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[0:00] I'm so very excited for our call today.
[0:03] I have been looking forward to this call
[0:06] for quite some time as we have one of my
[0:09] dearest mentors, elders, most beloved
[0:13] soul sisters, and one of the wisest
[0:16] women that I know, who's also one of the
[0:18] most humble women that I know. And her
[0:20] name is Susan Murray.
[0:22] Susan has been on a path of
[0:26] consciousness evolution, on a path of
[0:28] awakening,
[0:30] studying healing modalities, meditation,
[0:34] yoga,
[0:35] biofeedback, the Alexander technique,
[0:38] shamanism,
[0:40] um so many incredible modalities,
[0:43] singing bowls, plant spirit medicine,
[0:46] and also has been initiated in the
[0:48] Yoruba tradition, which she holds very
[0:50] dear and sacred to her heart. And she's
[0:54] been on this path for about 60 years
[0:56] now,
[0:58] which is just absolutely incredible. I
[1:02] truly feel that Susan is
[1:04] like a national treasure, one of those
[1:06] gems of wisdom,
[1:09] and benevolence, kindness, and insight
[1:14] that is is just such an honor to have
[1:17] Susan here with us today. Her work in
[1:19] the world is as a singing bowl sound
[1:22] healer, also a holistic wellness mentor,
[1:26] and a ceremony facilitator among many
[1:29] other hats that she wears. It is my deep
[1:32] honor and privilege to introduce beloved
[1:36] Susan Murray. The warmest welcome to
[1:38] you, Susan. I'm so happy to have you
[1:40] here.
[1:40] >> Thank you, Prema.
[1:43] >> So, Susan, I would love to begin by
[1:45] hearing about your spiritual awakening.
[1:48] What was that like for you? Was it sort
[1:51] of something that happened in one major
[1:54] satori moment? Was it something that
[1:56] happened over time? Was it a radical
[1:59] awakening or a gradual? I'm curious to
[2:01] hear how that was for you and around
[2:03] what age did that start happening?
[2:06] >> With me it was very gradual.
[2:09] I was fortunate to have
[2:12] a mother who was very spiritually
[2:15] oriented. So she introduced me to some
[2:19] practices that she had found helpful,
[2:21] which was really just trust. If you were
[2:24] to name it anything, just cultivating
[2:27] trust that
[2:29] the universe is a supportive place.
[2:35] And that
[2:37] if we can align ourselves with
[2:41] to whatever degree with spirit, then we
[2:44] will receive what we need. She
[2:47] I remember when I had my first period
[2:49] and I had
[2:51] cramps. I didn't know what to do with
[2:53] them. She gave me a copy of Mary Baker
[2:55] Eddy's Science and Health with Key to
[2:58] the Scriptures, which I had never read
[3:00] before. I suddenly realized that my
[3:02] cramps had disappeared and that was I
[3:05] think maybe the most stunning
[3:07] thing like
[3:09] oh, this works.
[3:11] It was It was a surprise. So I was young
[3:15] at the time. I was always drawn to
[3:17] stories that were uplifting or stories
[3:20] about enlightened masters or things of
[3:22] that degree, but I didn't really run
[3:23] into that till
[3:25] I was in my freshman year of college and
[3:27] I discovered Shambhala Bookstore, which
[3:30] was down the street on Telegraph Avenue
[3:33] and started perusing the bookshelves and
[3:37] found some fascinating stories in there.
[3:40] But still it all felt very far away from
[3:43] me. I think it took me many years to
[3:45] realize that
[3:48] it wasn't just something to read about,
[3:51] it was something to
[3:53] to live.
[3:55] So it took me a long time before I began
[3:57] to understand some more of the elements
[4:00] of that. So I think along the way I was
[4:02] influenced by a lot of things that I
[4:04] read.
[4:06] Pretty much anything that I read I found
[4:08] a message in. I found some kind of a
[4:10] lesson in.
[4:13] But I think it was when I started
[4:15] reading Carlos Castaneda for the first
[4:17] time
[4:19] I had had an an epiphany one day when I
[4:22] was feeling very discouraged.
[4:25] And it occurred to me that
[4:27] if I was this unhappy, I was probably
[4:30] believing something that wasn't true.
[4:33] And I had no idea what to throw out and
[4:37] what to retain. And at that time I felt
[4:39] so lost and hopeless that
[4:42] I figured I could throw out anything I
[4:44] could identify.
[4:46] And I I basically did a a dropout thing
[4:50] in that
[4:50] >> [laughter]
[4:51] >> that time. I gave up my apartment and
[4:54] I I met people in a completely different
[4:57] way than I ever had before and started
[4:59] just living in it in a different way, a
[5:01] simpler way. And
[5:03] reading Castaneda
[5:05] the thing that really impacted me first
[5:08] was
[5:10] Carlos's teacher saying to him
[5:12] that we are spiritual warriors if we
[5:15] choose to be. And a spiritual warrior
[5:17] needs to be prepared to die at any
[5:19] moment. You never know which moment will
[5:22] be your last.
[5:24] And he asked Carlos, he said, "You don't
[5:25] want to die in some stupid mood, do
[5:28] you?"
[5:30] And that just pulled me up short. It was
[5:32] like, "No.
[5:34] I'm tired of my stupid moods. I don't
[5:36] want to die in a stupid mood." So,
[5:40] I think I began exploring more. And I
[5:42] think, you know, when you are living in
[5:44] the Bay Area in the
[5:46] 60s and 70s
[5:49] >> [laughter]
[5:49] >> there was the flower children, the
[5:51] hippie movement, there was altered
[5:54] consciousness. So, that was
[5:57] what seemed to me the easiest way to
[5:59] change my point of view was to change my
[6:02] consciousness. So,
[6:04] I did a lot of exploration of altered
[6:06] states at the time.
