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Stop Waiting: How Fear andMisunderstanding Block Your Best Life

Mel Robbins
Mel Robbins
Sep 7, 2026
11 min de lectura
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There is something you are amazing at. Gary Vaynerchuk has said this to millions of people across decades of public life, and each time he says it, he means it. Not as motivational shorthand, but as an observation about human capacity so fundamental that he has organized his entire existence around it. In a conversation with Mel Robbins, Vaynerchuk returned to this core truth—that people are "obnoxiously more capable of changing than they realize"—and spent an hour dismantling the architecture of fear, comparison, and borrowed shame that keeps most people from discovering what they actually excel at.

What makes this particular conversation remarkable is not that Vaynerchuk offers another remix of inspirational talking points. Instead, he traces the psychological mechanics of stuckness: how fear operates, how the need to be understood becomes a prison, how algorithms reveal who you actually are, and why the chase itself matters more than the trophy. For anyone watching from the sidelines of their own life—waiting for permission, waiting to feel ready, waiting for the world to validate them first—his message cuts through the static.

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The Misunderstood Child as Origin Story

Vaynerchuk begins with autobiography, which is not vanity but pedagogy. He was an immigrant who could not speak English, a student who bombed academically, a boy whose immigrant parents' friends questioned whether his ideas in the family liquor store would ruin the business. By the time he was 25, the world had told him "wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong" so many times that something shifted inside him. He stopped needing the world's affirmation. "By the time I was 25, I had gone through being an immigrant that couldn't speak English, misunderstood...By the time I was 25, I was told by the world that I was wrong, wrong, wrong wrong wrong wrong. And everything was right, right, right, right right. And that made it very easy to live the last 25 years because I had it figured out early."

He is careful to credit circumstance—the serendipity of leaving the Soviet Union, the mother he had, the competitive spirit he was born with. But here is where the teaching begins: that same misunderstanding which breaks some people can become the foundation of unshakeable self-knowledge if you flip how you relate to it.

Why Being Misunderstood Is Your Advantage, Not Your Wound

Mel Robbins identifies the pivot point in the conversation. Most people who feel misunderstood respond by withdrawing, by concluding something is wrong with them. So she asks directly: how do you transform that dragging sense of alienation into propulsion?

Vaynerchuk's answer is almost deceptively simple. Stop needing to be understood. "By not wanting the world to get you," he says. He pushes further: "I'm just confused why you need your spouse to fully understand you. Why you need your mother to fully understand you? Why you need your coworker to fully understand you?"

The logic is thermodynamic. Someone else's subjective opinion of you, no matter how close they are, can never fully know you because they are not you. They are filtering you through their own wound, their own lens, their own incomplete information. A stranger in an Instagram comment has no prayer of understanding who you are. So why organize your life around getting them to?

"By being comfortable with being misunderstood by realizing someone's subjective opinion of you, who is not you, can never fully know you, not even the people that are closest to you." This is not permission to be reckless or unkind. It is permission to stop waiting for unanimous approval before you move.

What Your Algorithm Reveals About Who You Are

Vaynerchuk speaks about consumption with almost religious intensity. "What you consume is who you become," he says. This is not abstract. The algorithm—whether on Instagram, TikTok, LinkedIn, or YouTube—is a mirror of your actual beliefs, your values, your anxieties. If you are consuming comparison content, you are marinating yourself in comparison. If you are consuming cynicism and criticism, you are developing a cynical, critical worldview.

He distinguishes between healthy skepticism and corrosive cynicism. "You were either cynical because you were deeply insecure or you were deeply optimistic because you're incredibly purely confident." This is a diagnosis, not a judgment. Most people listening, he says, are scared. Fear dominates what they do next. The skill to learn is not the elimination of fear—there are unlimited reasons to be afraid in modern life—but the skill of not allowing fear to dominate your choices.

He gives a concrete example. People who are unemployed or looking for a new job spend energy worrying about what employers will think of them, what their parents will think if they fail, what their friends will say. They consume content that reinforces their doubt. They curate a version of themselves for an imagined audience. Meanwhile, people who succeed in these situations simply do the work. They apply for the job, they put their work out there, they tolerate the discomfort of visibility without waiting for the discomfort to pass first.

Peace of Mind Is the Secret to a Rich Life

One of Vaynerchuk's most striking reframes is his inversion of the typical success narrative. He has spent 12 years telling people he wants to buy the New York Jets, and every person in Mel's office believed he would do it. But here is what he actually cares about: "The joy of chasing it is dramatically more delicious than achieving it. I like the practice more than the trophy."

He realized this in his early 20s. He does not live for outside validation. Once you understand that the chase itself is the point—the mastery, the iteration, the compound learning—you are freed from the exhaustion of perpetually arriving at destinations that feel hollow.

"I want for everyone to understand that peace of mind is the secret to a rich life," he tells Robbins. You do not need the car your neighbor has. You do not need your husband to buy you that third property. You do not need to be famous. What you need is to be clear about what matters to you, to pursue it with integrity, and to stop consuming the media that tells you that your life is incomplete because you lack what someone else has.

The Three Words Keeping You Stuck

Vaynerchuk zeroes in on a linguistic pattern. Many people stuck in their lives use these three words: "I'm too late." Too late to start the business. Too late to change careers. Too late to put themselves out there. Too late because they are 35, 40, 45, and other people who are younger have already done it.

He dismantles this with historical fact and present observation. The "too late" narrative is a luxury belief, something people adopt to avoid the discomfort of actually trying. Yes, there will be people younger than you who have done the thing you want to do. There will also be people older than you who are just beginning. The only thing that changes is how much longer you wait.

Why You Don't Actually Want What You Think You Want

One of the most penetrating moments in the conversation comes when Vaynerchuk addresses the gap between what people say they want and what they are actually willing to do for it. Someone will tell him they want to be an entrepreneur, but they are not willing to be criticized. They want to be a content creator, but they are not willing to be misunderstood. They want financial independence, but they are not willing to live below their means while they build.

He gives an example from his own early twenties. He was terrified of what his friends thought, terrified of being judged for the content he was creating. Then one day he simply decided to do it anyway. Not because the fear went away, but because staying stuck was worse. "By doing it. You're looking at a boy who did the thing that scared him most." The fear did not precede the action. The action preceded the shift in identity.

This is the inversion that most self-help misses. You do not need confidence before you act. You build confidence by acting despite the lack of confidence. You do not need to feel ready. You become ready by beginning.

The Funeral Framework: Living With Your Death in Mind

Vaynerchuk advocates for a practice he calls living with your funeral in mind. It is not morbid; it is clarifying. If you imagine yourself at 85, looking back on your life, what would you regret most? Not the failure, necessarily. The regret is almost always: I never tried. I watched other people do the thing I wanted to do. I told myself a story about why it was not possible.

He returns to this repeatedly: "There is something you are amazing at - and the longer you sit around watching everybody else do it, the more it costs you." This is not about wealth or status. It is about the erosion of self that happens when you chronically betray yourself.

The Cost of Comparison

In a media environment saturated with highlight reels, algorithmic amplification of the exceptional, and the constant visibility of other people's wins, comparison has become the default mode. Vaynerchuk is unsparing about its cost. Comparison is not motivational; it is corrosive. It produces cynicism, resentment, and a paralyzing sense that the game is rigged.

The antidote is not positive thinking, which often feels gaseous. The antidote is ruthlessly controlling what you consume. If you follow people whose lives you envy in a way that produces inadequacy rather than inspiration, unfollow them. If you read news that produces helplessness, stop. If you consume commentary that is designed to make you feel stupid or behind, change the channel. You are not being naive; you are being strategic about the inputs that shape your consciousness.

The Uncomfortable Truth About Your Circumstances

Vaynerchuk does not allow for the comfortable victimhood that has become fashionable in contemporary discourse. Yes, your parents may have given you difficult circumstances. Yes, the neighborhood you grew up in may have been economically depressed. Yes, you may have had fewer advantages than someone else. This is all true and completely irrelevant to what you do next.

He speaks from experience: his parents were immigrants with a liquor store. He was not born into wealth or connections. But at a certain point, continuing to blame your parents for your circumstances becomes a choice. It is a way of staying small, of protecting yourself from the risk of trying, of outsourcing your agency to people who may or may not have made good decisions.

The hard truth is this: the only person with the authority to change your life is you. You can honor your parents' journey, understand how they shaped you, and simultaneously take full responsibility for what you build from here.

Building Confidence From the Inside Out

Real confidence, Vaynerchuk suggests, does not come from external validation or from feeling like you have your act together. It comes from a series of small acts of integrity where you do what you said you would do, where you show up even when you do not feel like it, where you tolerate discomfort without needing someone else to make it okay.

There is a story he tells about a moment in his life when someone criticized him harshly. He could have spiraled, could have questioned his work, could have made it mean something about his worth. Instead, he recognized that the criticism was about that person's insecurity, not about him. "When you realize that the person criticizing you is you," he says, "things shift."

This is the shift from defensiveness to discernment. Not all criticism is created equal. Some of it is useful signal. Most of it is noise. Your job is to listen for signal without being colonized by the noise.

Where to Go From Here

If you are listening to this conversation and feeling the weight of all the things you have not yet done, here is what Vaynerchuk would tell you: first, audit what you consume. What media, what people, what voices are shaping your sense of what is possible? Second, identify the thing you are amazing at or could become amazing at. Not what you think you should be good at. What actually moves you. Third, do one thing this week that you have been scared to do. Not something massive. Something real. Tell someone about your idea. Post something vulnerable. Apply for the job. Start the project.

The people who change their lives do not do it because they suddenly feel confident or because the world suddenly validates them. They do it because they decide that the cost of not trying is higher than the cost of trying. They do it because they understand, finally, that their life is theirs to shape.

Transcript

[0:00] Gary, I'm on my way. Today on the Mel

[0:03] Robbins podcast,

[0:04] >> Gary, a conversation that's 12 years in

[0:09] the making.

[0:10] >> Do you understand who you consume? What

[0:12] you consume is who you become.

[0:14] >> Gary Vee is the person who inspired me

[0:16] to start putting myself out there and

[0:18] online.

[0:19] >> My personal mentor, Gary Vaynerchuk, is

[0:22] [music] here. It's time to stop making

[0:24] excuses. I promise you whatever that

[0:26] you're scared of is far less scary than

[0:30] 30 years from now telling some random

[0:32] stranger dot dot dot dot dot

[0:35] >> and change your life right now.

[0:37] >> Kudos to everyone who's listening. You

[0:39] chose to consume some positivity. This

[0:41] is very important everyone. I I feel

[0:43] like I'm on to one here. So So lock in.

[0:47] >> Please help me welcome the one, the only

[0:50] Gary Veaynerchuk to the Mel Robbins

[0:52] podcast.

[0:53] >> I'm so happy to be here, Mel. Thank you.

[0:55] >> You have been an inspiration to me for

[0:58] 12 years. I would not be where I am

[1:00] today without you. And so where I want

[1:02] to start because I'm so thrilled that

[1:05] the person that's with us right now is

[1:06] going to get to be infused with your

[1:09] wisdom, your energy, the lessons from

[1:11] your life, the way you think about life.

[1:14] How might the person who's listening's

[1:16] life change if they take to heart

[1:18] everything that we're about to talk

[1:20] about today?

