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Ambient Music Born From Nature: Field Recordings and Feeling

Ludvig Cimbrelius
Ludvig Cimbrelius
Oct 12, 2020
9 min de lectura
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At a New Year's party, a young producer hands a demo to a man who runs a record label, then spends the night refusing to let it be played. The label owner plays it anyway. When the producer gets home, the phone is already ringing: the room went quiet, everyone listened, and everyone wanted it released. That story anchors a 2018 conversation between Swedish ambient producer Ludvig Cimbrelius and the host Jason, published on YouTube in October 2020, and it opens a larger set of questions the talk keeps returning to. How do you describe music made from brooks, wind, and birdsong when genre words fail? Why does he think intention and emotion say more than a category? And what can music without words carry that speech cannot?

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Why is ambient music so hard to explain in one word?

Jason tells Cimbrelius he hears the work as "ambient techno," then admits that labeling it is difficult. Cimbrelius agrees the question is the hardest one he gets. "That question is usually like the hardest one for me to answer," he told Jason in the May 2018 conversation, explaining that he wants to "answer something that feels true in the moment rather than just like repeating genres or mentioning other artists."

He also rejects "electronic," which he says does not fit a body of work he hears as organic. The more useful word for him is ambient, and his description of it is precise. Ambient, he says, is "in the background of all the music I make," and beats may sit on top, but the atmosphere is the ground the rest stands on. That is a producer's way of hearing: the beat is a surface you can count, while the atmosphere is what you live inside.

The labeling problem is also a listening problem. Cimbrelius notes that people who hear "electronic" often picture dubstep or something heavy-hitting, not "the more mellow kinds, the more deeper kinds." His argument is that a genre name hides enormous variety. Techno, ambient, and pop each contain wildly different approaches, so naming the emotion or the intention behind a piece tells a listener more. For anyone trying to find music that moves them, this is a useful habit: describe what a track is trying to do before you decide what shelf it belongs on.

Where did the name Purl come from?

Purl was the first alias Cimbrelius took, around the age of 14. It came from the world around him. He was spending a great deal of time outdoors, and he wanted to turn that experience of nature into music. "Pearl" in the transcript is the brook: the name comes from the sound of a babbling stream, which he recorded and, in his words, was "just in love with."

That origin matters for how he hears electronic sound. The aliases that followed, Eternell and Illuvia, sit alongside his given name in the catalog he has released, but the first one began as a microphone pointed at water. In that sense the music's organic quality is not a metaphor. It starts with a recording of something that was already happening in a forest.

What did listening teach him before he could speak?

Cimbrelius describes his earliest memories as memories of sound. "My earliest memories are of music," he told Jason, adding that his parents later told him that before he could walk or talk, he would sit by the tape recorder listening intently to certain tapes. He had favorites. He had passages he would play again and again.

That early habit of returning to the same few minutes of sound became a pattern in his life. Through hard times, he says, music "was always the center that would like I could come back to." His teenage years were the hardest stretch. He describes feeling lost, not finding his place in school or in any sense of what to do with his life. Music and nature became the two places where he could reconnect, and at that point the work was deeply personal and private. Only later did he begin sending demos and wanting to release what he had been making for himself.

The same idea runs through his account of the process. For him, creating is about "being in the present moment and experiencing that music," translating what he feels inside into sound in a way that he enjoys while doing it. "If I'm not enjoying it then I'm not sharing the joy of it," he said. The music is not built to impress a listener first. It is built to hold the state he was in while making it.

How did a private recording reach a room full of listeners?

The turning point is the party story, and Cimbrelius tells it with the self-consciousness that clearly still stings. He had sent demos to the United States with no response. A friend at the party pointed to a man on the couch who ran a label and urged him to share a demo. The man invited him to a New Year's party and asked him to bring something to play. Cimbrelius refused. He brought the demo, and the man kept nagging him to put it on. "No no no," he kept saying, certain it would not happen during a party.

As soon as he left, the label owner played it. Cimbrelius got a call before he was home. "We put this on and everybody just you know came down in this silence and listened and everybody thought it was amazing," he recalled, as the label owner had described it. "And we want to release this."