[6:08] And just gradually grew and learned and
[6:11] learned more about myself and learned
[6:14] more about avoiding stupids
[6:16] stupid moves, learning more about how to
[6:19] more quickly get out of stupid moves.
[6:24] And
[6:25] there were lots of things that came to
[6:28] me during that time. I
[6:30] I'm had I met a a magical young woman
[6:34] who had this
[6:35] golden red hair that was out to about
[6:38] here, just all curls, and she was so
[6:41] exotic. She dressed in these beautiful
[6:44] indigenous clothes and she had
[6:46] adventures and she went places and
[6:49] she told me about um transcendental
[6:51] meditations.
[6:53] So, of course I had to get initiated.
[6:56] And that was also
[6:59] probably the most stabilizing thing I
[7:01] had done up until that point.
[7:04] When meditating regularly and
[7:08] then I ended up living in a house with a
[7:10] bunch of meditators and we all went to a
[7:12] teacher training with Maharishi
[7:15] in Humboldt, um Northern California.
[7:18] And that was mind-blowing. That was
[7:21] So, it was just a series of
[7:24] steps like that. A series of many many
[7:27] many many, probably hundreds or
[7:30] thousands of little steps.
[7:33] And I feel like I'm still on that path.
[7:35] I'm still
[7:36] gathering tools, um
[7:39] my most recent acquisitions are through
[7:41] the energy school that Linda Cesar
[7:44] started. I'm currently in the three
[7:46] classes, one with her and two with one
[7:48] of her students.
[7:50] But I just have become sort of a junkie
[7:53] for
[7:54] learning techniques which help me feel
[7:57] stable and grounded and
[8:00] allow me to be more
[8:03] more helpful.
[8:05] I think that given the amount of
[8:07] distress I experienced when I was
[8:10] younger,
[8:11] sharing what helped me has probably
[8:14] become my most important um
[8:17] driving force.
[8:19] When I meet people who
[8:21] are suffering in a way that I recognize
[8:24] and understand, I want to share with
[8:26] them the tools that I have learned.
[8:29] And I guess that's really what my life
[8:31] is is centered around now.
[8:35] Which
[8:37] is probably the most fulfilling part of
[8:39] my life.
[8:42] They say Sagittarius is we tend to be
[8:45] late bloomers, so
[8:46] there's my my late blooming.
[8:51] >> [gasps and sighs]
[8:52] >> So I just turned 80 in December, so I've
[8:55] got I figure
[8:57] hopefully another good 10, maybe 20
[8:59] years
[9:01] if I maintain my health.
[9:05] >> Amazing. Uh
[9:07] I just
[9:08] >> that's the that was the trajectory.
[9:10] >> I'm curious with regards to your journey
[9:13] with sacred [snorts] medicine, plant
[9:14] spirit medicine as a tool to help expand
[9:17] your consciousness. Who were some of the
[9:19] early voices back in the '70s that you
[9:22] were inspired by
[9:24] uh and how did that evolve over time
[9:26] into more of a very intentional,
[9:29] ceremonial, and containerized experience
[9:31] that ultimately can produce much deeper
[9:35] healing results when held in that sacred
[9:37] way?
[9:37] >> There weren't so many personalities
[9:40] really. I and I'm sure there were things
[9:42] I read, things people I bumped into. I
[9:45] mean, experiences here and there. I
[9:48] I was fortunate to have some amazing
[9:50] experiences.
[9:52] I once met um
[9:55] uh no if
[9:56] if Meher Baba means that name means
[9:59] anything to any of you.
[10:01] He was a Sufi mystic um who didn't speak
[10:05] for over 40 years.
[10:08] Um that don't worry, be happy song of
[10:11] Bobby McFerrin's I think was inspired by
[10:14] him.
[10:16] But one day when I was extremely
[10:18] depressed, I was trudging down the
[10:20] street with my head hanging down and
[10:22] suddenly I saw this little
[10:25] bright smile looking up at me like that.
[10:27] This
[10:29] blonde curly haired young man had
[10:32] noticed me and he noticed my expression
[10:36] and he bent down until he found my gaze
[10:39] and he handed me
[10:41] this little card of Meher Baba's that
[10:43] said, "Don't worry, be happy."
[10:47] I was so stunned in that moment
[10:50] by this beautiful smile and the
[10:52] simplicity of his gesture that it
[10:57] it inspired me to start reading Meher
[10:59] Baba's things and along the way I met
[11:02] some people who had studied had been to
[11:05] his
[11:06] his ashram and had studied there
[11:10] and took me to meet his cousin
[11:13] and in a reception line afterwards that
[11:16] I don't know why I was in it but I felt
[11:18] like I had to go by and shake his hand.
[11:22] He embraced me and it sent me into an
[11:25] altered state that I'd never experienced
[11:27] before.
[11:29] I think he just
[11:31] he did he he zapped me
[11:34] >> [laughter]
[11:34] >> some way
[11:35] and it just took me into this cosmic
[11:38] space that I can't even describe. I was
[11:41] like floating
[11:43] for a while. It took me a while to come
[11:45] back
[11:46] down but I've never forgotten that
[11:49] feeling. So that felt like an initiation
[11:51] of sorts.
[11:53] So there there were things of that
[11:55] nature like momentary things.
[11:57] But probably as much as anything it was
[12:00] the music of the time.
[12:02] When I would listen to music especially
[12:05] in an altered state it would just
[12:10] expand my expand me in ways that I
[12:13] couldn't even put words to, but it was
[12:15] like an upgrade to my nervous system.
[12:19] I think I was collecting upgrades to my
[12:20] nervous system
[12:23] all the way along. I think it was when I
[12:25] first joined a community of intentional
[12:31] working together intentionally with with
[12:33] plant medicine.
