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[2:00] Episode 68.
[2:02] On forgiving yourself.
[2:11] In the last episode, we talked about
[2:14] guilt. The intention was to understand this
[2:17] feeling that is so difficult, so
[2:20] imprisoning, that we all have.
[2:23] And for very similar reasons, isn't it?
[2:26] Certain forms of guilt seem universal.
[2:29] Guilt towards parents, towards children,
[2:33] guilt for having made mistakes, for having failed, for having
[2:37] made decisions that brought bad
[2:39] results. Guilt for not feeling good
[2:42] enough, and so on. At least
[2:46] we're not alone in our guilt. It's
[2:50] worth remembering that remorse, as an
[2:53] awareness of a wrongdoing, and
[2:56] repentance, as a review of our
[2:58] attitude,
[3:01] are both positive and bring
[3:04] personal growth when they motivate an
[3:06] apology and eventual reparation.
[3:10] Guilt, on the other hand, is the unease fueled by
[3:14] harsh self-judgment for our
[3:16] mistakes and imperfections,
[3:18] also fueled by self-punishing ideas and attitudes
[3:21] .
[3:23] We punish ourselves by hurting ourselves,
[3:26] depriving ourselves of something,
[3:29] sabotaging ourselves, considering ourselves unworthy,
[3:32] undeserving of love, happiness, of
[3:35] good things.
[3:37] Guilt is not positive; it does not bring
[3:40] personal growth. On the contrary, it
[3:43] paralyzes and imprisons us.
[3:47] If guilt is a prison, then forgiveness is the key that
[3:50] unlocks the cell.
[3:53] And it's not so much about forgiving the other person whom we
[3:57] may have harmed.
[3:59] Because, and this is very common, we
[4:02] can receive forgiveness from the other person and
[4:05] still continue to feel
[4:07] guilty.
[4:09] Furthermore, many times the blame lies not in what
[4:12] we did to someone else, but in what
[4:15] we did or failed to do to
[4:18] ourselves. In that case, there's really no one who
[4:21] can forgive us except
[4:24] ourselves.
[4:26] So, ultimately, we only become
[4:29] completely free from guilt through self-
[4:33] forgiveness. And that's where our biggest
[4:36] difficulty lies.
[4:39] In the discussion about self-forgiveness that I
[4:41] started on Instagram, people
[4:43] overwhelmingly shared phrases like:
[4:46] "I can't forgive myself. It's difficult, I
[4:49] can't, I don't know how to forgive myself."
[4:53] Ultimately, is it possible to forgive oneself?
[4:56] So how do we do that? That's what
[5:00] we're going to explore in this episode. The
[5:02] autistic process may require a new
[5:04] understanding of what it means to be human and the
[5:08] purpose of our experiences in
[5:10] life. And I'm following this path,
[5:13] I'm practicing this, and I'm going to share
[5:16] some reflections and lessons learned here
[5:19] with you.
[5:21] What I'm very clear about is
[5:24] that no matter what we've
[5:26] done, we all have the right to
[5:29] forgive each other.
[5:31] [Music]
[5:38] To begin with,
[5:40] why is it so difficult for us to
[5:42] forgive ourselves?
[5:43] What prevents us from succeeding in this? I'm
[5:47] going to highlight three reasons here that
[5:49] seem very strong, based on what I've
[5:52] observed in myself and in others, and also
[5:55] from what I've read about forgiving
[5:57] ourselves. The first is the meaning of the
[6:00] word itself, which, whether one likes it or
[6:03] not, already defines forgiveness, already creates an
[6:06] idea of the circumstances of forgiveness. The word "
[6:09] forgive" comes from the Latin "perdonare," which is the
[6:13] combination of two words, "perari,"
[6:17] meaning "to give."
[6:20] And when researching the definitions of forgiveness,
[6:22] what we find are attitudes of
[6:25] generosity and altruism.
[6:28] To forgive is to release someone from paying a
[6:31] debt, from suffering a punishment, from
[6:34] serving a sentence. Forgiving also means letting go
[6:37] of the need for reparation, it means absolving someone of a
[6:41] wrong. It's like saying, "Relax,
[6:44] you don't owe me anything."