"I think that experience just really showed me that like my music really had the power and ability to touch people in that way."

He says the moment brought a rush: "this is what I want to do." Read closely, the story is less about luck than about conditions. A room full of people at a party, with no one prepared to listen closely, went silent. The work was strong enough to make that happen. It is also a reminder that many experimental or quiet records are judged in situations that do not invite stillness at all.

What is actually inside a field-recording library?

Cimbrelius describes a sound archive that doubles as memory. Wind chimes recorded at different times in his life, some while traveling in France. Recordings from friends. Wind striking trees. He says he has kept nearly everything he ever recorded, moving it from hard drive to hard drive through each new computer. He wants to organize the collection and admits he never seems to find the time.

On one of the meditation pieces Jason asked about, he gathered wind and birds into a track built from those recordings, and he describes the birds as part of a meditative state he was in when he captured them. The point is not decoration. A recording of a bird or a chime is a time-stamped fragment of a specific place and moment, and assembled into an ambient piece it becomes a kind of audible diary. The listener does not need to know where the wind was recorded to feel the open air in it.

This is a practical lesson too. If you make ambient or atmospheric work, your field recordings are not just sound effects. They are the emotional material. Keeping them, labeling them, and returning to them is part of the craft, even when the organizing never quite gets done.

What is music for when it has no words?

Jason reads aloud a line from Cimbrelius's Bandcamp biography: "music is a language capable of expressing glimpses of the endless depths of beauty and wonder that resides within us all." Cimbrelius said he had worked hard on the wording of his descriptions, and hearing it spoken back made it feel true. The deeper claim is that instrumental music can say what speech cannot.

Jason makes the same point from the listener's side: the things you care about most are hard to talk about, because whatever words you use do not capture the essence. Cimbrelius agrees that describing the emotion and intention of a piece "seems to say more about what it is." For him, music without words is not a lack. It is the more direct route to the feeling he is trying to share, and his stated hope is that it "may help you find resonance with a loving essence of who you are."

That is a bold aim for an ambient record, and it is worth taking seriously. It asks the listener not to decode the music but to settle into it. Cimbrelius's own practice suggests what that looks like: attention to the present moment, sound gathered from real places, and a refusal to let genre or hype stand in for what the music is actually doing.

Where to go from here

The full conversation is the best way to hear Cimbrelius in his own words, especially the parts about the party and his early listening, which carry a warmth that no summary can reproduce. Then listen to the work itself. His catalog is spread across several names: his given name, Purl, Eternell, and Illuvia, each with its own Bandcamp or website presence. Start with Purl if you want the brook. Start with his own name if you want the broader range.

As an exercise, try the approach he describes. The next time you recommend a piece of ambient music, skip the genre and describe what it is trying to do, what it feels like to be inside, and what kind of moment it suits. The label will matter less than the experience, which is the point he keeps making.

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[0:01] all right hello everybody today i am