[12:35] Um that was when things really took off
[12:39] and then
[12:40] there were ideas introduced and
[12:44] along the way I ended up getting into a
[12:46] formal training program.
[12:49] And there is a formal methodology which
[12:51] doesn't to me really
[12:53] stand It does stand alone. I mean, you
[12:55] don't even need plant medicine to use
[12:57] it, but it's really just describing a
[12:59] way of being.
[13:01] And I think just little by little
[13:04] the pieces began to fall into place for
[13:06] me of how I could
[13:12] like chart a course through through
[13:14] this. I never anticipated
[13:16] being a facilitator. It just sort of
[13:19] happened because
[13:21] I was drawn that way
[13:23] and I allowed myself to be drawn that
[13:25] way.
[13:27] Which I suppose that was one of my
[13:28] favorite Rumi poems is about allowing
[13:31] yourself to be drawn
[13:34] where your heart's pulling you, right?
[13:36] >> I'm curious if you could share with us
[13:38] one of the most peak awakening or
[13:40] healing experiences that you've had
[13:42] along your journey?
[13:43] >> You know, one of them might be
[13:46] I asked a friend who had been
[13:49] in training some years ago with um
[13:53] the teacher that I've been with
[13:55] for quite some time now.
[13:58] If she would start a women's group and I
[14:01] invited my closest girlfriends at the
[14:03] time, so there were like four of us. We
[14:06] were all talking together and something
[14:08] came up
[14:10] that triggered this enormous shame in me
[14:14] where I felt like I would die of shame,
[14:17] literally die of shame. It was so
[14:19] intense.
[14:22] But there was no escaping from it. I had
[14:24] to sit with it, and I was witnessed
[14:27] lovingly by people who I trusted deeply,
[14:31] and I was held in that space until
[14:35] that wave of shame passed through me,
[14:38] and I realized I hadn't died.
[14:42] I would have loved the earth to open up
[14:43] and swallow me in that moment because
[14:45] the shame was so enormous and so
[14:49] debilitating.
[14:51] I didn't even remember what it was about
[14:53] at the time, but it didn't matter. It
[14:55] was the experience.
[14:58] And letting it
[15:00] fully process in my body, letting it
[15:02] move through me, and surviving it, and
[15:06] feeling freedom afterwards.
[15:09] That was probably one of the most
[15:10] important moments for me.
[15:13] >> I love that story. I've had some
[15:15] definitely had some similar experiences
[15:17] myself, and just so incredibly
[15:20] liberating, although
[15:22] terrifying.
[15:23] >> Like terrifying.
[15:24] >> Nothing short of like
[15:25] full terror in the moment. And that's,
[15:28] you know, the intensity of that terror
[15:31] is like a portal to unlock that much
[15:34] more
[15:35] freedom
[15:36] >> [sighs and gasps]
[15:36] >> and liberation the other side, and
[15:39] comfort with oneself.
[15:41] >> Yes, that was the beginning of realizing
[15:44] that I could
[15:45] actually find comfort within,
[15:48] rather than needing it through the
[15:50] presence of somebody else to coregulate
[15:53] with.
[15:54] Then I realized I could
[15:58] be self-sufficient in that regard. I
[16:00] mean, it it's I'm still working on
[16:02] skills in that in that area, but I'm
[16:05] doing much better with it now.
[16:08] And actually reaching to the earth if I
[16:11] am feeling
[16:12] really off balance and really
[16:14] distressed, which occasionally happens
[16:16] in the middle of the night, you know,
[16:17] those you wake up in the night and the
[16:19] thoughts start running and the fears
[16:22] amplify.
[16:24] If I can reach energetically for the
[16:28] earth to support me and feel it coming
[16:31] up
[16:33] within me,
[16:36] everything just chills out.
[16:41] So, I have to
[16:43] Linda's exercises, there's actually a
[16:46] few more elements to what she calls the
[16:48] basics, but
[16:49] >> Yeah.
[16:51] >> We I I
[16:53] I remember I remind myself of the basics
[16:56] as often as I can.
[16:58] Especially if I'm feeling a little bit
[17:00] disregulated, that will be the now the
[17:02] first thing I do.
[17:04] >> Yeah.
[17:05] >> And it's basically reaching to the
[17:06] earth.
[17:08] >> And you don't even need to physically
[17:10] touch it. It's more about learning how
[17:12] to really feel it cuz
[17:14] we are energetic beings, we can actually
[17:16] touch it without physically touching the
[17:18] earth.
[17:18] >> Yeah.
[17:19] >> Mhm.
[17:20] >> Some people are comfortable sinking
[17:22] roots way deep into the earth. That's
[17:24] never been easy for me,
[17:26] but I can feel the earth energy rising
[17:28] up to meet me.
[17:30] That works for me. And there's pretty
[17:33] much any technique that works for
[17:36] any individual is going to get the same
[17:39] result.
[17:40] >> Mhm.
[17:41] >> Just a finding a way that you can make
[17:43] your connection.
[17:45] >> Mhm.
[17:46] >> [clears throat]
[17:46] >> Yeah.
[17:47] >> You're in physical form, the earth is
[17:52] primary.
[17:54] >> Absolutely.
[17:55] >> there's the the universal, there's the
[17:59] the divine masculine energy coming in
[18:02] also, but
[18:04] earth first and then we can bring our
[18:06] own individual
[18:10] sun's ray, as Linda calls it, like
[18:13] each of us has our own attunement with
[18:16] the sun and with the universe and
[18:18] bringing that energy down.
[18:20] She says bringing it down the back body.
[18:24] >> Mhm.
[18:24] >> Down into the root chakra.
