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Inspiration

What 2,000 Episodes Teach About Consistency and Service

Lewis Howes
Lewis Howes
Oct 30, 2026
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De Lewis Howes

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For 2,000 episodes, Lewis Howes has sat across from experts, healers, spiritual leaders, and people who came through extreme adversity, and in a solo milestone episode he turned the same questions on himself. What has thirteen years of showing up, week after week without a miss, taught him about building a life that draws dreams toward you? His answer cuts against the way most of us were raised. You are not supposed to chase harder. You keep showing up, you serve other people, you know who you are building for, and you do the inner work that lets good things stay. The episode, titled "How to Create A Life So MAGNETIC Your Dreams Manifest Easily," opens not with a theory but with a schoolbook.

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What does a first grader's poem about hating school have to do with manifesting?

Howes begins by holding up a small poetry book his mother had kept since first or second grade. Each child in the class wrote one poem for poetry week, and he walks the audience through them the way a teacher reads a class project. One is about friendship, a "silver star shining that I see real far." Another is about Easter and candy. Another is about spring, and another is about a cat named Pat who "sat on a mat." Then he gets to his own page.

"I hate school. I hate school. I hate doing homework. I hate doing papers. I hate school."

Lewis Howes, reading the poem he wrote as a first grader, solo milestone episode (approx. 1:23)

He is careful not to make school the villain of the story. He had good teachers and good moments. What he describes is a dread that started with getting out of bed, and a sense that eight hours a day were going to something that never connected to his life. "It was more of like the system didn't work for me," he says, describing how he moved through the world and made sense of it. That gap is the spine of the whole episode. The child who wrote that poem wished someone had taught him how to handle failure, rejection, shame, money, relationships, and his own health. He ended up building the thing he wished had existed.

That is the reason the poem matters. It is not a cute artifact. It is a record of what he felt before he had any language for the life he would later try to build, and it frames everything after it.

How did a living-room iPhone become a show heard around the world?

In 2013, Howes says, he sat down in his living room with an iPhone and started a podcast called The School of Greatness. He had no studio, no team, no audience, and no experience running a show. What he did have was a change of focus. "I stopped making my life about me," he says, and then asked a different question: "How can I make life about serving others?"

From there the show became a deliberate apprenticeship. He wanted guests who were extremely smart, who had lived through terrible things and come out the other side, and who had made serious mistakes and learned from them. "I wanted to learn from the best," he says. "I wanted to create the thing that I wish existed when I was a kid."

The scale that followed is worth sitting with. Howes says the show has passed over a billion downloads across audio and YouTube, has aired on public television across America, shows up on airplanes, and reaches listeners in almost every country. The episode's own description puts the reach at more than 100 countries. Along the way he became an author. Four books have come out of those 2,000 conversations. The first, also titled The School of Greatness, became his first New York Times bestseller, distilling what he had learned from guests over many years. The second, The Mask of Masculinity, is the one he says he is proudest of. It was not a bestseller, but it was the book where he started revealing his insecurities and shame.

Why did the definition of greatness have to change?

Howes admits that his first idea of greatness was the one most people inherit: success, results, winning, achievement. If he could accomplish his goals and get big results that people noticed, then he had made it. The problem was that it did not work. "Accomplishing more did not make me feel better about myself," he says, a realization he came to through sports and early business.

The shift came when the show itself became a place for healing. Interviewing healers and spiritual teachers, he began to see what was blocking him from feeling like he was enough. That process eventually led to one of the most difficult episodes in the show's history. Early on, he recorded an episode about being sexually abused by a man he did not know. He had begun his own healing work by then, and he still waited about six months before releasing it, because he was afraid of what it would cost him. He had prepared himself for the worst: losing the show, the business, and most of his relationships.

"If I can help one man heal from their journey, or one woman heal from their journey of going through something similar like this, it would be worth it to me."

Lewis Howes, describing the decision to release the episode (approx. 7:38 in the solo milestone episode)

The Mask of Masculinity grew from that same impulse. Howes says he wanted to put his weaknesses into the world so they would no longer have power over him. For him, the healing work did something no accomplishment had: it gave him a peace that did not depend on his next win.

Why does consistency beat chasing?

The first of the four lessons is consistency, and it is the one the episode's description leads with: after 2,000 episodes and 13 years without missing a week, the lesson is that the life you want starts moving toward you when you keep showing up. This is not a motivational slogan in Howes's telling. It is a description of how a body of work accumulates. A single episode in a living room does nothing dramatic. Two thousand of them, released on schedule, build a library, an audience, a reputation, and eventually a set of relationships that open doors nobody had planned to open.

The chase model assumes the reward is waiting at the end of a sprint. Consistency assumes the reward is produced by the repetition itself, and that the repetition changes the person doing it. This is the quiet point underneath the episode's title. Dreams are not summoned by wanting them harder. They become reachable because the person who keeps showing up grows into the kind of person who can hold them.

What changes when you stop making life about yourself?

The second lesson is service, and it is the one that sits at the root of the show's origin. Howes describes the moment he stopped treating his life as a project of self-promotion and started asking how he could serve. That shift did more than make the show better. It changed what he was willing to share. Opening up about his own abuse, his insecurities, and his shame was a form of service, because he believed his own openness could help someone who was carrying the same weight.

There is a practical point hidden in this. Service keeps the work pointed outward. Once you are asking what someone else needs, your standards for your own success start to loosen, and the fear of being judged loses some of its grip. The episode's broader argument is that people who serve are not sacrificing their dreams. They are building the kind of trust that makes big dreams sustainable.

Who are you building for?

The third lesson, as the episode frames it, is knowing who you are building for. Howes returns to this in the stretch of the episode that considers what the work is for and who it reaches. The question matters because it determines what you will keep doing when nobody is applauding. A school built for a kid who hated school has a clear audience and a clear purpose, and that clarity is what carried the project through years of uncertainty.

The transcript excerpt available for this article does not capture every example Howes uses for this lesson, so it is worth watching the full episode for his own detail. What comes through clearly is the principle: if you can name the person you are serving, most of the decisions about what to make, what to share, and what to say no to become simpler.

Why does inner work determine whether good things stay?

The fourth lesson is the inner work, and it is where Howes's own story is most useful. The description says the inner work is what lets good things stay. For Howes, this meant healing from shame and learning that he was enough without another accomplishment. He describes the peace that came from that work, a sense of acceptance that did not require him to keep chasing results to feel worthy.

This is the piece most people skip. You can attract opportunity, audience, and money, and still feel empty if you have not dealt with what drives you. The inner work is what allows you to receive what you have built without sabotaging it, and to keep it when it arrives. Howes is clear that the outcomes he is proudest of, including the books and the reach, are not the point. The point is the person who can carry them.

Where to go from here

If this episode spoke to you, start with the full solo milestone episode, which runs about an hour and eight minutes and covers all four lessons in Howes's own voice. The poem, the living-room origin, and the story of releasing the abuse episode are worth hearing in context. From there, the books he names, including The School of Greatness and The Mask of Masculinity, go deeper into the ideas he distilled from years of conversations.

The practical takeaway is simple and unglamorous. Pick one thing you can show up for every week, decide who it is for, and ask what healing you need to do so that the results you earn can actually stay with you. Howes's own life suggests that the dream is less something you chase than something you grow into, one week at a time.

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[0:00] You probably been told that if you want

[0:02] something badly enough that you have to

[0:04] chase it, work harder, push harder, want

[0:07] it more, [music] and the harder you

[0:09] chase, the further away it feels. And

[0:11] I've lived that way for years through my

[0:13] [music] entire school life. No matter

[0:16] what I did, I never felt like my effort

[0:20] paid off, and I hated [music] school. I

[0:23] dreaded going to school. I found every

[0:25] excuse I could to not go to school, and

[0:28] I know I talk about [music] this quite a

[0:30] bit, but today I'm going to show you the

[0:32] proof of how much I actually hated

[0:36] school. And last week, my mom gave me a

[0:39] gift. I didn't even know she had this,

[0:41] but this is a little poetry book from

[0:44] probably first or second grade that she

[0:46] gave me, and I'll and I'll show it up on

[0:48] the screen. You can even see it says

[0:50] poem on the back, and um it's about

[0:54] poetry week that we had. I don't

[0:55] remember this, but when I go through

[0:57] this, it shows the poem from each of the

[1:00] kids in our class. One says about

[1:03] friendship. Friendship is a special

[1:05] thing. Uh it's like life on a golden

[1:09] ring. Friendship is a silver star

[1:12] shining that I see real far. This is not

[1:15] me. This is another kid's poem.

[1:17] Someone's talking about Easter. Easter

[1:20] and having candy is lots of fun. You run

[1:23] and you play and you have fun.

[1:25] I I see another one about spring. Spring

[1:28] has come. Spring is a beautiful place.

[1:31] I see another one about my cat. I have a

[1:33] cat. His name is Pat.

[1:35] He sat on a mat, and I can't forget he

[1:38] has a hat.

[1:40] All these different things that people

[1:42] are sharing their poems about their

[1:46] interpretation of life, their experience

[1:48] at that time. Someone's talking about

[1:50] springtime. Someone's talking about

[1:52] poems. All these different things by all

[1:54] these amazing classmates talking about

[1:56] friendship, sunshine, and everything

[1:59] else. And then I go to my poem and

[2:03] you can see my poem here. I'll put it up

[2:05] on the screen. It says, "School by Lewis

[2:09] Howes. I hate school.

[2:11] I hate school. I hate doing homework. I

[2:14] hate doing papers. I hate school." And

[2:18] that was

[2:20] my poem for

[2:23] this class assignment.

[2:25] Now,

[2:26] for me, it was again, like it was like

[2:29] this dread.

[2:30] Getting up and going to school was an

[2:33] exhaustion.

[2:35] And it was almost like I wish that 8

[2:38] hours a day I was able to learn

[2:40] something that I felt like would be more

[2:42] meaningful to my life.

[2:44] Now, I I, you know, not all school is

[2:46] bad. I had some great teachers

[2:47] throughout that time. I had some great

[2:49] moments throughout school, but the

[2:51] feeling of school didn't seem to work

[2:54] for me or at least my personality or way

[2:56] I thought, the way I felt, and the way I

[2:58] moved through the world and interpreted

[3:00] the world. And it was more of like the

[3:02] system didn't work for me. And funny

[3:05] enough, when I fast-forward my life,

[3:07] little did I know that I would actually

[3:09] launch a school, the School of

[3:12] Greatness. I didn't ever think that I

[3:14] would want to go back to school because

[3:16] of so much I tried to get out of it.

