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Inspiration

The Separate Self and the Initial I: Letting God Take Over

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Lisa Cairns
Nov 2, 2026
7 min de lectura

De Lisa Cairns

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The broadcast has not started yet. A teacher sits in front of a camera, fiddling with a Zoom setup she admits she is still learning, while a small crowd waits for the link to sync. When the talk finally begins, Lisa Cairns rereads her own title aloud, checking it as if it were a line she had to get right: "Your only job is to let God take over." What follows, across more than an hour of live teaching, is less a sermon about surrender than a patient dissection of the one thing she says stands between a person and that surrender, which is the sense of being a separate self. She traces where that self comes from, why it hardens into a story that feels like reality, and why the suffering it produces is, in her framing, the defining feature of non-duality's diagnosis. Her proposed remedy is to return to what she calls the "initial I," the bare sense of being before it attaches itself to a body, a history and a list of wants.

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When does the separate self first appear?

Cairns places the moment at around age two or three. Before that, she argues, a child does not know it has a body, and experience is simply happening: "There is just sadness." A toddler who is upset is not yet someone who is upset. Somewhere in early childhood, a witness appears, a sense of "that's me," and with it the first stories: I am the one who is upset, and I don't want to be upset.

She reaches for an image most listeners will recognise. "You could look at it a little bit like Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden," she says (around the 10-minute mark). They become aware of their nakedness and are sent out of Eden. For Cairns, that is the story of self-awareness itself: the moment innocence ends, not because of wrongdoing but because someone is now watching. The separate self, which she notes is sometimes called the ego, is "very weak at two or three years old" and grows stronger over time.

She is careful about terminology. Her own teachers used the word "ego" in a positive sense, for the character and personality a person presents, so she finds it a slippery word to use for the problem. What she means is narrower: the mechanism that turns experience into a self-image and then defends that image.

Why do babies and animals seem so free?

This is where the talk becomes most vivid. Cairns describes a new puppy named Lakshmi who "doesn't have the ability to look in the mirror and to think, 'Wow, I am a stunningly beautiful puppy.'" When Lakshmi barks, she is barking. When she eats, she is eating. Nobody inside is telling a story about wanting to be a better puppy.

She is quick to head off a misreading. "I'm not saying they're enlightened," she says, "but they don't have this separation yet." The freedom of the animal and the baby is not a spiritual attainment. It is an absence of self-reference. Because they cannot imagine themselves any other way, they carry no remorse, guilt, shame or pride about who they are. They are where they are, moment to moment, with whatever is arising.

The point of the comparison is to make visible something adults rarely notice: how much of our suffering depends on the picture we hold of ourselves, not on what is actually happening.

How does an imagined self become a source of suffering?

Cairns describes the adult version with unusual specificity. She recalls having "an image of myself in the head," an image she was always trying to live up to. Other people build it out of ordinary parts: "I like shopping and I like trees and I like nature," "I have a certain amount of my bank balance," "I'm a doctor." The self-image is then tuned, through habit and circumstance, to make the best or worst possible version of you. She notes that even a self-criticism can serve the ego, since being the one who is hard on yourself keeps you at the centre of the story.

The suffering, in her account, comes from living in that image rather than in the present. "You're not seeing life as it is," she says, "you're seeing life through a lens of your imagination" (around the 16-minute mark). That lens creates a felt sense of being someone inside the body, and it is fed by two anxieties she names directly: the body must die, so the self believes it will die, and the self believes it is the body and its possessions. In that frame, being imperfect becomes "unbearable," because imperfection threatens the entire identity. She adds a sober observation: much of life goes the way it goes, whatever the self's plans, and most people know that at some level.

What is the "initial I," and why does it matter?

The remedy Cairns offers is a return to origins. In non-duality, she says, the work is to "go back to the source of what you are" before the creation of the story, back to "the initial I before it goes I am this body. I am good. I am better than... I want this. I want that." The aim is to stay in that initial I.

She calls it a "gateless gateway" to the true self, and her description of what lies behind it is deliberately paradoxical. "That which was never separate is totally empty," she says. "It's totally empty and full simultaneously. So, it's not a thing and it's all things." This is the territory of advaita and non-duality more broadly, where the question is not how to improve the self but how to notice that the self, as a fixed object, was never there to begin with. The talk does not try to resolve the paradox; it asks the listener to stay close to the felt sense of being that precedes the thoughts about it.

What does "let God take over" look like in practice?

The title promises surrender, and the opening stretch of this talk does not develop God as a theme. What it does develop is the mechanism that keeps the separate self in charge: the witnessing that became a manager, a planner and a judge. Letting go, on this reading, begins with noticing that the one trying to steer life is the constructed self, and then choosing not to fund its daydream of control. Cairns's own phrasing, that the remedy is to stay in the initial I, is the most concrete instruction she gives in the material available here.

The format of the event matters too. Around the 23-minute mark she invites participants to raise a hand and be heard, and much of the second half is conversation. Around 71 minutes, a participant describes trying self-inquiry on their own, the practice of turning attention back toward the one who is asking the question. Cairns's answers return repeatedly to the same point: investigate what is actually present, rather than the story about it.

Where to go from here

If the ideas here are new, the most useful next step is the full video, which runs just over 81 minutes and includes the Q&A that grounds the teaching in participants' questions. Listen first to the opening stretch, where the separate self is traced from age two or three, and then to the passage on the initial I. Then try the simplest version of Cairns's inquiry for a day: notice the moment a story about yourself begins, and notice what remains before the story arrives. Event and livestream details are linked in the video's description for anyone who wants to join the live conversations.

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[0:09] Yes, I'm just waiting for it to start

[0:11] broadcasting and then we will start.

[0:32] Mhm. Okay.

[0:36] It didn't go to the um card that I set

[0:39] up.

[0:50] Yeah.

[0:52] I think everything is working nicely.

[1:05] Okay.

[1:07] So,

[1:08] welcome everybody. Your video is not

[1:10] being shown onto YouTube. So, all good.

[1:15] Yeah.

[1:18] And welcome to those on YouTube. I'm

[1:20] sorry if you're waiting on the wrong

[1:23] YouTube link. It uh

[1:27] it doesn't sync with the um YouTube card

[1:31] that I put. I remember that from when I

[1:32] used to stream, that was a problem.

[1:35] Just for the next couple of weeks I have

[1:37] to um

[1:39] broadcast from Zoom.

[1:41] And uh

[1:46] yeah, I'm not so familiar with it, so

[1:48] I'm learning it

[1:50] as I go.

[2:02] All right.

[2:04] We can just shut that down.

[2:12] So, the title of today

[2:15] is

[2:16] I think it's the only job that you have

[2:19] is to let God

[2:23] I have to go and look at the title

[2:24] again.

[2:28] Your only job is to let God take over.

[2:34] Your only job is to let God take over.

[2:57] >> [snorts]

[6:08] >> Hey.

[7:45] >> So, we'll just start from the very

[7:47] beginning.

