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[0:01] we are live
[0:04] hello joanne i just have to start by
[0:06] saying i love you
[0:07] and i love you are like the most amazing
[0:10] fashion teacher i know
[0:12] so i'm kicking off my 200 hour teacher
[0:15] training program this weekend
[0:16] it uh people can jump in either january
[0:19] or february it's a bit of a flex
[0:21] start type of situation but you are
[0:24] coming in
[0:25] to introduce the 200-hour
[0:29] teacher trainees to the concept of
[0:31] fascia
[0:32] as a whole body system and i'm so
[0:35] excited to have you be the one to teach
[0:38] us the introduction to fascia the basics
[0:40] of fascia
[0:41] so we will talk about that for a bit
[0:45] why is that important well
[0:48] i would listen you and i could perhaps
[0:49] sit and talk about this for about a year
[0:52] um i'm i love your work too i mean
[0:55] like you we're both structural
[0:57] integrators we're both fascinated yoga
[0:59] teachers we're both very dedicated
[1:01] to an holistic approach to body mind and
[1:04] being
[1:05] absolutely and when we say being we go
[1:07] on to the being
[1:08] in the body the us that animates this
[1:12] stuff and as you know um
[1:16] you know it's it's been so great having
[1:17] you in you know and dundee and john
[1:19] sharky's
[1:20] uh dissections where we've
[1:23] come from this position not how can we
[1:27] break the body down
[1:28] and divide it into its individual
[1:31] bits nor even put them together as
[1:36] bands but how does it actually work
[1:39] as a whole yeah because as we both know
[1:42] when your yoga student comes into the
[1:45] classroom
[1:46] you can have learned everything you know
[1:48] about yoga and everything you know about
[1:50] anatomy and everything you know about
[1:52] life and so on and
[1:55] what actually takes place in the room
[1:59] is something other than that or as well
[2:02] as that
[2:03] or inclusive of that and there is
[2:05] something
[2:06] absolutely crucial in a yoga teaching
[2:09] context
[2:11] of making that environment safe
[2:14] or feeling safe in that environment as
[2:17] the teacher
[2:19] and instantly facilitating
[2:23] that sense of safety and that sense of
[2:26] wholeness and that sense of respectful
[2:30] interactive intercommunicating
[2:33] relationship
[2:35] that allows people to be present to be
[2:39] themselves the way they are i i know you
[2:41] agree with me i think that's an act of
[2:43] grace
[2:44] yes and i think we have to facilitate
[2:47] that in advance
[2:49] now the way we're usually trained
[2:52] that is largely considered to be very
[2:54] separate from anatomy
[2:56] here's the thing for me we learn
[2:59] anatomy in the intellectual domain
[3:03] we learn the names of the asana and the
[3:05] postures in the intellectual domain and
[3:07] if we learn them in sanskrit we have to
[3:09] remember them in the intellectual domain
[3:11] for sure when we are animating and
[3:15] practicing and experiencing and doing
[3:17] yoga
[3:19] we're in a completely different
[3:22] experience or atmosphere or time zone
[3:25] because we have to be present
[3:27] yeah it's experience we leave our minds
[3:29] outside and come in and bring our bodies
[3:31] in you know with our hearts
[3:33] with our kids or families or whatever
[3:35] the whole stick
[3:37] comes together and then we have
[3:40] that other thing that invisible
[3:45] sense of grace of beingness
[3:49] that comes with the whole show
[3:53] totally and for me the fascia
[3:57] is the unifying fabric of the form
[4:00] that plays a part in every one of those
[4:03] things
[4:04] absolutely and so when we first
[4:07] introduce it
[4:09] the first thing that happens you know
[4:11] this you've we've done how many courses
[4:13] now the first thing that happens
[4:15] is people start from the category of
[4:18] anatomical structures
[4:20] right so we start there and we look at
[4:22] the muscles and the bones because that's
[4:24] what's moving the
[4:25] movement apparatus the locomotor system
[4:28] totally where is it
[4:30] well then
[4:34] we get into what i call the domain of
[4:37] into intellectual
[4:41] factions those who believe those who
[4:43] don't believe
[4:45] and i just had one of my class
[4:46] participants telling me about a course
[4:48] they've just done
[4:49] where a professor of anatomy was telling
[4:52] them how they do categoric
[4:53] dissection to demonstrate movement
