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[0:01] This episode of the Oprah podcast is
[0:03] presented by our partner Geico. So, what
[0:07] was going on in your life? I [music] was
[0:08] in a place of deep disappointment when I
[0:11] wrote the book. You want to tell us
[0:12] about it? If you [music] want to see
[0:14] change in your life and in your world,
[0:15] you have to change yourself. But it's
[0:17] easy to say [music] it's hard to do.
[0:19] Transformation doesn't matter if you do
[0:22] something big or do something small.
[0:23] It's just the openness that you need to
[0:25] have.
[0:28] Well, I'm so glad to be with you here on
[0:29] the Oprah podcast. I'm in one of the
[0:31] greatest cities in the world, New York
[0:33] City, and you can feel the energy and
[0:36] the creative force here. Last summer, I
[0:38] read an article on medium.com because
[0:41] the title really caught my eye. It was
[0:43] called How to Create a Life You Love, No
[0:46] Magical Thinking Required. It's by a
[0:48] writer named Jason McBride. And I shared
[0:50] it with my team because I just really
[0:53] appreciated his simple and powerful
[0:55] message that we all have the power to
[0:57] design or build a life that we love, no
[0:59] matter the circumstances, and it's not
[1:02] as hard or complicated as you think it
[1:05] is. So, I said, I think this is a good
[1:08] conversation to start having for the
[1:09] podcast. So, I'm going to talk with
[1:11] Jason a little later on, but my first
[1:13] guest I wanted you to know has done some
[1:16] really bold, daring things. And she says
[1:18] it is never too late. And you are never
[1:21] too stuck. You're never too old. You're
[1:23] never too much or too little because as
[1:25] long as you live, you can always find
[1:29] new things to learn and new ways to find
[1:32] joy. Shondaanda Scott, an award-winning
[1:35] entrepreneur, [music]
[1:37] CEO, and thought leader who spent more
[1:39] than 20 years turning big ideas into
[1:41] action, working on major projects with
[1:43] companies [music] like Uber, Comcast,
[1:45] BET, and Kaiser Permanente, while also
[1:48] creating economic opportunities in
[1:50] underserved communities. Some of
[1:52] Shondaanda's most meaningful work began
[1:54] with a challenge she gave herself back
[1:56] in 2019. For one year, [music] try one
[1:59] new thing every month. Aha, that's an
[2:01] idea. What started as a personal
[2:03] experiment became a lifestyle [music]
[2:06] inspiring her new book, Give Me a Year,
[2:09] 12 New Things to Embrace Change [music]
[2:12] and Live Your Best Life. Welcome,
[2:14] Shondaanda. Great to meet you and have
[2:17] you here. I wanted to have thank you be
[2:18] the first words out of my mouth to you.
[2:20] My mom wouldn't have it any other way
[2:22] that I would sit here and not thank you
[2:24] for using your platform and how you're
[2:26] doing to elevate authors, especially
[2:28] debut authors. That is so noble of you.
[2:31] Well, you debuted in a big way. I mean,
[2:34] give me a year is such a bold idea. And
[2:37] lots of people would say, "Okay, give me
[2:40] a year and I'll, you know, go hike Mount
[2:43] Olympus or give me a year." But you had
[2:46] 12 new things to embrace and change your
[2:49] So, what was going on in your life? How
[2:51] did you come up with this idea? I was in
[2:52] a place of deep disappointment when I
[2:55] wrote the book. I had already started
[2:57] this 12 new things lifestyle based on
[3:00] doing something new each month so you
[3:03] can embrace change in fun exciting ways
[3:04] to get you out of your comfort zone. But
[3:06] that was a fun social media experiment
[3:09] for me that I did with the premise of
[3:11] thinking if you want to see change in
[3:13] your life and in your world you have to
[3:15] change yourself. But that's easy to say
[3:17] it's hard to do. So how do you make
[3:19] something hard to do fun and light?
[3:21] That's where the 12 new things came up
[3:23] from. But then when I was in this deep
[3:26] disappointment, I had an opportunity
[3:28] happen and the door closed immediately.
[3:31] God shut the door right away and I had
[3:33] done everything. I had put everything in
[3:35] place. It was my dream opportunity and I
[3:38] was excited about it. And when it got
[3:40] shut down, I became deeply disappointed.
[3:43] And writing is how I heal myself. So I
[3:45] thought maybe now is time to write the
[3:47] book.
[3:47] >> The fact that you're using the word
[3:48] disappointed and not depressed because a
[3:50] lot of people would say I was depressed.
[3:52] I was depressed. I was depressed. But
[3:53] you recognize now that it really was
[3:56] your sincere, pure disappointment. And
[4:00] it could have been depression if I
[4:01] didn't have the tools of writing. And so
[4:04] writing is how I heal myself.
[4:06] >> I say deep disappointment because it was
[4:08] just I was sad about an opportunity, but
[4:11] it wasn't something life-threatening or
[4:13] earthshattering, but it was hard.
[4:15] >> Want to tell us about
[4:16] >> it was like my dream opportunity. I
[4:18] thought I wanted all my life and I put
[4:20] everything in place to do it and then
[4:23] everything had come to do the
[4:24] opportunity and I probably prayed God be
[4:27] your will or something [clears throat]
[4:29] better for me and literally the door
[4:31] shut and I wasn't ready for that and for
[4:33] me I think it shook me because at that
[4:35] point in my life in my career I hadn't
[4:38] had that level of disappointment so I
[4:39] wasn't expecting to feel the way I did
[4:42] but it kept bothering me and I kept
[4:44] thinking about it and a friend of mine
[4:46] Maya we went to dinner and talked about
[4:48] it and she's like you know things
[4:49] happens doors close and years later you
[4:51] will know and at the same time I'm
[4:53] telling her about how I'm thinking about
[4:55] writing this book and I tell her I
[4:57] decide to write the book to heal me and
[4:59] as I'm writing the book God tells me me
[5:02] sharing these stories are not only just
[5:04] going to heal me they're going to heal
[5:05] other people absolutely as well. So
[5:07] that's where the whole idea came for
[5:09] writing this book.