[7:49] Um

[7:59] So, what happens for most of us

[8:05] is that

[8:08] at around the age two or three years

[8:10] old,

[8:11] we used to begin to develop something

[8:13] that we can call the ego or the separate

[8:16] self.

[8:41] And what that is is um

[8:45] the identification with the body mind.

[8:48] So, before two or three years old,

[8:53] you didn't know

[8:55] that you had a body.

[8:57] Unless you were like super intelligent,

[8:59] like some

[9:02] Some kids are super intelligent and know

[9:04] know that a lot younger, but

[9:06] most

[9:08] is later two, three, four.

[9:11] You didn't know that this was your body.

[9:15] Or that you were interacting with the

[9:17] world, that there was a

[9:20] a you here interacting. There was just

[9:22] action.

[9:24] So, this is similar to the animals.

[9:25] There's just crying,

[9:27] happiness, joy, fear.

[9:31] But, there's nobody

[9:33] that knows that.

[9:34] So, the baby doesn't know it or the

[9:36] toddler doesn't know that they're sad.

[9:39] There is just sadness.

[9:42] And then at two or three years old, we

[9:44] begin to develop a separate self.

[9:48] And what that means is somebody that

[9:52] watches everything that's happening

[9:55] and

[9:56] judges it in a way.

[9:58] And it's very weak at two or three years

[10:01] old. It gets stronger through time, but

[10:03] you begin to get awareness of yourself.

[10:07] So, you could look at it a little bit

[10:09] like

[10:11] like Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden.

[10:14] They become aware of their nakedness and

[10:16] get chucked out of Eden.

[10:18] So it's like they become self-aware.

[10:20] They're no longer innocent. They're no

[10:21] longer

[10:23] just playing,

[10:25] just eating, just crying, just being

[10:28] happy.

[10:29] There is somebody that is aware

[10:32] of that.

[10:35] This is what we call the separate self.

[10:39] Or some people call it the ego.

[10:43] Um it's kind of easy to call it the ego,

[10:45] but I always find that a little

[10:47] challenging cuz my teachers use the word

[10:49] ego in the positive.

[10:51] They use that as meaning um

[10:54] like the character, the personality.

[10:59] So

[11:02] So this ego, this separate self,

[11:04] begins to realize that there is somebody

[11:08] that is upset. So rather than being just

[11:10] upsetness, there is somebody that is

[11:13] upset.

[11:16] And then that separate self is like

[11:17] that's me. That person that's upset is

[11:20] me, and I don't want to be upset.

[11:24] So rather than just being upset, there's

[11:26] also now somebody that doesn't want to

[11:28] be upset.

[11:31] Or somebody that's embarrassed about

[11:32] being upset.

[11:36] Or somebody that wants to be joyful.

[11:38] Whatever stories begin to form.

[11:42] And then this is the creation of the

[11:44] illusory self. That very mechanism.

[11:49] And it can happen in the positive. So

[11:51] it's like

[11:52] it's happy and it wants to stay happy.

[11:55] It doesn't want to not be unhappy.

[11:58] It doesn't always have to be negative.

[12:01] But basically there is like this once

[12:03] removal where you're suddenly aware of

[12:06] yourself. Like for me, the way it used

[12:07] to be was like I had an image of myself

[12:09] in the head.

[12:11] I felt like I had an image that I was

[12:13] always trying to live up to.

[12:15] This image like of was always trying to

[12:19] yeah, be something.

[12:21] I was often telling stories about who I

[12:24] was

[12:25] and what I wanted other people to see,

[12:28] what I wanted to do, what I wanted to

[12:30] be.

[12:32] And it was like there was somebody aware

[12:35] of the personality, of the

[12:37] characteristics, of the

[12:40] habits and the conditions of the body

[12:41] mind mechanism.

[12:43] And then that somebody

[12:45] was trying to steer and control life and

[12:48] wanted a particular way.

[12:50] So, the baby and the animal

[12:52] um

[12:54] I'm not saying they're enlightened, but

[12:55] they don't have this separation yet.

[12:59] They don't have this ability to imagine

[13:03] themself.

[13:05] So, I have a new dog called Lakshmi

[13:09] and or a puppy called Lakshmi, and she

[13:13] she doesn't have the ability to look in

[13:16] the mirror

[13:18] and to think, "Wow, I am a stunningly

[13:20] beautiful puppy." Or, "Wow, I'm a really

[13:24] ugly puppy. I really want to be a better

[13:26] looking puppy."

[13:28] Like she can't recognize herself. She

[13:31] can't She doesn't have

[13:33] a sense of herself. So, she's just

[13:35] everything that's happening.

[13:38] So, when she's barking, she's barking.

[13:40] When she's When she's eating, she's ea-

[13:42] eating. There's nobody that is separate

[13:45] that's telling a story, that's wanting

[13:47] something better. And I'm not saying

[13:48] that's enlightenment.

[13:50] But it's different from what happens in

[13:52] the human world of

[13:56] cre- creating this separate person.

[14:01] Separate character.

[14:08] And this character forms through time

[14:10] and it's unquestioned as if it's the

[14:13] reality of things.

[14:16] is unquestioned.

[14:17] So, if you were to speak to most people

[14:19] in society, they would describe

[14:24] the one that is aware of itself. I don't

[14:28] mean awareness in the big sense. I mean

[14:30] the personal awareness, the one that is

[14:31] like "Oh,

[14:34] I like shopping and I I like

[14:39] trees and I like nature and I like

[14:41] walking and I want to be this and I want

[14:44] to be that and I don't want this and

[14:47] so

[14:48] and I have a certain amount of my bank

[14:50] balance and I'm a doctor and I'm this

[14:52] and I'm that and that you know, you're

[14:53] always trying to like form this image of

[14:55] yourself and

[14:56] dependent on your habits and conditions

[14:59] make the best possible you or the worst

[15:01] possible you. Sometimes the worst

[15:03] possible you can be seen as a good thing

[15:05] to the ego.

[15:07] The separate self.

[15:11] So,

[15:12] yeah, this

[15:14] this separation

[15:17] is in non-duality what we call

[15:19] suffering.

[15:20] So, this

[15:21] this ability to

[15:23] judge oneself, see oneself, and then

[15:26] believe that you can do it differently

[15:28] or better or you can be something else

[15:30] than what you are.

[15:31] So, the freedom of the animals and the

[15:33] babies

[15:34] is that they don't feel like they could

[15:36] be any better. They don't have remorse

[15:38] or guilt or shame or pride because they

[15:41] can't imagine themselves in that way.

[15:44] They just are wherever they are in every

[15:46] moment.

[15:48] Whatever is arising.

[16:13] And this false imagination, this false

[16:17] identification

[16:19] grows and creates

[16:22] suffering.

[16:25] And creates a world that you live in in

[16:27] time, in imagination.

