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Yoga for Collective Liberation: From Courtroom to Breath

Itzel Hayward
Itzel Hayward
Jan 28, 2026
8 min de lectura

De Coco's Sanctuary

Ver · 6

Two feet on the floor. Eyes softened, or closed if that feels better. The breath is not being fixed or improved, only noticed: where does it register most clearly, in the rise of the chest, the cool edge of the inhale at the nostrils, the faint sound of air leaving the body? That is how a conversation about spirituality and social justice opens in the Coco's Sanctuary episode "Yoga for Collective Liberation," with yoga teacher and life coach Itzel Hayward guiding listeners through a short breath practice before the host asks her to talk about the road that brought her there. The episode ends the same way it begins, with a silent wish that all beings know peace, and in between Hayward traces a path that moves from the adversarial machinery of the courtroom toward a question she keeps returning to: how do you respond to harm without adding to it? This piece follows that arc, from the lawyer's desk to the meditation cushion, and draws out the ideas that make the journey worth hearing.

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What does a breath practice have to do with justice work?

Hayward does not treat the breath as a retreat from the world. Early in the conversation she offers a practice she uses whenever she notices herself feeling "disconnected or discombobulated or just not present" (Rooted in Love, around 3:00). Her instructions are plain. Let the breath happen without changing it. Notice where it is most distinct. Then set an intention to come back to it at different points during the day, simply noticing that you are here.

The reason this matters to her becomes clearer when she talks about the speed of modern life. "Colonization, capitalism, all that is by design to keep us so busy, so worried, so distracted," she says, and so a practice has to be deliberate if it is going to hold up against that pressure. In her framing, the return to the breath is not self-absorption. It is the precondition for seeing the people in front of you and asking how you can be of service. "We can only do that if we're here," she tells the host.

The host frames the whole episode around a single question: what practice lets you stay rooted in love when there seems to be so little of it around? Hayward's answer begins with a definition. For her, love is a non-judgmental awareness brought to the people and experiences around her, a kind of attention that allows her to be fully present. She calls that presence "love in action." It is a useful phrase because it moves love out of sentiment and into conduct, and conduct is exactly what her earlier career was about.

How did a lawyer end up teaching yoga?

Hayward is direct about the first half of her working life. She practiced law for about 13 years in San Francisco, and she is clear that she loved the work. She worked in several settings, but the common thread was support for low-income communities of color in California, particularly in regulatory roles. She describes helping to prosecute unethical attorneys who were targeting limited English speakers, and she says she was proud of the organizations and people she worked alongside.

The turn came from inside that success. She reached a point where she felt something fundamental needed challenging about the justice system itself. What she saw was a conflict model built on a binary: there is a victim, and there is a villain. Her question was not whether justice mattered, but whether the familiar tools were the only way to pursue its goals. She still believed in a functioning society where people are cared for and harm is addressed. What changed was her sense of what addressing harm could look like.

"I really started to see that there were other ways that we could address the harm that weren't punitive, that weren't pushing people out of the circle or of the community, but actually bringing people back in."

(Itzel Hayward, Rooted in Love podcast with Coco's Sanctuary, early in the conversation)

She describes a second layer of that shift. Restoring the harm that occurred is one task. Looking at the conditions that existed before the harm, the circumstances that led someone to act in the first place, is another. That double movement is what drew her into restorative justice and transformative justice, frameworks she began studying as she looked for an alternative to punishment that still took accountability seriously. She describes taking "a big step back" to ask what justice meant to her, what community meant, and what her own role would be when harm happens inside a community.

Why does regulation matter before you respond to harm?

The most useful section of the conversation is also the most practical. Hayward talks about what happens inside a person when they are confronted with harm, and why responses so often escalate. Her point is that a body under stress does not reason well. When a person is shaken and dysregulated, they tend to respond from a survival state rather than from what she calls higher cognitive function. The first task, then, is not to win the argument or correct the other person. It is to settle the nervous system enough to think.

She connects this to her own practice. When she encounters someone who is not recognizing the divinity in others, she says she is not going to try to force them into seeing it. She does not need to shout at them. This is not passivity. It is a refusal to meet aggression with more of the same, which is exactly the pattern she spent years watching inside adversarial systems.

Later, the host raises a harder version of the question: how do you hold compassion for someone who has caused harm while still being hurt by what they did? Hayward treats this as one of the central problems of her work. She describes the importance of finding a way to hold the part of yourself that wants to lash out with compassion, and of recognizing that the person who harmed others was shaped by the same forces that shape everyone. The aim is not to excuse the act. It is to keep the response from becoming another act of violence.

Where does the "silent wish" fit in?

Hayward closes each of her practices with a silent wish. In this episode she invites listeners to bring their palms together at the heart and send out the wish "that the entire universe and all beings everywhere know peace. Peace and only peace" (Rooted in Love, around 6:25). The host says the wave of peace in that moment was physical, and the exchange is a small demonstration of the episode's larger claim: a shift in one nervous system is not private. It becomes part of how a room, a community, or a case is handled.

That is the throughline between the courtroom and the cushion. Hayward is not describing two careers that happened to overlap. She is describing one commitment, to reduce the harm that people do to each other and to address its roots, pursued through different tools at different points in her life. The law gave her a view of how conflict is organized. Restorative and transformative justice gave her an alternative model. Breath practice and presence give her a way to show up inside the work without being pulled into the same reactivity that produced the harm.

Where is Hayward's work now?

The episode description identifies Hayward as a life coach and yoga teacher focused on holistic healing, and as an Adjunct Professor at UC Law San Francisco. That combination is itself a kind of answer to the question the episode asks. She has not left the legal world behind, and she has not kept her spiritual practice in a separate room. Her work now sits where those two commitments meet. Her own public channels, including her Attuned Living website and social accounts, carry the practice forward for listeners who want to continue.

What makes the conversation worth returning to is its refusal to treat collective liberation as a slogan. It is built from very concrete habits: a breath you come back to when you lose your footing, a refusal to shout at someone who is wrong, a question about what conditions produced the harm, and a wish that begins with yourself and extends outward. Hayward's journey suggests that justice and presence are not competing approaches. Each makes the other more honest.

Where to go from here

If this conversation resonated, the most useful next step is to try the practice itself. Pick a single moment in your day, a transition or a difficult exchange, and simply notice the breath before you respond. Then, if you want to go deeper, watch the full Coco's Sanctuary episode "Yoga for Collective Liberation" with Itzel Hayward, where the host and guest develop these ideas at length. Listen for the points where Hayward moves from describing a legal system to describing a human response to harm. That shift is the heart of the episode, and it is available to anyone who wants to practice it.