[0:04] joined by

[0:05] ludwig simbellius who is a electronic

[0:08] music producer from

[0:09] sweden uh ludwig thank you so much for

[0:12] being on podcast it's really an

[0:14] honor to have you and speak with you i'm

[0:15] a huge fan of your music

[0:17] it's my pleasure to be here thank you

[0:20] you

[0:20] produce music under a few different

[0:22] aliases but

[0:24] the one that i've been most listening to

[0:27] is your pearl

[0:28] alias i came across it a few months ago

[0:31] and i was just i immediately loved it

[0:34] it was just so deep and so relaxing um

[0:38] when people ask you what kind of music

[0:40] you produce how do you usually explain

[0:42] it because i

[0:43] for me i see it as you know ambient

[0:45] techno but it's kind of hard to

[0:47] label the kind of music you create

[0:49] because it's so unique in my

[0:50] opinion yeah that question is usually

[0:54] like the hardest one

[0:55] for me to answer when people are like oh

[0:58] so what do you do and i'm like i'm

[1:00] i create music and they ask like what

[1:02] kind of music and

[1:04] i always like start it's like i want to

[1:07] answer something that feels

[1:08] true in the moment rather than just like

[1:12] repeating genres or

[1:15] or you know mentioning other artists or

[1:18] things like that but

[1:20] um for me it's funny like the term

[1:23] electronic music even

[1:24] doesn't seem to fit because for me it's

[1:26] like so organic like pearl was my first

[1:30] uh it was the first alias that i took i

[1:33] think when i was around 14 years old

[1:35] and at that time in my life i was just

[1:37] spending so much time out in nature

[1:39] and i was like wanting to translate that

[1:42] experience

[1:43] of nature into music

[1:46] and pearl comes from like the sound of

[1:48] the

[1:49] brook you know the pearling brook so

[1:53] that sound i just i was just in love

[1:55] with that sound i was recording it and

[1:57] and um so for me it's like it's always

[1:59] been so organic

[2:00] and natural and then people call it

[2:03] electronic music

[2:04] i'm like um yeah kind of like you know

[2:07] like you said like you say ambient

[2:08] techno

[2:09] and it is i mean ambient is really like

[2:13] i find like ambient it's like in the

[2:15] background of all the music i make

[2:17] and then there might be like beats on

[2:19] top but you have this like

[2:21] atmosphere behind it

[2:25] and so i try to like describe you know

[2:28] maybe something like that like like an

[2:30] atmosphere or

[2:31] an ambient center and then um

[2:35] yeah i think when people hear electronic

[2:38] they assume you know

[2:39] dubstep or something heavy hitting yeah

[2:42] not the more

[2:43] mellow kinds the more deeper kinds of

[2:44] electronics that you create

[2:46] exactly and it's so much more like music

[2:49] is really like if you say

[2:50] techno or ambient or pop you know you

[2:53] have like these

[2:55] big differences in in how

[2:58] like people express in that genre it's

[3:01] really like

[3:02] it's almost better to speak about like

[3:05] the emotion

[3:06] of the music like what i'm trying to

[3:08] convey or the

[3:10] the intention behind it um because it

[3:13] seems to say more about

[3:15] what it is you know um

[3:18] and so i'm kind of like i'm

[3:22] i think it's hard to talk about the

[3:24] things you really care about

[3:26] because you feel like whatever words you

[3:29] you put on it you don't really yeah you

[3:32] don't capture the essence

[3:33] that leads me to um where i want to go

[3:36] next which is a

[3:37] a small quote from your pancake page

[3:39] that i like to read

[3:40] and even though you say it's hard to

[3:42] convey words i think what your friend

[3:44] does a very good job

[3:45] and you say music is a language

[3:49] capable of expressing glimpses of the

[3:51] endless depths of beauty

[3:52] and wonder that resides within us all

[3:55] the deepest wish i have

[3:56] in sharing my music is that it may help

[3:58] you find resonance

[3:59] with a loving essence of who you are and

[4:02] i think

[4:03] first of all that's just beautiful for

[4:04] writing i think you should be an author

[4:06] on the side maybe

[4:08] um oh thank you i really wanna lo

[4:11] no um what does this this passion this

[4:14] this drive this inspiration come from

[4:17] well first of all that was really

[4:18] beautiful to hear you read it because i

[4:22] i mean i always try to tweak you know

[4:25] these

[4:26] biographies and descriptions and to to