[3:19] But, in 2013,

[3:21] I actually did it. I sat down in my

[3:23] living room with an iPhone and I started

[3:25] a podcast called The School of

[3:28] Greatness. I had no studio, no team, no

[3:32] audience, no experience of doing a show,

[3:35] but I stopped making my life about me

[3:37] and I said, "How can I make life about

[3:40] serving others? How can I start asking

[3:42] questions from people who are extremely

[3:45] smart, people who have experience,

[3:47] people who have gone through horrific

[3:48] times and overcome those challenges,

[3:51] people who have dealt with extreme

[3:52] adversities, people who have made big

[3:54] mistakes and learned lessons from those

[3:56] mistakes as well?" And I wanted to learn

[3:58] from the best. I wanted to create the

[4:00] thing that I wish existed when I was a

[4:02] kid. When I wrote this poem

[4:05] I hate school. And again, for me, I wish

[4:11] I learned things growing up that would

[4:14] help me understand navigating life

[4:17] better.

[4:17] I wish it taught me about how to

[4:19] overcome failure, how to deal with

[4:21] rejection, how to deal with my own

[4:24] insecurities and my embarrassments, how

[4:27] to deal with my shame, how to deal with

[4:29] relationship dynamics, how to deal with

[4:33] understanding money, how to make money,

[4:35] how to manage money,

[4:37] how to deal with navigating nutrition

[4:38] and my health. All these things

[4:41] that I started learning

[4:43] with our own school, The School of

[4:45] Greatness. And it worked. And today, The

[4:48] School of Greatness has over a billion

[4:50] downloads on audio and YouTube. And it

[4:53] has been an incredible journey. It's

[4:56] aired on public television across

[4:57] America.

[4:59] It's on airplanes now, and it reaches

[5:01] people in almost every country around

[5:04] the world. And throughout this time, I

[5:07] also didn't know that I would become an

[5:09] author and a writer and a New York Times

[5:11] bestseller.

[5:12] And we've written four books over these

[5:15] 2,000 episodes. Four [snorts] books.

[5:18] It's crazy to me to think about. The

[5:19] first one being over a decade old, The

[5:22] School of Greatness, our first New York

[5:24] Times bestseller that really was

[5:26] distilling the information that I

[5:28] learned from all these great thinkers

[5:30] and leaders and individuals that we had

[5:32] on the show for many years. The School

[5:34] of Greatness was the first one.

[5:36] Then, my second one was probably the one

[5:39] that I'm most proud of is The Mask of

[5:43] Masculinity. This is actually not a New

[5:45] York Times bestseller. Who knows, maybe

[5:47] one day it'll get on that list. But it

[5:49] was the one where I started to reveal a

[5:51] lot about myself and open up about a lot

[5:54] of my insecurities, a lot of my shame,

[5:56] my weaknesses. And I wanted to put them

[5:59] out there in the world so that they

[6:01] would not have power over me. Because I

[6:04] learned early on by doing this show, my

[6:06] definition of greatness within the first

[6:08] couple years shifted after the first

[6:10] couple years because for me it was more

[6:13] about success, results,

[6:16] winning, accomplishment, achievement.

[6:18] That was what my original idea of

[6:21] greatness was. When I was growing up,

[6:23] that was kind of what I thought about.

[6:24] If I can be successful, if I can

[6:27] accomplish my dreams and my goals and

[6:29] get big results and people can pay

[6:31] attention to it,

[6:33] then I have made it.

[6:35] But I quickly realized through my sports

[6:37] journey and in my early business journey

[6:40] that accomplishing more did not make me

[6:42] feel better about myself.

[6:45] And when I started to go through the

[6:47] healing journey through this show by

[6:50] starting to interview different experts,

[6:52] healers, spiritual leaders, that's when

[6:55] I said, "Oh, there's a lot of things

[6:57] that are blocking me from feeling

[7:00] like I'm enough, from knowing that I'm

[7:03] enough, and from feeling a deeper sense

[7:07] of peace and acceptance within myself,

[7:10] even though I know all of the things

[7:12] that I'm ashamed of from my past or my

[7:14] childhood or my insecurities. And once I

[7:16] started to learn how to heal and go on

[7:18] that process, it was one of the most

[7:20] impactful things that I'd ever done.

[7:23] And early in The School of Greatness, I

[7:26] did an episode opening up about being

[7:28] sexually abused by a man that I didn't

[7:30] know.

[7:31] And I thought the show was over. I

[7:33] thought my business would be over. I

[7:35] thought all my relationships would be

[7:36] done and no one would like me or be

[7:38] friends with me.

[7:39] And I recorded this episode

[7:42] after I'd started doing my own healing

[7:44] journey.

[7:45] And I waited on it for about 6 months

[7:48] cuz I was so afraid about putting it out

[7:50] there.

[7:51] And when I finally put it out there,

[7:54] I was at this place of acceptance and

[7:56] peace knowing that like, "Hey, this is

[7:58] going to be the most you're ever going

[7:59] to be judged in your life." Or maybe one

[8:01] of the most times you'll ever be judged

[8:02] in your life

[8:04] for something in your past.

[8:05] And I kind of came to peace with it

[8:07] being like, "All right, if I lose all my

[8:08] relationships, if I lose my following,

[8:10] if I don't have any more money, but I

[8:12] feel that peace within me. And if I can

[8:15] help one man heal from their journey, or

[8:19] one woman heal from their journey of

[8:21] going through something similar like

[8:22] this,

[8:23] it would be worth it. It would be worth

[8:25] it to me if one person was impacted in a

[8:28] positive way, they felt a sense of

[8:31] peace, they felt a sense of healing,

[8:33] they felt a sense of self-love that they

[8:35] never felt before. They They didn't have

[8:37] to keep chasing accomplishments to feel

[8:40] enough. Then I would say that this would

[8:42] be worth it. And so that's where The

[8:44] Mask of Masculinity came from. And it's

[8:47] all about how men can embrace

[8:48] vulnerability, create strong

[8:49] relationships, and live their fullest

[8:51] lives.

[8:52] This was scary for me. It was scary for

[8:54] me to put out there because it meant I

[8:57] got to continue to dive deeper into the

[9:00] things that I was ashamed of.

[9:02] And there was still a lot that I was

[9:04] working through and still have been

[9:06] working through since this book, which

[9:08] was 9 years ago now. So this was the

[9:11] second book that I felt like and still

[9:14] feel like this is probably the most

[9:16] important book that we've put out there

[9:19] so far in terms of helping men heal and

[9:21] helping women understand the men in

[9:23] their lives and why maybe they're not

[9:25] fully open or fully vulnerable and why

[9:27] so you can understand the men in your

[9:29] lives. Uh then we wrote The Greatest

[9:32] Mindset. Unlock the power of your mind

[9:34] and live your best life today. And this

[9:36] is probably the book that I wish I had

[9:40] when I was 16.

[9:41] So this was after 10 years of working on

[9:44] The School of Greatness. This is the

[9:45] book that I wish is like, okay, I've

[9:47] learned so many different things now.

[9:50] What's everything I wish I had when I

[9:51] was in school and high school that they

[9:54] wish they taught me.

[9:55] This is that book. And it's really a

[9:58] book about healing, but it's teaching

[10:00] you the lessons on how to optimize your

[10:02] life at the highest levels.

[10:04] And um

[10:06] I just think this is really inspiring

[10:07] from all the neuroscientists, all the

[10:09] leaders, all the sports figures that was

[10:11] in this book and it was a New York Times

[10:12] bestseller.

[10:14] And one of the

[10:15] you know, a lot of the episodes that we

[10:16] do here on the show is around money.

[10:19] How to make money,

[10:21] how to invest money,

[10:23] how to spend money wisely. And we have

[10:26] had a lot of experts come and talk about

[10:29] these topics. And again, these are

[10:30] things that they don't teach us in

[10:32] elementary school, middle school, high

[10:34] school, or even college. They don't

[10:36] really teach us how to understand money,

[10:39] how to make money, how to create value

[10:41] from something for money, how to

[10:42] negotiate with money, how to sell, how

[10:45] to do copywriting to generate sales.

[10:47] They don't teach us these things. So,

[10:49] we've had these experts on for years.

[10:51] I've studied this myself for years. I'm

[10:53] still learning. There's different levels

[10:55] to understanding money. And there's one

[10:57] thing to

[10:59] be rich, it's a different thing to be

[11:00] wealthy.

[11:02] And some people are rich, but they're

[11:03] extremely poor internally. So, it's

[11:07] understanding and navigating the

[11:08] relationship around money and around the

[11:11] difference between rich, poor, and

[11:14] wealthy. And that's where we created

[11:16] make money easy, which is all about

[11:18] creating financial freedom and living a

[11:20] richer life. And so, this is more about

[11:23] understanding your psychology and

[11:26] emotional relationship with money. Can

[11:29] you understand your money identity?

[11:32] Your money values. And if money

[11:35] was a person and it walked into the room

[11:37] right now, wherever you are watching and

[11:40] listening to this show.

[11:41] If money was a person walked in the

[11:42] room, how would you respond?

[11:46] How would you think? How would you feel?

[11:48] What would your body respond to money if

[11:51] it was a person and it walked in the

[11:53] room right now?

[11:55] Based on your response to that,

[11:57] if you really sat with that, it would

[11:59] tell you a lot about your relationship

[12:01] with money.

[12:02] And so, this book was more understanding

[12:04] the emotional,

[12:06] psychological, and relationship that we

[12:08] all have with money. How it impacts our

[12:10] our

[12:11] how it impacts our relationships with

[12:13] others, friends, colleagues, intimate

[12:16] partners, and how we navigate our life

[12:19] in the process of this. These books have

[12:23] been kind of recaps of different themes

[12:28] that we have had on this show.

[12:30] And again, for me, it's really about

[12:32] understanding live your best life, but

[12:35] not by always chasing more,

[12:37] but through healing, through acceptance,

[12:40] through awareness, through understanding

[12:42] yourself, and navigating the messiness

[12:45] of this world that we're all living in.

[12:48] And trying to navigate

[12:50] understanding something that is hard to

[12:52] understand.

[12:53] We don't know

[12:55] why we were brought into this body,

[12:59] with the parents that we have, in the

[13:00] city that we're born. We don't know why

[13:03] we were born at this time. It's already

[13:05] confusing. We don't have the clear

[13:08] answers. And a lot of our life is

[13:10] figuring out how to make the most of

[13:12] this life, and how to navigate the

[13:14] challenges, and the adversities, and the

[13:16] uncertainties that life brings us all.

[13:19] We don't have the answers.

[13:21] And school, growing up for me, it just

[13:23] felt like, "I'm exhausted. I'm drained.

[13:26] And I'm and I'm so bad at this thing

[13:29] called school

[13:30] that I am a bad person. I'm a bad kid

[13:33] because I'm so bad at this thing."