[5:10] >> And you went on you went on adventures
[5:12] big and small over the course of a year.
[5:16] And what did that teach you, Shondaanda,
[5:18] about yourself?
[5:19] >> It taught me that transformation doesn't
[5:21] matter if you do something big or do
[5:23] something small. It's just the openness
[5:24] that you need to have.
[5:26] >> It taught me also that having these
[5:28] different adventures intentionally make
[5:31] the difference like once a month for a
[5:33] whole year. It gave me the
[5:35] intentionality to continue to pursue my
[5:38] dreams, to find joy even in the midst of
[5:41] turmoil, even in the midst of
[5:42] unhappiness, even in the midst of all
[5:44] that's going on in the world. I could
[5:46] create joy by doing something new and
[5:48] different each month. I love that at the
[5:50] end of each chapter, you really have uh
[5:54] really delightful, helpful exercises.
[5:56] And I am a firm believer in writing
[5:59] things down. Maya always said that words
[6:02] have power. That's why she wouldn't let
[6:04] anybody say anything in her home that
[6:07] she thought was improper. Like somebody
[6:09] was telling a homophobic joke once I
[6:11] Maya Angelou came across the room.
[6:14] Shondaanda across the room and said be
[6:17] gone with you to the people in her home
[6:20] because she said we're and then we were
[6:21] all standing there shocked and she said
[6:23] not in my house because words have such
[6:26] power. I don't wake want to wake up in
[6:28] the morning and find one stuck in my
[6:30] pillow or in my curtains. And so the
[6:33] power of writing things down here's a
[6:35] good one. You write write down your
[6:37] dreams of what you really want to do,
[6:41] the changes you want to see, and in the
[6:43] next five years, places you'd like to
[6:46] visit or you've put off or put to the
[6:49] side.
[6:50] >> You write about that. I'm the same with
[6:53] the firm believer of writing. And in the
[6:55] Bible, it even says,
[6:56] >> "Write it down and make it plain on
[6:58] tablets." Yes,
[7:00] >> it's clear that the writing is how you
[7:02] actually take the dreams out of your
[7:04] mind, put them to paper. It's like in
[7:06] business, writing, if it's not in
[7:08] writing, is not a deal. It's not a
[7:10] contract. So, it's a contract with
[7:11] yourself. But it also gives you the
[7:13] tools to come up with the plan on how
[7:15] you want to approach your dreams. I say
[7:17] five years because what you dream of you
[7:19] would do in five months is different
[7:22] than five years. So, five years allows
[7:23] you to dream big. Yeah. And it's
[7:25] important to dream big as we've seen
[7:28] from your life and everything else in
[7:29] life that if you dream big, the things
[7:31] you can manifest can blow your mind.
[7:32] >> Well, this is what I have found. That
[7:34] phrase I coined about God dreaming a
[7:36] dream bigger than you can ever dream for
[7:39] yourself. You can dream big and then
[7:41] surrender that dream to God's dream for
[7:45] you and it becomes even more massive. I
[7:48] saw this happen over and over and again
[7:49] in give me a year. Actually, this time
[7:52] last year, we were working on the cover
[7:54] of my book and thinking of the title and
[7:57] we came up with the title, give me a
[7:58] year. I think at that point in your book
[8:02] club, you had said this was the first
[8:03] time I did something new.
[8:05] >> After 109 book club selections, [music]
[8:08] I have never chosen the same book twice
[8:11] until now. At Carti's A New [music]
[8:13] Earth, awakening to your life's purpose.
[8:16] >> So, every time somebody does something
[8:18] new, I tag it to 12 new things. that's
[8:20] somebody doing something new. So, I took
[8:22] that picture, a fake copy of my book,
[8:24] the title that I typed out cuz we didn't
[8:25] have the cover yet, and put it on the in
[8:28] the middle of my vision board.
[8:30] >> So, that was a case of writing it down
[8:32] and making it plain.
[8:34] >> Yeah.
[8:34] >> And here we are. And like I said, then
[8:36] God does the rest.
[8:37] >> Yeah. And you know what happens with
[8:39] that? And I know we're going to talk to
[8:40] Jason later who said in his article that
[8:42] he didn't believe in vision boards, but
[8:44] I certainly do believe in the vision and
[8:47] also writing it down, making it plain
[8:49] clarifies
[8:51] for you,
[8:52] >> right,
[8:53] >> what the vision and the desire is. And
[8:55] what I have found is is that God meets
[8:57] you exactly where you are and then
[9:00] expands it for you.
[9:01] >> I agree. And I agree on the vision
[9:02] boards. If you just write a vision board
[9:04] and don't do action around it and don't
[9:06] take accountability, well, no.
[9:09] But if you use it as a fun tool or
[9:11] creativity count then you're willing to
[9:13] do the work
[9:14] >> and the work
[9:15] >> and the work. And this one about fears
[9:17] because I think so many people are
[9:18] controlled by their fears. You say make
[9:20] a list of your fears and things that
[9:22] make you uncomfortable. Start with one
[9:23] fear. Write the steps you would take to
[9:26] overcome it. You have to get it out.