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[0:08] Hey there, my name is Klet Gunim and

[0:11] this is Rooted in Love, a podcast where

[0:13] we dive deep into conversations with

[0:16] spiritual and social justice servant

[0:17] leaders who are dedicated to cultivate a

[0:20] world truly rooted in love. Join us as

[0:23] we intertwine powerful insights and

[0:25] visionary ideas that inspire us to

[0:27] reimagine what it would look like to

[0:29] truly be in radical loving community

[0:32] together. Thank you for joining us to

[0:34] expand your mind and open your heart

[0:37] towards our collective liberation.

[0:39] This is Rooted in Love.

[0:48] Hello everyone and welcome to today's

[0:49] episode of Rooted in Love where we talk

[0:52] about the intersection of spirituality

[0:54] and social justice for our collective

[0:56] liberation. Today I'm here with a very

[0:58] special soul. It's Cell Hayward who I

[1:01] just was so inspired by when I first met

[1:03] just by her level of presence and her

[1:06] level of depth and grounding and really

[1:08] doing the work to do so much healing in

[1:10] the world that is so desperately needed.

[1:12] So so excited to go into depth and about

[1:14] your own journey and here to learn from

[1:17] you and learn with you on this path of

[1:20] being able to heal within ourselves and

[1:22] for the collective as well. So thank you

[1:25] so much for taking the time to talk

[1:28] today.

[1:29] >> Absolutely. It's a pleasure to be here

[1:31] with you.

[1:31] >> Thank you. It's so wonderful. So, I'd

[1:34] love to start our conversation off with

[1:36] the podcast title, which is called

[1:38] Rooted in Love, and being able to talk a

[1:42] little bit about what practice allows

[1:44] you to stay rooted in love, especially

[1:46] at a time where there's a lot of

[1:47] darkness and what seems to be an absence

[1:51] of love. For me, I often come back to

[1:54] what does love mean to me? You know,

[1:57] what does that what does that mean on a

[1:59] daily basis? And for me, I try to bring

[2:04] a non-judgmental awareness to the people

[2:06] who are around me, to the experiences

[2:08] that are happening around me, so that I

[2:09] can be really really present for them.

[2:12] And I see that kind of presence and that

[2:13] kind of attention as being love in

[2:15] action. That's beautiful. Yeah. Of like

[2:18] being able to be there for somebody

[2:20] fully. And before I we go in deeper, I

[2:23] know that you do lead meditations and

[2:25] yoga and wondering if there's any small

[2:27] practice that you'd be open to sharing

[2:28] with us and the viewers that are here to

[2:32] learn and to

[2:33] >> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I'd be happy to.

[2:36] I think um you know in any given moment

[2:39] when I notice that I'm feeling

[2:41] disconnected or um you know

[2:45] discombobulated or or just not present

[2:49] um a practice I often do is just to come

[2:51] back to my breath. So we can do that

[2:53] together.

[2:54] >> That sounds great.

[2:54] >> All right. So I'm going to put both of

[2:56] my feet on the floor. That's how I feel

[2:58] um most grounded and present. But I

[3:00] definitely invite um everyone to just

[3:03] make the body as comfortable as you can.

[3:06] Um, and some days the body is more

[3:08] comfortable than others. So, just being

[3:10] with whatever is here in this moment.

[3:13] If you'd like, if it's comfortable, you

[3:15] can allow the eyes to gently close.

[3:19] Or if you prefer, you can lower the eyes

[3:21] and soften the gaze

[3:26] and simply bring the awareness to the

[3:28] breath.

[3:33] The breath doesn't need to be changed or

[3:35] altered in any way.

[3:40] Just be aware.

[3:43] When are you breathing in?

[3:47] When are you breathing out?

[3:57] If it's helpful, I invite you to take a

[4:01] moment to notice where you feel the

[4:03] breath most distinctly.

[4:06] So, it may be in the rising and falling

[4:08] of the chest or of the abdomen.

[4:12] It may be the movement of the air in the

[4:15] nostrils slightly cooler on the inhale,

[4:19] slightly warmer on the exhale.

[4:27] Maybe it's the gentle sound of the

[4:29] breath.

[4:31] Wherever it is you're most aware of the

[4:33] breath, allow the attention to rest

[4:36] there

[4:39] for each inhalation

[4:41] and each exhalation.

[4:57] And taking a moment to

[5:01] perhaps set an intention to come back to

[5:04] the breath at different moments

[5:06] throughout the day.

[5:10] Just to simply notice

[5:13] I am here.

[5:16] This is the inb breath.

[5:20] This is the outreath.

[5:37] And I like to close my practice

[5:41] and each practice that I do

[5:44] with a silent wish.

[5:48] And we'll close this practice together

[5:50] in this way today.

[5:53] If you'd like, you can bring the palms

[5:55] of the hands together in front of the

[5:56] heart.

[5:59] And together we'll send out a silent

[6:01] wish that the entire universe and all

[6:06] beings everywhere

[6:08] know peace.

[6:10] Peace

[6:12] and only peace.

[6:21] And as you're ready, you can release the

[6:23] hands to the knees or to the lap and

[6:26] gently lift or open the eyes.

[6:37] >> Thank you.

[6:39] >> My pleasure. My pleasure.

[6:41] >> Oh, wow. I felt that wave of peace come

[6:44] over my body. Thank you so much.

[6:47] >> Absolutely.

[6:48] >> Very beautiful practice. Thank you.

[6:50] Absolutely. Yeah. And it's it's so

[6:53] supportive for me too to just simply

[6:55] come back to the breath

[6:56] >> to remember that I'm here. Right. Our

[6:58] mind so often wants to take us into the

[7:01] future, take us into the past

[7:04] >> and to just be present with what's here

[7:07] in this moment. This is where we begin,

[7:09] right? This is where we do the work.

[7:11] >> Wow. Wow. And it can be also so hard to

[7:14] do that sometimes because of the chaos

[7:16] of the world. You know, colonization has

[7:18] made us just go at full throttle speed

[7:21] all the time. There's actually another

[7:23] way of living and being. And so you

[7:26] giving the permission to do that, it's

[7:29] really inspiring. You know, I do believe

[7:31] that colonization, capitalism, all that

[7:33] is by design to keep us so busy, so

[7:36] worried, so distracted, you know. So we

[7:40] really have to be very intentional about

[7:42] bringing a practice into our own lives

[7:44] so that we continue coming back to this

[7:46] moment, coming back to the people in

[7:48] front of us and around us. How can we

[7:51] support? How can we be of service? And

[7:53] we can only do that if we're here, if

[7:55] we're present with that. Well, I'd love

[7:57] to backtrack.

[7:59] I'd love to go deeper into your own

[8:01] journey now if you're open to sharing a

[8:03] bit about your own path towards the

[8:06] space of healing, yoga, meditation. And

[8:09] I was reading a bit about your own

[8:11] background that you were in the legal

[8:13] space and that you were really into

[8:15] pursuing law and wondering what made you

[8:18] interested in that and then what caused

[8:20] that shift for you to go into the

[8:22] well-being space as well.

