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[0:04] Hey everybody, welcome to the 10%
[0:05] Happier podcast. I'm your host Dan
[0:07] Harris. Today we have a fascinating,
[0:09] rangy, and super interesting
[0:12] conversation with the comedian Josh
[0:13] Johnson. We talk about uh how uh wild
[0:17] the mind is. We talk about uh dealing
[0:20] with uh the anxiety of uh the news
[0:24] cycle, the difference between acceptance
[0:27] and resignation. his extraordinary work
[0:30] ethic and uh the kind of healthy
[0:32] obsession he has with comedy. And um
[0:36] stay tuned because after I say thank
[0:38] you, we actually have a long and really
[0:40] interesting discussion about AI and his
[0:43] very powerful uh negative feelings about
[0:46] AI. Just a little bit more on Josh
[0:48] before we dive in here. He is uh one of
[0:51] uh the uh hosts and correspondents on
[0:55] the Daily Show on Comedy Central. He's
[0:57] got a comedy special, an excellent one,
[0:59] on HBO Max called Symphony. And on his
[1:02] YouTube channel, he, and this gets to
[1:05] his work ethic, he has for three years
[1:08] posted a new hour of comedy every week.
[1:12] Take that in. A new hour of comedy every
[1:15] week for three years. Josh Johnson, uh,
[1:18] a rising star in the comedy world.
[1:20] Really interesting, really smart. Josh
[1:22] Johnson, welcome to the show.
[1:23] >> How's it going?
[1:24] >> Going great. Nice to see you. Oh, nice
[1:26] to see you.
[1:27] >> I'm a fan.
[1:28] >> Thanks, man. Night. Nice to meet you.
[1:30] >> I want to play you a little clip just to
[1:32] get us started. This is a clip of you.
[1:34] >> Oh, well. Uh-oh. One of the main things
[1:36] they talk about in meditation is that
[1:39] you should not, you cannot beat yourself
[1:42] up when you get distracted from
[1:44] meditation and your mind starts to
[1:45] wander. You just notice your mind
[1:47] wandering. Bring yourself back to the
[1:49] point of not wandering and then hold on
[1:52] to that moment for as long as you can.
[1:55] Right? And [clears throat] then you'll
[1:56] start to think about stuff, but just
[1:57] come back. You'll be fine. And
[1:59] eventually, you'll get so good at not
[2:01] wandering that you'll really have like a
[2:04] calm mind. And it won't be every day. It
[2:06] won't be all the time, but when you put
[2:08] your intention to it, you'll have a calm
[2:09] mind. So, I sat down. I'm going to
[2:11] meditate. I'm okay. I tried to like
[2:15] crisscross applesauce my legs. And I was
[2:18] realizing I was like, my right going to
[2:20] fall asleep. I don't know why I'm not as
[2:22] flexible as I should be.
[2:25] And so I was just sitting put my feet
[2:28] together and everything and I was like,
[2:30] "Okay,
[2:35] just breathe. Just breathe. Just think
[2:37] about your breath. Hold on to the ideas
[2:40] of your breath. Just think about how
[2:42] you're breathing. That's how you stay
[2:43] present. Every breath is important.
[2:45] Being present is important. Don't think
[2:48] about anything else. don't think about
[2:51] how we left the gold standard. And so
[2:53] now there's really nothing but but fear
[2:55] and anxiety backing up the dollar and
[2:57] the sort of like weighted debt system
[2:59] that we live in because it really is the
[3:02] only thing holding us together. It's
[3:04] like the expectation that it can't
[3:06] possibly fall apart because if it ever
[3:08] fell apart, it would fall apart for
[3:09] everyone. It's basically like our
[3:11] economy, our government is holding a gun
[3:13] to the heads of us and every other
[3:15] nation at the same time. And if we and
[3:18] if we at all stop this thing, if we ever
[3:20] stop this machine from running, maybe we
[3:22] could like release ourselves from the
[3:24] idea of this like economic like if we're
[3:27] being honest, like an economic
[3:28] enslavement to the dollar and to the
[3:30] ideas behind the dollar and we could end
[3:32] up in a better world, a world where like
[3:35] maybe you could actually work with some
[3:37] sort of meritocracy for your both your
[3:39] efforts and for your work. And and if if
[3:41] we got there, if we if we were able to
[3:43] do that, I wandered. I wandered that.
[3:46] Okay. All right. All right. And so I
[3:51] went ahead and I stopped meditating.
[3:57] I stopped meditating. Maybe I'll start
[4:00] again one day, but I stopped meditating
[4:03] because uh uh it was bad for my mental
[4:06] health.
[4:08] At least the way I was doing it. Cuz I
[4:10] was doing it wrong. It was mostly just
[4:12] me crashing out with my eyes closed
[4:15] in a quiet room with a drippy faucet.
[4:19] >> So I I play that because I'm just
[4:21] curious, is that your actual experience
[4:22] with meditation? Have you ever gone back
[4:24] to it since uh your gold standard uh
[4:28] jag?
[4:29] >> Yeah. No, I I try to go back to it. But
[4:31] the thing this this is my other thing
[4:33] about meditation, anxiety, even being
[4:36] depressed sometimes like that is that
[4:38] like this is not a popular thing to say,
[4:40] but sometimes those emotions are just
[4:42] like right.
[4:44] >> Mhm.
[4:44] >> And that is a hard thing to sit with. Do
[4:47] you mean like sometimes you're anxious
[4:48] and it's like all right, maybe you're
[4:50] anxious because you're overthinking or
[4:52] maybe you're actually anxious because
[4:53] there are several reasons to actually be
[4:56] anxious right now. And so it's not as if
[4:58] I don't think meditation will help me,
[5:01] but it's more that even in the getting
[5:04] better at meditating and even in staying
[5:07] within uh some sort of calmness, it it
[5:10] changes your approach to like a present
[5:12] situation, it doesn't actually change
[5:13] the present situation. Do you know what
[5:15] I mean? Like if you are in a bank heist
[5:18] and you're sitting there and you've got
[5:20] and you've got the zip ties on your
[5:22] wrist, we can breathe. [laughter] It's
[5:24] not going to change where you are. And
[5:26] so, and I don't want it to sound like
[5:28] it's frivolous by not changing where you
[5:31] are, because it would be much better to
[5:33] be able to be calm during a bank heist
[5:35] than to be freaking out and having a
[5:39] what some would call an appropriate
[5:40] amount of anxiety, but it doesn't help
[5:42] you and then you give yourself a panic
[5:43] attack. Like, obviously, that is not
[5:45] ideal either. But I think that as I get
[5:48] older, the thing that I'm trying to um
[5:51] come to terms with whether it's therapy
[5:53] or it's meditation or it's just like an
[5:55] overall outlook on life is that there
[5:57] are certain things you can control which
[5:59] is yourself. But then the all the other
[6:02] things that you cannot control will
[6:03] still exist no matter your approach to
[6:05] them. And so so that is where my
[6:09] meditation's at. It's it's actually why
[6:12] I want to get better at meditating is so
[6:14] that I can hold on to my own attention
[6:17] longer and so that I can like address
[6:19] problems from a place of real conscious
[6:23] uh intention. I think that's spot on. My
[6:27] the way it the way I experience it with
[6:30] meditation therapy, whatever modality
[6:32] designed to regulate your nervous
[6:34] system, it doesn't change external
[6:36] reality. Donald Trump is still in the
[6:38] White House.
[6:39] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[6:40] >> And how do I want to be in the face of
[6:42] this?
[6:42] >> Mhm.
[6:43] >> How do I want to be maximally effective
[6:46] and
[6:48] being calm? Not anesthetized, but calm
[6:51] enough so that I can think clearly.
[6:53] That's where these tools come in handy.
[6:55] Does that make sense?
[6:56] >> That that does make sense. And it's
[6:58] actually I got in an interesting I won't
[7:01] say argument cuz it didn't rise to the
[7:02] level but we we definitely my friend and
[7:05] I were having some conversation where
[7:07] maybe I wasn't expressing myself clearly
[7:09] enough or maybe they didn't like my
[7:11] explanation but I was talking to them
[7:13] about the concept of like acceptance in
[7:15] the face of a problem and and I was
[7:18] saying that in order to address a
[7:21] problem you have to accept the problem
[7:23] and and by that I just mean you have to
[7:24] accept that there is a problem. you you
[7:27] can't be like, "Oh, but also I don't
[7:29] care." Or, "Also, it'll work itself
[7:31] out." It's like, if it's a problem, then
[7:32] it's a problem. And I think that they
[7:34] were hung up on the I don't even know if
[7:36] semantics is the right word for it, but
[7:38] they got hung up on the wording of
[7:40] accepting the problem as in I just will
[7:44] take it or I'll just like sit with it.
[7:46] And it's like, no, it's just addressing
[7:48] it. and and acceptance was maybe um not
[7:51] as good of a word as a addressing, but I
[7:53] was trying to address through a real um
[7:58] contemplation over this is how it is.
[8:01] >> And if you don't like that Donald
[8:03] Trump's in the White House, what are we
[8:04] going to do about that? That there is an
[8:06] acceptance about that fact. And then
[8:09] what you do from it here on out is like
[8:12] it can you can only get to that step by
[8:14] accepting what the problem is.
[8:15] >> Yes. I don't think surprise you that I'm
[8:18] you're right and your friend's wrong.
[8:20] I'm I'm I'm being uh I'm being harsh.
[8:22] But I do agree with you.
[8:24] >> Yeah.
[8:24] >> Acceptance is different from passivity
[8:26] or resignation. Acceptance is just not
[8:28] being at war with reality. Like, okay,
[8:30] yes, there are problems. I can see them
[8:33] clearly,
[8:34] >> then I act.
[8:35] >> So, it's acceptance and then engagement.