[4:56] through muscles attached to bones and of
[4:59] course
[5:00] bless her heart this participant had
[5:02] been in my course
[5:04] and she said what about the fascia and
[5:06] this professor said no no that's what we
[5:07] scrape out of the way
[5:09] in order to see what we need to
[5:11] understand about the local motor system
[5:13] yeah yeah exactly let's not make the
[5:15] professor wrong
[5:16] let's just say that what we're learning
[5:19] and we'll do this in the course
[5:20] is the history yeah
[5:23] that put off under a magic spell and it
[5:26] is a spell christine it's a spell
[5:28] yeah but we are collectively under
[5:31] the influence of that
[5:34] the removed tissue
[5:38] cogently explains
[5:44] through being removed how we move
[5:48] no no no sorry okay i have to jump in
[5:51] and say one little thing
[5:52] because i because you know often when i
[5:56] start with fascia
[5:57] it's like you know the question will be
[5:59] what is fascia
[6:00] and the answer is always it's connective
[6:02] tissue
[6:05] and i i kind of in a way don't like
[6:08] calling fascia connective tissue because
[6:12] because to me immediately it paints the
[6:15] picture that
[6:16] i am separate pieces and parts and
[6:18] here's a tissue that's going to stitch
[6:19] me together
[6:21] and what i'd rather paint is this idea
[6:23] that there's
[6:24] one thing that has multiple folds and
[6:28] turns
[6:29] and and spaces
[6:32] and but but it's all one thing that then
[6:36] individualizes and specializes out of
[6:39] that one thing
[6:40] so i don't know what let's start with
[6:43] like what is fascia
[6:46] fascia pascha is connective tissue but
[6:49] the
[6:49] thing that we start to bring in and
[6:51] we'll do this in the course we'll go
[6:53] with this very clearly so people are
[6:56] unequivocally clear about the the spell
[7:00] that we're all under this collective
[7:02] bell that this
[7:03] connecting tissue can be removed
[7:07] and leave us with the components of
[7:09] everything else because that's a myth as
[7:11] well
[7:11] yeah for sure let's imagine we had a
[7:14] house
[7:15] and we we can do this now in in our
[7:17] preparation bear in mind that
[7:19] you know the course takes the time it
[7:21] takes because it takes that time
[7:23] um i know i'm stating the obvious but
[7:25] it's a cohen in its own way
[7:27] if you had a house imagine you've got a
[7:28] house in front of you and it's built of
[7:30] bricks and cement
[7:33] you're almost saying well if i take the
[7:35] cement away i know the house will fall
[7:37] apart don't worry about that
[7:38] but the bricks are the components
[7:41] well fascia takes us one level below
[7:44] that
[7:44] in the sense of one of the original
[7:47] building materials of the whole house is
[7:49] sand
[7:51] and sand is treated a particular way to
[7:53] make cement it's treated a particular
[7:55] way to make it into bricks it's
[7:57] mixed with clay to make brick it's mixed
[8:00] with something else to make cement
[8:02] it's treated differently to make glass
[8:07] but sand stroke other components of
[8:10] earth
[8:11] beautiful other basic building materials
[8:14] from which we can man-make
[8:18] various things that we organize in a
[8:21] structure called a house in all sorts of
[8:23] ways
[8:24] now let's go back to fascia as an
[8:27] embryo we begin
[8:30] as a structure there's never nothing
[8:35] that you know we start as a conceptus
[8:38] and that fabric of that form is
[8:41] essentially fascia
[8:43] and then we start looking at its
[8:45] properties its characteristics its
[8:47] natures
[8:48] and what we're actually doing is getting
[8:50] underneath
[8:51] our school knowledge our
[8:54] you know i don't know what you have in
[8:56] the us but we have something called key
[8:57] stage learning
[8:58] and we have three four five six seven
[9:00] and so on up to
[9:01] grade eight nine somewhere like that you
[9:03] go to secondary school i don't know how
[9:05] it works in the states but it's very
[9:06] similar i'm sure
[9:07] and we all learn how muscles are
[9:09] attached to bones
[9:11] and they move the joints in certain ways
[9:13] and my mumma
[9:16] and it's not that we're coming opposite
[9:19] that with a new argument
[9:22] it's that we're saying yeah that that's
[9:24] true that all happens
[9:26] and what connects that and what
[9:29] disconnects that and what distinguishes
[9:32] that and what allows that to become