[13:36] So, my identity became tied to my

[13:39] results. And when 8 hours of my life

[13:42] every single day for

[13:44] 15, 20 years was tied to school, being

[13:48] there in this system,

[13:50] it was hard for me to get out of the

[13:53] the negative feelings I had around

[13:55] myself because I was doing so poorly in

[13:57] something that was most of my life.

[13:59] That's why sports became such a outlet

[14:03] for me to express myself. It was my way

[14:06] to be a artist through my body, through

[14:09] my actions,

[14:10] in a

[14:12] in a container outside of school,

[14:14] whether it be a basketball court,

[14:17] you know, track and field, a football

[14:19] field, a soccer field, a baseball field

[14:22] as well. Wherever it might have been,

[14:23] wherever I was playing sports, it

[14:25] allowed me to express myself and allowed

[14:27] me to understand human dynamics. And

[14:29] those were kind of my greatest lessons,

[14:31] my greatest teachers. Being with

[14:32] coaches, learning from them, and

[14:34] learning how to interact with other

[14:37] athletes and being across other

[14:39] competitors as well. That's where I kind

[14:41] of got my human

[14:43] lessons from. And

[14:46] I wanted more of that. After sports was

[14:48] done with me, you know, I got injured

[14:50] playing arena football. You can see the

[14:52] arena football right here that I used to

[14:53] play with.

[14:55] Um I got injured and my identity was

[14:57] tied around sports now because I used

[14:59] that as my way to get validation. Since

[15:02] I couldn't do well in school, sports

[15:04] became the way for me to get validation

[15:07] and earn self-respect and self-worth.

[15:10] Once I got injured playing football,

[15:12] arena football, broke my wrist, for

[15:14] about a year and a half I was sleeping

[15:16] on my sister's couch trying to figure

[15:17] out who am I, what am I meant to do in

[15:19] this life, why did this happen to me,

[15:21] why am I struggling, why do I not have

[15:23] any money, why am I living on my

[15:25] sister's couch,

[15:26] um what am I supposed to do with my

[15:28] life? I've got no skills, I've got no

[15:30] identity now.

[15:31] And it's interesting because around that

[15:33] time I found a new dream, something else

[15:36] opened up. And in 2008, I saw handball

[15:40] for the first time ever on the Olympics,

[15:43] um the Beijing Olympics in 2008, and I

[15:45] saw this sport and it unlocked a new

[15:47] possibility in my mind that I've been on

[15:49] an 18-year journey where I moved to New

[15:52] York City, I made the USA National Team,

[15:55] and during the time of making the USA

[15:57] National Team, maybe a year or two after

[15:59] that, I started The School of Greatness.

[16:02] So, I was pursuing a dream

[16:05] around a sport called team handball

[16:07] before The School of Greatness. Then I

[16:10] launched The School of Greatness almost

[16:11] 14 years ago now.

[16:13] Episode 1, continued playing on the USA

[16:16] National Team for many years

[16:19] during the first 8 years of the School

[16:23] of Greatness. And I'm recommitted to

[16:25] this dream as well, pursuing it at this

[16:28] season of my life. Almost 14 years in on

[16:30] the School of Greatness, 2,000 episodes

[16:32] in.

[16:33] I just got back from Egypt where we

[16:35] played our Los Angeles Handball team

[16:37] played at the Club World Championships.

[16:40] So, there are these different seasons

[16:42] and different dreams that I've been

[16:44] pursuing while being consistent on this

[16:48] show, the School of Greatness. And I've

[16:50] had the incredible fortune to sit across

[16:53] from amazing guests like Tony Robbins,

[16:56] like Kobe Bryant,

[16:58] Michelle Obama, Kevin Hart, Matt Damon,

[17:01] Matthew McConaughey, Joe Dispenza, and

[17:04] so many other great scientists and

[17:06] experts that are teaching me and

[17:09] teaching all of us how to optimize that

[17:12] area of life that we're struggling in.

[17:14] And today

[17:16] is episode 2,000.

[17:19] Over 13 years, we have never missed a

[17:22] week. 2,000 episodes. And underneath

[17:26] every one of them is the same question.

[17:29] What does greatness actually mean?

[17:32] That's the underlying theme. Obviously,

[17:34] at the end I ask everyone, what is your

[17:36] definition of greatness? But what does

[17:38] it actually mean?

[17:40] And that's something I wanted to learn

[17:41] early on. What is greatness? What is

[17:45] this? Is this something we can all have?

[17:47] Is this something only chosen for a

[17:50] select few who are willing to grind

[17:52] their life out for some big goal or big

[17:55] accomplishment? Like, what does it

[17:57] actually mean? And that's what I set out

[17:59] to answer, discover for myself, and

[18:01] learn from others. And by the end of

[18:03] this episode, I'm going to give you my

[18:05] answer.

[18:07] But first, what I want to do is I want

[18:09] to give you four key lessons from the

[18:12] 2,000 episodes of what these episodes

[18:15] taught me about building a life that

[18:17] pulls you and pulls your dreams closer

[18:21] to you.

[18:22] And so that's what this is all about. I

[18:23] can't do 2,000 lessons. If you want to

[18:26] go back and listen to a lot of these

[18:27] episodes, you'll get great lessons from

[18:29] each episode. And I And I always love

[18:31] getting emails from people that say,

[18:33] "Hey,

[18:34] you know, I've been listening to you

[18:35] from the beginning." Or I started

[18:36] listening to you 6 months ago and I've

[18:38] been going back through the old episodes

[18:40] and just trying to get through all of

[18:42] them. And for me, that inspires me so

[18:44] much. I I'm so grateful that you are

[18:47] here. I'm so grateful that you're here

[18:49] building in this life with me, on this

[18:51] journey with me. A lot of you have seen

[18:53] me go through ups and downs. If you've

[18:56] been with me since the beginning, or

[18:57] maybe you've come and gone over the last

[18:59] 13, 14 years,

[19:01] it's been a lot. You've seen me go

[19:03] through, again,

[19:04] writing multiple books.

[19:06] We had lots of different kind of

[19:08] businesses within The School of

[19:11] Greatness. We've done 10 years of the

[19:13] Summit of Greatness. You've seen me do

[19:15] my USA National Team journey towards

[19:18] handball and my frames there.

[19:20] Uh you've seen me been been through lots

[19:22] of different relationships. You know,

[19:23] I've been

[19:25] in a lot of different relationships

[19:27] uh from 13, 14 years ago

[19:29] till now. And now I'm married. I've got

[19:32] twins. I'm a father. I've got

[19:36] different seasons of life that I've

[19:37] personally gone through that this school

[19:40] this School of Greatness has guided me.

[19:43] And you've also seen me make mistakes.

[19:44] You've seen me be an imperfect human

[19:46] being

[19:47] uh throughout this entire time.

[19:49] I don't always say the right things. I

[19:50] don't always do the right things

[19:52] personally, professionally, on this

[19:54] show, off this show, etc.

[19:56] But I've always shown up. I've always

[19:58] said, "How can I continue to improve and

[20:00] be better?" And I'm going to continue to

[20:02] make mistakes. So are you. We're human

[20:04] beings. We're flawed. But as long as we

[20:06] have the awareness, the responsibility,

[20:08] and the accountability for our lives, I

[20:11] think that's what we can give to

[20:13] ourselves, and that's what we owe others

[20:14] as well. So there's going to be a couple

[20:16] parts to this episode. Part one, I'm

[20:18] going to share with you the four lessons

[20:21] of the last 2,000

[20:24] episodes.

[20:25] And lesson number one is show up until

[20:28] it shows up.

[20:31] So, what does this mean?

[20:32] Well, most people quit right before

[20:35] things start coming to them.

[20:37] They are a little too impatient, maybe

[20:40] they're distracted, maybe you've got too

[20:42] many different ideas, so it's hard for

[20:43] you to focus on one.

[20:45] And I spoke with a wealthy friend

[20:47] recently who wanted to start a podcast,

[20:50] for example, and he came to me and said,

[20:52] "Lewis, what's the secret to launching

[20:53] this show? You've done this, you know,

[20:55] almost 2,000 episodes now. What's the

[20:57] secret? How do I be successful really

[20:59] fast? How do I get it out there, make

[21:01] money, get lots of views right away, and

[21:03] make it a hit?" And I literally told

[21:05] him,

[21:06] "Do not launch a show unless you could

[21:08] do it for the next 3 to 5 years, every

[21:11] single week, knowing that you may get

[21:13] zero listeners, zero viewers, and make

[21:16] zero dollars."

[21:18] And why did I say this to him? Because

[21:21] most people have an expectation,

[21:22] especially if you're already successful,

[21:24] you're like, "I don't want to start

[21:25] something unless I know it's going to

[21:27] work out."

[21:28] Well, news flash, not everything works

[21:30] out just cuz you want it.

[21:33] Maybe it'll work out, maybe it won't.

[21:35] What are you willing to do? How much are

[21:37] you willing to commit to something to

[21:39] show that it can come to you more

[21:43] effortlessly, more it'll come to you the

[21:45] more you show up for it.

[21:47] And just cuz you have an idea that you

[21:50] want to do something doesn't mean you

[21:51] should do it. I have lots of ideas.

[21:54] You know, just cuz I could launch a shoe

[21:56] company doesn't mean I should launch a

[21:58] shoe company. I could sell toothbrushes.

[22:01] Just cuz I can sell them, doesn't mean I

[22:03] should sell them. Is it serving my

[22:06] greatest gifts, my greatest talents? Is

[22:08] it serving this season of my life? Uh is

[22:10] it a distraction from me giving the most

[22:12] to this podcast and other things that

[22:14] I'm working on, or is it in alignment

[22:16] with that?

[22:17] And so, just because you have an idea

[22:19] you want to do something,

[22:20] doesn't mean you should, but it also

[22:23] maybe it means you should do something.

[22:25] And this is why I like to question and

[22:27] ask people like, "Okay, if you want to

[22:29] do a show like this or something on your

[22:31] own that you really want to do, are you

[22:32] willing to show up for it consistently?

[22:34] Are you willing to do it because you're

[22:36] truly curious and passionate about it?"

[22:39] And I decided this early on when I

[22:40] started out. It allowed me the freedom

[22:43] to really keep trying, keep growing, and

[22:45] allow the consistency of showing up to

[22:48] pull my dreams closer to me. And this is

[22:51] what I did. The first year of the School

[22:53] of Greatness was an experiment. A lot of

[22:55] people said, "It's not going to work.

[22:57] What's a podcast?" This was way before

[22:59] podcasts.

[23:00] No one knew what a podcast was.

[23:02] No one knew. I had to explain people

[23:05] over and over again how to go click just

[23:07] to find and listen to the show. There

[23:08] was no video, nothing. There was no

[23:11] virality. You had to send people a link

[23:13] one by one to get people to to listen.