[1:21] >> They'll become dramatically lighter. We

[1:23] are incredibly capable of making

[1:26] mountains out of mole hills and we focus

[1:29] on dumb [ __ ] until real [ __ ] happens and

[1:31] then we recalibrate. I prefer the person

[1:34] that's listening right now enjoy life or

[1:37] understand life before something bad

[1:39] happens in it. And uh and I'm very

[1:42] focused on that and that's a lot of what

[1:44] my content and my life is about.

[1:45] >> Well, we're going to get into how you

[1:47] actually do that. But before we get into

[1:49] that, I want the person listening to

[1:52] understand a little bit about how your

[1:55] life has shaped you.

[1:56] >> Yep.

[1:56] >> You know what's interesting is I said

[1:58] before you're coming into the team, I

[1:59] said, "I've heard you for a decade say,

[2:01] I'm going to buy the Jets. [laughter]

[2:03] I'm going to buy the Jets." And I said

[2:05] to my team of almost 50 people, "How

[2:06] many people here think he's going to do

[2:08] it?" Every hand went up. And what's

[2:10] interesting is that I don't know if you

[2:13] will or won't, but what is powerful is

[2:15] that your belief that you might is

[2:18] something that other people can catch.

[2:20] >> What's even more interesting on a

[2:23] personal level is the joy of chasing it

[2:26] is dramatically more delicious than

[2:29] achieving it.

[2:29] >> Say more about that. You know, somewhere

[2:32] around my early 20s, I think I realized,

[2:36] oh shoot, I like the chase more than the

[2:39] getting it. I like the practice more

[2:41] than the trophy. I don't live for

[2:44] outside validation. I didn't use that

[2:46] term, but I I realized very early in my

[2:49] life, oh, I'm different. By the time I

[2:52] was 25, I had gone through being an

[2:55] immigrant that couldn't speak English,

[2:57] misunderstood. Um, being a ridiculously

[3:00] bad student, being misunderstood by

[3:03] parents of your friends and teachers,

[3:06] uh, innovating in my dad's liquor store,

[3:08] things that people told my dad would

[3:10] ruin his business if they if he let me

[3:12] do it. By the time I was 25, I was told

[3:15] by the world that I was wrong, wrong,

[3:17] wrong wrong wrong wrong. And everything

[3:19] was right, right, right, right right.

[3:21] And that made it very easy to live the

[3:23] last 25 years because I had it figured

[3:27] out early. And I say that from a place

[3:30] of gratitude, not audacity. Like I I

[3:33] hate the word luck because I believe the

[3:36] world likes to weaponize it as an excuse

[3:39] to why they're not doing their thing.

[3:42] But it is not lost on me the serendipity

[3:44] that got me out of the Soviet Union, got

[3:46] me to the US, gave me the mother that I

[3:48] had, gave me competitive spirit, but

[3:50] also just pure love in my heart. You

[3:53] know, I I'm 50 now. I've watched many

[3:57] young children, nephews, children,

[3:59] nieces, friends, children. Like, some

[4:02] kids are just born with some [ __ ] And

[4:04] then if they're fortunate enough that

[4:05] that those ingredients are cooked

[4:08] properly in the proper restaurant, well

[4:10] then [ __ ] gets crazy. But here's what

[4:12] I'm intoxicated by.

[4:13] >> Tell me

[4:14] >> that if the person watching right now

[4:16] did not have all the best ingredients

[4:19] DNA. Yeah.

[4:20] >> Did not have the greatest chef and sue

[4:22] chef parents were not served in the best

[4:25] restaurant, the neighborhoods and

[4:27] environments they grew up in. What I'm

[4:29] intoxicated by, why I exist in public,

[4:33] is my belief is that people are

[4:37] obnoxiously more capable of changing

[4:40] than they realize. And it's actually

[4:42] shockingly simple and the hardest thing

[4:45] in the world. [laughter]

[4:47] Shockingly simple and the hardest thing

[4:49] in the world. There were so many things

[4:50] that you just said that I want to make

[4:51] sure as you're listening you really

[4:52] heard it because when you started to do

[4:55] the cadence of misunderstood,

[4:56] misunderstood, misunderstood,

[4:59] misunderstood, the majority of people

[5:01] who feel misunderstood start to

[5:02] withdraw.

[5:03] >> Correct.

[5:04] >> And start to say something's wrong.

[5:05] >> Yes.

[5:05] >> So for the person who's listening right

[5:07] now that feels like I suck at school, I

[5:09] just got fired from a job. I want to be

[5:11] I'm so different from my family. I can't

[5:13] find somebody to date that's interested

[5:15] in me or that like I'm misunderstood,

[5:17] misunderstood. And it is like dragging

[5:20] around a lead weight. How do you flip

[5:24] that sense that the world doesn't get

[5:26] you into something that propels you?

[5:28] >> By not wanting the world to get you.

[5:31] >> Say more.

[5:32] >> You know, I'm just confused why you need

[5:34] your spouse to fully understand you. Why

[5:37] you need your mother to fully understand

[5:39] you? Why you need your [ __ ] coworker

[5:41] to fully understand you? The answer to

[5:44] your question, Mel, is being comfortable

[5:47] with being misunderstood by realizing

[5:49] someone's subjective opinion of you, who

[5:52] is not you, can never fully know you,

[5:55] not even the people that are closest to

[5:57] you. So, how could a stranger in the

[5:59] comments of an Instagram post have a

[6:01] prayer of knowing who the [ __ ] you are?

[6:04] By the way, Mel Mafia, uh, that's what I

[6:06] call you guys. Um, I apologize for the

[6:09] cursing. I'm a little bit of a Jersey

[6:10] boy. I'll try to rein it in cuz I know

[6:13] occasionally it allows someone not to

[6:15] hear me.

[6:16] >> I appreciate you saying that cuz there

[6:18] are a lot of people that listen to the

[6:19] car with littles. However, however,

[6:23] it is important that you also

[6:25] acknowledge that that is just who you

[6:27] are.

[6:29] I'm incredibly empathetic to the people

[6:31] that have historically not consumed my

[6:33] content or not followed me because if

[6:35] they in their life genuinely believe

[6:37] that cursing is atrocious and a sign of

[6:40] lack of intelligence or whatever they

[6:42] may think it is.

[6:43] >> I have the humility and the empathy and

[6:45] compassion to understand that. It's

[6:47] funny that I called it out. I tend not

[6:48] to.

[6:49] >> Mhm.

[6:49] >> But I think it comes out of just the de

[6:52] respect I have for you and what you're

[6:54] building and kind of like I know I'm

[6:57] different and you have incredible people

[6:58] on here and I know just like you are the

[7:01] exact human that was built to break

[7:05] through for someone. I know that I'm the

[7:08] exact human to break through for a lot

[7:10] of people right now. And I worry about

[7:13] the seven or nine that won't go much

[7:16] further because of the cursing. Yet, I'm

[7:18] the human on earth that is about to say

[7:20] the sentence or two that fundamentally

[7:23] changes their perspective. And the only

[7:26] thing life is is how you see it. There

[7:28] is no life. There is no real world.

[7:31] There's just your perception. There's

[7:33] just what you bring to the table. You

[7:35] were either cynical because you were

[7:37] deeply insecure or you were deeply

[7:39] optimistic because you're incredibly

[7:41] purely confident. You have your life

[7:44] experiences. You have the things you

[7:45] were told. Most people that are

[7:47] listening right now, Mel, are scared.

[7:50] >> This is something we need to talk about.

[7:52] >> So, when somebody who is listening to

[7:54] you say that the biggest problem right

[7:57] now is that people are scared. There is

[7:59] so much fear. Yes.

[8:00] >> And there are plenty of reasons in life

[8:02] to be afraid. But allowing it to

[8:05] dominate what you do next is really the

[8:08] skill that somebody can learn to flip

[8:10] from cynicism, there's nothing I can do

[8:11] to there's always something I can do.

[8:13] >> Well, there's unlimited reasons to be

[8:15] optimistic.

[8:16] >> Talk to the person who's cynical right

[8:18] now and who wants to be more optimistic,

[8:21] who wants to have courage.

[8:22] >> Stop listening to politicians.

[8:25] [laughter]

[8:26] >> Thanks for having me, everyone. Like

[8:28] that's it, Mel. Like there is nothing

[8:30] else like like do you understand who you

[8:33] consume? What you consume is who you

[8:35] become. One of the reasons I shlept here

[8:39] is because I want to honor you being a

[8:41] human being who I know has fundamentally

[8:44] made it better for people. Like I do not

[8:47] understand how people continue to be

[8:49] confused. There are two ways to build

[8:51] the biggest building in town. One is to

[8:54] just be talented enough to build the

[8:57] biggest building in town and you admire

[9:00] everyone else's buildings, even the ones

[9:02] that are even bigger than yours.

[9:04] >> Yeah.

[9:06] >> The choice that most people take, which

[9:09] is they build a crappy little building

[9:11] and they spend 100% of their time trying

[9:13] to tear down everybody else's building.

[9:14] This is shockingly hard and wildly easy.

[9:19] Algorithms. Ready?

[9:20] >> Yes.

[9:20] >> Gary, you don't get it. You always talk

[9:22] about social media. I'm so mad at you.

[9:24] It's my algorithm. Watch this. Everyone,

[9:26] you want a task at home right now? Open

[9:28] your Instagram or Tik Tok. And when you

[9:30] get a piece of content, politics,

[9:32] politics, negativity, manscaping,

[9:34] whatever, you know, whatever you got,

[9:37] literally click the buttons on the top

[9:38] right corner on Instagram or the bottom

[9:40] right corner on Tik Tok and say not

[9:42] interested.

[9:43] And keep doing that for one day. And

[9:46] then go to search and type in joy.

[9:49] Enter. and then like five or six things

[9:52] that pop up and then go back to search

[9:54] and type in happy and get some content

[9:57] and like and follow a couple things and

[9:58] this is very important. Then go to

[10:00] search and put in Garyve E and follow

[10:03] that account

[10:04] and on and on my friends the algorithm

[10:07] did not change you the algorithm exposed

[10:10] you.

[10:12] >> Oh

[10:14] it's so true. Oh, I know, Mel.

[10:16] >> For somebody who's listening, because I

[10:18] do think that you're right, and most

[10:20] people are in their heads spending all

[10:22] kinds of time either tearing themselves

[10:24] down and coming up with reasons why they

[10:26] can't.

[10:26] >> Correct.

[10:27] >> Or looking around at other people and

[10:28] using it as evidence to see why they

[10:31] can't.

[10:32] >> That's right.

[10:32] >> Or uh spending a lot of time tearing

[10:35] other people down instead of like

[10:36] spending the same amount of time lifting

[10:38] themselves up. Y

[10:40] >> how if somebody who's listening starts

[10:42] to have a moment of reckoning where

[10:43] you're like, you know, I'm kind of sick

[10:45] of this version of myself. I'm kind of

[10:46] sick of feeling like I'm stuck. I'm sick

[10:48] of being jealous of everyone else.

[10:50] >> I am living in a lot of fear. Nobody's

[10:53] going to do this for me, but nobody's

[10:54] stopping me from doing what I'm capable

[10:56] of doing. I'm the one in my own way

[10:58] >> and I'm using excuses at scale. And I

[11:01] continuously go back to my mom [ __ ] up

[11:04] when I was eight. No [ __ ] Sally. and

[11:08] like you're grown now. You're 34.

[11:11] And the the the answer is action.

[11:15] Therapy.

[11:17] Therapy is a good one. Instead of buying

[11:19] dumb [ __ ] to cover up your hurt, why

[11:22] don't you go invest it into therapy?