[6:47] So you see, the idea of forgiveness implies
[6:50] that there must be someone who forgives, a
[6:53] subject, and someone who is forgiven, an
[6:57] object. When we forgive each other,
[7:01] that condition is present, okay? But
[7:04] in the case of self-forgiveness, that's not what
[7:06] happens. And this creates a break in
[7:09] our logic.
[7:11] If subject and object are
[7:14] different entities and one can only exist in
[7:17] relation to the other, how
[7:20] can we be both at the same time? The
[7:23] person who raises this issue is a
[7:25] British writer and educator who spoke extensively about
[7:28] forgiveness, Colin Tipping. He passed away in
[7:32] 2019, leaving behind a beautiful body of work on the
[7:34] subject. Unfortunately, his books have
[7:36] not yet been translated into
[7:38] Portuguese.
[7:40] Colin raises the following question:
[7:42] when we talk about forgiving ourselves,
[7:46] who is forgiving and who is being
[7:48] forgiven?
[7:50] To whom are we appealing when we ask
[7:52] forgiveness of ourselves?
[7:55] This is not just an interesting philosophical question
[7:57] ; it has a lot to do with the
[8:00] practical aspects of self-forgiveness, because it
[8:03] seems that in acting as both forgiver and
[8:06] forgiven, we are trying to be
[8:08] prosecutors, judges, jurors, witnesses,
[8:11] and defendants.
[8:15] Suddenly, in our minds, it's as if
[8:18] we're suspected of forgiving ourselves, and
[8:21] that forgiveness is sham,
[8:24] invalid, and has no practical effect. And
[8:28] so, we don't believe in our
[8:31] own forgiveness. We don't feel
[8:34] forgiven. A second reason that
[8:38] makes self-forgiveness difficult is the
[8:40] dark aspects that we recognize in ourselves, the evil
[8:43] within us. We have selfish attitudes,
[8:47] impure thoughts, and
[8:50] negative feelings of anger, envy, and resentment.
[8:54] We lie, we manipulate,
[8:57] we have unconfessed desires.
[9:00] A corner of our psyche smells of
[9:02] dryness. A
[9:04] merciful God can forgive us,
[9:07] but we
[9:09] burn in the hell of our
[9:11] conscience.
[9:13] We can even consider ourselves
[9:15] unworthy of divine forgiveness itself, which would be
[9:18] the third reason.
[9:21] I lived through that. How far back
[9:23] can I remember myself from my
[9:25] childhood? I often found myself tormented
[9:28] by guilt for having done something wrong,
[9:31] for having behaved badly.
[9:34] Some phrases kept coming to mind.
[9:37] God is watching. God punishes.
[9:41] I grew up with these phrases.
[9:44] When I committed mistakes that I considered
[9:46] serious, because of my attitudes or
[9:49] thoughts, I would ask for
[9:52] forgiveness, but I wasn't sure if it was
[9:55] enough, if I was worthy of forgiveness,
[9:58] and I would sink deeper into guilt. Well, the fear of
[10:02] divine punishment is very present in
[10:05] our culture, isn't it? I do not intend to
[10:09] pass judgment here, nor to create
[10:11] controversy with any religious doctrine.
[10:15] In my view, everything happens for a reason
[10:18] . And each of us is drawn to what
[10:21] makes sense to us at a given
[10:23] moment. Each of us is drawn to
[10:27] that which reflects our state of
[10:29] consciousness at any given moment. And so it is with
[10:34] me; if in my childhood I
[10:36] lived with the idea of divine punishment, it
[10:39] served a purpose in my life, and
[10:43] then that changed. Today I have a
[10:46] different understanding of God, of life, and of
[10:49] myself. The reasons that previously
[10:52] prevented me from practicing self-forgiveness no longer
[10:56] prevent me. And I opened myself up to the
[10:58] possibility of forgiving myself.
[11:06] I
[11:11] will then share some of what
[11:13] I have learned. Perhaps something like this could be useful to you.
[11:17] I even mentioned some passages about this
[11:19] in episode 44, which is the peace we
[11:22] desire in the world. And I'll pick them up again
[11:24] here.
