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[0:01] all right hello everybody today i am
[0:04] joined by
[0:05] ludwig simbellius who is a electronic
[0:08] music producer from
[0:09] sweden uh ludwig thank you so much for
[0:12] being on podcast it's really an
[0:14] honor to have you and speak with you i'm
[0:15] a huge fan of your music
[0:17] it's my pleasure to be here thank you
[0:20] you
[0:20] produce music under a few different
[0:22] aliases but
[0:24] the one that i've been most listening to
[0:27] is your pearl
[0:28] alias i came across it a few months ago
[0:31] and i was just i immediately loved it
[0:34] it was just so deep and so relaxing um
[0:38] when people ask you what kind of music
[0:40] you produce how do you usually explain
[0:42] it because i
[0:43] for me i see it as you know ambient
[0:45] techno but it's kind of hard to
[0:47] label the kind of music you create
[0:49] because it's so unique in my
[0:50] opinion yeah that question is usually
[0:54] like the hardest one
[0:55] for me to answer when people are like oh
[0:58] so what do you do and i'm like i'm
[1:00] i create music and they ask like what
[1:02] kind of music and
[1:04] i always like start it's like i want to
[1:07] answer something that feels
[1:08] true in the moment rather than just like
[1:12] repeating genres or
[1:15] or you know mentioning other artists or
[1:18] things like that but
[1:20] um for me it's funny like the term
[1:23] electronic music even
[1:24] doesn't seem to fit because for me it's
[1:26] like so organic like pearl was my first
[1:30] uh it was the first alias that i took i
[1:33] think when i was around 14 years old
[1:35] and at that time in my life i was just
[1:37] spending so much time out in nature
[1:39] and i was like wanting to translate that
[1:42] experience
[1:43] of nature into music
[1:46] and pearl comes from like the sound of
[1:48] the
[1:49] brook you know the pearling brook so
[1:53] that sound i just i was just in love
[1:55] with that sound i was recording it and
[1:57] and um so for me it's like it's always
[1:59] been so organic
[2:00] and natural and then people call it
[2:03] electronic music
[2:04] i'm like um yeah kind of like you know
[2:07] like you said like you say ambient
[2:08] techno
[2:09] and it is i mean ambient is really like
[2:13] i find like ambient it's like in the
[2:15] background of all the music i make
[2:17] and then there might be like beats on
[2:19] top but you have this like
[2:21] atmosphere behind it
[2:25] and so i try to like describe you know
[2:28] maybe something like that like like an
[2:30] atmosphere or
[2:31] an ambient center and then um
[2:35] yeah i think when people hear electronic
[2:38] they assume you know
[2:39] dubstep or something heavy hitting yeah
[2:42] not the more
[2:43] mellow kinds the more deeper kinds of
[2:44] electronics that you create
[2:46] exactly and it's so much more like music
[2:49] is really like if you say
[2:50] techno or ambient or pop you know you
[2:53] have like these
[2:55] big differences in in how
[2:58] like people express in that genre it's
[3:01] really like
[3:02] it's almost better to speak about like
[3:05] the emotion
[3:06] of the music like what i'm trying to
[3:08] convey or the
[3:10] the intention behind it um because it
[3:13] seems to say more about
[3:15] what it is you know um
[3:18] and so i'm kind of like i'm
[3:22] i think it's hard to talk about the
[3:24] things you really care about
[3:26] because you feel like whatever words you
[3:29] you put on it you don't really yeah you
[3:32] don't capture the essence
[3:33] that leads me to um where i want to go
[3:36] next which is a
[3:37] a small quote from your pancake page
[3:39] that i like to read
[3:40] and even though you say it's hard to
[3:42] convey words i think what your friend
[3:44] does a very good job
[3:45] and you say music is a language
[3:49] capable of expressing glimpses of the
[3:51] endless depths of beauty
[3:52] and wonder that resides within us all
[3:55] the deepest wish i have
[3:56] in sharing my music is that it may help
[3:58] you find resonance
[3:59] with a loving essence of who you are and
[4:02] i think
[4:03] first of all that's just beautiful for
[4:04] writing i think you should be an author