[11:25] Do you know how many people have BMWs

[11:27] that actually needed to go buy therapy

[11:29] sessions with that money?

[11:31] >> [laughter]

[11:31] >> Please do not use materialistic things

[11:34] to show the world you're good

[11:38] when we all know you're not

[11:41] right Mel. Yeah. You know, do you know

[11:43] why there's such a big consumer world?

[11:45] Like people buy stuff? It's because we

[11:48] use it as proxies to disguise behind the

[11:50] makeup of our materialistic things to

[11:53] not allow you to see what's actually

[11:55] happening. We have a pandemic of keeping

[11:58] up with the Joneses, not because of

[12:01] social media and we see other people

[12:03] with stuff, but because modern parenting

[12:06] left accountability

[12:08] out of the ingredients of the last 30,

[12:10] 40 years.

[12:11] >> Let's talk about that. You have two

[12:13] kids.

[12:14] >> Yes.

[12:14] >> And you're also, for as public as you

[12:16] are, I really respect the fact that

[12:18] you're very private about your personal

[12:20] life.

[12:21] >> Outrageously.

[12:22] >> Outrageously. And I would love to have

[12:25] you talk about this in the lane of

[12:28] accountability because there is a lot of

[12:31] blaming your parents, blaming the

[12:34] circumstances and there are very real

[12:35] circumstances that are very unfair.

[12:37] Correct.

[12:37] >> There's horrible things that happen to

[12:39] people. I do not believe everything

[12:41] happens for a reason. I believe [ __ ]

[12:42] happens. A lot of it's unfair. But you

[12:44] have to find a reason to move on and to

[12:47] grow because other people who've also

[12:50] been in that situation have found a way.

[12:52] And so the question becomes it is not

[12:54] impossible.

[12:55] >> Yes.

[12:55] >> Like that's important. Like to your

[12:57] point there are a lot of atrocious

[12:58] things. What about the fact that 800

[13:01] million people roughly 10% of the world

[13:03] right now cannot get a glass of clean

[13:05] water as we sit here in this room? Like

[13:08] perspective is confused out there. There

[13:10] are people that are have real alcoholic

[13:13] parents, abandoned by parents, foster

[13:15] home, other scary stuff.

[13:18] The problem is it's like it is. I mean,

[13:21] my mother is the most optimistic,

[13:23] joyful, warm human on earth. Here's my

[13:26] mother's story in a nutshell. She lost

[13:28] her mother at 5. Her mother died when

[13:30] she was 5 years old. Her father went to

[13:34] jail for 10 years when she was 9, 10

[13:37] because the Soviet Union is a really

[13:39] [ __ ] up place for the things that I

[13:41] get put on Mel's podcast for, my

[13:44] grandfather went to jail for. Like real

[13:46] [ __ ] right?

[13:48] I mean, that's a tough [ __ ] hand,

[13:53] you know, and yet incredible capacity to

[13:58] choose optimism and is more joyful and

[14:00] optimistic than anyone in our extended

[14:03] families who all quote unquote had it

[14:05] better. And by the way, as atrocious as

[14:07] that was for my mom, there are thousands

[14:09] listening now that had it even worse. I

[14:11] get that.

[14:12] >> Y

[14:13] >> the question becomes when is it not your

[14:16] parents' fault anymore? Let's start with

[14:18] that one.

[14:19] >> Mel, I'm actually asking you. Let's flip

[14:20] it. This is the guaranteed audio

[14:21] experience. At what age? Roughly, you're

[14:24] just one woman. You just have one

[14:25] subjective opinion. There's no right or

[14:27] wrong answer to this,

[14:28] >> but

[14:29] >> let's talk sister, talk to me like we're

[14:31] just walking in the backyard.

[14:32] >> We're we're on a walk.

[14:34] >> Just for fun, a general number. This is

[14:36] just the world obviously incredibly

[14:37] circumstantial. Everyone's life, but for

[14:39] fun. At what age, Mel, do you believe

[14:42] that it is no longer fun or interesting

[14:47] to just keep blaming your parents? At

[14:49] what age are you able to stand on your

[14:51] own two feet and choose who you surround

[14:55] yourself with, what you actually

[14:57] believe, how you limit your interactions

[14:59] with those parents or any other person

[15:02] that pushes negative propaganda 24/7? At

[15:06] what age are you a big girl now? Well, I

[15:10] wouldn't say it's an age. I say it's the

[15:12] moment you decide to pay for your life.

[15:14] >> That's right.

[15:15] >> There is a point of view that has been

[15:17] very helpful to me, which is

[15:19] understanding that people can only give

[15:21] you what they have to give. And people

[15:24] can only provide you with the parenting

[15:28] experience largely based on what was

[15:31] done to them.

[15:31] >> That's right. And a lot of the there's

[15:33] some real evil people out there, but

[15:35] there's also a lot of people that do bad

[15:37] things that don't know what they're

[15:39] doing.

[15:39] >> And we've got to get into a place of

[15:42] what's an inconvenience or a darn it

[15:46] versus a catastro. I mean, what people

[15:48] now deem as my parent [ __ ] me up only

[15:54] 40 years ago was like a skinned knee.

[15:58] I mean, there are people who blame their

[16:00] parents for things that were

[16:02] inconceivable.

[16:04] I mean, like missing one football game.

[16:08] Well, you missed the big game where I

[16:09] threw three touchdowns.

[16:10] >> Well, here here's the thing. Like, your

[16:12] parents did the job that they did. And

[16:16] at some point, you have to take that as

[16:19] a fact and decide what are you going to

[16:22] do next. That's it%. And are you gonna

[16:24] look back with judgment or are you gonna

[16:27] look back with understanding and a bit

[16:29] of compassion and then be an adult and

[16:33] either forgive and have a conversation

[16:36] about it or have some boundaries around

[16:38] it?

[16:39] >> Do you know what my opening line was to

[16:40] VCON 3, my big conference?

[16:42] >> Literally walked on stage 10,000 people.

[16:44] Opening line, f your grandparents.

[16:46] >> What do you mean f your grandparents?

[16:48] >> That was my opening line.

[16:49] >> Why? Because I am so tired of people

[16:52] being so mad at their mom and dad

[16:54] without taking a good look at what their

[16:55] grandparents did to mom and dad. We love

[16:57] little granny because she gives you

[16:59] cookies and gave you five bucks, but

[17:01] meanwhile Grammy screwed up your mom so

[17:03] good that you've spent your whole life

[17:05] blaming your mom. Like at what point are

[17:09] you able to understand it's not their

[17:11] fault either?

[17:14] And now Mel, let's transition the bigger

[17:16] question.

[17:17] >> Okay. What are you doing by verbalizing

[17:20] to everyone in your world that this

[17:23] happened? You're

[17:24] >> keeping it alive.

[17:25] >> Yeah. What are you asking for? You're

[17:27] asking for pity. You're asking for

[17:29] compassion. You're asking for

[17:31] enablement.

[17:32] You're creating a framework of

[17:34] entitlement. You're using it as a weapon

[17:36] to justify why not.

[17:39] Instead of going allin on I'm just not

[17:43] motivated enough right now and I've got

[17:44] to do this or that. Like once you go

[17:48] fully accountable,

[17:50] when you love yourself all the way, but

[17:53] you also have the humility to understand

[17:54] you're a human being and you just might

[17:56] suck at a lot of things. And that's

[17:58] super duper okay. Once you go there, it

[18:01] gets real light. I think what you're

[18:03] you're saying, if I give it back to you,

[18:06] is that what you see in what's holding a

[18:10] lot of people back is so much time and

[18:12] energy spent looking backwards and

[18:14] blaming versus standing in the present

[18:17] moment going this happened. It had this

[18:20] impact on me and and what am I going to

[18:24] do next? What am I going to take

[18:27] responsibility for moving forward now

[18:30] that I've acknowledged what's happened?

[18:32] I get it, but I am an adult now and it

[18:35] is time for me to figure out what do I

[18:37] want with my life. And that's why I get

[18:39] so excit, you know, people make fun of

[18:40] me about how I think about age. Yeah.

[18:42] >> As you see, people probably raz me on

[18:44] the internet like, Gary, I'm 90. And I'm

[18:46] like, you have time. They like these

[18:48] skits. Like what excites me about that

[18:50] is I do believe people somewhere between

[18:53] 25 and 45 in that kind of window can get

[18:57] to this place where they're exhausted of

[18:59] pointing fingers.

[19:02] >> Right.

[19:03] >> It took me to about 47. [laughter]

[19:05] >> Well, actually it was 41 when I woke up

[19:08] and realized nobody is coming to save my

[19:10] ass from this mess that I'm in. Not my

[19:12] husband, not my parents. It is nobody

[19:14] else's responsibility. We're in a

[19:16] gigantic hole. And since I don't see

[19:19] anybody else coming with a ladder, I

[19:22] better stop bitching and feeling sorry

[19:23] for myself and get to work.

[19:25] >> And when you go from even we and I

[19:28] assume you're bringing your husband into

[19:29] that, right?

[19:30] >> Yes.

[19:30] >> And you go into I

[19:32] >> I have to do this.

[19:33] >> Like we is good cuz that's only two.

[19:35] That's better than But when you go to I

[19:37] >> I It's not a we, it's me.

[19:38] >> But I need all you know all the people

[19:40] I'm talking to right now on the camera.

[19:42] I'm like, even if your spouse is the one

[19:43] who's like, "Let's make this invest."

[19:45] Like, what are you going to blame him or

[19:46] her forever?

[19:47] >> Well, I think that's a problem in a lot

[19:49] of relationships.

[19:49] >> No [ __ ] Why do you think I'm bringing

[19:51] it up? I'm going to say it again. If

[19:53] your husband made you buy that third

[19:55] home in South Carolina and it was a

[19:57] flop, or if your wife made you invest in

[19:59] a stock that what are you going to just

[20:01] raz her in perpetuity? What are you

[20:03] going to tell Johnny for the rest of

[20:05] your life? Our life would be better if

[20:07] you didn't make us buy that [ __ ]

[20:08] house in Miami. That's not real.

[20:12] Mel, it's not real. So, what do you do?

[20:14] Because what you're basically saying is

[20:16] you have no idea how much time and

[20:18] energy you spend blaming other people

[20:20] for the state you're in in your life.

[20:22] Whether it's people who have what you

[20:23] want or people that had a lot more

[20:26] privilege and had a better start than

[20:28] you did or it's your parents for the

[20:30] things that they didn't do or that they

[20:31] did do or it's your spouse because

[20:33] they're not showing up a certain way.

[20:35] And you're missing the single most

[20:37] important factor in your life that

[20:39] changes everything, which is you.

[20:41] >> Instead of like like envy and jealousy

[20:43] is driving me crazy. Why have you chosen

[20:47] friends to look at the three people on

[20:50] earth that are in their 20s that are

[20:53] trillionaires or who've spent a million

[20:55] dollars on plastic surgery to look

[20:57] incredible? Why are you choosing to

[20:59] shape yourself up to them? Don't you

[21:02] know there's 8.3 billion other people

[21:04] that you could shape yourself up to? And

[21:06] I'm going to say something nice and

[21:07] slow.

[21:09] If you are capable to be listening to

[21:12] the Mel Robbins podcast, if you are

[21:14] right now capable of having the time,

[21:18] whether you're on a treadmill walking

[21:19] the damn dog at driving to work, if you

[21:23] are a human, by the way, that is maybe

[21:25] potentially doing it on a phone that

[21:27] cost several hundred dollars. If you are

[21:30] even a human that is hearing these

[21:33] words,

[21:35] you have it much better than most of the

[21:36] entire world. So, how about that? How

[21:40] about not w I'm not Timothy Shalamagne.