[9:28] Like holding fear in your mind just
[9:32] locks it there. And oftentimes when you
[9:35] write the fear out, you look at the
[9:36] exercises that you want to do to
[9:38] overcome it. You come up with a plan,
[9:40] you realize what you had manifested as
[9:42] this big giant fear really isn't.
[9:44] >> So what was the fear you needed to
[9:46] overcome?
[9:46] >> So my fear was I don't like little bitty
[9:48] planes. I don't care what level of plane
[9:50] it is. If it's small, I don't like it.
[9:52] So I wanted to go to the Maldes as one
[9:55] of my new things.
[9:56] >> Yeah. And
[9:57] >> you can't get there without taking a
[9:58] small plane. And so I had to work myself
[10:01] through because one thing I'm not going
[10:03] to do is let my fear stop me because I
[10:06] know that on the other side of fear
[10:07] there's so many wonderful blessings. And
[10:09] in this case it was the Maldes. So I'm
[10:11] in Chanda. You're not going to let
[10:12] yourself get to the Maldes because now
[10:14] you have this fear of plains and you're
[10:15] supposed to be a woman of faith and you
[10:17] believe but you're going to let this
[10:19] stop you. So I didn't but I did blog
[10:21] about it. I did talk about it because I
[10:23] was scared the whole time because it's a
[10:25] small sea plane that goes to the small
[10:26] D. I thought it at least was low to sea
[10:28] level. I could see the sea. Not that it
[10:30] actually went thousands of feet in the
[10:32] sky. So the whole time
[10:33] >> I thought you you thought you were just
[10:34] going to be skimming the sea.
[10:36] >> I thought I was just skimming the ski,
[10:38] but it worked out fine. I did it and and
[10:41] I've done a few other activities that
[10:43] have challenged me to get over my fear.
[10:45] I like that you write on page 39, find
[10:48] your seat at the table and if there
[10:50] isn't one, pull one up. Or better yet,
[10:54] build your own table. How did you learn
[10:56] how to do that for yourself? So, I'm a
[10:58] fourth generation entrepreneur. The
[11:00] first, my great-grandfather is the one
[11:03] we attribute to the first. He was born
[11:05] into slavery and then and emancipation.
[11:08] He became a developer and a builder in
[11:11] Colorado in the m Rocky Mountains. So,
[11:13] building is in my family. So, the whole
[11:15] entrepreneurial mindset is in my blood.
[11:17] It's in my DNA. But as a business
[11:20] person, a businesswoman now, I'm in
[11:22] rooms. I'm an we do aviation,
[11:24] transportation, construction, all
[11:26] maledominated fields. And I know the
[11:29] value of having a seat at the table. I
[11:31] know the decisions that have to be made
[11:33] and the voices that you bring to the
[11:35] table that aren't there and the
[11:36] importance and value of you sitting
[11:38] there. But then I also know that when
[11:40] you create the table like you do here,
[11:43] invite you get to invite the people, you
[11:45] get to decide what platform and what
[11:48] resources are you going to provide to
[11:49] people in your community and other
[11:50] businesses. So be my parents taught me
[11:54] that part of the developing a business.
[11:56] I watched them grow their business and
[11:58] vicariously you have shown me the same
[12:00] thing. So I'm the firm believer if I see
[12:02] it being done I know it can be done.
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[13:44] And can you speak to because I hear this
[13:46] from so many women and also particularly
[13:49] from so many uh women of color feel this
[13:55] uh imposttor syndrome they feel and
[13:58] we've addressed it several times on this
[14:00] podcast. I personally have trouble
[14:02] addressing it because I've never felt
[14:03] it. I felt I've always felt if God made
[14:06] a way for me to be there, then I'm
[14:08] supposed to be there. I've always felt
[14:10] as what Maya says in her poem to our
[14:12] grandmothers, I come as one, I stand as
[14:14] 10,000. So, I've always felt like, well,
[14:17] I wouldn't be here if I wasn't supposed
[14:19] to be here. But can you speak to that
[14:21] feeling that so many women in particular
[14:24] have about feeling like imposters? Well,
[14:27] if you're at the table in the room,
[14:28] you're supposed to be there. And I also
[14:30] understand if you're at the table in the
[14:32] room, you're supposed to use your voice.
[14:34] And I don't see it any other way than if
[14:37] the same way you see it. That is God has
[14:39] brought you there. You're there for a
[14:41] reason. And you need to you maximize the
[14:43] reason why you're there. I'm very
[14:45] spiritual and prayerful. So I know that
[14:48] everything that God provides for me,
[14:50] every circumstances I've been in has
[14:52] been a blessing. Right? So when I
[14:53] started out in TV, there was no woman,
[14:55] there was no black people, there was no
[14:57] And so, but I thought God made a way for
[15:00] that. And I'm supposed to be here and
[15:03] you just keep going until God takes you
[15:05] somewhere else.
[15:06] >> Until God takes you somewhere else.
[15:07] That's right.