[4:06] on the side maybe
[4:08] um oh thank you i really wanna lo
[4:11] no um what does this this passion this
[4:14] this drive this inspiration come from
[4:17] well first of all that was really
[4:18] beautiful to hear you read it because i
[4:22] i mean i always try to tweak you know
[4:25] these
[4:26] biographies and descriptions and to to
[4:29] to really say what i
[4:30] what i mean like and uh and that sounded
[4:34] so great when you said it now it's like
[4:35] when i heard your voice speaking it i
[4:37] was like yes i really nailed it
[4:39] well you wrote it so i can't take too
[4:40] much credit for it no but it's it's
[4:42] beautiful to hear it back because
[4:43] like then i could just listen and feel
[4:45] it and feel like yeah that feels true
[4:47] i mean for me personally in my life like
[4:50] my
[4:50] earliest memories are of music
[4:54] um and my parents have told me like when
[4:56] i don't remember the details like that
[4:58] but
[4:59] before i was like walking and speaking i
[5:01] was like listening intently
[5:03] and like sitting by the tape recorder
[5:04] and listening to
[5:06] to certain tapes and i had like my
[5:07] favorites and i had like parts i would
[5:09] listen to over and over
[5:11] we all run into you know struggles and
[5:13] hardships at times
[5:14] and at those times it was like music was
[5:17] always
[5:19] the center that would like i could come
[5:22] back to
[5:23] and sort of reconnect music and nature
[5:26] because when like during my teens i was
[5:29] feeling very lost
[5:30] and wasn't really like finding
[5:35] my place in the world you know in school
[5:37] and in like what you want to do with
[5:39] your life and
[5:40] it was really something very personal
[5:42] and private
[5:43] and then at some point i just started
[5:46] sending demos and wanted to start
[5:47] releasing music
[5:48] it's about being in the present moment
[5:51] and experiencing that music
[5:55] like translating that that i feel like i
[5:58] wrote in the text like this
[5:59] that i feel inside into something
[6:02] into sound in a way that i'm
[6:06] enjoying that you know experience when
[6:08] i'm doing it if i'm not enjoying it
[6:10] then i'm not sharing the joy of it you
[6:13] so you mentioned that initially your
[6:14] music was
[6:15] you know it was for yourself it was very
[6:17] personal and still it's very personal
[6:20] what was the what was it liked when you
[6:23] decided that
[6:24] hey maybe i should start sharing this
[6:25] music with other people
[6:27] i was at a party and uh
[6:31] someone told me like that guy in the
[6:32] couch there he has a record label
[6:35] and i think i had i don't know if i had
[6:36] sent demos before that but then i had
[6:38] sent demos to like you know united
[6:40] states and
[6:42] and i hadn't really got i don't think he
[6:44] had gotten any response
[6:46] so it was like far away and then
[6:49] my friend was like he has a record label
[6:51] you should talk to him and you should
[6:52] give him a demo
[6:54] so i started talking to him and he was
[6:56] really nice and he invited me to his
[6:58] uh i think it was new years like to this
[7:01] new year's party and he said like bring
[7:02] a demo we'll put it on
[7:04] and i was like no way you're gonna put
[7:06] that on during the party that's like not
[7:08] gonna happen
[7:10] so i came and i gave him the demo and he
[7:12] was like he kept like nagging at me to
[7:14] put it on and i was just like no
[7:16] no no and then as soon as i left
[7:19] he put it on and then when i got home he
[7:21] gave me a call
[7:22] already and he said like um
[7:25] because i don't know i was just so
[7:27] self-conscious about it
[7:29] and um he said like we put this on and
[7:31] everybody just
[7:32] you know came down in this silence and
[7:36] listened and everybody thought it was
[7:38] amazing and we want to release this
[7:40] wow so that was like you know it was
[7:43] just really big
[7:44] for me i think that experience just
[7:46] really showed me
[7:48] that like my music
[7:52] really had the power and ability to
[7:55] touch people in that way and
[8:00] there was this rush this feeling like
[8:02] yeah this is what