[16:30] So, rather than being present to what's

[16:32] actually have happening,

[16:35] there's always an imagining of what's

[16:37] happening in a daydream of what's

[16:39] happening. So, you're not seeing life as

[16:40] it is, you're seeing life through a lens

[16:43] of your imagination.

[16:56] And it creates this energetic feeling in

[16:58] the body of

[17:00] of being inside the body, that you are

[17:02] somebody inside the body.

[17:04] So, it creates this feeling of there's

[17:07] somebody here and it's really real.

[17:10] That is who you are.

[17:13] And the reason it creates so much

[17:14] suffering is because

[17:18] Well, firstly, the body's got to die, so

[17:20] you believe that you're the body and

[17:22] then you believe you're going to die.

[17:24] And then you believe that the body has

[17:26] things and that it is who you are. So,

[17:29] when you interact with other people, you

[17:31] want it to be better than other people.

[17:33] You want it to be like the most shiny,

[17:34] best thing in the universe because that

[17:37] is who you are.

[17:39] It's like um

[17:41] unbearable to not be perfect cuz that is

[17:44] who you are.

[17:46] And you can't

[17:48] really control

[17:51] what happens in life. There's seeming

[17:54] control, but in the end, a lot of us

[17:56] know that it goes the way it goes.

[18:13] In non-duality, what we teach

[18:15] is to go back to the source of what you

[18:19] are before

[18:21] the

[18:22] cation

[18:23] in time.

[18:25] So, go back to the initial I before it

[18:27] goes

[18:28] I am this body. I am good. I am better

[18:33] than I am worse than I want this. I want

[18:36] that.

[18:37] And to stay in the initial I.

[18:42] And the initial I seems to work as like

[18:46] a

[18:48] gateless gateway to your true self, to

[18:50] beingness, to wholeness,

[18:53] to that which was never separate.

[18:57] And that which was never separate is

[18:59] totally empty.

[19:02] It's totally empty

[19:04] and full simultaneously.

[19:09] So, it's not a thing

[19:13] and it's all things.

[19:15] And what can happen is there can be a

[19:17] resting

[19:18] in that rather than resting

[19:21] as this constant moving film of you and

[19:24] your life.

[19:27] And this is what in non-duality we call

[19:29] the end of suffering because

[19:31] suffering only can rise in suffering and

[19:35] not suffering, in opposites.

[19:38] And this is the end of opposites.

[19:41] Not two.

[19:44] So, even when we describe this as

[19:47] positive things in a way, it can't

[19:49] really be the positive things either.

[19:52] Because that's all description. It's

[19:54] beyond two-ness.

[20:15] But when you rest as yourself, it's not

[20:18] so much that

[20:20] or it's not at all that the ego, the

[20:23] separate person, is acting,

[20:25] you you lose that dynamic and then life

[20:28] flows through you.

[20:33] So, actions happen, you could say, by

[20:35] God.

[20:37] So, you're letting God act.

[20:39] So, in every moment, action is appearing

[20:42] spontaneously rather than through the

[20:45] story of you.

[20:47] Um that spontaneous

[20:49] spontaneously

[20:52] is coming from no place and all places

[20:55] that is God.

[20:57] No place and all place.

[21:08] That's so simple, but it sounds so

[21:10] complicated.

[21:12] I really understand that.

[21:40] That's so simple.

[21:43] Ramesh Balsekar, my teacher, he used to

[21:45] say,

[21:46] "Consciousness speaks."

[21:48] So, you just got to let consciousness

[21:50] speak.

[21:51] Um but we could rephrase that today as

[21:54] that you just got to let God speak.

[21:57] And that means coming back to this

[21:58] moment and letting action arise from

[22:01] this moment

[22:02] rather than from the story of you.

[22:06] That doesn't mean we don't use thinking,

[22:09] but thinking is different from the story

[22:12] of you.

[23:08] >> Yeah, nice. So, that's the end of the

[23:10] introduction today.

[23:12] You are welcome to raise your hand and

[23:15] ask question. I think that

[23:17] YouTube won't stream your video, but if

[23:19] you're concerned,

[23:21] you can just turn off your video

[23:24] and rename yourself. I've given you the

[23:26] option to rename yourself.

[23:29] But, I'm always sure

[23:31] but not 100% that it's just me that will

[23:35] be seen with your audio going through.

[23:39] You can also write a question in the

[23:41] chat as well.

[23:43] And see there's one question already.

[23:49] No sound in the stillness here.

[23:52] Huh.

[23:54] I'm hoping that others

[23:56] had sound when I was just speaking.

[24:00] Yeah.

[24:01] Okay.

[24:05] How many times has that happened to me?

[24:08] But, I'll just check on YouTube that I

[24:10] have sound.

[24:25] Yeah, I have sound on YouTube.

[24:29] Yeah, Mati,

[24:30] You can um unmute yourself.

[24:33] >> Hello, Lisa.

[24:37] Can you hear me?

[24:39] >> Yeah, I can hear you. Um

[24:43] Sorry, I'm just um babysitting puppies

[24:45] and they're now just um

[24:48] barking lots. I'm just going to have to

[24:50] go and check if everything's okay.

[26:54] >> Okay, thank you Matthew. You can

[26:56] >> You're welcome.

[26:57] >> speak.

[26:59] >> Um yeah, um

[27:02] I have a question about um

[27:05] I'm experiencing

[27:06] really difficult energies in my body.

[27:11] Uh

[27:11] and it feels almost like an energy of

[27:14] [clears throat]

[27:15] I don't like to use this word, but an

[27:16] energy of um

[27:18] death of like a poisonous inside me, you

[27:21] know, and uh it takes me over

[27:24] from time to time, and I've found some

[27:26] ways to

[27:28] you know, to shake, to um

[27:31] express it.

[27:33] But it's almost overwhelming at times,

[27:36] and um

[27:37] I it's it's it's where like

[27:40] non-duality get really visceral for me.

[27:43] It's

[27:45] So, this feels better afterwards when

[27:47] this happens,

[27:49] but I'm almost scared of the reactions,

[27:52] and

[27:53] I'm almost scared of like

[27:56] um

[27:57] I could go into panic, or like um

[28:00] sometimes I feel my nervous system is

[28:02] not ready for that.

[28:04] And um yeah, I don't yeah, I don't know

[28:07] if you have any advice, or if you've

[28:09] come across people who have these kind

[28:10] of things, like uh because I feel like

[28:13] I've done some breath work, some body

[28:15] work, and

[28:17] it has activated something inside me,

[28:18] which is I think nice, but at the same

[28:20] time, um

[28:22] I do have to calm it calm it down a

[28:24] little bit uh from time to time, because

[28:27] otherwise I'm just not functional in

[28:28] society, and that's not what I want.

[28:31] >> Yeah.

[28:31] >> Yeah. [gasps]

[28:33] >> Do you know do you know what the fear is

[28:34] about?

[28:36] >> Uh

[28:36] >> Afraid of dying or

[28:38] >> It's kind of abandonment. Like it's like

[28:41] being totally alone. Like

[28:44] yeah.

