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Inspiration

Brahman and the Divine Mother: Ramakrishna's Teaching

RM
Ramakrishna Monastery
Oct 19, 2026
9 min de lectura

De Ramakrishna Monastery

Ver · 7

On a Sunday morning in Trabuco Canyon, California, a congregation at the Ramakrishna Monastery heard a verse of salutation to Mother Durga, the consort of Shiva, who "gives refuge" and "carries us across this ocean of samsara," before the speaker had said a word of his own. The lecture, given on October 18, 2026 by Swami Jnanasudhananda, fell on the first day of the Durga Puja worship as the speaker described it: a four-day annual observance that ends with the image being immersed in water. What followed was a careful, often funny, and deeply philosophical case that the Divine Mother is not a secondary devotion sitting beside the high truths of Vedanta, but the way those truths become livable. The talk is built on one claim: that Brahman and Shakti are not two realities, and that Sri Ramakrishna went further than philosophy allowed, to a relationship with the Mother that was intimate, argumentative, and personal.

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Why does the Divine Mother appear in so many forms?

The speaker began with practical orientation. The Mother is worshipped as Kali, Lakshmi, Saraswati, Parvati, Chamundi, Jagaddhatri, Annapurna, and more. Jnanasudhananda, who said he had come to the United States from Belur Math in June 2025, offered a cautious count: "probably there's more than 100 forms of divine Mother." The forms differ, but he argued that "the basic philosophy behind these deities and the devotional attitudes towards them is more or less the same."

That shared philosophy starts with Advaita Vedanta, the non-dual school. In its framing, Brahman alone is the absolute reality, "beyond name, form, thought, and all distinctions," described in Sanskrit as Satchidananda: pure being, consciousness, and bliss. Everything else, including gods, goddesses, and incarnations, belongs to what the school calls empirical reality. The world we see is real in a practical sense but not absolutely real. For many listeners this is the familiar edge of Vedanta, the point where the Divine Mother could seem like a concession to human emotion.

The lecture's first move was to show why Sri Ramakrishna did not stop there.

What is Shakti, and how is it different from Brahman?

Ramakrishna, as the speaker presented him, fully affirmed the non-dual nature of Brahman. But he insisted that Brahman and Shakti are inseparable. Shakti means power, capacity, or potency: the power by which the absolute manifests, sustains, and withdraws the universe. Jnanasudhananda described the shift in perspective this way. When the ultimate reality is considered without reference to the world, it is called Brahman. When the same reality is considered as the source and sustainer of the world, it is called Shakti.

The distinction is conceptual, not a split in the thing itself. To make this concrete, the speaker turned to two images Ramakrishna used. The first was fire and its burning power.

"Just as fire cannot be separated from the burning power, Brahman cannot be thought as separate or apart from the power by which this universe appears." — Swami Jnanasudhananda, Ramakrishna Monastery lecture, about 9:00

The second image was more unsettling, and more useful for a mind trying to hold two things at once: a snake and its wriggling movement. There is no snake that is not moving, and no movement that is not the snake. We name them separately because our minds need handles. As the speaker summarized Ramakrishna's conclusion:

"Brahman cannot be conceived as devoid of Shakti, nor Shakti apart from Brahman. We give two names to the reality because we approach it from two standpoints, but the reality itself is one." — Swami Jnanasudhananda, quoting Sri Ramakrishna, about 10:00

This is the working idea of the whole lecture. The Mother is not a figure who stands outside the Absolute and begs it for favors. She is the Absolute as it appears in action: the energy that creates, holds, and dissolves everything we experience.

How did an argument with Hazra become a lesson about the Mother?

The speaker knew his audience had read the Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna, and he leaned on a character many listeners would remember with a grin: Hazra, whose stubbornness, self-importance, and habit of arguing supply much of the Gospel's comedy. The lecture's laughter came from this story, and it was the most human part of the talk.

Hazra had listened to an account of the life of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu and announced that everything seen in Chaitanya's life was the play of Shakti, while Brahman had nothing to do with it. The position sharply contradicted Ramakrishna's teaching. Ramakrishna tried to make him understand. Hazra would not listen. The speaker's account of what happened next is the emotional hinge of the story: Ramakrishna, troubled, prayed to the Mother. In the speaker's paraphrase, the prayer was direct: either give Hazra the right understanding, or take him away from this place.

The next day Hazra came back and said he agreed. He had accepted that Vibhu, the all-pervading spirit, exists everywhere. The speaker noted that Bhavanath, one of the devotees, was astonished that Ramakrishna had taken Hazra's words so seriously. Why not simply ignore him, or try again to persuade him? Ramakrishna's reply, as Jnanasudhananda related it, was that he was now in a different, more spiritual mood and could no longer get into arguments with anybody.

The point is not that a monk won a debate by prayer. The story shows where Ramakrishna located the Mother: not only in the cosmic principle of Shakti, but in the living relationship between a devotee and what he is trying to understand. Philosophy, in this telling, is what happens when someone asks the Mother to settle a question.

Why is God described as a mother at all?

The lecture moved from the philosophical to the devotional. Jnanasudhananda raised a question many listeners bring to Hinduism from outside: why the motherhood of God is emphasized. A traditional answer can say God is infinite, omniscient, and beyond all description. The question the speaker wanted to hold open was why, in addition to these abstractions, the tradition keeps returning to an image of the Divine as mother. The second part of the talk, which he announced as an analysis of the "dreadful aspect" of the Divine Mother, was where that question was meant to be tested, because a mother is not only the one who comforts. She is also the one who destroys what she has made.

In that section the lecture reached for Swami Vivekananda, who, the speaker said, "used to say that Mother" (the transcript cuts off here) and for a story in which a monk, a promise, and a visitation of famine and sickness meet. The fragments available for this article do not allow a full retelling, and the speaker's larger argument in this section should be heard in full rather than reconstructed. What the excerpt does make clear is his method: he does not let the Mother become sentimental. He insists she includes terror, and that devotion has to reckon with it.

What did Ramakrishna's relationship with the Mother look like?

The lecture's third part, which the speaker introduced as Ramakrishna's "intimate relationship with the divine Mother," is where the talk's architecture becomes clear. The philosophy of Brahman and Shakti is the map. The relationship is the territory. In the speaker's account, Ramakrishna did not speak about the Mother only as an abstraction. He spoke to her, argued with her, prayed to her, and reported what she told him. In the relayed words, "my mother is Brahmamayi": the Mother who is made of Brahman, or whose substance is the Absolute.

This is the detail that makes the talk more than a lecture on comparative philosophy. Jnanasudhananda's argument is that the non-dual insight and the intensely personal devotion are not in competition. Ramakrishna's intimacy with the Mother is the form in which the non-dual insight was lived. Understanding that Brahman and Shakti are one does not remove the need for prayer; it changes what prayer is for.

Why does Durga Puja matter for this teaching?

It is worth noting how the talk began and why. The speaker described the Durga Puja worship in terms that are both ritual and communal. A traditional worship lasts four days. Devotees at his Santa Barbara Vedanta temple had held a briefer worship the previous day. Many were doing extra japa of Durga's name, Jai Shri Durga, from October 10 through October 20. Devotees pledged daily counts through a Google Form, and the counts were kept across the ten days the tradition considers especially auspicious. The annual worship, in other words, is not an occasion for theology alone. It is a practice of repetition, commitment, and collective attention. The lecture's philosophy was meant to give that practice its reasons.