[21:43] Like, how about 8.3 billion people? How

[21:45] about 800 million people can't get clean

[21:47] water? How about all the truth of the

[21:50] world? How about you do have it better

[21:52] than your grandma had it? How about real

[21:54] [ __ ] How about gratitude? Enough of

[21:57] this envy. There's been so much envy, so

[22:00] much jealousy as if anyone else's life

[22:04] has anything to do with you. And

[22:07] you know anything about their actual

[22:09] real life.

[22:10] >> So true.

[22:10] >> We put all these people on a pedestal

[22:12] and meanwhile that person is drinking a

[22:14] bottle of bourbon tonight cuz they can't

[22:16] deal with the pressure of the world's

[22:18] judgment because their emotional

[22:20] foundation isn't good enough.

[22:22] When are we going to lead into

[22:23] gratitude? Do you think gratitude is the

[22:27] way you flip from blame? Because I think

[22:30] a lot of people are probably leaning in

[22:31] going, "Boy, okay." Like, if you were to

[22:32] just calculate, okay, what are all the

[22:34] things I'm blaming on my childhood?

[22:37] >> That's and it's holding me back

[22:39] >> because you're dragging it with you. If

[22:41] you're still looking backward

[22:43] >> or blaming your spouse or blaming your

[22:45] boss or blaming your daughter who's

[22:47] living the life you wish you were living

[22:49] and you feel like you're doing it for

[22:51] her and no one did it for you. Blame

[22:52] blame blame blame blame blame.

[22:54] [laughter]

[22:55] >> Gratitude. And here's a big one. How

[22:57] about some humility?

[23:00] >> Can we get humility back into the game?

[23:04] Like

[23:04] >> why do people think humility is weak?

[23:07] >> I don't know. I think people think

[23:08] kindness is weak. I don't get that. No

[23:12] [ __ ] Neither do I. Like in this

[23:13] nancond, like taking myself out of the

[23:15] podcast. I'm so happy right now because

[23:17] I'm happy people listen to you. I'm

[23:19] happy people listen to me. I'm happy,

[23:21] you know, people are focusing on all the

[23:23] bad that's out there. There are so many

[23:25] outlets to get good now.

[23:27] >> Yes,

[23:28] >> there's so many. And this is the point.

[23:32] First of all, kudos to everyone who's

[23:33] listening. You chose to consume some

[23:36] positivity. You chose to consume some

[23:39] accountability.

[23:41] You may not know why you like Mel, but I

[23:43] do.

[23:44] >> Why do they like me?

[23:45] >> Cuz they're on the cusp of change.

[23:48] They're in the pregame. I'm excited.

[23:50] Like, literally, I don't know if you can

[23:51] see [laughter] these. I'm pumped for

[23:52] them. They're close,

[23:54] >> right? Yes.

[23:55] >> They're consuming you cuz they're close.

[23:57] >> Yes. And they and and you listen because

[24:02] you sense something that Gary and I know

[24:06] is true that you are capable of bananas

[24:11] extraordinary things.

[24:12] >> And let me say that real quick.

[24:13] >> You can shift your mindset.

[24:15] >> But let me say something about that

[24:16] >> for extraordinary things. Not tens of

[24:21] millions of listeners to your podcast or

[24:23] 33 businesses that you're juggling.

[24:27] The number one thing I have is not all

[24:30] the things you think I have. The number

[24:31] one thing I have is peace of mind.

[24:35] Do you know what I want for everyone? I

[24:36] don't want them to have a blue check

[24:38] mark, Mel. I don't want them to have a

[24:40] million [ __ ] followers. I don't need

[24:42] them to have a top five podcast or big

[24:45] businesses. I need them to have peace of

[24:48] mind. Do you know how many people

[24:49] listening right now should make a lot

[24:51] less money?

[24:55] They're making 240, but they don't like

[24:57] their job. They're living above their

[25:00] means. So, they need their job to

[25:01] continue to pay for their lifestyle of

[25:03] things that bring them no actual joy.

[25:06] And you know what they need to do? They

[25:07] need to simplify their life. We must get

[25:09] out of this materialistic keeping up

[25:11] with the Joneses. Now, listen. I need

[25:14] action.

[25:16] Like, like there's plenty people

[25:17] listening right now that don't need

[25:19] simplicity. I need action. I need people

[25:21] cuz I love them too much. I need the

[25:23] game. I'm too creative. It's like too

[25:25] fun. I'm a city boy. I'm a people

[25:28] person. I love everyone regardless of

[25:30] what their intent is towards me. I need

[25:32] it. Right. But if I didn't, I would no

[25:36] one on earth would know me. I would live

[25:38] in the middle of absolutely nowhere and

[25:39] I would do simple things because I'm

[25:41] comfortable in being who I actually am.

[25:45] >> That is the secret to life.

[25:46] >> Period.

[25:47] >> Are you comfortable with yourself? Are

[25:49] you proud of yourself? Peace of mind

[25:51] means you're not questioning who am I?

[25:54] What should I be doing today? What does

[25:55] this person think of me? That you know

[25:58] who you are. You know your intention.

[26:01] And I think this is really really

[26:03] important because you chase the material

[26:06] thing because you think that if you have

[26:08] the right purse or the right car or the

[26:11] right outfit on or the right house in

[26:13] the right neighborhood or you belong to

[26:14] the right club or you have your nails

[26:16] done the right way that other people are

[26:19] going to think you are a certain person

[26:21] and that

[26:22] >> is going to give you the confidence and

[26:25] peace of mind. It doesn't. It anchors

[26:27] your self-worth in someone else's

[26:29] opinion which you will never control

[26:31] which means you will always be chasing

[26:33] other people's opinions in order to get

[26:35] the validation that you can give to

[26:37] yourself.

[26:38] Yes. My do you know what my great hope

[26:40] is for 2050 to60 is that the

[26:43] advancements of technology actually

[26:45] bring us back to simplicity. I believe

[26:47] this by the way. This is one of my

[26:48] thesis of how it could go. And yeah, you

[26:52] might not have the same car. Your

[26:54] friends with husband might be just much

[26:56] more attractive than yours or whatever

[26:59] it might be. You might be a director and

[27:01] not an SVP in your company. But I can

[27:05] tell you about me, Mel. I the way I view

[27:09] people is 100%

[27:13] based on their humanity.

[27:16] The way I view do I like someone, do I

[27:18] not? Or Mel, this may interest you. This

[27:20] you may not know about me. I am wildly

[27:23] unimpressed, including myself, in

[27:26] people's business accomplishments.

[27:28] >> I really truly believe, and I'm glad

[27:30] we're lasering in on this, that the

[27:33] measure of a person is not what they

[27:36] have, it's how they treat other people.

[27:39] >> The only thing I actually live my life

[27:41] for is my funeral.

[27:44] >> [snorts]

[27:44] >> Let's go here because one of my most

[27:47] favorite things that I have ever

[27:51] seen you do or say. It is a video.

[27:55] You're going to know exactly which one

[27:56] it is as I start to speak. You are in a

[28:00] cab, I believe, and the window is down

[28:02] and you're at a stoplight and a woman

[28:04] runs over and is like, "Gary, Gary, oh

[28:07] my god, Gary, I love you. Um, you know,

[28:09] I need some motivation today. Give me

[28:12] some motivation." and you look out the

[28:13] window and you look at her and you say,

[28:15] "You're going to die."

[28:18] And she's kind of startled and I don't

[28:21] remember the exact words, but it was,

[28:23] "You're going to die. We're all going to

[28:24] die. What really matters is how do you

[28:26] want to live? How do you want to live?

[28:30] And while you're here, and while you're

[28:32] still on this side of the dirt, and

[28:33] while people that you still love can

[28:35] still walk into the room, how are you

[28:39] going to live?" Because you do not want

[28:41] to get to your funeral and go, "God, I

[28:44] wish I had."

[28:45] >> Yeah.

[28:45] >> Boy, I wish I was a better person. See,

[28:48] I am like you. I constantly think about

[28:50] that moment. I want to reflect back and

[28:53] go,

[28:53] >> "I was a good mom. I was like a good

[28:56] friend. I gave it a good run.

[28:57] >> I gave a good

[28:58] >> I gave more than I took. I can I I I I

[29:02] scratched the itches." You know, I

[29:06] I'm very passionate about what I'm about

[29:08] to say. I think we've lost our way with

[29:10] the elderly.

[29:12] I think the last 30, 40 years of

[29:15] technology advancements have made us

[29:17] make fun of grandparents because they

[29:19] don't know how to use OpenClaw or, you

[29:23] know, Instant Messenger or Snapchat. And

[29:26] I think we've really done a disservice

[29:29] to ourselves by misunderstanding

[29:34] what true wisdom is. A hundred years

[29:36] ago, the thought of disrespecting an

[29:38] elder was as foreign as you can imagine.

[29:42] Um, I like tactics sometimes. I got a

[29:45] weird one, everyone. This is a big one,

[29:47] actually. It's a very left field one.

[29:48] I'm I promise you, I've literally never

[29:50] heard anyone else get hot on this one,

[29:52] so I like bringing it up. If you can

[29:55] volunteer five hours to a retirement

[29:58] home in your general area, like

[30:00] literally call them, email them, be

[30:02] like, "Hey, was listening to Mel's

[30:04] podcast." Like super weird, you might

[30:06] think, but like is there any way for me

[30:07] to like give 5 hours?

[30:11] So much good will happen in that 5

[30:13] hours. First of all, a lot of people in

[30:16] those places are quite lonely,

[30:18] >> unfortunately. And really, you're right.

[30:19] you like I see like even saying it like

[30:21] coming out of my mouth I was like and

[30:23] then you're and I know a lot of people

[30:24] just went right it's just the way it is.

[30:27] It's really tough. So that breaks my

[30:30] heart and you would be doing a real

[30:32] mitzvah, a real gift, a real nice thing

[30:34] like talking to a 91year-old woman about

[30:37] her life will bring her in incredible

[30:40] joy of just companionship. But here's a

[30:43] little secret. It's going to do a lot

[30:45] more for you. And let me tell you, as

[30:48] someone who has gone out of his way to

[30:49] sit with people in their 80s on planes

[30:52] and at airports and in random moments in

[30:55] my life,

[30:57] the number one thing everyone listening

[30:59] to this podcast wants to avoid is

[31:02] regret.

[31:04] If anything comes out of this podcast,

[31:06] if one person, if one of you, if one of

[31:09] you

[31:11] decide to do something tomorrow, jump

[31:13] out of a plane skydiving, uh quit your

[31:16] job and become a dog walker and live

[31:18] more humbly, um get out of a toxic

[31:21] relationship,

[31:22] >> yeah,

[31:23] >> get out of regret. Do something

[31:25] tomorrow. Tomorrow. Do something

[31:27] tomorrow. This is probably this you're

[31:30] probably consuming this right as the

[31:32] fall you know the seasons change right

[31:34] everyone in your life and in real life

[31:36] we're coming out of summer like we're in

[31:39] the go time it's September energy it's

[31:41] football season tomorrow tomorrow do

[31:46] something that's been sitting in your

[31:47] tummy for a day a year and most likely a

[31:51] decade Mel and just do it actually I

[31:54] promise you whatever that you're scared

[31:56] of is far less scary than 30 years from

[32:01] now telling some random stranger that

[32:03] looks like Gary that you the worst

[32:06] sentence Mel is three words I wish I dot

[32:11] dot dot dot dot and my great joy

[32:16] is that I don't live that way 400

[32:20] trillion to one Mel

[32:23] >> 400 trillion to one my friends the

[32:27] current scientific I'm no scientist. I

[32:29] got Fs inside. So here goes.