[18:26] Bringing the earth energy up to the root
[18:28] chakra, bringing the
[18:30] your own and unique sun's ray down the
[18:32] back body into the root chakra and
[18:35] letting them blend there.
[18:37] And then bringing that energy up
[18:40] into the second, third, fourth, etc.
[18:42] chakras that way is a wonderful practice
[18:44] as well.
[18:46] >> Mhm.
[18:47] >> We're just nourishing and aligning and
[18:49] charging our chakras so that they are
[18:54] optimal, optimally aligned, optimally
[18:57] >> restored or refilled.
[18:59] >> Yes.
[18:59] >> Replenished.
[19:00] >> So that they can all do their jobs.
[19:03] >> Yeah.
[19:03] >> Sometimes our attention goes out. It can
[19:06] go out from any of our chakras, going
[19:08] out with curiosity.
[19:11] But it's easy to um lose our essence
[19:13] that way if we're not containing it.
[19:17] >> Can you talk about tying tying the
[19:19] fibers and how that works?
[19:21] >> Yeah.
[19:23] Yeah, um
[19:25] Linda talks about
[19:28] Well, these are our attention fibers.
[19:30] They can come from any of the seven body
[19:33] chakras, but they primarily come from
[19:36] the belly region and more the third
[19:39] chakra, which is our interaction with
[19:41] the world.
[19:43] And so she
[19:45] one of the exercises is to imagining
[19:51] two fibers coming out from our belly
[19:54] and taking them and tying like a half
[19:57] knot snug against the body.
[20:00] So this is
[20:02] kind of locking our attention inside our
[20:05] body.
[20:06] >> Mhm.
[20:07] >> Because many of us tend to put our
[20:09] attention into other people's bodies,
[20:11] feel other people's feelings.
[20:14] And without even realizing it, it's a
[20:16] safety mechanism. If we're sure of what
[20:19] somebody else
[20:20] If we're sure somebody else is
[20:21] comfortable, then we can feel safer.
[20:24] Some Some people, that's a very strong
[20:26] pattern in
[20:29] But, for anybody, tying the fibers in a
[20:31] half knot and then stretching them out
[20:34] in your mind's eye as far as you can,
[20:36] like out to your auric edge, and
[20:38] sweeping them around,
[20:40] imagining them coming through the back
[20:42] of your body and out your belly again,
[20:45] and then tying a square knot.
[20:47] Like you were tying your
[20:51] If you were um in martial arts, tying
[20:53] your belt in front of your belly. And
[20:55] this is
[20:57] your
[20:58] describing the area of your auric field,
[21:02] and you're
[21:03] closing your attention behind
[21:05] in your body, so that your attention is
[21:08] reminded to be in the body and within
[21:12] the auric field, not extending beyond
[21:14] there.
[21:16] So, I find whenever I start feeling
[21:19] somebody else's feelings, I just do a
[21:22] quick imaginary tying off the fibers to
[21:24] bring my attention
[21:26] back to how I feel,
[21:29] rather than getting lost in how somebody
[21:30] else is feeling.
[21:36] >> So,
[21:37] >> That's a handy little practice,
[21:38] especially for people who tend to be
[21:40] empathic.
[21:42] >> Yeah, so helpful.
[21:44] And especially also for people who had
[21:46] who were raised in environments where
[21:48] they needed to send their fibers out to
[21:51] create safety and coherence in in in
[21:54] stable, disregulated environment. It's
[21:57] like some of us
[21:58] got trained, basically, to you know, to
[22:01] create safety
[22:02] >> Exactly.
[22:02] >> with the fibers out a lot, and got
[22:05] really good at it. And so, this is
[22:07] actually an undoing. It sounds like a
[22:09] lot of Linda's practices are an undoing
[22:11] of early childhood
[22:14] adaptations.
[22:15] >> Exactly.
[22:17] >> survival strategies. Um what are some of
[22:19] the other ones practices and tools that
[22:22] you have found that undo unconscious
[22:27] adaptations that you may not have
[22:29] realized that you had.
[22:30] >> I don't know if I have a lot of
[22:32] techniques I've developed. I'm just
[22:35] >> Maybe the me not me?
[22:36] >> The me not me is very important. Yeah,
[22:39] within your space being the only one,
[22:43] but I think also
[22:46] I have noticed that when I get anxious
[22:50] that's almost
[22:52] almost I mean there's seldom a saber a
[22:54] saber-tooth tiger around the corner,
[22:56] right?
[22:57] When I feel anxious
[22:59] or unhappy or
[23:02] but mainly anxious
[23:04] that's usually that something's
[23:05] operating that's not my truth.
[23:10] It's something that has been introduced
[23:12] like I should be worrying about that or
[23:14] I should think about that. It's not
[23:15] actually happening.
[23:17] It might not have anything to do with me
[23:19] at all.
[23:20] But it's some automatic response and
[23:23] when I so when I feel
[23:26] anxious
[23:27] that's when I start looking at
[23:30] what am I
[23:31] what am I believing right now? What am I
[23:33] basing my behavior on? What am I making
[23:35] my choices based on?
[23:38] Is it
[23:39] what I know to be true or is it
[23:41] something that is
[23:43] causing static in my field?
[23:47] That was a stunning realization when I
[23:49] recognized that just feeling
[23:52] bad is a good indicator of something is
[23:55] really
[23:58] off-center.
[24:04] When I'm aligned, I never feel bad.
[24:07] >> Right. Right. And the amazing thing is
[24:10] having tools that are effective to bring
[24:12] you back into being aligned so that it's
[24:14] like it's actually becomes a gift. Like
[24:18] when you when you notice that you're not
[24:21] feeling well, it's actually a blessing
[24:24] because it's showing you something's not
[24:26] in alignment with your truth.
[24:28] And you're you know, your intention for
[24:31] your life and your soul path. Something
[24:33] is off.