[8:38] Um and which is exactly what I think I
[8:40] was hearing from you.
[8:41] >> Yes. cuz they were like, "Oh, well," and
[8:43] we weren't even talking about Trump
[8:44] being in office, but they were like,
[8:45] "No, I don't accept that thing." And I'm
[8:47] like, "Yes, you don't accept it in that
[8:49] you don't want it to be happening, but
[8:51] like and then every once in a while
[8:52] you'll have a conversation with somebody
[8:53] that makes you feel like you don't have
[8:55] a grasp on your own language. This is my
[8:57] native language. This is how I've been
[9:00] speaking since I was a little kid." But
[9:01] for whatever reason, we're having our
[9:04] wires crossed cuz then I was like,
[9:06] >> "Yes, I also don't accept it as in I
[9:08] will do nothing about it." Yes.
[9:10] >> But we need to move together in the
[9:12] reality that this that this problem
[9:14] exists.
[9:14] >> Acceptance is a tricky word because
[9:16] people hear it as resignation or
[9:18] passivity. Maybe another way to say it
[9:20] would be just clear seeing.
[9:22] >> Yes. If you had been there, we probably
[9:24] would have even had the argument.
[9:26] >> You know what? You just need my phone
[9:28] number the next time this this happens.
[9:30] If you could have stepped in and been
[9:32] like, "He means clear seeing."
[9:34] [laughter]
[9:34] You can clearly see the problem and now
[9:37] we're going to do something about it
[9:39] together.
[9:40] >> You mentioned early on anxiety and
[9:44] depression. Are these things with which
[9:47] you actively wrestle?
[9:49] >> I have. Yes, for sure. For sure. I think
[9:52] uh sort of the anxiousness I don't want
[9:55] to I don't want to speak for everyone
[9:57] which is what I'm actually about to do
[9:59] but I think that anxiousness is like a
[10:01] sort of resting state as a as as an
[10:05] American mindset. I think that if you
[10:07] live in the US, anxiousness kind of like
[10:10] comes with the territory and not even an
[10:12] anxiousness that is like intentionally
[10:15] imposed, but it is the the end result of
[10:19] a lot of thinking cuz what is a person
[10:21] supposed to do but be anxious in the
[10:23] face of this thing? So, you can have
[10:25] your um uh school shooting drills with
[10:29] kids and then be like, "All right, go to
[10:32] sixth period." But anyone who's paying
[10:34] attention will be like, "That was wild,
[10:37] right? That we all just practiced what
[10:39] to do in case one of us, the people
[10:42] here, decides to shoot all of us." And
[10:45] that's something that can be pretty
[10:46] anxietyinducing and for good reason. And
[10:48] so I think that there is a lot of
[10:52] structure around the things that should
[10:56] help I guess like quell some of the
[10:58] anxiousness, but it actually doesn't
[11:00] because it's like you acting like this
[11:02] drill is normal while politicians go
[11:05] back and forth around if prayer still
[11:08] works and and while you actually have to
[11:11] live in the reality where you may need
[11:13] to remember everything that is in this
[11:15] drill. that that's something that the
[11:18] people that aren't at your school may
[11:19] not have anxiousness around, but you in
[11:21] the actual situation, I'm sure are very
[11:24] anxious. And so I think that there's
[11:27] there's things like that. And then
[11:29] there's just the general um I think
[11:32] misunderstanding of what it means to be
[11:35] content. I think in the American
[11:38] mindset, contentment is like a loss.
[11:41] It's resigning yourself to settling.
[11:44] There's always more and you're supposed
[11:45] to go get that more.
[11:46] >> It's acceptance.
[11:47] >> And yes, it's acceptance. And then you
[11:49] put yourself in a position where through
[11:52] constantly chasing what is it is not
[11:55] better is just different. It is
[11:58] anxietyinducing.
[11:59] Um and then I think that you know
[12:01] without being a a psychiatrist or
[12:04] psychologist myself, I think that enough
[12:06] anxiety will depress you. I think there
[12:09] are people that obviously have their
[12:11] actual clinical depression. There are
[12:13] people who go through rough patches in
[12:15] their life, but I also think that with
[12:17] enough stress, you can easily become
[12:19] depressed.
[12:20] >> I've certainly had that experience
[12:22] recently when you're in a rough patch or
[12:24] when you're dealing with whatever your
[12:26] you know baseline level of anxiety or
[12:29] propensity for depression. Um what
[12:32] what's your go-to?
[12:34] >> I try to remember a couple things. One
[12:37] is that everything ends uh including me.
[12:40] So there's only so much time that I have
[12:43] and there's only so much um that I have
[12:46] to do with that time in the way of
[12:48] energy, in the way of you know like
[12:50] resources, everything like that. And is
[12:52] this something and it genuinely does
[12:54] work a lot of the time. Is this
[12:55] something I will care about a year from
[12:57] now? Some things are worth your time and
[13:00] attention that you would only care about
[13:02] for 6 months. Like, you know, if if
[13:04] someone disrespects you or if someone um
[13:07] has a problem with you and you didn't
[13:09] see that coming and it whatever hurts
[13:11] your feelings or um changed the dynamic
[13:15] of a relationship, it's like look, you
[13:17] may not care a year from now, but right
[13:18] now you care and that's okay. So, I
[13:20] don't chalk everything up to will this
[13:22] kill me? If not, I don't care. I more
[13:25] just try to be honest about how I I feel
[13:29] about it and what is ego and what is
[13:31] actually a problem. There are some times
[13:33] where something happens and it's your
[13:36] own ego making a bigger deal out of it
[13:38] than it is. And then there's things that
[13:41] maybe you try to make you try to stop it
[13:43] from being a big deal because you just
[13:44] don't want to address it. And so I I
[13:47] just try to file things uh and I think
[13:49] as I get older I'm getting better at
[13:51] that as filing things in a quick enough
[13:54] time on how I really feel about them and
[13:57] that has helped sideline a lot of what
[14:00] could have been anxiety or could have
[14:01] depressed me.
[14:02] >> Sounds like perspective is helpful for
[14:05] you putting it in.
[14:06] >> That is a better way to say everything I
[14:08] said. That is actually I should have you
[14:10] around all the time. That [laughter] was
[14:12] you. You saved me like 25 seconds.
[14:17] I could have just said that and then we
[14:19] could we could be in a different part of
[14:20] the interview right now.
[14:21] >> We we wouldn't have much of an interview
[14:23] if your answers were all just one word.
[14:25] >> Yes, but like I could I could be less
[14:29] winded. [laughter]
[14:31] >> I like your current level of windedness.
[14:33] Just keep that same energy going.
[14:35] >> I appreciate it. There are so many times
[14:37] in my life, and I suspect this is true
[14:39] for you, where you just need a little
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[14:43] of a thought spiral or to help you fall
[14:46] back to sleep when you wake up at 3:00
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[17:04] What about specifically handling news
[17:08] anxiety? Because you as one of uh the
[17:12] rotating hosts of the Daily Show, which
[17:14] everybody should watch, you have to
[17:16] follow the news. I mean, there's there
[17:18] is no escaping it for you. I can go days
[17:21] even as a I I used to be an anchor man,
[17:23] but I'm not anymore. or I could go days
[17:24] without checking the the New York Times.
[17:26] You you don't have that choice. Um
[17:29] because you need to be on you need to be
[17:31] writing these excellent monologues that
[17:34] we see you deliver. How do you manage
[17:36] that?
[17:36] >> Well, first of all, yes, please watch
[17:38] the Daily Show on Comedy Central at
[17:40] 11:00 Central time. [laughter]
[17:44] Uh but I think that for me it's uh
[17:47] recognizing that a lot of news is uh
[17:53] cyclical of a of a bigger thing. And so
[17:56] I think that there are almost like um
[17:59] almost like orbits. There are several
[18:01] cycles happening at at any given time.
[18:04] You'll see with with Trump for example
[18:06] that he will be in a cycle with this
[18:08] war. he'll be in a cycle of we're gonna
[18:11] we're going to do this thing and then we
[18:13] don't do it and then we're going to do
[18:15] it and then we don't do it. And so I
[18:17] think that to get too caught up in every
[18:22] word he says as if his word is
[18:24] believable could put you in a state of
[18:27] anxiety that might be unnecessary
[18:29] because those things he he had us with
[18:31] the destroy a whole civilization. Right.
[18:34] >> That one had everybody and I don't just
[18:35] think this is a New York thing. I think
[18:37] if you had been walking around in lots
[18:39] of places in the country, the the the
[18:42] weekend that that went out and how it
[18:45] loomed over people and then we were
[18:46] like, are we about to be like Germans?
[18:50] Like, are we going to look back on this
[18:51] time in history as we as a country
[18:54] destroyed a whole other country even
[18:57] though it was not the will of, you know,
[19:01] the the people at large right now? There
[19:03] are some people at best that don't care
[19:05] that we're at war, but I don't know too
[19:07] many people that are gung-ho for this uh
[19:10] for this war.
[19:10] >> Even some of his supporters.
[19:12] >> Even some of his supporters. And so so
[19:14] that loomed over us and then it didn't
[19:16] happen. And then he hinted at it again
[19:19] and it had less juice this this time,
[19:21] but we still didn't want it to happen.
[19:23] And then it didn't happen. Meanwhile,
[19:25] don't get me wrong, there are strikes.
[19:27] There are people dying. like this is
[19:28] still very serious, but this idea that
[19:30] we're just going to nuke them or
[19:32] something like that that that keeps not
[19:35] happening. So that's one cycle of Trump
[19:37] says a thing and then he doesn't do that
[19:39] thing. And you could almost reliably
[19:41] sometimes depending on the story, count
[19:43] on him not doing the thing he said he
[19:45] was going to do. If it's a promise, he
[19:46] won't do it. Like if it if he promised
[19:48] you something, you could take it to the
[19:50] bank that he won't be at the bank.