[8:25] >> Yeah. Yeah. I I practiced law for a lot

[8:28] of years. I was a lawyer for about 13

[8:30] years in San Francisco.

[8:32] >> Wow.

[8:32] >> Um very I loved the work that I was

[8:36] doing. Um I worked in a different a

[8:38] couple of different places, but I did

[8:40] work um supporting low-income

[8:42] communities of color in California um in

[8:45] regulatory spaces. I helped to prosecute

[8:48] unethical attorneys, particularly those

[8:51] who were targeting um limited English

[8:53] speakers.

[8:55] Um I was doing a lot of really great

[8:57] work, powerful work. Um and I was very

[8:59] very um proud of the work I was doing,

[9:03] the organizations I was working in and

[9:05] the people who I I was working with.

[9:08] And I reached a point in um that work

[9:12] where I really felt like there was

[9:15] something fundamentally that I wanted to

[9:18] challenge about the justice system. Um,

[9:21] and I was looking at how we're managing

[9:24] conflicts in ways that are very deeply

[9:27] disconnected

[9:28] and very much based on this paradigm

[9:32] where there is a victim and then there

[9:34] is a villain. And I just started seeing

[9:39] um that there was a different way,

[9:42] right? I believed that there was a way

[9:43] that we could still achieve what I

[9:47] thought were the goals of justice, which

[9:49] it was which is a functioning society

[9:52] where folks are cared for and when harm

[9:55] occurs, it's addressed in some way. But

[9:58] I really started to see that there were

[9:59] other ways that we could address the

[10:01] harm that weren't punitive, that weren't

[10:03] pushing people out of the circle or of

[10:06] the community, but actually bringing

[10:08] people back in, restoring

[10:11] um the harm that occurred, and then also

[10:13] looking at the conditions that existed

[10:15] in the first place that led to this

[10:17] person engaging in this activity that

[10:19] caused harm, right? Um and so that just

[10:23] I just took a big step back. I wanted to

[10:26] just get a bigger picture look at what

[10:29] justice meant to me, what um what

[10:33] community meant to me and how we hold

[10:35] harm when it occurs in community and

[10:38] what was my role going to be in that.

[10:41] Um so that was the entry point.

[10:44] >> That was the entry point. Um and then

[10:46] from there I really started looking at

[10:49] systems around restorative justice,

[10:51] transformative justice. uh I begin began

[10:54] studying non-violent communication

[10:57] and at the same time that this is all

[11:00] happening um you know I'm coming out of

[11:03] a high stress

[11:05] um uh career uh profession and I had

[11:11] taken yoga before um but then I really

[11:15] dove into my practice very very deeply

[11:18] and started understanding that there's

[11:20] this whole philosophy underlying it

[11:21] right it wasn't just these postur that

[11:23] made me feel great and relaxed and

[11:25] wonderful and open and you know I loved

[11:27] the practice but then understanding that

[11:29] there there are there's a whole

[11:31] philosophy underneath it that's actually

[11:33] guiding the practice which is why I

[11:35] would feel so great and present and open

[11:36] afterwards. Um, and so I just started

[11:39] kind of bringing everything together,

[11:42] um, all those parts together, just this

[11:44] idea of community and interdependence

[11:47] and how we care for ourselves and how we

[11:49] care for each other. Um, and that's how

[11:52] I and that's how I ended up here where I

[11:53] am today. Wow. It takes a lot of courage

[11:57] to like make that leap over to the

[11:59] other. It seems like the other side of

[12:01] what it should be, you know, intertwined

[12:03] for sure. And I'm wondering, are you

[12:05] still intertwining those two worlds or

[12:08] have you left the legal world behind?

[12:10] Where are you at now?

[12:11] >> No, it's it's very much still

[12:13] intertwined. I'm actually teaching a law

[12:16] school class right now, working with law

[12:18] students um specifically teaching tools

[12:21] around facilitation, which is how do

[12:23] groups work together to move a project,

[12:26] move a goal um forward together. And so

[12:30] much of that is about if you're the

[12:32] person guiding that group toward that

[12:35] destination. So much of that is about

[12:37] how do you hold conflict in a way that

[12:40] keeps the group together and not

[12:42] ruptured. How do you stay present when

[12:44] things arise with yourself so that you

[12:47] can be present for the group? What was

[12:48] that that spark or that catalyst to say,

[12:51] "Okay, I want to dive deeper into yoga."

[12:53] Was at that time in your life, was there

[12:55] something happening where you're like,

[12:56] "Okay, I need to make this shift." or

[12:58] was it just a curiosity intrigue?

[13:01] >> Yeah. No, there were a lot of shifts

[13:03] happening in my life and I, you know, I

[13:08] very much had a maybe an unconscious

[13:12] belief or not fully conscious belief

[13:14] that um, you know, if you're a good

[13:17] person, bad things won't happen to you.

[13:19] You know, like there was kind of this I

[13:21] mean, and it wasn't exactly that. It

[13:22] wasn't like I'd had this perfect life

[13:25] and no bad things had ever happened to

[13:26] me, but I just kind of felt like, you

[13:28] know, I'm a grown-up and I'm a lawyer

[13:31] and now I'm just going to keep doing all

[13:33] the right things and and and everything

[13:36] will work out. and life had different

[13:39] plans

[13:41] and you know so at this time that I'm

[13:44] shifting out of my profession all these

[13:46] other areas of my life my personal life

[13:48] you know my professional life of course

[13:50] um my the well-being of family members

[13:53] around me all these things started

[13:55] shifting and I just had so many just

[13:58] major losses that all just came all at

[14:02] once and I

[14:06] I didn't know what to do with. I didn't

[14:08] know what to do with that, you know. I

[14:10] just I felt so lost and so confused. And

[14:12] I started going to these yoga classes

[14:14] and I would feel better in the classes,

[14:16] which was great. And then I thought,

[14:18] well, let me see what this about this is

[14:20] about. And I started reading some books

[14:22] and I was like, "Okay, there's there's

[14:23] something here that um that is like in

[14:28] the midst of all this loss, there's

[14:30] something here within me that is steady

[14:34] and peaceful and quiet and how is that

[14:38] and why is that and what is that?" Um,

[14:41] so that really inspired a deeper a

[14:44] deeper look, a deeper dive. I feel like

[14:46] it's always having to go through that

[14:49] >> that rock bottom, that deepest suffering

[14:51] that it's like, okay, I need to

[14:53] surrender to something, some practice or

[14:55] something that will allow me to have an

[14:57] anchor point.

[14:58] >> And I'm wondering for you like on your

[14:59] own spiritual journey, did you grow up

[15:01] with any kind of faith and also I know I

[15:04] was reading that you also lived in the

[15:06] ashram for some time too and so also a

[15:08] very bold step to go into fully in that

[15:12] experience. And so yeah, maybe a bit

[15:13] about your faith and spiritual journey.