[28:47] >> Mhm.

[28:53] >> It's like having no one to to help me.

[28:56] Like to

[28:57] So it's really close to death. Like it's

[28:59] a kind of death. Like really I woke up

[29:02] this morning and

[29:03] I think my phone wasn't working or

[29:05] something and I had a panic. Like what

[29:06] happens? Like I cannot call anyone. I I

[29:09] just like just this kind of like um

[29:12] >> [clears throat]

[29:12] >> I don't know trauma or like

[29:15] Yeah.

[29:16] It's just like fear of like

[29:20] >> Mhm.

[29:21] >> Yeah.

[30:29] >> I don't know if you feel like it's so

[30:30] nice and juicy. It's like I know it's

[30:33] really uncomfortable but it's such a

[30:34] nice juicy thing that you can explore in

[30:37] such depth.

[30:39] But it's really uncomfortable.

[30:41] I know that.

[30:43] And I'd assume that you're going to you

[30:45] need somebody to

[30:47] step you through it.

[30:51] And what that means is somebody to

[30:53] gently

[30:55] guide you through all the thoughts and

[30:57] feelings and get you more and more

[30:59] comfortable with sitting in it.

[31:03] With

[31:04] allowing that intensity to come up and

[31:07] not overwhelm you.

[31:09] And at the same time if you go into

[31:12] too much trauma doing something to move

[31:15] the energy so you don't get stuck in a a

[31:17] trauma.

[31:20] But I think it's like really beautiful

[31:22] to get to that depth of abandonment

[31:25] because you know that's what most people

[31:27] in the society are running around.

[31:28] That's the base of the ego.

[31:30] The two bases of the ego are the way I

[31:33] was taught was

[31:35] the fear of being abandoned, so the

[31:37] craving to be loved, and then the fear

[31:40] of death. And that's the avoidance of

[31:42] fear.

[31:43] But they're kind of the same thing, but

[31:45] they just got slightly different edges

[31:47] to them. And And sometimes people have

[31:49] both just as strongly. Sometimes people

[31:51] have one more than the other.

[31:53] But if you look at society, that's what

[31:56] most people are doing is they're running

[31:58] around trying not to be abandoned.

[32:00] And they're doing everything to try to

[32:03] stay in the group and to feel loved.

[32:06] It doesn't mean that you reject everyone

[32:08] and that you don't have any friends or

[32:09] closeness.

[32:11] But it's just tackling that underlying

[32:13] fear feeling

[32:15] and seeing that it's not true. When you

[32:17] When you know who you are, which I know

[32:19] you do know who you are, but it flips

[32:20] and flops.

[32:22] When you know you are like you

[32:24] you know you're always in yourself.

[32:26] You're rested in yourself.

[32:30] And so your safety is there.

[32:33] Your non-abandonment is there.

[32:36] But I feel like it's a really great

[32:38] place to be, but it's intense and it's

[32:41] not so easy to do it alone.

[32:43] I didn't do it alone.

[32:44] >> Yeah. Yeah, I I I have

[32:46] people people helping me. I do like

[32:49] but I never know, you know, should I

[32:51] even, you know, do it even more like I'm

[32:54] following I'm being followed by a

[32:57] therapist like uh

[32:59] but

[33:01] uh but sometimes it's even this

[33:02] sometimes it's not enough like uh

[33:04] >> Mhm.

[33:06] >> And the problem is that like the moment

[33:08] you have this reaction coming coming

[33:10] it's it's not always a moment like where

[33:12] the

[33:13] people are available or like uh

[33:15] >> Yeah.

[33:15] >> Yeah, this this is not it's not I cannot

[33:18] control it, you know, like this is the

[33:19] whole thing like uh

[33:22] And I know I could release more stuff,

[33:24] but sometimes the environment doesn't

[33:27] allow me to release more stuff like uh

[33:29] it's just like that, you know, like uh

[33:32] So, it's really hard to deal with.

[33:34] >> But I'm sure there's many times where

[33:36] you do get to tackle it and look at it.

[33:39] It's easy to see the times that you

[33:40] don't.

[33:42] You know, especially when you had an

[33:43] episode like this morning, but I'm sure

[33:45] there's many times where you do get to

[33:46] go into it. So, I wouldn't also get into

[33:49] a perfectionistic mind state where it's

[33:51] like okay, you've always got to be on

[33:53] top of it and you've always got to

[33:56] to do or be a certain way when these

[33:58] things come up. Sometimes it's okay to

[33:59] avoid yourself, distract to make

[34:01] yourself feel better.

[34:03] But on the whole, you're generally

[34:04] attempting to go into yourself more and

[34:07] more and more and it is working.

[34:10] >> Yeah, it's actually working great. This

[34:12] is the This is why I have all these

[34:13] reactions like

[34:15] it is really scary you know in a way

[34:16] also like uh

[34:17] >> I know, totally. It's like the most

[34:19] terrifying thing a person could do is go

[34:21] into themselves. Isn't that crazy?

[34:23] >> Yeah.

[34:24] >> the most terrifying thing that one one

[34:26] can do.

[34:27] >> And it's difficult

[34:28] to explain this to people around also

[34:30] like there is really few people who can

[34:31] relate to this like uh

[34:33] >> Mhm.

[34:33] >> like okay, I'm going into my traumas and

[34:36] like uh

[34:37] why why would you do this?

[34:38] >> [laughter]

[34:38] >> Yeah.

[34:39] >> Yeah.

[34:41] Nobody wants to hear about you know,

[34:43] like uh

[34:44] quite interesting like, you know,

[34:46] >> And this is also why it's good to cuz

[34:48] you're right, it is too expensive to

[34:49] just like keep finding therapists or

[34:51] working with people all the time. But

[34:53] it's also if you can find peers as well

[34:55] that are going through the same thing

[34:56] and you can do like a peer-to-peer

[34:58] support

[34:59] where when you're going into something

[35:00] they can hold space for you and when

[35:02] you're going into something.

[35:03] And I know that's not so easy, but it's

[35:05] something that you can have in mind when

[35:07] you go on retreat or when you meet

[35:08] people into this subject.

[35:11] It's like it's this idea of supporting

[35:14] each other.

[35:15] >> Yeah.

[35:42] >> It could also be really good in the

[35:43] relationship as well if you're both into

[35:45] this

[35:46] subject.

[35:48] >> Yeah. Yeah.

[35:51] Yeah, I'm trying to to relate more to to

[35:54] extend my circle to

[35:57] people who

[35:59] are into non-duality or who can

[36:01] understand this uh but it's it's not

[36:03] that easy. It's not

[36:04] It doesn't like

[36:06] I think it can take some time to

[36:07] >> Yeah, it can. And to then trust

[36:10] to trust the people, you know, to trust

[36:12] that they're not going to like

[36:13] beat you up for your dynamic. So it's

[36:15] also like trusting their depth that they

[36:17] have enough depth to support you. I know

[36:19] it's

[36:20] it's um it does take time.