[11:26] I was born into a Kardecist Spiritist family and
[11:29] educated at a Catholic nuns' school
[11:31] . My parents wanted me to be raised
[11:33] in
[11:35] Christian values.
[11:37] I used to hear a lot about the gospel of Jesus.
[11:40] Whether at home or at school. And the love
[11:43] of Christ has always inspired me greatly, and
[11:45] continues to inspire me.
[11:47] As a child, I had an ideal for
[11:50] my life. I want to be a good person.
[11:54] But at the same time, I didn't see myself as
[11:57] a good person. I became aware of my
[12:00] darker aspects. The evil within me lived
[12:03] in conflict with it.
[12:06] After finishing high school at the
[12:08] convent school, I began to drift away
[12:10] from religion.
[12:12] In my mind, Jesus' message of
[12:15] unconditional love didn't align with
[12:17] ideas of atonement, sin, and karma. And
[12:21] not knowing how to deal with this
[12:23] contradiction, I distanced myself from dogmas
[12:26] and doctrines. Maybe that way I wouldn't
[12:29] feel so guilty. because of my
[12:32] darker aspects.
[12:34] I spent over a decade without opening a
[12:36] book, in a spiritual hibernation,
[12:40] but my questions and
[12:42] inner conflicts with evil never ceased to
[12:45] exist.
[12:46] After turning 30, it was difficult to
[12:49] cope with my darker side,
[12:52] my questions and discomforts, so
[12:54] I started body therapy
[12:57] with flower essences and conversations.
[13:00] And my therapist Angela, for whom I
[13:03] am very grateful, introduced me to a
[13:06] world I didn't know existed:
[13:08] the world of psychology and philosophy from
[13:11] a spiritual perspective.
[13:14] And I really found myself there, I found the
[13:18] answers I was looking for.
[13:20] My interest in reading has returned.
[13:23] Dozens of books gradually changed
[13:26] my perspective on life.
[13:28] And in that respect, two were particularly
[13:31] noteworthy. We do
[13:33] not have the book "Evil" psychographed by Eva
[13:36] Pierracos, which is part of a
[13:39] self-development program called Pathwork.
[13:42] I've talked about this project here before. And
[13:45] Conversations with God by Neil Donald
[13:48] Walsh. This blew my mind. It's
[13:52] a very surprising book.
[13:55] Looking back on the last 25 years of my
[13:58] life, I've had phases of reading a lot, of
[14:01] working on myself, and phases of not studying at all,
[14:04] but experiencing what I learned.
[14:07] Right now, I'm in a
[14:09] study phase. I'm fascinated by
[14:11] Jungian analytical psychology, which resonates strongly
[14:14] with everything I believe in. And of course, I practice
[14:17] mindfulness.
[14:19] But anyway, what has changed for me
[14:21] regarding those three reasons that
[14:24] prevent us from practicing self-forgiveness,
[14:27] starting with my understanding of God.
[14:30] Well, "understanding" is a figure of speech, isn't it
[14:33] ? The human mind is limited to its
[14:36] own experience and cannot
[14:39] grasp the divine.
[14:41] But as far as I can understand,
[14:44] I see God as the universe, the
[14:46] primordial consciousness and substance of
[14:49] all that exists, manifested in
[14:52] infinite forms,
[14:54] from the smallest subatomic particle to the
[14:57] suns and planets, the wind, a bird,
[15:01] a flower.
[15:03] I, you, all of us are manifestations
[15:08] of the divine, experiencing existence
[15:11] in a material dimension, acting with a
[15:14] level of consciousness limited by that
[15:16] material dimension.
[15:19] At our level of human consciousness, we
[15:21] see ourselves as separate from God, immersed in
[15:25] a system of opposites where we only
[15:27] know one thing in opposition to or in
[15:31] relation to another.
[15:33] We know what light is in relation to its
[15:35] opposite, which is darkness. High versus
[15:39] low, pleasant versus
[15:42] unpleasant, right versus
[15:45] wrong, good versus evil.
[15:50] Human experience takes place within this
[15:52] context of opposites, which we
[15:54] can also call duality.