[23:17] And this was

[23:18] hard. It's very easy to get more

[23:21] virality today with short clips,

[23:24] but it was hard back then, and it was a

[23:26] struggle. You had to educate people

[23:28] first on what a podcast was.

[23:30] But I said, "I'm going to do this cuz I

[23:32] want to build relationships. I want to

[23:35] learn from experts. I want to make it

[23:37] about others, not about me." That's why

[23:39] I said I'm going to do this every single

[23:41] week for a year. And then from there,

[23:44] I'll re-evaluate. And that's what I did.

[23:46] I did it every single week for the first

[23:47] year.

[23:48] And I got I made no money, nothing. But

[23:51] I got so much value.

[23:54] And the return of that time, that energy

[23:57] paid dividends for my soul, for my life,

[24:01] for my business, for my relationships.

[24:04] And

[24:05] I didn't know what the podcast would

[24:08] become when I started it.

[24:09] But I knew it was something that was

[24:12] calling me. It was like my heart was

[24:14] being pulled in this direction to go

[24:17] experiment with this thing called a

[24:19] podcast

[24:20] that I came up with called the School of

[24:21] Greatness. When I was stuck in traffic

[24:24] in LA driving around, I was going

[24:26] through a challenging time in my life

[24:27] through a breakup.

[24:29] I was stuck in traffic and I realized a

[24:31] lot of people around me were also

[24:33] frustrated. I could see people,

[24:35] you know, honking their horns and

[24:37] screaming that they were stuck in

[24:39] traffic. And I thought to myself, "Oh,

[24:42] this isn't just me. Other people are

[24:44] stuck as well. Sure, I'm going through

[24:46] my own internalization of breakdowns in

[24:49] my relationships,

[24:51] but other people are frustrated in life

[24:52] and stuck as well.

[24:55] What if there was a way that I could

[24:58] create something that I'm excited about

[25:00] to help me learn, but to help other

[25:02] people become unstuck also? That was

[25:05] literally the idea The School of

[25:07] Greatness came about in a car in Los

[25:10] Angeles stuck in traffic and stuck in my

[25:12] life.

[25:13] I didn't know what it would become, but

[25:15] I knew I felt called to do it and I knew

[25:19] I wanted to give it a full year of

[25:20] consistency. And from there,

[25:23] the feedback that I got from others and

[25:25] the joy that I gained from doing it made

[25:28] me want to continue the second year.

[25:30] Then I think it was year three or four

[25:32] when it finally started to make a little

[25:34] bit of money. I mean, maybe like 10

[25:36] grand, 20 grand.

[25:38] And I was like, "But the value that I

[25:40] was gaining, like I would have done it

[25:42] for free

[25:44] forever, right? It was giving me so much

[25:46] value.

[25:47] And I was enjoying it and I could see

[25:49] the value in the the feedback from from

[25:52] you, listeners, viewers

[25:55] of the impact. And I was like, "Oh, this

[25:57] is something bigger than me." And that's

[25:59] one of the reasons why I kept doing it.

[26:01] Never that I know that it would reach a

[26:03] billion downloads, be one of the biggest

[26:05] shows in the world, help us write, you

[26:08] know, multiple New York Times

[26:09] best-selling books, help me connect with

[26:12] some of the most influential

[26:14] individuals in the world that I'm

[26:17] either have a relationship with or

[26:18] friends with a lot of these individuals

[26:19] or friendly with them.

[26:21] And it's it's been a game-changer. Now,

[26:25] there's been lots of ups and downs.

[26:28] The one thing has been

[26:30] me and our team showing up, us showing

[26:32] up consistently.

[26:34] And we're not always perfect, but we

[26:36] show up consistently. I'm not always

[26:37] perfect. You know, I've been through

[26:38] multiple breakups. I've gone through

[26:41] health challenges. I've gone through

[26:42] financial burdens during the last 13, 14

[26:45] years.

[26:46] Um you know, online criticism,

[26:49] humiliation, embarrassment, loss. I lost

[26:52] my father a number of years ago during

[26:54] this time. And

[26:57] there's been a lot of sadness, too.

[26:59] But one of the things that we've done is

[27:00] is being consistent

[27:03] even when it's not easy. Even when it's

[27:06] not convenient. Even when it's not fun

[27:08] sometimes. There's definitely been

[27:10] months where I said, I don't want to do

[27:11] this. I don't want to I don't want to

[27:13] work. I don't want to get out of bed. I

[27:15] don't want to have to get dressed in a

[27:17] certain way. I don't want to have to

[27:18] shave. I don't want to have to put

[27:20] myself on like I'm a happy person right

[27:22] now. There's been months and seasons

[27:24] where I did not want to do that. And I'm

[27:26] telling you what, there's been a lot of

[27:27] times where I I wasn't my best. Or I

[27:30] wasn't fully present sitting next to a

[27:32] person where my mind would wander where

[27:34] I was worried about what's going on in

[27:36] my personal life or some other

[27:37] challenges or

[27:39] the business. And And I want you to know

[27:41] like it's not always going to be the

[27:43] perfect

[27:44] environment

[27:46] for you either in whatever you're

[27:48] looking to create in your life. It's not

[27:49] always going to be the perfect health,

[27:51] the perfect relationships, the perfect

[27:53] financial situation for you.

[27:56] But if you can learn to show up

[27:58] consistently and not beat yourself up

[28:00] for not being perfect, cuz I know I

[28:02] haven't been every time I'm on this

[28:03] show.

[28:04] I mean, you do something 2,000 episodes,

[28:07] that you're going to have some off days.

[28:09] You know, the Michael Jordan, Kobe

[28:11] Bryant, they weren't great every single

[28:12] game that they ever played. They've

[28:14] struggled and lost games as well.

[28:16] But they keep showing up. It's not

[28:18] always easy, but that's the point. It's

[28:20] the key. And it's learning how to be

[28:23] consistent from episode 1

[28:26] till now, episode 2,000.

[28:29] And a lot of people ask me like the key

[28:31] to my success and our success in this

[28:34] show, and I tell people a lot of the

[28:35] time, "Listen, I have the proof. My mom

[28:38] showed me this now." And I think I have

[28:41] some

[28:41] some grade cards somewhere. I got to

[28:43] find that proof, too, on how bad I was

[28:45] in school. But I have the proof. I wrote

[28:47] a poem during poetry week in first or

[28:50] second grade that says, "School, I hate

[28:53] school. I hate school. I hate doing

[28:56] homework. I hate doing papers. I hate

[28:58] school."

[29:00] Funny that I said I hate doing papers

[29:03] and that we've written multiple books

[29:05] that these are like, you know, hundreds

[29:06] of papers in a book. Um I just had it to

[29:09] be I just had to figure out how I could

[29:11] like learning.

[29:13] I hated school, but I loved to learn.

[29:15] I hated school, but I loved being

[29:16] coached. And so it's learning how to

[29:20] learn in a different way for me.

[29:22] And a lot of people say like

[29:24] about the success of this show. And I'm

[29:26] And I tell people, "I was in the bottom

[29:29] of my class. I hated school. I was not a

[29:31] good student."

[29:33] It was a struggle every single day to go

[29:35] to school and pay attention. It was

[29:37] exhausting. It was like a drain, a drag.

[29:40] It was like anything I could do to get

[29:41] out of it, I tried to do it.

[29:43] But something that I've learned is how

[29:46] to be consistent. And the more

[29:48] consistent I can be, the better I will

[29:51] be. So I'm never going to be smarter

[29:52] than you.

[29:53] I'm never going to be more talented than

[29:55] you in a lot of ways. I'm never going to

[29:57] have those gifts that you have.

[30:00] But something I've learned is how can I

[30:01] just be consistent? How can I show up

[30:03] curious? How can I show up excited? How

[30:05] can I show up

[30:07] interested? And if I can do that,

[30:10] then I can do it consistently.

[30:12] And as long as I'm enjoying the process,

[30:14] you know, I hated school, but I love

[30:15] learning.

[30:17] And so as long as I don't continue to

[30:18] learn and I feel like I'm benefiting it,

[30:21] you're benefiting it,

[30:23] the community's benefiting as well,

[30:26] humanity's bene- benefiting and the

[30:27] world is benefiting,

[30:29] then it's something I will I'll keep

[30:30] doing as long as I feel that way.

[30:33] And there have definitely been weeks, if

[30:35] not months,

[30:37] I have wanted to skip. And a lot of

[30:39] stuff for me was

[30:40] I didn't know how to navigate like

[30:42] breakups and emotional stuff from

[30:43] relationships in the past. So, the first

[30:45] probably 6 or 7 years of the show, I was

[30:47] going through different breakups and

[30:49] different challenges.

[30:50] And that was hard. It was just hard

[30:52] because I didn't learn how to navigate

[30:53] my emotions.

[30:55] And so, there'd be certain days where I

[30:56] would just be like, "I don't want to do

[30:58] this."

[30:59] And I would show up and I would just

[31:02] do my best. But I wasn't always my best.

[31:05] And I think the difference was me doing

[31:08] it anyways, doing it sad, doing it hurt,

[31:11] doing it

[31:13] emotional, doing it not my best, doing

[31:16] it

[31:17] with a three out of a 10 rather than a

[31:18] 10 out of a 10.

[31:20] And showing up consistently either way.

[31:23] Because I think if I would have taken

[31:24] like 6 months off or a year off or a

[31:26] couple years off, it wouldn't be where

[31:28] it is today. I'm not saying you have to

[31:30] do that, but I'm just saying look at

[31:31] your life and see where can you be more

[31:33] consistent in showing up either way.

[31:36] And that is the first lesson for me.

[31:41] Second lesson

[31:43] is stop making it about you.

[31:45] The fastest way to become someone people

[31:47] want to be around is to be of service to

[31:51] others.

[31:52] Relationships will take you further than

[31:55] your ego ever will.

[31:59] There's something that was struggling

[32:01] with in my 20s.

[32:03] My life was about me.

[32:05] You know, I wanted to be a professional

[32:06] athlete and I went out and did it. I got

[32:09] injured and then I said, "Why is this

[32:10] happening to me?"

[32:12] I wanted to go make money and I went out

[32:14] and I did it.

[32:15] But then I wasn't happy with the money I

[32:17] was making and I was dealing with all

[32:19] these struggles.

[32:20] And everything was thinking about

[32:21] me-focused. Me. "I'm going to go do

[32:24] this. Why is this happening to me?

[32:26] Why aren't I getting what they have?" It

[32:27] was all me me me me me me and it was so

[32:30] self- focused. And I'm not saying

[32:32] self-focused is a bad way to live life.