[9:35] is a precursor
[9:38] to muscle and a precursor to bone and a
[9:42] precursor to spatialization and
[9:45] specialization
[9:46] and what's starting to happen partly
[9:49] through the research and
[9:50] partly through the combined
[9:55] web being woven internationally by
[9:59] practitioners therapists researchers and
[10:02] scientists
[10:03] all around the world and it's it's great
[10:05] big huge
[10:06] as you know um is this
[10:10] web of recognition that
[10:14] the fascist of the human body is
[10:16] cellulose to a plant
[10:18] and all flowers and trees are made of
[10:20] the same basic material and
[10:21] we are all made of the same basic
[10:23] material and
[10:25] we're not quite the same as fauna and
[10:27] flora
[10:28] but the nature's principles
[10:32] are so closely connected and so
[10:35] economically
[10:36] designed that it's almost as if we can
[10:40] afford to rest
[10:42] a little in the man-made construct of
[10:46] constructing
[10:48] how we move we're actually being asked
[10:51] to dismantle that
[10:53] and restore our original faith in
[10:56] ourselves
[10:56] as beings before the history that took
[10:59] place that
[11:00] that separates us from that origin
[11:03] and that's what we start off with on on
[11:05] next sunday i'm so excited i can't wait
[11:07] because it's one of my favorite bits
[11:08] because leonardo da vinci's in it
[11:10] and um it's just the history
[11:13] that was us under this spell right i
[11:16] mean we don't even know who
[11:18] casters are yeah yeah yeah so the so the
[11:20] paradigm we're in now or the model
[11:23] we are i mean my son's just starting his
[11:27] massage therapy
[11:28] course in university right now right so
[11:30] the model that we have now
[11:33] human anatomy human physiology
[11:34] kinesiology
[11:36] is what you're going to take us through
[11:39] of
[11:39] how this model came to be
[11:42] in removing this tissue in order to
[11:45] reveal these pieces and parts and
[11:47] then go back and try to piece it all
[11:49] together to figure out how it works
[11:52] and you've got it i mean the whole thing
[11:56] christine we've worked together for ages
[11:57] and you know me
[11:58] i don't teach bits yeah the logic that
[12:02] means whatever bits you come across
[12:04] you can give comics too well and it's
[12:06] not to say that bits aren't important
[12:08] like the bits are hugely important it's
[12:10] just it's just this this 180 degree
[12:12] flip right like it's it it's seeing
[12:15] the continuity first or seeing the
[12:18] seamlessness or the oneness
[12:20] first and then seeing the folds and
[12:23] turns and specializations and
[12:24] individualization
[12:26] second then those bits and pieces and
[12:29] parts
[12:30] actually make more sense because they're
[12:32] out of
[12:33] the continuity rather than removed from
[12:36] it
[12:37] exactly and and we're not saying we're
[12:39] not making the parts from this is the
[12:40] thing
[12:41] i think we've been not making the parts
[12:42] wrong yeah we're not making the parts
[12:44] wrong
[12:45] we're making the significance of what
[12:48] joins those parts
[12:50] much harder yeah we're changing the
[12:52] perspective
[12:53] we're changing the proportional ratios
[12:56] with which we bestow
[12:57] what i call by emotional integrity or by
[12:59] emotional intelligence
[13:02] and this is really crucial because as a
[13:03] yoga teacher you are basically saying
[13:06] let's be frank yeah how can we have you
[13:08] feel better and move better that's what
[13:10] we're there for that's what we're doing
[13:11] that's what the yoga teacher is all
[13:12] about yeah you're not
[13:14] bringing enlightenment to the world and
[13:16] that might be a byproduct that's great
[13:17] but personally i don't want that
[13:19] responsibility i
[13:20] i think enlightenment is very personal
[13:21] journey i
[13:23] am assisting the people in my classroom
[13:25] to hopefully feel better
[13:27] and very definitely move better yeah
[13:29] whatever that is for them
[13:30] now i can't move as well as some of the
[13:32] people i teach i'm not saying it's about
[13:34] being as good as me
[13:36] what i'm saying is can we find a logic
[13:40] from which we can self-regulate
[13:44] self-organize and interact in our
[13:47] classrooms yeah such that we can help
[13:49] our students move better how can we do
[13:51] that safely and one of the ways of doing