[8:03] i want to do i listened to um
[8:06] two of the tracks from your newest album
[8:08] that you've put out so far and they're
[8:10] like the meditation pieces and they were
[8:12] really really nice yeah
[8:14] and in the second track were there uh
[8:16] samples of like a bamboo wind chime or
[8:18] something in the beginning or one of the
[8:19] one of the tracks
[8:21] yeah it sounded like it had there's a
[8:23] wooden
[8:24] wind chime is hanging out here
[8:27] and then there are some other wind
[8:29] chimes that i recorded
[8:31] different times in my life i think some
[8:32] of them were recorded in france when i
[8:34] was traveling friends
[8:35] so i have this like library with you
[8:38] know
[8:39] actually i still have all the sounds i
[8:41] ever
[8:43] recorded like pretty much because i i
[8:45] moved it from hard drive to hard drive
[8:47] to
[8:48] a new computer so i have this pretty big
[8:50] library and
[8:52] i always want to organize it but i know
[8:55] but i never had the time to go through
[8:56] it all but
[8:58] so i have these sounds so yeah i was
[8:59] gathering up some
[9:01] in that track some sounds of just wind
[9:04] like the theme is just so it's just
[9:05] recordings of wind and
[9:06] um how wind is like hitting trees
[9:10] and and hitting uh the
[9:14] the wind shines i'd like to read another
[9:16] quote this one is from your facebook
[9:18] page
[9:18] um you say as a child i found my refuge
[9:22] in nature
[9:23] i chose the artist named pearl for the
[9:25] music i was creating
[9:26] as a tribute to the sounds of nature the
[9:29] intention behind pearl is to be an
[9:31] expression of the
[9:32] serenity and depth of our natural state
[9:37] what i would like to know is what do you
[9:38] see as the relationship
[9:40] between nature and music because
[9:44] nature can seem you know chaotic and
[9:46] random
[9:47] while music is deliberate and
[9:49] orchestrated
[9:50] so how do you see the two worlds
[9:53] colliding
[9:53] wow that's a really interesting question
[9:56] even like if you listen to birds or if
[9:58] you listen to nature
[9:59] there is this kind of it's not just like
[10:02] chaotic
[10:03] you know it's like there is this kind of
[10:05] like i'm just hearing birds in the
[10:07] background now
[10:09] to me that's like musical you know i
[10:12] even had like
[10:13] this moment when i was like walking out
[10:15] in the woods
[10:16] and i live outside of a small town now
[10:19] but there are like roads
[10:21] everywhere close by and i was like in
[10:23] this
[10:24] very pristine
[10:27] meditative state where i was just like
[10:29] walking around just
[10:30] the trees were beautiful i was really
[10:32] happy it was just there
[10:33] and then i started hearing this
[10:34] beautiful sound and i'm like just
[10:36] wow what is that it's like this
[10:39] magnificent droning sound
[10:41] and it's just growing and growing and
[10:42] i'm just like oh my god and it's a car
[10:45] you know it's like a big car coming on
[10:47] the road
[10:48] and i was so i was so in that state that
[10:51] i wasn't like
[10:52] you know because normally you're like
[10:54] okay i'm out in nature oh you know
[10:56] it's a car but you know in that openness
[10:59] it's just like that becomes
[11:01] beautiful you know that becomes musical
[11:04] and moments like that
[11:06] you know um they just remind me
[11:10] that you we can sort of find that
[11:14] quality
[11:15] of beauty like or musicality or whatever
[11:18] uh in pretty much anything and i
[11:21] you know when i'm like when i was going
[11:24] to school
[11:25] in the city i would like always notice
[11:28] that people were walking
[11:29] in you know in rhythm to the beat to the
[11:32] song i was listening to
[11:34] or seeing like two different things
[11:35] happening and just noticing like wow
[11:37] there's a rhythm there's like a groove
[11:39] happening in between
[11:40] those those two separate things so
[11:43] if you really want to go deep with the
[11:47] question it's like i feel like the
[11:48] there is like this intention behind
[11:50] everything this sort of
[11:52] order behind everything in the universe
[11:54] that is
[11:55] it's not chaotic it's not random there
