've met many people and they are
[18:58] very smart people So and some of them
[19:02] when you find that there is a deviency
[19:05] happening in their learning
[19:08] and then the deviency happening in their
[19:10] behavior because
[19:12] the first start with the
[19:15] inattentiveness. We call them as class
[19:17] clowns. You know they have been
[19:18] disturbing others do not sit. Okay. And
[19:21] then some of them class clowns can
[19:24] become defined.
[19:26] >> Okay. Which means they will start
[19:28] fighting or picking up creating
[19:30] >> say everything contrary to whoever.
[19:32] >> Yes.
[19:32] >> Yes.
[19:33] >> Small defined people will become
[19:37] rebellious. So slightly higher degree.
[19:40] >> Some rebellious will become
[19:43] conduct disorder. Okay. Some conduct
[19:46] disorder eventually if it gets the
[19:49] fertile ground will become antisocial
[19:53] personality disorder. And usually
[19:55] conduct disorder and antisocial is
[19:57] somewhere between when you are in your 9
[20:00] to 15 years of age. If you get a
[20:03] favorable environment favorable in the m
[20:06] that let's say I'm naughty okay
[20:09] >> I meet you and you are equally like
[20:11] that. So what happens is you one become
[20:13] not two but it becomes three and then
[20:15] you get another peer. So in that process
[20:18] you start experimenting with novelty
[20:20] seeking behavior. So when we talk about
[20:22] addictions on the other day
[20:26] if you have to put it into a more
[20:28] scientific terms it is called as reward
[20:32] deficiency syndrome.
[20:34] >> Okay. So some of the people with the
[20:37] reward deficiency syndrome will have
[20:40] attention problems. Some people will
[20:43] graduate up to mild addictions and some
[20:46] people with severe and some people will
[20:48] become
[20:48] >> so reward deficiency meaning that they
[20:50] want a reward they feel underrewarded.
[20:52] >> Yes. So what happens is that's where the
[20:54] genetics comes in.
[20:56] >> Okay. So some of the people uh in my
[21:00] subgroup uh and uh which I see is that
[21:04] when I do the neutrigenomics analysis
[21:06] because I am an adult psychicartist. I'm
[21:08] not a child psychicist but there are few
[21:10] colleagues of mine who does this
[21:12] integrated uh uh assessments of the
[21:16] neonatlogy or adolescence.
[21:19] >> So once you pick up a particular problem
[21:22] in some child okay yes this child has a
[21:25] potential
[21:27] And last thing you ever want is that
[21:29] that child become deviant. Get it?
[21:31] >> Because
[21:33] in the beginning it is a nuisance for
[21:35] the family then for the school and then
[21:36] that nuisance becomes nuisance for the
[21:38] society.
[21:40] Okay. And we want to prevent it. So a
[21:42] lot of people who have got uh so we call
[21:45] as nature and nurture you know. So uh
[21:47] it's the nurture which is sometimes lead
[21:49] to some of these difficulties and when
[21:51] it leads to the hardcore addictions then
[21:54] it becomes very challenging. So as I
[21:57] said one of my subsp specialcial is
[22:00] addiction medicine. So in addiction
[22:01] medicine I come across many people who
[22:04] have got underlying ADHD as a diagnosis.
[22:06] Either they were treated or they were
[22:09] treated and they stopped the treatment.
[22:11] >> Okay. and then later on become so uh
[22:14] some of these uh medical management of
[22:16] ADHD or or the diagnosis or spectrum
[22:19] disorders may have uh have been treated
[22:22] in the past but later down the track
[22:25] they have a side effects or they misuse
[22:27] the some of the medic because these
[22:29] medications some of them have abuse
[22:31] potential not everyone but can so that's
[22:33] where the regulation part is very
[22:35] important
[22:36] >> you know whenever there is a new thing
[22:38] in uh psychiatry there is uh also a push
[22:42] back also you know because especially
[22:45] with ADHD we see a lot of conventional
[22:48] people saying that oh it's overdiagnosed
[22:50] that means like they people blame
[22:53] everything on ADHD and uh some of the
[22:57] more forward thinking people say it's
[22:58] underdiagnosed that you know we don't uh
[23:01] pick it up we don't pick up the science
[23:03] because we aren't uh
[23:05] >> sure
[23:05] >> what what do you feel is uh is because
[23:09] in India it's very often
[23:11] There's no such thing. You know, we
[23:13] still are kind of resistant to
[23:16] psychiatric assessment in a sense.
[23:18] >> Sure.
[23:19] >> So, do you think ADHD is overdiagnosed,
[23:22] underdiagnosed, or is it something that
[23:24] we're just coming to terms with?
[23:26] >> Sure. I think we need to keep a balance.
[23:28] >> Okay. If somebody's
[23:32] social academic performance is affected
[23:37] which means the way they perform or
[23:39] behave in the society
[23:41] >> and if their academic performance is
[23:42] affected
[23:44] and it is across the spectrum. So for
[23:46] example
[23:48] there is an issue in the house there's
[23:50] issue in the school or if they are
[23:52] adults there is issue at workplace
[23:55] poor time management impulsive behavior
[23:58] decision making okay uh all those kind
[24:01] of behavior patterns are there then I
[24:05] think we are doing a disservice because
[24:09] society has a name for everything.
[24:12] So if people has got only
[24:16] inattentive type of ADHD
[24:19] so which means they are lost in the
[24:21] fairylands.
[24:22] >> Correct. Daydreaming.
[24:23] >> Daydreaming. Okay. Or they zone out.
[24:26] >> So teacher is explaining something they
[24:28] don't get it.
[24:28] >> And I think we've all had classmates who
[24:30] have done that.
[24:31] >> Yes.
[24:31] >> But a hyperactive fellow will be picked
[24:33] up.
[24:34] >> Okay.
[24:35] >> Then he's creating a nuisance.
[24:36] >> He's creating a nuisance. So and
[24:38] historically worldwide it is the
[24:40] hyperactive people who are actually
[24:43] treated because they create a problem.
[24:46] But those people who have got
[24:50] inattentive type these are the people
[24:52] who start feeling that I'm not good.
[24:57] >> Oh so they have low self-esteem.
[24:59] >> Self-esteem. Okay. they use lot of
[25:02] negative connotations to
[25:03] >> they fly under the radar sense because
[25:05] they can't really
[25:06] >> yes and I always so this is where uh
[25:10] when they sometimes they read about it
[25:13] or they see someone uh like their own
[25:17] kids like for example not performing
[25:19] well so as an adult psychiatrist I've
[25:22] often come across parents because child
[25:26] was uh what I'll say flagged by the
[25:29] teachers
[25:29] >> Mhm. and they say they oh I had the
[25:32] similar challenges
[25:34] so usually that's how the process starts
[25:38] they start reading about it thinking
[25:39] about it but assessment
[25:43] is not something you see it on social
[25:45] media there are specific diagnostic
[25:47] tools there's a specific diagnostic
[25:50] history and then I add an additional
[25:54] layer there are nutritional element to
[25:56] it as well okay we will talk about it
[25:58] because I've got a chart Because
[25:59] >> yes,
[26:00] >> I always say that all these
[26:03] uh neurotransmitters which are required
[26:06] for focus and maintaining that focus are
[26:09] like cooking a dish.
[26:10] >> Okay.
[26:11] >> So if you have got problems or genetic
[26:13] vulnerability where uh you are not able
[26:16] to make dopamine adequately and there
[26:18] are holes in the bucket means there are
[26:20] back biochemical holes where the
[26:22] dopamine is made and it is resolved. So
[26:25] these people have got reward deficiency
[26:28] syndrome.
[26:29] So for example whenever we are
[26:33] interested in a topic
[26:34] >> so dopamine is the reward.
[26:35] >> Yeah it's a reward signal.
[26:37] >> So if you do not have that dopamine we
[26:39] want that dopamine. Okay. Yeah.
[26:40] >> So that where the uh pharmaceutical
[26:43] agents or neutical agents can be very
[26:46] helpful but so as when you are using uh
[26:49] drugs because they are pro providing
[26:51] that dopamine as well. Correct. So
[26:53] certainly this a different spectrum of
[26:56] the dopamine which we need because we
[26:57] don't want extremes of both are bad. We
[27:00] need in the middle.
[27:01] >> Absolutely.
[27:01] >> You know
[27:02] >> some people also self diagnose
[27:04] themselves that I've got ADHD. I'm sorry
[27:06] I couldn't complete that because my ADHD
[27:08] kicked in.
[27:10] You know I will not buy into it. It is
[27:13] something like you are trying to become
[27:16] a psychiatrist.
[27:17] >> Okay. But it takes 15 years to create
[27:19] one of me. you know so there's a process
[27:23] behind it yes you can use that
[27:25] terminology but that doesn't mean that
[27:26] you have got it so now I will give you
[27:29] an example I have I often get referral
[27:32] in this manner okay so first thing which
[27:35] I want to ask you is
[27:39] how's your sleep okay how's your eating
[27:43] habits
[27:45] so usually some people who are
[27:49] diagnosing self diagn agnosing ADHD have
[27:52] very poor dietary patterns
[27:55] lifestyle
[27:57] particularly with their food habits and
[28:01] drinking or sometimes drugs and alcohol
[28:03] could be there.
[28:04] >> So what they are thinking of a novelty
[28:07] solution to fix the problems they have
[28:11] created at the first place. So if you
[28:14] are going to sleep at midnight and 2:00
[28:16] and want to wake up at 6:00 and
[28:18] expecting that brain will be functional,
[28:22] it will not be.
[28:24] >> It is humanly not possible
[28:27] to maintain our attention beyond 72
[28:31] hours. We will all be ADHD.
[28:34] Okay. So this is where
[28:38] uh uh my uh assessment process comes in.
[28:42] Now another things which comes in is
[28:45] metabolic risk factors.
[28:47] Okay. So
[28:50] I do whenever I'm seeing someone I take
[28:54] a very comprehensive history
[28:57] starting from early childhood days. They
[29:01] may be may or may not be history but I
[29:05] often calls for the school reports.
[29:07] >> Oh okay. You know in Australia we have
[29:08] got a I said can you give me bring a
[29:11] random school report card from your
[29:13] primary school middle school years and
[29:15] high school years. That is one. If they
[29:18] don't have one can any of your parents
[29:22] or your older siblings write a verbatim
[29:25] about you. H
[29:28] >> okay verbbitum means like a story okay
[29:31] how you how you were. So you can get a
[29:33] more authentic statements comes up when
[29:36] oh
[29:37] >> he was very
[29:39] >> hard to get up in the morning. Okay,
[29:41] >> his shoes were lost. Okay,
[29:43] >> his room was in a mess.
[29:44] >> Okay, room was in the mess. Always late
[29:46] for school, you know. So these kind of
[29:48] patterns you or he was in trouble. Okay,
[29:50] he would lose many things. So you will
[29:53] see and then you will see a trajectory
[29:55] happening in the academics and then a
[29:56] trajectory happening in the workplace
[29:58] and sometimes some places people are
[30:00] losing their jobs because they are not
[30:02] reliable or not turning up on time.
[30:04] >> Sure. Sure. you know so this history is
[30:06] very important but another thing which
[30:07] is very important is a series of what I
[30:10] call them as metabolic markers or
[30:12] metabolic parameters because those
[30:15] metabolic parameters makes me uh believe
[30:18] that yes so I'll just highlight two of
[30:21] the metabolic parameters which are very
[30:23] important rather three I would say
[30:27] >> whenever we I find somebody who has got
[30:30] pre-diabetic symptoms which means
[30:32] fasting glucose may be Okay. Or on the
[30:35] higher side of the normal but fasting
[30:37] insulin is in double digits.
[30:41] >> Okay. Remember we talked about it.
[30:42] >> Yes. Yes.
[30:44] >> Vitamin D in double which is more than
[30:46] 50 and insulin in the single
[30:47] >> single digits
[30:48] >> is the panacea for health.
[30:50] >> So if you from today's podcast if you if
[30:53] you remember nothing and remember two
[30:55] things that insulin in single and
[30:58] vitamin D more than 50 is the panacea
[31:01] for health. Now if I find certain
[31:05] patterns where the insulin levels are
[31:09] high and then some other markers like
[31:12] iron levels low, B12 levels low, folic
[31:15] acid levels low, zinc levels low then
[31:18] and there is another marker which I
[31:20] called as it's a basically a cardipid
[31:23] marker. It is called as homocyine.
[31:25] If that number should be ideally between
[31:27] 7 and 8 it is commonly available here.
[31:30] So it's not an uncommon test. can be
[31:31] ordered nowadays as a part of
[31:33] comprehensive workup it can be done.
[31:36] >> Now if homoyine levels are high uh
[31:39] yesterday I picked up in one of our
[31:41] local colleague friends here a number
[31:43] was around 20. So it is almost three
[31:46] times the cutff.
[31:47] >> So when homocyine is high it makes your
[31:49] brain foggy.
[31:51] >> Oh okay.
[31:52] >> If insulin levels are high it makes your
[31:54] brain foggy. If your iron levels are low
[31:57] you are tired and exhausted which means
[31:59] you cannot focus. Okay, if your zinc
[32:02] levels are low, your immunity is down.
[32:04] Okay, and then if your protein levels
[32:07] are low, then you do not have a raw
[32:09] material to cook the neurotransmitter.
[32:11] Okay, so when I get this comprehensive
[32:15] pattern,
[32:17] first interventional strategy is fixing
[32:21] the sleep
[32:23] >> and fixing the diet.