[15:07] >> And look where he put you. So it's so
[15:10] wonderful. And that's how I see. So I
[15:12] really don't have a deep understanding
[15:13] of where people get the imposttor
[15:15] syndrome from. I have the full
[15:17] humbleness that I know that God is
[15:20] working through me. You're obviously in
[15:22] a maledominated field are in many rooms
[15:25] where there's nobody that looks like you
[15:27] and certainly nobody who has done what
[15:30] you've done who is female and also
[15:32] black. So a few things from my
[15:34] experience is that I always tell people
[15:36] I don't see me. I come from the inside
[15:39] out. Like I'm not looking at me, they're
[15:41] looking at me. So when I walk in the
[15:42] room, some of these men are just baffled
[15:45] how I approach them because one, they're
[15:46] probably not used to it. And one, I'm
[15:48] not seeing me. I'm just coming in and
[15:49] what the what the what the issues are we
[15:51] need to deal with. So they are kind of
[15:53] tickled like who is this woman? I don't
[15:55] I but I don't see myself. So I don't
[15:56] even think about how they may be
[15:59] thinking I'm a woman going into a
[16:01] male-dominated field.
[16:02] >> Oh absolutely. I was blessed to have a
[16:05] five women that have done extraordinary
[16:08] things, my mom included, that look like
[16:10] me. So I grew up in a community in
[16:13] Oakland, California at a time where it
[16:15] was 50% African-American. the the my
[16:19] parents helped get the black mayor first
[16:20] black mayor elected there. There were
[16:21] women
[16:24] to see that the blessed assurance
[16:26] >> from watching it in front of you and
[16:29] seeing other women model it for for you
[16:32] that you deserve and have the right to
[16:34] be there.
[16:34] >> So I'm a firm believer that seeing it,
[16:37] it helps other people be it. So I I
[16:40] absolutely attribute that's why I
[16:43] approach it the way I do because I saw
[16:45] other women that they've done
[16:47] extraordinary things. So I always
[16:49] expected that we had to do something
[16:51] extraordinary
[16:52] but what you've done is even been beyond
[16:54] extraordinary whatever we couldn't could
[16:56] have imagined. So it just helped
[16:59] reaffirm it means it can be done. It can
[17:01] be done.
[17:01] >> It can be done. Charlene is joining us
[17:03] from Miami and she has a question for
[17:05] Shondaanda. Charlene.
[17:06] >> Hi.
[17:07] >> Hi. Hi,
[17:08] >> it's such an honor to join this
[17:11] conversation today. Um, so I am part of
[17:16] a huge Filipino family. Uh, we're very
[17:20] close and I grew up thinking that the
[17:22] good life meant being a good daughter,
[17:26] being a good um student, a good partner,
[17:29] a good citizen. And my parents,
[17:32] wonderful parents who put so much to uh
[17:35] raising my sister and me, showed me how
[17:38] to show up for others, but not how to
[17:40] show up for myself because they
[17:43] themselves didn't know how either. So, I
[17:46] focused on following the rules. I did
[17:50] well in school. I pursued a legal
[17:52] career. Um, I tried to make all the
[17:55] right decisions and meet everyone's
[17:57] expectations, but that wasn't fulfilling
[18:00] me as much as I thought it would. One of
[18:01] my biggest aha moments was that for most
[18:04] of my life, I'd been living with this
[18:06] deep unconscious drive to find the right
[18:09] answer and live by that right answer.
[18:13] And that right answer was always based
[18:15] on someone else's blueprint. And when it
[18:18] dawned on me that this is how I'd been
[18:20] living my life, like I sobbed for hours,
[18:23] um feeling so much grief around how I
[18:26] had been living my life until then. But
[18:28] I also felt a huge sense of relief and a
[18:31] profound freedom around I can live my
[18:35] life however I want and that's okay. And
[18:38] so my question is um as I continue to
[18:43] charter um to chart my own path and lead
[18:47] this beautiful life I've been designing,
[18:50] how do I continue doing this for myself
[18:52] and not allow like old patterns and
[18:55] behaviors um hold me back again?
[18:58] >> Thank you. And I want to tell you
[19:00] congratulations because I am a
[19:03] recovering people pleaser and
[19:06] perfectionist. So, I know it wasn't easy
[19:08] for you to just decide that you were
[19:10] going to start putting you first and
[19:13] loving your life the way you want to do
[19:15] it without worrying about what other
[19:17] people think. That is not easy and I
[19:20] understand that. So, congratulations.
[19:23] So, it's a daily thing. Once you decide
[19:25] you're going to claim your life for your
[19:27] own and reimagine it for yourself,
[19:30] >> that doesn't just stay that way. You're
[19:32] renewing every day. The whole part about
[19:34] change is is continuing to go on. Yeah.
[19:37] So sometimes when the old habits come
[19:39] up, there are ways for you, it's an
[19:41] indicator for you to maybe stop and take
[19:44] a pause and reassess. Am I still
[19:46] committed to myself as I said I was when
[19:48] I first made this commitment? Are there
[19:51] some things I need to change? Am I
[19:53] checking in on myself? I think we need
[19:54] to normalize the check-ins on ourselves.
[19:57] I start the day with prayer. I wake up
[20:00] early, so I check in with God. Then I
[20:02] check in on me and then I check on on
[20:04] everybody else. But I if I do it in a
[20:07] way that's it's it's like brushing my
[20:09] teeth and washing my face. It become
[20:11] that I'm I become that dependent on it.
[20:14] Like it's part of my self-care.
[20:15] >> Yeah. It's your daily ritual.
[20:16] >> My daily ritual and I'm not okay if I'm
[20:20] not doing that. And I can actually see
[20:22] that 30 days after I haven't been doing
[20:24] it or a few days I miss I can tell like
[20:26] old things come up or issues I need to
[20:28] look at. So, I think it gives the old
[20:30] patterns allow you to just take a beat
[20:33] back and selfassess,
[20:36] not self-doubt, just self assess and
[20:38] double check to make sure you're good
[20:40] and make sure you're still doing the
[20:42] things that you committed to yourself to
[20:44] continue to do so that your decisions
[20:46] that you are making are ones based on
[20:48] that are best for you and you're not
[20:50] getting caught up in the routine of
[20:52] getting back into doing everything for
[20:54] everybody else and not yourself. So I
[20:57] think the selfch check should be part of
[20:59] a routine that we do and make it normal
[21:02] that that's part of like how you brush
[21:04] your teeth and how you wash your face.