[11:58] is like
[11:58] intention behind it and music like
[12:01] that's just humans
[12:02] you know giving shape with our intention
[12:05] and sometimes i feel silly because you
[12:06] know my instagram i have
[12:07] you know just hundreds of photos of the
[12:09] sky and
[12:11] you know trees and i'm like are people
[12:12] really tired of this now
[12:14] but then i'm like hey i'm not tired of
[12:16] it you know like i
[12:17] this is a new day the light is different
[12:20] now this tree looks different today
[12:22] that's beautiful yeah every day is
[12:25] special every day is different
[12:26] indeed indeed it's like we're in these
[12:30] patterns but just noticing things that
[12:33] happen that are different
[12:34] like you say every day is new like i
[12:36] today is totally new for me i've never
[12:38] had
[12:38] an interview experience like this
[12:40] [Laughter]
[12:42] it's really exciting most of the music
[12:44] that i've heard from you has been
[12:46] completely instrumental and i think most
[12:49] of my music library is
[12:51] instrumental um no no lyrics just
[12:54] instruments and when i tell this to
[12:56] people all the time they they give me
[12:58] this look
[12:59] they're like um what do you mean no
[13:01] words and tell them my music is
[13:02] no words i really don't like music the
[13:04] lyrics in them and
[13:06] i think a lot of people assume that a
[13:08] music or a song doesn't have words and
[13:10] it's
[13:11] boring or it's pointless and it doesn't
[13:14] tell a story and i'd love to hear
[13:16] um what are your thoughts on this this
[13:18] mindset that
[13:19] music has to have words right
[13:22] that's such a great question too
[13:26] um yeah i mean i've listened
[13:29] mainly to instrumental music like my
[13:32] entire life
[13:33] and even when i listened to music with
[13:35] lyrics i wouldn't hear
[13:37] like the words like i would listen to
[13:39] these songs and how i
[13:40] that i would love you know but i didn't
[13:42] really know what the lyrics were about
[13:45] and then i would find out later i'm like
[13:46] oh really it's about
[13:49] so um for me i think um
[13:52] when you know if i have the lyrics then
[13:56] i really
[13:56] i capture your attention and i tell the
[13:59] story
[14:00] and i
[14:03] it becomes kind of narrow it becomes
[14:05] like this storyline
[14:06] where it's just like okay we're going
[14:08] from point a to point b this is i'm
[14:10] human i'm having these experiences blah
[14:11] blah blah
[14:13] and there is like there's absolutely
[14:15] nothing wrong with that
[14:16] and sometimes i love you know uh
[14:19] listening to music where
[14:21] someone just sings about their life
[14:23] their experience whatever and just you
[14:25] know sometimes you can relate
[14:27] a lot to that and i think maybe for many
[14:30] people when it's instrumental
[14:32] they might feel a bit lost because
[14:34] they're not
[14:36] told what to think what to feel it's
[14:39] like
[14:40] when instrumental music there is more
[14:42] space
[14:43] for you to to have your own experience
[14:46] that's what music has been for me it's
[14:48] been this space where i can
[14:49] you know be with myself and
[14:53] it becomes more like narrow when
[14:56] somebody tells me what to feel
[14:58] and then i have to find like music or
[15:01] lyrics that are just right for the
[15:02] moment i mean often this happens that
[15:04] you know a song will come on and it
[15:06] would just be like yeah and then there's
[15:07] like lyrics that just don't fit
[15:09] with woman but it's it's fun because now
[15:13] like for the past two years so after
[15:16] doing like
[15:17] instrumental music and i have been
[15:19] singing a lot but i usually
[15:21] put my voice very far back
[15:24] in the past it was because i didn't i
[15:27] felt embarrassed you know about the
[15:28] sound of my voice so i was like
[15:30] i had to just drown it in reverb urban
[15:33] effects and put it so nobody could hear
[15:36] it except me
[15:37] um but but there are a few songwriters
[15:40] i just uh uh and vocalists that i really
[15:44] admire so i i'm like aspiring to
[15:46] something
[15:48] something in that direction where