[32:26] Okay. So it's not that I'm against
[32:29] medication options. Okay. Medications
[32:31] have a role to play but they will have a
[32:35] diff like let's put in this way our
[32:39] health is like different spokes of the
[32:41] wheels.
[32:42] Okay. What time you eat, what time you
[32:44] sleep, what time you get up, do you
[32:46] move, all those factors plays a very big
[32:48] role. Medication is one of the spokes of
[32:51] the wheels.
[32:53] >> Okay. It is not the complete picture. So
[32:56] a a pill is not going to fix difficult
[33:00] boss or a difficult partner.
[33:01] >> So true.
[33:02] >> Okay. But yes,
[33:04] >> wish it could but
[33:05] >> but yes it could affect your mental
[33:06] health
[33:07] >> and it could affect your sleep and it
[33:08] could affect so lot of times when people
[33:12] who self diagnose themselves I have
[33:15] noticed that they have got alcohol
[33:18] related problems.
[33:19] >> Okay we talked about it healthy drinking
[33:21] habits and how research limit is 0.00
[33:24] 00.
[33:25] >> But when you see that some of these
[33:26] things are coming up and if they are not
[33:29] sleeping well or if there's a issues
[33:31] around sleep apnea or snoring which is
[33:33] again a problem it all accumulates
[33:37] and into the inflammatory barrel of a
[33:41] risk factor for cognitive dysfunction
[33:44] and it may present like attention
[33:47] problem.
[33:48] >> Okay. because
[33:51] unfortunately
[33:54] some of the colleagues do not look into
[33:57] these kind of patterns. So that's where
[33:59] my role as an integrated person comes
[34:01] in. Uh
[34:02] >> because they are looking at an isolated
[34:04] part of uh
[34:05] >> Yes. So take a pill, it will be fixed.
[34:07] Okay. It's like
[34:09] >> uh putting up fuel in the car is not a
[34:12] solution to run a proper car. You need a
[34:13] servicing of the vehicle including
[34:15] balance and including the driver who is
[34:16] driving it. Correct? You know, so
[34:18] everything in balance is needed to to
[34:20] make a good neurotransmitters, you know.
[34:23] >> Very interesting. And also how does the
[34:27] modern uh things like screens and modern
[34:31] things like devices that we have,
[34:32] phones, we have screen time, how much
[34:34] does that contribute? You mentioned
[34:36] about how uh you know the nutrition
[34:39] during pregnancy also affects it. But
[34:41] how about uh external influences like
[34:44] this? Okay.
[34:47] I think we touched paste last time
[34:49] rather in the first podcast that our
[34:51] brain is 120 volts battery. Okay. So if
[34:53] you ask any electrician
[34:55] >> in a lower voltage circuit if you put a
[34:57] higher voltage it trips.
[34:58] >> Correct.
[34:58] >> Okay. And sleep is a uh low voltage
[35:02] dimming activity.
[35:04] >> So this
[35:06] coordination or of switch can be
[35:09] affected in some of the
[35:10] neurodedevelopmental disorder
[35:12] particularly people with attention
[35:13] deficit disorder. Okay. It is proven
[35:15] because they do have a autonomic
[35:18] disregulation in which sympathetic
[35:21] nervous system is high and
[35:23] parasympathetic is low and sleep is an
[35:28] activity where it should be other way
[35:30] around. Our parasympathetic activity
[35:33] should be high.
[35:34] >> Correct? So that's why in our
[35:36] heartfulness we say we do the evening
[35:38] cleaning and we do the nighttime prayer
[35:40] and that's where you are creating that
[35:43] environment and regulation that you want
[35:45] to sleep. Now coming back to the screen
[35:49] what happens is that
[35:52] each reel on an Instagram
[35:55] is designed
[35:57] for not more than 10 15 20 seconds.
[36:00] >> Correct. Correct. And it's getting even
[36:02] uh smaller now. And that is where
[36:04] because you get a reward and you want a
[36:06] next one and the next one and now
[36:08] algorithm of some of these reels are
[36:10] that moment you start searching one
[36:12] there's another one to follow. Okay. And
[36:14] then you get start getting these
[36:16] messages. It is like an addiction. So
[36:18] you want to have this reward mechanism
[36:21] going on by the time it may be 8:00 p.m.
[36:24] 9:00 p.m. and you don't even realize
[36:26] that.
[36:26] >> Correct. I mean I think all of us have
[36:29] uh experienced that. you say 5 minutes
[36:31] I'll just check my messages and then
[36:32] you're on a reel and you keep scrolling
[36:34] >> you think it's the real that's doing it
[36:36] but it's actually the dopamine that's
[36:38] doing
[36:38] >> yes so you're searching for that
[36:39] dopamine now what happens is
[36:42] when everything has a cost okay to
[36:45] produce dopamine like brain needs energy
[36:47] you know
[36:48] >> correct
[36:48] >> so what happens is invariably you start
[36:51] feeling hungry
[36:52] >> yes
[36:53] >> okay
[36:53] >> so true
[36:54] >> so uh whenever people come in I always
[36:57] take a dietary history okay my wife is
[36:59] well known for that and she will say
[37:01] because often sometimes people come and
[37:03] say oh
[37:07] you know
[37:11] what we have a very good rule now okay
[37:14] what we say okay I'll give you a form
[37:18] diary
[37:20] whatever you are eating you have to note
[37:22] it down 90% people don't even come back
[37:26] it helps me because I want to help those
[37:29] people who are really means the
[37:30] business.
[37:31] >> Correct. Correct.
[37:31] >> Okay. Now let's say somebody has come in
[37:35] and particularly if they say I'm
[37:37] vegetarian.
[37:39] So are they vegetarian or they
[37:41] carbotarian?
[37:43] Okay. So a typical uh breakfast could be
[37:48] either a like a paratha or a bread or a
[37:51] or a jam or something or a cereal. Okay.
[37:54] So
[37:55] >> that's not a vegetable.
[37:57] >> Yes. But at the same time
[38:00] it is a fuel source
[38:02] >> and especially when you are hungry.
[38:04] Remember we talked about being hungry.
[38:06] >> Yes.
[38:06] >> Our food choices are always restricted.
[38:10] >> So I I give an analogy because that's
[38:12] the best way to explain. Let's say we
[38:14] are in a dark room. I give you a candle
[38:17] and I give you a matchick. Okay. In
[38:20] order to lit a room, you have two
[38:21] choices. One, you keep on litting a
[38:24] matchick. Every 10 seconds, 15 seconds,
[38:27] there is a light and then stop. But the
[38:29] other option is you lit the matchick and
[38:32] you light the candle.
[38:34] >> So whenever we are eating high sugar
[38:37] containing foods or a rich processed
[38:41] carbohydrates, it is like litting a
[38:43] matchick. It gives you dopamine and then
[38:45] you fall.
[38:46] >> Then the crash.
[38:47] >> Okay. But if you have eaten healthy
[38:49] proteins and fats, it is like litting a
[38:51] candle. it will last for longer. So this
[38:54] is where the morning food habits
[38:57] particularly
[38:58] okay if you're fasting that's okay but
[39:00] even when you break the fast what you
[39:02] should eat
[39:03] >> is a good healthy proteins and fats
[39:05] >> so I have got a smoothie recipe okay I
[39:10] will share share the link there's
[39:12] nothing we want to have a different
[39:14] colors okay so base is everything is
[39:18] same you could have some MCT powder
[39:21] little bit of protein powder and then
[39:23] some fruit. So, one day blue,
[39:26] one day red, one day green, one day
[39:28] yellow. Okay? Or I just tell them create
[39:31] your own. So, let's say on a blue day
[39:32] you will have a blueberry or a malbury.
[39:34] On a red day, you will have beetroot,
[39:37] strawberries, dragon fruit. Okay? Uh is
[39:40] there on on a green day you can have a
[39:43] spinach or a green apple and same as
[39:45] like that. So, different color varieties
[39:47] are there and the base ingredient is the
[39:49] same. You have healthy fats in that. You
[39:51] can add some collagen if if there's no
[39:54] uh restrictions and then you have
[39:56] balance of and that gives you a complete
[39:58] meal. Okay. Or you could if you are a
[40:02] vegetarian you could make a chila which
[40:04] is made up of sprouted beans. That could
[40:06] be one or you could have some
[40:08] bulletproof coffee we talked about. Yes.
[40:10] >> Okay. So once you make these changes
[40:12] this is the where gradually things would
[40:15] start to change. So my in my clinical
[40:18] practice there are two interventions are
[40:21] done at the first consult
[40:24] first getting the history second fixing
[40:27] their sleep
[40:29] and the third thing is fixing their
[40:32] breakfast. M
[40:33] >> so I always tell them I will remember
[40:36] what I told you. Okay. And I want you to
[40:39] be coming up because if uh you're not
[40:42] sleeping well
[40:44] and or which means not making a change
[40:47] and expecting a different outcome, it's
[40:49] not going to happen. Okay.
[40:52] My job is to give you a fuel but
[40:54] servicing of the vehicle is your
[40:56] responsibility.
[40:58] >> Okay. what time you eat and move and
[41:00] everything has got a role and once
[41:05] and I have noticed that when people make
[41:08] these subtle changes
[41:12] healthy cognition and sparking of the
[41:15] brain which is is a natural outcome.
[41:19] Okay. Because you you who f who would
[41:22] like to feel lethargic? No one.
[41:24] >> No one. Yes.
[41:25] >> Okay. Okay. But we can hire people to
[41:29] enjoy our pleasure. But even if you are
[41:31] a millionaire or a billionaire, you have
[41:33] to manage your own pain.
[41:35] >> Correct. [laughter]
[41:36] You know, you cannot hire someone to
[41:38] have your pains. Okay?
[41:43] responsibility
[41:47] rather if you start talking about your
[41:50] pain all the time
[41:52] people will say
[41:57] [laughter]
[41:57] >> so you have to ch those attitudal
[41:59] changes are very important so that's why
[42:02] morning routine is very vital
[42:04] >> correct correct
[42:05] >> when I'm doing that okay
[42:06] >> so in your practice uh Dr. How much uh
[42:09] increase in ADHD have you seen? Have you
[42:12] seen uh more and more patients coming to
[42:14] you with it or
[42:15] >> Okay, good question. In the western
[42:17] world, certainly the diagnosis is much
[42:19] more than uh the uh our our society
[42:22] here. The main reasoning is that there
[42:25] are structured curriculum programs.
[42:27] >> Mhm.
[42:28] >> And usually uh uh teachers are very uh
[42:32] alert about it. So certainly any
[42:34] behavioral disturbances are picked up
[42:36] quite early. uh I don't disagree that
[42:40] there's a tendency of overdiagnosis
[42:42] predominantly based on variety of
[42:44] factors I've already highlighted. Okay.
[42:46] >> So this is where I disagree with that.
[42:49] Okay. Uh if you're not fixing the
[42:51] primary problem and fixing that a pill
[42:53] is going to do the job
[42:54] >> then you are just asking too much from
[42:56] that. Okay. Now but what happening is
[42:59] that
[43:01] uh postcoid
[43:04] okay uh a lot of changes have happened
[43:08] because of variety of reasons isolations
[43:10] and people had a chance to introspect
[43:12] and then see that how their jobs have
[43:15] changed. Okay. Previously people had to
[43:17] work from home.
[43:18] >> So they were socially isolated and
[43:20] that's where the dysfunctionality came
[43:21] in. And at the same time there are
[43:24] always controversies around certain
[43:26] injectables which people took as a part
[43:28] of vaccine. That's a different story.
[43:30] There are two different side of the
[43:31] camp. But certainly your immune system
[43:34] has been changed. So certainly some
[43:37] people have this cognitive dysfunctions
[43:40] happening and longcoid complications is
[43:43] wellknown entity now. So it is not
[43:44] something which has been uh like from a
[43:48] right-wing social. It's actually a
[43:50] well-known thing and I've seen it in my
[43:51] in my practice as well
[43:53] >> that myalgia or chronic pains and
[43:57] fatigue is very common.
[43:58] >> I mean all of us know people who are
[44:00] going through that after
[44:01] >> and some some people can have major
[44:03] issues like cancers and cardiovascular
[44:05] or cognitive decline is there.
[44:08] >> So it is not that uh yes awareness has
[44:10] come in but nowadays uh uh social media
[44:14] and including uh blogs and podcast have
[44:16] been talking about it. But I would say
[44:19] that those people who have been self
[44:21] diagnosing please introspect that to
[44:25] what extent your lifestyle is
[44:27] contributing towards it.
[44:29] >> Okay.
[44:30] >> So first do a lifestyle review and then
[44:32] self diagnosing it. Yeah. If you ask any
[44:35] neonatlogist
[44:37] okay or those who are practicing in this
[44:40] holistic manner and that's where I was
[44:42] talk quoting Dr. medicine
[44:46] most important is that let's start with
[44:48] the sleep let's see and there are agents
[44:51] which we can use
[44:51] >> so sleep is a major factor what is the
[44:54] ideal time of sleep a lot of people had
[44:56] uh have uh this question no what is the
[44:59] is it the same for men and women is it
[45:01] different for men and women what is the
[45:02] ideal sleep cycle
[45:04] >> again it's a range
[45:06] >> okay it's a range
[45:11] sleep is a coordinate ated
[45:15] cleaning activity. Okay,
[45:18] start with nonREM and then there are
[45:20] series of REM. So it's like shift
[45:23] workers.