[19:51] >> Yeah. It's the taco thing. Cup always
[19:53] chickens out. And and then there are
[19:55] bigger cycles that are even outside of
[19:59] of Trump. And one is that war as
[20:03] especially war as other countries
[20:05] understand it is always happening. We
[20:08] are in a particular and privileged
[20:10] position that when we are at war, we
[20:12] don't have to feel it. We are the
[20:13] equivalent of going out with your
[20:15] friends to a bar and let's say it's six
[20:18] of you and then five of those friends
[20:20] get in a fight across the bar and you're
[20:22] able to just sip your drink. Because
[20:24] when we are at war, we don't feel it. We
[20:27] don't see it. We see as much of it as we
[20:30] would like to see. And if we change the
[20:32] channel, then all of a sudden the war is
[20:33] not happening. And so I think that there
[20:35] are some things that seem like undue
[20:40] anxiety
[20:41] um on our part which are really just us
[20:45] having the human experience that a lot
[20:47] of other people have that don't have the
[20:49] resources we have, the money we have or
[20:51] the position on this part of the planet
[20:53] that we have. And so I think that there
[20:55] is a level of stress that is uh just
[21:00] human and I try to accept the fact that
[21:04] yes I do this for my job but I could
[21:07] turn it off and a lot of people don't
[21:09] have that luxury. A lot of people are
[21:11] living it to the point where it can't be
[21:13] turned off. It's their life.
[21:14] >> Okay. So I heard two things in there I
[21:15] just want to make sure I heard it
[21:16] correctly. One is again kind of
[21:18] perspective that you yes part of your
[21:21] job is you have to follow the news but
[21:23] you know that really if you didn't
[21:24] really feel like it you could not follow
[21:27] the news whereas many people in many
[21:30] parts of this country or or or more to
[21:33] your point in the world have no choice
[21:37] because the war is in their backyard.
[21:39] Yes. Uh, the second thing I heard you
[21:40] say is like you're not shooting for a no
[21:43] anxiety state, notwithstanding what
[21:45] influencers might be saying to you on
[21:47] Instagram. You're you accept that this
[21:49] is part of the human condition.
[21:51] >> Yes. Because the best example I can
[21:53] give, I have a lot of friends who are
[21:55] having kids, right? And there's
[21:57] something very noble and completely
[21:59] understandable about wanting to give
[22:01] your kid a better life than than you
[22:03] had. it it is um a driving force around
[22:06] like why some people work so hard is
[22:08] that they want to make sure that they
[22:09] provide in the ways that they were
[22:11] missing. Some people even say that the
[22:13] way that you parent is like trying to
[22:15] heal your own childhood, you know.
[22:19] But there are some people who are so
[22:23] okay or already come from so much
[22:26] privilege that to give their kid a
[22:28] better life would actually be to give
[22:31] their kid like a misunderstanding of
[22:34] what life is. It's like when you go on
[22:36] vacation, vacation isn't life. So if you
[22:38] are on a great vacation and then you
[22:40] know last day vacation, all right,
[22:41] you're a little bummed out that it's
[22:43] over, but you're ready to get back to
[22:44] work. You're rejuvenated and you're
[22:45] ready to go. If you expect life to be
[22:48] vacation, you're actually have a pretty
[22:50] terrible life. There are a lot of
[22:51] parents out there that are like trying
[22:53] to shield their child from every bad
[22:55] experience, trying to um make it so that
[22:58] they are able to get over these hurdles
[23:00] without realizing they're picking them
[23:02] up and putting them over the hurdle.
[23:03] They're not watching this child succeed
[23:05] for themselves. And so I think that all
[23:08] of the love and attention and effort
[23:10] that goes into that sort of thing is
[23:12] just a misplaced version of like some of
[23:16] the same things people do when they
[23:17] don't care. Because you'll find you'll
[23:19] find a kid who's never actually been
[23:21] told no or had to like fight for
[23:23] something or had to work for something
[23:25] themselves is actually somebody that
[23:27] nobody wants to be around. And so now
[23:29] you've actually given your kid a
[23:31] terrible life because they have
[23:32] everything. They have everything, but
[23:35] people don't really like them. They
[23:37] don't really have an appreciation for
[23:38] the things that they have. They might
[23:40] not have an appreciation for other
[23:41] people. I think it's very rare if
[23:43] something is just your exact lived
[23:45] experience for you to be able to step
[23:47] outside of that. Like you gain
[23:49] perspective from things changing. And so
[23:51] I I I look at anxiety the same way. It's
[23:54] like, yeah, life life has its its kicks.
[23:57] what whatever the thing is. It's like it
[24:01] the idea that I cannot be inconvenienced
[24:03] is is like it's so delusional. The idea
[24:07] that everyone has to like me. It's like
[24:09] just just because of the the sort of
[24:11] puzzle pieces of the makeup of our
[24:14] brains, we're not all going to like each
[24:15] other. And that's before politics.
[24:17] That's before all the other factors that
[24:19] people usually point to. I'm just saying
[24:21] like in in interpersonal
[24:24] um dealings, you'll have a person who
[24:26] just like whatever it is, maybe this
[24:28] person's too bubbly for them or maybe
[24:30] this person's too flat. It just rubs you
[24:32] the wrong way. The idea that everyone
[24:34] should like me, I should always get good
[24:36] feedback. I should never um have trouble
[24:40] with something is like that's just not
[24:43] life.
[24:44] >> You know, the question that's going
[24:45] through my head right now is I'm just
[24:46] sitting here across from you. You're
[24:47] you're a young guy. Were you 30
[24:49] something?
[24:50] >> Yes. Yes, I'm I'm definitely 30
[24:51] something. Specifically 36.
[24:54] >> 36. So to me young, you actually have
[24:57] quite a bit of innate wisdom and I'm
[25:00] trying to figure out like is that just
[25:01] something you were born with? Did you
[25:03] have really good parents? Have you had a
[25:04] really good therapist? You seem as I
[25:06] listen to you talk quite grounded and
[25:10] realistic and filled with perspective.
[25:12] >> That's very kind. I'm going to use this
[25:14] the next time that I'm in an argument.
[25:16] You got to clip this. I'mma play I'll
[25:18] play this exact thing. be like, "He said
[25:20] I was grounded." All right, I clearly
[25:23] must have a point.
[25:24] >> I do want to say to whoever you're
[25:25] fighting with, uh, I don't actually know
[25:27] you, so I could be
[25:29] >> That's fair.
[25:30] >> Completely tricking me.
[25:31] >> We will need to edit this part out.
[25:33] [laughter]
[25:35] >> Yeah.
[25:36] >> So, what's the answer? Where' you if if
[25:38] this is legit
[25:40] >> Uhhuh.
[25:40] >> where does it come from?
[25:41] >> I think that if I'm being honest, I have
[25:43] to say it's a little bit of everything.
[25:45] like I have um gone to therapy off and
[25:48] on. I'd like to think that
[25:52] while I couldn't always go to therapy as
[25:54] a as a means, you know, like when I was
[25:56] in Chicago, I was like broke and you
[25:59] know, I'm sure therapy would have been
[26:01] great, but I just couldn't afford it.
[26:03] And um I'd like to think that I go I
[26:07] have a I have a good insight on when I
[26:09] need to talk to someone and then I'm
[26:11] willing to uh but that isn't every week
[26:14] or every day and it's it's for whole
[26:17] portions of my life where I feel like
[26:19] you know I'm not internalizing things
[26:22] and I feel pretty good and then I have
[26:24] my support system my friends and family
[26:26] to talk to as well and and the the
[26:28] issues that I'm having I feel like they
[26:30] are equipped to give me insight. tight
[26:33] on. So, I think I'm good. And then
[26:34] whenever it's bigger than that or deeper
[26:36] than that, then I then I go. Um, as far
[26:40] as how I was raised, you know, I was
[26:42] very blessed to be uh raised by not just
[26:46] good people, but I think really really
[26:48] wise and earnest people. Um, people who
[26:53] you can you can take them at their word
[26:55] that they believe what they say they
[26:57] believe and and then I think a lot of
[27:00] things start from there. I think if I
[27:01] think if you are if you're not
[27:03] consistently lying to yourself uh about
[27:06] your beliefs, I think you're able to let
[27:09] that sort of branch out into the other
[27:12] things that into your actions and into
[27:14] other things that you do. Like not to go
[27:16] on too much of a tangent cuz I want to
[27:17] answer the rest of your question, but
[27:18] like I do find that there are some
[27:21] people who underneath everything that
[27:23] they say they believe, they don't
[27:25] really. So then their actions don't
[27:27] reflect that and their words are
[27:29] performative. So then for me, you know,
[27:32] been blessed with good friends and then
[27:35] also been blessed with um the right
[27:38] people in my life at the right time. And
[27:41] I'm sure some of that's a sort of like
[27:43] confirmation bias sort of thing. But I
[27:45] do really believe that. I think that
[27:47] whether it's conversations I've had that
[27:50] were 10 minutes long that stuck with me
[27:52] or friendships I've had for my entire
[27:54] life, like I' I've been been really
[27:57] blessed that the right people have been
[27:59] in my life at the right times and that
[28:01] whether it was life or my own personal
[28:04] choices, it got the people who were not
[28:06] good for me away from me.