[36:24] >> Yeah, yeah. And when you enter kind of

[36:26] relationship like that, it's also both

[36:28] ways. So you have to you're always going

[36:30] to feel your feeling or you're you're

[36:31] going to have to feel the feeling of the

[36:33] other person. So that's also a huge

[36:34] responsibility like I think on both

[36:36] sides and but that's a really beautiful

[36:38] thing to have I think when you can

[36:40] >> Yeah.

[36:41] >> So that's Yeah, that's really great to

[36:43] talk about this because I think that's

[36:44] also a thing we most people forget in

[36:46] the past like uh

[36:48] most people do it alone and it really

[36:50] helps I think to have like community or

[36:52] like people that you can share with and

[36:54] like uh just to to just to understand

[36:56] that you're not going totally mad. It's

[36:58] just like a normal thing that happens on

[37:00] the way and

[37:02] yeah.

[37:03] Mhm. Yeah, I totally agree.

[37:11] Okay.

[37:15] Thank you.

[37:16] >> Yeah, please unmute you.

[37:18] And just another thing is that if also

[37:21] like sometimes people convert to

[37:23] vegetarianism on this path and if you

[37:25] have converted to vegetarianism, then

[37:27] just remember we're really recommending

[37:28] that you take all B's or your vitamin

[37:31] B's because

[37:32] certain B's being low in certain B's B

[37:35] vitamins can also increase panic.

[37:39] So

[37:40] yeah.

[37:45] >> Yeah.

[37:50] >> Thank you.

[37:51] >> Thank you.

[37:58] >> Yeah, Melody, you can

[38:01] unmute yourself. I just actually before

[38:03] I speak with you Melody, I just saw go

[38:05] to a written question.

[38:16] Na- Natasha

[38:18] Matthew, I am currently alone a lot. I

[38:21] can be with you and you need

[38:23] understand what you go through. You can

[38:26] contact me.

[38:28] Oh, that's really beautiful. You see

[38:30] it's sort of

[38:31] the ball gets rolling.

[38:34] Yeah.

[38:42] Okay, Melody, we can um

[38:45] >> I just want to make sure Stan Stanis was

[38:47] in front of me if that's okay. He

[38:49] doesn't mind.

[38:50] Stannis had his hand up. Stannis had his

[38:53] head a hand up ahead of me.

[38:55] >> Okay, yes Stan, please. Yeah, and mute

[38:57] yourself.

[39:02] >> Lisa

[39:03] >> Hey Stan, nice to see you.

[39:07] Yeah, it's a long time.

[39:18] >> Uh

[39:21] So, I'm

[39:23] I'm probably going to present something

[39:25] quite similar to what I

[39:28] I showed you a few years ago.

[39:30] Um I guess

[39:32] when patterns things repeat like that um

[39:36] Yeah, they come back cuz they have to be

[39:38] worked on again again.

[39:40] And uh

[39:42] for me often the energy the

[39:46] grieving is a

[39:48] is a strong teaching.

[39:51] And uh

[39:53] And I mean that space of grieving where

[39:55] you know, I not only grieve the the

[39:57] absence of the person left

[40:00] but I also grieve the

[40:02] I feel the pain of that person meeting

[40:04] someone new.

[40:06] >> Mhm.

[40:07] >> And uh

[40:09] I seem to create uh very strong uh

[40:13] I mean, one of a part of it is real, but

[40:16] another part is imaginary, I would say.

[40:19] I have no idea what's going on out

[40:21] there, but you know, my imagination

[40:24] makes me suffer and

[40:26] I I

[40:27] I

[40:28] uh

[40:31] Anyway, I there's a part of it that's an

[40:33] probably unnecessary suffering of

[40:36] um imagination, but also

[40:39] in the end doesn't matter because what

[40:41] it does is it it it it just severe the

[40:44] attachment to my weakness

[40:45] in the necessary step in in in letting

[40:48] go like she's she's she's not doesn't

[40:51] she's not mine anymore, you know?

[40:54] Um

[41:02] All right, so

[41:03] I don't know if I have a question, it's

[41:05] more to to to say that um

[41:10] um

[41:13] I find quite difficult to

[41:25] You know, it's like I'm having this

[41:26] experience, what is happening to me,

[41:27] okay?

[41:29] And at the same time, I feel oh, yeah.

[41:33] I'm not supposed to feel this. I'm doing

[41:36] it wrong or I should be you know,

[41:39] this is

[41:41] um

[41:42] selfish of me to

[41:44] uh

[41:48] Yeah.

[41:49] I guess that's what I was

[41:50] >> um San, I just wanted to interrupt you

[41:52] and just say that your video is being

[41:53] streamed on YouTube, so you're welcome

[41:55] to like turn your video off if you don't

[41:57] want it put on YouTube.

[41:59] >> Oh, this I don't mind, but yeah.

[42:01] >> Okay.

[42:03] >> Okay.

[42:04] Um

[42:07] Sorry, sorry for the the confusion and

[42:09] um

[42:11] I need to get my

[42:13] >> No problem.

[42:16] >> Um

[42:18] I guess that's also what is happening is

[42:20] kind of I'm keep feeling it, like

[42:24] what's wrong with me, you know? Why am I

[42:28] uh And and it's part of it, you know, to

[42:30] be plunged into this

[42:33] um

[42:34] thing. I don't know what the person

[42:35] before talked about. I just joined that.

[42:37] It's human subject of

[42:39] what is this thing I'm I'm plunged in uh

[42:42] abandonment and um

[42:47] uh

[42:53] And and and you with years I've done

[42:55] this a few times now and I can see

[42:58] non-violent communication helps me

[43:00] because I

[43:02] I have resources to

[43:05] uh don't panic too much

[43:08] bring things to the body

[43:11] and cuz it's I have to practice in that

[43:14] moment. It's not an option anymore. I

[43:18] I'm so scared and I'm so hurt

[43:21] that I have to attend my feelings and

[43:25] um

[43:26] my body.

[43:44] And of course

[43:48] the best to be to

[43:50] abide in the present but

[43:55] that seems to that

[43:59] that if I abide in the present it can be

[44:01] a way of

[44:02] avoiding feelings.

[44:05] So it's a subtle navigation.

[44:14] >> Yeah, it's a subtle navigation.

[44:19] My My advice is that when it's strong do

[44:23] body work and do somatic work and

[44:26] investigate the feeling and when it

[44:29] isn't so strong then rest in the I am.

[44:33] >> Mhm.

[44:34] >> And and explore, you know

[44:37] what Roger used to teach me was he used

[44:39] to teach me

[44:41] you know, what is it

[44:43] you know, if you if you died right now

[44:47] like what is it that you're afraid of

[44:48] letting go of with relationships and

[44:51] with other people. You know, explore

[44:54] what it is that

[44:56] you want

[44:58] from relationships, what feeling it is.