[15:15] I grew up in a Christian household. Um,

[15:19] my parents grew up with different in

[15:21] different Christian religions from each

[15:23] other. And so I always had the sense

[15:25] that they were very open-minded about,

[15:29] you know, religion. And you know, I I

[15:33] felt like what really was um important

[15:36] to them as I was growing up was that I

[15:41] for lack of a better word, just like be

[15:43] a good person. You know what I mean?

[15:45] There there weren't like really, you

[15:48] know, tenants that I needed to abide by,

[15:51] but just like, you know, be a good

[15:53] person in this world. Have a make a

[15:55] positive impact in this world. And um

[15:59] you know my parents were tremendous role

[16:01] models to me in that respect. Um you

[16:03] know very big-hearted generous people

[16:06] worked very very hard to give me um you

[16:10] know the opportunities that I was able

[16:12] to have. They both were they're both

[16:14] immigrants um immigrated to the United

[16:16] States you know and they I mean you I

[16:19] can't even imagine I can't even imagine

[16:22] truly just the courage you know to do

[16:25] that.

[16:26] I think about myself. They're both from

[16:29] Panama, Central America.

[16:30] >> Wow. Wow. Wow.

[16:32] >> Yeah. So, just the courage to just leave

[16:34] everything, you know, you know, come to

[16:36] a brand new country, you know, they did

[16:38] everything for me from just the support

[16:40] and the love, but also the modeling.

[16:43] Um, and so when I, you know, left home,

[16:48] I had that kind of foundation.

[16:50] Um, and I didn't have like a faith home,

[16:54] per se. you know, I didn't have a

[16:56] particular church um that, you know, I

[16:59] attended regularly, but I always stayed

[17:02] in, you know, I speak very regularly

[17:03] with my parents, and that's part of the

[17:06] conversation, just like what is what is

[17:08] your life looking like? What are you

[17:10] doing for the world? You know, what are

[17:13] you doing for your community? Um

[17:16] and so that, you know, that was always a

[17:18] part of my my upbringing and just the

[17:21] way I moved through the world.

[17:22] Absolutely.

[17:24] Um, and then I found yoga. I decided I'm

[17:27] going to just dive really deep into

[17:29] this. I loved the philosophy so much.

[17:32] Um, it made a lot of sense to me and I

[17:35] loved the perspective of this is a

[17:37] science, you know, yoga as science. So,

[17:39] you you do it, you experiment and it if

[17:42] it works, well, now you know. There's

[17:44] not like believe me, I'll tell you what

[17:46] to do. You know, it's like no, you

[17:48] practice and then you believe yourself.

[17:50] you know, you believe the experience

[17:51] that you have. You believe the impact

[17:53] you have on the world, on your

[17:54] relationships.

[17:56] Um, and I was really I was moved by that

[17:59] and the philosophy seemed very sound to

[18:02] me. Um, and so I decided to do the yoga

[18:06] teacher training and um, I think maybe

[18:10] halfway through the training, I was

[18:12] like, "This is this is it.

[18:15] This is it. This is it. The real deal.

[18:18] >> This is it." Yeah. And I moved in I

[18:20] think a month later or something. I

[18:22] moved into the ashram about a month

[18:24] later

[18:24] >> and just you know deep dive.

[18:27] >> That's so amazing. Which practice of

[18:30] yoga or which branch?

[18:31] >> Yeah.

[18:32] >> Called you.

[18:33] >> Yeah. I I got trained in the integral

[18:35] yoga tradition which is the um which is

[18:38] the ashram in which I lived and um you

[18:41] know it was definitely

[18:44] um

[18:46] living in an ashram is almost just like

[18:48] amplifies everything right like you

[18:50] think you're like moving into this like

[18:52] I'm going to just be at peace all the

[18:54] time and it just like amplifies like you

[18:57] hear your thoughts you become so attuned

[19:00] to to you know what's happening around

[19:02] you and

[19:03] you know, things touch you. So, you

[19:05] know, you're so sensitive. It was like

[19:06] you're kind of like this raw exposed

[19:08] nerve. Um, and so it was very, very

[19:12] powerful experience. You know, I can't I

[19:15] just there's nothing really like it. Um,

[19:18] and then I moved out. Um, I lived there

[19:21] for three years. I'm pretty sure I have

[19:24] to do I know. I think about that. I'm

[19:25] like, is that right? Yeah. I lived there

[19:27] for three years.

[19:29] >> How long ago was this also? That was 20

[19:32] I want to say oh my gosh like 2010 to

[19:37] 2013 I think that's exactly it. Yeah

[19:40] that's exactly it

[19:41] >> and um yeah and then since then you know

[19:45] there have been a lot of things that

[19:47] have come up at the integral yoga

[19:49] institute which is which was very

[19:50] painful for a lot of folks in the

[19:52] community. You know, it was um a lot of

[19:55] people came to learn that the teacher,

[19:57] the founder of integral yoga had had

[20:00] inappropriate relationships with his

[20:02] students, which is a story that we just

[20:05] keep hearing over and over again. And it

[20:09] really shook up the community a lot. Um

[20:13] and you know, we we we definitely

[20:15] practiced our yoga through it. Um but I

[20:18] you know the the harm of both what

[20:22] happened then also how some members of

[20:24] leadership managed that discovery for

[20:27] some and that disruption um has just had

[20:30] so many ripple effects. So it's been

[20:32] really hard to to see that.

[20:34] >> Yeah. I'm wondering because I feel like

[20:36] this is something that really happens in

[20:38] all spiritual paths and everything and

[20:40] people who go through religious trauma

[20:42] or have that experience that they're

[20:44] just like well this is all not obviously

[20:46] this is not real or it's not working

[20:48] because this person who's supposed to be

[20:49] the leader is not embodying these

[20:52] principles and so then they just

[20:54] completely shut it off and I'm wondering

[20:56] for you that you kept going on the path

[20:58] even with all of this and I guess what

[21:00] was your viewpoint on everything that

[21:03] was happening? Yeah, I mean for me it

[21:05] was always so clear from the moment I

[21:08] was introduced to yoga that these

[21:10] teachings are timeless and that the

[21:13] teacher is the teacher and thank you for

[21:15] being the vessel to provide me with the

[21:17] teachings but it's not about the teacher

[21:20] and so I myself as a teacher

[21:23] do my best to impart that to my students

[21:25] as well like I am just I'm just the

[21:27] delivery person. I'm just the messenger,

[21:30] you know, like it's not me, you know,

[21:32] and so um I just have always been able

[21:35] to so deeply connect with the teachings

[21:37] that a teacher not no longer being my

[21:41] teacher certainly there's pain and loss

[21:42] there, but that does not change that the

[21:45] teachings um are are the true teacher.