[15:53] just where like the the words doesn't
[15:55] take over
[15:56] the whole experience where there's still
[15:58] like space left to
[16:00] to have your own interpretation and to
[16:03] for the story to mean something for you
[16:05] and i think that's really an art and one
[16:07] that i look forward to
[16:09] you know exploring for a long time and
[16:12] because i feel like i'm just
[16:13] in the beginning of that do you think
[16:16] that
[16:16] the kind of music you create you know
[16:18] very
[16:19] deeper ambient type of electronic music
[16:22] do you think that will ever become
[16:24] popular
[16:27] that's a great question so funny the the
[16:29] like spontaneous answer was just like
[16:31] yes and then i was like that's fun
[16:35] um yes i think i think it is becoming
[16:38] popular because
[16:40] i noticed that more and more people are
[16:43] meditating
[16:44] because more and more people are feeling
[16:46] this you know
[16:47] um stress this dissonance you know of
[16:51] not being in
[16:52] in sync with themselves what we seek
[16:55] like what we always seek
[16:56] is to feel good you know is to find
[16:59] happiness
[17:00] however we perceive that you know
[17:03] and when i feel like today more and more
[17:06] people are discovering that happiness is
[17:08] really
[17:09] to be in harmony with myself and it's
[17:12] not
[17:13] to be found in another person in a
[17:15] relationship in a
[17:16] particular position on a in a job or
[17:20] or in a certain financial
[17:23] um status it's it's like
[17:27] it's really something to be found within
[17:30] and i feel like that's where this
[17:33] ambient music really comes in
[17:35] as a very powerful um
[17:39] aid to just allow people to
[17:43] to settle down in the moment and just be
[17:46] because even like when your mind i've
[17:48] been meditating for years
[17:50] and i mean still my mind is just racing
[17:53] sometimes you know i just
[17:54] can't stop the thoughts they want to
[17:56] like of all the problems
[17:58] it perceives in my life you know and
[18:00] then to have something to focus on
[18:02] like something that just you know i just
[18:04] focus on
[18:05] the sound or this music it just helps
[18:09] to just release that momentum and just
[18:12] come back and be still
[18:13] and i think that is just going to
[18:14] increase like people
[18:18] because in one sense everything is
[18:21] sort of accelerating it feels like we
[18:24] have this like
[18:25] you know technological evolution
[18:28] going on that is just like it's just
[18:30] accelerating
[18:31] and new like arenas of expression
[18:35] and connection are opening up all the
[18:36] time where now like people are
[18:38] connected all the time they have all
[18:40] their friends you know with them all the
[18:41] time they have all the relationships
[18:43] and this just creates like it's like
[18:47] a lot of beautiful possibilities for
[18:48] connection but you need to manage that
[18:51] and you need space to just be with
[18:53] yourself
[18:54] and i think that is really like where
[18:57] ambient music
[18:58] is going to become more and more popular
[18:59] and i think what your friends like what
[19:01] you said about when
[19:03] when you talk about instrumental music
[19:05] that they're like
[19:06] you know wondering what's that about i
[19:09] think you know that is
[19:12] more and more people are gonna just
[19:13] understand and and create that
[19:16] and i can see this because my where i
[19:17] have my largest audience is in this
[19:19] meditation app
[19:20] called insights timer which i think is
[19:23] like the largest
[19:24] meditation uh community
[19:27] online and uh i have like
[19:32] the the the numbers the number of
[19:34] listeners i have there
[19:35] is like way way way more than i have any
[19:38] other place
[19:39] and it's totally free and i just share
[19:42] like my music there and i receive
[19:45] so much appreciation and it's funny
[19:48] because they invited me
[19:49] i didn't even know this app existed they
[19:52] found me
[19:52] invited me i started sharing my music
[19:54] and i realized wow
[19:56] before then i was just like oh you know
[19:57] i just felt like a weirdo