[32:31] >> But what I've been able to consume

[32:33] modern scientists that are way above my

[32:35] pay grade currently have the likelihood

[32:38] of becoming a human being at 400

[32:41] trillion to one

[32:42] >> that you are you

[32:43] >> that you are born. Mom could have went

[32:46] for another glass of wine before it went

[32:48] down and the whole game would have been

[32:50] different and you would not be you. Like

[32:51] it is a it is for miracle is

[32:53] disrespectful to how impossible it is to

[32:56] have a life. So you're going to mope

[32:58] around your whole life. Let me get this

[33:00] straight. You've won the ultimate

[33:02] lottery of the universe of the actual

[33:04] universe. And we've decided we're going

[33:07] to mope and cry about dumb [ __ ]

[33:10] And here's the best part. You don't like

[33:12] it? Go change the room.

[33:17] Right? You don't like it? Change the

[33:19] room. You don't like a relationship?

[33:21] Change the house. You don't like your

[33:22] boss, change the office.

[33:24] >> You don't like your mindset, change it.

[33:26] >> Consume [ __ ] like this.

[33:27] >> Yeah. You don't like what's showing up

[33:29] on social media? Change what you follow.

[33:31] >> The algorithm is exposing who you

[33:33] actually are.

[33:34] >> It's so true.

[33:35] >> And you know, listen, friends, the

[33:38] number one thing that's holding so many

[33:40] of you back is your lack of humility.

[33:44] I'm telling you, you my friends, I'm

[33:45] begging you. I'm like nose to Mike. I'm

[33:48] begging you.

[33:51] Lean into these old school values.

[33:53] Humility, civility, like kindness

[33:55] towards stren like open the door for

[33:57] someone. Smile. Do you know how many

[33:58] people I smile at, Mel?

[34:00] >> Everybody.

[34:01] >> You should see me in an airport. I'm a

[34:02] I'm I'm like si it's like a joke. I I

[34:05] don't even know like you know and now

[34:07] people know who I am. So it was a lot

[34:08] more fun back in the day because you

[34:10] know like no one you're just a goofy guy

[34:12] with a big smile,

[34:13] >> right? And like and by the way a lot of

[34:15] people smile back and they need it. And

[34:16] then I would say this.

[34:19] >> I think people like myself, like you, I

[34:23] believe happiness has done a bad job.

[34:25] Let me explain.

[34:27] I think the last decade unhappiness

[34:31] has been amazing at marketing.

[34:35] That the people that are unhappy are

[34:38] doing a great job. They're taking time

[34:40] to go around the internet, look at

[34:42] people's clips, allow themselves to get

[34:45] triggered, and then leave nasty

[34:47] comments. They're working. It is a

[34:50] full-time job to leave negative

[34:51] comments.

[34:52] >> I believe happiness is doing a bad job.

[34:54] >> I believe there are not enough of us.

[34:56] And Mel, I'm going to say something

[34:57] right now that's really powerful.

[34:59] There's a lot of us, but they're quiet.

[35:03] They are quiet because they're not at

[35:05] the full place yet where they're willing

[35:07] to deal with the ridicule and the

[35:09] judgment for the bigger purpose.

[35:13] I didn't deal with any issues in high

[35:17] school or junior high around trying to

[35:20] fit in. Like I was incredibly well-liked

[35:22] because of how, you know, my personality

[35:24] is my personality. Peer pressure was

[35:26] non-existent. I never compromised my

[35:29] morals or who I was in junior high or

[35:31] high school. I'm definitely not going to

[35:33] [ __ ] do it as an adult.

[35:35] >> So, for somebody though who is crippled

[35:37] by other people's opinions and I

[35:39] remember when I first started putting

[35:40] myself out there online, I was

[35:42] absolutely terrified of what my friends

[35:44] were going to think.

[35:45] >> I was I felt cringey as hell. And it is

[35:50] human nature to post, then to check how

[35:53] many people, then to question what you

[35:54] post, then to go down and you've got a

[35:56] couple likes, and then see who's not

[35:58] liking it, and then look at the one

[36:00] comment that is the weird emoji, and

[36:03] then you wonder what they were actually

[36:05] thinking when they put the weird emoji,

[36:07] and then laser focus on the thing that's

[36:09] negative instead of focusing on the

[36:12] thing that's positive. And I think that

[36:14] habit and instinct to go to what's wrong

[36:18] keeps so many people from leaning in and

[36:21] experimenting because you say Gary life

[36:24] shrinks and expands in proportion to

[36:27] your willingness to take risks and try

[36:29] new things. And for most people putting

[36:32] yourself out there whether it's posting

[36:35] online or changing your career or

[36:37] starting to exercise or starting that

[36:39] Etsy shop is freaking terrifying. Yes,

[36:42] because their entire framework of how

[36:44] they see life is predicated on other

[36:46] people's opinions, everybody but them

[36:49] own selves.

[36:50] >> So, how do you stop caring about what

[36:51] other people think?

[36:52] >> Practice.

[36:53] >> How do I practice?

[36:55] >> By doing it. You're looking at a boy who

[36:58] literally was scared shitless to swim

[37:01] and ride a bike. Like there was a lot of

[37:03] things I was scared of

[37:06] that I think I just got it all out of

[37:09] the system by the time I was 15, 16, 17,

[37:12] 18, somewhere in that range.

[37:13] >> Okay. So for the 57y old or the 27y old

[37:16] or the 37y old,

[37:17] >> let me give you the big one. Parents, if

[37:19] you have a child that gets bad grades,

[37:22] I'm going to say something weird that

[37:24] I'm I don't even know if I'm right,

[37:27] wrong, left, right, but I'm telling you,

[37:30] there's some real value. I see so many

[37:34] people so many people now that are

[37:36] scared right now were too good of

[37:38] students. They drew too much in the

[37:40] line. They get validation from the

[37:43] outside every 90 days from a teacher.

[37:46] A+, B+, A minus. I I think there's a lot

[37:50] there. And so to answer your question,

[37:53] practice.

[37:54] You've got to get used to get ridiculed

[37:57] so much, get judged so much, get pushed

[38:01] back so much that you can't hear it

[38:04] anymore.

[38:07] What's interesting is that if you really

[38:09] think about the stepping up to the line,

[38:14] like I I feel like you and I our the our

[38:18] philosophy in life could be explained by

[38:21] the Nike tagline just do it. And the

[38:25] most people don't understand the most

[38:27] powerful word of those three words. It's

[38:30] just because if their uh tagline had

[38:32] been do it, that's not that inspiring.

[38:34] The just

[38:37] is so powerful because it honors this

[38:41] very human and universal moment of

[38:44] hesitation. You said that the person

[38:46] that's listening right now is on the

[38:48] cusp.

[38:49] >> Yes. I I believe that

[38:50] >> of something. You have gotten up out of

[38:53] the stands. You've been watching a game.

[38:55] You're now standing there on the

[38:58] sideline of the pickup basketball court

[39:01] >> and you are hesitating.

[39:04] That just is an acknowledgment that the

[39:07] hesitation is normal. The hesitation is

[39:12] what you feel right before you push

[39:15] through.

[39:16] >> Can I use that analogy,

[39:17] >> please? This is very important everyone.

[39:19] I I feel like I'm on to one here. So So

[39:22] lock in.

[39:23] If I went on a basketball court right

[39:25] now,

[39:25] >> y I'm a decent little player, but let's

[39:28] say this was just a really high level

[39:29] game and I sucked and the other nine

[39:33] people really went there of trying to

[39:35] make me feel bad about it. There's some

[39:37] there's something in me that asks them

[39:41] in return a very simple question which

[39:43] is like you are correct. You nine are

[39:46] better at basketball than I am. But now

[39:50] I have a question for you. Are you a

[39:52] nicer boy than I am? Are you as good at

[39:55] making money as I am? Do you know how to

[39:58] make social media content as well as I

[39:59] do? Do you understand what live shopping

[40:01] is and how much that can change your

[40:02] nine persons lives today? Why have we

[40:05] gotten into a place where one or two or

[40:08] three things that you're not as good at

[40:10] are eating up all the oxygen? My

[40:13] friends, every one of you is great at

[40:15] something.

[40:16] >> It's true. I had a I have a great friend

[40:18] Nate who was my admin for a long time,

[40:20] my co-founder in Empathy Wines, now

[40:22] works in the golfing industry. He was my

[40:24] admin when I had my son and we got to

[40:27] play tennis a bunch cuz I had a couple

[40:29] weeks off.

[40:30] >> You're a tennis player?

[40:31] >> Yeah, I hack a little.

[40:31] >> I kind of see in whites. Okay.

[40:33] >> So I we would play one sack cuz I'd want

[40:37] to go home back to this to the boy and

[40:39] like d and twice in that summer he was

[40:43] up 51 and I won. came back and won 75

[40:46] and 76.

[40:48] Couple things. One, it's because when I

[40:51] was down 5-1, I started to change the

[40:54] energy of the court. I started to

[40:56] verbalize towards him and to myself.

[40:58] >> What did you say?

[41:00] >> The first time I just started talking of

[41:02] like, Nate, I have a feeling I'm going

[41:03] to come back.

[41:05] Like, it's crazy what verbalization

[41:07] does.

[41:07] >> Yes.

[41:08] >> It And then sports is wild. Life is

[41:10] sports. It's momentum. Right now,

[41:11] people, there's a 39-year-old woman

[41:13] right now listening to this, and it's

[41:15] just not been going well. And literally,

[41:18] one point, aka one action she takes

[41:22] tomorrow changes the whole calculus of

[41:24] the game, and her next 50 years are

[41:25] epic. Do you know how intoxicating that

[41:27] is to me?

[41:28] >> Oh, I love this, too. I love that you're

[41:29] one decision away, one action from a

[41:32] completely different life.

[41:33] >> So, anyway, I beat him.

[41:35] >> Okay.

[41:36] >> And then the second time, I'm just like,

[41:37] Nate, you know, this is about to happen

[41:38] again. And it did for years. when we

[41:41] would be together, I would bring up

[41:44] these two comebacks to raz him a little

[41:47] bit and like boy talk in business

[41:49] settings and different things and he

[41:51] would always eat it. And finally I

[41:53] turned to him and said, "Nate," like

[41:54] after nine times using this on him, I

[41:57] looked at him and said, "Nate, the next

[41:58] time I [ __ ] say that, you look me

[42:00] dead in the face and ask me what my

[42:02] handicap is cuz he's a remarkable

[42:05] golfer. Scratch." and I played nine

[42:07] times in my life.

[42:10] Everybody's good at something.

[42:12] And that something me might be you're

[42:15] just a nice person. And I would argue in

[42:17] Gary Veaynerchuk's scale of life, being

[42:21] a good human is way ahead of 10 million

[42:24] followers and $10 million in cash. And

[42:27] you may not believe me because you don't

[42:29] know me, but that's because you just

[42:32] don't know me. I want to circle back

[42:34] because you told that story for a

[42:36] reason. And the reason why you told that

[42:38] story is because you just gave the tool

[42:41] and the tactic that gets you off the

[42:44] sideline.