[32:36] I am still in a lot of ways self-focused

[32:40] around certain areas of my life. I want

[32:42] [snorts] to be self-focused around how I

[32:45] think and feel in a positive way, so

[32:47] that I can impact others more

[32:48] positively. I want to have some

[32:50] self-focused and self-interest

[32:53] to take care of my health,

[32:55] to be a good husband, to be good father.

[32:57] I want to have some self-focus, but when

[32:59] it's all about me and not about others,

[33:03] then

[33:04] life just loses its fulfillment. Right?

[33:07] So, it's not about not focusing on you,

[33:09] cuz I think there's a lot of people that

[33:10] only focus on others and they neglect

[33:13] themselves. They neglect their wants,

[33:15] their desires, their needs, their health

[33:17] to put all the energy on others. And I

[33:19] think that's

[33:21] not the best way to serve yourself and

[33:23] others as well when your cup is not even

[33:26] half full.

[33:28] But, I knew I was in an inflection point

[33:30] before launching The School of Greatness

[33:32] because I felt stuck. I told you that I

[33:34] was stuck in traffic and I was going

[33:36] through different relationship

[33:38] breakdowns in my life, business

[33:39] relationships, friendships, intimate

[33:41] partner that I was in a relationship

[33:42] with at the time.

[33:44] And I realized, "Oh, the common

[33:45] denominator is me. I can't blame

[33:47] everyone anymore because I'm at the

[33:49] center of all my problems. It's about

[33:52] me, the choices I'd made."

[33:55] And I think that was the first time that

[33:56] I really

[33:58] took responsibility for my life, if I'm

[33:59] honest, it was my late 20s. Sure, I was

[34:02] responsible towards other things, but I

[34:03] like

[34:04] I would blame, I would put, you know,

[34:07] would try to play the victim in certain

[34:09] areas and say, "Nah, they didn't do

[34:10] something they should have done."

[34:12] And at this point I said, "Oh, this is

[34:14] all about me

[34:17] being at the center of these problems."

[34:20] And I started to have awareness around

[34:22] that. And a lot of people said, "Okay,

[34:24] if you're going to do a podcast, you got

[34:25] to make it your name." Cuz other people

[34:27] were doing like their name as their

[34:28] show. It's nothing against other people

[34:30] have their name as their show,

[34:32] but I was just like The Lewis Howes Show

[34:34] at this season of my life

[34:36] doesn't make sense because that's all

[34:38] about me still.

[34:39] So, I said, "How can I make this about

[34:41] others?"

[34:42] So, the School of Greatness came to mind

[34:46] as a show topic because I was like,

[34:47] "Man, I struggle in school, but I wish

[34:49] there was a school that could actually

[34:51] like teach people something about life

[34:53] and relationships and money." I was

[34:55] like, like a school of like greatness.

[34:57] And then it I was like, I like that. I

[34:59] like the sound of that. That sounds more

[35:00] interesting. That sounds like a school

[35:02] that I would love to attend. That sounds

[35:04] like a school that I would love to be a

[35:05] part of.

[35:07] And

[35:08] and so the name came to me. And I said,

[35:11] "All right, yeah, I like this better

[35:12] than the Lewis Howes show cuz that just

[35:14] seems so self-focused.

[35:16] Maybe later in my life, like, okay, I

[35:18] can switch it up, but

[35:20] School of Greatness with Lewis Howes

[35:21] feels better and I want to put the light

[35:23] on someone else. I want to do interviews

[35:25] with others where it's all about them.

[35:29] Not about me.

[35:30] Sure, I'm going to be asking the

[35:31] questions. It's going to be my show.

[35:34] Yada yada, I'm facilitating the

[35:35] conversation, but it's not all about me

[35:38] me me me me me the whole time.

[35:40] Now, over the after the first couple

[35:41] years, a lot of you said, "Lewis, we

[35:43] want more of your perspective." So, I

[35:45] started to do solos like this one.

[35:48] But, the core of the show,

[35:51] 80 90% of it is still interview-focused.

[35:54] It's about others and gaining insights

[35:57] and intel and information,

[35:59] research, frameworks from other people,

[36:01] lessons to share with you.

[36:05] And so my life really transformed

[36:07] after launching the show because

[36:10] I I just became obsessed even more so

[36:12] with other people and learning about

[36:14] their story. And when you ask an

[36:16] interesting question and you shut your

[36:18] mouth and you let people answer, they

[36:21] will reveal incredible things about

[36:23] their spirit and their soul.

[36:26] And if you become a space for them to to

[36:29] share these things,

[36:31] they will have, hopefully, a positive

[36:33] memory, a positive moment. And life is

[36:36] really about two things, memories

[36:40] of people that you spend time with and

[36:42] moments with those individuals.

[36:45] And if you can have

[36:47] good moments with people, then you're

[36:49] going to build quality relationships

[36:51] with them.

[36:52] So, we have relationships

[36:55] and moments that you get to share with

[36:57] certain people. That's really the makeup

[36:59] of our life. The people you interact

[37:02] with

[37:03] and the moments you make with them. And

[37:04] some of us make miserable moments with

[37:08] good people. Some of us make miserable

[37:10] moments with bad people in our life.

[37:13] And that becomes our life. The memories

[37:15] of those moments we made with the people

[37:17] that we experienced them with.

[37:19] And I really believe that our life

[37:21] should be how do we get to surround

[37:22] ourselves with more empowering and

[37:25] inspirational individuals in our lives

[37:28] and make good moments with them so that

[37:30] we have better memories.

[37:32] Cuz a lot of our pain is stemmed from

[37:36] memories that we interpret in a negative

[37:39] way.

[37:41] The memories from the past that we hold

[37:44] on to block our heart, block our mind

[37:48] from having a growth and abundant life

[37:51] or a stagnant and stuck life. It's how

[37:55] we interpret the memories

[37:58] of the moments

[37:59] with the relationships of our past.

[38:02] Think about it. A lot of things that

[38:04] hold you back today, you know, for me, a

[38:06] lot of my childhood was around proving

[38:09] people wrong who picked on me.

[38:12] Proving the bullies wrong, proving

[38:14] teachers wrong, proving coaches wrong

[38:17] who didn't think I would amount to much.

[38:19] And holding on to that memory from those

[38:22] relationships

[38:24] in a negative way

[38:26] instead of interpreting it differently

[38:29] and showing up differently in my life.

[38:32] And maybe you've gotten into a

[38:34] relationship based on a certain memory

[38:37] or certain

[38:38] thing that you felt like you were

[38:39] supposed to do. Maybe you got out of

[38:40] relationships. Maybe you got into a

[38:42] career because of certain things. Maybe

[38:44] you blocked your heart. Maybe you opened

[38:45] heart. Whatever it is

[38:47] is based on memories

[38:49] of moments you had with other people.

[38:52] When I started to make this about

[38:53] others,

[38:54] it doesn't mean I wasn't selfish at

[38:56] different times. Like listen, I'm a

[38:57] human being. I've made mistakes, but my

[38:59] intention was how do I make this about

[39:01] other people?

[39:02] My curiosity shifted towards others

[39:04] rather than self.

[39:06] And throughout the 2,000 episodes,

[39:09] this just allows me to keep learning

[39:11] because I still make it about other

[39:12] people.

[39:14] And it's been a beautiful beautiful

[39:16] lesson.

[39:17] Lesson number three,

[39:19] build it for the people who need it.

[39:22] Build it for the people who need it.

[39:24] From day one, the mission of the show

[39:25] has been to serve 100 million lives

[39:27] every single week.

[39:30] We're still going after that mission,

[39:32] but it's what has brought me the right

[39:35] audience.

[39:37] And when you're clear on what you're

[39:38] building and who it's for,

[39:41] the right people will find you and want

[39:43] to be a part of it. They'll want to be a

[39:44] part of the community. They'll want to

[39:46] conspire to support you in accomplishing

[39:48] that mission as well.

[39:50] And every single week someone tells me

[39:52] an episode changed something in their

[39:54] life or impacted them because of this

[39:56] show. A hard conversation that they

[39:58] finally had, a business that they

[39:59] finally started, a habit they finally

[40:01] broke.

[40:03] The numbers are incredible,

[40:05] but the person on the other side of the

[40:07] screen or other side of the

[40:10] of the who's listening

[40:12] is the reason why we do this. You know,

[40:15] reaching a billion downloads is is

[40:17] crazy. 2,000 episodes is amazing, but

[40:21] none of these 2,000 episodes

[40:23] wouldn't happen if it wasn't for you.

[40:25] For you deciding to show up, for you

[40:27] deciding to be a part of this community.

[40:29] And it's just been incredible.

[40:33] Literally, I was just in Egypt a couple

[40:36] weeks ago, again playing at the Club

[40:38] World Championships

[40:39] for handball, and we took a day off to

[40:42] go to the pyramids, the great pyramids,

[40:44] and we were, you know, trekking through

[40:46] the middle of the pyramids. Probably

[40:47] took 20 minutes to climb up through this

[40:50] tiny little tunnel and go into the

[40:52] pyramids and in the middle of the

[40:54] pyramids in Egypt, someone stopped me

[40:57] and said, "You're Lewis Howes. I love

[40:59] your show, The School of Greatness. It's

[41:01] made a big impact on my life."

[41:03] And it's just like it blows my mind that

[41:06] in the middle of the pyramids in Egypt

[41:10] that someone is a is a fan, is a

[41:11] listener of the show.

[41:13] And talking about how it's impacted

[41:16] them. I

[41:19] meet people all the time. Meet people

[41:21] all the time who have

[41:23] been impacted by this, who have

[41:26] talked about listening to a certain

[41:28] episode or being consistent listener or

[41:30] viewer of the show

[41:32] was an inflection point for them and

[41:34] helped them stay consistent in some one

[41:35] of their area of their life. We had a,

[41:37] you know, after I wrote the The Mask of

[41:40] Masculinity,

[41:42] I was touring on it. I did a book tour

[41:46] and I was really passionate about this

[41:47] book. Still am.

[41:50] But I went to a a prison visit one day

[41:53] because I got invited to go to a prison

[41:55] and meet with a group of men with

[41:57] Common, actually. Common went in and

[41:59] brought me and a group of other people

[42:01] here in LA

[42:02] to a prison

[42:03] uh just outside of LA.

[42:06] Maximum security prison. But they had a

[42:08] a group of inmates who had committed to

[42:11] not

[42:12] com- you know,

[42:13] doing bad things in prison. So, we have

[42:15] a group of inmates who are supposed to

[42:17] be in there for life.

[42:19] But had special privileges inside of

[42:21] this section of the prison because they

[42:23] said they weren't going to get in

[42:24] fights, they were going to have um

[42:27] do the right things, they were going to

[42:29] have good behavior, and they were trying

[42:31] to improve their life in prison.