[13:53] that safely
[13:55] is do your homework learn the parts but
[13:57] recognize the context in which those
[13:59] parts arise
[14:00] yeah and you know that by the end of
[14:03] this course what
[14:04] what we hope is that and i'm talking
[14:06] about the whole course
[14:07] yeah the whole 500 hours yeah the whole
[14:09] 500 hours is at the end of that 500
[14:11] hours people can look back
[14:14] and recognize the incremental stages
[14:16] they've made
[14:18] towards the difference by that time
[14:20] they've practiced and know they are
[14:22] making to the people they're working
[14:23] with
[14:23] yeah as well as themselves yeah and it's
[14:26] a self-regulating self-perpetuating web
[14:29] feedback hello what's this
[14:32] self-perpetuating weather feedback
[14:35] and it's you know it's it's it's so um i
[14:38] just want to give a really practical
[14:39] example too because
[14:40] when when i came to fascia it was
[14:44] it was a result of googling my symptoms
[14:48] and i couldn't walk i couldn't sit i
[14:51] couldn't move
[14:52] when i found fascia so i realized
[14:56] early on in my chronic pain journey
[14:59] that the fascia was part of my solution
[15:01] i just didn't understand why yet
[15:04] but fast forward five years and i
[15:07] am you know summiting mountains
[15:11] and i am i'm moving i'm sitting
[15:14] i'm all those things have been brought
[15:17] back to functional
[15:19] integrity through just studying fascia
[15:22] learning how to move learning micro
[15:24] movements learning how to collaborate
[15:26] with my nervous system
[15:28] learning how to be in healthy
[15:30] relationship with my body
[15:31] and all these things kind of happen as
[15:33] you go down this rabbit hole of the
[15:35] fascia
[15:36] paradigm you start to see the you start
[15:39] to see in oneness and wholeness and
[15:41] continuity and
[15:42] you know and everything is is about
[15:44] relationship
[15:45] and that's where it brought me so it's
[15:48] and other people
[15:49] will say the same who've taken the
[15:51] program that they were in chronic pain
[15:53] and now they're not so how does that
[15:55] happen it's this you know it's sometimes
[15:57] it's hard to bring it down to the
[15:59] practical
[16:00] levels but it really does inform the
[16:03] body
[16:04] how to move in a way that's
[16:07] that's appropriate for the individual
[16:12] for their way and recognize fascia types
[16:16] we recognize facial rules or laws
[16:20] of how the matrix works that
[16:24] evolve our previous thinking so we're
[16:27] not
[16:28] we're not saying well we are saying some
[16:30] things are wrong that's not true
[16:31] i mean like the idea that
[16:32] biomechanically we are a system of
[16:34] leaders
[16:36] that's just wrong yeah you like the tree
[16:38] is that believers
[16:40] it's not a system of believers no and
[16:43] and
[16:44] there are no levers in nonlinear
[16:45] biologic forms we know that but we get
[16:47] to that after a
[16:48] 100 hours or so and it's not a popular
[16:51] vote
[16:52] but it is a spell yeah because that
[16:55] literally the definition of a lever and
[16:57] the definition of a moving being
[16:58] are such that there can be no levers in
[17:01] non-linear biologic forms and by the
[17:02] fact that we're living
[17:03] we're non-linear we're just non-linear
[17:06] we abide by non-linear rules
[17:08] yeah and so that's a thing that's a
[17:11] great big huge thing
[17:12] and it's it's um it's interesting when
[17:15] you get down to something so
[17:17] physical and obvious and you've seen me
[17:19] on facebook arguing with people going
[17:22] prove it
[17:25] negative first of all science isn't
[17:27] about proof it's about questions
[17:29] there's a lot of resistance to it though
[17:31] there's a lot of resistance and science
[17:33] is about disproving and
[17:34] dr levin bless his heart has spent the
[17:36] last 40 years prove
[17:38] just trying to disprove biogen secretary
[17:40] another thing i know we haven't got to
[17:41] that yet
[17:41] but with fascia as far as bash is
[17:43] concerned the idea that all
[17:45] fascia does is connect the muscles to
[17:47] the bones so that they can move as
[17:48] levers
[17:49] is nonsense that's a spell and and i
[17:52] have to jump in and say
[17:53] you you this this piece of data may be
[17:55] wrong so correct me but
[17:56] um dr levin is in his 80's yes 87 or 8.