[4:29] to really say what i

[4:30] what i mean like and uh and that sounded

[4:34] so great when you said it now it's like

[4:35] when i heard your voice speaking it i

[4:37] was like yes i really nailed it

[4:39] well you wrote it so i can't take too

[4:40] much credit for it no but it's it's

[4:42] beautiful to hear it back because

[4:43] like then i could just listen and feel

[4:45] it and feel like yeah that feels true

[4:47] i mean for me personally in my life like

[4:50] my

[4:50] earliest memories are of music

[4:54] um and my parents have told me like when

[4:56] i don't remember the details like that

[4:58] but

[4:59] before i was like walking and speaking i

[5:01] was like listening intently

[5:03] and like sitting by the tape recorder

[5:04] and listening to

[5:06] to certain tapes and i had like my

[5:07] favorites and i had like parts i would

[5:09] listen to over and over

[5:11] we all run into you know struggles and

[5:13] hardships at times

[5:14] and at those times it was like music was

[5:17] always

[5:19] the center that would like i could come

[5:22] back to

[5:23] and sort of reconnect music and nature

[5:26] because when like during my teens i was

[5:29] feeling very lost

[5:30] and wasn't really like finding

[5:35] my place in the world you know in school

[5:37] and in like what you want to do with

[5:39] your life and

[5:40] it was really something very personal

[5:42] and private

[5:43] and then at some point i just started

[5:46] sending demos and wanted to start

[5:47] releasing music

[5:48] it's about being in the present moment

[5:51] and experiencing that music

[5:55] like translating that that i feel like i

[5:58] wrote in the text like this

[5:59] that i feel inside into something

[6:02] into sound in a way that i'm

[6:06] enjoying that you know experience when

[6:08] i'm doing it if i'm not enjoying it

[6:10] then i'm not sharing the joy of it you

[6:13] so you mentioned that initially your

[6:14] music was

[6:15] you know it was for yourself it was very

[6:17] personal and still it's very personal

[6:20] what was the what was it liked when you

[6:23] decided that

[6:24] hey maybe i should start sharing this

[6:25] music with other people

[6:27] i was at a party and uh

[6:31] someone told me like that guy in the

[6:32] couch there he has a record label

[6:35] and i think i had i don't know if i had

[6:36] sent demos before that but then i had

[6:38] sent demos to like you know united

[6:40] states and

[6:42] and i hadn't really got i don't think he

[6:44] had gotten any response

[6:46] so it was like far away and then

[6:49] my friend was like he has a record label

[6:51] you should talk to him and you should

[6:52] give him a demo

[6:54] so i started talking to him and he was

[6:56] really nice and he invited me to his

[6:58] uh i think it was new years like to this

[7:01] new year's party and he said like bring

[7:02] a demo we'll put it on

[7:04] and i was like no way you're gonna put

[7:06] that on during the party that's like not

[7:08] gonna happen

[7:10] so i came and i gave him the demo and he

[7:12] was like he kept like nagging at me to

[7:14] put it on and i was just like no

[7:16] no no and then as soon as i left

[7:19] he put it on and then when i got home he

[7:21] gave me a call

[7:22] already and he said like um

[7:25] because i don't know i was just so

[7:27] self-conscious about it

[7:29] and um he said like we put this on and

[7:31] everybody just

[7:32] you know came down in this silence and

[7:36] listened and everybody thought it was

[7:38] amazing and we want to release this

[7:40] wow so that was like you know it was

[7:43] just really big

[7:44] for me i think that experience just

[7:46] really showed me

[7:48] that like my music

[7:52] really had the power and ability to

[7:55] touch people in that way and

[8:00] there was this rush this feeling like

[8:02] yeah this is what

[8:03] i want to do i listened to um

[8:06] two of the tracks from your newest album

[8:08] that you've put out so far and they're

[8:10] like the meditation pieces and they were

[8:12] really really nice yeah

[8:14] and in the second track were there uh

[8:16] samples of like a bamboo wind chime or

[8:18] something in the beginning or one of the

[8:19] one of the tracks

[8:21] yeah it sounded like it had there's a

[8:23] wooden

[8:24] wind chime is hanging out here

[8:27] and then there are some other wind

[8:29] chimes that i recorded

[8:31] different times in my life i think some

[8:32] of them were recorded in france when i

[8:34] was traveling friends