[42:33] And within 30 minutes of going into this

[42:37] prison, someone comes up to me and goes,

[42:39] an inmate,

[42:41] you know, in an inmate's out uniform,

[42:43] comes up to me and says, "You're Lewis

[42:45] Howes." And I was like, I thought I was

[42:47] getting punked for a second.

[42:49] He said, "You're Lewis Howes." Now, this

[42:50] was 9 years ago. He said, "You're Lewis

[42:52] House?" And I go, "Yeah."

[42:54] And he goes, "I have your book, The Mask

[42:56] of Masculinity.

[42:57] And I've been teaching a men's class in

[43:00] prison with the exercises in this book."

[43:04] And I And I was kind of like in shock. I

[43:06] go, "No way. You don't have my book."

[43:08] And he said, "I'll prove it." He

[43:09] literally went to his cell, came back,

[43:12] and showed me this book. Now, the

[43:15] interesting thing, he we didn't have a

[43:17] paperback at that time,

[43:19] but he had, you know, they Someone had

[43:22] sent him the book. They took out the

[43:23] spine, so it couldn't be used as a

[43:25] weapon, so it wasn't hard, but he still

[43:27] had the cover and the whole book, and it

[43:29] was marked up with notes.

[43:31] And I was like, "This is crazy."

[43:34] So, I took a photo with him and the book

[43:37] inside the prison

[43:39] and watch a workshop that I lead with

[43:42] the inmates with the messages from your

[43:44] book.

[43:45] And this is probably the most rewarding

[43:48] 5-hour experience that I've ever had.

[43:50] One of the most rewarding was going back

[43:52] and co-leading a workshop with an inmate

[43:55] who'd been there for 20-something years,

[43:58] who was supposed to be in there for life

[44:00] for something he did as a teenager,

[44:02] and his name is Lee,

[44:04] and

[44:05] it was one of the most healing

[44:06] experiences of my life

[44:09] with a group of about 20-25 men, and I

[44:11] brought a few of the guys from

[44:13] um outside the prison walls to come in

[44:15] and help co-lead this. And it was the

[44:17] most vulnerable, real thing that I've

[44:18] ever experienced. It's so healing to

[44:21] hear the things that these men had been

[44:23] through before prison, in prison, and

[44:25] what they were committed to creating for

[44:28] their lives, whether they stayed in

[44:30] prison for the rest of their lives, or

[44:32] if they ever had the chance to get out.

[44:34] And to know that you may be stuck in uh

[44:38] a prison for the rest of your life,

[44:40] and yet you're going to commit to

[44:42] overcoming your past, you're committed

[44:44] to overcoming the pain you've

[44:46] experienced, the pain you've caused,

[44:48] and the harm you've done. And to learn

[44:51] about the the lives that they had, the

[44:53] environment that they grew up in. Not

[44:56] acknowledging that any of the acts that

[44:58] they did were okay, but to also have

[45:00] compassion for the extreme abuse, the

[45:03] extreme poverty, the extreme drug

[45:06] addiction that their parents went

[45:07] through, the lack of love, care, or

[45:09] support that they got compared to what a

[45:12] lot of us get.

[45:14] To realize, okay, this this type of

[45:16] environment

[45:18] may cause harm to this person who may

[45:20] cause harm to other people.

[45:23] I can still

[45:24] not be okay with certain things that got

[45:26] them in prison, but also understand the

[45:28] things

[45:29] that caused them to react the way they

[45:31] did under extreme circumstances.

[45:33] And then also acknowledge

[45:35] the beauty of the healing journey that

[45:38] they'd been on for 10, 20, 30 years,

[45:40] some of these guys.

[45:41] And the vulnerability, the lessons that

[45:43] they're learning about themselves,

[45:46] even though there may be no hope in

[45:48] sight for the future to get out.

[45:50] And it was a beautiful experience. And I

[45:53] was like, man,

[45:54] even if all this book, and it took a

[45:57] couple of years of me to to write and

[45:59] work on,

[46:00] even if all that did was help these 20

[46:03] to 25 men in prison start to heal,

[46:06] start to overcome their past,

[46:09] start to have a different relationship

[46:10] with their lives, to try to create a

[46:12] brighter future for themselves, even

[46:14] though there may not be a lot of hope

[46:16] for their future,

[46:18] this was worth it. This show was worth

[46:20] it, the book was worth it, everything

[46:21] was worth it. Even if it doesn't make me

[46:23] any money,

[46:24] it was still worth it.

[46:26] And beautiful thing, couple years after

[46:28] this moment,

[46:30] um this inmate who had my book in

[46:33] prison, who I went back to lead a

[46:35] workshop with,

[46:37] actually got out. And now he's doing

[46:39] great things

[46:41] for for a lot of people

[46:43] who are getting out of prison as well

[46:45] now.

[46:46] And um

[46:47] he's transformed his life.

[46:49] And for me,

[46:51] it none of this would have happened

[46:53] without this show, without you all being

[46:55] interested in this work, in the lessons,

[46:58] in the guests that we have on, in the

[46:59] books that we create for you that have

[47:02] exercises and and more lessons and

[47:04] teaching as well.

[47:07] That's just one example of the impact.

[47:10] And it's something I'm so grateful for.

[47:12] It's just a a been a beautiful beautiful

[47:16] journey.

[47:17] And the lesson here is you want to build

[47:19] it for the people who need it.

[47:22] And when I launched this,

[47:24] I was building it for myself cuz I

[47:27] needed a lot of help. I needed a lot of

[47:29] work

[47:30] to heal my journey. But I was also

[47:32] thinking of others.

[47:34] You know, we created the Summit of

[47:35] Greatness

[47:36] 10 years of the Summit of Greatness

[47:38] since 2015, I guess it was. 2015 2016

[47:41] was our first year.

[47:43] And we said, "How can we bring this

[47:45] community online to life?" And so we

[47:48] created a

[47:49] Summit of Greatness.

[47:51] And these are some of the greatest

[47:52] weekends every single year that we would

[47:53] do, bringing the podcast to life.

[47:57] And

[47:58] so many people from these events created

[48:01] incredible friendships.

[48:03] Some people got married, you know, from

[48:06] these events.

[48:07] Um there's a couple's couple's that got

[48:10] married that have kids now who met at

[48:13] the Summit of Greatness. People who've

[48:14] created business partnerships and

[48:16] launched businesses and made impact.

[48:18] And I think it's just been

[48:20] a powerful journey to know that

[48:23] everything that we do now, I was telling

[48:25] our team this this morning that the work

[48:28] we do now

[48:29] has the ability to impact people next

[48:31] year, 5 years, 10 years, 50 years in the

[48:34] future.

[48:35] And I want to make this and continue to

[48:37] make this for you, for what you're going

[48:40] through. And this is why we really lean

[48:42] into your comments and see what is the

[48:43] biggest challenge. Where's the pain

[48:45] point that you have in your life? And

[48:47] where do you feel stuck?

[48:49] I'm still

[48:51] looking for growth in certain areas of

[48:52] my life, so I'm curious about how to get

[48:54] to next levels.

[48:56] And yet I know you might be experiencing

[48:57] some stuckness as well.

[49:00] So I'd love to hear from you in the

[49:01] comments if you can

[49:04] if you can share one thing that has

[49:06] impacted you from this

[49:07] from this show over the last 2,000

[49:10] episodes, whether that you've been here

[49:12] since day one or this is your first day.

[49:15] What is one thing that you've gained

[49:17] from the School of Greatness? If you can

[49:18] share specifically in the comments

[49:20] below, it'd mean a lot. And also, what's

[49:22] one area of your life where you feel

[49:25] stuck still? Where you trying to grow?

[49:27] Where would you like to improve? Share

[49:29] that in the comments below. Okay, so

[49:31] lesson number four, your inner world

[49:34] determines your outer world.

[49:37] Or inner peace is the new rich.

[49:40] You can build everything on the outside

[49:42] and still push it all away from the

[49:44] inside. And the inner work

[49:47] that I've done and continue to do on

[49:48] myself is what finally let the good

[49:51] things stay with me.

[49:54] This has been a journey, guys. Not only

[49:55] the show, but the show has brought me to

[49:58] other things from emotional intelligence

[50:01] workshops to therapy to meditation,

[50:05] retreats, coaches,

[50:07] gratitude practices, breath work. And

[50:09] I've learned that peace is the highest

[50:12] currency there is. Inner peace, without

[50:14] it, you are a poor human being. If you

[50:16] do not have inner peace, you could have

[50:18] all the money and all the wealth and all

[50:20] the luxury in the world, but if you

[50:22] don't have inner peace, you are not

[50:24] living a rich life. A lot of these

[50:27] things I try on. A lot of the experts

[50:29] who who come on here, I try on.

[50:32] Uh from breath work to meditation. I

[50:35] went to India and did a week-long

[50:36] retreats

[50:38] doing meditation and breath work.

[50:40] Extremely powerful and profound at that

[50:42] season of my life

[50:43] that allowed me to create a lot more

[50:45] peace when I was struggling in a lot of

[50:46] chaos internally.

[50:48] I took a group of 12 or 13

[50:51] men, friend of my friends of mine, I

[50:53] took them to Poland and did a a

[50:55] week-long retreat. This was what, 6

[50:58] years ago now, with Wim Hof at the time

[51:00] where we were immersed ourselves in

[51:02] breath work, meditation, and a lot of

[51:04] ice,

[51:05] and freezing cold therapy

[51:08] training to overcome the chaos in our

[51:11] minds and inside of us.

[51:13] And we were sitting in, you know, frozen

[51:15] ice tubs, you know, 10 12 of us at a

[51:17] time

[51:19] for 10 minutes breathing. We jumped in

[51:20] the frozen rivers. We climbed a mountain

[51:22] half naked for almost 5 hours in the

[51:25] snow. It was freezing.

[51:28] But we learned how to overcome it with

[51:29] techniques and strategies during the day

[51:32] on opening ourselves up to peace.

[51:35] And some of the most beautiful things

[51:36] happened with the men in this group

[51:38] during that time. Dr. Joe Dispenza, who

[51:41] I had on here many times, ended up,

[51:45] you know, he would guilt me almost every

[51:46] time, "When are you going to come to my

[51:47] retreat?" And me and Martha finally went

[51:50] to his 7-day retreat, and it was

[51:51] life-changing. It was incredible.

[51:53] And, you know, I [snorts] I learned so

[51:56] much about myself during that. I had a,

[51:58] you know, they put a headset on my my

[52:00] whole head mapping my brain during one

[52:02] of the meditations. We did all these

[52:04] healing exercises. It was so profound.