[15:57] Let's say that duality is one of the rules
[15:59] of the game around here. We need evil to
[16:04] know good.
[16:06] Through experiences in duality,
[16:09] we expand our consciousness and
[16:11] reconnect with our
[16:13] divine essence, which is one with all that exists.
[16:17] Along this journey, mistakes are part of it,
[16:21] suffering is part of it, fear, hatred,
[16:25] rejection, all the negativity that
[16:28] troubles us so much, it's all part of it.
[16:32] They are our teachers on the path
[16:35] back to perfect unity with the
[16:37] universe.
[16:45] Today I understand that our problem
[16:48] is not having dark aspects. Our
[16:51] problem is judging, denying, repressing,
[16:55] fighting against these aspects, wanting to
[16:57] eradicate them from ourselves. This creates
[17:00] internal conflicts within ourselves and external conflicts with
[17:04] others, reinforcing the
[17:07] darker aspects.
[17:09] So what should we do with the evil within us?
[17:12] First, accept that evil is part of
[17:15] our humanity and learn from it,
[17:19] because evil does have its
[17:21] consequences, doesn't it? Every action generates a
[17:24] reaction.
[17:26] That's one of the laws of life. Not to
[17:29] punish us, but to awaken us.
[17:33] God does not punish.
[17:36] Why would he punish manifestations of
[17:38] himself? It doesn't make sense. The idea of
[17:42] punishment comes from man. It stems from a
[17:45] dualistic view of a struggle between good and
[17:47] evil. This idea has its reasons.
[17:51] It has a function to fulfill. In our
[17:54] evolutionary journey, we
[17:56] are not all on the same page. Each
[18:00] person is living their own process
[18:02] in their own time and participating in the
[18:05] processes of others. We are all
[18:08] evolving together.
[18:10] So, we made a mistake.
[18:13] Let's repair the harm we've caused, ask
[18:16] forgiveness from others, and forgive others
[18:19] when they harm us. Whatever we do
[18:22] to others, we do to ourselves, because
[18:26] in the end we are all one and the same. Is
[18:31] n't it said that forgiveness is divine?
[18:34] So, by forgiving, we are
[18:38] experiencing the divine within us. We
[18:41] recognize ourselves as a human self,
[18:44] with an identity, history, memories,
[18:47] experiences, characteristics, and everything
[18:50] else.
[18:51] But we are not just this human self. In
[18:55] reality, we are a divine self, having
[18:58] experiences as a human self that sees itself as
[19:01] separate from that divine self.
[19:04] And look how interesting.
[19:06] If in our illusion of separation we are
[19:09] two, the divine self and the human self, then
[19:14] we have what is needed for the self.
[19:18] We are simultaneously the one who forgives and the one who
[19:20] is forgiven.
[19:22] Forgiving ourselves is achievable; it's a
[19:26] reality.
[19:33] I keep thinking, from the perspective
[19:36] of our divine self, forgiveness has already been
[19:39] given unconditionally. I
[19:42] owe nothing to myself, he would say.
[19:45] But okay, our human selves need these
[19:48] formalities.
[19:50] So let's see how to put
[19:53] self-forgiveness into practice using
[19:55] real-life experiences. It
[19:57] all begins with the decision to forgive,
[20:00] as Mariana observes.
[20:02] I thought that time could heal
[20:05] the pain of our mistakes, and I waited.
[20:09] But the anguish of guilt wouldn't go away,
[20:12] even after I had
[20:14] redeemed myself, or at least tried to correct
[20:17] the mistake. After spending years
[20:20] dwelling on my mistakes,
[20:22] I've discovered that time doesn't heal anything if I
[20:25] don't want to heal. Forgiveness is a
[20:29] rational,
[20:31] constructed decision, and yes, a difficult one.
[20:34] I'm still learning how to deal with
[20:36] some things. I can't always manage it, but that's
[20:40] okay. I forgive myself for being imperfect,
[20:44] and from that point on, I allow myself to be
[20:46] better tomorrow. She says that
[20:50] when we feel guilty for having
[20:52] harmed someone, it's necessary to ask
[20:55] the person for forgiveness, not only to ask for
[20:59] forgiveness and to repair the mistake, if
[21:02] reparation is possible, out of respect for the person and
[21:05] also to ease our
[21:08] conscience.