[8:35] so i have this like library with you

[8:38] know

[8:39] actually i still have all the sounds i

[8:41] ever

[8:43] recorded like pretty much because i i

[8:45] moved it from hard drive to hard drive

[8:47] to

[8:48] a new computer so i have this pretty big

[8:50] library and

[8:52] i always want to organize it but i know

[8:55] but i never had the time to go through

[8:56] it all but

[8:58] so i have these sounds so yeah i was

[8:59] gathering up some

[9:01] in that track some sounds of just wind

[9:04] like the theme is just so it's just

[9:05] recordings of wind and

[9:06] um how wind is like hitting trees

[9:10] and and hitting uh the

[9:14] the wind shines i'd like to read another

[9:16] quote this one is from your facebook

[9:18] page

[9:18] um you say as a child i found my refuge

[9:22] in nature

[9:23] i chose the artist named pearl for the

[9:25] music i was creating

[9:26] as a tribute to the sounds of nature the

[9:29] intention behind pearl is to be an

[9:31] expression of the

[9:32] serenity and depth of our natural state

[9:37] what i would like to know is what do you

[9:38] see as the relationship

[9:40] between nature and music because

[9:44] nature can seem you know chaotic and

[9:46] random

[9:47] while music is deliberate and

[9:49] orchestrated

[9:50] so how do you see the two worlds

[9:53] colliding

[9:53] wow that's a really interesting question

[9:56] even like if you listen to birds or if

[9:58] you listen to nature

[9:59] there is this kind of it's not just like

[10:02] chaotic

[10:03] you know it's like there is this kind of

[10:05] like i'm just hearing birds in the

[10:07] background now

[10:09] to me that's like musical you know i

[10:12] even had like

[10:13] this moment when i was like walking out

[10:15] in the woods

[10:16] and i live outside of a small town now

[10:19] but there are like roads

[10:21] everywhere close by and i was like in

[10:23] this

[10:24] very pristine

[10:27] meditative state where i was just like

[10:29] walking around just

[10:30] the trees were beautiful i was really

[10:32] happy it was just there

[10:33] and then i started hearing this

[10:34] beautiful sound and i'm like just

[10:36] wow what is that it's like this

[10:39] magnificent droning sound

[10:41] and it's just growing and growing and

[10:42] i'm just like oh my god and it's a car

[10:45] you know it's like a big car coming on

[10:47] the road

[10:48] and i was so i was so in that state that

[10:51] i wasn't like

[10:52] you know because normally you're like

[10:54] okay i'm out in nature oh you know

[10:56] it's a car but you know in that openness

[10:59] it's just like that becomes

[11:01] beautiful you know that becomes musical

[11:04] and moments like that

[11:06] you know um they just remind me

[11:10] that you we can sort of find that

[11:14] quality

[11:15] of beauty like or musicality or whatever

[11:18] uh in pretty much anything and i

[11:21] you know when i'm like when i was going

[11:24] to school

[11:25] in the city i would like always notice

[11:28] that people were walking

[11:29] in you know in rhythm to the beat to the

[11:32] song i was listening to

[11:34] or seeing like two different things

[11:35] happening and just noticing like wow

[11:37] there's a rhythm there's like a groove

[11:39] happening in between

[11:40] those those two separate things so

[11:43] if you really want to go deep with the

[11:47] question it's like i feel like the

[11:48] there is like this intention behind

[11:50] everything this sort of

[11:52] order behind everything in the universe

[11:54] that is

[11:55] it's not chaotic it's not random there

[11:58] is like

[11:58] intention behind it and music like

[12:01] that's just humans

[12:02] you know giving shape with our intention

[12:05] and sometimes i feel silly because you

[12:06] know my instagram i have

[12:07] you know just hundreds of photos of the

[12:09] sky and

[12:11] you know trees and i'm like are people

[12:12] really tired of this now

[12:14] but then i'm like hey i'm not tired of

[12:16] it you know like i

[12:17] this is a new day the light is different

[12:20] now this tree looks different today

[12:22] that's beautiful yeah every day is

[12:25] special every day is different

[12:26] indeed indeed it's like we're in these

[12:30] patterns but just noticing things that

[12:33] happen that are different

[12:34] like you say every day is new like i

[12:36] today is totally new for me i've never

[12:38] had

[12:38] an interview experience like this

[12:40] [Laughter]