Where to go from here

This excerpt covers the lecture's opening and first major argument: that Brahman and Shakti are one reality seen from two standpoints, that Ramakrishna insisted on this against the stubbornness of Hazra, and that the Mother is the Absolute in action rather than a figure beside it. The later parts, on the Mother's dreadful aspect and on Ramakrishna's intimate relationship with her, are where the speaker takes the argument into its hardest territory, and they deserve a full hearing rather than a summary.

To hear the complete lecture, visit the Ramakrishna Monastery website at ramakrishnamonastery.org. The Vedanta Society of Southern California, which the monastery is a branch of, publishes information about its Trabuco Canyon programs at vedanta.org/trabuco-canyon-monastery. Read the Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna alongside the talk, especially the Hazra episodes, and notice how often the lesson arrives through a joke, a prayer, or an argument that somebody did not win.

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[0:01] [music]

[0:05] [music]

[0:14] [music]

[0:44] >> I offer my devoted salutations to Mother

[0:47] Durga

[0:48] who gives refuge,

[0:51] who is the consort of Shiva,

[0:54] who is compassionate towards us,

[0:56] who pervades the whole universe,

[0:59] whose form is the universe itself,

[1:03] whose lotus feet are adored by the whole

[1:06] world,

[1:07] and who carries us across this ocean of

[1:10] samsara.

[1:13] May Mother Durga protect us.

[1:19] Good morning everyone.

[1:23] >> [clears throat]

[1:24] >> Thank you Swami Parameshananda for

[1:26] introducing me.

[1:28] In fact,

[1:29] >> [clears throat]

[1:30] >> this was the second time I was

[1:31] introduced from this platform.

[1:34] So,

[1:35] I came here here I mean to this country

[1:39] in June 2025

[1:42] from India, that is from Belur Math.

[1:46] And

[1:48] I came to Trabuco for the July 4th

[1:51] celebration

[1:52] last year, 2025. And at that time, uh

[1:56] Swami Sarvadevananda, who is the

[1:58] minister of uh Vedanta Society of

[2:00] Southern California.

[2:02] He introduced me here um

[2:04] on that day.

[2:06] And I also spoke uh for a few minutes on

[2:09] that day.

[2:10] But after that, uh I did not get a

[2:12] chance to

[2:14] uh

[2:15] speak from this platform. So, I'm very

[2:18] glad uh to be here with you all.

[2:22] Uh according to our Hindu calendar,

[2:26] today is a very auspicious day.

[2:30] Those who perform Durga Puja in an image

[2:34] following all the

[2:36] uh scriptural injunctions,

[2:39] they begin their worship today.

[2:42] And the worship will continue for next 2

[2:46] days.

[2:47] And on the third day,

[2:49] the image will be immersed in water,

[2:53] maybe in in a lake or a river.

[2:59] That marks the conclusion of the this

[3:01] 4-day long annual worship of the divine

[3:04] mother Durga.

[3:06] So, this worship is one of the biggest

[3:10] festival of the year for the Bengali

[3:12] community

[3:13] uh wherever they are. So, they

[3:17] they perform this uh

[3:18] worship uh this annual Durga Puja.

[3:22] We worship Durga uh yesterday

[3:25] uh in our Vedanta temple in Santa

[3:27] Barbara.

[3:28] Uh we had a very nice worship. Uh many

[3:31] devotees came.

[3:33] It was a brief worship, of course,

[3:35] compared to the traditional 4-day

[3:37] worship. It was uh brief.

[3:39] And many of our devotees, they are also

[3:43] doing extra japa of Durga's name,

[3:47] uh

[3:48] Jai Shri Durga. So, this japa started on

[3:52] uh the 10th of this month and it will

[3:55] continue till the October 20th.

[4:01] Some of you also may be doing that extra

[4:03] Japa.

[4:06] They pledge. So, we circulate

[4:11] Google Form and they pledge how many how

[4:14] much Japa they will do each day.

[4:17] And accordingly they do that that much

[4:19] of Japa on all these 10 days which are

[4:22] considered very auspicious.

[4:24] >> [clears throat]

[4:25] >> So, this entire period, since it is

[4:28] devoted to Mother Durga and

[4:32] I decided to speak on our divine Mother

[4:36] uh this day.

[4:39] My talk today will have three parts.

[4:43] In the first part, I will discuss

[4:46] Sri Ramakrishna's teaching that Brahman

[4:50] and divine Mother are one and the

[4:53] one and the same.

[4:55] In the second part, we will analyze the

[4:59] the dreadful aspect of the divine

[5:01] Mother.

[5:03] In the last part,

[5:05] we'll focus on Sri Ramakrishna's

[5:08] intimate relationship with the divine

[5:11] Mother

[5:12] and the conclusion that we can draw from

[5:15] it.

[5:17] Mother Durga is one of the many forms of

[5:21] the divine Mother.

[5:24] The divine Mother is worshipped in many

[5:27] forms

[5:28] such as Kali,

[5:30] Lakshmi, Saraswati, Parvati,

[5:34] Chamundi, Jagaddhatri,

[5:39] Annapurna, so many forms.

[5:41] Uh

[5:42] probably there's more than 100 forms of

[5:46] divine Mother.

[5:48] But the basic philosophy behind these

[5:51] deities and the devotional attitudes

[5:54] towards them is more or less the same.

[5:58] Now, who is this divine mother?

[6:02] What is her place in our religion and

[6:05] philosophy?

[6:07] Let us begin with the Advaita Vedanta,

[6:11] the monistic tradition of the Vedanta,

[6:15] the monistic school. I'm sure you have

[6:18] heard many, many talks from this

[6:20] platform on Advaita Vedanta.

[6:24] According to this school,

[6:27] Brahman alone is the absolute reality.

[6:33] It is beyond name, form,

[6:36] thought, and all distinctions.

[6:39] It is

[6:40] pure being,

[6:43] consciousness,

[6:45] and bliss infinite,

[6:48] or Satchidananda,

[6:51] as it is called in Sanskrit.

[6:54] This entire world of phenomena,

[6:58] including all gods and goddesses,

[7:01] incarnations,

[7:03] everything belongs to empirical reality,

[7:06] according to this school.

[7:08] So, therefore,

[7:10] this this phenomenon of world is not

[7:14] absolutely real.

[7:18] But Sri Ramakrishna

[7:20] offers a

[7:22] a further way to understand the

[7:25] relationship between the absolute and

[7:28] this universe.

[7:32] He, of course, fully affirms the

[7:36] non-dual nature of Brahman,

[7:39] but he emphasizes that Brahman and

[7:44] Shakti are inseparable.

[7:48] Shakti means power,

[7:51] capacity, or potency.

[7:55] It is the power of Brahman to manifest,

[7:59] sustain, and withdraw this universe.

[8:06] In Sri Ramakrishna's words,

[8:08] when

[8:11] we look at Brahman, the ultimate

[8:13] reality, as the source, sustainer, and

[8:17] manifestation of this universe, we call

[8:20] it Shakti,

[8:22] the divine power.

[8:25] Through this power, the entire world

[8:28] comes into manifestation,

[8:30] including the nature, life, mind,

[8:35] thought,

[8:37] and everything else you can think of.

[8:39] Everything is manifestation

[8:41] through of this power, Shakti.

[8:45] But as I said,

[8:47] Brahman and Shakti are not two

[8:50] independent realities.

[8:53] They are the same reality viewed in two

[8:57] ways.

[8:59] Sri Ramakrishna gives the example of

[9:02] fire and its burning power.