[18:00] yeah and is he still doing the one arm
[18:02] push-ups
[18:03] he's still doing one-on-push-ups last
[18:04] but not least i mean his whole
[18:06] embodiment
[18:08] is a living as an orthopedic surgeon he
[18:12] didn't get to pontificate about this
[18:13] stuff he got to do it
[18:15] yeah and that doesn't mean he you know
[18:17] you can't prove by one that's not it i
[18:19] mean we're talking about an
[18:20] international thing with top surgeons
[18:23] and researchers and scientists you know
[18:25] there's
[18:25] there's people gold research gold
[18:27] standard research
[18:29] involved in this you know i'm not
[18:31] sitting here making claims i just happen
[18:32] to be one of the storytellers who
[18:33] understands it and gets to
[18:35] um share it which is my passion yeah and
[18:38] i mean yeah the making claims thing i
[18:40] think
[18:40] you know that the the in in my program i
[18:42] do provide research i do provide papers
[18:45] because we are because we are going to
[18:46] go to our students and make claims so
[18:48] it's nice to have those
[18:49] papers on your laptop to say well here's
[18:51] here's a little bit of research on this
[18:53] and there's so much more that we don't
[18:55] know yet
[18:56] but aside from that part of it just
[18:59] experientially
[19:01] learning how to move in a way that's
[19:03] going to enhance
[19:05] whatever it is that you're already doing
[19:08] so for me it's enhanced
[19:09] the ability to climb mountains because
[19:12] i'm
[19:12] able to use my body as this whole
[19:15] system instead of thinking of isolating
[19:19] parts
[19:21] there's something that happens when you
[19:23] understand about insecurity and and
[19:26] moving from that from that attitude
[19:30] from that approach it has just you know
[19:33] it's a game changer
[19:34] for athletes and and even just not even
[19:37] for athletes but just for people that
[19:39] that's it what's so important about what
[19:42] you just said christine and it really is
[19:44] it's very important is that what it has
[19:47] what let me try again sorry
[19:51] what it takes for you to have what's
[19:53] needed for you to climb a mountain
[19:55] is very different to what it would take
[19:57] for me
[19:59] exactly so my thing was when i gave
[20:01] birth to my son i couldn't
[20:02] i couldn't lift the baby carrier you
[20:04] know that you'd lift to put in the car
[20:06] so that you could safely travel with
[20:08] them i couldn't lift it
[20:09] and i post parts and what i
[20:13] i couldn't even spell it and i wasn't a
[20:16] yoga teacher anything this is way back
[20:18] and i was i went to a physio and they
[20:21] put me
[20:22] on basically a rack they wrapped my hips
[20:24] with a band and wrapped my ribs with a
[20:26] band and then opened the table i was on
[20:28] to stretch
[20:29] my spine and i don't think i've ever
[20:31] been in such unholy pain in my entire
[20:33] life
[20:34] yeah yeah and then i thought hang on a
[20:35] second this is this is they used to hung
[20:37] drawn quarter people doing this
[20:40] what the hell is going on here
[20:43] and i say this often it was the grits
[20:46] that
[20:47] stuck in the throat of this oyster to
[20:49] turn into a pearl because
[20:50] i then went in search of a way
[20:54] of physically making this work so that i
[20:57] could lift things and
[20:58] that little baby is was 26 last week
[21:02] it's been my life's work since then
[21:05] is finding out what it takes for me
[21:09] to be able to lift something without
[21:11] hurting
[21:12] day to day and what it would take for me
[21:15] to climb
[21:16] that summit with you i'd love to my god
[21:19] next time i'm in canada i'm
[21:20] so in for that we're just we're taking
[21:23] you somewhere
[21:25] and but my practice will look very
[21:27] different to yours
[21:28] yeah for sure so what i'm saying that
[21:32] for
[21:32] is that learning about fashion and
[21:34] biotin secretive is not learning a set
[21:36] of rules that we then apply to everybody
[21:38] because we can
[21:39] yeah it is literally learning the
[21:42] language of
[21:43] fashion logical wisdom in the body yes
[21:46] that you can teach it to the people
[21:48] you're teaching
[21:49] yeah such that they can be awake to it
[21:52] because they're listening to their own
[21:53] instinct
[21:54] and that makes something that takes
[21:56] something more than information
[21:58] and it actually takes something more
[22:00] than performance it
[22:02] takes transformation yeah know how you
[22:05] work that's why we work together it's
[22:06] because what we're interested in
[22:08] is creating the facility in which people
[22:10] can transform themselves
[22:12] rather than giving them the information
[22:15] to go away and do what we told them to
[22:17] because that doesn't work yeah yeah it's