[28:08] >> Was faith a part of your upbringing and
[28:10] is it a part of your life now? Yes, I I
[28:12] was raised in church and I don't go to
[28:16] church as often now, but I I feel like
[28:20] all of the
[28:23] all the lessons that I took away from
[28:26] church as a kid or a part of my life
[28:28] now. And I'd like to think that I am the
[28:33] the beneficiary of a lot of good
[28:35] lessons. And I've also been able to
[28:39] I've also been able to question the
[28:41] things that I don't think are congruent
[28:44] with like the rest of the message if
[28:46] that makes sense. In uh Kendrick Lamar's
[28:49] album like Mr. Moral and the Big
[28:51] Steppers, there's a a song where he is
[28:56] basically asking the pastor in this
[28:58] lyric form, should we not love our
[29:00] neighbor, the rules of the land or the
[29:03] heart, what's greater? cuz it was his
[29:05] pastor coming down on his cousin, I
[29:09] believe, for being gay or being trans or
[29:12] you sometimes have once again like a
[29:15] real inongruence. There are these people
[29:17] of faith that teach a message of love
[29:21] and then when you see them online or
[29:24] when you see them even in person at a
[29:27] lot of different points, they don't seem
[29:30] to have that love that they that they
[29:33] preach. And so I think that there's a a
[29:38] real gap there, especially with modern
[29:39] Christianity and what it's sort of
[29:41] turning into through politics. And so I
[29:44] think that knowing when to side sideline
[29:48] that stuff that I feel like is
[29:50] specifically not what the religion is
[29:52] about. something so specifically
[29:55] cultural, in the moment, just like
[29:57] temporal over things that are eternal is
[30:01] like that to me is the best way to
[30:04] digest everything that I've been taught.
[30:06] You know, like like there will be
[30:08] Christianity after Trump, but there's a
[30:10] specific type of Christianity with Trump
[30:13] that doesn't seem like it's anywhere in
[30:15] the Bible.
[30:16] >> Fair. I uh I covered for a long time. I
[30:20] spent a lot of time when I was a
[30:21] reporter covering evangelical Christians
[30:23] even though I was raised in a atheist
[30:26] context although I did have a bar
[30:27] mitzvah but I often joke that I did that
[30:29] only for the money.
[30:30] >> Sure. Um, and I the evangelicals I met
[30:35] were very sincere and I spent a lot of
[30:37] time with folks and it was really it was
[30:39] like I was a fish out of water spending
[30:40] a lot of time with these evangelicals in
[30:42] the heartland. And I was actually I
[30:44] really walked away in a lot of these
[30:46] cases impressed um and it it jarred me
[30:50] out of the stereotypes that I held as
[30:52] somebody who was raised in
[30:53] Massachusetts. But now I look at the
[30:56] American evangelical scene and I can I
[30:59] can't do the math on how they're down
[31:02] with a guy who like this. But anyway,
[31:04] having said that, it seems to me that
[31:06] you're saying, "Okay, yeah, I I set
[31:08] aside what I view as the hypocrisy of
[31:10] the modern manifestations of the faith,
[31:13] but like the eternal parts around like
[31:15] let's be a kind person. I'm down with
[31:17] that." And actually, that kind of brings
[31:19] me to your recent special on HBO
[31:22] Symphony. You should watch it. HBO Max
[31:25] streaming right now. How'd I do
[31:27] >> that? No, that was that was great. If
[31:29] anything, I'm I was almost going to look
[31:31] into your camera after you did, but I'll
[31:33] just look into this camera and be like,
[31:34] "Yeah, thanks. He's right." [laughter]
[31:38] In Symphony, there's a whole part toward
[31:40] the beginning. I c can't remember
[31:41] exactly what the context was. We were
[31:43] really just talking about how you you
[31:45] put a lot of emphasis on being a kind
[31:48] and decent person. And I was I was
[31:50] curious like was that just part of the
[31:52] bit or is that really a thing for you
[31:55] and is that based in in the faith in
[31:57] which you were raised?
[31:58] >> So it is it is a thing for me. One one
[32:01] thing I I'll say about like kindness
[32:04] especially in any form of the public eye
[32:07] is you do have pretty far to fall as
[32:11] well. Like that's that's the other
[32:13] that's the other risk with being um the
[32:17] whatever like nice or kind person is
[32:19] that in any moment that your your
[32:24] impatience or in any moment that your
[32:27] anger bubbles up to the forefront all of
[32:30] a sudden now it was all an act
[32:32] >> as opposed to you having 498 good days
[32:35] and two bad days. Whereas if you are a
[32:38] little bit more and I think it's why we
[32:40] have like the current political system
[32:42] we have if you're a bit more like
[32:45] brutish and if you're loud and obnoxious
[32:50] then anytime you're not that thing it's
[32:52] like you know I think beneath the
[32:53] surface he's actually like a really good
[32:55] guy. And so there's once again a sort of
[32:59] like hypocrisy of our understanding of
[33:01] who people are and who they present
[33:03] themselves to be. And so to me when when
[33:06] I'm talking about being like nice in
[33:08] symphony or even when I'm talking about
[33:11] um religion to a degree there's there's
[33:14] some aspect of it for me that is so much
[33:16] about what you know you are. And it's
[33:20] actually why some people need so badly
[33:22] to lie to themselves because if you were
[33:24] alone with yourself as you truly are,
[33:26] some people wouldn't know how to handle
[33:28] it. And so you come up with all of these
[33:30] like reasonings and ideas of why you did
[33:33] each thing and what each thing meant and
[33:35] I only did it because of that or
[33:37] whatever. But like when you're really
[33:39] deep down by yourself, especially
[33:41] meditating, you kind of know. And that's
[33:44] um something that I wanted to get to the
[33:46] heart of on top of getting to the heart
[33:48] of other like big ideas that are
[33:51] timeless, you know, like like ideas
[33:53] around family, ideas around love, ideas
[33:56] around like religion as well. And so my
[34:00] attempt is to speak very like broadly
[34:04] and plainly about my experiences, how
[34:06] they fit through these lenses or vice
[34:09] versa, like like all of these things
[34:11] through my lens as well. Um, and so
[34:14] that's what I I hope people get out of
[34:15] it when they watch it. Do you find that
[34:18] you're like you have um a kind of
[34:22] internalized Old Testament God uh
[34:25] judging you on your level of kindness
[34:27] moment to moment?
[34:28] >> I'm am sure this is like not how some
[34:32] theologian would would say I'm supposed
[34:34] to think about it. But I don't actually
[34:36] separate the testaments in in my mind. I
[34:39] think that
[34:40] separating them can get you into a bit
[34:43] of trouble on an understanding of what
[34:46] like the human experience is over time
[34:48] and an understanding of a
[34:51] misunderstanding of of God in general. I
[34:53] find that a lot of the Old Testament
[34:56] thinkers are also the people who happen
[34:59] to like love and serve a God who hates
[35:01] all the people they do because that that
[35:04] is was their takeaway from Old Testament
[35:06] and they forget all New Testament. They
[35:08] forget the biatitudes. They forget the
[35:11] um the the little lessons of of both
[35:13] like humility and charity that that
[35:16] Jesus taught and all that stuff is way
[35:19] more difficult. It's actually really
[35:22] easy to throw a rock. Like if you if you
[35:24] wanted to stone someone, I bet you could
[35:26] get that done in an afternoon. But if
[35:28] you want to love someone through
[35:30] addiction, that's going to be incredibly
[35:32] difficult. That's going to that's going
[35:34] to be remarkably hard because you're
[35:36] going to have to contend with a lot of
[35:38] things at one time. There's the person
[35:39] that you love, the person that you at
[35:42] least believe that you know, and then
[35:44] there's someone who is struggling with
[35:46] addiction. And so there's a way that
[35:48] someone's going to behave through their
[35:50] their struggle with their addiction. And
[35:52] then beyond all of that, there is like a
[35:55] soul to be seen. And then in trying to
[35:59] connect with and and see that soul, it's
[36:01] like it it can be marred by all of these
[36:05] actions and all of this thinking that
[36:07] might not even be the sort of like right
[36:10] mind of the person. If the person had
[36:12] their addiction to put to the side and
[36:14] had the decisions to make over again,
[36:16] would they make all the same decisions?
[36:18] Maybe, maybe not. But I think that when
[36:20] you are trying to behave and love in the
[36:25] way that Jesus taught, at least in the
[36:28] way that the new uh King James version
[36:32] of the Bible with the red parts
[36:34] highlighted for what Jesus said says, if
[36:37] you're trying to do all of that, that's
[36:39] going to be way harder than God hates
[36:41] all the people I hate, you know? And so
[36:43] I don't I don't separate them because I
[36:45] feel like that would um sidestep some
[36:48] questions. I think if you're just
[36:50] thinking New Testament, then you lose
[36:52] sight of how stark of a difference
[36:55] people's experiences were century to
[36:57] century with with God and with like
[37:00] God's law and everything. And I think
[37:03] that there's a lot of anxietyinducing
[37:06] things that um that you can pull away
[37:10] from just reading the Old Testament. And
[37:12] I think there's a lot of delusion that
[37:13] you can read from just reading the New
[37:16] Testament. As I record this, I am uh in
[37:19] a large house filled with lots of
[37:22] families. We're all taking a break
[37:24] together. I have an 11-year-old, but
[37:26] many of the other families here have
[37:27] teenagers. And one thing I've been
[37:29] watching up close with great interest
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[38:44] for full disclosure. Let me get back to
[38:47] Symphony for a second. in in these
[38:48] anxious times. I'm curious what you
[38:50] think about the role of comedy and
[38:53] there's a I was struck at the beginning
[38:56] of your special again symphony there's a
[38:58] DJ on the street and he's got a sign in
[39:01] front of him. Do you remember the exact
[39:03] words?
[39:03] >> So it starts with sort of a Moscow quote
[39:06] with my addition on top of it. So, uh,
[39:09] the quote, I believe, if I'm quoting it
[39:12] exactly right, was, uh, if art is how we
[39:14] decorate space and music is how we
[39:17] decorate time, comedy is how we decorate
[39:19] reality.