[9:06] Just as fire cannot be separated from

[9:09] the burning power,

[9:12] Brahman cannot be thought as separate or

[9:16] apart from the power

[9:18] by which this universe appears.

[9:24] Just as fire and its burning power are

[9:27] not separate entities,

[9:30] just for our

[9:32] purpose of discussion, we gave them two

[9:35] different names, fire and burning power.

[9:39] But they are the same. Sri Ramakrishna

[9:41] gives another example.

[9:44] He says,

[9:45] "It is like snake and its wriggling

[9:48] movement.

[9:49] They are one.

[9:52] Snake and its the

[9:54] and its movement there are not two

[9:56] different things. There's something like

[9:58] snake and its movement.

[10:01] The distinction we make is only

[10:03] conceptual.

[10:06] Similarly, Sri Ramakrishna says this,

[10:08] Brahman and Shakti are one reality.

[10:13] When we consider the absolute without

[10:16] reference to this manifestation, we call

[10:19] it Brahman.

[10:21] When the same absolute is thought of as

[10:24] the power by which the universe is

[10:26] manifested, sustained, and withdrawn, we

[10:30] call it Shakti.

[10:33] Brahman cannot be conceived

[10:36] as devoid of Shakti,

[10:38] nor Shakti apart from Brahman.

[10:43] We give

[10:45] two names to the reality because we

[10:47] approach it from two standpoints, but

[10:50] the reality itself is one.

[10:53] In the Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna,

[10:56] we find an amusing um incident regarding

[11:00] this teaching.

[11:01] So,

[11:03] uh

[11:04] I'm sure you all have read, if not the

[11:07] entire, at least a portion of the

[11:09] Gospel, and you remember uh the

[11:11] character Hazra.

[11:14] So, uh

[11:16] whose stubbornness,

[11:18] self-importance,

[11:20] and constant arguing creates humorous

[11:23] situations in the Gospel. And at the

[11:25] same time,

[11:28] it brings out Sri Ramakrishna's wisdom

[11:30] and his playful side.

[11:34] This Hazra was one day

[11:37] uh listening to an account of the life

[11:40] of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu.

[11:43] Okay.

[11:44] And after listening, he told Sri

[11:46] Ramakrishna that see whatever we see in

[11:50] this Chaitanya's life, it is all the

[11:54] play of Shakti.

[11:56] Whereas Brahman has nothing to do with

[11:59] this.

[12:00] >> [laughter]

[12:01] >> Okay. So this was his

[12:03] stand.

[12:04] This of course this sharply contradicted

[12:07] Sri Ramakrishna's teaching.

[12:10] Sri Ramakrishna

[12:12] >> [clears throat]

[12:12] >> tried to make him understand, but this

[12:14] Hazra would not listen.

[12:16] And Sri Ramakrishna was so troubled by

[12:19] this attitude of Hazra that he prayed to

[12:22] divine mother.

[12:24] Mother, Hazra tries to upset the belief

[12:27] of this place, meaning himself.

[12:30] Either give him the right understanding

[12:33] or take him away from this place.

[12:37] Okay. And surprisingly, the very next

[12:40] day this Hazra came around. And he went

[12:44] to Sri Ramakrishna and told him,

[12:47] "I agree with you.

[12:48] Uh

[12:49] Vibhu Vibhu means the

[12:52] the all-pervading spirit. Vibhu exists

[12:55] everywhere. So this

[12:59] Hazra accepted.

[13:02] So when Sri Ramakrishna told this

[13:05] to his devotees, there was one

[13:07] Bhavanath. So Bhavanath was very much

[13:11] surprised. "Why is Sri Ramakrishna is

[13:13] taking the words of this Hazra so

[13:16] seriously?" So he asked Sri Ramakrishna,

[13:19] "Why were you so much troubled by these

[13:22] words of Hazra? You could have simply

[13:24] ignored him.

[13:26] Um or you could have tried to make him

[13:29] understand.

[13:30] So, So, Sri Ramakrishna tells that

[13:34] "See, nowadays, I am in a different more

[13:37] spiritual mood. And I can no longer get

[13:40] into arguments with anybody."

[13:43] >> [clears throat]

[13:43] >> So, that was Sri Ramakrishna's reply.

[13:46] Anyway,

[13:48] coming back to our subject, Sri

[13:50] Ramakrishna stressed that this Brahman

[13:53] and Shakti are

[13:55] one and the same.

[13:58] He did not stop there. He went further.

[14:02] See, philosophically, we can speak of

[14:05] Shakti.

[14:06] But spiritually,

[14:08] Sri Ramakrishna

[14:11] experienced Shakti as

[14:14] a living divine person,

[14:18] as divine mother,

[14:20] or Ma,

[14:22] as he would call her.

[14:25] And of all the different forms of the

[14:28] divine mother, Sri Ramakrishna

[14:32] was devoted to

[14:35] Kali. He adored Kali most.

[14:39] And for him, this Kali and Brahman

[14:44] were not two different.

[14:48] Brahman

[14:49] experienced in personal form was Kali.

[14:55] And he says, "My divine mother is the

[14:58] primal energy, the power of Brahman.

[15:05] That which has form,

[15:08] Kali obviously has a form,

[15:12] that again is without form.

[15:16] And that which has attributes,

[15:18] again has no attributes.

[15:22] So, he made no distinction between Kali

[15:26] and the absolute Brahman.

[15:31] Calling God Mother expresses something

[15:36] that the abstract term Brahman doesn't

[15:38] immediately convey.

[15:42] So, this idea he expressed in his famous

[15:46] statement in Bengali.

[15:49] Jini Brahma

[15:51] tini shakti tini ma.

[15:55] It means

[15:56] he who is Brahman

[15:59] is also shakti.

[16:01] He himself is the mother.

[16:05] This teaching

[16:07] is

[16:08] one of the most profound ideas in his

[16:12] entire

[16:14] uh

[16:16] collection of teachings in his gospel.

[16:19] It is repeated many times in that book.

[16:23] The Brahman the Jnani realizes

[16:27] the worshiper of uh

[16:29] the follower of the path of knowledge

[16:32] and the shakti the tantric worshiper

[16:35] adores

[16:37] and the mother

[16:39] the devotee loves

[16:41] are ultimately one reality.

[16:46] Shakti

[16:47] is that same reality understood as the

[16:50] power of manifestation

[16:52] and mother is the same reality

[16:55] encountered in a relationship of love.

[16:59] So, mother

[17:01] is none other than Brahman.

[17:05] And Sri Ramakrishna therefore used to

[17:07] say

[17:08] my mother is Brahmamayi.

[17:11] Mean meaning she who is the embodiment

[17:15] of Brahman.

[17:18] Sri Ramakrishna also said that this

[17:21] symbolism

[17:23] uh this this idea is pointed

[17:26] is represented in the symbolism of Kali.

[17:30] See, Kali

[17:32] stands on the bosom of Shiva

[17:35] who is lying on the ground like a

[17:38] corpse.

[17:40] Here, Shiva represents the actionless,

[17:44] attributeless Brahman.

[17:46] Whereas Kali represents the Shakti

[17:50] engaged in

[17:52] creation, preservation, and dissolution.

[17:57] See, this idea of this great synthesis,

[18:01] Sri Ramakrishna did not arrive

[18:05] just by philosophizing, okay? He

[18:10] He realized the truth of this teaching

[18:13] directly.

[18:17] We know that after he was appointed as

[18:20] the priest of the Kali temple in

[18:22] Dakshineswar and he began worshipping

[18:24] Kali,

[18:26] he gave his heart and soul

[18:28] to strive for the vision of the divine

[18:31] mother.