[45:24] >> One will come and vacuum another one is
[45:25] scrub the floor.
[45:27] >> Okay. Now if you are able to
[45:31] synchronize
[45:33] all the coordinated activity in a nice
[45:36] manner
[45:38] and when you wake up in the morning you
[45:40] feel fresh.
[45:43] So that's the first indicator.
[45:48] Okay,
[45:51] freshness
[45:54] that is an indicator that that's your
[45:56] good sleep window and that varies
[45:58] between somewhere between 6 6 and 1/2
[46:01] hours to somewhere around 7 to 7 and
[46:03] 1/2. So there's a difference between 1
[46:05] one and 1/2 hours difference. But
[46:09] if you are having symptoms of fatigue,
[46:12] tiredness, lack of freshness, not able
[46:14] to focus, not able to perform 100%.
[46:18] >> And immediately when you get up in the
[46:20] morning, you don't want to wake up and
[46:23] you want that coffee to give you that
[46:25] kickstart. That is an indicator that you
[46:28] are not having proper sleep.
[46:31] Now some people may have issues if they
[46:34] take coffee or tea particular after
[46:36] certain times because and that is
[46:38] related to the metabolism
[46:39] >> they can't sleep then
[46:40] >> yeah because they are not able to
[46:42] because uh some people can some people
[46:44] can't I am one of them who can uh
[46:46] because of
[46:47] >> I also can I can have an espresso and go
[46:49] to sleep then
[46:50] >> yes [laughter] that's not a good thing
[46:51] it's a actually coffee is a good
[46:53] anti-aging molecule within within
[46:55] limited quantities obviously but if you
[46:57] are going to drink those energy drinks
[46:59] which are high highly caffeinated now
[47:02] you know everything in excess is good
[47:04] fire controlled good wildfire not good
[47:08] >> yes so controlled is good
[47:10] >> also so it it's also important when how
[47:13] you get up in that sense no it's like uh
[47:16] if if it's a cycle you were saying it's
[47:18] there are different cycles there's deep
[47:19] sleep and there's not so deep sleep and
[47:22] very often we are woken up by an alarm
[47:24] or our phone ringing suddenly and we may
[47:28] not have our body is not coming out of
[47:30] sleep naturally. Does that have an
[47:31] effect also?
[47:33] >> Well, if you are not able to sleep uh so
[47:37] if you're not able to wake up with an
[47:38] alarm, there are two reasons. Either you
[47:40] have you're still cleaning the house
[47:42] >> because maybe in the deep sleep or
[47:44] that's what happens with the teenagers.
[47:46] Okay, they are night owls. So the
[47:48] circadian rhythm is shifted. Uh so but
[47:52] if you have
[47:55] coordinated the circadian rhythm so
[47:57] those people who have got issues around
[48:00] let's say
[48:05] okay that's fine at least they are
[48:07] honest they are not able to
[48:09] >> but
[48:14] you go out in sun
[48:17] >> close your eyes stand in front of the
[48:19] Sun.
[48:22] So sunlight
[48:24] gives you a natural circadian rhythm
[48:28] regulator. Oh
[48:29] >> okay. And there is a well-known concept
[48:32] in psychiatry seasonal effective
[48:33] disorder. So when there is not enough
[48:35] sunlight, you actually get seasonal uh
[48:37] depression. So and these people are
[48:39] exposed to very high flow.
[48:41] >> I know lots of people in the rainy
[48:42] season who are I mean I also don't feel
[48:45] the best when you don't see the sun in
[48:46] Nital for like weeks. And that could be
[48:49] one one reason and there is a
[48:51] coordination with vitamin D. So uh
[48:53] vitamin D is a sunshine vitamin. Again
[48:55] adequate levels are very important to
[48:57] make make sure that everything is fine.
[48:59] So that's how the coordination happens
[49:01] and then after you have done it you
[49:04] start unwinding things. So uh usually my
[49:08] preference including myself is that uh I
[49:12] should be able to eat before 6:00 p.m.
[49:14] >> Uh and and then uh 3 to 4 hours before
[49:18] you hit the pillow. Your stomach should
[49:20] be empty and then try to wake up in the
[49:23] morning and then there are certain
[49:25] routines which can be done after you
[49:27] wake up. Okay. I think in the corridor
[49:29] yesterday we talked about cold exposure.
[49:31] >> Yes. Yes.
[49:32] >> You want me to elaborate on?
[49:33] >> Absolutely. Absolutely.
[49:35] Have you had a cold shower?
[49:37] >> I I do have cold showers. I take cold
[49:39] showers.
[49:39] >> Okay, good. So, you're in my club.
[49:41] [laughter] Okay. So, from last 20 years,
[49:44] I've been taking cold shower every day.
[49:47] I've done it in Nanal, Satkull.
[49:49] >> But it's really cold.
[49:51] >> Yes. And I've also done in uh Vancouver.
[49:54] Okay. Yes, it is cold. So, is cold
[49:57] exposure a pain? Yes, it is.
[49:59] >> It's not pleasant. Yes. You know, it's
[50:00] not pleasant. Butter pills have sweeter
[50:03] outcome.
[50:05] Okay. So what happens is
[50:09] uh I don't know some of the viewers
[50:12] would have heard about Wimhof. Okay.
[50:15] >> Yes. Yes. We we in Netflix and he's done
[50:17] lots of series of the iceman who goes
[50:20] swimming in
[50:20] >> but do you know Vimhof in his earlier
[50:22] days has lived in Badrinat.
[50:24] >> Really?
[50:24] >> Yes.
[50:25] >> I did not know that.
[50:25] >> Yes. He's very fluent in Sanskrit.
[50:27] >> Wow.
[50:28] >> He's very fluent in Sanskrit. I've done
[50:30] Vimhimov's program.
[50:32] And we have stories of babas sitting in
[50:34] the snow doing tapasia and all that.
[50:36] >> So vimhops brea uh actual ice or cold
[50:40] exposure is preceded by pranayyama.
[50:43] >> Wow.
[50:44] >> Okay. So uh it is something like a
[50:47] sudashan kria yoga which is done in the
[50:49] in the lying down position. Okay. So you
[50:52] use series of breathing exercises. You
[50:54] do about 15 20 minutes of that and so
[50:58] that your uh autonomic nervous system or
[51:01] sympathetic drive is activated
[51:03] >> and then you are trying to do a cold
[51:06] exposure. Okay.
[51:10] >> When you are doing cold exposure, it can
[51:12] always start with a cold shower or a
[51:14] simply uh splashing
[51:17] >> splashing your face with the cold water
[51:20] >> or you start with the hot and then do
[51:22] the cold.
[51:24] when we when when I do my uh cold bath
[51:28] or particularly the uh 3 to 5° so when I
[51:31] say cold cold means not zero or less
[51:34] than zero no it's not good uh again uh
[51:38] not recommended for everyone if you are
[51:41] lean and thin if you have got certain
[51:43] ailments or if you have got uh poor circ
[51:45] micro circulation then yes it can be a
[51:47] risk factor but so so medical disclaimer
[51:50] is there but in general
[51:53] If people uh have not that those
[51:56] problems then it could be. So what it
[51:58] does is when you are
[52:02] going inside the cold environment you
[52:04] should be neck below. Don't immerse your
[52:06] head.
[52:07] >> We have got brown fats in our neck and
[52:10] the back region. Uh so it's a it's a
[52:13] natural coverage.
[52:15] So immediately
[52:17] you have already done a sympathetic
[52:19] surge with the pranayama exercises. So
[52:22] you are already in that tone.
[52:24] >> So it is like adding fuel to the fire.
[52:29] So when you are exposed to the cold
[52:32] there's a sudden rise in the sympathetic
[52:35] activity.
[52:37] Okay. Now body's temperature has to be
[52:40] maintained. So what happens is
[52:43] immediately the brown fat which is the
[52:47] fat which is actually healthy fat we
[52:49] call it rather we start losing it as we
[52:51] grow older
[52:53] kicks in
[52:55] >> and that creates
[52:57] thermogenesis or in a biochemical terms
[53:01] we call as uncoupling of mitochondria.
[53:04] So let me give an analogy. So let's say
[53:08] your car is parked on the driveway. It
[53:10] is still in the parking gear. You have
[53:12] started the engine and you have put the
[53:13] accelerator. Car is not moving but
[53:15] engine is moving.
[53:16] >> Yes.
[53:17] >> So as a result of that when you are
[53:19] exposed to the cold you do not have to
[53:21] run. You do not have to do extensive
[53:24] exercises that two to 5 minutes of
[53:27] exposure will do some kind of an
[53:30] uncoupling and as soon as you come out
[53:34] you feel hot.
[53:36] >> True. True.
[53:36] >> Okay.
[53:37] >> Yeah. Now during the process of exposure
[53:40] to the cold
[53:42] what Vimhof has been talking about be
[53:45] subservant to that water respect it
[53:49] he says that be river water in hinduka
[53:52] he he has used that word
[53:54] >> so there is a there is an aspect of
[53:56] consciousness also involved
[53:57] >> yes
[53:58] >> there is an aspect of mental attitude
[53:59] also involved
[54:00] >> and you're saying I want your energy I
[54:02] want your vibrancy coming in me okay
[54:05] remember daji has talked about hugging
[54:07] the tree. Yes. When we are in the
[54:09] polarity, please give me that energy.
[54:12] Okay. Sitting underneath the tree or
[54:14] meditating under the tree or some of
[54:16] that walking under. So these are all you
[54:19] are asking that nature to give me that
[54:22] strength and vitality which is good for
[54:24] my body. M.
[54:25] >> So when you are exposed to that cold
[54:30] environment,
[54:32] first of all,
[54:34] according to Wimhof,
[54:36] it should be done in an open air. So
[54:40] usually you should be seeing an horizon.
[54:43] >> Oh, so you're not seeing something the
[54:45] bathroom wall [laughter]
[54:47] >> preferably not.
[54:48] >> Yes.
[54:48] >> Okay. Although a lot of spas are coming
[54:50] in, they will talk about it this but
[54:52] ideally. So let's say you are in a cold
[54:55] lake or a manserver lake and you are
[54:58] seeing the Himalayas or Kalashpawat from
[55:00] there.
[55:00] >> So when you are seeing the horizon
[55:03] your
[55:04] vision improves and your energy levels
[55:07] and your mood improves. Okay. During
[55:10] that time
[55:13] either you should be doing some slow
[55:16] breathing. Okay. So yes, wherever there
[55:19] is a pain or some kind of a numbness
[55:21] happening, take a deep breath and give a
[55:25] suggestion or a salpa that energy or
[55:28] oxygen is going into that area and then
[55:31] once that sh first minute is very hard
[55:36] but after that you can continue and
[55:38] easily in my own practice I've done up
[55:41] to four five minutes. I don't do more
[55:42] than that. Okay. Yes. uh Vimhof himself
[55:46] has done a lot of crazy experiments but
[55:48] that is something he has trained himself
[55:50] to do it and he doesn't recommend that
[55:52] either
[55:52] >> but you can you can watch his podcast
[55:55] >> so as soon as you come out I take my
[55:57] shower and then I take my bulletproof
[56:00] coffee or a ketogenic breakfast trust me
[56:04] you will have vibrancy lasting for up to
[56:07] 5 6 hours without any trouble
[56:10] >> please try okay now if in that case
[56:14] So what happens is by giving a
[56:15] stimulation you have already taken an
[56:17] ADHD medicine in a natural way.
[56:20] >> That is so amazing.
[56:22] >> You have taken a fuel which is in the
[56:24] form of healthy fats which is again
[56:26] given you the octane 98 lifestyle
[56:28] choice. We talked about it that it will
[56:31] stimulate your brain and it is
[56:33] pro-topaminergic.
[56:34] >> So you're healing yourself.
[56:36] >> Oh yes. amount of dopamine released
[56:39] >> during the cold exposure is 250 times
[56:42] more than a cocaine shot.
[56:44] >> Wow.
[56:45] >> It's a natural cocaine shot. Like I'm
[56:48] not I'm giving a false analogy. That
[56:49] doesn't mean that I'm propagating by any
[56:51] means some of those choices but it is it
[56:54] has been shown and Bimhoff has used this
[56:55] statement. So this is his statement
[56:56] which I'm quoting that is crazy you
[56:58] know. So why don't you use it? Okay. And
[57:01] the most crazy part about it that you
[57:04] say is during the cold exposure if you
[57:07] your site if you are looking at the
[57:08] horizon how that affects uh you that is
[57:12] something that uh you know
[57:13] >> that is where the we miss the link
[57:15] >> okay so very important is that uh uh you
[57:18] you could do it and if you if you don't
[57:20] have a time that's okay uh maybe go into
[57:22] a river or an ocean okay so that is what
[57:25] I tell my patients because I live on a
[57:29] on a coast because that's where
[57:30] Australia is
[57:31] >> so uh usually
[57:34] >> uh we go for sometimes me and Puja go
[57:36] for walk okay and that's where the
[57:38] grounding remember we talked about
[57:39] grounding last time so please viewers
[57:41] please listen to that
[57:42] >> grounding with a cold exposure and then
[57:44] some kind of activity so certainly the
[57:47] word we use daria okay so daria has to
[57:51] start with our meditation activity okay
[57:53] once you have done that then you can do
[57:55] a some kind of a
[57:56] >> supraama also
[57:57] >> oh yes
[57:58] >> so what do you recommend first
[57:59] pranayyama and meditation or meditation
[58:01] first and then go into
[58:02] >> doesn't matter
[58:03] >> doesn't matter
[58:03] >> doesn't matter whatever your preference
[58:05] is I think what uh as our masters have
[58:08] talked about it that as soon as you get
[58:10] up okay you should you should have a
[58:12] routine was a particular space where you
[58:15] want to have have your meditation done
[58:18] once the meditation is done then you do
[58:20] some activity or exercises which is a
[58:22] pranayyama and I think uh uh uh Mr. Dr.