[22:19] really a perspective shift in the way
[22:21] that we approach movement
[22:24] and and so in that because we can't
[22:26] really give out rules because
[22:28] the this particular approach is an
[22:30] inside out approach
[22:31] the approach is we're giving students
[22:33] the ability to go inside their body
[22:35] and find their rules their set of rules
[22:38] that are appropriate for their body
[22:40] so in a way a little bit harder to teach
[22:42] but it's hard to teach but it's and it's
[22:44] not arbitrary
[22:45] i was having this discussion with john
[22:47] sharkey the other day because we were
[22:48] talking about how
[22:50] you know in a lot of the work about the
[22:51] fascia uh we talk about the fascia
[22:54] not only as being all pervasive in the
[22:57] body but being the largest sensory organ
[22:59] of the body which some people
[23:00] do to be complete nonsense but there's a
[23:02] lot of research that shows that it's
[23:04] you know serious research and um
[23:08] if the body is a sensory organ then it
[23:10] changes the way we see the nervous
[23:12] system if the fascia is a sensory organ
[23:14] it changes the way
[23:15] we see the nervous system but this is
[23:17] where i'm saying it's not arbitrary
[23:18] this is not about oh my fascia feels oh
[23:21] and it might be different from yours but
[23:22] i'm doing it anyway no no no no
[23:24] the body has systems the body has
[23:26] hierarchies the body has appropriate
[23:29] ways and what we teach people how to do
[23:32] is
[23:32] recognize what i call the archetypal
[23:35] movement signature
[23:37] that someone brings to the table now
[23:41] what i was saying with john you know if
[23:42] you
[23:44] sever the subcutaneous nerve the biceps
[23:46] isn't going to work
[23:48] right you can do what you like you know
[23:50] robert schneider's written articles
[23:51] saying
[23:52] that the the nervous system is not like
[23:54] a telephone cable wiring system
[23:56] no it may not be it may be something
[23:59] much more than that
[24:00] but it doesn't throw out the baby with
[24:02] the bath water by saying that fascia is
[24:04] the largest sensory organ of the body
[24:06] what it does
[24:06] is it changes how
[24:10] we describe and the language that we use
[24:13] to discuss the um
[24:17] structure of the nervous system or the
[24:19] effects of the nervous system
[24:21] and because you're so engaged in how
[24:24] we integrate and assist clients
[24:28] in working safely and and
[24:31] your work integrates with trauma yeah
[24:34] work
[24:35] this becomes really important because
[24:37] what it gives us is a completely
[24:38] different perspective on sensitivity
[24:41] yes oh my gosh yes and that's profound
[24:44] because in that moment
[24:46] you discover that the anatomy that you
[24:49] did
[24:49] separately is you know what on the yoga
[24:51] teach change that's 10
[24:53] well just get that out of the way learn
[24:54] the names of everything and get on with
[24:55] it
[24:56] okay here's here's the analogy it gives
[24:59] you the names of the parts
[25:01] but it doesn't tell you how they work
[25:04] and
[25:04] if these are watch parts you're no
[25:06] nearer telling the time
[25:08] right right right and in yoga we want
[25:12] all of that we want to know the names of
[25:13] the posters we want to be able to do the
[25:14] process we want to know the purpose of
[25:16] the postures but then we also want to
[25:17] just sit there and experience
[25:20] breathing from the physical body to
[25:22] enter what yoga calls the
[25:24] the energetic body or the vital energy
[25:26] body or the pranic body or the subtle
[25:28] body or whatever name
[25:30] you give whichever level how do we do it
[25:33] we do that through the breath well how
[25:34] does the breath work
[25:35] what's the common denominator to all of
[25:37] that
[25:38] and i think without going into any more
[25:41] detail that's the keystone to what we're
[25:44] saying the common denominator and what i
[25:45] love is
[25:47] it brings the anatomy and the philosophy
[25:50] and the lifestyle and the ethics and the
[25:52] practicum and the techniques
[25:55] together in a web and that is the key to
[25:59] for me in the value of of this work and
[26:03] i've been teaching it for a long time
[26:05] now and i
[26:07] i see this over and over again is people
[26:09] literally
[26:10] exhaling that they haven't got to learn
[26:12] a thousand separate names
[26:14] and then go out there into a wilderness
[26:16] and work out how to put those parts
[26:18] together
[26:18] they learn the wholeness and the why of
[26:21] that wholeness and the logic of that
[26:23] wholeness and then it can be expressed
[26:25] in any of the parts
[26:27] yeah this is so huge and and what you
[26:29] said a few minutes ago about sensitivity
[26:31] is