[12:42] it's really exciting most of the music

[12:44] that i've heard from you has been

[12:46] completely instrumental and i think most

[12:49] of my music library is

[12:51] instrumental um no no lyrics just

[12:54] instruments and when i tell this to

[12:56] people all the time they they give me

[12:58] this look

[12:59] they're like um what do you mean no

[13:01] words and tell them my music is

[13:02] no words i really don't like music the

[13:04] lyrics in them and

[13:06] i think a lot of people assume that a

[13:08] music or a song doesn't have words and

[13:10] it's

[13:11] boring or it's pointless and it doesn't

[13:14] tell a story and i'd love to hear

[13:16] um what are your thoughts on this this

[13:18] mindset that

[13:19] music has to have words right

[13:22] that's such a great question too

[13:26] um yeah i mean i've listened

[13:29] mainly to instrumental music like my

[13:32] entire life

[13:33] and even when i listened to music with

[13:35] lyrics i wouldn't hear

[13:37] like the words like i would listen to

[13:39] these songs and how i

[13:40] that i would love you know but i didn't

[13:42] really know what the lyrics were about

[13:45] and then i would find out later i'm like

[13:46] oh really it's about

[13:49] so um for me i think um

[13:52] when you know if i have the lyrics then

[13:56] i really

[13:56] i capture your attention and i tell the

[13:59] story

[14:00] and i

[14:03] it becomes kind of narrow it becomes

[14:05] like this storyline

[14:06] where it's just like okay we're going

[14:08] from point a to point b this is i'm

[14:10] human i'm having these experiences blah

[14:11] blah blah

[14:13] and there is like there's absolutely

[14:15] nothing wrong with that

[14:16] and sometimes i love you know uh

[14:19] listening to music where

[14:21] someone just sings about their life

[14:23] their experience whatever and just you

[14:25] know sometimes you can relate

[14:27] a lot to that and i think maybe for many

[14:30] people when it's instrumental

[14:32] they might feel a bit lost because

[14:34] they're not

[14:36] told what to think what to feel it's

[14:39] like

[14:40] when instrumental music there is more

[14:42] space

[14:43] for you to to have your own experience

[14:46] that's what music has been for me it's

[14:48] been this space where i can

[14:49] you know be with myself and

[14:53] it becomes more like narrow when

[14:56] somebody tells me what to feel

[14:58] and then i have to find like music or

[15:01] lyrics that are just right for the

[15:02] moment i mean often this happens that

[15:04] you know a song will come on and it

[15:06] would just be like yeah and then there's

[15:07] like lyrics that just don't fit

[15:09] with woman but it's it's fun because now

[15:13] like for the past two years so after

[15:16] doing like

[15:17] instrumental music and i have been

[15:19] singing a lot but i usually

[15:21] put my voice very far back

[15:24] in the past it was because i didn't i

[15:27] felt embarrassed you know about the

[15:28] sound of my voice so i was like

[15:30] i had to just drown it in reverb urban

[15:33] effects and put it so nobody could hear

[15:36] it except me

[15:37] um but but there are a few songwriters

[15:40] i just uh uh and vocalists that i really

[15:44] admire so i i'm like aspiring to

[15:46] something

[15:48] something in that direction where

[15:53] just where like the the words doesn't

[15:55] take over

[15:56] the whole experience where there's still

[15:58] like space left to

[16:00] to have your own interpretation and to

[16:03] for the story to mean something for you

[16:05] and i think that's really an art and one

[16:07] that i look forward to

[16:09] you know exploring for a long time and

[16:12] because i feel like i'm just

[16:13] in the beginning of that do you think

[16:16] that

[16:16] the kind of music you create you know

[16:18] very

[16:19] deeper ambient type of electronic music

[16:22] do you think that will ever become

[16:24] popular

[16:27] that's a great question so funny the the

[16:29] like spontaneous answer was just like

[16:31] yes and then i was like that's fun

[16:35] um yes i think i think it is becoming

[16:38] popular because

[16:40] i noticed that more and more people are

[16:43] meditating

[16:44] because more and more people are feeling

[16:46] this you know

[16:47] um stress this dissonance you know of

[16:51] not being in

[16:52] in sync with themselves what we seek

[16:55] like what we always seek

[16:56] is to feel good you know is to find