[39:20] >> That Basot quote and your embellishment
[39:23] on top of it was important enough to you
[39:25] to put right at the top of the special.
[39:28] >> Yes, cuz it's it's what the special and
[39:31] I aim to do. and you look at art and you
[39:35] see a blank canvas and that blank canvas
[39:37] has this imitous potential in that space
[39:41] to be whatever and then an artist comes
[39:43] along and the artist has a vision in
[39:46] their mind of what that space could look
[39:48] like and so they create it and then we
[39:50] look at this painting and we don't even
[39:52] see canvas when you when you see the
[39:55] Mona Lisa you don't think about the
[39:56] canvas that's underneath it and and when
[39:58] you when you see great work you don't
[39:59] think about oh that used to just be raw
[40:02] Right. Uh but it's very easy to look at
[40:05] a canvas and say it is what it is. It's
[40:07] the artist that comes along and makes it
[40:08] something else. Uh music works the same
[40:11] way. Music is how we decorate our time.
[40:13] You could look at time as whatever these
[40:15] seconds passing on a clock to track it
[40:18] and it is what it is. It used to be 3:00
[40:20] and now it's 4:00, right? But the artist
[40:23] comes along and they're like, I want to
[40:25] fill that time that passes with music
[40:28] and and the music perfectly fills out
[40:30] that time. There are songs I can listen
[40:33] to over and over and over again because
[40:35] the artists came along and decorated
[40:38] this space and it doesn't have to be for
[40:41] my time but they they decorated it
[40:43] however they saw fit and I choose to
[40:45] fill my time with it. And you could look
[40:47] at reality a lot of acceptance is
[40:50] looking at reality as it is what it is.
[40:52] That is what happened. That just is how
[40:55] people are. This is what we do. I don't
[40:57] know. This is how it's always been done.
[40:59] this is what I think things should be
[41:01] like. And comedians come along and they
[41:03] sort of decorate that reality. They
[41:05] decorate like why do we do this? Like a
[41:08] lot of good comedy comes from asking
[41:10] questions of yourself and then of the
[41:12] audience. And so sometimes good jokes
[41:15] come in the form of a question. But it's
[41:17] like why why do we have socks?
[41:21] [laughter] Who figured out socks? Now
[41:22] you could just look at getting dressed
[41:24] in the morning. It's like I put on my
[41:25] socks. I put on my shoes. But then the
[41:27] comedian comes along and they're like,
[41:30] "Why aren't the bottom of shoes flat?"
[41:33] Like, they got have all these ridges.
[41:35] Are the ridges helping me? Like, what is
[41:37] the ridge for? Because I've worn
[41:39] Champions, I've worn Nikes, I've worn
[41:41] Adidas, and they have different ridges.
[41:43] And some of them got circle ridge. What
[41:45] is that? And then some of them have like
[41:47] a split in the middle. Like, am I
[41:49] walking around on buck teeth? And so
[41:51] then you you ask all these questions.
[41:54] And in in the answering of those
[41:55] questions is a sort of decoration. It's
[41:57] no different than the decoration of
[41:59] space that that happens on uh a canvas.
[42:02] And I think it's no different than the
[42:04] decoration of time that is filled with
[42:06] music.
[42:07] >> But it it it strikes me I love all of
[42:09] that. It strikes me that in a context of
[42:13] a lot of political and geopolitical
[42:15] tumult that comedians can help us
[42:19] decorate reality in a couple of
[42:22] meaningful ways. one, give voice to our
[42:26] anger and anxiety and helplessness in a
[42:29] in a way that's kind of constructive in
[42:31] that it helps helps us move through the
[42:35] emotions in a in a way that gets us to a
[42:38] laugh and makes us feel like we're all
[42:39] in it together. I I started that as if
[42:42] it's a list, but actually that's just
[42:44] the one thing that I was thinking of.
[42:46] >> Sure. But I also think that there's uh
[42:49] sometimes a distilling of a lot of
[42:51] thoughts or feelings that come through
[42:53] in a joke for a person like the comedian
[42:55] that told the joke, but they also end up
[42:58] being exactly how the audience distills
[43:00] those things as well. One of the things
[43:02] that I aim to do, whether it's the
[43:04] weekly sets that I put out on YouTube,
[43:06] which are more topical, or the something
[43:09] that's meant to be timeless like
[43:11] Symphony, that I hope for people to
[43:12] watch like 50 years from now, even if
[43:14] they don't know who I am, they just
[43:16] could turn it on and watch it and enjoy
[43:17] it. is is that you are
[43:22] like in in a in a universe that is so
[43:25] expansive, in a world that is so big,
[43:27] and in the short amount of time that you
[43:29] have, not only do you matter, but you
[43:31] aren't alone. There are millions of
[43:32] people feeling the things that you feel.
[43:34] Like the idea that we even have a
[43:36] loneliness epidemic means that there are
[43:38] plenty of friends to be made and plenty
[43:40] of people who could benefit from from
[43:42] being a friend or having a friend. And I
[43:45] think that with comedy, what you can do
[43:47] is you can take all these things that
[43:50] might just seem like platitudes if
[43:51] they're just said, if they're just
[43:52] tweeted out, if they're just like
[43:54] sitting in front of you, and then when
[43:56] colored with stories both from your
[43:58] personal life or just like making an
[44:01] assessment of the thing that is
[44:02] happening, then uh I think that you can
[44:06] show you can show it more efficiently.
[44:09] this idea that you're not alone or this
[44:11] idea that you even matter, you know,
[44:13] like I I I think that a lot of people
[44:16] end up making art for a version of
[44:18] themselves that that they needed and
[44:20] that's why it like comes out of them and
[44:23] I think that those were things that at
[44:24] any given point in my life I needed to
[44:27] hear. So you see something like the HBO
[44:30] special and that to me is like me trying
[44:34] to tackle um things that will be around
[44:38] as subjects and maybe issues much longer
[44:42] than I'll be around. Whereas the weekly
[44:44] that I put on YouTube, it's like I will
[44:46] take something that's happening right
[44:48] now that you may not care about in 2
[44:50] weeks and I will try to distill that
[44:52] thing from a place of making it make
[44:54] sense through jokes. Like you look at
[44:56] someone like RFK Jr. and how he's like
[44:58] the head of health.
[45:00] He's the He's the head of He's the top
[45:02] of health. He's the healthiest we have.
[45:06] That's terrifying. And not only is it
[45:08] terrifying, it reminds me of the time
[45:11] where my school nurse was sick. So now
[45:14] you're sick and now she coughing. It's
[45:18] like, what are we supposed to do here?
[45:20] Cuz she sounds terrible. And it's like
[45:23] and that thing that like my my school
[45:27] nurse being sick is exactly what RFK Jr.
[45:30] feels like as the head of health and
[45:31] human services because it doesn't sound
[45:33] I mean from every report I've read it
[45:35] sounds like man's checked out. It sounds
[45:37] like he shows up for press conferences
[45:39] but like he hasn't been briefed on a
[45:41] bunch of things and it doesn't seem like
[45:43] he's trying to busy himself with like
[45:45] fixing problems. And I'm talking about
[45:47] the problems we have now. Never mind
[45:48] like we were supposed to make America
[45:50] healthy again by getting all the
[45:51] additives out. And I don't remember what
[45:53] happened to that. Skittles taste the
[45:55] same. [laughter]
[45:57] Did you get anything out? Maybe you did.
[45:59] Look, maybe I don't know. Maybe the
[46:00] Skittles are completely different. But
[46:03] things things that they don't ingest in
[46:05] Europe are ingested here. Meanwhile,
[46:08] we're like, why are we the sickest
[46:09] people of the world? It's like seems
[46:11] like you could put two and two together.
[46:13] There's just a lot of money to be made
[46:14] by keeping things the way they are with
[46:16] people who are already making money. And
[46:18] so maybe you could make your entire
[46:20] administration and your entire tenure as
[46:22] the head of health and human services as
[46:24] challenging all that, but I don't know
[46:26] if that's happening if you're, you know,
[46:28] taking pictures with uh like fast food
[46:32] in front of you and stuff like that.
[46:34] It's like I'm not saying that's a a
[46:36] whole endorsement, but as a as a guy
[46:39] who's skeptical of vaccines, you don't
[46:41] seem too skeptical of hamburgers.
[46:43] And I think that all of that stuff is is
[46:46] something you could poke fun at. And you
[46:48] don't have to be making the final
[46:50] statement on all of politics. I'm not
[46:53] trying to convince anyone uh to believe
[46:56] exactly what I believe, but I do think
[46:58] by questioning things, I might make them
[47:01] question why they think what they think.
[47:03] >> Yes. And it feels to me like you're
[47:05] actually kind of just helping us, you're
[47:08] helping reality go down smoother. You're
[47:10] actually getting us to acceptance.
[47:12] really this is bringing the conversation
[47:14] full circle. That's one of the services
[47:16] you're providing that you're helping us
[47:19] laugh about what's happening, process it
[47:22] together so that we can do the next
[47:24] thing which is engage effectively.
[47:25] >> It's it's definitely an aim and I've
[47:29] really wrestled for years
[47:32] as long as I've been putting things out
[47:34] on YouTube. I've wrestled with the idea
[47:36] of like, okay, how should I go about
[47:40] doing that? Because is it always the
[47:42] right thing to do?