[45:01] And has life ever proven to

[45:04] give you it through relationships? Like,

[45:06] can you ever get that feeling? Can you

[45:08] ever get that experience?

[45:12] You know, and deeply deeply see that

[45:14] that it doesn't it doesn't work. It's

[45:16] not saying don't have relationships,

[45:17] it's just that

[45:19] you're never going to get

[45:22] that

[45:23] >> Mhm.

[45:24] >> the feeling of not being abandoned or

[45:25] the feeling of completeness from a

[45:27] relationship. It's always going to

[45:31] in a way end or change or

[45:34] it might be moments of it, but it won't

[45:36] last.

[45:38] So, it's it's seeing that just again and

[45:41] again and again. And doing these two

[45:43] things, when it's strong emotion, then

[45:45] do somatic bodywork and investigate. And

[45:48] when it's less strong, then just rest

[45:50] yourself.

[46:23] >> And

[46:24] I feel close.

[46:26] Well, and

[46:28] and knowing, you know, like every time I

[46:31] I go through this,

[46:33] I feel I I know less, you know?

[46:37] And

[46:39] and it's so freeing to know less and to

[46:42] feel more

[46:44] trust more.

[46:46] >> Mhm.

[46:48] >> And just to finish, I also see that it's

[46:50] actually every time I go through a wave

[46:52] of that I I

[46:54] it actually makes me more alive and more

[46:57] alive, you know, and

[46:59] I'm so grateful for life. I'm just

[47:02] grateful even friend come and sit next

[47:04] to me cuz I know I'm so uh

[47:07] vulnerable that I feel like how

[47:09] beautiful it is that someone can sit

[47:11] next to me.

[47:12] >> Yeah.

[47:13] >> And

[47:14] and yesterday we had you know, we had a

[47:16] bad time group here and we need um

[47:20] Um I'm so lucky to lead the bad time and

[47:24] and

[47:25] and the bad time was so beautiful

[47:27] yesterday cuz my heart was so raw.

[47:31] I felt that oh my god, is that a

[47:34] direct connection and

[47:36] you know, God is love and

[47:38] and it can be transmitted in in the

[47:40] voice and the energy of the bad time.

[47:43] You were

[47:45] so happy, but so so intense for 3 hours.

[47:50] >> Yeah, nice.

[47:54] >> I've been seeing you for a while without

[47:56] talking and I'm so happy to see you and

[47:59] uh

[47:59] >> Yeah, really happy to see you.

[48:02] Yeah, really nice.

[48:05] Yeah, thank you for for your hand up.

[48:08] Yeah, lots of love to you.

[48:16] So um yeah, if you just be aware that um

[48:21] if you ask a question

[48:23] your video is going to be streamed. So

[48:25] what you can do is you can turn your

[48:27] video off and you can change your name

[48:29] as well.

[48:30] I have given you the option to change

[48:32] your name.

[48:34] Yeah.

[48:50] Yeah, Melody, you can unmute yourself.

[48:54] >> Hello.

[48:55] >> Hey, Melody.

[48:56] >> Um

[48:57] I

[48:59] strongly relate or me. I feel

[49:04] I relate to what's being discussed or

[49:07] I'm

[49:09] I relate to this wave of emotion that's

[49:12] being discussed now.

[49:14] I and and I call it a wave for cuz for

[49:17] me how it shows up, it comes like a

[49:20] wave. It's like a tidal wave of emotion

[49:23] and I've been working on this

[49:26] for about 2 years now cuz when you

[49:28] originally told me to stay in the I am

[49:30] sense during these [clears throat]

[49:33] heavy emotions or the scary ones, the

[49:36] dense emotions that we don't like like

[49:38] anger or frustration or betrayal or

[49:42] the bad the bad ones we think we call

[49:44] them bad.

[49:45] That's what we've been conditioned and

[49:48] it's take it's taken me till about now

[49:50] to be able to stay in it without

[49:53] popping out. That's the best way and I

[49:56] know

[49:57] there's no need to pop out, but it's

[49:59] when I

[50:01] it's like a a wave and it it's like a

[50:03] rip tide. You've ever gone swimming in a

[50:06] rip tide sucks you down in the ocean and

[50:08] it's like I I get pulled in the stories

[50:13] I almost feel like I get pulled in and I

[50:15] see it happening now.

[50:17] Um

[50:19] and the only thing that's helped me

[50:22] is is to go back into the body

[50:25] when it's happening and I don't pop out

[50:28] and now when it happens and I can't and

[50:30] I can stay

[50:32] in the I am sense during an argument or

[50:37] a strong discussion or something.

[50:39] Um

[50:43] I guess the best thing I I figured out

[50:45] how to slow down

[50:47] something in my body and mind however

[50:50] it'd been put together and I'm um

[50:52] wired

[50:54] tight and I'm like an A personality, but

[50:57] when I slow down

[50:59] go down down down into my body, I can

[51:01] stay there and see it.

[51:04] >> Mhm.

[51:04] >> And I have little portions of wow, this

[51:08] is interesting. Or like Calista was

[51:11] saying,

[51:13] I'm finding some beauty in it.

[51:15] I don't know, but I love how you said

[51:17] it. It's either a a fear of death or

[51:20] fear of abandonment.

[51:23] Must be a fear of abandonment. I I guess

[51:25] I'll look into that more. That's all.

[51:28] >> This This is so close.

[51:30] Yeah, they're so close the fear fear of

[51:33] death and fear of abandonment.

[51:35] Kind of the same thing.

[51:37] >> And sometimes when I've popped I got

[51:40] popped out of it or I I go to

[51:42] distraction or I've gone to distraction

[51:44] to get out of it because the it's so

[51:46] intense.

[51:48] Like what is this?

[51:50] And sometimes I can look into it. I'm

[51:52] able to look at it more.

[51:54] I don't know what that fear is all

[51:55] about, but it's like

[51:57] it is so scary.

[52:00] I just want to tell people I I feel it

[52:02] too, so.

[52:04] >> Yeah.

[52:04] >> I know I deal with it.

[52:06] >> Oh, yeah.

[52:07] Yeah.

[52:18] >> I've also I

[52:20] I've been working with a group of people

[52:22] as well. And they all it's interesting

[52:25] to hear other people go through this and

[52:27] I know maybe that's forming another

[52:30] spiritual friend or another part of an

[52:32] identity, but at least I can see it now.

[52:35] I can see things a lot clearer.

[52:38] So.

[52:42] >> I think community

[52:44] is really important in having people to

[52:47] reflect back with.

[52:50] >> I I didn't realize how

[52:54] important it was until now. I I got

[52:56] through the I started through this whole

[52:58] process like over 17 years ago, 21 years

[53:02] ago in

[53:03] uh

[53:05] in AA.

[53:07] So, there's community there and I I'm

[53:09] stealing a lot of stealing some of the

[53:11] pointers that I learned there

[53:14] through this process, so

[53:17] I don't know what it is about

[53:19] community,

[53:20] but we're it's like we're talking to

[53:22] ourselves, too. So, maybe that's

[53:24] >> [laughter]

[53:25] >> Oops. We're all one. We're all the same.