[58:27] Praasha has done in our mission lot of
[58:29] uh uh uh like talks around the mudras.
[58:33] Okay. Correct. Correct.
[58:34] >> So when you are actually holding like
[58:36] sitting cross-legged in a dhan mudra and
[58:39] let's say you are holding your hands
[58:41] like this and you're stretching your
[58:42] hands and in a cross-legged position
[58:46] and you do uh right and left nostril
[58:49] breathing. Uh Daji has talked about
[58:51] surya and chandranari you know. So when
[58:53] you breathe in from your right nostril,
[58:55] you stimulate your brain.
[58:58] When you breathe in from your left
[58:59] nostril, you relax your brain.
[59:01] >> Okay, this is I'm quoting Daji in that.
[59:03] Okay, so he has talked about it. So I
[59:06] will take it to the next step. So when
[59:09] we are sitting and doing pranayyama
[59:14] with the right uh right posture and
[59:17] right method, you are expanding your
[59:20] lung like a balloon. M
[59:22] >> okay so it's lung is nothing but it's a
[59:24] balloon now when you are having a mudra
[59:27] position
[59:28] you are able to blow in more air and
[59:32] lungs sit on a platform it is called as
[59:36] diaphragm. Okay. So yes,
[59:38] >> okay.
[59:38] >> Yes.
[59:39] >> Underneath the diaphragm is one of the
[59:42] branch of our healing nerves Vegas grows
[59:45] on which is frenic nerve. Okay. So as
[59:47] soon as you hit the frenic nerve
[59:50] relaxation is a natural outcome.
[59:52] >> So that is the physiological reason of
[59:57] how pranayama helps in relaxation.
[59:59] >> How it works. Wow.
[1:00:00] >> Okay. I think we should do another
[1:00:02] podcast on medical understanding of yoga
[1:00:05] and some of these activities.
[1:00:06] >> Yeah. Can we cancel his ticket for this
[1:00:08] evening? Let's not let him go to P. We
[1:00:11] can do it online also.
[1:00:12] >> Yes,
[1:00:12] >> we can. Uh,
[1:00:13] >> no.
[1:00:13] >> But it has to be I'm not a subject
[1:00:15] matter expert but this is what my
[1:00:17] >> This is so fascinating. I mean for
[1:00:18] everybody
[1:00:19] >> because all these things are interlin
[1:00:21] with one another.
[1:00:21] >> Yes. Yes. You can't isolate one and say
[1:00:24] just do that and that will fix which is
[1:00:26] what much of medicine today is trying to
[1:00:28] do that you take this one pill and it
[1:00:30] will cure. And Ashangi yoga is all about
[1:00:32] first are all series of asans and
[1:00:35] followed by dhan and samadi.
[1:00:36] >> Correct. Correct. You also mentioned
[1:00:38] about the cold plunge that don't put
[1:00:40] your head in. Why is that? I think uh
[1:00:49] so first they can plunge but they don't
[1:00:52] submerge for because if you have to stay
[1:00:54] in for a long time because you have to
[1:00:56] breathe and other things as well but al
[1:00:58] certainly when you are neck below you
[1:01:00] are equally doing that because otherwise
[1:01:02] you may do a plunge but then you have to
[1:01:04] come out because suddenly
[1:01:05] >> so not holding your breath in extended
[1:01:08] state that's what I mean
[1:01:09] >> it will probably create tension in your
[1:01:10] system and all you don't want that Okay.
[1:01:12] Exactly. And it's amazing how much
[1:01:14] mental attitude can have an effect
[1:01:16] because you you mentioned that you must
[1:01:18] have uh an idea of reverence an attitude
[1:01:21] of reverence to the water and this
[1:01:23] actually affects your physiology.
[1:01:25] >> Yes. And that's what Bimhof said like if
[1:01:27] you done his workshop
[1:01:29] >> he says Hindu tradition respect water
[1:01:33] they respect their mountains they
[1:01:35] respect they call it mother they don't
[1:01:37] call it father. Okay. So when you are
[1:01:39] going to the cold please river okay I
[1:01:43] know you are energetic please allow me
[1:01:47] to feel your energy
[1:01:50] trust me if you're going to be facing
[1:01:53] like a bold man and trying to jump in
[1:01:55] the experience will be much different
[1:01:57] than when you subserve you get more much
[1:02:00] more
[1:02:00] >> wow have that humbleness and attitude
[1:02:03] towards it okay and that is very
[1:02:05] important you know very very important
[1:02:07] Okay.
[1:02:08] >> Very interesting.
[1:02:09] >> And we are missing nowadays. Okay.
[1:02:11] That's
[1:02:12] >> coming back to ADHD.
[1:02:14] Given your experience, Dr. do you see it
[1:02:17] manifest differently in men and women?
[1:02:21] >> Good question.
[1:02:24] Now,
[1:02:26] in case of females,
[1:02:30] let me take you to the hormonal balance,
[1:02:31] okay? To explain this. Whenever a female
[1:02:35] patient comes in, I said
[1:02:37] okay uh females are very very agile.
[1:02:44] They are well known for multitasking.
[1:02:46] >> Yes.
[1:02:47] >> Okay. They have to take care of the
[1:02:49] baby. They have to clean the uh clean
[1:02:52] the house. They have to coordinate with
[1:02:53] the bay or something. And that's why
[1:02:55] they are very good HR manager and event
[1:02:57] manager.
[1:02:57] >> Yeah. And we were just discussing the
[1:02:59] other day with some colleagues that most
[1:03:01] institutions have HR heads as uh ladies.
[1:03:04] >> Okay. And men are useless. Okay. So
[1:03:06] because and they are very good in the
[1:03:08] focusing part. When you give them 10
[1:03:10] jobs they can't do it.
[1:03:11] >> And that is because of estrogen.
[1:03:14] >> Okay. So so there is a two and two
[1:03:17] roster. Okay. So in a menstrual cycle
[1:03:20] first two weeks is estrogen. On the Dday
[1:03:22] which is an ovulation day which is the
[1:03:25] progesterone. Now
[1:03:28] coming back to uh I missed this.
[1:03:32] Whatever egg is going to be ovulated in
[1:03:35] a particular time of the menstrual
[1:03:37] cycle, it was prepared 3 months prior.
[1:03:41] >> M
[1:03:42] >> okay. So if prior to 3 months if your
[1:03:46] egg was exposed to a toxin or a stress
[1:03:49] or a alcohol that memory will be carried
[1:03:52] in that.
[1:03:54] Okay? And you never know which one is
[1:03:56] going to be picked up. So I give an
[1:03:57] example that whenever a female is
[1:03:59] created, mother nature gave a repository
[1:04:01] of eggs.
[1:04:03] Okay, one of them is picked up every
[1:04:05] month
[1:04:07] on a as a as a part of a beauty pageant.
[1:04:10] So for a catwalk which is the ovulation
[1:04:13] and then after that it meets its
[1:04:15] destiny. It will result in a pregnancy
[1:04:17] and then or or there will be a menstrual
[1:04:19] cycle will begin and in the second half
[1:04:22] of the cycle when estrogen has gone home
[1:04:25] it gives a pattern to the progesterone
[1:04:27] to make sure that this lady should be
[1:04:29] taken care of. But if the progesterone
[1:04:32] estrogen and progesterone balance is not
[1:04:35] adequate either because of the lifestyle
[1:04:38] choices which is mainly metabolic
[1:04:40] syndrome or we call C PCOS polycystic
[1:04:43] ovarian disease or ovulation not
[1:04:45] happening or
[1:04:47] it is in the post-menopausal age group
[1:04:50] where there's a natural decline then
[1:04:54] some of these females besides the
[1:04:56] hormonal shifts with their mood and
[1:04:58] nerves they can present with some kind
[1:05:01] of an attention problems. So normally I
[1:05:04] come across some females
[1:05:06] >> who may say in my 20s I was perfect
[1:05:10] >> 30s but now I'm seeing I'm not that. So
[1:05:12] suddenly again it is not okay uh it's an
[1:05:16] ADHD syndrome. So what I do is in my
[1:05:20] practice I explain them which makes
[1:05:23] sense to them that which part of your
[1:05:26] cycle is worst. Okay is it first half or
[1:05:28] the second half? Usually you can see
[1:05:30] that symptoms are mood symptoms are
[1:05:32] coming in the second half particularly
[1:05:33] around day 21. So we check the hormone
[1:05:36] levels at that time and in some of the
[1:05:39] places including at least I have a
[1:05:41] privilege and I wish some of these
[1:05:42] things could come here we use
[1:05:44] bioididentical hormones. So if there's a
[1:05:48] deficit you give estrogen as a patch
[1:05:50] which is a natural and progesterone and
[1:05:52] testosterone and then you give that
[1:05:55] balance. certainly balance it out but
[1:05:57] certainly hormonal and nutritional
[1:05:59] balances are very very important.
[1:06:01] >> Now so this is where sometimes
[1:06:03] differences could come in.
[1:06:05] >> Uh sometimes some people may have uh
[1:06:08] patterns where they were able to cope
[1:06:12] with their inefficiencies but since the
[1:06:15] reserves have gone down their inherent
[1:06:18] problems are getting manifested. So
[1:06:20] >> okay they've gone below a certain
[1:06:21] >> below a certain level. M
[1:06:22] >> so I do uh uh uh prescribe medications
[1:06:26] to those individuals but I will create
[1:06:28] the fertile ground as I mentioned it is
[1:06:30] because if I'm not doing that then I'm
[1:06:32] not uh going to get a good outcome. Now
[1:06:35] one good part of some of these females
[1:06:37] are that once I have fixed the sleep, I
[1:06:40] have fixed the diet, I have fixed the
[1:06:42] nutritional balance and hormonal balance
[1:06:43] that itself sometimes improves their
[1:06:45] problem and even if they require
[1:06:48] medication the dose is very tiny which
[1:06:50] means less dose
[1:06:54] less side effect better quality of life.
[1:06:57] So pharmaceutical agent I use the word
[1:06:59] smart pharmacology.
[1:07:01] >> A treatment [clears throat] resistant
[1:07:02] become treatment responsive when you
[1:07:04] give a right environment.
[1:07:06] >> So the pharmacology is just an added
[1:07:08] sort of
[1:07:09] >> it's not the cure itself.
[1:07:11] >> Yes, it has its role. I'm not denying
[1:07:13] that. So as I said it's a spoke of the
[1:07:15] wheel.
[1:07:16] >> Every spoke on the wheel is very
[1:07:18] important
[1:07:18] >> and balancing is needed. So I'm not
[1:07:20] against medication option.
[1:07:22] >> Uh now do you want me to talk about
[1:07:25] medications?
[1:07:26] >> Yes. Yes, it would be very nice.
[1:07:28] >> So, so,
[1:07:28] >> so the medications are uh under two
[1:07:33] broad categories. Okay. One is a
[1:07:35] stimulant and other one is
[1:07:36] non-stimulants.
[1:07:38] Uh I have not don't have much knowledge
[1:07:41] about uh Indian setup but to best of my
[1:07:43] knowledge uh some of the stimulant
[1:07:46] medications like dexameine are not
[1:07:48] available because they have an abuse
[1:07:50] potential.
[1:07:51] >> Mhm.
[1:07:51] >> Okay. In Australian setup they are very
[1:07:55] highly regulated which means every
[1:07:57] prescription has to be given by a
[1:07:59] specialist. I'm very very anal about it
[1:08:03] because I do calculate. We have got
[1:08:04] >> it's very important.
[1:08:05] >> Yeah. Because uh I have a very simple
[1:08:08] strategy. Okay.
[1:08:11] Whenever I do a dose I've got an auto
[1:08:13] calculator in my software. So if I have
[1:08:15] prescribed you a dose I will exactly
[1:08:17] know how much you would have consumed.
[1:08:20] >> And people think that we don't. Okay.
[1:08:22] And also we have got a mechanism where I
[1:08:24] can go online and search where where did
[1:08:27] you fill this
[1:08:27] >> just to avoid abuse basically
[1:08:29] >> abuse because and this is sometimes I
[1:08:31] think is not there in our setup
[1:08:34] >> but so those medications are called as
[1:08:37] dexameamine
[1:08:38] there's another cousin of that is called
[1:08:40] as methileenate it is marketed as
[1:08:42] ritlinin both dexameamine and ritlin
[1:08:45] have their long acting form which is
[1:08:47] again less abuse potential so rlinin la
[1:08:49] and concertize there
[1:08:51] >> whereas as in case of dexitamine it is
[1:08:53] vance. uh uh now among non-stimulant
[1:08:57] categories which is actually a preferred
[1:08:59] choice in case of children's uh there
[1:09:02] are uh atomoxitine is there modafanil
[1:09:06] sometimes is used uh not much in
[1:09:08] children's but mainly in adults uh uh
[1:09:11] and then there are nighttime medications
[1:09:13] are there called as guysine or inunive
[1:09:16] that's a trade name but what I've been
[1:09:19] tending tendency to use is as I said
[1:09:22] smart pharmacology
[1:09:24] So if somebody is not able to sleep or
[1:09:28] unwind I use one of the medication
[1:09:31] called as clonedine. It is actually a
[1:09:33] anti-hypertensive
[1:09:35] but what it does
[1:09:38] sometimes people with ADHD or people who
[1:09:41] are very hyperactive brain is running
[1:09:43] like a choke or jumping like a monkey.