[18:33] Soon he had the vision of the mother

[18:36] and subsequently attained a state in

[18:38] which the divine mother became a living

[18:41] reality to him.

[18:44] Then came Totapuri, the teacher of

[18:48] Advaita Vedanta.

[18:50] He wanted to teach Sri Ramakrishna in

[18:54] Advaita Vedanta.

[18:55] And when he suggested this to Sri

[18:58] Ramakrishna,

[18:59] what did Sri Ramakrishna say? He said,

[19:03] "I don't know anything about it. My

[19:05] mother knows. If she permits, I can

[19:10] get initiated by you and follow your

[19:15] teaching.

[19:16] So, Totapuri said, "All right, you go

[19:18] and ask your mother." So, Totapuri

[19:21] he assumed Totapuri assumed that Sri

[19:23] Ramakrishna was referring to his

[19:25] mother, biological mother.

[19:28] But, what did Sri Ramakrishna do? Sri

[19:30] Ramakrishna just went straight to the

[19:32] temple.

[19:34] There he asked Mother Kali.

[19:37] And Mother Kali gave him the permission.

[19:40] And he came to Totapuri and said, "Yes,

[19:43] I have I have permission now.

[19:45] I will do as you

[19:47] wish me do."

[19:49] So, even when this Advaita Vedanta came

[19:53] knocking at his door, Sri Ramakrishna

[19:55] said that I must ask my mother.

[20:00] And then after following Totapuri's

[20:02] instructions, he realized the absolute

[20:05] and

[20:06] merged in Nirvikalpa Samadhi.

[20:09] But, after coming back from Nirvikalpa

[20:11] Samadhi, he continued his

[20:15] loving relationship with Divine Mother.

[20:19] So, this shows that Brahman and Kali

[20:22] were never

[20:24] two competing

[20:26] conceptions for Sri Ramakrishna.

[20:30] And

[20:31] this Divine Mother was more real to him

[20:36] than his earthly mother.

[20:39] He spoke to her, consulted her,

[20:42] complained to her,

[20:44] and surrendered everything to her.

[20:48] And something even more extraordinary

[20:50] thing happened.

[20:52] The man

[20:54] who worshipped the Divine Mother

[20:57] came to be seen

[20:59] by

[21:00] his own devotees as the Mother herself.

[21:06] This raises an important question.

[21:10] Then, is this Sri Ramakrishna is simply

[21:13] a great devotee of the divine mother?

[21:17] Or is there a deeper mystery there?

[21:22] Did the very reality

[21:24] whom he worshipped manifest through him?

[21:29] So, to explore this, we must look at

[21:32] what Sri Ramakrishna experienced, what

[21:35] he said about himself, and what the

[21:37] disciples

[21:39] saw in him.

[21:41] This we will see the last part of this

[21:43] talk.

[21:44] Now, let us see the the significance of

[21:48] looking upon God as mother.

[21:53] As I said, this entire universe has come

[21:57] into manifestation

[21:59] through the power of

[22:02] Shakti.

[22:04] In our ordinary life, we know

[22:08] mother gives birth to the child.

[22:12] So, it is very natural for us to think

[22:15] that

[22:16] that from which this entire universe has

[22:19] come into manifestation, including

[22:22] ourselves,

[22:23] that power is mother.

[22:26] So, it is very natural to call that

[22:28] power as mother.

[22:31] And mother emphasizes not just creation,

[22:35] but sustenance as well.

[22:38] We can imagine a creator God who creates

[22:42] the world and then stands apart from it.

[22:46] But motherhood suggests something much

[22:49] more intimate.

[22:51] The source remains intimately involved

[22:54] with what comes forth from it.

[22:58] After giving birth to the child,

[23:01] a human mother nourishes the child,

[23:04] protects it, teaches it, and cares for

[23:07] it.

[23:09] Consequently, when we look upon God as

[23:12] mother,

[23:14] this universe is no longer is thought of

[23:17] as something separate from

[23:21] or something abandoned by God, who is

[23:24] the creator of this.

[23:27] But we must remember

[23:29] that

[23:31] Brahman

[23:33] or this uh

[23:35] creator God

[23:37] is beyond the male and female

[23:40] principles.

[23:43] When we say this ultimate reality is

[23:46] mother,

[23:47] it is not saying that

[23:49] Brahman has a biological gender.

[23:53] For that matter, Sri Ramakrishna said

[23:56] that even Kali,

[23:58] apparently a female deity, was beyond

[24:02] the duality of male and female.

[24:05] He used to narrate an an very

[24:07] interesting story.

[24:10] A man

[24:11] uh

[24:12] was once surprised to see the image of

[24:15] Mother Kali

[24:18] with

[24:18] a sacred thread on it.

[24:22] See, among the Hindus, the sacred thread

[24:24] is worn only by

[24:27] men and not by women.

[24:30] So, even in the worship, only male

[24:33] deities are offered the sacred thread.

[24:37] Now, this person, when he saw

[24:40] a Kali image with a sacred thread, he

[24:42] was surprised.

[24:44] And he asked the worshiper,

[24:48] "What? You have put sacred thread on the

[24:52] image of Mother Kali?"

[24:56] Then this worshiper

[24:58] he replied,

[25:00] "Brother,

[25:02] I see that you have understood

[25:05] what mother is truly.

[25:08] But for me,

[25:10] I have not been able to find out whether

[25:12] she is male or female.

[25:15] So I have put sacred thread on her."

[25:19] So this shows that this worshiper

[25:23] believed that Kali was beyond male and

[25:26] female principles.

[25:29] So mother conception is not about the

[25:32] gender of God, but it is about how

[25:35] we devotees

[25:38] encounter and relate ourselves to her.

[25:43] You may ask why we should regard God in

[25:46] terms of these human relations, such as

[25:50] father or mother.

[25:52] Is it such an attitude absolutely

[25:55] essential?

[25:56] No.

[25:58] We don't have to regard God in terms of

[26:01] human relationship, such as father,

[26:03] mother,

[26:05] friend, [clears throat] or beloved.

[26:08] But for many people,

[26:10] it is an extraordinarily powerful way to

[26:14] make the idea of God

[26:17] spiritually immediate and

[26:19] transformative.

[26:21] The difficulty with words Brahman, God,

[26:25] Shakti is that they can remain abstract.

[26:30] One may say God is infinite, omniscient,

[26:34] omnipotent,

[26:36] and things like that.

[26:39] All of that may be philosophically

[26:40] correct, but it doesn't necessarily

[26:43] create a living relationship with God.

[26:47] We always want to forge relationship

[26:50] with

[26:51] uh with people, with our pets, and even

[26:55] with

[26:56] uh objects like our vehicles and

[26:58] furniture.

[27:00] So, we already know how to love, how to

[27:04] trust, how to depend upon, how to

[27:07] surrender to. All these things we know.

[27:11] So,

[27:12] the path of bhakti or devotion takes

[27:14] this natural capacity and directs them

[27:18] towards the divine.

[27:22] Now,

[27:24] granting that yes, a personal

[27:26] relationship is beneficial,

[27:28] why motherhood of God is emphasized? Why

[27:31] not fatherhood?

[27:35] In answer to this, we may point out some

[27:37] general human tendencies.

[27:40] Okay. See, different relationships can

[27:42] awaken different spiritual attitudes.