[42:44] >> That's right.

[42:45] >> Because as you're standing there,

[42:46] whether the sideline for you is I'm

[42:49] taking the real estate exam, I'm

[42:51] quitting this job. I'm leaving this

[42:53] relationship. I am going to learn how to

[42:55] make money online and do live shopping.

[42:57] Yes, I am. When you're standing on that

[43:01] line and the just do it and the

[43:02] hesitation is building, the only one

[43:06] criticizing you is you. And when you

[43:09] start to smack talk yourself, I'm doing

[43:13] the damn thing. I know I'm scared. I

[43:14] know it feels weird. Watch me make a

[43:16] comeback. Watch me change my life. It

[43:19] changes the trajectory of your life

[43:21] because now instead of arguing against

[43:23] yourself, which is what's creating the

[43:24] hesitation, by the way,

[43:26] >> nobody else in your life is going,

[43:28] "Don't you dare do that thing."

[43:29] >> Of course,

[43:30] >> it's you. It's heartbreaking. Don't you

[43:32] think it's heartbreaking?

[43:33] >> Yes. And let me paint another picture if

[43:35] you allow me.

[43:36] >> Live shopping. Live shopping. Obsessed.

[43:39] >> I know you're obsessed. So, explain what

[43:40] live shopping is. Is it's QVC on on

[43:42] social

[43:43] >> social media. That's right. Not

[43:44] complicated.

[43:45] >> Yes.

[43:45] >> It is. Go on TikTok right now and scroll

[43:47] for a while. inevitably within your

[43:49] first 15 scrolls, somebody is literally

[43:51] instead of a piece of content, there's

[43:53] somebody who's actually live selling

[43:55] normally some chachkas that you don't

[43:57] need. Okay. [laughter]

[43:58] >> But it is Mel exactly where social media

[44:02] was.

[44:03] >> You know, you you said you stumbled on

[44:05] me 14 years ago, so we're talking 12

[44:07] 2012.

[44:08] >> Yes. 2012.

[44:09] >> I had already been making content about

[44:11] social for five full years every day.

[44:13] >> No kidding.

[44:14] >> Social social TV. Yes.

[44:16] >> Yeah. Yeah, Wine Liberty TV was 06. By

[44:18] '07, I'm making content of like you can

[44:20] change your life on social, everyone can

[44:22] do this. YouTube, Twitter, Facebook.

[44:24] Then a year later, I write this book. It

[44:25] comes out a year later,09. That really

[44:28] puts me on where live shopping is right

[44:31] this second is exactly where social was

[44:34] in 2014.

[44:35] >> Okay,

[44:35] >> people know it. We've accepted that it's

[44:38] out there. Y,

[44:39] >> you've heard of it. People know what Tik

[44:41] Tok shop is. People maybe have heard of

[44:43] whatot. People have seen the headlines.

[44:45] Mhm.

[44:46] >> It's not like everyone who's listening

[44:47] is like, "What is that?" Like, they

[44:49] might be like, "What is that?" But also,

[44:50] a lot of people listening right now

[44:51] like, "Oh, I know what that is.

[44:52] >> I know what that is. It's the shop now

[44:53] button. It's this."

[44:54] >> And a lot of people think they've

[44:55] already missed it. Like, "Oh, darn." Or

[44:57] like, "I don't get it."

[44:58] >> Okay, this is a big theme. Now, as

[44:59] you're listening to Gary right now, I

[45:01] want you to pay attention because he may

[45:03] be talking about live shopping. This is

[45:05] what's meant for you. This notion of I

[45:08] missed it. I'm too late. I I I missed

[45:11] the window. Somebody else is doing it

[45:13] now. I can't do it. This There's too

[45:15] many people selling perfumes already on

[45:17] shop shopping. I can't crazy.

[45:20] >> But because of out there, your internal

[45:23] dialogue goes not me. And a lot of times

[45:25] this sounds like I'm too old. I'm too

[45:28] late. There's too many other people. And

[45:31] you're about to say you're wrong. Not

[45:33] only you're wrong, we represent it. I

[45:37] I've been podcasting since 2007. From

[45:40] 200 when was CO 19? from 2014 to 19. I

[45:45] had a top 100 podcast. Mine was

[45:47] different. It was ripping audio out of

[45:49] things that I were doing. And in 2

[45:51] seconds, because you did it better, it

[45:55] didn't matter what how many years of a

[45:58] head start.

[45:58] >> Do you want to know something crazy

[45:59] though, Gary? In 2018,

[46:01] >> Yes.

[46:02] >> I remember seeing your podcast. I

[46:04] remember seeing other people's podcasts.

[46:07] I wanted to do a podcast because I had

[46:10] gotten my start in the media business by

[46:12] hosting a local radio show Saturday

[46:14] mornings here in Boston. You know what I

[46:15] told myself as I'm standing on the

[46:16] sideline watching your ass do your

[46:18] podcast and I'm feeling the just do it

[46:20] hesitation. Oh my god. I said, "Well,

[46:22] Gary's already done it. So, the

[46:23] motivation and the, you know, that kind

[46:26] of thing that I want to do, it's already

[46:28] taken. It would be another 6 years

[46:33] before I stopped talking myself out of

[46:36] it and actually did it.

[46:38] >> How about this? How about in this

[46:40] podcast I said very clearly there are

[46:44] 10,000 listeners

[46:47] that are nice people too and want good

[46:49] for others that actually can do it.

[46:52] >> Of course.

[46:52] >> But you know how crazy that is? Just

[46:55] this listener group, there's 10,000

[46:58] people that can start right now. They're

[47:00] in dead zero. We I'm

[47:02] >> Everybody starts at dead zero.

[47:04] >> No [ __ ] Sherlock. But and in a year

[47:07] they could have a totally different

[47:08] life.

[47:09] >> The actual message to the person

[47:12] listening is there is something that you

[47:16] are on the cusp of. There is something

[47:18] you are amazing at. And the more you sit

[47:21] around and watch everybody else do it,

[47:24] the more you are gonna rot inside

[47:26] because you're not doing anything.

[47:27] >> The more you get your two index fingers

[47:29] and put them in your ears and you can't

[47:31] hear others and you take these risks and

[47:33] do things, the more likely your life

[47:35] will be joyful. You are literally I'm

[47:38] thinking about this woman right now. I

[47:39] could just see her. You're not going to

[47:41] do this [clears throat] because you go

[47:42] on TikTok and you sell something. You're

[47:45] concerned about the looks of the fellow

[47:47] moms when you drop off your junior high

[47:50] daughter because you for some reason

[47:53] value if they think that you're doing it

[47:56] because you don't have enough money or

[47:57] all these

[47:58] >> or you're trying to be an influencer.

[48:00] >> You're stuck in sixth grade. And my

[48:02] thing is when the alpha of your group

[48:05] because you're not comes up to you and

[48:07] says, "Hey Mel, saw your little Tik Tok

[48:10] thing. Like what's going on? Is John not

[48:12] bringing enough money home? you guys

[48:13] need a couple bucks, we're happy to give

[48:15] you a couple of dollars. When she goes

[48:17] there,

[48:18] my brain goes to that basketball game

[48:21] and you say to Susan or Sally McGee or

[48:24] Joselyn, "Hey, Joss, how about X, Y, and

[48:27] Z?" Because the thought that Jocelyn,

[48:30] the alpha that's going to raz you, has

[48:33] everything perfect

[48:36] is insanity. Well, the other thing

[48:38] that's insanity is that you're allowing

[48:41] another person's opinion to stop you

[48:45] from living your life.

[48:46] >> And this goes to regret, Mel.

[48:47] >> And it goes to you're going to die.

[48:49] >> That's right.

[48:49] >> And is the eulogies at your funeral

[48:51] going to be well, she had all these

[48:54] dreams in her heart, but she was afraid

[48:55] of Joseline.

[48:56] >> That's right.

[48:57] >> And so instead, she kind of lived a

[49:00] small thing and didn't take any risks

[49:02] and lived with a lot of regret. And

[49:05] really, you know, at the end, Jocelyn

[49:07] moved on to a different friend group,

[49:08] but she thought a lot about how she

[49:10] should have done it, and then she beat

[49:11] herself up about regret.

[49:13] >> That's right.

[49:14] >> And so, if we've learned anything in

[49:15] this podcast, it's [ __ ] Joselyn.

[49:18] [laughter]

[49:20] I mean, like really though, like

[49:21] friends, when are And again, this is

[49:23] what intoxicates me about being here.

[49:26] You are not choosing as a human being to

[49:28] listen to this podcast over tuning into

[49:31] CNN and Fox and scaring yourself

[49:33] >> or celebrity like interviews or whatever

[49:36] >> or the rec reunion show of like how and

[49:39] by the way all of that's fine like I

[49:41] watch sports like that doesn't mean

[49:44] anything. It's an escapism. It brings me

[49:46] joy. It's a balance to all the other

[49:48] stuff.

[49:49] >> But I know this. If you've decided to

[49:53] listen to this podcast, you're close.

[49:56] You're I I can't get over this. This is

[49:59] what keeps running in my head. I know

[50:00] they're close. I know it

[50:02] >> because I've lived it my whole life also

[50:04] the last 20 years. People that consume

[50:06] my stuff are close to action.

[50:08] >> And here's you want it. Like you don't

[50:10] pass time listening to this. You make it

[50:12] because there is something in you that

[50:15] you know needs to be unearthed. and you

[50:18] listen to this because you're looking

[50:19] for the the encouragement. You're

[50:21] looking for somebody like Gary who has

[50:24] been there and who does this every day

[50:26] to say you can do this, but you have to

[50:29] stop listening to everybody else's

[50:31] opinion. You have to stop letting fear

[50:33] stand in your way. It is about action

[50:36] talk.

[50:36] >> And it's hard. By the way, by the way,

[50:38] listen friends, I know we Mel and I have

[50:40] been like really jamming like a rock

[50:42] band in our garage for an hour on this

[50:44] one thing. Listen to me friends. It is

[50:47] not lost on me on how hard this is. When

[50:50] you are fully bought in to other

[50:52] people's opinions, you've probably been

[50:54] there for 20 to 30 years to just be

[50:56] like, "Oh, yeah, Gary and Mel like like

[50:58] are ranting now and I'm going to do it."

[51:00] It's not quote unquote that easy. And

[51:02] yet it is. And I will say it like I can

[51:06] speak from personal experience. At some

[51:08] point I just jumped in the pool. You

[51:11] know, at some point you're just going to

[51:13] jump. You just are. And I here's my big

[51:16] one. Here's my big one. Tactically, you

[51:19] need to start surrounding yourself with

[51:20] people that are cheering for you to jump

[51:23] in the pool, not making fun of you for

[51:24] not being in the pool.

[51:26] >> How do you do that when in the physical

[51:28] world they're not around you? Cuz I get

[51:30] we get a lot of questions about this. I

[51:31] bet you do. So, how do you build the

[51:34] cheering group online? Yes.

[51:35] >> Ready? When Mel posts on Instagram,

[51:39] reply to other people's replies to her

[51:41] post and start becoming friends. All of

[51:42] you, Mel Mafia, start becoming friends

[51:45] with each other in Mel's comments.