[1:09:45] They are not able to curtain down.
[1:09:48] Yes lifestyle happens. So usually what I
[1:09:51] tend to do is I give them a very slow
[1:09:54] lowd dose of clonedine tablet. It's a
[1:09:56] blood pressure drops down blood pressure
[1:09:58] calms down but it is followed by a
[1:10:00] neutrautical formula. I make a
[1:10:02] compounding melatonin between 5 to 10
[1:10:04] milligs which is a natural agent and
[1:10:06] then I've got an amino acid formula
[1:10:08] which comprises of herbs and amino acids
[1:10:12] which are very calming like for example
[1:10:14] torine, glycine, 5HTP. So these are some
[1:10:18] things which are very important.
[1:10:20] Do you want me to show you
[1:10:23] how neurotransmitters are made?
[1:10:25] >> Of course. Of course.
[1:10:26] >> Because a lot of times and uh and I want
[1:10:29] to uh teach this to my medical
[1:10:32] colleagues as well.
[1:10:33] >> Also, I wanted to know how much does the
[1:10:35] pharmarmacology have you seen in your
[1:10:37] personal practice? How much does
[1:10:38] pharmarmacology really help? Can you
[1:10:40] medically with with pharmaceuticals
[1:10:42] treat ADHD or
[1:10:44] >> Yes, you can.
[1:10:45] >> It does makes a big difference. Now the
[1:10:47] best part is for all the parents who are
[1:10:52] watching this,
[1:10:54] you are doing a disservice if your child
[1:10:57] has a potential and you are choosing not
[1:10:59] to treat them.
[1:11:01] >> It's like
[1:11:03] cancer diagnosed at an earlier stage can
[1:11:06] be treated but if you ignore it yes it
[1:11:09] will be a so what you do not want is
[1:11:11] that that child since you had a stigma
[1:11:14] attached to it.
[1:11:15] >> Correct. Okay, you are depriving him of
[1:11:18] his true potential and as a result of
[1:11:21] that he may become person with low
[1:11:22] self-esteem and probably a mental health
[1:11:24] disorder or may lead to addictions or
[1:11:27] sometimes you can turn around and you
[1:11:29] can see that they are outshining.
[1:11:32] >> Yes. So is there is there something that
[1:11:34] parents can look out for because the
[1:11:36] child of course will not uh diagnose
[1:11:38] itself. Is there something? So parents
[1:11:40] have to be first
[1:11:42] accepting
[1:11:44] that my child is different from my
[1:11:48] neighbors or others. Okay, they are
[1:11:50] hyperactive
[1:11:52] and I've seen it many times particularly
[1:11:54] in the people from the subcontinent.
[1:11:55] When I say subcontinent, I'm talking
[1:11:57] about Indians, Chinese, you know, these
[1:11:59] are people who are very protective of
[1:12:01] their child cuz I've got a perfect child
[1:12:04] and there's nothing wrong with that.
[1:12:05] [clears throat]
[1:12:05] >> There can be nothing wrong with my
[1:12:07] child.
[1:12:07] >> Okay? Or sometimes relative says
[1:12:12] effect.
[1:12:16] But what happens is one of the reasons
[1:12:18] in the Indian subcontinent why some of
[1:12:21] these diagnoses are happening is because
[1:12:23] of the environmental pollutants
[1:12:24] particularly heavy metal exposure.
[1:12:26] >> Oh so they are physical causes as well.
[1:12:28] >> Yes.
[1:12:29] >> Arsenic, lead, cadmium
[1:12:31] >> well known and mercury is well known for
[1:12:35] having effect on your brain and
[1:12:36] performance. My goodness.
[1:12:38] >> Yes. Autism well known
[1:12:39] >> in autism sub spectrum. This is
[1:12:41] something is checked by the integrated
[1:12:44] clinicians as a part of intervention
[1:12:46] strategies which pediatricians or
[1:12:48] developmental pediatrician will plan.
[1:12:50] I've got a very close friend Jaffer and
[1:12:52] we were talking other day and he liked
[1:12:55] my statement. He said I told him I have
[1:12:59] if you are using nutritional
[1:13:02] interventions in your strategy
[1:13:05] your results will outperform
[1:13:07] >> because nutrition create fertile grounds
[1:13:10] in which seeds of psychology will sow
[1:13:14] >> h they have to work hand in hand.
[1:13:16] >> Yes. Hand in hand. So it's not that that
[1:13:18] uh speech therapy uh or occupational
[1:13:21] therapy they do not have any role in
[1:13:23] that. Okay. Yes, they do have a role but
[1:13:26] just good sleep, good diet, good
[1:13:28] nutrition, basic supplements, just add
[1:13:29] it and then see that whether that can
[1:13:31] make and help a difference.
[1:13:33] >> So hyperactivity is something that
[1:13:34] parents can see.
[1:13:36] >> Yes. But also the if they are
[1:13:38] daydreaming.
[1:13:39] >> Okay.
[1:13:39] >> Okay.
[1:13:44] Now we label these childrens as lazy.
[1:13:52] Okay.
[1:13:55] There are some diseases we have a fever.
[1:13:58] There are some diseases we have a pain.
[1:14:01] There are some diseases in which we have
[1:14:04] mood, nerves, the symptoms. Okay. Please
[1:14:08] accept that every problem doesn't have a
[1:14:11] pain.
[1:14:12] >> It is a so there are
[1:14:14] >> it'll manifest differently.
[1:14:15] >> Manifest differently. So please
[1:14:17] >> procrastination is another major thing.
[1:14:18] Definitely.
[1:14:21] >> Yes. And have a look watch your
[1:14:24] colleagues who are in your subordinates.
[1:14:26] Can they sit on the chair? Because lot
[1:14:29] of times people who have ADHD has very
[1:14:31] difficulty in maintaining sitting in an
[1:14:32] office environment. They constantly move
[1:14:34] >> moving shifting.
[1:14:35] >> Okay. They are moving, shifting,
[1:14:36] multiple tabs open on the computer and
[1:14:38] that's another question which I asked to
[1:14:40] the all the IT people. How many tabs are
[1:14:42] open? Do you shift between the tasks?
[1:14:45] >> Okay. Can you remember if somebody gives
[1:14:47] you verbal instru instruction? Do you
[1:14:49] have a tendency to interject during a
[1:14:51] conversation because you cannot hold?
[1:14:53] >> These are all
[1:14:54] >> symptoms of ADHD. So when you are
[1:14:56] diagnosing someone, you have to ask
[1:14:59] these series of things that how their
[1:15:02] social occupational functioning is
[1:15:05] affected to a point that they are on the
[1:15:08] verge of losing the job. So sometimes
[1:15:09] I'd come across people who have been
[1:15:12] given a notice that if you are not your
[1:15:14] performance is not up to standard if you
[1:15:15] do not pull up yourself you are going to
[1:15:18] and I've seen
[1:15:19] >> and that's when they decide to take it
[1:15:21] seriously. Yes, I've got a patient who
[1:15:23] is actually an engineer from Chennai
[1:15:25] >> and uh he has done amazingly well. That
[1:15:28] boy
[1:15:30] was an outcaster when he was growing up
[1:15:33] in Tamil Nadu you know and yes somehow
[1:15:36] he could manage to do the engineering
[1:15:38] but when he came in he could not
[1:15:39] maintain a job
[1:15:41] okay and he struggled now he's a totally
[1:15:45] different personality
[1:15:47] >> that's amazing
[1:15:47] >> so if the medicines work with the
[1:15:50] supportive environment
[1:15:52] it is like you have got adequate fuel in
[1:15:54] the car when you are going to ignite the
[1:15:56] engine has to start and you will see the
[1:15:59] result pretty much straight away.
[1:16:02] >> Okay. But in order to minimize the side
[1:16:05] effect that is where my my goal is that
[1:16:10] create that good supportive environment
[1:16:13] and this is where the diet and nutrition
[1:16:14] comes in.
[1:16:15] >> But also uh Dr. uh growing up teenagers
[1:16:19] go through a change you know their
[1:16:21] hormones are going through changes. Uh
[1:16:24] how do you decide that are these
[1:16:26] hormonal changes or are these symptoms
[1:16:28] of ADHD because they become irritable,
[1:16:30] they become daydreaming?
[1:16:32] Sure.
[1:16:32] >> They become hyperactive.
[1:16:34] >> Um both uh boys and girls go through
[1:16:37] hormonal changes.
[1:16:38] >> Sure.
[1:16:40] >> Good point.
[1:16:41] lot of times I think it is very
[1:16:44] important that
[1:16:49] I is your children
[1:16:52] academically academically inclined
[1:16:56] or they are not
[1:16:58] >> okay there is no harm if that person
[1:17:01] becomes turn out to be a good plumber or
[1:17:03] electrician or an artist why you are
[1:17:06] forcing them to do things which they
[1:17:07] don't want to do
[1:17:10] Okay. But
[1:17:12] >> I wanted to become a pilot. [laughter]
[1:17:15] Okay. And accidentally became a doctor.
[1:17:17] Okay. I still like to become a pilot one
[1:17:20] day. And there's a colleague of mine.
[1:17:22] She's actually a pilot who flies to the
[1:17:24] remote part of Australia. And she says,
[1:17:26] I just asked my employees, don't pay me
[1:17:27] for my flying license, just give me a
[1:17:30] plane. And she's a registered pilot. So
[1:17:33] look at their potential.
[1:17:35] Their strengths may be in some other
[1:17:38] areas. And this is where I was talking
[1:17:41] to our Abiasi sister just now uh before
[1:17:44] this podcast and she was talking about
[1:17:46] she's a career counselor. Okay. So
[1:17:48] nowadays uh there are psychometric
[1:17:51] testings are there then their abilities
[1:17:53] are there. Then you have to see whether
[1:17:55] your child has a truth because
[1:17:57] >> everybody is not destined to become a
[1:17:58] doctor. Okay. I have to be honest with
[1:18:00] you. I have seen many doctors
[1:18:05] failing when it comes down to the
[1:18:07] critical decision making. Okay,
[1:18:10] especially
[1:18:11] when you climb up the hierarchy of your
[1:18:15] executive ladder, you have to make
[1:18:18] decision. It is only the time will tell
[1:18:20] whether that decision was right or
[1:18:21] wrong. But if you don't decide, you are
[1:18:24] not going to be a good leader. And if
[1:18:26] you do not have that personality, please
[1:18:28] do not go into the high performing
[1:18:29] because it's better to be uh like
[1:18:32] followers rather than the leaders you
[1:18:34] know cuz everybody cannot be. So I think
[1:18:36] the parents have to change their mindset
[1:18:39] although there are some extent are
[1:18:40] happening that it's not
[1:18:47] a correct no not at all
[1:18:50] >> and I really liked
[1:18:52] concept of sack mole you know. Wanguk
[1:18:56] a poor fellow has been in controversy
[1:18:58] because of variety of reasons but one
[1:19:00] thing which I really liked about that
[1:19:01] school is
[1:19:02] >> the condition of entering in that school
[1:19:04] is that you have to be a failure
[1:19:06] [laughter]
[1:19:08] >> or there are been several people who
[1:19:10] have been uh world class photographers
[1:19:14] and some of the artists have come out of
[1:19:16] that institute and I really liked it. So
[1:19:19] we need to have that potential
[1:19:21] happening. But yes,
[1:19:24] sometimes
[1:19:26] uh in a school setup which is a a
[1:19:29] controlled environment, you can you can
[1:19:32] learn certain things under pressure. But
[1:19:35] when you come into a university
[1:19:36] environment or a work environment,
[1:19:38] sometimes those caveats or support
[1:19:40] structures are not there. Sometimes
[1:19:42] these symptoms can appear. So I would
[1:19:45] say that
[1:19:48] uh a person themsself should have the
[1:19:51] true potential that am I able to do or
[1:19:54] appear in these competitive exams
[1:19:56] >> it could be doesn't matter whether it's
[1:19:58] an administrative exams or in a neat or
[1:20:02] >> I whatever you want to do
[1:20:04] >> and if you don't have that skill set do
[1:20:06] not get disheartened there are any
[1:20:08] number of professions which you can work
[1:20:12] with
[1:20:13] where where you can have you can
[1:20:15] outshine and lot of the startups are
[1:20:17] coming up.