[27:47] The image of God as father may naturally

[27:50] evoke obedience, reverence, trust, and

[27:55] dependence.

[27:57] The image of God as mother

[27:59] may more readily evoke intimacy,

[28:03] protection, surrender, and the feeling

[28:06] of unconditional belonging.

[28:10] This distinction, of course, is not a

[28:13] rigid psychological rule,

[28:15] but it can help us

[28:17] understand why the attitude of looking

[28:20] upon God as mother is so powerful.

[28:25] If I approach God as mother, I may

[28:27] naturally feel

[28:29] I must surrender myself to her.

[28:33] A child doesn't have to philosophize

[28:36] about its mother.

[28:38] The child's attitude is

[28:41] I belong to mother. She is mine. She

[28:45] cares for me.

[28:46] And I can go to her anytime.

[28:53] See, Sri Ramakrishna practiced

[28:56] spiritual disciplines according to

[28:58] different bhavas or moods.

[29:02] He looked upon God with the of course

[29:04] with the attitude of a child towards his

[29:07] mother,

[29:08] the attitude of a servant towards the

[29:11] master,

[29:12] the attitude of a

[29:14] woman towards her beloved and other

[29:17] attitudes.

[29:19] But after realizing the goal of all

[29:21] these attitudes,

[29:23] he returned to child-mother attitude.

[29:27] And he regarded this attitude as an

[29:31] exceptionally pure spiritual

[29:33] relationship. And he retained it till

[29:36] the end.

[29:42] The significance of looking upon God as

[29:46] mother is this.

[29:49] Merits and demerits, wisdom and

[29:53] ignorance, strength and weakness of

[29:57] ordinary people

[29:58] lose their significance

[30:01] before the divine mother.

[30:04] It is like

[30:06] say there is a towering tree at the

[30:08] center of a small lawn.

[30:11] See, from the ground, the difference

[30:13] between the towering tree and the small

[30:16] grass in the

[30:17] in the lawn is huge.

[30:20] But when we rise to a higher position,

[30:24] from higher level, see from there,

[30:27] the the tree and the grass, everything

[30:30] looks just green.

[30:33] It's all the same green patch.

[30:35] So, from the all-embracing

[30:39] point of divine mother, these

[30:42] differences of

[30:47] sinner and saint, and wisdom and

[30:49] ignorance, they that do not matter.

[30:56] See, she

[30:57] the divine mother

[31:00] does not withhold her grace

[31:03] from

[31:04] because from any person

[31:08] because he is imperfect.

[31:13] The saint and sinner can turn toward her

[31:17] and take refuge in her.

[31:20] We

[31:21] we come across many stories in our

[31:24] mythology, in history,

[31:27] in the lives of saints and sages, which

[31:30] prove this saving grace of the divine

[31:33] mother.

[31:35] See, devotees who are attached to the

[31:37] Vedanta tradition,

[31:39] they they can recall the wonderful love

[31:42] of holy mother Sarada Devi.

[31:46] In her life, we have the latest and most

[31:50] comprehensive demonstration of this

[31:53] all-embracing love of the divine mother.

[31:57] She assured her devotees, her devoted

[32:00] children,

[32:01] "I am the mother of the wicked.

[32:04] I am the mother of the virtuous."

[32:07] And she also said,

[32:09] "Whenever you are in distress, just say

[32:11] to yourself that I have a mother."

[32:15] So, this is very significant.

[32:17] It means that there is no situation in

[32:20] life in which I am outside the

[32:23] possibility of a divine relationship.

[32:31] See,

[32:32] I have discussed this

[32:35] uh looking upon God as divine mother in

[32:37] detail.

[32:40] Before moving on to the next point, I

[32:42] should say a word of caution.

[32:45] Is this attitude objectively superior to

[32:49] looking upon God as father or other

[32:52] relations?

[32:54] No.

[32:56] If superiority means that everyone must

[33:00] adopt this attitude, definitely the

[33:03] answer is no.

[33:06] Sri Ramakrishna accepted many approaches

[33:08] to God.

[33:10] Some people naturally respond to mother.

[33:13] Others may find the idea of father or

[33:16] friend or beloved most suitable.

[33:19] Or some others may have little

[33:21] attraction to any personal conception of

[33:24] God.

[33:25] They may be drawn towards Atman,

[33:28] Brahman, or consciousness.

[33:31] See, Sri Ramakrishna would not force

[33:34] it

[33:35] everyone into one mold.

[33:38] This is consistent with his famous

[33:41] words, "As many faiths, so many paths."

[33:45] So, we can extend that same principle

[33:49] within devotion. So, as many

[33:51] temperaments, so many relationships with

[33:54] divine.

[33:55] So,

[33:56] all these attitudes of looking upon God

[33:59] as father, mother, brother, whatever,

[34:03] they all can produce holiness.

[34:08] Now,

[34:09] we will see

[34:11] another aspect of the divine mother.

[34:15] Of course, she has this benign and

[34:18] graceful aspect.

[34:20] But, along with that, she has a terrible

[34:23] face as well.

[34:26] A A merely sentimental conception of the

[34:29] motherhood would not adequately explain

[34:33] the divine mother.

[34:35] She gives birth, but she also destroys.

[34:39] She nourishes,

[34:41] but she also takes away.

[34:44] She gives life,

[34:46] but she also brings death.

[34:48] Why?

[34:50] Because Shakti is the totality of cosmic

[34:54] process.

[34:56] Creation, preservation, and dissolution

[34:59] are all expressions of the same divine

[35:02] mother.

[35:05] Sri Ramakrishna once had a vision of the

[35:08] divine Maya, the inscrutable power of

[35:11] God.

[35:13] He saw a woman of exquisite beauty

[35:17] emerging from the river Ganga

[35:20] and slowly approaching the Panchavati,

[35:23] the the grove of five plan five trees.

[35:28] This lady, Sri Ramakrishna saw that she

[35:31] was pregnant and was on the verge of

[35:34] giving birth.

[35:36] Just as Sri Ramakrishna was uh

[35:40] watching her,

[35:41] she gave birth to a child

[35:43] and began to nurse it tenderly.

[35:47] A moment later,

[35:50] she assumed a terrible aspect,

[35:53] a terrible form,

[35:55] and she seized the child with her green

[35:59] jaws and crushed it.

[36:01] And finally, she swallowed it swallowed

[36:04] the child and reentered the Ganga.

[36:08] So, this is the vision Sri Ramakrishna

[36:11] had, and he understood, yes, that is the

[36:15] divine mother.

[36:17] She brings us into the world and

[36:20] ultimately takes us out of it.

[36:23] So, a true devotee

[36:26] would not say,

[36:28] "Mother is good when pleasant things

[36:30] happen and absent when painful things

[36:33] happen."

[36:35] No.

[36:35] He would rather say

[36:38] "Whatever comes, it comes from the

[36:40] Mother."

[36:42] This is a much more mature form of

[36:45] devotion.

[36:47] It does not mean that

[36:49] what we call suffering

[36:53] is good or we should stop trying to

[36:56] alleviate it.

[36:59] No.

[37:00] What it means is

[37:02] our trust in God no longer depends upon

[37:06] circumstances being pleasant.

[37:10] See, about

[37:11] 2 weeks after this Durga Puja

[37:13] we worship Kali.

[37:17] Kali is very dreadful to look at.

[37:21] She wears a garland of skulls.

[37:25] In one hand, she holds a blood-stained

[37:27] sword.

[37:29] And in another, a severed head.

[37:33] There is a terrifying look at her on her

[37:35] face.