[21:06] All those things were things we were
[21:07] trained to do. So now we just have to
[21:09] train oursel that it's okay to check on
[21:11] me too every
[21:13] >> to self assess and to self-reassess.
[21:15] And it's okay because when you know
[21:18] you're changing a whole story the whole
[21:21] story of your life which isn't an easy
[21:24] thing to do. And that's why we both
[21:25] applaud you for that because that is the
[21:28] most courageous thing you will ever do
[21:29] in your life is to dare to live the life
[21:32] of your dreams and not somebody else's.
[21:34] That's where the real courage comes in
[21:36] for everybody who is a seeker and on the
[21:39] path to fulfill the meaning of their
[21:41] lives. And that takes real work and the
[21:44] old stuff keeps coming up just to show
[21:46] you how far you've come. One of the
[21:48] things that I use in my hiking now, uh,
[21:50] when I'm trying to get to the top of the
[21:52] mountain or the top of the hill or
[21:53] wherever the goal is, many times I turn
[21:55] around and look back at how far I've
[21:57] come. So, you need to also assess and
[22:00] look at how far you've come. Look at how
[22:02] different you are than that girl who was
[22:05] a doormat for everybody else, whose
[22:07] opinions were influenced by everybody
[22:10] else's opinions. And look at how far
[22:12] you've come and gain strength. Cuz
[22:14] that's what you do when you look back at
[22:15] how far you've come. You see, whoa,
[22:18] I'm doing really better than I thought.
[22:21] Look at how strong I am. And that gives
[22:24] you strength and courage to keep moving
[22:27] forward. And that's what we both wish
[22:29] for you. Thank you so much.
[22:30] >> Congratulations.
[22:31] >> Thank you so much.
[22:32] >> Thanks, Charlene. Thank you so much.
[22:33] >> Thank you. I remember years ago I had
[22:35] expert on the show. I think it was uh
[22:38] life coach uh Cheryl Richardson who told
[22:40] our audience to put themselves at the
[22:43] top of their list. And it was so unheard
[22:45] of at the time.
[22:46] >> But you know this as well as I do that
[22:48] as you begin to take good care of
[22:50] yourself and your cup gets filled up.
[22:52] You naturally then want to be there for
[22:54] others. You want to serve others and
[22:56] you're able to do it in miraculous ways.
[22:59] >> And you could hear the women gasp in the
[23:02] audience when she said, "Where are you
[23:05] on the list and you should be first on
[23:08] the list?" Women were like, "Boo boo,
[23:10] she doesn't have children. She doesn't
[23:12] understand." And I said, "People, she
[23:15] did not say abandon your children in the
[23:17] street." She just said, "Put yourself on
[23:19] the list." And now it's 2026 and we
[23:22] still need to learn this lesson. Why do
[23:24] you think that is? Because we've been
[23:26] conditioned for decades to do and think
[23:30] about everybody else and not ourselves.
[23:32] I have a colleague of mine, she she did
[23:34] an assessment. They had her write down
[23:36] everything that she did in a day. In 24
[23:39] hours, she did 25.5
[23:42] things and she wasn't anywhere on there.
[23:45] So theoretically,
[23:46] >> she couldn't have even taken care of
[23:48] herself because every in a day. Wow. So
[23:51] when you think Yeah. It's a wow moment,
[23:53] too, when you think cuz you write down
[23:54] everything in 24 hours. If you don't get
[23:56] it done, that means you're missing out
[23:57] on you.
[23:58] >> But we've been conditioned our as women
[24:00] to think because we're nurturers, so
[24:02] they were able to sell us on now you
[24:04] have to take care of everybody and
[24:06] exclude you. But I think now that more
[24:08] of us understand the health
[24:10] ramifications that are coming from it,
[24:13] the wellness and depression and things
[24:14] that are women are having to struggle
[24:15] and deal with because we're not taking
[24:17] care of ourselves. I think the next
[24:20] generation will do a better job because
[24:22] we're sharing with them
[24:24] >> are what we've learned. We're letting
[24:26] them know it's okay to take care of
[24:28] themselves and they are running with it.
[24:30] They they will take care of themselves
[24:32] first in a minute. You don't have to
[24:33] tell them twice.
[24:34] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's important
[24:35] to take care of yourself, but also be
[24:37] willing to extend some of that care to
[24:39] other people, too.
[24:40] >> Oh, absolutely. And I think there's a
[24:42] part that I'm that I'm the assumption
[24:44] that I've make is that women usually are
[24:47] taking care of everyone else. So, if
[24:50] they take care of themselves, it's
[24:52] they're everyone else is going to be
[24:53] taken care of. It's just the fact that
[24:55] we often don't put oursel first to make
[24:58] sure we're whole before we look out for
[25:00] everybody else. 12 new things that you
[25:02] did to embrace change and live your best
[25:04] life. What What are your top three
[25:05] favorites that you love so much?
[25:08] >> Well, one of my top favorites is I did
[25:10] dinner with 12 strangers.