[53:28] We come from the same source, so I don't

[53:30] know.

[53:33] >> Yeah.

[53:36] >> Mhm.

[53:42] Thank you.

[53:43] >> Yeah, thanks, Melody.

[53:45] Yeah, I think somebody else has written,

[53:47] "I can relate to you all as well.

[53:49] You are asking the questions I have, so

[53:51] thanks. Helps to remember this is not

[53:53] unique to me."

[56:19] >> Yes, uh if you're going to ask a

[56:20] question, Darshan Darshan, you're

[56:21] welcome to turn your video off. It is

[56:23] being Your video will be streamed to

[56:25] YouTube.

[56:27] Um if you don't want to be seen.

[56:31] >> Hey, Lisa.

[56:32] >> Hi.

[56:36] >> Yeah, I

[56:37] just spontaneously raised my hand

[56:39] because I didn't talk to you for quite a

[56:41] while.

[56:43] Uh yeah, it's nice to see you.

[56:47] >> Yeah, nice to see you, too, Darshan.

[56:49] >> And you look beautiful today.

[56:51] >> Oh, thank you.

[59:15] >> Hey.

[1:00:07] >> Thank you.

[1:00:08] >> Yeah, thanks, Doshin.

[1:00:23] Lynn says, "I'm also experiencing this.

[1:00:25] It's like being in between being and not

[1:00:27] here."

[1:00:29] Also relate. Lots of good suggestions,

[1:00:32] and I would also recommend lots of

[1:00:33] self-compassion.

[1:00:35] Yeah.

[1:01:12] I mean, we're kind of doing something

[1:01:14] really crazy here, although it's really

[1:01:16] beautiful.

[1:01:18] But the crazy part of it is

[1:01:21] that to get to self, to get to true

[1:01:23] self,

[1:01:24] we have to go through

[1:01:27] the not self.

[1:01:29] We have to go through the illusion.

[1:01:33] We have to go through that which spurs

[1:01:35] us into movement

[1:01:37] that we don't want to do.

[1:01:39] And we have to go through that which is

[1:01:41] telling us, you know, if you don't do

[1:01:42] this, then something bad's going to

[1:01:44] happen. If you don't do this, then

[1:01:46] you're going to be abandoned, or you're

[1:01:47] going to be

[1:01:48] alone, or you're going to die.

[1:01:51] Um if you do do this, this is going to

[1:01:53] happen.

[1:01:54] And the way that you go through it is by

[1:01:57] standing up to it. It's like exposure

[1:02:00] therapy. It's like allowing it to be

[1:02:02] there without reacting

[1:02:04] to watching it, to let the light of

[1:02:07] consciousness penetrate it.

[1:02:44] Yes, buddy Dharma, you can unmute

[1:02:46] yourself.

[1:02:52] >> Holy sound.

[1:02:54] >> Hello.

[1:02:56] >> Um I wanted to ask because um if I

[1:03:00] remember correctly, in the past when you

[1:03:03] were still seeking, you had to

[1:03:06] um choose at a certain point if you

[1:03:08] would like to go for non-duality or

[1:03:10] Buddhism.

[1:03:12] >> Yeah.

[1:03:12] >> correctly.

[1:03:14] >> Yeah.

[1:03:14] >> And you went for non-duality.

[1:03:17] And

[1:03:18] um even when you're now teaching

[1:03:21] non-duality in combination also with um

[1:03:26] practices like TRE or other stuff to

[1:03:31] release maybe trauma or suppressed

[1:03:33] emotions from the body, I wanted to ask

[1:03:37] what is your take actually if people are

[1:03:40] just doing um

[1:03:43] um what's the word?

[1:03:46] um self-inquiry without anything else.

[1:03:53] >> I think it depends on the person

[1:03:57] that comes to you. You know, if a

[1:03:58] person's doing self-inquiry and they're

[1:04:00] really

[1:04:03] um

[1:04:05] caught in a lot of suffering

[1:04:07] and

[1:04:10] like really unbalanced sense of self,

[1:04:12] then

[1:04:14] I think self-inquiry will almost be

[1:04:16] impossible.

[1:04:21] Whereas if somebody comes to it and

[1:04:25] their sense of self is fairly balanced

[1:04:27] and not into and not sort of like really

[1:04:30] unconscious and

[1:04:32] acting out lots of unconscious dynamics,

[1:04:34] then

[1:04:36] that's mostly a perfect time

[1:04:40] for self-inquiry to come into

[1:04:43] play.

[1:04:47] And then there'll be people that come to

[1:04:49] it in the middle where sometimes there's

[1:04:51] a balance and then sometimes not, which

[1:04:53] is often the case.

[1:04:55] So then I recommend

[1:04:56] when there's lots of suffering to do

[1:04:58] body work and then when there's less to

[1:05:00] do self-inquiry or

[1:05:02] resting as that.

[1:05:04] But also with the disclaimer, you know,

[1:05:06] maybe don't say that enough at the

[1:05:07] moment that knowing that

[1:05:10] the come

[1:05:12] that the one that believes that it's

[1:05:13] doing

[1:05:14] is also a functioning as well.

[1:05:17] So self-true self-inquiry is not an

[1:05:21] It's not somebody doing it.

[1:05:24] It's not a practice.

[1:05:28] But it can feel like that and that's

[1:05:30] part of it.

[1:05:38] >> So, what would be the difference between

[1:05:40] somebody who practices self inquiry as a

[1:05:43] practice and

[1:05:44] the

[1:05:46] self inquiry which you mentioned which

[1:05:47] is not a practice?

[1:05:51] >> Um

[1:05:52] it's something that just begins to

[1:05:54] happen

[1:05:56] effortlessly.

[1:05:59] But that that is um

[1:06:02] yeah, very

[1:06:03] like I said, just is happening effort-

[1:06:05] effortlessly.

[1:06:13] So, the attention is on the I am, but

[1:06:16] there's nobody

[1:06:17] or the attention is on beingness, but

[1:06:19] there's nobody doing it. It's just a

[1:06:21] happening.

[1:06:28] And people can go in and out of that as

[1:06:30] well. It's not like one or the other.

[1:09:28] >> Mhm.

[1:11:10] >> Yeah, thanks, Buddha Dharma.

[1:11:13] >> You listen.

[1:11:21] >> Okay, says, I did only self-enquiry for

[1:11:24] over a year at the beginning. At some

[1:11:25] point, anger came up repeatedly during

[1:11:28] self-enquiry, so I couldn't go on

[1:11:29] ignoring these emotions. That's when I

[1:11:31] just had to move on to body work.

[1:11:34] Recommended to release this channel.

[1:11:36] Yeah.

[1:11:39] I mean like like often what happens in

[1:11:42] India is that you've done pranayama

[1:11:45] breathing or

[1:11:46] back to practice. You've done yoga

[1:11:49] practice or um

[1:11:51] meditation beforehand, so there's like a

[1:11:56] laying the ground.