[37:37] And she sticks out her strong

[37:39] as if to devour everything before her.

[37:47] This imagery of the Kali refuses to

[37:50] confine the divine to what is

[37:53] pleasant or comforting and life-giving.

[37:58] The same divine is responsible for

[38:01] destruction, also.

[38:05] See,

[38:06] she represents aspects of existence that

[38:09] we would rather avoid.

[38:12] Death, destruction, and impermanence of

[38:15] everything that we hold dear.

[38:21] Vedanta says that God

[38:26] is in everything.

[38:29] And all reality

[38:32] which includes good and pleasant

[38:36] as well as evil and unpleasant

[38:39] is part of God.

[38:41] So, Kali represents this reality.

[38:46] Hers is an all-comprehensive form.

[38:52] I said that she has a blood-stained

[38:55] sword and a severed head in her arms.

[38:58] She has two more heads. Two more hands.

[39:01] One They are in the postures of

[39:04] giving

[39:06] fearlessness

[39:08] and giving boon.

[39:12] So, she has both these benign and

[39:15] terrible aspects.

[39:17] And Vivekananda used to say that Mother

[39:20] Kali is the perfect manifestation of

[39:23] God.

[39:24] There is a touching incident

[39:27] in the book for Seekers of God.

[39:30] This is a book of conversations

[39:33] of Swami Shivananda,

[39:36] a disciple of Sri Ramakrishna.

[39:40] In 1930,

[39:42] communal riots broke out in Dhaka, which

[39:46] was then a part of India.

[39:49] Now, it is the capital of Bangladesh.

[39:52] So, the communal riots broke out. There

[39:54] was lot of

[39:56] bloodshed.

[39:59] Many, many people were

[40:01] affected. So, the Ramakrishna Mission

[40:04] undertook the relief work

[40:08] for the for the victims of these riots.

[40:11] At that time, Swami Shivananda was the

[40:13] president of the order, and he was

[40:16] living in Belur Math.

[40:18] One day a monk who was

[40:22] conducting the relief work came to Belur

[40:24] Math

[40:26] to pay his respects to

[40:28] Swami Shivananda.

[40:31] And he he met Swami Shivananda and told

[40:34] him about the the riots,

[40:37] the suffering of the people,

[40:40] and also

[40:41] the relief work that the mission was

[40:43] doing.

[40:45] And the mission needed funds for this

[40:47] relief work and appeals had been

[40:50] released in the newspapers.

[40:54] And this Swami

[40:56] told the

[40:57] Swami Shivananda that

[41:01] mission was receiving some support and

[41:04] very recently

[41:06] a one gentleman had offered a

[41:09] considerable amount

[41:11] of money for this relief work

[41:13] and he had promised to give more

[41:17] uh

[41:17] uh if required.

[41:19] So, hearing this

[41:21] Swami Shivananda

[41:23] became very pleased. Okay. And with

[41:26] folded hands

[41:28] he said in an ecstatic mood,

[41:31] "Victory to the Mother.

[41:34] Who can understand her play?

[41:38] It is she

[41:40] who in one form is giving pain.

[41:43] And again it is she

[41:45] who in another form is arousing sympathy

[41:50] in people's hearts.

[41:53] With one hand she is killing.

[41:57] With the other she is giving boons and

[42:01] bidding men be fearless.

[42:04] Creation, preservation, and dissolution,

[42:08] she is the doer of all these.

[42:12] In one form God is bringing pain to so

[42:15] many people

[42:17] in the form of famine and sickness.

[42:20] Again, in another form, God inspires

[42:23] people to remove the distress of

[42:25] humanity.

[42:27] So, these were the significant words of

[42:30] Swami Sivananda.

[42:33] See, this is a difficult teaching.

[42:35] We must understand it carefully.

[42:39] To recognize

[42:41] the divine as the ultimate ground of the

[42:43] whole of existence

[42:45] is not to declare

[42:47] every human action morally good.

[42:51] Swami Sivananda was not asking people to

[42:54] approve of the riots.

[42:56] The mission was actively engaged in

[43:00] in relieving the sufferings of the

[43:01] victims of the the the riot had caused.

[43:05] His point was that

[43:08] even in the midst of these terrible

[43:10] events, the power of compassion can

[43:13] arise.

[43:15] And the same world in which

[43:18] suffering occurs

[43:19] is also the field in which service,

[43:23] love, compassion,

[43:26] all these become possible.

[43:29] And the divine mother is behind both

[43:32] these forces.

[43:38] In

[43:39] Bengal,

[43:40] there are many songs

[43:45] praising Mother Kali

[43:48] for her beauty.

[43:50] Okay. So,

[43:52] when I heard these songs, I was very

[43:54] much surprised.

[43:56] How can Mother Kali be praised for her

[43:58] beauty?

[44:00] She is so dreadful to look at.

[44:03] But, then I realized

[44:05] that

[44:07] the composers of these

[44:09] they were all great mystic poets, okay?

[44:14] They had actually overcome

[44:18] the fear of death, destruction,

[44:22] etc.

[44:23] See, for them, Kali [clears throat]

[44:26] looked really beautiful.

[44:29] And

[44:31] See, there's there's a deep

[44:32] psychological fact in this.

[44:36] Let us say a huge storm is raging in our

[44:40] city, okay?

[44:42] And now, if we are full of fear,

[44:47] >> [clears throat]

[44:47] >> what we do? We

[44:49] We

[44:50] get into our homes, lock all doors and

[44:53] windows, and tremble sitting in a

[44:55] corner.

[44:57] So, then, the

[44:59] the fearful aspect of nature has

[45:02] it has overwhelmed us.

[45:05] But, if we are strong in our in our

[45:07] heart, we can open the window and see

[45:10] the storm and see enjoy the beauty.

[45:14] Right? So, it is something like that.

[45:16] See,

[45:17] one who has conquered the fear,

[45:20] Mother Kali appears beautiful. So, he

[45:23] can enjoy the fierce grandeur

[45:27] even in in that

[45:30] in that image of Kali.

[45:33] Uh

[45:33] in the life of Shri Swami Vivekananda,

[45:37] also there is one very beautiful

[45:38] incident.

[45:40] One of his famous poems is Kali the

[45:44] Mother.

[45:46] Okay?

[45:47] He wrote this poem in Kashmir, where he

[45:50] was visiting with some of his American

[45:53] disciples in 1898.

[45:58] At that time,

[46:00] he was full of devotion to the

[46:02] divine mother.

[46:06] And

[46:07] in his biography, there is a vivid

[46:09] description of the circumstances leading

[46:11] to this composition of the poem Kali the

[46:14] Mother.

[46:15] It is said that he wrote it in in a very

[46:18] exalted state of mind.

[46:20] And as he completed this poem, the pen

[46:23] fell off from his hand and he dropped to

[46:27] the ground losing all consciousness of

[46:30] the outer world.

[46:31] And he was in bhava samadhi.

[46:35] And

[46:36] in this poem, he gives a

[46:39] very

[46:44] a very historic a glimpse of the vision

[46:47] of the great tumult

[46:49] uh pictured as the mad joy of Mother

[46:53] Kali.

[46:54] Okay. And he writes towards the end of

[46:56] the poem,

[46:58] "Come, Mother, come.

[47:00] For terror is thy name.

[47:03] Death is in thy breath.

[47:05] And every shaking step

[47:08] destroys a world forever.

[47:12] Thou time, the all-destroyer,

[47:15] come, oh Mother, come.