[47:43] >> I don't I don't I don't want to make the
[47:45] news go down easy enough that it feels
[47:48] normal because these things are not
[47:50] normal and some things are like that's
[47:52] actually why sometimes I don't cover a
[47:54] topic because I don't want to make the
[47:56] mistake of something can be done about
[47:59] like RFK Jr. being head of health and
[48:01] human services. He could be fired. Do
[48:03] you know what I mean? And and something
[48:05] can be done about a lot of things. But
[48:08] then there are things that I think to
[48:10] get people feeling comfortable or to get
[48:13] people feeling okay with would be a
[48:16] disservice to to what whatever the topic
[48:18] is and to the people that I'm talking
[48:20] to. And so because my job is to do
[48:23] comedy and because my job is to make
[48:25] people laugh and and we're supposed to
[48:27] come together and have a good time, I
[48:28] can talk about things that are serious
[48:31] as well. But I I also don't take lightly
[48:35] the the subjects that I choose because I
[48:38] try to only choose things I really have
[48:39] something to say about and I try to also
[48:42] give some insight on what I think can be
[48:44] done about it because outside of that
[48:47] you're just complaining.
[48:49] >> Although I would say that sometimes the
[48:51] right type of complaining can be healthy
[48:54] catharsis.
[48:55] >> Sure. Sure. Absolutely. I'm not saying I
[48:57] know what to do in every scenario that
[48:59] I've brought up, but I try to really be
[49:01] mindful of what it is I'm going to say
[49:03] to people about about whatever it is I'm
[49:06] going to talk about. And I think that
[49:08] for something like symphony, it was it
[49:10] was a bit the the difficulty came from
[49:14] how do I hold up these subjects as
[49:16] pillars of the overall work and
[49:18] everything. And then the difficulty
[49:20] sometimes with the weekly is like
[49:23] how do I break this thing down in a way
[49:26] that feels uh digestible for the
[49:30] understanding and then what what would I
[49:34] do about it and what am I doing about it
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[51:11] You've mentioned the weeklies on YouTube
[51:14] a couple of times and I didn't mean to
[51:16] ask you about them. How many weeks have
[51:18] you been dropping these hour-long
[51:21] um pieces of content on YouTube for?
[51:24] >> We just made uh 3 years this week.
[51:27] >> Congratulations.
[51:28] >> Thanks. Yeah.
[51:28] >> And it's kind of insane. I mean, that's
[51:31] it's an extraordinary achievement, but
[51:32] like to do a an hour of new material
[51:36] every week on top of
[51:38] >> in that same period of time doing a a
[51:41] full special on HBO and then being one
[51:44] of the the a correspondent and co-host
[51:46] of the Daily Show. That's just an
[51:48] enormous amount of work. So, I'm just
[51:49] curious like how do you find the time
[51:52] and energy to do it? Why did you want to
[51:53] do it in the first place?
[51:54] >> I mean, some of it is uh some of it is
[51:58] like obsession. And I I want to I want
[52:02] to be my version of whatever the best
[52:04] is. And I look at comedians that um I
[52:07] feel like are just so incredible. And
[52:09] I'm like, how do you how do you get that
[52:11] good? Well, you get that good by
[52:13] practice. And what's the best type of
[52:14] practice to do something every day? And
[52:16] then if you're doing something every
[52:18] day, makes sense to put out that work.
[52:22] Putting out work makes it easier for you
[52:24] to accept what the responses are to your
[52:27] work. like all all these things every
[52:29] every day is like practice for the next
[52:32] day, you know? And so I'm set out to
[52:35] become a better writer, a better
[52:37] comedian, and it's on my mind all the
[52:40] time. I'm like writing all the time and
[52:42] everything. And then through g becoming
[52:45] more known and and getting more popular,
[52:48] I've been able to be on the road and do
[52:50] shows most weekends. And by doing shows
[52:53] more often, I'm able to practice the
[52:56] actual standup more often. And then it
[52:59] just is a yeah, it's a it's a a cycle
[53:03] that I'm on of like what is the thing
[53:06] that I'm passionate about to talk about,
[53:08] go out, talk about it,
[53:11] give it give it away to the people who
[53:13] couldn't make it to the show, and repeat
[53:16] that thing. You basically had an
[53:18] audacious goal, which is I want to be
[53:21] one of the best, if not the best, at my
[53:23] craft. And so, how am I going to do
[53:25] that? I'm going to work my ass off, and
[53:27] I'm just going to create. And I think
[53:29] you in an in a an accompanying social
[53:32] media post around the fact that you just
[53:35] reached this three-year milestone, you
[53:37] one of your messages to other aspiring
[53:40] creators of any type is you have to just
[53:42] start. And that appears to be what you
[53:46] did. Um, are you going to keep going
[53:49] forever?
[53:50] >> I'm not sure. I mean, I think the thing
[53:52] that's nice about um a pursuit of being
[53:56] the best is that in every art form,
[53:58] everything is so subjective and relative
[54:00] that like the best is like it's nice cuz
[54:02] it's it has a carrot in front of you
[54:04] that you're never going to get to, but
[54:05] it keeps you like running a bit harder
[54:07] on the treadmill, which keeps you fit,
[54:10] if that makes sense. I look at getting
[54:12] better as
[54:14] something that only I will know. So, it
[54:17] has to come with a little bit of
[54:20] acceptance that I'm getting better. But
[54:22] to call myself the best would feel like
[54:24] delusion. So, I'll never do that. So,
[54:27] then where does that leave you? And if
[54:30] you think about too hard, it kind of
[54:31] leaves you in a weird limbo. But if
[54:33] you're if you're like, "Oh, maybe I can
[54:35] be a little bit better tomorrow." And
[54:36] maybe I could be a little bit better
[54:37] tomorrow. and you keep getting tomorrows
[54:40] and you keep making things, then I think
[54:43] that you're on track to be somebody's
[54:46] best. I can be somebody's favorite.
[54:48] Can't be everybody's favorite. And I may
[54:50] never feel as good as the people I look
[54:52] up to, but that's okay. And and as long
[54:56] as you inspire somebody, somebody enjoys
[54:58] you, someone had a phenomenal time, it's
[55:01] the best show that they've ever seen,
[55:03] then who's to say you're not on that
[55:06] path? And I think that one of the most
[55:09] like biting things I' I ever got as
[55:13] advice was not luckily not even to me or
[55:15] I think about it every day. It was to
[55:17] somebody else in my class where there
[55:19] was someone who came to speak to us and
[55:21] they were talking to us about our
[55:23] projects and
[55:25] they had asked one of us um about their
[55:29] story. They were writing a short story
[55:31] and the person who was talking could
[55:33] tell them everything about the short
[55:35] story. They could even they were even
[55:38] projecting how the reader would feel at
[55:40] certain parts of the story and like and
[55:42] the twist and bl just getting it all out
[55:45] there and then they were like oh can I
[55:47] read it and they were like oh it's it's
[55:49] not quite done yet and simply they just
[55:53] simply said the most important thing
[55:55] about artists is that artists finish and
[55:57] it's like that's that's it. We're all so
[56:00] worried about people who aren't even
[56:02] looking at us. You know what I mean? You
[56:04] could worry all day about how somebody's
[56:06] gonna digest something that you put out
[56:08] or you could put it out and see because
[56:09] you could be wrong.
[56:10] >> Do you read the comments?
[56:12] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[56:13] >> I'm sure at times that's unpleasant.
[56:15] >> It can be. But I mean, I've been blessed
[56:17] with an incredible community around me
[56:20] that I think are really earnest both in
[56:22] their criticism and in their uh praise.
[56:25] And I try not to read too much because I
[56:28] think it could sway you one way or the
[56:29] other. It could have you feeling like
[56:31] the best that ever did it off of
[56:33] opinions online or it could have you
[56:35] feeling like you should quit off
[56:36] opinions online. Meanwhile, the thing
[56:39] you shared is a thing that the people in
[56:41] the video liked. That's one of the
[56:43] things in journalism that I sometimes
[56:46] was perplexed by. You would you would
[56:48] see online someone make a joke and
[56:52] especially if it was standup and
[56:53] especially if it was produced standup,
[56:55] right? There would be an anchor that
[56:58] would be talking with a panel about if a
[57:02] joke was funny, but then just play the
[57:04] clip. Are the people laughing? Then the
[57:06] people laughing found it funny. Even if
[57:08] I don't find it funny, like there
[57:10] there's plenty of things that I'm like,
[57:12] "All right, it's okay." And then if you
[57:14] play the clip, the people there are
[57:16] dying, though. So, it's funny to them.
[57:19] So, it's it's it's a hard thing to say
[57:22] what is and isn't funny. And it's and
[57:24] it's a hard thing to say what uh should
[57:28] and shouldn't be done. I can only
[57:30] control what I will and won't do and
[57:32] what I find funny. You know, I I think
[57:35] that like bombing is a good indication
[57:38] of whether or not you were funny.
[57:39] >> In the three years, are there moments in
[57:43] any of the videos where you bomb and
[57:45] you've posted it anyway?
[57:46] >> Not really. No. There there's definitely
[57:48] been some moments where I was like,
[57:50] let's let's leave this in when I'm doing
[57:53] that, you know, like like sort of
[57:56] assessment of which show went the best
[57:58] and my editor is like editing it. I'll
[58:01] be like maybe we leave this in because
[58:03] it didn't get the biggest laugh, but it
[58:04] is part of my overall like idea that I'm
[58:07] sharing. So sometimes those things are
[58:09] important and sometimes you'll you'll
[58:12] find like this happens sometimes with
[58:14] late night. It also happens with
[58:17] produced sets by uh like some third
[58:20] party company where a comedian will
[58:23] perform and then the comments will say
[58:26] like the audience didn't give them
[58:28] enough and maybe that's even they the
[58:32] audience wasn't miked as efficiently as
[58:34] possible or things can happen but people
[58:38] online are going to have their specific
[58:40] opinion of whatever you did. It might be
[58:41] influenced by how it went, but they're
[58:45] going to have their own opinion. And so,
[58:47] yeah, I I find that the practice is what
[58:50] has helped me not have to wonder, oh,
[58:53] the set didn't even go well, but should
[58:55] I post it just to say I'm keeping up?