[51:48] Here's what's going to happen. Mel,

[51:49] Sally reads her all the comments from

[51:52] your post. She finds Kristen's comment

[51:54] that she associates with. She replies,

[51:57] "Kristen, I couldn't agree with you

[51:59] more." She also clicks Kristen's profile

[52:02] and looks at her profile and says, "PS,

[52:04] your dog is so cute." Got it. We're

[52:07] putting a little effort into positivity.

[52:09] >> Yes. Okay. Kristen is just a regular

[52:11] good old Kristen. She's not accustomed

[52:13] to people liking her comment and

[52:15] replying to it. She sees it in her

[52:17] notification. She then goes looks. She's

[52:20] on the receiving end of love and warmth.

[52:22] She reads that comment. She looks at the

[52:25] first person's comment and says, "Oh my

[52:27] god, I love your backyard." You know

[52:29] what happens next? One of them DMs each

[52:32] other. You know what happens next? That

[52:34] goes on for a couple of weeks. You know

[52:35] what happens next? A phone call, a Zoom.

[52:38] You know what happens next? They

[52:40] actually meet in person. I love this.

[52:43] Our slogan in Befriend Friends is

[52:44] strangers become acquaintances,

[52:46] acquaintances become friends, and

[52:48] friends become family.

[52:50] I'm obsessed with this. Do you know why

[52:52] I love collectibles and believe it's a

[52:54] huge trend and that it's about to join

[52:56] fashion and sports and music as a

[52:59] lifestyle genre? Because collectibles,

[53:02] you don't need the cardboard of a

[53:04] baseball card that's worth $2 million.

[53:05] It's worth nothing. You don't need the

[53:07] pieces of paper of a comic book that

[53:09] ends up being worth $10,000. The actual

[53:11] intrinsic value is nothing. You

[53:13] definitely don't need collectibles. It

[53:14] is not a necessity. The only necessity

[53:17] about collectibles is community. Do you

[53:20] know why sports works? It's something

[53:22] that's not the most important thing in

[53:24] the world that brings everyone together

[53:27] and we're talking about the same thing.

[53:30] Do you know why music works? You all

[53:32] like you. It's It's tribalism on

[53:35] something that's positive. Do you know

[53:38] what Comic Con looks like? Oh my god. If

[53:40] you wear a Spider-Man outfit and someone

[53:42] else loves Spider-Man, these are two

[53:44] strangers that hug it out like they're

[53:45] long lost best friends. Collectibles are

[53:48] important because when I go to the trade

[53:50] show in Chicago for 4 days, hundreds of

[53:53] thousands of people, we just all like

[53:55] cardboard with athletes on it. Right.

[53:57] >> I want to take this because there is

[53:58] something about your life that you love.

[54:00] needle pointing, gardening, like it

[54:02] could be tractors pulling, it could be

[54:05] anything. People around you

[54:07] misunderstand you.

[54:09] >> You can find a community of people that

[54:11] are in it. And if you put yourself

[54:13] intentionally in it, get up to the line.

[54:15] Just do it. Hesitate. Hesitate. I'm

[54:17] doing it. And you jump into that

[54:19] community. You now feel lifted up.

[54:22] >> Mel, this whole little rant is why I

[54:24] believe social media is the greatest,

[54:25] not the worst. Everybody has become

[54:28] infatuated with talking about all the

[54:30] bad of social. You said something very

[54:32] important to earlier. You said for the

[54:34] people here who can't physically find it

[54:36] around them.

[54:37] >> Yes.

[54:37] >> They were in a neighborhood, all their

[54:39] family members negative Nelly's. All

[54:42] their friend group cynical cats. The

[54:45] fact that they can open their phone and

[54:47] comment in Mel's Instagram posts and

[54:50] find her people. friends, all of you

[54:53] that love this podcast, the biggest

[54:54] mistake you're doing is not interacting

[54:56] with each other in Mel's comments.

[54:59] >> That is a huge gift. Me and

[55:02] >> it's actually the number one thing that

[55:03] I want to happen with content. I want

[55:05] one of the things that's not happening

[55:07] is I want everyone to start using the

[55:09] comments like Facebook groups

[55:12] >> rather than talking to me and commenting

[55:14] to me. Comment to each other.

[55:15] >> Yes. Cuz it's bigger than us.

[55:17] >> Yes.

[55:17] >> What we do for a living is so

[55:19] uncomfortably bigger than us. I don't

[55:22] think it's about me at all.

[55:23] >> Nor do I.

[55:24] >> I want to ask you some rapid fire

[55:26] questions because this is what people

[55:28] when you know people are looking for

[55:31] advice from you online. These are the

[55:32] top things people ask you.

[55:34] >> Okay.

[55:34] >> What's one thing the person listening

[55:36] can do today to build self-confidence?

[55:41] >> Make a video that tells everybody all

[55:42] their shortcomings.

[55:43] >> What? Mel, everything is the last scene

[55:46] of 8 Mile. Eminem's movie. Eminem's

[55:49] movie. 8 Mile. The last scene is a

[55:51] battle rap. Eminem goes first, which is

[55:54] actually a disadvantage in battle rap.

[55:56] So what does he do? He flips the script.

[55:58] He makes fun of himself the entire time.

[56:02] And then at the tail end, he goes, "But

[56:05] I know something about you." To

[56:06] Clarence, I believe the number one thing

[56:10] that most people watching or listening

[56:12] to this podcast should do is make a

[56:14] video and tell the world what they suck

[56:16] at.

[56:20] Wow.

[56:21] >> It is the great liberating piece of

[56:23] content that is sitting on the

[56:25] fingertips of society that no one's

[56:27] doing because once you take control of

[56:29] it, they don't have control of it.

[56:32] >> Oh, the thing you're afraid to say

[56:34] actually owns you.

[56:36] >> Owns your [ __ ] ass. It's your jail.

[56:40] Almost everyone is not posting because

[56:43] of something like that. And almost

[56:45] everybody is not posting because they

[56:47] think there's a perfect thing to post.

[56:50] >> Correct.

[56:50] >> And the only thing to post is the thing

[56:53] you're afraid to say.

[56:54] >> I'm brand new at posting music videos

[56:57] and I'm scared to death to do this. And

[56:59] some of you may think this sucks. And

[57:01] I've been talking myself out of it for

[57:03] 17 months, but here goes.

[57:06] >> And everybody's not posting. And I mean

[57:08] everybody. Almost no one's actually

[57:10] posting. And they're all not posting.

[57:11] You know why? They like their little

[57:13] facade. They're safe in their fakeness.

[57:19] They want everyone to think it's

[57:20] awesome. Johnny and me are doing great.

[57:23] My kids are perfect. Everyone's [ __ ]

[57:25] great. No one's great. And that's what's

[57:28] great. [laughter]

[57:29] Everyone's got something. Gez.

[57:32] >> What's the piece of advice you would

[57:33] give to somebody who wants to start a

[57:36] business? And what's the worst?

[57:38] >> The best advice is are you actually

[57:40] capable? You know, I got scared. You

[57:43] know, I am really one of the proud

[57:44] things I am is I definitely feel like

[57:46] I'm in a very small group of people that

[57:48] made being a business person or

[57:50] entrepreneur cool 20 years ago. It feels

[57:52] really neat, you know, like

[57:53] >> Yeah, you inspired. So, what does that

[57:55] feel like to know that you've inspired

[57:57] millions and millions and millions of

[57:59] people around the world to lean in,

[58:02] start, change your life, start a

[58:03] business?

[58:04] >> Well, you know, it's so funny. You

[58:05] represent something even cooler which is

[58:06] I got to do it so early that so many

[58:09] people came along were inspired by me

[58:11] that have inspired more people than even

[58:13] I did.

[58:14] >> It feels so good. All I want is the

[58:16] world to wake up.

[58:19] >> That's all I want.

[58:20] >> And what?

[58:21] >> And realize it's awesome.

[58:24] >> Like it is. Now it might not be awesome

[58:27] right now because you're $80,000 in

[58:29] debt. Your marriage is falling apart.

[58:31] Like your kid is struggling. It's but it

[58:34] is like this is the brain [ __ ] It's

[58:36] awesome because you have a chance to

[58:38] change it.

[58:40] >> I think the big mistake that people make

[58:42] is thinking that there is some perfect

[58:45] life. There is some life where you're

[58:46] going to be happy all the time and that

[58:48] that's the point of life. And the goal

[58:50] is not perfection or happiness. It's

[58:53] aliveness.

[58:54] >> What's perfect? By whose [ __ ]

[58:56] definition?

[58:58] >> So when you say awesome, life is

[59:00] awesome. I think what you're saying is

[59:02] you don't actually have to feel like

[59:04] it's awesome for you to call your life

[59:07] beautiful and good.

[59:09] >> Mel, the New York Knicks. Do you know

[59:12] how much joy I still feel and most of

[59:14] New York City feels about what happened

[59:16] a couple months ago? Do you understand

[59:18] that the Knicks were losing by 29 points

[59:21] late in an NBA Finals and no team had

[59:24] ever done it before? And guess what? We

[59:26] did. There is someone right now who's

[59:28] down 29 points. down 29 points in the

[59:31] fourth quarter and can win. Do you know

[59:34] how cool that is? Do you know how

[59:35] awesome that is? Everything's gone wrong

[59:38] and one smart decision.

[59:41] But it starts with this is on me. And

[59:44] this is where the politicians have been

[59:46] brilliant. This is where the bosses have

[59:47] been brilliant. And this is where the

[59:49] parents have been brilliant. They've

[59:51] weaponized and manipulated their

[59:54] subjects into thinking they can help

[59:57] them. Mel, do you know what's so really

[59:59] cool?

[1:00:00] >> Tell me.

[1:00:00] >> I don't think I can help anyone.

[1:00:03] >> I do not believe that Gary Vee content

[1:00:05] or me the human can help anyone, but I

[1:00:09] can help them realize that they can help

[1:00:10] themselves.

[1:00:11] >> Correct. So, if someone's looking for a

[1:00:13] job right now, Yes.

[1:00:14] >> whether they lost it or they're in a new

[1:00:16] grad in this market, Gary, what is the

[1:00:18] number one skill that you think they

[1:00:20] should be focusing on?

[1:00:21] >> Making content on LinkedIn.

[1:00:25] >> Making content on LinkedIn.

[1:00:26] >> How about that one? You know why? I'm

[1:00:29] obsessed with optionality.

[1:00:30] >> What does that mean?

[1:00:31] >> Let me explain.

[1:00:33] If you lost your job and you're like

[1:00:35] debating, do I want another job similar

[1:00:38] or do I want to do something on my own?

[1:00:40] If everyone understood what I

[1:00:41] understood, which is LinkedIn is exactly

[1:00:43] the same thing as Facebook and

[1:00:44] Instagram,

[1:00:46] except the audience

[1:00:48] perspective and mentality when they're

[1:00:50] on it is different.

[1:00:52] If you put out content on LinkedIn,

[1:00:54] whether it's about the things you think

[1:00:56] about your industry, so you're an

[1:00:58] executive assistant. Yep. And so you're

[1:01:00] making content on LinkedIn about five

[1:01:01] rules. Hey everyone, it's Susan. I'm in

[1:01:04] between gigs. I've been doing executive

[1:01:06] assistant work for the last nine years.

[1:01:08] Just going to make this video. Five

[1:01:10] things every executive assistant or

[1:01:11] someone getting into it should know

[1:01:13] about the game.

[1:01:14] >> Now, I want to point something out.

[1:01:15] Notice he said, "I'm in between gigs."