[1:12:04] Laying the groundwork first. I think

[1:12:06] that's the saying.

[1:12:10] But it's okay to do both simultaneously,

[1:12:13] but

[1:12:14] like um

[1:12:16] like what Otto says is most probably

[1:12:17] going to happen, so you do self-inquiry

[1:12:19] and maybe anger or burning fear or shame

[1:12:23] come up.

[1:12:30] I feel like life is that the perfect

[1:12:31] guide for it.

[1:12:34] Because like for Otto is that the anger

[1:12:36] came up and it had to be addressed and

[1:12:40] yeah, life will bring about

[1:12:41] circumstances which will force you into

[1:12:43] working on these things.

[1:15:32] >> Yes, so just so you know, it's um I

[1:15:34] don't know. It's a little hard for me to

[1:15:36] see everyone and everything that's

[1:15:37] happening. So, if you've got your

[1:15:39] hand up and I haven't responded to it,

[1:15:41] then just send a message in the chat. I

[1:15:42] just can't

[1:15:45] I don't know exactly sure how Zoom

[1:15:47] works on streaming.

[1:15:52] >> [snorts]

[1:17:25] >> I don't know. So, maybe there is no more

[1:17:27] questions today.

[1:17:29] Maybe we end the talk now.

[1:17:33] Yes, if you're in Zoom, you can stay on

[1:17:35] Zoom, and I will go around and

[1:17:39] acknowledge everybody in the meeting.

[1:17:40] But, if you're on YouTube,

[1:17:42] I am going to leave now, and some

[1:17:45] announcements.

[1:17:47] There will be no broadcast next Sunday.

[1:17:51] Maybe I do one

[1:17:53] during the week, so make sure that

[1:17:55] you're subscribed to my Telegram

[1:17:56] channel.

[1:17:58] You can do that through my website, and

[1:18:00] then you get all the updates

[1:18:02] and the links, and you can join the Zoom

[1:18:03] meeting.

[1:18:04] And it's for free, you don't have to

[1:18:06] pay, but we do ask for verification of

[1:18:09] your ID, which means you have to send a

[1:18:10] donation

[1:18:12] um if you've never paid for something

[1:18:14] through my um

[1:18:18] through my system before.

[1:18:21] Yeah, but we don't mind refunding you

[1:18:23] that. It's not It's actually we want it

[1:18:25] to be free, but it's just that we can't

[1:18:27] think of another way to verify people's

[1:18:29] identity.

[1:18:31] Yeah.

[1:18:40] Nice.

[1:18:42] >> I noticed

[1:18:42] >> I think

[1:18:43] >> Natasha had a question in the chat.

[1:18:46] >> Sorry?

[1:18:47] >> Natasha has a written question in the

[1:18:50] chat.

[1:18:51] >> Oh, okay. Oh, thanks. I didn't I didn't

[1:18:53] see it.

[1:18:55] Um I just want to I'm on a roll with the

[1:18:57] um

[1:18:59] with the uh

[1:19:01] um advertisements, so

[1:19:04] There was just one more thing I wanted

[1:19:06] to say. Oh, yeah, I think that um

[1:19:08] I do a class on Saturdays, a School of

[1:19:11] Deep Dive,

[1:19:12] and I think there is still a couple of

[1:19:14] places left, so

[1:19:16] you can find that on my website as well.

[1:19:20] Okay, so this is from Natasha. I'll just

[1:19:22] answer this last question. Dear Alyssa,

[1:19:26] is it possible for a person not to

[1:19:28] notice that they have awakened?

[1:19:31] Could it be that while listening to you,

[1:19:33] they simply realize that this is what

[1:19:35] they are actually living?

[1:19:37] Or to put it better, that everything

[1:19:39] simply is.

[1:19:40] A few months ago, you suddenly appeared

[1:19:42] in my daily life, and I love listening

[1:19:44] to you.

[1:19:46] It's as if

[1:19:48] I was speaking to myself, if only I had

[1:19:51] words for it. It's not that there hasn't

[1:19:54] been any development, a journey, so to

[1:19:56] speak, but not

[1:19:58] as if I chose it. It's all unfolding on

[1:20:01] its own. So, I just wanted to express my

[1:20:03] gratitude that you exist.

[1:20:05] Oh, thanks.

[1:20:07] Natasha.

[1:20:11] I think, um,

[1:20:12] like if you if you don't notice the

[1:20:15] shift, then it means that there was very

[1:20:17] little selfing happening beforehand.

[1:20:19] If there is lots of selfing happening,

[1:20:22] then you'll notice the shift, if you see

[1:20:24] what I mean.

[1:20:27] Yeah.

[1:20:30] But yeah, for some people, it can just

[1:20:32] be a slow disappearing. And I also feel

[1:20:34] like some people can be born with very

[1:20:36] little self,

[1:20:38] as well.

[1:20:43] Yeah, nice. That's a nice question to

[1:20:45] end on.

[1:20:46] Okay. So, to everybody in YouTube, you

[1:20:48] can hang around in Zoom, and we will,

[1:20:50] um,

[1:20:52] yeah, acknowledge each other. I don't

[1:20:53] know how to say that. I'll say goodbye.

[1:20:55] But to those in YouTube, I really wish

[1:20:57] you really wish you everything, not one,

[1:20:59] not two, or three things, but every god

[1:21:01] blessed thing.

[1:21:03] Yeah. [sighs]

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Cairns describes the separate self as the sense of being someone who watches, judges and identifies with the body-mind. It typically begins to form around age two or three, when a child becomes aware of itself as the one who is upset or happy. She argues that this self is the root of suffering because it lives in imagined stories rather than in what is actually happening.
In the talk, Cairns says the separate self begins to develop at around two or three years old. Before that, she says, a child does not know it has a body and experience is simply happening without a witness. She compares this moment to the Adam and Eve story, where self-awareness ends innocence.
Cairns uses the 'initial I' to mean the bare sense of being that comes before the identifications 'I am this body' or 'I am better or worse than others.' She calls it a gateless gateway to the true self, and advises staying in that initial I rather than in the stories that follow it.
Cairns explains that babies and animals lack the ability to imagine themselves, so they carry no remorse, guilt, shame or pride about who they are. She is careful to say she is not calling them enlightened, only that they do not yet have the separation that creates suffering in adults. She uses her puppy Lakshmi as a simple example.
The title of the talk, 'Your only job is to let God take over,' frames surrender as the central task. The opening of the talk develops this by explaining how the constructed self tries to steer life, and by pointing back to the initial I as the place to stay. The talk does not develop God as a separate theme in the material available.
Self-inquiry is the practice of turning attention back toward the one who is asking the question, to see what the sense of 'I' actually is. In this talk it comes up in a participant's question around 71 minutes, and it connects to Cairns's broader point about investigating what is present rather than the story about it.

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