[16:59] happiness

[17:00] however we perceive that you know

[17:03] and when i feel like today more and more

[17:06] people are discovering that happiness is

[17:08] really

[17:09] to be in harmony with myself and it's

[17:12] not

[17:13] to be found in another person in a

[17:15] relationship in a

[17:16] particular position on a in a job or

[17:20] or in a certain financial

[17:23] um status it's it's like

[17:27] it's really something to be found within

[17:30] and i feel like that's where this

[17:33] ambient music really comes in

[17:35] as a very powerful um

[17:39] aid to just allow people to

[17:43] to settle down in the moment and just be

[17:46] because even like when your mind i've

[17:48] been meditating for years

[17:50] and i mean still my mind is just racing

[17:53] sometimes you know i just

[17:54] can't stop the thoughts they want to

[17:56] like of all the problems

[17:58] it perceives in my life you know and

[18:00] then to have something to focus on

[18:02] like something that just you know i just

[18:04] focus on

[18:05] the sound or this music it just helps

[18:09] to just release that momentum and just

[18:12] come back and be still

[18:13] and i think that is just going to

[18:14] increase like people

[18:18] because in one sense everything is

[18:21] sort of accelerating it feels like we

[18:24] have this like

[18:25] you know technological evolution

[18:28] going on that is just like it's just

[18:30] accelerating

[18:31] and new like arenas of expression

[18:35] and connection are opening up all the

[18:36] time where now like people are

[18:38] connected all the time they have all

[18:40] their friends you know with them all the

[18:41] time they have all the relationships

[18:43] and this just creates like it's like

[18:47] a lot of beautiful possibilities for

[18:48] connection but you need to manage that

[18:51] and you need space to just be with

[18:53] yourself

[18:54] and i think that is really like where

[18:57] ambient music

[18:58] is going to become more and more popular

[18:59] and i think what your friends like what

[19:01] you said about when

[19:03] when you talk about instrumental music

[19:05] that they're like

[19:06] you know wondering what's that about i

[19:09] think you know that is

[19:12] more and more people are gonna just

[19:13] understand and and create that

[19:16] and i can see this because my where i

[19:17] have my largest audience is in this

[19:19] meditation app

[19:20] called insights timer which i think is

[19:23] like the largest

[19:24] meditation uh community

[19:27] online and uh i have like

[19:32] the the the numbers the number of

[19:34] listeners i have there

[19:35] is like way way way more than i have any

[19:38] other place

[19:39] and it's totally free and i just share

[19:42] like my music there and i receive

[19:45] so much appreciation and it's funny

[19:48] because they invited me

[19:49] i didn't even know this app existed they

[19:52] found me

[19:52] invited me i started sharing my music

[19:54] and i realized wow

[19:56] before then i was just like oh you know

[19:57] i just felt like a weirdo

[19:59] making you know like i was just out in

[20:01] the woods you know making ambient music

[20:04] and yes and like this little niche that

[20:07] you know certain people were interested

[20:10] in but it was like very small and then

[20:11] all of a sudden i'm like wow everybody's

[20:13] loving this

[20:14] and uh i became like one like i don't

[20:17] know

[20:18] i don't even know the numbers but they

[20:21] when i met them they said i was like one

[20:22] of the

[20:23] biggest music public publishers on the

[20:26] app and i'm just like wow

[20:28] that was just that just happened

[20:31] and it just showed me that wow i'm

[20:33] really on track you know with my music

[20:34] because

[20:35] at times in my life i felt like so like

[20:37] like what am i doing with my life

[20:39] because it's not been so easy to to make

[20:41] a living from

[20:43] from from the music at all times and i

[20:46] mean it still

[20:47] is sort of a interesting puzzle for me

[20:49] to figure out

[20:51] how to make all the you know things

[20:53] connect

[20:54] but um it just showed me like there's

[20:56] really a future here

[20:57] there's a lot of people who appreciate

[20:59] this this really has a place in people's

[21:01] lives

[21:03] there is and i start to like then i

[21:04] start to feel like i'm actually adding a

[21:06] lot of benefits

[21:08] to people's lives and when i when i