[21:10] If it's too difficult to face the person,
[21:13] we have the option of writing a letter.
[21:16] This works very well for me. I
[21:19] reflect, I give myself time to write, I
[21:23] put everything I want to say in the letter,
[21:25] things I might not be able to say if I were to
[21:28] say them face to face.
[21:30] I think writing a letter also
[21:32] relieves our tension, but it doesn't replace
[21:35] a conversation afterwards.
[21:38] At some point, we do need to
[21:41] reach out to the person, reiterate our
[21:44] apology, and listen to their response. What if the
[21:48] person doesn't forgive?
[21:50] This can happen.
[21:53] Thís confessed to a boyfriend that, at the very
[21:55] beginning of their relationship, he
[21:58] wasn't the only one, and this poisoned the relationship. What
[22:02] followed was a time of resentment, guilt, and
[22:05] failed attempts at forgiveness. The
[22:07] relationship ended, and she wonders,
[22:11] "How can I forgive myself if I don't have the
[22:14] other person's forgiveness?" I present here the perspective
[22:17] of Robert Wright, an American professor of
[22:20] psychology who specialized
[22:22] in forgiveness. He says: "Forgiving yourself
[22:27] doesn't depend on receiving forgiveness from
[22:29] others, just as forgiving others doesn't
[22:32] depend on them asking for forgiveness." The fact is
[22:35] that we are not responsible for the
[22:37] choices of others.
[22:39] If he doesn't want to forgive us, it's because he
[22:42] 's not ready for it. If he chooses to
[22:45] hold a grudge, there's nothing
[22:48] we can do. Holding a grudge
[22:52] is like drinking poison and expecting the
[22:54] other person to die. I heard this phrase
[22:57] once, and it perfectly defines the effect of
[22:59] resentment and who that
[23:02] resentment affects. Ultimately, the fact that the
[23:06] other person doesn't forgive us doesn't interfere with
[23:09] our right to forgive ourselves.
[23:12] Part of the self-forgiveness process involves
[23:15] reflecting on the attitudes that
[23:17] led us to make mistakes and acknowledging our
[23:20] limitations.
[23:22] Vivi's story helps me a lot to think that I
[23:25] did the best I could at that moment,
[23:28] with the knowledge I had and the
[23:31] emotional state I was in. She
[23:34] says she applies the same logic to
[23:36] others, which helps her forgive them
[23:39] as well.
[23:40] Vivi also shares two books that
[23:42] helped her develop the ability to forgive. The
[23:46] Book of Forgiveness by Desmontuto and
[23:49] Stronger Than Ever by Brney Brown. Those of you
[23:53] who follow me on Instagram will see
[23:55] these recommendations there.
[23:57] Marília, on the other hand, besides reflecting on
[24:00] her shortcomings, tries to learn something
[24:02] from the situations.
[24:05] I think that's what led me to act the way I did,
[24:07] and how it could have been. What did I lack
[24:11] to make things different? I try to
[24:14] process these issues as if they were
[24:16] internal conversations, and I seek to use
[24:19] this learning as a tool, as
[24:22] if a purpose were to emerge from it.
[24:24] [Music]
[24:31] Self-forgiveness may require
[24:33] more work than
[24:35] awareness and reflection.
[24:38] And Will's sharing shows that.
[24:42] For a long time, he had attitudes that hurt
[24:44] his boyfriend and blamed himself a lot for the end
[24:47] of the relationship. She became
[24:49] depressed and sought
[24:51] therapy to understand the causes of her
[24:54] behavior.
[24:56] Nothing I did was out of malice, but it
[24:59] ended up hurting my loved ones.
[25:02] Today I am aware of this. I
[25:05] apologized to everyone, freed myself from
[25:07] guilt, and won back my boyfriend. He
[25:10] says:
[25:12] "For Leo, forgiving himself has been a
[25:14] constant exercise in compassion and
[25:17] acceptance.
[25:19] He's working through an old guilt for having
[25:21] hurt an aunt.
[25:24] When he closes his eyes, it's as if
[25:26] no time has passed.