[1:20:17] >> Yes. Yes. I think opportunities are
[1:20:19] increasing in different fields all the
[1:20:21] time and in today's world one can one
[1:20:24] can u the younger generation is very
[1:20:26] open to doing different things. But
[1:20:30] how do we differentiate between a
[1:20:33] hormonal temporary sort of symptoms and
[1:20:37] long-term ADHD
[1:20:39] puberty
[1:20:40] you know and displaying some
[1:20:42] >> so these are I would say more like a
[1:20:46] psychological state okay so certainly
[1:20:50] when there is a surge in the hormones
[1:20:53] your mood can change okay particularly
[1:20:56] in case of females
[1:20:58] uh uh premenstrual or pre-minari in this
[1:21:02] stage ovelation can be painful. Now if
[1:21:05] ovelation is painful
[1:21:07] there are lot of nutritional things
[1:21:09] which are important particularly zinc
[1:21:10] and magnesium okay and healthy fats
[1:21:12] because uh OM has to be released and
[1:21:15] popped out like a balloon and during
[1:21:17] that time if it is very painful
[1:21:18] menstruation sometimes that can have a
[1:21:21] intracellular magnesium level so
[1:21:23] nutritional element very important
[1:21:25] >> and again
[1:21:27] uh whenever there's a hormonal changes
[1:21:30] happen psychologically we are going
[1:21:32] through a process of individuation
[1:21:34] ation. Okay, it is a term use. So those
[1:21:38] people who are allowed to be
[1:21:40] individuated means
[1:21:44] let your child
[1:21:47] decide what they want.
[1:21:50] Yes, you have to be observant.
[1:21:53] If these behavioral changes are coming
[1:21:55] up because of suspected lifestyle
[1:21:58] choices, you have to be careful.
[1:22:01] Are they secretly hiding out something
[1:22:04] going out? Because unfortunately not lot
[1:22:08] of drugs are coming up
[1:22:10] >> especially uh so you have to be uh
[1:22:13] watchful that are they coming home late
[1:22:15] are they going out whom they are going
[1:22:17] out with okay and
[1:22:20] uh and just tell them that okay that I
[1:22:25] we trust you but we do give we have to
[1:22:27] verify okay particularly with the girls
[1:22:29] okay so those things are important
[1:22:31] sometimes these behavioral changes
[1:22:33] because
[1:22:35] as a part of intoxication and the
[1:22:38] withdrawal symptoms of particularly
[1:22:42] amphetamines and cannabis exposure
[1:22:45] behavioral outburst can be a problem
[1:22:48] >> of course
[1:22:48] >> okay and it can manifest as ADHD because
[1:22:50] what happens is you have not slept well
[1:22:53] and everything is going on and that's
[1:22:55] how sometimes these things can be picked
[1:22:56] up as well so
[1:22:58] >> there's no straightforward answer to
[1:22:59] that but certainly I would say have a
[1:23:02] bird's eye vision
[1:23:04] >> uh and make sure that how where your
[1:23:06] child is going and how they are going
[1:23:08] and educate them. Okay.
[1:23:09] >> And engage with them.
[1:23:10] >> Educate them. Yes. Ask them, talk to
[1:23:12] them what do they want in their life.
[1:23:14] Okay. And it doesn't matter uh whether
[1:23:16] they they because even if they become a
[1:23:19] doctor or an engineer and if there is no
[1:23:21] heart and soul into it, I don't think
[1:23:22] they will be doing justifying that that
[1:23:24] profession responsibility. And I've seen
[1:23:26] it many times happening. You know,
[1:23:30] >> so you were telling us about the
[1:23:32] >> Yes. This is a very important chart.
[1:23:33] >> Okay. I hope this is visible. So I will
[1:23:37] walk you through.
[1:23:38] >> Okay. So can you see melatonin?
[1:23:42] >> Yes.
[1:23:42] >> Okay. Can you see this dopamine?
[1:23:44] >> Yes.
[1:23:45] >> Okay. Can you see this GABA?
[1:23:47] >> Yes.
[1:23:48] >> Yes.
[1:23:48] >> So I'll call them uh melatonin, dopamine
[1:23:53] or even serotonin uh as a dish. Okay. In
[1:23:58] order to cook a dish, we need a recipe.
[1:24:01] Agreed. again recipe in a particular
[1:24:04] order
[1:24:05] >> order quantity
[1:24:06] >> quantity so salt is not a replacement
[1:24:08] for pepper everything has to be balanced
[1:24:10] okay so I always explain my patient
[1:24:16] melatonin's mother is serotonin
[1:24:19] serotonin's mother is 5HTP so whenever
[1:24:23] I'm giving 5HTP
[1:24:26] I'm giving the grandmother and
[1:24:28] grandmother always take care of the
[1:24:29] grandkids Okay. So this is the night
[1:24:33] supervisor of our brain. Now in the
[1:24:36] morning hours we need dopamine. Okay. So
[1:24:39] whenever we are giving medications I
[1:24:42] talked about those stimulant
[1:24:44] medications. So what they are doing
[1:24:46] >> they are trying to trap the
[1:24:47] neurotransmitter from breaking down
[1:24:51] but they do not make the
[1:24:52] neurotransmitter. They only going to
[1:24:54] trap it. M
[1:24:55] >> so if from the from the tap the content
[1:24:58] is not released in the bucket
[1:25:01] how you going to pump it
[1:25:04] >> correct
[1:25:04] >> okay so you can't blame the pump or the
[1:25:07] medications because it has to be
[1:25:08] produced at the first place and this is
[1:25:10] where the diet and nutrition comes in
[1:25:13] okay we before we go there I talked
[1:25:15] about the third thing which is called as
[1:25:17] GABA so if dopamine and serotonin are
[1:25:22] accelerator of the car GABA GABA is the
[1:25:25] brake m
[1:25:26] >> you know so if you are driving a vehicle
[1:25:28] we need a balance of both accelerator
[1:25:30] and brake
[1:25:30] >> correct
[1:25:31] >> you know either of them so GABA is a
[1:25:33] relaxing arm of neurotransmitter and
[1:25:36] this is what happens when we are people
[1:25:39] are actually having a alcohol or a drink
[1:25:42] >> so what happens is whenever we are
[1:25:45] having an alcohol or somebody has an
[1:25:48] alcohol they relax but what happens is
[1:25:52] gaba is like a us. We want healthy
[1:25:55] residents. Problem is when we invite
[1:25:58] alcohol,
[1:25:59] >> he wants to sit on the driver's seat.
[1:26:02] >> Can you trust a drunken driver? No. But
[1:26:04] what we want is a good residents. What
[1:26:06] are magnesium, elenine, torine, glycine,
[1:26:11] good calming environment? So that we
[1:26:13] create a gaba. So gaba is actually a
[1:26:14] break. Now a lot of uh addictive
[1:26:16] molecules like benzoazipines you might
[1:26:18] have heard about alpresolam. Yes.
[1:26:20] Taipam,
[1:26:22] laorazipam, clonazipam, all these pams
[1:26:25] they actually also act on gaba receptor
[1:26:27] but they disrupt our circadian rhythm. M
[1:26:30] >> so I'm not agreeing disagreeing that
[1:26:33] they have cannot be used but used for
[1:26:35] specific purposes
[1:26:36] >> judiciously
[1:26:37] >> judiciously otherwise
[1:26:39] >> now once you know about these
[1:26:41] neurotransmitters let's cook them as a
[1:26:43] dish okay
[1:26:46] >> let's cook serotonin we need 5HTP we
[1:26:49] need lryptophen comes from proteins in
[1:26:50] the diet
[1:26:52] >> same as dopamine we need lopad tyrosin
[1:26:54] comes and proteins in the diet
[1:26:56] >> so what happens is we talked about
[1:26:57] proteins in the beginning very important
[1:26:59] >> correct Pregnancy even more important.
[1:27:01] Lactation even more important. So when
[1:27:04] proteins comes in in the diet it's get a
[1:27:08] need some herbs and spices. So you need
[1:27:10] some stomach acid. Okay. Then you need
[1:27:13] some zinc B1 B6. So what happens is it
[1:27:16] breaks down into its constituent and
[1:27:18] then those constituents require folate,
[1:27:21] iron, folate, iron, zinc. So you can see
[1:27:23] that. So these are all herbs and spices.
[1:27:27] >> Wow. You know now if I give you a raw
[1:27:32] material let's say you have to cook a
[1:27:34] dish and if I give you herbs and spices
[1:27:37] can you cook if I don't give you heat?
[1:27:39] >> No.
[1:27:40] >> And that is pH.
[1:27:43] >> Okay.
[1:27:44] >> So pH is
[1:27:47] for the neurotransmitter particularly
[1:27:49] brain neurotransmitter we need pH of 6.8
[1:27:52] to 7.2.
[1:27:54] >> Okay. Ask anyone who is an avid
[1:27:56] agriculturist if you uh are a plant
[1:27:58] hobbyist.
[1:27:58] >> Yeah. Yeah. We measure the ph
[1:28:00] >> pH of the soil and ph of but if you give
[1:28:02] a let's say npk blue fertilizer
[1:28:06] >> if you give it to a rose or a mango it
[1:28:08] will thrive but if you give it to a
[1:28:09] native tree it will die
[1:28:10] >> because you have overdose it same. So
[1:28:13] that's why we want all the things to be
[1:28:15] balanced. So pH has to be regulated.
[1:28:19] Heat has to be regulated. Too high not
[1:28:22] good too low not good. So you want a
[1:28:24] balance of six point. So remember when I
[1:28:26] talked about that alkalinizing formula.
[1:28:30] >> Correct. Correct.
[1:28:30] >> Okay. So this alkalinizing formula has
[1:28:33] got a perfect balance of the environment
[1:28:36] which will balance the pH. Okay.
[1:28:39] Remember we talked about multi-B
[1:28:41] formula. Okay. So this will be providing
[1:28:43] all the bees.
[1:28:45] >> Remember I talked about vitamin D. Okay.
[1:28:47] So that would provide that. Remember I
[1:28:50] talked about trace mineral complex. It
[1:28:52] will provide these herbs and spices.
[1:28:54] Okay. And then we talked about certain
[1:28:56] other nutrients and other things like
[1:28:58] that.
[1:28:58] >> So these are all the ingredients
[1:28:59] >> ingredients to cook a dish.
[1:29:01] >> Yes.
[1:29:01] >> You know, so tomorrow onwards
[1:29:04] I would like all the viewers
[1:29:07] that I have to cook my dopamine, I have
[1:29:10] to cook my serotonin, I have to cook my
[1:29:13] melatonin and I have to cook my GABA.
[1:29:16] Okay. And this is where so when I said
[1:29:21] in the when you are eating a ketogenic
[1:29:24] diet in the morning okay have a good
[1:29:27] night sleep have a good cold exposure
[1:29:30] dopamine is a natural outcome
[1:29:32] >> you created perfect environment to
[1:29:34] produce that neurotransmitter okay
[1:29:37] >> now in order to correct the pH balance
[1:29:39] remember we talked about this is a this
[1:29:41] is freely available on online stores
[1:29:43] like Amazon this is a litmus paper and
[1:29:46] this is a yellow strip around 10:30 11
[1:29:49] a.m. You check it against the color. So
[1:29:52] it should be turning more towards the
[1:29:53] gray
[1:29:54] >> with saliva.
[1:29:55] >> No, it's a urine
[1:29:56] >> with urine. Okay. And then if it is
[1:29:58] turning gray, your body is alkaline. If
[1:30:00] it is yellow, then it is your acid.
[1:30:02] >> So there's something simple everybody.
[1:30:04] >> Very simple. Very very simple. It can be
[1:30:06] done very cheaply available. And when
[1:30:08] you are using alkaline diet, so uh
[1:30:11] remember
[1:30:12] uh uh some of the attachments we talked
[1:30:15] about prowl index potential renal acid
[1:30:17] load of the food. So that would give you
[1:30:19] an alkaline solutions.
[1:30:20] >> Uh today I will add up one of the
[1:30:23] recipes uh for the smoothies so that you
[1:30:26] can have a good protein rich.
[1:30:28] >> Uh there are uh two or three books I
[1:30:30] would recommend particularly for uh
[1:30:33] young parents. M
[1:30:35] >> uh uh one of the book is finally
[1:30:37] focused. It is freely available
[1:30:39] available on u uh Amazon and it is
[1:30:42] written by Dr. James Green. I had a
[1:30:46] privilege to share stage with uh Dr.
[1:30:47] Greenblat on one of the forums. Each
[1:30:51] chapter of that book is related to a
[1:30:53] problem which a parent face and what is
[1:30:56] the nutritional solution to it.
[1:30:57] >> Wow.
[1:30:58] >> Very good. Very practical book. Very not
[1:31:00] very thick. The second book which I
[1:31:02] would recommend is better brain. Better
[1:31:06] brain by Dr. Julia Raklage. R U C L I D
[1:31:11] G E. So in which Dr. Julia Raklage is a
[1:31:14] clinical psychologist Canadian origin
[1:31:16] now currently a faculty in Christ Church
[1:31:18] New Zealand and she has done a lot of
[1:31:20] work in that area. She has worked in the
[1:31:21] ADHD and mental health spectrum.
[1:31:24] >> You can read my book missing link right
[1:31:26] here.
[1:31:27] >> So this is to the camera. Yes. Yeah.
[1:31:31] Missing links by medicines don't work
[1:31:32] for you. Uh I've co-authored two
[1:31:35] chapters in this book. And the another
[1:31:37] one is change your diet, change your
[1:31:41] mind by Dr. Georgina Eat. She's from
[1:31:44] Howard. So these are good masterpieces
[1:31:48] uh easily readable. It will educate you
[1:31:51] as a parent or an individual where I'm
[1:31:54] coming from
[1:31:55] >> and tomorrow when you are educated about
[1:31:58] it and you are visiting a psychiatrist
[1:32:00] or a pediatrician or whomsoever you are
[1:32:03] well informed because they are
[1:32:04] thoroughly referenced in the back if in
[1:32:07] case the clinician disagree with you.