[21:48] Wow. Yeah, that's a much more like Yeah.

[21:51] profound and zoomed out way to look at

[21:52] it that it's like okay, yeah, you don't

[21:54] have to see it for the person. It's for

[21:56] the actual philosophy that's coming

[21:58] through.

[21:59] >> It's very powerful.

[22:00] >> And it's so interesting because I've

[22:01] never talked about my history growing up

[22:05] with religion. But I mean, I think

[22:07] that's just like a very clear throughine

[22:09] like it's not this dogma. It's not this

[22:11] person, right? It's like what is true

[22:14] for you um that allows you to be

[22:17] present, be openhearted, be connecting,

[22:20] be supportive, serve where you can. And

[22:23] you know all these principles are so

[22:25] timeless and I just I never had that

[22:28] firmly tied to any one thing. So for me

[22:32] it was like yoga was like another I mean

[22:34] I'm realizing that in this moment as

[22:36] I've never thought about this wow.

[22:38] >> Oh wonderful.

[22:39] >> So I mean that maybe made it easier for

[22:42] me.

[22:43] >> Okay. I'm also wondering like your idea

[22:46] of higher power source like where if

[22:48] you're open to sharing like what is your

[22:49] own belief of if there is a creator god

[22:53] I feel like I have different answer

[23:00] oh my goodness but at this point what

[23:03] most calls me

[23:05] >> is this idea that there is life and life

[23:09] and each one of us is just an expression

[23:12] of that life of the same life,

[23:15] >> right? And if I can honor that life

[23:17] energy and if I can see everything and

[23:20] anyone as that life energy, that divine

[23:23] energy, that creator energy, the name I

[23:26] think the name can get um tricky, right?

[23:29] Putting a name on it, I think can I know

[23:31] for me anyway, it really hung me up for

[23:34] a very long time um because I learned

[23:36] certain things that were associated with

[23:38] certain names and I'm like, I don't like

[23:40] that. So now I don't like that word,

[23:43] right? But if I can just get all the way

[23:46] down to that place where I genuinely

[23:48] believe we're all connected and and

[23:51] honor that and see the divinity in that,

[23:54] that's what supports me. That's the

[23:56] foundation.

[23:57] >> It's beautiful.

[23:57] >> You know what I'm doing.

[23:59] >> I'm wondering like do you believe that

[24:02] there is a being? Like do you think it's

[24:04] a being or like an energy or Yeah. Yeah,

[24:06] I guess like in your own faith path like

[24:09] can you have a relationship with that

[24:11] life energy or is it

[24:13] >> it's just the thing that connects your

[24:14] solid force field?

[24:15] >> No, I love that. I mean, one thing that

[24:17] I did take about yoga, take away from

[24:19] yoga that I absolutely adore is that

[24:22] because we're all expressions of this

[24:24] beautiful life energy, we can select

[24:27] anything to represent that for us, you

[24:30] know? So, it can be a person, right? Or

[24:33] it can be a being, it can be a flower,

[24:38] it can be nature, it can be love, it

[24:41] can, you know, like we have the

[24:43] opportunity to kind of tap into that

[24:45] energy

[24:47] >> anywhere.

[24:47] >> Wow.

[24:48] >> You know, so

[24:50] >> that's beautiful. Yeah. Cuz it's like I

[24:52] mean if we do say God then they say like

[24:53] God is everything. So like okay then

[24:56] then everything is God,

[24:58] >> right? If God is everything then

[24:59] everything is God.

[25:00] >> Right. Right. Right. Wow. Very

[25:02] beautiful. Thank you so much for going

[25:04] deeper in that. Very beautiful. Um,

[25:07] >> okay. I'd love to pivot a little bit now

[25:10] into the social justice space and

[25:14] talking a bit about, you know, how your

[25:16] own spiritual journey, how it has

[25:18] impacted how you show up in the world in

[25:21] that, you know, service ending

[25:23] oppression.

[25:24] >> How do they go together or not? You

[25:26] know, I've always been an activist and

[25:28] and you know, I like to say, you know, I

[25:30] used to be out there shouting and the

[25:31] protest. I still am. You know, I think

[25:34] that there's a a place for that and I

[25:36] think that there's a message that we're

[25:38] sending um when we do that, right? When

[25:40] we have our voices heard. Um so, the

[25:44] throughine is very consistent for me. I

[25:46] feel like I do believe it's important to

[25:48] speak out um when witnessing injustice.

[25:52] um what I like to what my practice is to

[25:54] come back again and again to the

[25:56] humanity of that person on the other

[25:58] side. And that does not mean that um I

[26:02] excuse the behavior or that I'm you know

[26:04] that I um what what troubles me the most

[26:09] that I see sometimes in spiritual

[26:11] communities is this idea that um so if

[26:15] if if everything is divine um why do

[26:18] anything right? Why? Why do anything at

[26:21] all? Why why help? Why stop? Why do I

[26:24] even say why would it even cross my mind

[26:27] that that thing is wrong,

[26:28] >> right? If everything is perfect and

[26:30] everything is divine.

[26:32] And so for me, you know, everyone's on

[26:35] their own journey on this, of course. Um

[26:37] but for me what I really see is um this

[26:42] idea that like the vision I have for the

[26:45] world is that we all witness that

[26:47] divinity in all of us. Right? That is

[26:50] that is the vision,

[26:52] >> right? And so if I see someone harming

[26:54] another person, I can recognize that

[26:58] they are a person. They are divine, but

[27:00] they're not recognizing the divinity in

[27:02] other people. They are creating a harm.

[27:05] And so to for me to not intercede, for

[27:09] me to not do anything at all is actually

[27:12] perpetuating that harm, right? Where I

[27:14] can, of course, right? I can't I'm

[27:16] seeing harm every day all the time on

[27:18] the news, right? And I can't do

[27:20] everything every day, but where I can

[27:22] >> um

[27:24] to not intercede is perpetuating that

[27:26] harm,

[27:27] >> right? And so I think it's really

[27:28] important um to take action,

[27:32] >> right? To take action when we see harm

[27:34] happening. um to support to protect you

[27:37] know I'm a big believer in um protective

[27:40] use of force you know like I don't you

[27:43] know I'm not going to try to force

[27:44] people to do something I'm not going to

[27:46] you know um you know use my power to

[27:48] force people to act a certain way or do

[27:50] a certain thing um but if I can protect

[27:54] if I can use my force to protect I will

[27:57] um I think that that's where there's

[27:59] that's where the distinction lies right

[28:00] if I'm using force to power to coersse

[28:03] to manipulate um to to create fear. I

[28:07] don't see the benefit to that. That's

[28:08] creating more harm.