[25:28] He tries to gather that part of himself that was left
[25:30] behind, helpless, lost in
[25:34] time. I try to embrace him and take care of
[25:37] his wounds.
[25:40] Noele, on the other hand, had an experience of self-
[25:43] forgiveness through prayer.
[25:46] Even after reflecting on what
[25:47] happened and all the variables, the
[25:50] feeling of guilt always prevailed.
[25:53] One day in prayer, I opened my heart to
[25:57] God and had compassion for myself,
[26:00] forgiving myself, recognizing that it's okay to make
[26:03] mistakes and that I was no longer that
[26:05] person from the past. From then on, I
[26:09] could live in peace.
[26:15] Well, I also have a way of
[26:17] working on self-forgiveness to share
[26:19] with you here.
[26:21] It's a meditation with our two selves,
[26:24] the divine and the human, and with the phrases of
[26:28] Rooponopono, which is a Hawaiian tradition
[26:31] to promote forgiveness and healing
[26:34] in relationships. I find Rooponopono
[26:37] interesting because it is..." It's very simple,
[26:40] yet effective.
[26:43] When we say these phrases with a
[26:45] clear and sincere intention, they generate
[26:48] elevated feelings of compassion,
[26:51] gratitude, and a desire to restore
[26:54] inner peace.
[26:59] We begin by bringing to mind the
[27:01] attitude for which we ask forgiveness.
[27:04] For example, I was impatient and aggressive
[27:07] with that person. I made a serious mistake at
[27:10] work.
[27:12] I wished ill on someone. I have mistreated
[27:15] myself because of my failures. I
[27:18] blame myself for overeating. I
[27:21] judge myself for my weaknesses.
[27:24] Speak of the attitude objectively,
[27:28] without judgment.
[27:30] Then, we do the Ro-Poponopono.
[27:34] The first phrase is: "I'm sorry."
[27:37] This is an expression of
[27:39] sincere regret for the wrongdoing.
[27:42] Then comes, forgive me.
[27:45] Say this with the conviction that you
[27:48] deserve unconditional forgiveness.
[27:51] Next, I love you. This is you
[27:54] declaring love for yourself, your
[27:57] divine self, and your evolving human self.
[28:02] And finally, I am grateful.
[28:05] Here you thank for the opportunity for
[28:07] growth that the situation brought you and
[28:11] thank for the forgiveness that was already given even before
[28:14] you asked.
[28:17] You can Say the phrases as many times as
[28:20] you like and repeat the meditation for several
[28:24] days. Forgiving yourself is a process.
[28:29] And how would this meditation look?
[28:33] Let's try it.
[28:35] Close your eyes.
[28:52] With your eyes closed,
[28:54] bring your hands together over your heart.
[28:58] Try to feel your heartbeat
[29:01] .
[29:07] Feel the pulse of life within you.
[29:15] How precious is the life that pulsates within
[29:19] you.
[29:26] Feel your breath in your chest area.
[29:32] Rest in your breath for a few
[29:35] moments.
[29:45] In your mind, another you now appears
[29:50] before you. Looking
[29:53] at you,
[29:56] smiling at you.
[30:01] It is your divine self.
[30:04] It has a luminous aura around it, and
[30:08] its presence brings you much peace.
[30:12] Feel its presence.
[30:25] Aloud, tell your divine self the
[30:28] situation for which you intend to
[30:31] forgive yourself.
[30:44] Now repeat after me: I'm sorry.
[30:52] Forgive me.
[30:56] I love you. I
[31:00] am grateful. I'm sorry.
[31:09] Forgive me.
[31:12] I love you. I
[31:15] am grateful. I'm sorry
[31:23] . Forgive me.
[31:26] I love you.
[31:29] I am grateful.
[31:33] And now
[31:35] your two selves embrace.
[31:38] The human and the divine are Just one. I hope
[31:50] you're well.
[31:53] Hugs.
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[32:38] Self-Aware is a podcast distributed
[32:40] by Rede B9.
[32:43] Script and presentation by Regina
[32:45] Gianete.
[32:47] Editing by Somas.
[32:49] Jéssica Correa.