[58:58] It's like I haven't really had to make
[59:00] that sort of decision.
[59:02] >> You've been very patient with all my
[59:03] questions today. Um,
[59:05] >> oh, it's not even patience. I like
[59:06] talking to you, but I also talk a lot.
[59:09] So, if at any point you want to chime in
[59:11] here, [laughter]
[59:13] feel free.
[59:14] >> That is not my job. My job is to get you
[59:16] talking.
[59:16] >> Okay. If you say so.
[59:18] >> Is there anything you were hoping we
[59:19] would get to that we haven't gotten to?
[59:21] Anything else coming up that you want to
[59:24] >> Oh, yeah. I can talk about the tour.
[59:26] >> Please do.
[59:27] >> Yeah. So, I'm very excited. Comedy Band
[59:29] Camp, which is my new tour. And the tour
[59:33] is and the intention behind it is to
[59:37] give everyone the sort of like camp
[59:39] experience that I always wanted. Um
[59:43] there's a lot of uh different aspects to
[59:46] the world that you that you're going to
[59:48] be visiting. So there's a show you can
[59:50] buy a ticket to a show and come enjoy
[59:52] the show and the show is going to have
[59:54] music. exam dance and and and comedy,
[59:57] but there's also a personality quiz that
[1:00:00] we have that you can take. And you take
[1:00:02] the personality quiz and it'll tell you
[1:00:03] what troop you're in. And the the troop
[1:00:06] is based off of like different people's
[1:00:08] personalities. Like if you're super
[1:00:10] independent, you might be red rogues. If
[1:00:12] you're a little mischievous, you might
[1:00:14] be feisty foxes. If you're like really
[1:00:17] into music and like um have a Yeah. have
[1:00:23] like a sense of awareness around your
[1:00:24] emotions. You might be sapphire blues
[1:00:26] and everything. You're more introverted.
[1:00:28] You might be fuchsia flames. And so all
[1:00:31] these troops come together and there's
[1:00:34] going to be um an aspect of the show
[1:00:37] where, you know, you can hopefully get
[1:00:40] to maybe meet your people. Um if you if
[1:00:43] you got ivy leaves and someone else got
[1:00:45] ivy leaves and y'all are both wearing
[1:00:47] your ivy leaf shirt, then yeah, you
[1:00:49] might be able to strike up a
[1:00:51] conversation just on that. But the
[1:00:52] intention around it is to introduce as
[1:00:56] many people as possible to people who
[1:00:58] are like them already. Not just in the
[1:01:00] fact that they wanted to go to a comedy
[1:01:02] show that night, but also um in their
[1:01:05] personality and and like and create
[1:01:07] these ice breakers so people already
[1:01:09] have something to talk about outright.
[1:01:11] And then there's going to we're going to
[1:01:13] have as far as the scope of the tour, as
[1:01:16] long as the tour lasts, there's going to
[1:01:17] be games that come out and and different
[1:01:19] like meetups that we're planning and
[1:01:21] everything and a scavenger hunt and
[1:01:23] stuff. So, I'm I'm working on making
[1:01:25] this uh something that people really can
[1:01:28] remember and on top of coming to the
[1:01:30] show.
[1:01:31] >> I love that. It's it's it's comedy. It's
[1:01:34] entertainment, but it's also like the
[1:01:36] antidote to the loneliness crisis, you
[1:01:38] know?
[1:01:38] >> That's what I hope. Yeah. I I hope
[1:01:40] there's a a source and a means of
[1:01:42] community through people coming to the
[1:01:45] show.
[1:01:45] >> Thank you for making time for me today.
[1:01:47] Really appreciate it. It was a pleasure
[1:01:49] to meet you.
[1:01:49] >> Yeah, it's great to meet you. And what a
[1:01:51] voice, by the way. Oh,
[1:01:52] >> thank you.
[1:01:52] >> What like what an incredible voice.
[1:01:55] >> I have a little brother.
[1:01:57] >> Same voice.
[1:01:58] >> Really?
[1:01:58] >> Yeah. Same. Our parents and wives cannot
[1:02:00] tell us apart.
[1:02:01] >> On the phone.
[1:02:02] >> Yeah.
[1:02:02] >> Wow.
[1:02:03] >> Yes.
[1:02:04] >> This is incredible because here's the
[1:02:05] thing. Sometimes when you're watching
[1:02:07] the news, you're thinking that's that
[1:02:08] person's news voice. Do you know what I
[1:02:11] mean? Like this is the voice I have to
[1:02:13] have to tell you about the horrible
[1:02:14] thing I'm about to tell you about.
[1:02:16] [laughter] Because honestly, I think you
[1:02:17] could deliver some real good bad news.
[1:02:20] >> Yeah. Well, that was my job for a long
[1:02:21] time.
[1:02:22] >> Yeah. Yeah. I get But but here's the
[1:02:23] thing. I watched you on TV and always
[1:02:26] thought like, all right, he's got to
[1:02:28] like center himself. He's got to get
[1:02:30] himself ready. He's got to like do the
[1:02:32] vocal the vocal warm up just so he can
[1:02:34] hit us with like 12 people today, right?
[1:02:37] But you you're over here. This is this
[1:02:39] is how you order breakfast.
[1:02:41] >> Yes. My first anchor job I was 23 years
[1:02:44] old and I looked like I was 12. But I
[1:02:47] had this crazy deep voice that is really
[1:02:50] is what saved me in those early years.
[1:02:52] >> Wow.
[1:02:53] >> I I want to hear a snippet of you kind
[1:02:56] of doing everything. [laughter]
[1:02:58] >> That would be great.
[1:03:00] Have you ever thought about like lending
[1:03:02] your voice to like the audio version of
[1:03:05] an instruction manual?
[1:03:07] >> Nobody's asked me to do that.
[1:03:08] >> I would ask you if I owned an appliance,
[1:03:11] I would ask you to do that immediately.
[1:03:13] >> You don't own an appliance?
[1:03:14] >> Well, I don't own a company.
[1:03:15] >> Oh, I see. I see that. If you
[1:03:17] >> I mean, you could read it to me. You
[1:03:19] could come over and then we could sit
[1:03:21] with my IKEA furniture as I put it
[1:03:24] together. And not only would it be a
[1:03:26] soothing experience, I feel like I would
[1:03:27] do it right [laughter] cuz I'm just
[1:03:29] hearing me in my head when I read.
[1:03:31] >> Yeah. You know, like your version.
[1:03:33] >> No, I'm I'm good on it. I'm all right.
[1:03:36] But you got Yeah. Like such a perfect
[1:03:38] delivering voice for information.
[1:03:41] >> The there you know there are all these
[1:03:43] sleep stories. The the people read
[1:03:46] boring stuff.
[1:03:46] >> Yeah. Like the calm app does that. I
[1:03:49] should probably do that. I could read
[1:03:51] >> No, 100%.
[1:03:52] >> Are you Are you not doing that already?
[1:03:53] Oh, I should do that.
[1:03:54] >> You have to do this.
[1:03:56] >> Even if you just do it for 10 minutes as
[1:03:58] a joke, you h you have to do this. I'm
[1:04:01] telling you. And find something. You got
[1:04:03] you got to find something like old
[1:04:05] school like like I would say read um
[1:04:10] I would say read a little Shakespeare.
[1:04:12] >> Hit him with some Shakespeare and like
[1:04:14] don't don't emote though. Whether you're
[1:04:16] like the cortisan or you're the porter
[1:04:19] or whatever, hit them with your Yes.
[1:04:22] monotone.
[1:04:23] >> Absolutely.
[1:04:24] >> I think you you would you would put them
[1:04:26] out.
[1:04:26] >> And the thing is now I don't even need
[1:04:28] to do it cuz AI can take a few snippets
[1:04:32] of my voice
[1:04:33] >> and just you just put the IKEA manual in
[1:04:36] it and it spits out me reading it.
[1:04:38] >> Can I tell you that that thing is
[1:04:41] something that I actually hate so much.
[1:04:45] I hate like I don't I don't necessarily
[1:04:47] hate all of AI, but the fact that like
[1:04:51] we were promised cures.
[1:04:54] >> Yeah.
[1:04:54] >> And the and then they're like, "Well, we
[1:04:56] could just steal your whole likeness."
[1:04:58] [laughter]
[1:04:59] That's the same, right? Like that's kind
[1:05:02] of like living forever.
[1:05:03] >> That's curing you of having a job.
[1:05:04] >> Yeah. We'll we'll cure you of having a
[1:05:06] job and no one will even know that
[1:05:08] you're gone. Exactly. It's like
[1:05:09] meanwhile it's like no you said that
[1:05:12] cancer screenings would become like
[1:05:15] 99.9%
[1:05:17] more efficient like you would what
[1:05:20] happened to that. It's like oh we're
[1:05:21] working on that but we could using just
[1:05:24] your retina [laughter]
[1:05:26] steal all of your personal information.
[1:05:28] What about that? That's good too right?
[1:05:31] I have such a bone to pick with like
[1:05:33] what we're being sold versus what we're
[1:05:35] getting because if they if they had a
[1:05:37] couple breakthroughs, I'd be like,
[1:05:39] "Y'all, I think we got to let them take
[1:05:41] all the water." You [laughter] know what
[1:05:42] I mean? But they don't. They're like
[1:05:44] their thing. The biggest thing I've been
[1:05:47] trying to get people to understand is
[1:05:49] that there is an an attitude towards AI
[1:05:52] as if it is an inevitability. Right? But
[1:05:56] who who told us it was an inevitability?
[1:05:58] the people from the company.
[1:06:01] >> Yes.