[52:08] And for me, it's not just about how do I

[52:10] do an interview and just move on with my

[52:11] life. It's how do I immerse myself in

[52:13] the experience the best way possible

[52:16] with the time I have available at that

[52:17] season of my life. And I've tried to do

[52:19] that over this process. And a lot of you

[52:21] have as well. I've seen you do this. And

[52:23] peace today looks a lot different to

[52:25] what it did

[52:26] at episode 1 and episode 2 1,000, and

[52:29] now at episode 2,000, peace feels a lot

[52:31] different cuz I have the tools.

[52:33] It doesn't mean every day I'm perfectly

[52:35] peaceful,

[52:37] but I'm a lot in a lot more harmonic

[52:40] state of being

[52:42] with because I practice these tools.

[52:45] I've done the work.

[52:46] And it doesn't mean I'm finished and I'm

[52:48] going to be fine forever. It's a

[52:49] continual process

[52:52] of living in that state. There's so many

[52:54] guests over the years that have inspired

[52:56] me to

[52:57] continue to do the work.

[52:59] And I love to hear from you as well in

[53:01] the comments, what guest

[53:03] inspired you to do the work on yourself

[53:05] the most so far.

[53:07] Now, there's a second part to this

[53:09] episode that I wanted to start with

[53:11] here. And part two is

[53:13] what we're building towards. So, I just

[53:15] shared the four kind of key lessons

[53:18] from 2,000 episodes and man, it's been a

[53:20] journey.

[53:21] From talking about

[53:24] you know, poetry from a kid of what I

[53:26] hated, you know, in my early thoughts

[53:28] and my early relationship to life to

[53:30] handball journey to writing multiple

[53:32] books,

[53:33] New York Times best sellers,

[53:36] to all the different kind of experiences

[53:38] and lessons of healing and growth

[53:39] towards this show 2,000 episodes, but I

[53:41] want to share what we're building

[53:43] towards.

[53:44] At the 10-year mark,

[53:46] I said it felt like we were just getting

[53:48] started.

[53:49] You know, we're coming up on 14 years in

[53:51] the next few months, but at 10 years I

[53:53] remember saying, "We are just getting

[53:55] started." And I feel that even more

[53:56] today.

[53:57] We're constantly reinventing. We're

[54:00] diving in deeper

[54:01] as a team, myself also. I'm in a

[54:03] different season of life, you know, I'm

[54:05] married with kids and I'm thinking about

[54:08] different things than I was

[54:10] day one,

[54:11] episode 1,000, 10 years in, etc. And the

[54:15] next thousand episodes for me,

[54:20] I just keep thinking about how can I be

[54:21] of service in greater ways. Where will I

[54:24] be called?

[54:25] I I'm so open to where I'll be called

[54:28] for the next thousand episodes

[54:31] that

[54:32] I want to be a channel.

[54:34] I want to be

[54:36] clear

[54:37] and I want to be consistent towards that

[54:39] call. Right now, I feel called in a

[54:41] certain way to continue to do the things

[54:43] we're doing to reach a hundred million

[54:45] lives every single week.

[54:47] But I feel like there are certain things

[54:49] that have been shifting as well for me

[54:50] over the last year. And I want to

[54:52] continue to lean into service at the

[54:56] highest level for you. In some ways,

[54:58] that means creating boundaries in my

[54:59] life. In some ways, that means

[55:01] shifting content in a certain way to

[55:03] serve you, which I think will be a best

[55:05] of service for our future together.

[55:08] And

[55:09] I want this show to be known for

[55:12] making a true impact. Cuz there's a lot

[55:14] of people that have come and gone in

[55:16] creating shows, in creating podcasts.

[55:19] And there's no right or wrong, good or

[55:21] bad here. There's a lot of people that

[55:23] do things a certain way to chase views

[55:26] or chase money or chase certain things

[55:28] that they're going after at certain

[55:29] times. It's not right or wrong, good or

[55:31] bad cuz there's certain times where I

[55:33] was doing certain things as well. But

[55:35] for me, it's thinking about how can we

[55:37] serve? What are the things that we can

[55:39] do to help deeper, serve deeper?

[55:43] And in some ways, that may be saying no

[55:45] to certain types of money. That may be

[55:47] saying no to certain types of content,

[55:49] even though it might perform better or

[55:51] earn more,

[55:53] does it serve greater?

[55:55] So, it's figuring out how do we continue

[55:56] to serve you by listening more to you,

[55:58] by asking you more questions, by

[56:01] seeing your comments and engagement of

[56:03] what respo- what you're responding to,

[56:05] and diving in deeper of service,

[56:07] service, service. And one of my biggest

[56:09] goals is how can I continue to stay my

[56:12] healthiest? My health journey has gone

[56:15] up and down. Sometimes it's really

[56:16] peaked really well, and then other times

[56:18] I've fallen off

[56:19] over the last 13, 14 years, 2,000

[56:21] episodes. But my goal now more than ever

[56:23] is how can I continue

[56:26] to live the healthiest way I can to be

[56:29] of service to you cuz it's hard for me

[56:30] to serve you if I'm not taking care of

[56:32] me. Also, how can I continue to serve my

[56:34] marriage at the greatest level?

[56:37] My family at the greatest level.

[56:39] My dreams at the greatest level.

[56:42] You know, at 10 years,

[56:45] I talked about wanting to keep my

[56:47] childlike joy. Now that I have kids, I

[56:49] get to experience this childlike joy

[56:51] every single day. They bring it to me.

[56:53] So, I want to continue to live a life of

[56:55] play. Remember that it doesn't have to

[56:57] be serious and grinding and hard. It can

[57:00] be like a light discipline.

[57:03] It can be a discipline that also has

[57:06] joy, playfulness, childlike energy,

[57:09] you know, jokes, all these different

[57:10] things. And I think that's what

[57:13] will allow me or allow anyone to sustain

[57:15] anything for a long time.

[57:17] Being disciplined and consistent

[57:20] while also bringing as much play and joy

[57:22] to your day-to-day life.

[57:24] And that's what the future looks like

[57:26] for me.

[57:27] And the funny thing is that 2,000

[57:28] episodes, I don't know if like we've

[57:30] arrived, you know? What is 3,000

[57:32] episodes going to feel like? I don't

[57:33] know if it's going to feel like we've

[57:34] arrived then also. It's a constant

[57:36] journey. It's a constant flow of saying,

[57:39] "How can we make a big difference on the

[57:41] world and how can we make a difference

[57:43] to you?"

[57:44] And if we continue to think about you as

[57:46] the individual every single day, every

[57:49] single episode, think about what your

[57:50] needs are, what you're going through and

[57:53] speaking to you directly through these

[57:54] conversations,

[57:56] then the impact will

[57:58] would do what it needs to do on the

[58:00] world. But the more I focus on you,

[58:02] what you are specifically going through,

[58:05] I think the better it'll be. And that's

[58:07] one of the things that I think about for

[58:08] the next 10 years, the next thousand

[58:11] episodes, etc. And a lot of people ask

[58:13] me, "Lewis, what is What does greatness

[58:14] mean to you? You know, you ask this

[58:17] question all the time to others. You ask

[58:19] about

[58:20] people's definition of greatness."

[58:22] And in 2,000 episodes,

[58:24] this is the question underneath all of

[58:26] them. What does greatness actually mean?

[58:29] And what is your definition of

[58:30] greatness? Again, I've asked my guest

[58:33] that question for years. And my answer

[58:35] to this question has changed as I've

[58:39] evolved. Early on, I think it was more

[58:41] about accomplishment. It was about

[58:43] winning. It was about success. It was

[58:45] about

[58:46] being the best.

[58:48] But it's definitely changed today. And

[58:50] so my definition of greatness today is

[58:54] discovering your unique gifts and

[58:56] talents inside of you that God has given

[58:58] you and only you

[59:01] and pursuing your dreams with those

[59:03] gifts and talents. And in the pursuit of

[59:05] those dreams, making a difference on the

[59:07] people around you.

[59:09] And I truly believe that is greatness

[59:11] today. Maybe that changes in the future.

[59:13] Maybe I get a different perspective and

[59:14] something changes.

[59:16] And there's also a difference between

[59:18] the gifts and the talents you have and

[59:19] your calling.

[59:21] So, maybe this will be a future edit or

[59:23] adjustment

[59:25] to the definition for me.

[59:27] Uh you know, cuz right now it's about

[59:29] discovering the unique gifts and talents

[59:31] inside you to pursue your dreams and in

[59:33] that pursuit making the maximum impact

[59:35] on the people around you. But, I am

[59:36] assuming in the future it will be

[59:39] uh you know, around pursuing your

[59:41] dreams, but then really pursuing your

[59:43] calling.

[59:45] And dreams are not necessarily our

[59:47] calling. And the gifts that you have

[59:49] aren't always going to be your calling

[59:51] because me, my

[59:52] my gifts early on that I discovered were

[59:55] around sports, playing sports. You know,

[59:58] that was like a gift. But, then when the

[1:00:01] dream of being a professional athlete

[1:00:02] ended,

[1:00:04] it was like, "Oh, well, who am I? What

[1:00:05] are these gifts? Are these gifts still

[1:00:08] relevant? Are these talents still

[1:00:09] relevant if the dream is gone?"

[1:00:13] And so, I think those

[1:00:14] those gifts and those talents don't

[1:00:16] necessarily mean it will be

[1:00:19] the calling that you end up doing, that

[1:00:22] you end up end up pursuing or being a

[1:00:25] part of. So, for me, this is a part of

[1:00:27] my gifts and my talent, but I also

[1:00:29] believe this is part of my calling as

[1:00:31] well. But, I didn't know like, "Oh, I

[1:00:33] was going to do like a podcast or make

[1:00:35] this show that will have thousands of

[1:00:37] episodes." I didn't know that was going

[1:00:38] to be my life. I knew I wanted to make

[1:00:40] an impact.

[1:00:41] And I feel like I've used gifts and

[1:00:43] talents in order to do that with this

[1:00:44] show.

[1:00:45] But, there might be a greater calling.

[1:00:47] And I think that will be a part of

[1:00:49] greatness as well

[1:00:51] for the next thousand episodes.

[1:00:53] And the thing that inspires me is that

[1:00:54] everyone has a different definition of

[1:00:56] greatness. You know, when I ask people,

[1:00:58] uh sometimes I'm surprised by the

[1:01:00] people's responses and I'm like, "Oh,

[1:01:02] that's a really unique definition."

[1:01:05] And it also tells you about what is

[1:01:07] meaningful to the person that you ask as

[1:01:09] well.

[1:01:10] There's no right or wrong here, no good

[1:01:12] or bad, but for me it's

[1:01:13] it's all seasons of life. And I think

[1:01:15] I've just been inspired because I'm

[1:01:17] curious about other people, it lets me

[1:01:20] see behind the curtain of how other

[1:01:22] people think when they share their

[1:01:23] definitions.