[24:34] And so it's actually a blessing cuz it's
[24:36] like a knock knock. And when you have
[24:37] the tools, it's like, "Okay, I know what
[24:39] to do to come back now."
[24:41] >> Exactly. And just bringing my attention
[24:44] back into my body and to my breath, that
[24:47] alone
[24:48] without any
[24:50] any more bells and whistles, that enough
[24:52] that alone is enough to get me started
[24:56] back into feeling centered.
[24:58] >> Mhm.
[24:59] >> Just feeling the breath.
[25:02] >> Mhm.
[25:03] >> Like just when you have when we gather
[25:06] the way you guide us, that is enormously
[25:09] helpful.
[25:10] >> Yeah.
[25:11] >> And your beautiful meditations,
[25:14] here we have this treasure trove.
[25:17] >> Mhm.
[25:18] >> Or sometimes just listening to some
[25:19] really uplifting piece of music.
[25:21] >> Mhm.
[25:22] >> Or going outside and looking at the sky
[25:25] or the trees, the way the light shines
[25:27] off the leaves or listening to birdsong.
[25:31] Nature, all of these things are so
[25:35] centering. We just have to remember to
[25:37] do it.
[25:39] >> Absolutely. Absolutely. I heard in one
[25:41] of Linda's meditations the phrase
[25:43] doubt shout to fill your field or
[25:45] something.
[25:46] >> Yes. Doubt, d o u b t, it's to dispel
[25:49] doubt.
[25:50] >> Okay.
[25:51] >> Yes.
[25:53] Yeah, that's actually very simple. You
[25:55] just um I like to do it standing up. Get
[25:58] this chair out of the way.
[26:00] Um
[26:01] and it's just I grounding yourself,
[26:04] centering yourself,
[26:06] doing the basics.
[26:07] You know, you're grounded, you're
[26:09] centered, you feel the earth energy
[26:10] rising up.
[26:13] And then saying your name inside your
[26:15] space and gathering your essence
[26:19] overhead.
[26:21] My hands are together here. You can't
[26:23] really see that, but bringing it
[26:24] overhead.
[26:26] You're breathing in as you breathe your
[26:28] essence in.
[26:30] And then bringing your down through the
[26:33] central core of your body and then going
[26:37] just expelling it with a gesture like
[26:40] that and a
[26:42] a sound.
[26:44] That is called a doubt shout and it
[26:46] actually really is a very quick way of
[26:51] I'd forgotten about that. Thank you,
[26:52] Prema.
[26:55] >> Why is it called a doubt shout? Is it to
[26:57] send out any
[26:58] >> You remove doubt from your body. You're
[27:01] You're pulling your essence in and
[27:03] you're sending out anything that doesn't
[27:05] match your essence.
[27:09] >> These tools These tools are golden.
[27:12] >> Yeah.
[27:13] >> I love it. Mm.
[27:15] >> We do that at the beginning and end of
[27:18] ceremonies when we have ceremonies in
[27:20] class and we have ceremonies
[27:23] to claim certain attributes of something
[27:25] we've been studying for the previous
[27:27] month. But, you can do it whenever
[27:28] you're feeling anxious, too.
[27:31] >> Mhm.
[27:32] >> You can do it whenever.
[27:33] >> So, I've had the blessing of knowing you
[27:35] for 13 years now and I have noticed that
[27:40] since you've been doing this work with
[27:41] Linda Cesara, it just feels like
[27:44] your ability to teach and to transmit um
[27:48] has come even more stronger online. I'm
[27:51] wondering what
[27:54] what are some of the main things that
[27:57] you've learned that have been the most
[27:59] transformational in terms of
[28:02] really stepping into more
[28:05] uh more ability to thrive in you know,
[28:08] in your in your day-to-day life and also
[28:11] in teaching and sharing and holding
[28:13] space for others.
[28:14] >> I have ne- never felt like a very
[28:16] grounded person most of my life.
[28:19] I was kind of floaty. I tended to leave
[28:22] my body when I'd get anxious. I wouldn't
[28:25] My attention wouldn't stay in my body.
[28:28] And I tend to be more concerned about
[28:31] how other people are feeling.
[28:33] So, I was always leaving myself. So, I
[28:35] think this
[28:37] multi
[28:38] times a day practice of refreshing my
[28:42] basics
[28:44] over a period, it's been 3 and 1/2 years
[28:46] now,
[28:47] has made a big difference to my ability
[28:50] to stay
[28:52] present, to stay grounded.
[28:55] And also recognizing how wobbly
[28:59] I mean, I always knew I got really
[29:01] wobbly, but
[29:02] when my um confidence would just vanish
[29:06] and I would be so shaky that I wouldn't
[29:08] be able to speak with confidence.
[29:11] Um
[29:12] I don't know if if anybody if you you
[29:15] two particularly have had that problem,
[29:18] but for me it was
[29:20] really an extreme sort of condition for
[29:23] a lot of my life.
[29:25] And so,
[29:27] developing more of a sense of core
[29:29] through these practices of like who I am
[29:32] and what my
[29:33] my positive qualities are.
[29:36] Um
[29:37] just reminding myself of that
[29:41] in some way
[29:43] and learning to deal with the doubts
[29:46] when they would come in, when the
[29:48] negative voices would start to get
[29:50] really loud,
[29:52] I'm learning to say
[29:55] no to them. I mean, it's almost that
[29:57] simple. I'm just learning to say no to
[29:59] them. Like, no, I'm not going to go down
[30:01] that path right now. There's no there's
[30:03] no value in it.
[30:05] >> [gasps]
[30:05] >> It's only going to make me feel weak.
[30:07] It's not going to produce any safety
[30:10] whatsoever. It's just going to make
[30:12] things harder.