[28:10] >> Um but using to protect using force to

[28:12] protect um I think is really valuable

[28:15] and it supports this vision

[28:17] >> of um a place where people's divinity is

[28:20] honored. I think a lot of people are in

[28:22] so much rage and so much anger

[28:25] rightfully so for uh the the harm of the

[28:30] divine nature of people and like just

[28:33] very very hard and so something that I

[28:35] am struggling with and I'm wondering

[28:37] what if you may think about this too is

[28:40] around

[28:41] reactionary

[28:43] anger and coming reactionary protection

[28:45] of harm and that versus intentionally

[28:48] responding

[28:49] And

[28:51] yeah, I guess like in the idea of

[28:53] justice through fighting back through

[28:57] nonviolence versus violence and where

[28:59] you are and where you stand on that. I

[29:01] think that um when we come to a problem

[29:04] of violence with violence or with

[29:06] aggression, we're just bringing more

[29:07] violence and aggression into the world.

[29:10] Um and so when I even talk about

[29:12] protective use of force, I'm talking

[29:13] about the minimum amount of force that I

[29:15] need to stop the harm, right? So, um, a

[29:19] a very classic example that I often talk

[29:21] about in my class is if you're a child

[29:23] with a child and the child runs into the

[29:25] street, right? Like I like a a

[29:27] relationship with with all beings,

[29:29] including children, that's power with,

[29:31] not power over. So, I'm not going to

[29:33] make a child do something. But if I see

[29:35] a child's going to run into the street,

[29:36] I will make them stop. I will physically

[29:38] hold them, right? Not to punish, right?

[29:42] But to protect. And so, I'm going to

[29:43] just do the bare minimum I need to do. I

[29:45] don't need to shout at them. I don't

[29:46] need to or maybe they're too far to

[29:48] grab, I do shout. Whatever the minimum I

[29:50] need to protect, I'll bring that.

[29:52] >> Um, and so I do believe in nonviolent

[29:55] movements and the protective use of

[29:56] force in a way that is absolutely the

[29:58] minimum needed to stop the harm that's

[30:00] happening.

[30:01] >> I guess it's the next followup is when

[30:05] somebody is at that level of rage, the

[30:08] injustice just like in our face.

[30:10] >> Yeah.

[30:11] When somebody is has that level of

[30:13] heightened emotion,

[30:16] how can they come from a place of okay,

[30:19] how can I do bare minimum

[30:21] >> when their when their nervous system is

[30:22] so shot and disregulated and

[30:26] >> Yeah, absolutely. I mean, they're kind

[30:28] there are two things I want to say. I do

[30:30] think that these practices right for

[30:33] presencing ourselves I think that they

[30:35] give us a little bit more capacity which

[30:38] I think is beautiful to have a nervous

[30:39] system has a little more capacity a

[30:41] little more resilience and there are

[30:43] some things that our nervous system is

[30:45] not going to

[30:47] normalize to right and I don't think

[30:49] should right and so I think it's so

[30:51] important to have these practices so

[30:53] that we can come back we can recognize

[30:55] where when we're in that space

[30:57] >> and come back to ourselves so that we

[30:59] can be more intentional, right? And come

[31:03] from a higher like cognitive function.

[31:05] Like I talk about this a lot that our co

[31:07] cognitive function or higher cognitive

[31:09] function shuts off, you know, and so we

[31:13] are going to make the best difference

[31:14] when we can connect back into that or

[31:16] the the you know the wisest choices and

[31:18] I think probably the best choices for

[31:21] whatever our goal is when we could tap

[31:23] into that. So having a regular practice

[31:25] is so important. And then kind of to

[31:28] zoom back, the second part of what I

[31:30] wanted to say to zoom back, a lot of

[31:32] what we're seeing now isn't individual

[31:34] harm, but systemic harm, you know, and

[31:37] so that's a whole that's a whole

[31:39] different thing. That is not just like

[31:41] me putting my body between someone who's

[31:43] harming another or me grabbing a child

[31:44] from running into a street. That's about

[31:46] changing systems around us that are

[31:48] harming people. Um, and that takes

[31:51] collective action. You no one of us can

[31:54] do that alone. M what does that

[31:56] collective action look like for you or

[31:58] what you feel would be most beneficial

[32:00] for that shift in system?

[32:03] >> I mean I think for me when I'm in that

[32:06] state of just like overwhelm I come back

[32:09] to community like my immediate community

[32:12] how can I get support in my community?

[32:14] How can I bring support into my

[32:16] community? How can we build more

[32:18] resilient communities together? Right?

[32:20] Like immediate, right? like my home, my

[32:23] neighbor, my neighborhood, my city, you

[32:26] know, that's where I come back to when I

[32:28] feel like, oh my gosh, what can I

[32:30] dismantle ice by myself, you know what I

[32:33] mean? Like,

[32:34] so that is where I channel my energies.

[32:37] Like I come back to healing communities.

[32:39] What do my neighbors need? What do the

[32:41] people in my community need? What

[32:43] communities are being targeted in my

[32:44] city? What do they need? Right? Um, so

[32:48] to me that helps me so much because I

[32:51] feel like I can make such a bigger

[32:53] impact. And then I absolutely love what

[32:56] people are doing across the country. I

[32:57] think it's so important to people for

[32:59] people to find organizations that they

[33:01] trust that they can support, people who

[33:05] they can follow, who can, you know,

[33:07] filter the news so that they're

[33:09] receiving what's most important to them

[33:10] and what they feel most empowered to

[33:12] take action toward.

[33:14] um and and and take care of themselves,

[33:17] right? And those are ways we can take

[33:18] care of ourselves and stay in action. I

[33:20] think that's so important.

[33:22] >> You know, something I hear a lot from

[33:24] people is like especially in the

[33:25] organizing space or activism space is

[33:27] that there's not enough time to like

[33:29] these practices of healing wellness like

[33:32] there's just so much that is needed to

[33:34] be done on the ground that this is not

[33:36] the priority. Mhm.

[33:38] >> And wondering if you have anything you

[33:40] would say to those people that are

[33:43] really focusing on the direct action

[33:44] work versus this more subtle

[33:47] >> Right. Right.

[33:49] >> work.

[33:49] >> Yeah. I love that. I mean, it's it's I

[33:52] don't mean to be flip with this quote,

[33:54] but it's a quote that I love that um

[33:56] that makes me kind of chuckle and makes

[33:58] me think. Um but there was a teacher, I

[34:01] wish I could remember the name of the

[34:02] teacher who said, "You should meditate

[34:04] for 30 minutes every day." And if you

[34:08] don't have time to meditate for 30

[34:10] minutes, you should meditate for an

[34:11] hour,

[34:15] right?

[34:18] >> So, I know I love that quote. I love

[34:20] that quote. Right? And so, like that's

[34:23] how foundational this work is, right? We

[34:26] need to be able to come back to

[34:28] ourselves where we can't do that great

[34:30] work out into the world.

[34:33] >> Yeah.