[26:32] it this is just so it's so huge
[26:35] because when when we're in a harsh
[26:39] environment and we're trying to pick up
[26:43] a instrument that's this sensitive
[26:46] it becomes very difficult to hear it
[26:48] with all that noise
[26:49] but when we can create an environment
[26:51] that is safe
[26:53] we we can get quiet enough
[26:56] to to really focus on this instrument
[27:00] that is like you talk about the um the
[27:03] finely tuned
[27:04] instrument that that we can hear
[27:07] through movement but that environment of
[27:09] safety
[27:10] is so relevant otherwise we'll just
[27:12] protect ourselves
[27:14] so tapping into something sensitive i
[27:16] think it's just
[27:18] it's so important to do that with that
[27:20] trauma informed
[27:21] that creating that environment of safety
[27:23] first
[27:25] not sure if that makes sense no it makes
[27:28] sense but it's it's got to
[27:29] i think it it works best when it's
[27:32] physically recognized
[27:34] emotionally recognized and it's in the
[27:36] atmosphere
[27:37] so the body the mind and the being are
[27:39] all congruent so it doesn't become
[27:41] separate things so you're learning your
[27:44] anatomy to make sense of the safety that
[27:46] you're creating for the nervous system
[27:48] of the being that's in the room
[27:49] right yeah we can learn polyvagal theory
[27:52] and trauma theory and have a sense of
[27:54] how all of that
[27:54] works but it's more about the experience
[27:57] at the end of the day
[27:58] of being able to drop in and what has
[28:02] father to do with the vagus nerve
[28:03] loads so it's like you know what i'm
[28:06] saying we weave
[28:07] quite but that doesn't mean that it's a
[28:09] complex picture
[28:11] i think um the magic is staying
[28:14] respectful that you're learning new
[28:16] basics
[28:17] i i'm very respectful my basics are
[28:19] expanding every day
[28:21] and it's that we
[28:24] we take those basics and then we feel
[28:26] safe asking our questions and then we
[28:28] can manage our curiosity and i think
[28:30] that's the most precious gift of any
[28:32] yoga class is that each day we bring
[28:34] ourselves new to the mat
[28:36] and ask how how are you ask yourself how
[28:39] are you
[28:40] be the witness which is what of course
[28:41] we're learning in yoga is to witness and
[28:43] observe
[28:44] how am i today and you could say how is
[28:47] my fascial matrix or how is my
[28:49] biotensegril
[28:51] intelligence or how is my biceps
[28:54] you could you know i mean you can see it
[28:56] through whatever
[28:57] window or lens you want to see it
[28:59] through but
[29:01] what the fascia somehow does for me it's
[29:03] very much
[29:04] an interface
[29:07] of what we call the
[29:11] spiritual and energetic invisible aspect
[29:13] of animation
[29:15] and the form that we animate to express
[29:18] that
[29:19] yeah i mean even on the symbolic level
[29:21] it's like
[29:22] it's it's like the the non-dual tissue
[29:24] of the body
[29:25] so even just like when we go into
[29:28] spirituality and we go into
[29:30] what it's like to abide in the non-dual
[29:32] state and then we look at
[29:34] fascia as like a an actual physical
[29:36] manifestation of that
[29:38] it's just symbolically it's not bones
[29:42] and muscles it but
[29:43] it's it's they're called the cinderella
[29:44] tissue of orthopedics robert's like
[29:47] the stekko's book it it's it is it's
[29:50] you know i this is what i wrote in my
[29:52] book that the the the muscles and bones
[29:55] don't get to do a damn thing
[29:57] without cinderella holding them together
[29:59] and keeping their act together
[30:01] and it's that it's a triumvirate and
[30:03] it's a it's it's
[30:04] the holy trinity of the body and it but
[30:07] it doesn't work on its own
[30:08] it doesn't work without the other two
[30:09] and the other two don't work without it
[30:11] yeah and the relationship gives us a
[30:13] holy trinity yeah literally and and
[30:15] after all that's what yoga's about right
[30:17] eat up in gala and when they're in
[30:18] balance
[30:19] the balance of shashana rising
[30:22] is a neutral expression of balance it's
[30:24] not an
[30:25] in order to it's not when she's right
[30:27] and he's right then
[30:29] they can be friends it doesn't work like
[30:31] that it's it's already
[30:33] a thing that when balance creates
[30:36] a third thing that is the balanced
[30:39] unification
[30:40] of that form and that is yoga
[30:44] that is yoga it means unifying
[30:47] beautiful you said something really
[30:49] important a few minutes ago that
[30:51] i think it's just worth highlighting
[30:54] that
[30:55] when you're safe enough you can get
[30:57] curious
[31:00] and i think that is so important
[31:03] that we are that we have the ability to