[30:14] So, I think I'm just more
[30:19] more present. I I tend to get lost in
[30:22] the self-doubt much less often.
[30:24] >> Can you extrapolate a little bit about
[30:28] this notion that um that we as souls get
[30:33] to tend to our own energy, our own aura,
[30:36] and our own dream for our lives. How you
[30:38] would describe that, that we get to
[30:40] focus our energy on our own dream, our
[30:42] own vision, and that that's not actually
[30:46] selfish at all. It's actually in
[30:48] alignment to do so.
[30:50] >> One of the wonderful tools that Linda
[30:53] has taught, um,
[30:55] is making thought form containers.
[30:58] They can be attached to an object or
[31:00] not. It's just but it's based on, um,
[31:04] this is coming from the deer tribe. It's
[31:06] based on
[31:08] what they call the 20 count. It is 20
[31:11] different coherent fields that are
[31:13] present
[31:16] just naturally.
[31:18] It starts off with just no um
[31:21] starts in the east. East, west, south,
[31:23] and north.
[31:24] And then south of center.
[31:27] And each one has an association like
[31:29] grandfather sun in the east.
[31:33] Grandmother earth in the west, sacred
[31:35] plants in the south, and sacred animals
[31:37] in the north, and sacred humans in the
[31:39] south of center.
[31:41] So just calling in those four fields and
[31:44] feeling them. You do them at first, you
[31:46] do them singly. And then after a while
[31:49] when you get familiar, you can do them
[31:51] as a unit. And then there's the cross
[31:53] quarters, the southeast, which is sacred
[31:56] ancestors, the southwest, each of us our
[31:59] own sacred dream. Northwest, the sacred
[32:02] law and our of our book of life. Like
[32:05] what is our path for this lifetime.
[32:08] And then in the northeast is the design
[32:11] and choreography of energy.
[32:14] So and then there's, um, the north of
[32:16] center is like a full measure of
[32:18] intellect. So each of these has
[32:21] like a whole energy associated with it.
[32:23] So just going through that process,
[32:27] um,
[32:28] made me more aware that each of us
[32:33] I mean this is recognized by indigenous
[32:35] people. I'm sure all over the the globe
[32:38] that we each come in with our sacred
[32:41] dream of what we want that
[32:43] according to Michael Newton who's
[32:45] written some books on life between
[32:47] lives. It's a very interesting topic. He
[32:50] had been
[32:52] he was a hypnotherapist who discovered
[32:55] that he was regressing people not just
[32:57] to past lives but to a space between
[32:59] lives and he began mapping that
[33:02] where we decide what is our next lesson
[33:04] we're going to learn and plan
[33:07] where how we want to be born so that we
[33:09] have a chance of learning what we want
[33:11] to learn in in this lifetime. So that
[33:14] idea always appealed to me. Whenever I'd
[33:16] come across it, I would go, "Oh yes."
[33:18] You know, it was I think I I came in
[33:22] already having a feel for that.
[33:25] Um [clears throat] so
[33:28] just being reminded of that. And then
[33:30] there's the higher octave of the first
[33:32] 10 counts of the each one like the
[33:34] higher octave of it.
[33:36] So paying attention to those energies
[33:40] and it's something I do every day now.
[33:42] Um
[33:45] and paying and recognizing that each of
[33:47] us has the same sacred dream. Each will
[33:50] be different but we each have
[33:53] what we came here to do and and our
[33:55] proclivities, what how we want to do it.
[33:58] What we're drawn towards, what we're
[34:01] repelled by, all of these things.
[34:03] Just um
[34:07] I think just being aware of that
[34:11] made it easier for me to pay attention
[34:15] to what is it I'm drawn towards.
[34:20] And really being mindful and then
[34:23] starting to take steps to
[34:25] make it happen. If someone finds himself
[34:28] thinking about something too much
[34:31] more than is helpful, thinking about
[34:34] another person more than is helpful
[34:36] what would you recommend? What tools
[34:39] would you recommend to do? um
[34:43] to really let that go in a healthy way
[34:45] and come back
[34:47] to center.
[34:48] >> I think tying the fibers would be the
[34:50] first step.
[34:52] >> Mhm.
[34:52] >> Just making sure that your energy is
[34:55] grounded and centered.
[34:57] >> Mhm.
[34:57] >> Tying [clears throat] your fibers, I
[34:59] mean, there's all sorts of practices or
[35:01] cutting cords that might be necessary.
[35:03] That it comes down to making choices.
[35:06] >> Yeah.
[35:07] >> Am I going to allow myself to keep
[35:09] codicating in this loop, you know? Am I
[35:11] going to allow myself to keep doing
[35:12] this, or am I going to just
[35:15] make a decision
[35:17] to do something else with my attention.
[35:19] So, if I give my attention something
[35:21] else to do that's constructive,
[35:25] then it's a feeling like I'm building a
[35:26] muscle. I can make a choice. I've got
[35:29] agency.
[35:30] I don't have to listen to the negative
[35:32] voices. I don't have to listen to the
[35:35] scary voices. I don't need to worry
[35:37] about something I can't do anything
[35:40] about. And if I can do something about
[35:42] it, I'm going to be more effective if I
[35:44] keep my energy contained so that I can
[35:47] use all of my energy to be helpful
[35:50] rather than it being pulled off
[35:53] by merging in some way with somebody
[35:55] else.
[35:56] >> And sometimes, not only do we sometimes
[35:59] get distracted on things that we're
[36:01] worried about, but sometimes, like
[36:03] fixating on a person that we're drawn
[36:05] to, it could be even seemingly a
[36:07] positive thing,
[36:08] but ultimately, it's distracting us away
[36:10] from actually being present in our
[36:12] bodies, right?
[36:13] >> Yeah.