[1:01:18] Most people wouldn't say that because

[1:01:21] you don't want people to know that. And

[1:01:23] Gary is telling you saying the thing you

[1:01:26] don't want to say is not a sign that

[1:01:29] you're a loser. It's a sign that you're

[1:01:31] a winner and that you're secure in

[1:01:33] yourself and you're still showing up.

[1:01:35] >> Mel, you're embarrassment is your

[1:01:37] advantage.

[1:01:38] >> What do you mean?

[1:01:39] >> I mean your embarrassment is your

[1:01:41] uniqueness. It's your nuance. It's your

[1:01:43] snowflake.

[1:01:47] I just don't know how people can't see

[1:01:49] this.

[1:01:51] Your unique situation is your biggest

[1:01:54] advantage regardless if the world

[1:01:56] currently thinks it's right. Let me give

[1:01:58] you a big one for me.

[1:01:59] >> Yes.

[1:01:59] >> I pounded against college for a decade

[1:02:02] in my content in the early 2000s and got

[1:02:05] completely [ __ ] on by everyone.

[1:02:09] like he what he's talking about is that

[1:02:10] for a decade Gary was questioning

[1:02:13] >> 2005 7 9 11

[1:02:15] >> do you college is a waste for a lot of

[1:02:17] people do you need to go to college you

[1:02:19] do not need to go to college the world

[1:02:20] is changing

[1:02:21] >> 2007 I'm making a video saying college

[1:02:24] isn't right for and I always was nuanced

[1:02:26] if you're creative or entrepreneurial

[1:02:29] and your parents can't afford to pay for

[1:02:31] it I do not think you should go take

[1:02:34] $120,000 in debt to have a piece of

[1:02:37] paper that I'm projecting in 20 years

[1:02:40] won't matter.

[1:02:40] >> Yep.

[1:02:41] >> And Mel, I got destroyed.

[1:02:44] >> Well,

[1:02:44] >> no, really, Mel. Like, it was probably

[1:02:46] the subject matter that I most got the

[1:02:48] most private and public comment heat of

[1:02:51] for a decade.

[1:02:52] >> Wow.

[1:02:52] >> Gary, you're saying this cuz you were a

[1:02:53] bad student. You suck. You're not smart.

[1:02:56] You curse and you're bad at school. You

[1:02:58] don't have intellect. Blah blah blah.

[1:03:00] >> And then miraculously,

[1:03:02] 15 years later, people are like, "Wait a

[1:03:04] minute."

[1:03:05] And so what I'm saying is if it's your

[1:03:09] truth,

[1:03:10] >> my truth was I thought a lot of kids

[1:03:12] were getting screwed by college.

[1:03:14] >> Yes,

[1:03:14] >> I really but man was I on an island in

[1:03:18] 2007. I'm telling you, I was in a really

[1:03:20] lonely place and I would not stop

[1:03:23] >> because I believed in my soul.

[1:03:25] >> And you think I want to tell the world

[1:03:27] that I sucked at Cander for 20 years and

[1:03:29] was horrible at firing and that there's

[1:03:31] people out there that are still mad at

[1:03:32] me because I pulled the rug from out.

[1:03:34] I'm embarrassed,

[1:03:36] Mel. I don't think all my other success

[1:03:39] hides.

[1:03:39] >> What do you do with those failures?

[1:03:41] >> Adjust. Own and adjust.

[1:03:45] And then, by the way, my friends,

[1:03:49] pay attention to your relationship with

[1:03:51] should.

[1:03:53] My relationship with should is

[1:03:56] remarkable.

[1:03:57] I don't use it.

[1:04:00] I don't think I should have anything. In

[1:04:03] fact, I think if I'm working 15 hours a

[1:04:05] day, let me say this slow and for 3

[1:04:09] years straight, I don't think I should

[1:04:10] have anything because if I'm not working

[1:04:12] effectively or something that's bringing

[1:04:14] value to someone, I should get nothing.

[1:04:20] >> Cause that's tough one. You know, like,

[1:04:22] okay, Gary and Mel, I've been working on

[1:04:24] my podcast for 9 years, 12 hours a day.

[1:04:26] Like, what's up? What's up? As you

[1:04:28] stink.

[1:04:30] >> I'm [laughter] sorry to laugh.

[1:04:31] >> I mean, I don't know. Like it's okay.

[1:04:32] Like by the way, like I stink at a lot

[1:04:34] like like

[1:04:34] >> there's a lot of things I've done that

[1:04:35] stink, which is why I don't do them

[1:04:37] anymore.

[1:04:37] >> Correct. Now we're getting into like

[1:04:39] like are you navigating? How self-aware

[1:04:41] are you? Where's your humility? But I'm

[1:04:43] going to say it again. There's a lot of

[1:04:44] people exhausted

[1:04:46] because they are not realizing how much

[1:04:49] envy and jealousy is eating up their

[1:04:51] soul. I'm going to say it nice and slow.

[1:04:53] as of this moment that most people are

[1:04:55] listening, obviously people will listen

[1:04:56] this years from now, but knowing when

[1:04:58] this is going to air, they just went

[1:05:00] through June, July, and August and they

[1:05:02] got triggered by someone else's

[1:05:04] happiness.

[1:05:06] >> We need to talk about this more.

[1:05:09] I had a moment in my life where I just

[1:05:12] got tired of myself

[1:05:15] >> that

[1:05:15] >> I got so sick of being a person that

[1:05:18] thought life should be different, that

[1:05:20] thought I should have the things other

[1:05:22] people did. that was jealous of people I

[1:05:24] wanted to be happy for. And I realized,

[1:05:28] wait, if I don't like the person I am,

[1:05:31] and if I don't like how I feel, I'm not

[1:05:33] stuck as this version of myself

[1:05:36] >> in the realest way.

[1:05:37] >> I need to change this. If I don't like

[1:05:39] the way my life feels,

[1:05:41] >> even in the most competitive place I am

[1:05:42] as a professional, like I do business

[1:05:45] the way like athletes do athlete.

[1:05:46] >> I know. I love that about you.

[1:05:48] >> You know, like they're like in real life

[1:05:49] they're very sweet, but when they get on

[1:05:50] the field, they want to crush. Yes, even

[1:05:53] in my most competitive domain, my

[1:05:55] professional career, if you knew how

[1:05:58] much joy I have for people that are

[1:06:01] seemingly on paper competing with me

[1:06:03] when they are winning,

[1:06:05] what many of my contemporaries view as

[1:06:07] coming out of them, it does not even

[1:06:10] register. I could not be happier for

[1:06:13] people that pass me in following count,

[1:06:15] pass me in financial status, pass me in

[1:06:17] listener account. I could not be more

[1:06:20] happy for all of you.

[1:06:23] >> Why?

[1:06:24] >> Cuz the world is abundant and your joy

[1:06:26] has nothing to do with me. My joy is my

[1:06:29] joy and your joy is your joy. And

[1:06:31] friends, there's unlimited stuff.

[1:06:33] There's unlimited happiness. There's

[1:06:35] unlimited love. There's unlimited joy.

[1:06:37] There's unlimited materialistic things.

[1:06:40] And just like no one's taking out of

[1:06:42] you, you're taking out of you. If this

[1:06:45] were the last thing that you could share

[1:06:49] with somebody, the one message that you

[1:06:52] wanted the person who's been listening

[1:06:54] to this to remember, what would it be?

[1:06:56] >> Then nothing in the end, in the end,

[1:06:59] none of the [ __ ] that you're worried

[1:07:00] about is going to actually matter. So,

[1:07:02] if that is true, and guess what? I know

[1:07:04] everyone knows I'm right. Then why not

[1:07:07] start living your life that way right

[1:07:08] this second?

[1:07:10] >> What are your parting words?

[1:07:12] [sighs and gasps]

[1:07:13] that life can be so much better than the

[1:07:15] way it is right now. I think there's a

[1:07:16] confusion in the system. I really,

[1:07:18] really love you. And it's time you love

[1:07:20] yourself,

[1:07:22] >> Gary. I really love you. I do. And I

[1:07:28] know you don't do a lot of interviews.

[1:07:30] And so the fact that you wanted to be

[1:07:32] here, that you made the time to be here,

[1:07:34] um the that you did that both for me as

[1:07:41] somebody who I truly when I tell you

[1:07:43] this, I am where I am in my life because

[1:07:47] of the content that you put out and the

[1:07:49] message that you put out and the way

[1:07:50] that you've changed the way that I

[1:07:52] think. And I really have always felt in

[1:07:56] everything that you've done that there

[1:07:58] is this incredible combination of

[1:08:01] ambition and confidence and fun and

[1:08:05] business and go and build and chase and

[1:08:08] how [ __ ] cool is this and at the same

[1:08:11] time this humble connected

[1:08:15] profound understanding of what is true

[1:08:19] in life. and I feel like

[1:08:24] you are a twin flame and a huge bright

[1:08:27] light and I just want to thank you for

[1:08:30] truly changing my life and inspiring me.

[1:08:34] >> Um that is incredibly humbling and you

[1:08:37] know to me it honors what I most believe

[1:08:41] in the world that is so much bigger than

[1:08:43] me which is like this is real. There is

[1:08:46] so much right now. The world is very

[1:08:48] confused that hate is winning. My

[1:08:50] friends, hate's in trouble.

[1:08:52] Love is always lurking, you know, and

[1:08:56] I'm really just in uncomfortably proud

[1:08:58] of you. And more importantly, in this

[1:09:00] moment, there's just a lot of people

[1:09:02] listening that are on the cusp.

[1:09:04] >> I am I am so proud and pumped for you,

[1:09:09] but I am here strictly because I know

[1:09:11] one person's ready to tip. And I know

[1:09:13] our combination

[1:09:16] today will do that.

[1:09:17] >> Well, Gary Vee, I love you.

[1:09:19] >> I love you back.

[1:09:20] >> Thank you for coming here and partnering

[1:09:22] with me on behalf of the person who

[1:09:24] spent all this time with us. And I just

[1:09:26] want to say to you, thank you for making

[1:09:28] the time to be with me and Gary. Go

[1:09:31] follow him. Go comment with the other

[1:09:33] people in the comments for God's sakes.

[1:09:35] And get off the damn line and get into

[1:09:37] the game. Your life depends on it. in

[1:09:40] case nobody else tells you. As your

[1:09:42] friend, I'm going to be sure to remind

[1:09:43] you that I love you. I know Gary loves

[1:09:45] you. And we [music] both believe in your

[1:09:47] ability to create a better life. Now, go

[1:09:49] [ __ ] do it. [laughter]

[1:09:53] So, go [ __ ] do it. And before you do

[1:09:55] that though, I just want to thank you.

[1:09:57] Thank you for watching all the way to

[1:09:58] the end here on YouTube. Thank you for

[1:10:00] being generous. This was Gary at his

[1:10:04] [music] best. This was so profound. This

[1:10:06] is a gift that you can share with

[1:10:08] everybody in your family. So, I hope you

[1:10:10] will. And if that subscribe button is

[1:10:11] lit up, Gary will yell at me if I do not

[1:10:13] do the best practice and say the best

[1:10:16] way to support me for supporting you,

[1:10:17] hit subscribe. That way, you don't miss

[1:10:20] a thing. And it also tells us you

[1:10:22] freaking love what we're doing here

[1:10:24] because we love you. All right, how are

[1:10:27] we going to beat that episode? Because

[1:10:28] that was amazing. I know you want to see

[1:10:30] another one. Check out this episode of

[1:10:32] the Mel Robbins Podcast. You're going to

[1:10:33] love it.

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