[47:18] Who dares misery love

[47:21] and hug the form of death,

[47:23] dance in destruction's dance,

[47:26] to him the Mother comes."

[47:30] So, that is the the poem Kali the

[47:33] Mother.

[47:36] Swami Ashokananda,

[47:38] who headed the Vedanta Society in San

[47:41] Francisco for nearly four decades,

[47:45] stressed this point in many of his

[47:48] talks.

[47:50] That everything we see or experience in

[47:54] this universe, whether good or evil, has

[47:57] come from God.

[47:59] They all have been touched by his hand

[48:03] and [clears throat] hence are equally

[48:06] celestial.

[48:08] In his own words,

[48:10] he says, "Life is wonderful

[48:13] because God created it.

[48:17] Death is wonderful

[48:19] because God created it.

[48:22] Health is wonderful.

[48:24] Illness is wonderful

[48:26] because both have been created by him."

[48:29] So, this is Swami Ashokananda.

[48:33] See, this outlook

[48:35] can radically change how we understand

[48:38] suffering.

[48:41] Instead of dividing reality into

[48:44] "These things came from

[48:46] God. These things don't."

[48:50] We begin to contemplate the mysterious

[48:53] totality of divine action.

[48:59] As I said, it does not mean that cruelty

[49:03] or injustice should be called good. No.

[49:07] It

[49:08] It means that

[49:10] we learn to trust the divine even when

[49:14] life does not meet our expectations.

[49:20] It means that we must grow spiritually

[49:23] stronger

[49:25] to attain a fuller knowledge of the

[49:28] divine mother.

[49:32] A strong devotee can say to the divine

[49:34] mother,

[49:35] "Give me happiness.

[49:38] Give me misery.

[49:40] Both I shall accept with extreme

[49:43] gladness."

[49:45] See, Sri Ramakrishna once

[49:47] when he was in samadhi,

[49:49] uh he fell

[49:51] and broke his arm.

[49:53] So,

[49:55] when Sri Ramakrishna, whenever he goes

[49:56] to samadhi, his the devotees, if they

[49:59] happen to be around, they become very

[50:02] careful

[50:04] to

[50:05] to support him. Otherwise, he may fall.

[50:08] So, once actually it happened and he

[50:11] broke his arm.

[50:12] And obviously, it was very painful. And

[50:15] during that time, he made one very

[50:18] significant remark.

[50:20] He said,

[50:21] "This is

[50:23] just another aspect of the divine play.

[50:26] There is also some joy in this."

[50:30] So, Sri Ramakrishna said,

[50:35] "Now,

[50:36] we will see

[50:38] this Sri Ramakrishna's

[50:40] very, very intimate relationship with

[50:43] the divine mother."

[50:46] I have already quoted a few incidents,

[50:50] a few of his um

[50:53] um conversations,

[50:55] his interactions with the divine mother,

[50:58] who was like a living person to him.

[51:05] I'll just narrate because I'm

[51:08] I'm running out of time. I'll just

[51:09] narrate two incidents

[51:12] which are very, very significant. One is

[51:17] Mathur Babu, Mathurnath Biswas, who was

[51:21] the manager of the Kali temple, had a

[51:25] vision of

[51:27] both Shiva and Kali

[51:30] in Sri Ramakrishna.

[51:34] Once, he was

[51:37] Mathur Babu was visiting Dakshineswar

[51:39] and he was sitting in his room in the

[51:41] bungalow

[51:43] on the temple premises.

[51:45] And Sri Ramakrishna was

[51:47] walking on the northeastern veranda of

[51:50] his room

[51:52] in a very spiritual

[51:54] mood, in drawn mood.

[51:58] This Mathur Babu saw Sri Ram Krishna was

[52:00] walking back and forth.

[52:03] And it just

[52:05] happened that Mathur Babu saw when Sri

[52:09] Ram Krishna was

[52:10] walking towards him

[52:13] his

[52:14] form changed into that of a Kali.

[52:19] And when he turned and walked away from

[52:22] him

[52:24] the form changed into Shiva.

[52:27] At first Mathur Babu saw thought it was

[52:30] some kind of optical illusion. So, he

[52:33] rubbed his eyes

[52:35] and saw again.

[52:37] But the vision repeated.

[52:39] Sri Ram Krishna became Kali and again he

[52:42] became Shiva.

[52:44] It this

[52:46] repeated several times.

[52:48] And

[52:49] Mathur Babu he could not contain himself

[52:52] and he

[52:54] ran to Sri Ram Krishna, fell at his feet

[52:58] and started weeping

[53:00] uncontrollably.

[53:02] That was a very significant vision.

[53:06] Another incident

[53:09] this happened just a few months before

[53:12] his passing, before the passing of Sri

[53:14] Ram Krishna.

[53:16] In

[53:17] Kolkata where Sri Ram Krishna had been

[53:19] moved for his treatment.

[53:23] The devotees had rented a house for him

[53:26] in a place called Shyam Pukur.

[53:29] And

[53:30] uh it was the time of

[53:32] Kali Puja. The

[53:35] On the day before Kali Puja Sri Ram

[53:38] Krishna asked the devotees to gather all

[53:42] items of worship

[53:44] for the

[53:46] for Kali Puja.

[53:47] So, next evening the devotees

[53:51] brought

[53:52] flowers, sandal paste,

[53:55] bilva leaves, and all other items for

[53:58] the worship.

[53:59] And they arranged all this next to the

[54:02] bed of Sri Ramakrishna

[54:05] in the evening.

[54:07] And there were many devotees

[54:09] um Girish Chandra Ghosh,

[54:12] Mahendranath Gupta, uh

[54:14] Rakhal, Naren, and many devotees were

[54:18] present.

[54:19] So, just as they had they arranged all

[54:22] these things,

[54:23] they all sat quietly

[54:28] looking at Sri Ramakrishna.

[54:30] Sri Ramakrishna also surprisingly, he

[54:33] also sat quietly.

[54:35] So, devotees were little

[54:38] confused what they should do.

[54:41] What Sri

[54:42] Neither [clears throat] Sri Ramakrishna

[54:43] is doing the worship himself,

[54:46] nor is he asking anyone of these

[54:49] devotees present to do the worship, to

[54:52] conduct the worship.

[54:55] So,

[54:56] all were sitting quietly.

[54:59] At that time,

[55:01] it struck Girish Ghosh

[55:05] that

[55:06] Sri Ramakrishna does not

[55:08] need to perform the worship for his own

[55:12] sake.

[55:13] He has risen above all these long, long

[55:16] ago.

[55:17] So,

[55:18] all these items of worship are for we

[55:22] devotees

[55:24] to worship him,

[55:25] >> [snorts]

[55:27] >> to worship Sri Ramakrishna.

[55:29] Just as this thought

[55:32] came to him, he immediately

[55:35] collected

[55:36] some

[55:37] took some flowers and sandal paste

[55:41] and uttering

[55:43] victory to the mother

[55:45] offered them at the feet of Sri

[55:48] Ramakrishna.

[55:49] Okay?

[55:51] As soon as these flowers touched the

[55:53] feet of Sri Ramakrishna

[55:55] Sri Ramakrishna went into a ecstatic

[55:59] mood.

[56:00] Okay? And very surprisingly

[56:04] his

[56:05] two hands assumed the

[56:08] postures that we see in the image of

[56:12] Kali.

[56:13] The posture of

[56:15] bidding fearlessness

[56:18] and the posture of giving boons.