[1:32:09] >> Absolutely. So what I want is creating a
[1:32:12] movement where rather than labeling a
[1:32:14] disorder can we fix it with some of our
[1:32:17] lifestyle choices and hopefully we can
[1:32:19] do a big service to these individuals
[1:32:21] who are
[1:32:22] >> we can live as an informed society you
[1:32:24] know it's like uh people who are who
[1:32:26] don't feel uh helpless when they come
[1:32:28] across things like
[1:32:29] >> and we can uh add this chart because yes
[1:32:32] >> uh this this chart is given to every
[1:32:35] patient coming into my clinic.
[1:32:37] >> Okay. And it is created by one of my uh
[1:32:41] uh highly regarded mentor Dr. Eigor
[1:32:43] Tresian. Okay. Uh who is originally from
[1:32:47] Europe but a big fan of Ayurveda.
[1:32:49] >> Oh okay.
[1:32:50] >> Okay.
[1:32:51] >> I wanted to ask you Dr. You know I read
[1:32:53] a I read a book by a gentleman called
[1:32:56] Masanobu Fukuaka Japanese agrarian. He
[1:32:59] was agrarian technology
[1:33:01] >> and his he had a very simple thing for
[1:33:03] healthy living.
[1:33:04] >> He said eat local and eat seasonal.
[1:33:07] Sure.
[1:33:08] >> That is all.
[1:33:08] >> Sure.
[1:33:09] >> So is there this wisdom in our
[1:33:11] traditional diets? The other day you
[1:33:13] mentioned your grandmother's food.
[1:33:15] >> Yes.
[1:33:16] >> Traditional diets all over the world
[1:33:18] which have evolved over thousands and
[1:33:20] thousands of years which are now uh you
[1:33:22] know facing this globalization of food
[1:33:26] also. I mean glo we talk about
[1:33:27] globalization in different fields but
[1:33:29] even food has become globalized. We have
[1:33:31] McDonald's everywhere. In Hyderabad we
[1:33:33] have so many McDonald's, Domino's. So
[1:33:36] traditional diets everywhere have
[1:33:38] undergone like severe change in the past
[1:33:41] 100 years.
[1:33:41] >> Sure.
[1:33:42] >> So do you think traditionally we invol
[1:33:44] we were nutritionally
[1:33:47] uh optimized our diets and now we are
[1:33:50] facing problems.
[1:33:52] >> Absolutely.
[1:33:54] There's another book
[1:33:56] >> superfoods by David Wolf.
[1:33:58] >> David Wolf WF. Okay. David is not a
[1:34:01] doctor. He's a journalist but he's a his
[1:34:03] parents are doctor. So what David did
[1:34:06] and really I like that food is that he
[1:34:08] picked up I think eight or 10 uh
[1:34:10] superfoods. So he went to different
[1:34:13] parts of the world. Okay.
[1:34:17] He went to Amazon. He picked up goji
[1:34:19] berry. Okay. He went to China. He picked
[1:34:24] up
[1:34:26] uh another uh berry fruit from there.
[1:34:30] Okay. uh and uh he came to India and
[1:34:34] when I say India I mean Sri Lanka and
[1:34:36] Southeast Asia particular this part he
[1:34:39] picked up coconut and turmeric.
[1:34:43] So and he also went to those islands or
[1:34:46] those places
[1:34:49] where centinarians live. What do they
[1:34:51] >> the blue zones?
[1:34:52] >> Blue zones. Okay. So some of those
[1:34:54] places which are in that oceans he
[1:34:56] picked up phytolantons which are
[1:34:58] actually source actual source of fish
[1:35:00] oil. So it's an algae
[1:35:03] >> and there are technologies now available
[1:35:05] where we can do fight algae and
[1:35:07] spirulina equivalent of spirulina I
[1:35:09] would say not exactly same which can be
[1:35:13] used as well. Now remember I was talking
[1:35:16] about that holistic concept of medicity
[1:35:19] and other thing.
[1:35:19] >> Yes. Yes. I've got a wish that we will
[1:35:21] have a photobiioore reactor in that
[1:35:23] campus. So these are algae. From a
[1:35:26] distance it looks like a very wonderful
[1:35:28] green wall but actually it's a breathing
[1:35:29] reactor which will I think 60 or 70
[1:35:32] square meters of the area surrounding
[1:35:35] that breathing photobiactor will release
[1:35:37] oxygen.
[1:35:38] >> It can be put into public spaces and at
[1:35:41] least I'm aware of two places in London
[1:35:43] and also in Bopal there is a prototype.
[1:35:45] So some of these technologies from the
[1:35:48] has been modernized.
[1:35:51] So I completely agree with you that we
[1:35:54] have significantly deviated.
[1:35:57] Now
[1:36:01] there is a book another one bite at a
[1:36:04] time in which the author I think she's
[1:36:06] from Australia nutritionist she is
[1:36:08] talking about that historically as you
[1:36:11] said field to fork distance was not more
[1:36:15] than 500 km
[1:36:17] >> which means food bit get can get
[1:36:20] perishable now you can get food in every
[1:36:22] season
[1:36:23] >> absolutely from anywhere in the world
[1:36:24] >> thousands of kilometers so certainly
[1:36:27] I am myself a big proponent of our local
[1:36:30] foods. Okay. Please do not give up your
[1:36:35] ancient heritage
[1:36:37] otherwise you will pay the price and we
[1:36:40] are already paying the price in the form
[1:36:42] of different forms. Okay. Certainly
[1:36:47] these sad diets standard American diet
[1:36:50] and sand we the actually we use
[1:36:52] Australians as well standard Australian
[1:36:55] diet are not good for you some of them
[1:36:59] have been highly processed and it is
[1:37:02] well known the ill effects of some of
[1:37:05] these things okay we don't have time to
[1:37:07] go into those things but suddenly
[1:37:09] >> yeah and it's become so universally
[1:37:10] adopted I mean uh 100 years ago nobody
[1:37:14] heard of conflicts for oatmeal for
[1:37:15] breakfast. But now we we do that and
[1:37:17] conflicts, you know, it's processed.
[1:37:19] It's processed at the end of the day.
[1:37:20] >> And we have dalia.
[1:37:21] >> Yes, we have dalia. [laughter]
[1:37:22] >> We have a dalia. We have millets, you
[1:37:24] know. So just name it. We have
[1:37:26] everything, you know. We've talked about
[1:37:28] other day fermented foods. Okay. We
[1:37:30] talked about southern India, Italy,
[1:37:31] dosa. Yes.
[1:37:32] >> And and and uh uh chila. They are they
[1:37:35] are all uh fermented foods.
[1:37:38] >> I know.
[1:37:39] >> No,
[1:37:40] >> it is amazing. It is amazing. Now uh Dr.
[1:37:43] When I mentioned this morning to some
[1:37:44] friends that uh I was going to speak to
[1:37:46] you about ADHD, some of them sent
[1:37:48] questions also because it is so
[1:37:50] prevalent.
[1:37:50] >> Sure.
[1:37:51] >> That we can take some of them.
[1:37:52] >> We can let's see if we can uh fit in
[1:37:55] some of them.
[1:37:56] >> One of them was like do you think our
[1:37:58] schools are actually designed to keep up
[1:38:01] with children with ADHD? because uh not
[1:38:06] all ADHD gets recognized uh in schools
[1:38:10] and uh our school structure is very
[1:38:12] rigid in the sense that it uh has a
[1:38:15] certain evaluation that you have to meet
[1:38:16] up to this standard but will a child
[1:38:20] with ADHD actually u fall through the
[1:38:24] system will not be able to keep up with
[1:38:25] the system
[1:38:26] >> okay it's a very valid question and uh I
[1:38:30] think it is not the problem of the child
[1:38:31] it is a problem of the curriculum
[1:38:33] M
[1:38:34] >> okay so it here the curriculum is
[1:38:37] failing in not picking up the child's
[1:38:40] true abilities
[1:38:42] okay so certainly that's why these
[1:38:45] alternate schooling methods okay they're
[1:38:47] becoming more popular
[1:38:48] >> more popular
[1:38:49] >> and uh so uh like in western worlds
[1:38:54] uh which I come across although I don't
[1:38:56] see the uh children's in my practice uh
[1:39:00] there have been discussions that If
[1:39:04] a person is labeled as autism and a
[1:39:06] labeled has been diagnosed then school
[1:39:09] can apply to the government for
[1:39:11] additional supportive funding.
[1:39:13] >> Yes. Yes. Yes.
[1:39:13] >> So there's a financial kickback. Okay.
[1:39:16] I'm not saying that everybody is taking
[1:39:17] advantage because there's a reasoning
[1:39:19] behind
[1:39:19] >> there may be some people who want some
[1:39:21] people like that. So here I would say
[1:39:25] that
[1:39:28] those good teachers okay and I still
[1:39:32] remember some of my teachers from my
[1:39:34] medical school when I was actually
[1:39:37] specially preparing for my uh
[1:39:38] competitive exams.
[1:39:41] Uh uh so uh professor Connor okay and he
[1:39:46] was talking about
[1:39:48] that why I give lot of analogies because
[1:39:52] I want intellectual tattooing
[1:39:55] why I create examples why I create
[1:39:57] pneumonics why I create a story because
[1:40:01] I want you to understand and visualize
[1:40:03] that concept.
[1:40:05] So those teachers
[1:40:08] who are asking and want to do a rote
[1:40:11] learning I think they need to have
[1:40:13] changed the way they teach. Okay. And I
[1:40:16] remember my teachers some of them who
[1:40:18] would explain a very difficult concept
[1:40:21] in a pictorial manner. Okay. And I
[1:40:24] personally prefer that as well.
[1:40:26] >> I learn more from pictures. Okay. And
[1:40:28] it's a very famous saying a picture says
[1:40:30] thousand words you know. Correct. You
[1:40:31] know and the reasoning behind is because
[1:40:33] the way things are. So I think our
[1:40:36] educational system has to give
[1:40:39] modifications and levi for some people
[1:40:42] who are differently aabled. Okay,
[1:40:44] >> they learn
[1:40:45] >> you know. So rather than making a word
[1:40:47] disabled telling them differentlyabled
[1:40:50] >> because then you are empowering them
[1:40:52] because uh some of them you know
[1:40:56] >> Yes.
[1:40:56] >> And there are several uh uh known
[1:41:00] examples uh in the western worlds if
[1:41:03] they would have born in uh developing
[1:41:05] countries they would have never reached
[1:41:06] a high school day.
[1:41:08] >> So true. So true. We have we'll take one
[1:41:10] more question. I have a daughter with
[1:41:12] ADHD and I see a cycle where difficulty
[1:41:16] with executive function leads to
[1:41:17] procrastination.
[1:41:18] >> Y
[1:41:19] >> then stress after procrastination comes
[1:41:21] stress and then feeling overwhelmed
[1:41:24] >> and then turning to food for comfort.
[1:41:26] >> Yes.
[1:41:26] >> You know comfort and stimulation that
[1:41:29] can make healthy eating and weight
[1:41:30] management incredibly difficult.
[1:41:32] >> Yes.
[1:41:33] >> How does ADHD affect eating behavior and
[1:41:36] weight and how can someone break the
[1:41:38] cycle?
[1:41:39] >> Okay. I remember I gave analogy of a
[1:41:41] candle and a yes
[1:41:43] >> that's the way how you break it.
[1:41:45] >> Okay. So certainly
[1:41:48] uh although this particular child
[1:41:52] if
[1:41:53] very likely possibility would be either
[1:41:56] using predominantly processed or carbo
[1:41:58] carbohydrate rich foods heavy foods.
[1:42:00] Yeah.
[1:42:00] >> Okay.
[1:42:01] >> And sugar heavy foods.
[1:42:02] >> Oh yes. So so that's where the matchick
[1:42:05] comes in analogy comes in. you are
[1:42:07] getting that kick kick back. But in
[1:42:10] these individuals if we do a
[1:42:13] particularly comprehensive blood workup
[1:42:16] okay uh uh which will check for the
[1:42:20] nutrition. So this is the chart which I
[1:42:22] mentioned.
[1:42:22] >> So every ingredient in the chart needs
[1:42:24] to be checked
[1:42:26] and then start making uh first of all
[1:42:30] checking that whether the the child has
[1:42:33] been treated for the symptoms. If they
[1:42:36] are not treated please consider as I
[1:42:39] said earlier
[1:42:41] medications do not consider them as
[1:42:43] enemy consider them as your additional
[1:42:45] coach
[1:42:46] >> okay to support your navigation through
[1:42:48] the difficult terrains
[1:42:51] and then making proactive changes in the
[1:42:55] food habits. Now the parent who has been
[1:42:57] talking about bad food habits, what's
[1:42:59] the status of their own habits?
[1:43:01] >> So true.
[1:43:03] >> Like before
[1:43:05] uh I preach someone I practice myself.
[1:43:07] Okay. And this is I'm a big advocate of
[1:43:09] that I have to preach what I practice.
[1:43:12] So I have like what I have to practice
[1:43:13] what I preach. Sorry other way around.
[1:43:15] So so this is very very important that
[1:43:18] are their own food habits bad? Are their
[1:43:20] own timings of food bad? Okay. And if
[1:43:23] that is the case, fix yourself first
[1:43:24] because then only you will create the
[1:43:26] environment. But not sleep cycle also.