[1:06:02] >> So we we we forget how Tim Cook came out
[1:06:08] and said that the Apple Vision Pro would
[1:06:10] be the future of work and play. Like
[1:06:12] this dude was you will you won't he
[1:06:15] won't want to take it off. Apple Vision
[1:06:17] Pro. And then it came out and then
[1:06:19] people were like no. Do you mean like
[1:06:22] these people actually know so little
[1:06:24] about people about the future and about
[1:06:26] what we want or what has to be and for
[1:06:30] whatever reason with AI maybe because
[1:06:32] we're impressed by like getting a whole
[1:06:34] portrait in two seconds or something
[1:06:36] like that we're letting them in a way
[1:06:38] that doesn't make sense. You look at the
[1:06:40] metaverse Zuckerberg was like that's the
[1:06:42] fe you won't want to leave. He's selling
[1:06:44] you something.
[1:06:46] >> And they're all selling us AI right now.
[1:06:48] And the AI they're selling us isn't even
[1:06:49] the AI they're giving us,
[1:06:51] >> right?
[1:06:51] >> And that's what's so frustrating. It's
[1:06:53] like if there was truly a thing that was
[1:06:56] cur straight up curing people's cancer,
[1:06:59] I'd be like, "Yeah, I think you got to
[1:07:02] let the AI be the doctor. He he cures
[1:07:05] this AI cures." But that's not what's
[1:07:07] happening. What's happening is that they
[1:07:09] stole art and they stole art from
[1:07:12] artists and then they fed it back to us
[1:07:15] because now if you type in a prompt and
[1:07:17] you get a picture, it's it's based off
[1:07:20] of a mixture of other people's work. So
[1:07:23] AI almost doesn't exist. Like it's it's
[1:07:26] almost a lot like when I'm like, "Hey,
[1:07:28] did you hear what he said?
[1:07:31] >> Yes.
[1:07:31] >> That's like the best version of the best
[1:07:33] description I have for AI." like this
[1:07:35] generative idea that's coming up with
[1:07:38] with tons of things on its own that
[1:07:40] doesn't exist right now.
[1:07:41] >> You think the promise is all
[1:07:45] like that we're none of this none of the
[1:07:48] good stuff is going to come down the
[1:07:49] pike that mostly it's just going to be
[1:07:52] theft and job eraser.
[1:07:54] >> Yes. Because I think that the rate at
[1:07:57] which I think that art was the perfect
[1:08:01] red herring and the perfect placement to
[1:08:03] look like it was doing things it
[1:08:04] couldn't do. If I go in for a scan and
[1:08:07] I'm worried I may have something wrong
[1:08:09] with my body. You can't then steal
[1:08:12] someone else's scan and steal someone
[1:08:14] else's results and then wrap it all up
[1:08:16] and then hand it to me and be like,
[1:08:18] "Here's your scan. You need to be able
[1:08:20] to do what it is you say you're going to
[1:08:21] do." with art. I could be like, "Can you
[1:08:24] show me Donald Duck fighting an angel?"
[1:08:27] And you can mix Michelangelo and Walt
[1:08:30] Disney and a little bit of like Lex
[1:08:32] Fletcher or something like that. Like,
[1:08:34] you can mix all these cartoonists up and
[1:08:36] then give me that. But you can't you
[1:08:39] can't steal real results and they have
[1:08:41] what they have by scraping all of our
[1:08:43] work and selling it back to us. And so I
[1:08:46] don't I'm not saying that those things
[1:08:48] can't happen, but you would think they'd
[1:08:50] be working on them a little harder. Open
[1:08:52] AI spent billions on Sora. They didn't
[1:08:55] spend billions on this medical equipment
[1:08:58] to make cancer screenings perfect. They
[1:09:01] could have just like Zuckerberg could
[1:09:04] have spent $88 billion on something
[1:09:06] besides the metaverse, you know. And so
[1:09:08] it's like I think that those promises
[1:09:10] are what they hold above our heads. I
[1:09:12] think these salesmen are becoming a lot
[1:09:14] like politicians where we have to give
[1:09:17] them something. They used to just have
[1:09:18] to make stuff and then sell it to us.
[1:09:20] But now they have to sell us a promise
[1:09:22] and then that promise is going to be us
[1:09:25] giving them permission through
[1:09:26] legislation or through uh putting the
[1:09:28] people in office who they're going to
[1:09:29] lobby to whatever to change our lives
[1:09:32] for the thing they're still dangling
[1:09:34] over us that is not going to happen you
[1:09:37] know. And so I think that really coming
[1:09:39] to the understanding you see you even
[1:09:41] see grads doing it like you saw all
[1:09:43] those uh students booing those people
[1:09:46] giving the commencement speeches and
[1:09:48] it's like yes because we are saying no
[1:09:50] like we said no to Apple Vision Pro we
[1:09:52] are saying no the same way we said no to
[1:09:54] the metaverse. The difference here is
[1:09:56] that they've lobbyied our politicians
[1:09:58] and they've got they've got things that
[1:09:59] they shouldn't have been able to get
[1:10:01] based off promises that they do not have
[1:10:03] to fulfill to get us in a position where
[1:10:06] only they benefit. And I think that
[1:10:09] teaching and believing that it is an
[1:10:11] inevitability gives up our agency in a
[1:10:14] way that is unnecessary. You know, I
[1:10:17] understand there's the feeling of you
[1:10:18] can't fight city hall, you can't
[1:10:20] whatever, but I'm telling you, our
[1:10:24] rejection of the thing matters and it
[1:10:27] matters more than we are being given
[1:10:29] credit for by the people who want to
[1:10:31] build these data centers and communities
[1:10:33] that say no. It it matters more than the
[1:10:36] politicians who literally need our vote
[1:10:38] to stay in power. And right now, I think
[1:10:42] in this specific moment, and hopefully
[1:10:44] this year is the end of it, we are
[1:10:46] seeing um a complete disregard for the
[1:10:50] general public, for our effort, for our
[1:10:52] labor, and for our intelligence. Really,
[1:10:55] it's like the nerve it takes to take
[1:10:57] everything that I made and then sell it
[1:11:00] back to us as in someone else, my words,
[1:11:03] my my work, and my effort, but then also
[1:11:06] say, you don't need me. And they're
[1:11:08] finding now that like AI is not
[1:11:10] necessarily uh at least in its current
[1:11:12] state a net benefit to the uh market.
[1:11:16] It's it's sunken what? There's there's
[1:11:20] like $1.5 trillion sunk into it for
[1:11:22] what? Not for a profit. What what other
[1:11:26] ideas? Imagine if we were like, "Hey,
[1:11:28] what if we put one point $1.5 trillion
[1:11:31] into hunger? You're willing to lose the
[1:11:33] money anyway. you're bad with the money
[1:11:35] anyway, so you might as well feed some
[1:11:37] kids while you do it. You know, 88
[1:11:40] billion dollars like that. That's the
[1:11:41] thing. Not to go on another tangent, but
[1:11:43] it was you you also may want to cut
[1:11:45] this, but one of the things [laughter]
[1:11:47] that I was saying to a friend about like
[1:11:49] especially after that last shooting at
[1:11:51] the White House on the lawn was like all
[1:11:54] Trump would have to do is come out. He
[1:11:57] because now we're talking we're losing
[1:11:59] count on attempts, right? And so now all
[1:12:02] Trump would have to do is come out and
[1:12:04] be like, "Hey, you know what y'all? Free
[1:12:06] school lunch. Y'all not going to shoot
[1:12:08] free school lunch." All right. Free
[1:12:10] school lunch. And and you know what? I'm
[1:12:12] I'mma walk without a hat on. Free school
[1:12:14] lunch for everybody.
[1:12:16] I think that the these people are um
[1:12:19] they're too they're too set in their
[1:12:21] ways. I think they're too greedy and
[1:12:22] they're too blinded by what they think
[1:12:24] they can get to. They will they will
[1:12:26] sink the whole world. they will burn it
[1:12:28] all down just to try to get to a version
[1:12:30] of AI that nobody asked for that we
[1:12:32] don't need that that we have no plan. If
[1:12:35] if the US was one of those countries
[1:12:37] that might genuinely be open to some
[1:12:39] sort of UBI like if they were actually
[1:12:42] open to a universal basic income as a as
[1:12:45] an like a bipartisan effort, then yeah,
[1:12:48] let's give it a shot. Let let's let's
[1:12:50] give some of it a shot. Not all of it
[1:12:51] because you're still making all the
[1:12:52] water dirty, but like let's give it some
[1:12:55] sort of shot. But you can't tell me that
[1:12:58] you're going to steal from me and then
[1:13:00] make me pay you for the things that used
[1:13:03] to be free all while displacing me and
[1:13:07] think that nothing's going to happen.
[1:13:09] That's actually insane.
[1:13:10] >> What I can say with some degree of
[1:13:12] confidence is
[1:13:14] the next 5, 10, 15, 20 years are going
[1:13:17] to be tumultuous and uh and largely
[1:13:21] because of AI. Um and we're going to
[1:13:24] need comedy.
[1:13:25] >> Fingers crossed. Yeah,
[1:13:26] >> we're going to need comedy.
[1:13:27] >> Yeah. Yeah. That's why it's important to
[1:13:29] come see me in person. Somebody could
[1:13:31] steal my likeness and be like, I love
[1:13:33] Sora. [laughter]
[1:13:35] >> Sora is the best in I mean, somebody
[1:13:36] could clip it. Yeah. Yeah. Come to the
[1:13:39] real show. Be with real people.
[1:13:41] [laughter]
[1:13:42] >> Indeed. Just want to remind everybody um
[1:13:45] aside from your tour again, you got that
[1:13:47] special on HBO. It's called um Symphony.
[1:13:50] And uh you are a regular on the Daily
[1:13:53] Show. Yeah, you can go to Josh Johnson
[1:13:55] Comedy on YouTube and you go to josh
[1:13:57] johnson.com for tickets to the tour.
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