[25:11] >> With 12 strangers. That was that's my
[25:13] favorite for me because I'm very
[25:15] private, but then also the fact that you
[25:18] realize when you're with strangers,
[25:20] especially in a dining capacity, you
[25:23] often find you have more in common than
[25:25] you have different.
[25:25] >> Yeah. That's a chapter that you wrote on
[25:27] guess who's all coming to dinner. Yes.
[25:29] >> Right.
[25:29] >> Yes. Right. So, so why did you want to
[25:31] do that? Have do a dinner for 12
[25:33] strangers. When the Obamas left office,
[25:36] they started the Obama Foundation and
[25:38] they invited a few hundred people to
[25:40] come to launch it. And at the end of the
[25:43] summit, they had a community dinner. And
[25:46] at the community dinner, those of us who
[25:48] all knew each other, we couldn't sit at
[25:49] the same table. They strategically said,
[25:51] "Everyone has to sit with some." They
[25:53] assigned us literally. And then people
[25:55] were trying to switch numbers. They're
[25:56] like, "No, no, everybody has to sit at a
[25:58] different table." So it made so the the
[26:00] dinner was such a great connection and I
[26:03] hadn't thought about a dinner with
[26:05] strangers before and having it
[26:07] strategically done that way with that
[26:08] intention. We had conversations like we
[26:11] had prompted conversations. One person
[26:13] led the table in discussion and by the
[26:16] end we learned new things about each
[26:17] other but then we realized you know the
[26:18] common factors that we all had sitting
[26:21] together as strangers. So in my mind I
[26:23] felt I want to do this but I'm like how
[26:25] am I going to have strangers at my home?
[26:26] Where am I going to find the strangers?
[26:28] Come to find out for years I have been
[26:31] getting this email that I had just
[26:32] overlooked. But since I had now doing
[26:34] new things and open to it, I got an
[26:36] email from UCLA alumni does a dinner
[26:38] with 12 strangers. They have been doing
[26:40] it for 50 years. Although we all come
[26:42] from the same place of alumni
[26:44] association from UCLA. All of us are
[26:47] strangers. So I agreed to host one as
[26:50] one of my new things. And we all came
[26:52] together. We shared stories. We cooked
[26:54] our meal together. We had different
[26:56] teams of people cooking the meal and
[26:57] then we set ate family style. Some of
[26:59] our stories were similar even though our
[27:01] backgrounds were different. So the whole
[27:03] tagline that I talk about in the book is
[27:04] that we came as strangers and left as
[27:06] friends. And so that exper and I I'd
[27:10] like to do it again next time I want to
[27:11] go as a guest and go to someone else's
[27:13] dinner and be one of the 12 strangers.
[27:15] One of the strangers and one of the
[27:17] strangers was someone that was my
[27:18] neighbor. Then we didn't even know each
[27:19] other. We met at my dinner and she
[27:21] didn't know where she was going. So that
[27:23] was one. Cave diving in the cenotes was
[27:25] one that wasn't on my list, but actually
[27:27] one I would recommend if you know how to
[27:29] swim. And then also my dream trip was
[27:32] Dubai, indoor skiing in Dubai. And I was
[27:34] able to do that as my 12th thing that I
[27:37] did the first year I started doing the
[27:38] 12.
[27:39] >> But what I I think those are all
[27:40] wonderful and adventurous things. And I
[27:42] thought when I read it, I thought, "Oh
[27:43] gosh, this makes me think about being
[27:45] more adventurous. I've always wanted to
[27:47] go to Bhutan. Maybe I'll do that." Okay.
[27:50] But for the people who can't do that, I
[27:53] love that embracing 12 new things to
[27:56] emerge and change and live your best
[27:58] life. Also talks about just going a
[28:01] different way to work,
[28:02] >> right?
[28:02] >> Looking for something different to see
[28:04] on the way to work. Doing something
[28:07] different with your friends. What are
[28:08] the smaller things we can do that would
[28:11] allow us to feel like we've brought new
[28:14] changes into our our our being? Since
[28:17] I'm an adventurous person, of course,
[28:18] adventures going to just go wild with
[28:20] me. It was like we're Aquarians. That's
[28:21] how we are. But I did write the book and
[28:24] use examples of smaller things. Exactly.
[28:26] My first new thing was going a different
[28:28] route to work and how you see a
[28:30] different you see your area differently.
[28:32] And my route was more scenic. So I
[28:34] actually came to work with more peace
[28:36] and grace than if I'm in traffic.
[28:38] >> Even though going that way took you
[28:39] longer.
[28:40] >> Even though it took me longer in theory.
[28:42] Yes. You know, it was a better It was
[28:43] peaceful. So, I probably save time on
[28:45] stress. But there I've done things with
[28:48] my family. We had we had events where we
[28:50] went and found discovering our own
[28:52] backyard. Going to museums that have
[28:54] been in your community for years you've
[28:55] never discovered. Those are fun
[28:57] excursions to do that are often free.
[29:00] Museums are free in your neighborhood.
[29:01] So, I the reason why I love this book is
[29:03] I think if you're reading it for
[29:05] yourself, that's really wonderful. But
[29:07] you talk a lot about friends and
[29:08] friendships and doing things with
[29:10] friends. I think deciding with your best
[29:12] friend or a group of friends to embrace
[29:15] this idea of trying taking on new things
[29:17] is also a wonderful idea. I want to
[29:19] bring in Jason McBride who wrote the
[29:21] article I mentioned how to create a life
[29:23] you love. No magical thinking required.
[29:26] He's joining us from his home in Oregon.
[29:28] Jason, you're the inspiration for this
[29:30] episode. Thank you so much.