[56:21] It is called Abhaya and Varada

[56:25] in Sanskrit. So, Sri Ramakrishna's hands

[56:28] assumed this form.

[56:29] And then all devotees

[56:33] offered flowers at his feet and they all

[56:36] feel they all felt blessed.

[56:40] So, on that day

[56:42] Sri Ramakrishna

[56:44] for devotees Sri Ramakrishna became the

[56:48] divine mother Kali.

[56:52] And then if if few weeks

[56:55] after this incident

[56:58] Sri Ramakrishna was in Kashipur

[57:01] and by then the devotees had

[57:04] come to know that his illness was fatal

[57:08] and only a divine intervention can save

[57:11] him.

[57:13] One day

[57:16] Rakhal Naren Rakhal means Swami

[57:18] Brahmananda

[57:20] Naren Swami Vivekananda they were all

[57:23] sitting by the by the side of his bed.

[57:29] And Rakhal

[57:31] told Sri Ramakrishna,

[57:34] "Please

[57:36] ask mother, ask God divine mother to

[57:41] save your body

[57:43] for some more time."

[57:46] >> [clears throat]

[57:47] >> Sri Ramakrishna replied, "No, that

[57:50] depends upon God's will."

[57:53] Narendra, who was also nearby,

[57:56] he he remarked,

[57:58] "Your will and God's will have become

[58:02] one."

[58:04] So,

[58:05] hearing this, Sri Ramakrishna kept

[58:09] silent

[58:10] thinking of probably something.

[58:14] And then he said,

[58:17] "Nothing will happen if I speak to God.

[58:22] Now I see that I and the mother have

[58:26] become one."

[58:30] Then he paused for some time.

[58:33] All devotees,

[58:34] this is a very significant thing what

[58:36] Sri Ramakrishna said, "I and my mother

[58:39] have become one." So, they all uh

[58:42] sat silently

[58:45] waiting what Sri Ramakrishna would say

[58:47] next.

[58:49] Then Sri Ramakrishna said,

[58:51] pointing to his body,

[58:54] "There are two persons in this.

[58:57] One, the divine mother,

[59:00] Yes, one is she,

[59:03] and the other

[59:04] is he is her devotee.

[59:07] It is the devotee who broke his arm.

[59:11] And it is the devotee

[59:13] who is now ill."

[59:16] Then he says, "Do you understand?"

[59:21] So, here

[59:23] we encounter a a an

[59:26] extraordinary statement by Sri

[59:28] Ramakrishna.

[59:30] He says that he and

[59:33] the mother have become one.

[59:36] And in the same breath, he says that

[59:39] there are two people, mother and her

[59:42] devotee in him.

[59:44] So, he does not explain away the

[59:46] mystery.

[59:48] He leaves us with it.

[59:51] His words suggest a unity so profound

[59:56] that that the distinction between the

[59:58] divine mother and her devotee can no

[1:00:02] longer be explained in our

[1:00:06] ordinary language.

[1:00:11] So, my purpose in narrating these

[1:00:14] incidents is to show that Sri

[1:00:18] Ramakrishna's

[1:00:19] devotees

[1:00:22] came to experience

[1:00:24] the manifestation of Mother Kali

[1:00:27] herself

[1:00:30] in Sri Ramakrishna.

[1:00:34] Now, coming back to our original

[1:00:37] discussion, we began

[1:00:39] with the discussion of Sri Ramakrishna's

[1:00:41] teaching, Jini Brahma, Jini Shakti, Tini

[1:00:45] Kali.

[1:00:48] He who is Brahman is Shakti,

[1:00:51] and he himself is the divine mother.

[1:00:56] But now, we have seen that

[1:01:00] for Sri Ramakrishna,

[1:01:03] Kali was

[1:01:05] no

[1:01:06] separate

[1:01:08] being from him. Devotees saw that Kali

[1:01:13] herself had manifested through Sri

[1:01:17] Ramakrishna.

[1:01:19] So, for these devotees,

[1:01:25] we can extend

[1:01:26] Jini Brahma, Jini Shakti, Jini Kali as

[1:01:30] now Jini Sri Ramakrishna.

[1:01:33] So, the same

[1:01:35] reality which is Brahman

[1:01:38] which is Shakti

[1:01:40] which is manifested as Kali

[1:01:42] has now

[1:01:43] taken the form of Sri Ramakrishna for

[1:01:47] his devotees.

[1:01:51] See, we can

[1:01:52] worship God in any of these forms.

[1:01:58] Mother Kali has become more accessible

[1:02:02] to us through this human form of Sri

[1:02:06] Ramakrishna.

[1:02:09] According to our temperament according

[1:02:12] to our mood we can worship the divine as

[1:02:16] either Brahman

[1:02:17] or as Shakti, the power

[1:02:21] or as Kali, the divine mother, or if you

[1:02:25] are if we are inclined so we can worship

[1:02:28] the same divine as Sri Ramakrishna.

[1:02:32] So

[1:02:32] he is our divine mother.

[1:02:37] During this Durga Puja season

[1:02:41] as I said

[1:02:42] it is very auspicious time.

[1:02:46] Mother

[1:02:48] Durga is worshipped

[1:02:50] ceremonially

[1:02:52] for three or four days

[1:02:54] and we chant hymns to her

[1:02:57] we sing her songs and we do the japa of

[1:03:01] her name.

[1:03:05] It's a very sacred auspicious time and

[1:03:08] during this time we are fortunate to

[1:03:11] have got this opportunity to dwell on

[1:03:15] the divine mother.

[1:03:17] May Divine Mother protect us all.

[1:03:21] May she

[1:03:22] lead us all

[1:03:24] into our

[1:03:26] final destiny, which is the spiritual

[1:03:29] realization.

[1:03:32] May her blessings be on all of us.

[1:03:35] Thank you.

[1:03:38] Om Shanti Shanti Shanti.

[1:03:43] Hari Om Tat Sat. Sri Rama Krishna

[1:03:47] Arpanamastu.

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According to Swami Jnanasudhananda's lecture on Sri Ramakrishna's teaching, Brahman and Shakti are not two separate realities but the same reality viewed from two standpoints. Brahman names the absolute considered without reference to the universe, while Shakti names that same absolute as the power that manifests, sustains, and withdraws the world.
The lecture argues that for Ramakrishna the Mother is the Absolute in active relationship with the world, not a lesser deity beside it. His devotion was intimate and personal, and he treated his relationship with the Mother as the lived form of the non-dual insight.
Hazra is a recurring character in the Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna known for his stubbornness, self-importance, and constant arguing. In the lecture, he insisted that the events of Chaitanya's life were only the play of Shakti and had nothing to do with Brahman, and he later accepted Ramakrishna's view after Ramakrishna prayed to the Mother.
As described in the lecture, the traditional annual worship begins on the first day, continues for two more days, and ends on the third day with the image immersed in water, which concludes a four-day observance. For Bengali communities it is one of the largest festivals of the year.
In standard Advaita Vedanta, Brahman alone is absolutely real and the world, including gods and goddesses, belongs to empirical reality. Ramakrishna, as presented in the lecture, affirmed the non-dual nature of Brahman but added that Brahman and Shakti are inseparable, so the Divine Mother expresses the absolute rather than contradicting it.
Swami Jnanasudhananda named Kali, Lakshmi, Saraswati, Parvati, Chamundi, Jagaddhatri, Annapurna, and Durga among the forms of the Divine Mother. He said there are probably more than 100 forms, while noting that the underlying philosophy and devotional attitudes are more or less the same.

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