[31:06] arrive in a state of being where we can
[31:08] get curious and and and
[31:11] and experience the tissue experience the
[31:14] nervous system
[31:15] experience my state of being and then
[31:18] move
[31:19] from that state of being and experience
[31:21] movement in that way
[31:23] so without knowing what it is i'm not
[31:26] you know this it's
[31:27] exactly that but and it's not an
[31:28] intellectual process so i'm really
[31:30] hoping
[31:31] in the teacher training that we could
[31:33] bring people
[31:34] aware i'm not saying don't study it
[31:37] intellectually of course and we'll give
[31:38] you all the information you need yeah
[31:40] it's both and
[31:40] yeah it's it's it's it's how does it how
[31:44] do we experience it distinct from
[31:46] understanding it naming it and
[31:48] and analyzing it how do we experience it
[31:52] right now right now yeah and
[31:55] what are the cumulative effects of that
[31:57] experience
[32:00] um over time and at the end of 500 hours
[32:04] you'll be a yoga teacher so you'll know
[32:09] and and it brings you to embodiment you
[32:11] know and that's where
[32:13] that's where we get to have the
[32:15] experience of just really living in a
[32:17] body
[32:18] and and and moving from presence and
[32:21] it's so powerful
[32:22] to be able to do that
[32:26] i'm so glad you're joining us it's an
[32:28] honor to have you as a member of our
[32:30] faculty
[32:32] it's an honor to be there thank you
[32:34] christine i really appreciate you asking
[32:36] me
[32:36] whenever you did it's great and it's so
[32:39] nice to be doing the whole
[32:40] group from the beginning yes
[32:44] i'm gonna be i know i you know how
[32:46] emotional i get i love it that i can
[32:49] i don't mean i'm emotional in my
[32:50] teaching i mean you know how i get kind
[32:51] of
[32:52] attached to yeah i know right like the
[32:56] 300 hours that just graduated are like
[32:58] you know they're like our little
[33:01] outfit
[33:05] i know it's like i watch you on facebook
[33:07] with cody
[33:09] and i cause i lost my dog last year and
[33:11] i just can't even tell you how much i
[33:13] miss her
[33:14] and and i just look at that's not
[33:16] anything too it's just that i'm sitting
[33:17] there thinking what is this
[33:19] emotional detachment thing i mean what
[33:21] am i a jedi
[33:23] give me a break i care and
[33:26] you know it's like part of it and you
[33:28] can't help it because you do care that
[33:30] people get it but you care
[33:31] yeah for sure well their highest good
[33:34] not like i want you to get it my way
[33:36] because i said that it's not possessive
[33:38] caring
[33:38] it's a very good to be well it's like
[33:41] it's like this desire for others to be
[33:43] well yeah
[33:45] yeah so so you're kicking us off on
[33:49] on the whole topic of fascia and
[33:51] eventually we'll get to biotensegrity
[33:53] but we'll start with fascia
[33:55] on sunday and then in the 300 hour we'll
[33:59] get into
[34:01] biotensegrity which is kind of like
[34:04] a level up
[34:08] so exciting so i just see the shelves
[34:11] behind me but there's
[34:12] this wall to wall by it and think well
[34:14] 10 seconds
[34:15] so it's like uh yeah i just i redid my
[34:18] living room so i've got a set of shelves
[34:20] with all my integrity toys on them
[34:22] because i couldn't bear them being away
[34:23] in boxes
[34:24] and um it's like it's like a
[34:27] i don't know i don't know what it is
[34:29] it's like a what it's like a thing
[34:31] it's a passion but it comes from
[34:33] leonardo da vinci i originally started
[34:35] as an artist
[34:36] and my training in art and art history
[34:38] took me to leonardo da vinci and
[34:41] i've never ever stopped being in love
[34:43] with his work
[34:45] and it's there's so much more to it oh
[34:48] my god there's so much to it well and
[34:51] like from a hakomi point of view too as
[34:53] the like the somatic trauma therapy that
[34:55] i do it's all about
[34:56] it's all about holding conflicting
[34:59] thoughts or conflicting emotions
[35:02] in this space of loving presence at the
[35:04] same time
[35:05] and when i started learning
[35:07] biotensegrity i was like oh this is so
[35:09] cool i'm doing like emotional tensegrity
[35:11] work with people
[35:14] it's it's and it's kind of like what
[35:16] john says about you know looking at the
[35:18] parallels
[35:18] of these principles are everywhere on
[35:21] every level throughout
[35:22] all of nature so of course it's there on
[35:25] the emotional level too
[35:26] and the mental level too and the
[35:28] physical level too
[35:30] so cool all right my darling well i have
[35:33] to go
[35:34] and i love you and i can't wait to work
[35:36] with you and i'll see you on sunday
[35:37] i will see you on sunday i'm so excited
[35:40] all right
[35:41] good luck bye