[29:31] >> Well, thank you for having me.
[29:32] >> And you write that I built a life I love
[29:35] not through manifestation or magical
[29:37] thinking, but through trial and error.
[29:39] Was there a time you write about in the
[29:41] article when you didn't love your life?
[29:42] When you were a lawyer and you gave that
[29:44] up? How hard was that to give up when,
[29:48] and you just heard our previous guest
[29:49] talking about, you know, doing the
[29:51] things everybody else wants you to do.
[29:53] How hard was that to give up the thing
[29:56] that you went to school for, everybody
[29:58] said, now you're a lawyer.
[30:01] How was that
[30:02] >> possible?
[30:04] It was at to that point it was probably
[30:06] one of the hardest things I'd ever done
[30:07] because I decided I wanted to be a
[30:09] lawyer when I was in high school and I
[30:11] structured my whole life and you know
[30:14] everybody's like was rooting me on and
[30:16] that's like what I was destined to do
[30:19] and uh you know go to college get good
[30:21] grades go to law school get good grades
[30:24] come out start being a lawyer I'm like
[30:25] oh this is horrible this is this is
[30:29] making hurting me inside talk about and
[30:32] I did it for nine years but towards the
[30:33] end. Like I would I would throw up every
[30:35] morning. I'd look at myself in the
[30:37] mirror and be like, "Oh,
[30:38] >> really?"
[30:39] >> And it just reached a point where I
[30:40] realized I can't I cannot physically do
[30:43] this uh anymore.
[30:45] >> How long did you put up with it?
[30:46] >> I practiced law for for nine years, one
[30:49] and a half years.
[30:50] >> And you were miserable the whole time?
[30:52] >> Pretty much. I'm a slow learner
[30:53] sometimes, but [laughter]
[30:55] >> Wow. And so when you started thinking
[30:58] maybe I'll give it up, was there the
[31:01] voice in your head that said, "But you
[31:02] can't give it up. You can't give it up
[31:04] because you went to school for it. You
[31:05] can't give it up because you have four
[31:07] kids. You can't give it up because
[31:08] because because
[31:10] >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. And you know, the status
[31:13] is that's a nice status thing to say,
[31:15] "Oh, I'm a lawyer."
[31:17] >> And uh yeah, we had we had four kids at
[31:19] home and also there wasn't really like a
[31:22] real clear idea of what would happen
[31:24] next. Um,
[31:27] but at some point, yeah, it was just a
[31:28] breaking point with myself like, well, I
[31:31] would like to continue to be here on
[31:32] this earth for my four kids. I want to
[31:33] see them. I want to to love them. And
[31:35] this is not happening right now.
[31:37] >> So, you wrote in that article and Sean
[31:39] and I were talking about this earlier
[31:40] that happiness doesn't come from vision
[31:42] boards or birthday wishes. It comes from
[31:44] taking responsibility for your life.
[31:46] Both Shonda and I believe in vision
[31:48] boards. We've done vision boards. we and
[31:50] they work and but now we also strongly
[31:54] believe in being responsible for your
[31:56] life because she's written a whole book
[31:58] about embracing change and doing 12 new
[32:02] things you know in a year. How did you
[32:04] come to know this yourself? I
[32:06] >> I guess try to me it's always like I um
[32:09] for a long time I I I would have lots of
[32:11] ideas right lots of thoughts and but
[32:14] without doing anything with any of them
[32:16] then then nothing ever happened. So, uh,
[32:19] what I had to come to learn is that, um,
[32:21] I think Charlene was kind of talking
[32:23] about she was living a life on somebody
[32:25] else's blueprint. Yeah.
[32:26] >> Um, I felt like, yeah, I was doing that,
[32:28] too, but I had no I had no idea what I
[32:31] was supposed to do. And so, what I
[32:33] wanted to do, what would feel good to
[32:34] me, so I just had to just try stuff. I
[32:37] didn't even know what I could have put
[32:39] on a vision board because I it was I was
[32:40] just so stuck with what I had been
[32:43] doing. So, I just kept doing things,
[32:44] trying things.
[32:45] >> You had no vision to put on a vision
[32:46] board,
[32:47] >> right? Yeah,
[32:48] >> I got it. You also write that you cannot
[32:50] control much in the world, but you can
[32:52] control three things. And I What are
[32:55] those three things? I think the first
[32:56] one is huge.
[32:58] >> You can control your attitude. You can
[32:59] always control how you feel about
[33:01] things.
[33:03] The second is you can always control how
[33:04] much effort you're going to put into
[33:05] something. And then the third is you can
[33:07] choose to love.
[33:09] >> And coming to those realizations did
[33:11] what to enhance or really change the
[33:15] trajectory of your life? For me, it made
[33:17] me realize, oh, the world is a chaotic
[33:19] place that I have no control over. But I
[33:21] actually can control whether I am living
[33:23] a life that I love or not. That's it
[33:25] doesn't matter if bad things are
[33:26] happening outside or bad things are
[33:28] happening in my life. You know, no
[33:31] matter what who we are as people, bad
[33:33] things happen, but that doesn't mean
[33:35] your life is is horrible or miserable.
[33:38] >> You say in the article, even after
[33:40] you've created a life that you love, you
[33:41] will still have bad days. Having a life
[33:44] that you love is not about having a
[33:45] dream job. the right income or being in
[33:47] a relationship, building a life you love
[33:49] is about learning to be the kind of
[33:51] person you want to be around. Amen to
[33:54] that. You know, there's so much
[33:56] comparison in the world today. How do
[33:58] you
[34:00] get people to see what you're saying is
[34:03] real and correct when everybody's just
[34:06] looking for that picture perfect image,
[34:08] you know, to post and to show and to
[34:11] display.