[19:59] making you know like i was just out in
[20:01] the woods you know making ambient music
[20:04] and yes and like this little niche that
[20:07] you know certain people were interested
[20:10] in but it was like very small and then
[20:11] all of a sudden i'm like wow everybody's
[20:13] loving this
[20:14] and uh i became like one like i don't
[20:17] know
[20:18] i don't even know the numbers but they
[20:21] when i met them they said i was like one
[20:22] of the
[20:23] biggest music public publishers on the
[20:26] app and i'm just like wow
[20:28] that was just that just happened
[20:31] and it just showed me that wow i'm
[20:33] really on track you know with my music
[20:34] because
[20:35] at times in my life i felt like so like
[20:37] like what am i doing with my life
[20:39] because it's not been so easy to to make
[20:41] a living from
[20:43] from from the music at all times and i
[20:46] mean it still
[20:47] is sort of a interesting puzzle for me
[20:49] to figure out
[20:51] how to make all the you know things
[20:53] connect
[20:54] but um it just showed me like there's
[20:56] really a future here
[20:57] there's a lot of people who appreciate
[20:59] this this really has a place in people's
[21:01] lives
[21:03] there is and i start to like then i
[21:04] start to feel like i'm actually adding a
[21:06] lot of benefits
[21:08] to people's lives and when i when i
[21:10] start to forget that
[21:12] that's when it really starts to feel
[21:14] pointless you know but then to be
[21:16] reminded to have people like you who
[21:17] reach out and just say like i was really
[21:19] touched by your music
[21:20] and some people have written me like how
[21:23] the music
[21:24] would just support them during a
[21:26] difficult phase in their life
[21:28] and those kind of messages i just i
[21:31] saved them in this
[21:32] like folder to read on a rainy day you
[21:34] know just to remind myself like that
[21:37] there is this yeah this is like my gift
[21:41] this is my gift to the world this is the
[21:43] most beautiful thing i know
[21:45] and this is what i want to share and i
[21:48] really believe that there is
[21:49] uh yeah there's a big future
[21:54] for music that is like you know
[21:56] conducive for just well-being
[21:59] and for just being with ourselves
[22:03] luvig i want to thank you not only for
[22:06] joining me in the podcast today but for
[22:08] the music you've created
[22:10] i i cannot say that all the songs i
[22:12] listen to now i'll be listening to
[22:14] in 20 years from now but i'm very
[22:15] confident that
[22:17] many many years from now i will still be
[22:18] listening to your music and i really
[22:20] i look forward to seeing where you go
[22:22] with your music and with your life
[22:24] and um i just want to say thank you for
[22:27] bringing your music to the world as you
[22:28] say it is your gift and i want to thank
[22:30] you for
[22:30] for sharing it with everybody so
[22:34] your stuff is beautiful he's so talented
[22:36] and so unique
[22:37] and yes once again just you know thank
[22:40] you that's so beautiful to hear and it
[22:41] means a lot
[22:42] and yeah i'm just grateful for
[22:46] you know you wanting to connect with me
[22:48] wanting to listen to me talk and
[22:51] for doing this interview and yeah it's
[22:54] beautiful
[22:54] so thank you so much maybe you can touch
[22:57] base again in the future
[22:58] absolutely i would love to have this
[23:00] conversation again in
[23:02] a year or something and see where where
[23:04] things ended up
[23:05] yeah for both of us well i once again i
[23:09] wish you the best of luck with
[23:10] everything and um i
[23:11] hope you have a wonderful evening thanks
[23:14] you too
[23:15] so all right are we ending i'm just uh
[23:19] wondering if we're ending the recording
[23:20] or actually saying goodbye
[23:23] um i i i'm not sure because i was just
[23:27] going for a goodbye i was kind of caught
[23:28] up in the moment you know
[23:30] i kind of forgot about the camera i
[23:31] didn't even know we're doing a podcast
[23:33] anymore
[23:34] and i was just ruining it because i was
[23:35] like i don't know if he's gonna hang out
[23:36] with me now