[34:33] >> Yeah. I mean, I guess if it's okay for

[34:35] me to share a reflection that I feel

[34:36] like you embody that peace, you know,

[34:39] and it's like, how is there going to be

[34:41] peace in the world if we haven't

[34:42] embodied it within ourselves? And that

[34:44] like, yeah, just being around you is

[34:46] already healing, you know, and that like

[34:48] it's because you've done the work that

[34:50] you have the regular practices that

[34:52] allow you to show up in that way that uh

[34:55] yeah, you it's it's almost impossible to

[34:57] harm at that point once you're no longer

[34:59] harming

[35:00] >> within yourself.

[35:02] >> So, thank you Thank you for being that

[35:05] reflection in the world.

[35:06] >> Oh, thank you.

[35:08] >> Yeah.

[35:10] >> My next question is about integrity. M

[35:14] m.

[35:16] And I think a lot of people really do

[35:19] want to do the things of meditating and

[35:21] having these practices, yoga, self-care,

[35:24] and yet life takes over, other

[35:27] priorities take over, and then they

[35:30] begin to lose the integrity within

[35:31] themselves of not doing the things that

[35:32] they said they were going to do for

[35:34] themselves.

[35:35] >> Yeah.

[35:35] >> And I'm wondering if you have any

[35:37] suggestions around that of like having

[35:39] inner integrity

[35:41] when we need it most. Yeah. Yeah. That's

[35:44] so beautiful. Um I think about, you

[35:47] know, if I'm thinking about creating a

[35:50] more peaceful interior or more peaceful

[35:52] world, whatever it may be, if I am

[35:55] violent to myself about missing my

[35:57] practice, right, that is violence, too,

[36:00] you know? So, how can I hold myself with

[36:04] self-compassion? And I I mean, I kind of

[36:07] want to expand this much bigger, but

[36:08] let's start with this. Like, how do I

[36:10] hold myself with compassion, right? like

[36:12] I missed my practice and then I missed

[36:14] my practice again and then I missed my

[36:15] practice again and then I missed my

[36:16] practice, right? Like how can I hold

[36:18] myself with compassion and then just

[36:20] remember I can always begin again. I can

[36:23] always begin again. And for me, like to

[36:26] kind of to to zoom that out on a bigger

[36:28] level, you know, I think about kind of

[36:31] cancel culture that I think is uh you

[36:34] know, it's it's very similar to what I'm

[36:36] talking about the divisive kind of sense

[36:37] of justice, like the pushing out, like

[36:40] how can we bring that person who's made

[36:43] this mistake into the fold? How can we

[36:45] show them compassion? How can we help

[36:47] heal any harm that's been created or

[36:50] caused by their actions? and how can we

[36:51] look at the system that existed to

[36:54] create um to you know have them choose

[36:57] the choices they made right so it's like

[36:59] almost like do I don't want to

[37:00] internally cancel myself either

[37:02] >> wow

[37:03] >> right

[37:05] >> how can people do that like how what

[37:07] kind of practice would allow them to no

[37:09] longer have that self-sabotage

[37:12] >> yeah I mean that is that is my lifetime

[37:14] work for sure but I do have an

[37:16] intentional self-compassion practice a

[37:18] self-mpathy practice where I check in

[37:20] with myself, you know, how am I feeling

[37:23] in this moment? What am I needing? You

[37:25] know, if I've done something that um I'm

[37:27] really disappointed, right, that maybe

[37:29] did cause harm, right? Like what was it

[37:32] in me that led to that action, right?

[37:36] What was that about? And can I hold that

[37:37] part of myself with compassion and go,

[37:40] look, I know you were doing the best.

[37:41] Like first start with that you were

[37:43] doing the best you knew how in the

[37:44] moment and it hurts now. You look at the

[37:46] impact and it hurts.

[37:48] >> Wow. you know, and give that part of me

[37:50] some space

[37:51] >> and then kind of the higher mind can

[37:53] lock in and go, okay, you got the care

[37:55] you needed. Now it's time for me to step

[37:57] in and fix this harm and maybe set up

[38:00] systems so I don't do this again,

[38:02] >> right?

[38:03] >> But if I can give that part of myself

[38:04] that empathy and what it does need,

[38:06] right? If I'm lashing out at somebody,

[38:08] there's there's some part of me that's

[38:10] hurt, right? So like, how can I take

[38:11] care of that part of me without hurting

[38:14] other people? and then how do I repair

[38:16] what's happened and set up systems so I

[38:18] don't do it again.

[38:19] >> Wow. I'm wondering this is also showing

[38:21] up because you're a mom too like with

[38:23] your child that now that you're doing

[38:24] that for your own you know inner child

[38:26] like selfcompassion like I'm sure that's

[38:29] another huge opportunity test to do that

[38:33] work.

[38:34] >> Yes. I joke not joke that my child is my

[38:36] guru. Oh my goodness. All the teachings

[38:40] all the all the buttons like okay how

[38:42] about this button? I'm like, "Okay,

[38:44] that's a new button. Didn't know I had

[38:46] that button."

[38:47] >> Wow. Trigger point, guys.

[38:50] >> Yes.

[38:51] >> Yeah. Yeah. It's all learning. All

[38:53] learning. I mean, I also see it as just

[38:55] a tremendous honor to, you know,

[38:57] shepherd this person through life. So,

[39:00] um, yeah, staying tapped into that

[39:02] honor, staying tapped into this is a

[39:04] different person. I think that's what's

[39:07] hardest with children actually, like

[39:09] this is not another part of you.

[39:11] >> Wow. you know, or like not an extension

[39:13] of you in some way. Of course, it is,

[39:15] but it's also an a unique human being on

[39:18] their own journey um that I would love

[39:21] to just like wrap and bubble wrap for

[39:23] the rest of his life and never be hurt.

[39:25] But, you know, there are going to be

[39:27] things that he does that he needs to

[39:28] learn that will trigger me that will

[39:30] all, you know, all the things.

[39:32] >> Um, and how can I just make space make

[39:35] space for all of that? From a very early

[39:38] age,

[39:39] my child and I think most children have

[39:42] like this need for autonomy that floats

[39:44] up very early. You know, they talk about

[39:46] the twos and the threes and how

[39:47] challenging that could be. That's just

[39:49] them expressing their autonomy. And as

[39:51] they get older, that need continues and

[39:54] they just get bigger and it they have

[39:56] more words to express it and they have

[39:58] more ideas of how to, you know, work

[40:01] with you so that they can have that need

[40:02] met, you know. So, it's a lot of um I

[40:06] mean that's just such a big part of it

[40:07] is like how do I honor his need for

[40:08] autonomy and also do what I think I need

[40:12] to do as a parent to prepare him to to

[40:15] go out into the world in a way that I

[40:17] hope keeps him, you know, safe and

[40:19] healthy and happy and also contributes

[40:21] to the larger community and world that

[40:22] he's stepping into. Yeah. I feel like if

[40:25] there's nothing else that I taught

[40:27] parents, it would be just the power of

[40:29] repair,

[40:31] >> you know,

[40:32] >> because not only does that help you and

[40:34] help your child and help that

[40:35] relationship, but it also models to the

[40:37] child how to treat themselves,

[40:39] >> how to treat other people, how to move

[40:42] through the world, just the power of

[40:43] repair. God,

[40:44] >> it's always a possibility.