[34:12] >> Yeah. I I I think what we have to do uh
[34:14] to to be in touch with our real selves
[34:16] is a little bit of try and get out of
[34:18] our own our head and and thoughts. Like
[34:20] one thing I I really like to do is I
[34:21] walk in nature. It's really important to
[34:23] me
[34:24] >> and I'm very easily distracted. And so
[34:26] one of the things that I practice that I
[34:28] have is actually write haiku and uh
[34:30] mostly as a way of to help me focus on
[34:33] what I'm observing in the world.
[34:35] >> You believe that to create a life you
[34:38] love, we also have to be willing to
[34:39] screw up.
[34:40] >> Oh yeah. Yeah. For sure. We're human
[34:42] beings, right? I don't think any of us
[34:43] are going to get it right on the first
[34:45] time. And I don't think any of us 100%
[34:47] know right out of the gate how
[34:48] everything's going to go.
[34:50] >> And none of us know that. None of us
[34:52] know that. Shondaanda, you wrote about
[34:53] this, too. People are so afraid to fail
[34:56] because people have been made to believe
[34:58] that failure defines them and that is
[35:01] it.
[35:02] >> And I found that failure is just part of
[35:04] the process. It's just a misstep.
[35:06] >> Amen to that. In the tens of thousands
[35:09] of words that I have in this book, it's
[35:11] only a sentence. Yeah. When I realized
[35:13] it was just a sentence, a bleep in my
[35:15] life, it doesn't define me. It's not the
[35:17] big picture. It just put it all in
[35:19] perspective to me. Like we put more
[35:21] weight on failure than we even do our
[35:24] successes. And so that we just need to
[35:26] shift and we just need to start
[35:28] encouraging people that failure just
[35:30] part and I don't even want to call it
[35:32] failure anymore. I just say it's a
[35:33] misstep. That's part of the journey. I
[35:34] always say it's God's way of telling you
[35:36] you're moving in the wrong direction.
[35:37] >> And that is exactly what it is, too.
[35:39] You're right. And the whole 12 new
[35:41] things. That's why I created it for
[35:43] people to find ways to embrace change
[35:46] and make it fun because then you'll buy
[35:48] into it. And you'll do it once a month.
[35:51] Ask me to do it every day. I may not,
[35:52] but once a month in 12 months, you can
[35:55] do
[35:55] >> and you'll end up doing probably more
[35:57] than that, but it just makes it where
[35:58] you're always renewing yourself
[36:00] regularly and finding new activities and
[36:02] fun. So Jason, were you able able to get
[36:05] the picture perfect image out of your
[36:06] head soon after leaving the job that you
[36:09] had gone to school for and that you felt
[36:12] was going to give you such prestige? Did
[36:14] that come immediately or did that come
[36:16] with time? It it definitely came with
[36:18] time and sometimes I still not sure if I
[36:20] have have completely shed all that. I
[36:22] like you were saying before, I think I
[36:24] carry a lot of that as a way of maybe
[36:26] looking back and look I can see how far
[36:28] I've come. And I love this idea too of
[36:30] of the the failures just being a
[36:32] sentence um in a book, right? I think
[36:35] that we have this idea that failure is
[36:36] somehow permanent. Um but we can just
[36:39] make a new choice next time.
[36:40] >> Yeah. It's a it's a teach it's a huge
[36:43] teaching tool for a lot of us.
[36:45] >> Uh and sometimes I've said, "God, don't
[36:47] teach me nothing new today. I learned
[36:49] enough yesterday. Please don't teach me
[36:52] nothing new today. I've learned enough."
[36:55] Anyway, thank you so much for that
[36:57] article. It stimulated a new way of
[36:59] thinking about how to embrace life and
[37:02] how to live more fully. Thank you so
[37:03] much, Jason McBride. Thank you so much.
[37:05] >> Great.
[37:05] >> Well, thank you for having me.
[37:06] >> Thank you, Shondaanda. How do people
[37:08] keep the momentum of trying new things?
[37:10] That's why you suggest 12. Let's just
[37:13] start with 12. One a month, right? One a
[37:16] month. And after the first year I did
[37:18] it, I realized, oh, this is not just a
[37:20] year. This is a lifestyle. Like every
[37:22] month you can think of new things.
[37:24] There's tons of new things you're doing
[37:26] that you things that you want to do that
[37:28] you haven't done so you can continue to
[37:29] keep it going. People who are eight 80
[37:33] and older are now finding new things.
[37:35] There's a friend of our that I grew up
[37:37] with. She's 80 years old and she lived
[37:39] on a golf course all her life. Never
[37:40] learned how to play golf. Now she's
[37:42] like, I'm doing my new thing. I'm
[37:43] learning how to play golf. Even in your
[37:45] 80s and beyond, there are things if you
[37:48] are still here, God has you to want to
[37:50] learn. If you're still here, you're
[37:52] still supposed to be doing
[37:53] >> something.
[37:53] >> Something. I love that. Shondaanda's
[37:56] book is Give Me a Year, 12 New Things to
[38:00] Embrace Change and Live Your Best Life.
[38:02] It's available now wherever you get your
[38:04] books. And thank you for listening and
[38:05] watching. My intention is that we're
[38:07] sharing new ideas and tools and that you
[38:10] come up with your own 12 new things.
[38:12] I'll see you next time.
[38:13] >> Thanks, Shondaanda. Thank you.
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