[1:01:25] And one of the questions I typically ask

[1:01:26] towards the end as well is, what are

[1:01:27] your three truths?

[1:01:29] Something I ask at the end of almost

[1:01:30] every interview before the definition of

[1:01:32] greatness

[1:01:33] is I ask if, you know, if if all your

[1:01:35] content were erased and it was your last

[1:01:37] day, but you could share three lessons

[1:01:39] behind to the world, and this is all we

[1:01:41] would have to remember you by, what

[1:01:42] would those three lessons be? Or what

[1:01:44] would those three truths be? And this

[1:01:47] has evolved for me as well after 2,000

[1:01:49] episodes.

[1:01:51] But I want to keep it as simple as

[1:01:52] possible for you because I think simple

[1:01:55] is always better.

[1:01:57] Uh but for me,

[1:01:59] truth number one would be

[1:02:01] live a healthy life.

[1:02:03] Um live a healthy life in the total

[1:02:05] sense of the word. Physical health,

[1:02:08] mental health,

[1:02:09] emotional health, and spiritual health.

[1:02:12] And if you can focus on living a healthy

[1:02:16] life, being healthy,

[1:02:19] then you're going to be able to make a

[1:02:21] bigger impact, bigger difference on your

[1:02:24] friends, your family, loved ones,

[1:02:25] communities,

[1:02:27] classmates, peers,

[1:02:30] careers you work in, teams that you work

[1:02:32] with.

[1:02:33] You're going to make a bigger impact on

[1:02:34] the people around you by living a

[1:02:36] healthy life. You're going to be more

[1:02:37] inspiring to the people around you.

[1:02:39] You're going to be able to help them

[1:02:40] more.

[1:02:41] You're going to be able to serve them

[1:02:42] more. You're going to be more

[1:02:42] clear-minded

[1:02:44] when you have clear health.

[1:02:46] No one's going to be perfect. We're

[1:02:48] going to go through our challenges and

[1:02:49] ups and downs, but

[1:02:51] live a healthy life would be my first

[1:02:53] one

[1:02:54] because it will make everything else

[1:02:56] better when you are healthy.

[1:02:58] Second truth,

[1:03:01] live a peaceful life.

[1:03:03] This is probably a newer one for me

[1:03:04] because it's hard to A lot of people say

[1:03:07] love

[1:03:08] for one of their truths, which I agree

[1:03:09] with as well,

[1:03:11] but I truly believe that if you don't

[1:03:13] know how to live a peaceful life,

[1:03:17] it's hard for you to give love and

[1:03:18] receive love cuz you're always living in

[1:03:20] chaos within yourself.

[1:03:23] This connects to health in certain ways,

[1:03:25] but when you live a peaceful life,

[1:03:27] you're going to live a loving life. And

[1:03:29] the third one,

[1:03:30] once you have the first two,

[1:03:33] that's when you can truly do the third

[1:03:34] one, which is to live a life of service.

[1:03:38] The greatest reward is not in what we

[1:03:41] gain, it is what we're able to give to

[1:03:43] others.

[1:03:44] That doesn't mean you have to give money

[1:03:46] or donations or

[1:03:48] you know, possessions to people,

[1:03:50] but if you can give them presence, if

[1:03:52] you can give them a sense of peace, if

[1:03:54] you can give them time, attention,

[1:03:57] if you can give them your love, your

[1:03:58] support,

[1:04:00] whatever it is that you can give,

[1:04:02] >> [snorts]

[1:04:03] >> it's a beautiful thing.

[1:04:05] It's not about what we gain, it's about

[1:04:06] what we give to others

[1:04:08] that makes a difference.

[1:04:09] And I truly believe that the greatest

[1:04:12] feeling

[1:04:14] of success is when you are able to give

[1:04:17] to another and improve the quality of

[1:04:19] their life.

[1:04:20] And that's something that we're trying

[1:04:21] to do here on the School of Greatness

[1:04:23] every single day, every single episode

[1:04:25] is how can we support you? How can we

[1:04:28] help you improve the quality of your

[1:04:29] life? Because if we can improve our life

[1:04:33] and you can improve your life,

[1:04:35] then humanity as a whole is better. And

[1:04:37] imagine a world where everyone was

[1:04:38] thinking

[1:04:39] and acting and living this way.

[1:04:42] There would be a lot less chaos in

[1:04:44] families, a lot less chaos in

[1:04:46] relationships, a lot less individual

[1:04:47] chaos, there would be a lot less chaos

[1:04:49] in communities,

[1:04:50] cities, countries, there would be a lot

[1:04:53] less war,

[1:04:54] there would be less domestic violence,

[1:04:56] less sexual abuse, less suffering in the

[1:04:59] world

[1:05:00] if we're able to live by these three

[1:05:02] truths

[1:05:04] in this definition of greatness. And now

[1:05:06] I want to end

[1:05:08] this 2,000th episode

[1:05:10] the way my interviews do as well.

[1:05:13] Cuz at the end of all the interviews, I

[1:05:15] ask those two questions, but I also

[1:05:16] acknowledge my guests.

[1:05:19] For 2,000 episodes, I've tried to see

[1:05:21] the person in front of me and tell them

[1:05:23] what they mean to me and our interaction

[1:05:26] and to the world.

[1:05:28] And today, instead of the guest being

[1:05:29] the person in front of me, the guest is

[1:05:31] you. The person is you. And everything

[1:05:33] that came to me over these

[1:05:35] 13, almost 14 years

[1:05:38] came through people. Came through me

[1:05:39] interviewing people

[1:05:42] asking them questions, following up with

[1:05:44] them, reading through the lines, reading

[1:05:46] their body language to try to gain some

[1:05:48] information to give to you to help you.

[1:05:51] And I've always called this show our

[1:05:52] show. So, today, I want to have

[1:05:56] I want to give you the last word,

[1:05:57] actually.

[1:05:59] And so, if you can, go in the comments.

[1:06:01] I've already asked you to come on a

[1:06:02] couple of times, but you can go to the

[1:06:03] comments

[1:06:04] and tell me what this show has meant to

[1:06:06] you.

[1:06:08] Maybe that episode that changed

[1:06:09] something for you that you really

[1:06:10] remember. Maybe there was a quote from

[1:06:12] someone that you wrote down that you

[1:06:14] that you still think about daily.

[1:06:17] Maybe you remember where you were when

[1:06:19] you saw an episode or saw something

[1:06:22] that got you through a challenging time.

[1:06:24] I'd love to hear from you

[1:06:26] what your biggest takeaway was.

[1:06:29] And I want to thank you for being a part

[1:06:32] of this 2,000th episode.

[1:06:34] I can't wait for the next one and the

[1:06:36] next 1,000 to go. And I want to

[1:06:39] acknowledge you for showing up in your

[1:06:41] life, for showing up today, for being a

[1:06:43] part of this episode, for caring enough

[1:06:46] to stick around to the very end.

[1:06:48] To caring enough to show up consistently

[1:06:50] here.

[1:06:51] And to care enough to lean into the

[1:06:54] messy stuff that we share here.

[1:06:57] A lot of this stuff is not

[1:06:59] light. It's not superficial. It's not

[1:07:03] you know, on the surface.

[1:07:05] I like to go a little deeper and I'm

[1:07:07] sure I can continue to go deeper

[1:07:09] as we go. So, I'm going to acknowledge

[1:07:11] you for showing up for doing your best

[1:07:14] to do the work

[1:07:16] for doing the best to reflect and be

[1:07:17] aware of your own life, the mistakes

[1:07:19] you've made, the shame, the challenges

[1:07:20] that you've been through reflecting on

[1:07:22] them,

[1:07:24] and giving yourself permission to accept

[1:07:26] the past and improve who you are today

[1:07:30] for what matters in your life, whether

[1:07:32] that's your friends, your family, your

[1:07:34] kids, your spouse, your parents,

[1:07:36] whatever it might be for you, what

[1:07:38] matters to you, the dreams that you want

[1:07:40] to bring towards your life as well.

[1:07:43] I acknowledge you for showing up, for

[1:07:45] being consistent, for taking care of

[1:07:47] yourself,

[1:07:48] for consuming information and content

[1:07:51] that is empowering for your life.

[1:07:55] And if no one has told you lately, I

[1:07:56] want to remind you that you are loved,

[1:07:58] you are worthy,

[1:08:00] and you matter,

[1:08:01] and I can't wait to see you in the next

[1:08:04] episode.

[1:08:05] >> The challenge of inner peace is that you

[1:08:06] can't pay for it. You could have

[1:08:08] everything in the world, you could be

[1:08:09] the most successful person in the world,

[1:08:11] but if you don't know how to handle

[1:08:13] problems that are happening in your

[1:08:15] life, then you're always going to have

[1:08:17] stress, [music] you're always going to

[1:08:18] be struggling, and the challenges will

[1:08:20] feel bigger than they actually are.

[1:08:22] >> He's a number one New York Times

[1:08:23] bestselling author whose

Lewis Howes
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Author and podcaster who inspires millions through 'The School of Greatness,' blending personal development wisdom with vulnerable storytelling to help others achieve their dreams.

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According to the episode description, the four lessons cover consistency, service, knowing who you are building for, and the inner work that lets good things stay. Howes frames consistency as the foundation: after 13 years without missing a week, he says the life you want starts coming toward you when you keep showing up.
Howes says he started the show in 2013 in his living room with an iPhone, with no studio, no team, no audience, and no prior experience running a show. He describes the real start as a shift in focus, asking how he could make life about serving others and learning from people who had overcome serious adversity.
Howes says the book grew from his decision to reveal his insecurities, shame, and weaknesses so they would no longer have power over him. He describes it as the book he is most proud of, even though it was not a New York Times bestseller.
Howes's argument is that dreams don't come from chasing harder. He says they come from who you become by showing up week after week, with the repetition itself changing the person doing the work. Consistency, in his telling, is what makes big goals reachable over time.
In the episode, inner work refers to healing the shame, insecurity, and beliefs that keep you from feeling enough. Howes describes the peace and acceptance he found through healing, which freed him from needing accomplishments to feel worthy and helped the good things in his life stay.
Howes says that once he stopped making his life about himself and asked how he could serve, his work became more honest and more useful. Sharing his own struggles was a form of service, because he believed it could help someone carrying the same weight.
In the episode, Howes reads a poem he wrote as a first grader for a poetry week assignment, titled School by Lewis Howes. It reads: I hate school. I hate school. I hate doing homework. I hate doing papers. I hate school. He uses it to show how deeply he disliked the school system and why he later built a school of his own.

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