[36:14] If you make somebody else the the center
[36:17] of your attention,
[36:19] then
[36:20] where are you?
[36:22] If I make somebody else's Where is my
[36:24] attention? It's not on me. It's not on
[36:26] how I feel. So, I don't
[36:28] know what I need. I don't know how to
[36:30] take care of myself
[36:33] because I've abandoned myself.
[36:38] >> Mhm.
[36:39] >> [clears throat]
[36:39] >> I would love to invite us to do the
[36:41] tying fibers practice together, and just
[36:44] calling to mind or calling to heart
[36:46] something that you've been fixating on,
[36:49] putting a lot of energy out. So, would
[36:51] you be willing to guide us in that
[36:53] practice together so we can actually
[36:55] embody it, Susan?
[36:56] >> Certainly. Um
[36:59] First, just close your eyes for a moment
[37:01] and bring your attention right back into
[37:03] your body.
[37:04] And feel your feet on the ground.
[37:07] Feel your spine.
[37:10] Feel the core of your body.
[37:19] Feel your essence in your bones.
[37:33] And bringing your attention to your
[37:35] belly.
[37:39] Imagining two fibers coming out from
[37:41] your belly.
[37:42] And you might want to just envision
[37:45] yourself brushing them off, cleaning
[37:47] them off from anything that might be
[37:49] sticking to them.
[37:51] And then just making a
[37:53] a half knot against your belly.
[37:56] Against your navel.
[37:59] And then
[38:00] moving the fibers out in front of you,
[38:03] stretching them out
[38:05] to as far as you can reach and sweeping
[38:07] your hands
[38:09] around your auric edge.
[38:11] Tracing your auric edge
[38:14] around to the back of your body.
[38:17] Feeling the space that is yours.
[38:21] That should be inviolate.
[38:23] And then imagining the fibers coming
[38:25] back through your body
[38:28] and tying a square knot
[38:30] in front of your belly.
[38:32] So, your attention
[38:34] is now within your body
[38:38] within your auric field.
[38:41] If you like, you can take the ends of
[38:43] those fibers and you can
[38:45] imagine one of them attached
[38:49] going down into the ground to root you
[38:51] more firmly.
[38:53] You can imagine one wrapping around your
[38:56] core if you feel your core needs
[38:58] strengthening
[38:59] or touching the inside of your auric
[39:02] edge if that is helpful.
[39:05] But just keeping your attention within
[39:07] your personal space
[39:10] saying your name there to feel your
[39:12] essence really strongly.
[39:16] And feeling your stealth and your space
[39:21] filled with your essence and not
[39:26] with that energy not being interfered
[39:28] with by anything that is not yours.
[39:37] And when that feels complete, just
[39:39] bringing your attention back into the
[39:41] room.
[39:48] After a while you get a felt sense of it
[39:50] and it can be very very quick.
[39:52] You can just think to yourself tying tie
[39:55] fibers
[39:56] and
[39:57] it's kind of all falls into place.
[40:00] We've got these complex nervous systems
[40:03] and
[40:04] our neurotransmitters sometimes go crazy
[40:07] and it takes a while for it all to
[40:09] metabolize. We just have to be patient
[40:12] with ourselves when we have
[40:15] an activation of some sort
[40:18] and just allow it to subside and um or
[40:22] and learn from it what we can. Sometimes
[40:24] there's really important information in
[40:26] there.
[40:27] >> Mhm.
[40:28] >> When you practice it daily um
[40:32] or multiple times a day ideally
[40:35] it's a way of staying more present so
[40:37] that the reactive phases are fewer
[40:42] and
[40:44] mhm
[40:45] easier to recover from. I think
[40:47] basically is why it's been so important
[40:49] for me.
[40:51] And it's really just bringing your
[40:54] attention
[40:56] into your body.
[40:58] She starts by saying please attend to
[41:01] your spine.
[41:03] Attend to the bones of your spine, that
[41:05] central core of your body.
[41:09] It might be helpful to close your eyes
[41:11] and just feel your spine in the center
[41:13] of your body.
[41:19] From the base of your skull
[41:21] down through your neck,
[41:24] your abdomen down to the sacrum, to the
[41:26] base of your spine the other end.
[41:33] Just attending
[41:35] to that bony center of your body that
[41:38] supports you and sustains you and allows
[41:40] you to move in
[41:42] so many directions.
[41:48] As you attend to the bones of your
[41:49] spine, you become centered in your body.
[41:59] So, engaging now the bones
[42:02] of your pelvis, moving down to your
[42:05] pelvis, legs and feet.
[42:11] And as you attend to the bones of your
[42:13] pelvis, legs and feet, you become
[42:15] centered in each of your legs.
[42:20] Centered in your spine.
[42:24] Centered in your body.
[42:40] And bringing your attention back to your
[42:42] spine,
[42:43] notice where your rib cage meets your
[42:46] spine in back.
[42:48] And then follow your ribs around to the
[42:50] the in front.
[42:52] moving your attention up
[42:54] to your shoulders, to your clavicles,
[42:59] out to your shoulders and down your
[43:00] arms,
[43:02] wrists and hands.
[43:07] And as you attend to the bones in your
[43:09] arms,
[43:12] you become centered in each of your
[43:13] arms.
[43:19] Centered in your legs,
[43:22] centered in your spine,
[43:25] centered in your body.
[43:34] And as you attend
[43:36] to your essence, the essence of you,
[43:39] that
[43:40] energy, that frequency which makes you
[43:42] unique, attending to that in your bones,
[43:47] then you have core,
[43:49] that sense of who you are.
[43:56] Centered in your arms, centered in your
[43:58] legs, centered in your spine,
[44:03] centered in your core.
[44:14] In truth, you're always centered in your
[44:16] body.