[21:10] start to forget that

[21:12] that's when it really starts to feel

[21:14] pointless you know but then to be

[21:16] reminded to have people like you who

[21:17] reach out and just say like i was really

[21:19] touched by your music

[21:20] and some people have written me like how

[21:23] the music

[21:24] would just support them during a

[21:26] difficult phase in their life

[21:28] and those kind of messages i just i

[21:31] saved them in this

[21:32] like folder to read on a rainy day you

[21:34] know just to remind myself like that

[21:37] there is this yeah this is like my gift

[21:41] this is my gift to the world this is the

[21:43] most beautiful thing i know

[21:45] and this is what i want to share and i

[21:48] really believe that there is

[21:49] uh yeah there's a big future

[21:54] for music that is like you know

[21:56] conducive for just well-being

[21:59] and for just being with ourselves

[22:03] luvig i want to thank you not only for

[22:06] joining me in the podcast today but for

[22:08] the music you've created

[22:10] i i cannot say that all the songs i

[22:12] listen to now i'll be listening to

[22:14] in 20 years from now but i'm very

[22:15] confident that

[22:17] many many years from now i will still be

[22:18] listening to your music and i really

[22:20] i look forward to seeing where you go

[22:22] with your music and with your life

[22:24] and um i just want to say thank you for

[22:27] bringing your music to the world as you

[22:28] say it is your gift and i want to thank

[22:30] you for

[22:30] for sharing it with everybody so

[22:34] your stuff is beautiful he's so talented

[22:36] and so unique

[22:37] and yes once again just you know thank

[22:40] you that's so beautiful to hear and it

[22:41] means a lot

[22:42] and yeah i'm just grateful for

[22:46] you know you wanting to connect with me

[22:48] wanting to listen to me talk and

[22:51] for doing this interview and yeah it's

[22:54] beautiful

[22:54] so thank you so much maybe you can touch

[22:57] base again in the future

[22:58] absolutely i would love to have this

[23:00] conversation again in

[23:02] a year or something and see where where

[23:04] things ended up

[23:05] yeah for both of us well i once again i

[23:09] wish you the best of luck with

[23:10] everything and um i

[23:11] hope you have a wonderful evening thanks

[23:14] you too

[23:15] so all right are we ending i'm just uh

[23:19] wondering if we're ending the recording

[23:20] or actually saying goodbye

[23:23] um i i i'm not sure because i was just

[23:27] going for a goodbye i was kind of caught

[23:28] up in the moment you know

[23:30] i kind of forgot about the camera i

[23:31] didn't even know we're doing a podcast

[23:33] anymore

[23:34] and i was just ruining it because i was

[23:35] like i don't know if he's gonna hang out

[23:36] with me now

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Ludvig Cimbrelius is a composer who has recorded since 1999 under aliases such as Purl, Eternell and Illuvia and under his own name, making meditative music meant to help listeners…

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In this conversation, Ludvig Cimbrelius describes ambient as the atmosphere that sits behind everything, with beats sometimes layered on top. The host called his work ambient techno, but Cimbrelius says genre labels are hard to pin down and prefers to describe the emotion and intention of a piece.
Purl was the first alias Ludvig Cimbrelius used, taken around age 14. It comes from the sound of a brook he recorded while spending time in nature, which he has described as the pearling brook.
For Cimbrelius, recordings of wind, birds, chimes, and friends' sounds are the emotional material of his work, not just effects. He has kept nearly everything he has recorded, so each piece can carry a fragment of a specific place and moment.
He had sent demos abroad without a response, then brought a demo to a New Year's party at the invitation of a label owner. The label owner played it after he left, and the room reportedly went silent before the label asked to release it.
Cimbrelius argues that words often fail to capture what matters most, and that music can express glimpses of depth and beauty that speech cannot. He hopes listeners will find resonance with a loving essence of who they are, rather than decode the music.
His music appears under his given name and under the aliases Purl, Eternell, and Illuvia, according to the description of the video. Each has its own Bandcamp or website presence.

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