[1:43:28] >> Oh yes. Because you have to break the
[1:43:30] cycle somewhere. So if the
[1:43:32] procrastination because sometimes what
[1:43:34] happens is in particularly in case of
[1:43:35] females and these are the people who are
[1:43:37] of inattentive type. So usually what
[1:43:40] happens is
[1:43:42] they do not have a voice.
[1:43:45] They self soothe their negative emotions
[1:43:49] with food.
[1:43:51] Now that food can lead to eating
[1:43:54] disorders. Okay. In an extreme cases we
[1:43:56] call them as binge eating disorders.
[1:43:58] Okay. Where uh whenever there's a
[1:44:00] stressful happens they have eaten a
[1:44:02] >> tub of ice cream or cookies or some and
[1:44:05] snacks and then subsequently they either
[1:44:07] purge out which means they vomit out or
[1:44:09] they they feel bad about it. So
[1:44:12] certainly
[1:44:13] if the child has uh challenges around
[1:44:16] their academic abilities they need to be
[1:44:18] looked into whether they are actually in
[1:44:20] their true potential or they need to
[1:44:22] change their career. Role of psychology
[1:44:25] will come in that is very important
[1:44:27] whether that habits are there and then
[1:44:30] uh role of dietician and nutrition about
[1:44:32] healthy choices give them alternatives.
[1:44:34] So if you want sweet let's say uh
[1:44:36] there's always a bargain about some
[1:44:39] choices can be done. So once you uh do
[1:44:44] multiple levels of interventions you
[1:44:46] will see a change. Uh so please read
[1:44:49] that book better brain and finally
[1:44:53] focused you will actually get lot of
[1:44:54] answers to your questions because each
[1:44:56] chapter is of the book some of at least
[1:44:59] the finally focused is related to fussy
[1:45:01] eaters
[1:45:02] >> because some some kids will not eat it.
[1:45:04] >> Absolutely.
[1:45:04] >> Okay. And now coming to meditation,
[1:45:07] meditation and ADHD, do you think
[1:45:10] meditation has a role to play uh in ADHD
[1:45:14] treatment also? Good question. Uh
[1:45:19] I will say
[1:45:22] not immediately.
[1:45:24] >> Okay. Because meditation is a calming
[1:45:28] down activity.
[1:45:30] Okay. So
[1:45:34] if somebody has fluorid symptoms
[1:45:37] or some physical health metabolic risk
[1:45:41] factor associated with that
[1:45:48] I said sometimes because sometimes
[1:45:51] people find it hard that we when we say
[1:45:53] meditation we talk about only sitting
[1:45:55] and closing the eyes. You could have a
[1:45:59] walking meditation.
[1:46:01] >> Yes. Yes.
[1:46:02] >> Okay. So, Tai Chi is one of them.
[1:46:04] >> Yes. In fact, Tiknitan recommends that
[1:46:06] contemplative walking is a practice.
[1:46:09] >> Yes.
[1:46:09] >> So,
[1:46:12] Wi-Fi detox.
[1:46:14] Go to a quiet area, quiet place, quiet
[1:46:17] room.
[1:46:18] You can walk barefoot. Sit on a chair or
[1:46:21] some places where you can go, wherever
[1:46:23] you feel comfortable. and listening to
[1:46:27] soothing music.
[1:46:29] >> Okay. Particularly bonal beats. Okay.
[1:46:32] Which are more natural.
[1:46:33] >> Yes.
[1:46:34] >> You know relaxing arm of music is
[1:46:37] sometimes can be very very helpful. And
[1:46:39] once they have uh tried and done those
[1:46:43] things then gradually and they are
[1:46:46] settled down then they can try some of
[1:46:48] the sitting meditation and other things
[1:46:51] like that. But if they can't do it,
[1:46:52] well, you can't do it. But suddenly you
[1:46:54] have to create an environment and how
[1:46:58] you could achieve. But if they are able
[1:47:00] to follow any of the practices which are
[1:47:03] very calming in nature that itself will
[1:47:06] have the benefit same as the
[1:47:08] >> yeah you know I've met some people who
[1:47:10] uh are into diving who are scuba divers
[1:47:14] >> and uh someone once told me that you
[1:47:17] know I like it because everything is
[1:47:18] quiet down there
[1:47:20] >> and you don't have to speak you have to
[1:47:21] signal to each other so so it's all very
[1:47:24] deliberate and only essential
[1:47:25] communication. There's actually a
[1:47:26] documentary asking supercharged.
[1:47:29] >> Okay.
[1:47:30] >> Supercharged. So these are
[1:47:34] people who have problems in their life.
[1:47:37] Okay. One of them had a disability,
[1:47:39] another one had addictions, another
[1:47:41] somebody. So some of these people went
[1:47:44] to do certain activities
[1:47:47] which will make them supercharged. So
[1:47:48] one of them was the cold exposure but
[1:47:50] another one was actually a scuba diving.
[1:47:53] It is again a moving meditation.
[1:47:55] Absolutely.
[1:47:56] >> Absolutely.
[1:47:56] >> You know, so I don't disagree with that
[1:47:57] statement. So watch Supercharged.
[1:48:00] >> Definitely.
[1:48:00] >> It's on Gaia. G A I A.
[1:48:02] >> Yes. Yes. We were just mentioning that
[1:48:04] network. That's a beautiful uh actually
[1:48:07] platform which has all these
[1:48:09] documentaries.
[1:48:10] >> It's a it's a Netflix of uh
[1:48:12] >> meaningful content.
[1:48:13] >> Yes. [laughter] Yes. Uh like uh I would
[1:48:16] say personal development and spiritual
[1:48:18] and personal growth
[1:48:19] >> that are very important. There's another
[1:48:21] book which I would recommend
[1:48:23] particularly for the youngsters. Okay.
[1:48:25] And I'm for those people who are
[1:48:29] preparing for the competitive exams.
[1:48:32] There's a book atomic habits.
[1:48:34] >> Yes. Yes. Yes.
[1:48:35] >> By James Clear.
[1:48:36] >> It's one of the books Dari recommends a
[1:48:38] lot.
[1:48:38] >> One of my favorite.
[1:48:39] >> Do you know the background about this
[1:48:41] book?
[1:48:41] >> No. No.
[1:48:42] >> The author himself.
[1:48:44] >> So I'll give you a background a little
[1:48:45] bit. So James when he was in year 11 he
[1:48:49] was a very bright student. He and his uh
[1:48:51] friend was prepar uh playing a baseball.
[1:48:55] So what happened is the friend was hit
[1:48:59] very hard and like the bat actually hit
[1:49:02] James head. So James was in induced coma
[1:49:05] and he was almost dead. So the whole all
[1:49:09] the chapters of the book is actually the
[1:49:12] lived experience of the author while he
[1:49:15] was recovering.
[1:49:16] >> Wow.
[1:49:17] >> So you cannot have a uh and he has
[1:49:20] talked about it all the practical things
[1:49:23] which could be done. So if you are not
[1:49:25] able to do things follow that okay so so
[1:49:28] it's basically how your psychology can
[1:49:30] change your biology and how and he never
[1:49:33] felt or he has openly acknowledged that
[1:49:37] what I did was for my own recovery but
[1:49:39] now since it has made a big difference
[1:49:41] in other people's life okay and
[1:49:44] certainly very very useful especially
[1:49:47] when your when your morale is down and
[1:49:50] you are not able to do it okay but
[1:49:52] another
[1:49:54] We should have another podcast Rudy
[1:49:56] about
[1:49:56] >> I weekend state very [laughter] often
[1:49:58] but unfortunately you'll miss your
[1:49:59] flight.
[1:50:00] >> It is about about uh brain stimulating
[1:50:04] activities. Okay. So how you can
[1:50:06] biohacking and and fascinating you know
[1:50:09] so I'll leave it for the next time
[1:50:11] because otherwise people will be bored
[1:50:13] but how what are the techniques which
[1:50:16] can be used for retention and how to
[1:50:20] remember and some of these things are
[1:50:22] actually used in brighter minds
[1:50:24] exercises. Okay so those people who are
[1:50:27] >> useful uh like heard about brighter mind
[1:50:30] so some of these exercises are brain
[1:50:32] training exercises. Now if somebody
[1:50:36] youngsters
[1:50:37] uh like music okay I'll just tell you
[1:50:39] one one exercise about it
[1:50:43] those people who play string instrument
[1:50:46] okay like violin guitar sitar we have to
[1:50:49] use the tip of our pulp
[1:50:51] >> yes
[1:50:52] >> okay so if you are playing string
[1:50:54] instrument you are actually forcefully
[1:50:56] using this pulp okay when we are
[1:50:59] forcefully stimulating the pulp of our
[1:51:02] fingertip you stimulate ate your front
[1:51:04] frontal lobe.
[1:51:05] >> Oh.
[1:51:06] >> So even if you don't want to do it,
[1:51:08] >> you can do this.
[1:51:10] >> Wow.
[1:51:11] >> Okay. And again that's finger movement
[1:51:13] exercises of the brighter mind something
[1:51:15] like that. Okay. That's eye movements
[1:51:17] exercises. These finger movements
[1:51:19] exercises all these things are there
[1:51:21] >> and so use that. Okay. So and these are
[1:51:24] all geared towards vagus nerve
[1:51:26] stimulation. So please do a search how
[1:51:29] to stimulate the vagus nerve. Okay.
[1:51:32] Yeah, Daji has talked about it as well
[1:51:34] and that's where I think and so maybe
[1:51:37] we'll have one or two topics for the
[1:51:38] next time.
[1:51:39] >> We we must
[1:51:40] >> that's one of my favorite topics
[1:51:41] [laughter] as well.
[1:51:43] >> Which brings me to what I wanted to ask
[1:51:45] you. How do you get the time to do all
[1:51:47] this research Dr. What's the secret? You
[1:51:49] are treating patients. You are doing
[1:51:51] research in so many different fields.
[1:51:53] It's not like one thing it's nutrition.
[1:51:55] It's uh brain stimulation whatever I
[1:51:58] mean how where do you get this time? I
[1:52:01] will use the quote of Mr. late AP
[1:52:03] Duraihab
[1:52:05] when I was doing my MD I had a privilege
[1:52:07] to organize uh uh group seminar of all
[1:52:12] the preceptors of northern India and Mr.
[1:52:15] Dur came in an official capacity as a
[1:52:18] DGP RPF and he used the word which I'm
[1:52:22] quoting busy people have more time it's
[1:52:24] a lazy people who have less time
[1:52:28] if you are inquisitive you will have
[1:52:30] time [laughter]
[1:52:33] >> so remain inquisitive about a topic try
[1:52:36] to harness it do not leave and that's
[1:52:39] where the atomic habits are very useful
[1:52:41] okay but if you are and pearls are
[1:52:45] always found when you are diving deep.
[1:52:49] >> Okay, take your time.
[1:52:52] Whatever I'm doing is actually last only
[1:52:55] 8 to 10 years. Prior to that, I was a
[1:52:58] traditional psychiatrist and a
[1:53:00] heartfulness practitioner. So certainly
[1:53:03] somehow I felt like that by embibing
[1:53:09] these modalities has made my skills
[1:53:13] outperform and this is what I'm trying
[1:53:16] to educate everyone. It can be done
[1:53:19] achieved but every topic or statement I
[1:53:22] have made it has taken a lot of hard
[1:53:25] work and my perseverance. So
[1:53:26] perseverance is the key you know and
[1:53:29] they always say that an Olympian
[1:53:33] this again a quote of an Olympian
[1:53:37] hundreds and thousands or hours of
[1:53:40] practice
[1:53:43] meet
[1:53:45] opportunity at the crossroad and that is
[1:53:47] the gold medal of Olympics.
[1:53:51] >> Absolutely. You know so it is yes that
[1:53:54] was the day where opportunity kicked in
[1:53:58] but it has been backed up as by
[1:54:00] thousands and thousands of okay and lot
[1:54:03] of diet lifestyle so and there are few
[1:54:06] uh I would say sports celebrities are I
[1:54:09] highly recommend and there's actually a
[1:54:11] documentary game changer about it but I
[1:54:14] always like Virat Kohli and Sunil
[1:54:16] Chhatri who have been very vigilant
[1:54:19] about their diet and their fitness level
[1:54:21] and uh performing consistently.
[1:54:24] >> Yes.
[1:54:24] >> Yes.
[1:54:25] >> Yes.
[1:54:25] >> Amazing.
[1:54:26] >> And Virat has done a podcast about his
[1:54:28] his challenges which made him to change
[1:54:30] what he is today.
[1:54:31] >> I think he's uh he's very uh strict
[1:54:33] about his dad as well.
[1:54:35] >> Yes.
[1:54:35] >> Very strict about his dad.
[1:54:36] >> Yes.
[1:54:37] >> It's been amazing. As you said, I don't
[1:54:39] feel like uh ending this podcast, but
[1:54:42] you have a flight to catch and it's been
[1:54:44] it's been absolutely wonderful. So much
[1:54:47] to learn, so much. And I'm sure this has
[1:54:50] incited that inquisitiveness in so many
[1:54:52] people that interest in so many people
[1:54:55] >> and taking interest as you said is the
[1:54:57] beginning and then everything gets
[1:54:59] changed.
[1:54:59] >> So uh thank you so much Dr. Sab it's
[1:55:02] been absolute joy and pleasure.
[1:55:04] >> I hope it is useful for everyone
[1:55:08] >> and feedbacks from all of you will
[1:55:10] inspire us to do more.
[1:55:13] >> Thank you so much. Thank you so much.
[1:55:14] >> Thank you.
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