[44:18] But what wanders is our attention.
[44:21] So this is a practice of bringing our
[44:22] attention back into the body,
[44:25] so that when we walk, we feel our feet
[44:28] on the ground,
[44:29] and not just a head moving through
[44:31] space,
[44:34] feeling our body, which is really an
[44:37] antenna for energy.
[44:41] >> [snorts]
[44:46] >> So now engaging your roots from the
[44:48] bottom of your feet down into the earth,
[44:52] and drinking [clears throat] in that
[44:53] nourishing earth energy.
[44:56] Receiving the warm nourishing heart of
[44:59] the earth
[45:00] up into your feet and your ankles and
[45:02] your legs
[45:05] up into your pelvis
[45:08] up into your spine
[45:13] into your arms
[45:15] and up into your neck and your head.
[45:19] All of your body filled with nourishing
[45:21] and stabilizing
[45:23] earth energy.
[45:28] Every cell in your body nourished,
[45:30] supported, and sustained with nourishing
[45:33] earth energy.
[45:43] And attending now to your heart space
[45:47] receiving energy from your insides now
[45:51] from your essence into your heart.
[45:54] Imagining a chalice in the center of
[45:56] your heart and that filling with this
[45:59] beautiful sustaining nourishing
[46:02] stabilizing earth energy.
[46:05] Filling until it begins to overflow
[46:09] nourishing your heart again from within
[46:13] and nourishing your whole body from
[46:15] within.
[46:24] Feeling this cycle now of earth energy
[46:27] moving up through your body and
[46:29] overflowing
[46:30] nourishing you
[46:33] nourishing the space around you
[46:36] but what's really important is the
[46:38] center, your body and your auric field.
[46:42] That's where our attention needs to be.
[46:47] So saying your name silently into your
[46:51] bones, into your
[46:53] essence, into your
[46:55] auric field
[46:58] Feeling your own individual energy
[47:02] filling
[47:03] yourself so completely that there is no
[47:06] room for anything else that might be an
[47:09] influence that you've picked up on the
[47:11] way, but that isn't you,
[47:14] isn't appropriate for you, isn't your
[47:16] essence and your truth.
[47:20] You can delete it. You can ask it to be
[47:24] moved out. You can vacuum it out.
[47:27] Whatever visual helps, you can zap it
[47:29] with your magic wand, whatever you like.
[47:32] I like to just feel my own energy
[47:35] becoming so full that there's simply no
[47:38] space for anything and it's nudged out
[47:41] through the
[47:43] permeable
[47:45] edge of my auric field.
[47:48] So, now bringing your attention to that
[47:50] edge, just roughly arm's length out from
[47:53] your body and a similar distance
[47:54] overhead
[47:56] and below your feet.
[47:58] This space which is your space
[48:01] in which nobody else's energy belongs.
[48:06] So, you can ask it to be returned to the
[48:08] sender or however you like to reclaim
[48:12] that energy, that space for yourself.
[48:16] So, that your thoughts and your dreams
[48:19] and your visions
[48:21] are entirely yours.
[48:29] Anything that doesn't match your essence
[48:32] isn't invited to be gone.
[48:37] Saying your name again and calling
[48:40] yourself home if there's any parts of
[48:42] you that were left
[48:44] anywhere else.
[48:46] Perhaps thinking of somebody else who
[48:49] might be needing help.
[48:52] But your energy does belong with you.
[48:55] You can help them more by filling your
[48:58] own space with your essence
[49:02] and helping them through the wisdom that
[49:04] is enhanced by be
[49:08] being fully in your own essence in your
[49:10] space.
[49:15] Attending to that edge, that intelligent
[49:17] edge and asking it to
[49:20] keep out anything that's not in your
[49:22] highest and best good and only admit
[49:25] what is absolutely in your best
[49:28] interest.
[49:32] And then taking a moment to attend to
[49:34] your chakras,
[49:36] those seven beautiful
[49:38] energy centers, wheels of light that are
[49:42] nestled against your spine from the base
[49:44] of your spine up through the crown of
[49:46] your head.
[49:47] Feeling them in alignment, feeling them
[49:50] balanced,
[49:52] feeling them working together,
[49:54] each in its own domain,
[49:57] to keep you in the best possible state
[50:01] of balance.
[50:07] And once again feeling that flow of
[50:09] energy up from the earth
[50:12] like a toroidal field surrounding your
[50:14] body,
[50:18] nourishing and re-nourishing yourself.
[50:28] And then when you feel ready, bringing
[50:29] your attention back to your skin, maybe
[50:32] touching your skin,
[50:34] saying this is where I live.
[50:36] I am home.
[50:45] Just taking a moment to honor your own
[50:47] sacred dream, your sacred path,
[50:51] your beautiful essence,
[50:54] and your ancestors and helpers that are
[50:57] there always
[50:58] to guide and protect, only needing an
[51:01] invitation.
[51:06] Mhm. And then when you're ready,
[51:08] bringing your attention back into the
[51:10] room.
[51:12] Did that feel good?
[51:17] >> That was amazing and I don't know about
[51:20] anyone else, but I really needed that
[51:22] today.
[51:23] >> [laughter]
[51:25] >> I I did, too.
[51:29] >> I love that so much. So, for those who'd
[51:31] like to get in touch with Susan, the
[51:33] best way online is via her website
[51:36] phoenixsongenergetics.com.
[51:38] That's all one word,
[51:39] phoenixsongenergetics.
[51:42] And thank you so, so much Susan for
[51:44] being here with us today. Such a
[51:47] blessing and such an honor. I will
[51:49] definitely be going back to this
[51:50] recording to review several things that
[51:53] you taught us and so, so grateful to
[51:55] have you with us today.
[51:56] >> Thank you for the invitation.