[40:46] >> I'd love to zoom it out now to like

[40:48] community work and the services that you

[40:50] offer in the community and the tuned

[40:51] living.

[40:52] >> Uh, is it that's It's a tune living,

[40:54] right? Yes. Attune living and that

[40:56] creation of a new entity for those in

[40:59] Yeah. what you're doing in

[41:01] >> Yeah. I mean, one of my one of the

[41:04] things I very much love to do and it's

[41:06] how we initially connected was working

[41:08] at the Healing Well, and I know you have

[41:11] another episode with the uh executive

[41:13] director Kathy Curran of the Healing

[41:15] Well, and they're doing such amazing

[41:17] work. Um, so that's just a big part of

[41:20] the work that I love to do, supporting

[41:21] that community. Um that's in San

[41:23] Francisco, also in the Bay Area. I'm in

[41:25] the East Bay, however. Um and then

[41:27] Attuned Living, yeah, that's my own

[41:28] business. Um I'm working with folks

[41:31] one-on-one. And I'm also on Insight

[41:34] Timer um which is a big piece of what

[41:36] I'm doing as well and offering live

[41:38] events and meditations. I hope to start

[41:40] teaching um physical yoga practices on

[41:43] there as well um just so I can reach

[41:46] more people, you know, reach more

[41:48] people. So that's what I'm looking at

[41:50] right now. And it's just been beautiful.

[41:52] >> Wow. So exciting. And what do you feel

[41:54] like is like your ultimate vision or

[41:56] like what you would want to bring to the

[41:58] world? What's your

[41:59] >> I guess sole purpose dharma in you.

[42:02] >> Yeah, definitely still working that out.

[42:06] >> Yes.

[42:07] >> And I think being a parent really shifts

[42:11] >> all the perspectives, you know. Um, but

[42:14] for me, I would love to bring a

[42:17] different um, vision for what justice

[42:20] can look like and what our justice

[42:21] systems can look like. Um, I think when

[42:24] I think about that, I mostly think in

[42:26] this country. Um, and you know, for me,

[42:30] I think it's going to take more than

[42:32] just kind of stepping in and making

[42:36] solutions on the surface. I think it's

[42:38] going to be something that needs to go a

[42:39] lot deeper and look more systemically.

[42:41] It's a big thing. I don't know if it's

[42:43] going to happen in my lifetime, but for

[42:45] me, that is something that um feels so

[42:48] important to me. And I just feel so like

[42:50] every part of me kind of lights up. Like

[42:52] the lawyer part of me, the you know,

[42:54] compassion, communication, the yoga. I

[42:57] feel like it's all um it's it's all

[42:59] pointing to that.

[43:00] >> Wow. Wow. Wow. Yes. You're on the path.

[43:04] You're always on the path.

[43:06] >> Beautiful. Wow. Thank you so much for

[43:08] sharing. Is there anything else that you

[43:09] feel like is important to share with

[43:11] people and their own healing journey or

[43:14] yeah whatever other takeaways you want

[43:16] folks to have.

[43:17] >> Wow. I mean I think and it and this is

[43:20] and we talked about it from the

[43:22] meditation all the way to the end about

[43:23] repair that we can always begin again

[43:26] >> you know begin again. I think if if that

[43:29] if there was any one thing I would want

[43:30] to leave folks with is you can always

[43:32] you can always begin again. Begin again.

[43:35] >> Thank you so much.

[43:36] >> Yeah. And thank you And so make sure how

[43:39] can people follow your work? How can

[43:41] >> Yeah, they can join in.

[43:42] >> Yeah, absolutely. They can find me at

[43:43] attunedliving.com. That's my website.

[43:45] And also I'm on um Insight Timer as

[43:48] Etsel Hayward. So they can find me there

[43:49] as well.

[43:50] >> Fantastic. Thank you so much. It was

[43:53] really such a beautiful conversation.

[43:54] Thank you. Thank you. And thank you

[43:56] everyone for listening. And yeah, we'll

[43:58] be sure to put everything in the show

[43:59] notes of all the links so people can be

[44:01] in touch and stay contacted. Yeah. Thank

[44:04] you so much.

[44:14] Thank you for tuning in to this episode

[44:16] of Rooted in Love featuring itself

[44:18] Hayward, a true embodiment of peace who

[44:20] is rippling healing support to so many

[44:22] through the power of yoga and

[44:23] meditation. If you'd like to learn more

[44:25] about Etsel's offerings in the

[44:27] community, you can find a list of useful

[44:29] links in the show notes. Please feel

[44:30] free to share this episode with a

[44:32] friend, subscribe, and leave a rating.

[44:34] Follow along for future episodes on

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[44:38] also in the show notes. Until next time,

[44:40] please be sure to take intentional

[44:42] moments of pause to be able to stay

[44:44] rooted in love within yourselves and for

[44:46] the community around you.

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Itzel Hayward is a life coach and yoga teacher focused on holistic healing, and an Adjunct Professor at UC Law San Francisco. In the Coco's Sanctuary episode she describes practicing law for about 13 years in San Francisco, supporting low-income communities of color in California before moving into well-being work.
Hayward describes restorative justice as an approach that brings people back into the community after harm rather than pushing them out, and works to repair the harm that occurred. She also points to looking at the conditions that led to the harmful act in the first place, which is the broader aim of transformative justice as she frames it in the episode.
She guides listeners to rest attention on the breath without changing it, noticing where it feels most distinct, such as the chest, abdomen, or the air at the nostrils. She suggests coming back to the breath at different points during the day to notice that you are present.
She closes with a silent wish that the entire universe and all beings everywhere know peace, saying "Peace and only peace." Listeners bring their palms together at the heart while sending it out.
Hayward suggests first noticing your own dysregulation, since a stressed body tends to respond from survival rather than clear thinking. She advises against forcing others to change or shouting at them, and recommends holding compassion for the part of yourself that wants to lash out.
In the episode, love is described as non-judgmental awareness brought to the people and experiences around you, which allows you to be fully present for them. Presence and attention are framed as love expressed through conduct rather than sentiment.
The episode is titled "Episode 14: Yoga for Collective Liberation with Itzel Hayward" on the Coco's Sanctuary YouTube channel, and it is also part of the Rooted in Love podcast. The channel's podcast is also available on Spotify and Instagram.

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