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[0:04] let's introduce ourselves
[0:09] all right I'm Julia mossbridge I'm going
[0:12] to talk about my experience and what I
[0:15] think it means and information and
[0:17] signaling
[0:18] I'm Shalom I'm a physicist and attending
[0:22] this conference and it's not the first
[0:25] time that we've made but okay great
[0:27] pleasure yeah so yeah pretty fun stuff
[0:31] okay
[0:33] so this is what happened I'm going to
[0:36] pretend optional minor like particles
[0:39] but also I'll tell you what happened to
[0:41] us so there's the optional
[0:44] particle and there's the Julia particle
[0:46] and this is going to be time
[0:50] okay
[0:51] so the other day the first day of the
[0:54] conference
[0:57] and I were walking to the conference
[0:59] site
[1:00] and he said to me
[1:02] he gave me a little bit of information
[1:05] that was a signal that had meaning and
[1:07] he said to me you look wonderful
[1:10] and I was
[1:12] argument someone a man says you look
[1:14] wonderful you always have to ask as a
[1:16] woman what is he trying to do I'm
[1:19] married does he know that all these
[1:20] things but I looked into his eyes and I
[1:22] could see he was just saying
[1:25] he was just saying that I look wonderful
[1:28] and I said to him I'm all sweaty because
[1:30] I've just been running
[1:32] so I gave him a signal back saying
[1:34] basically thank you and here I am in all
[1:37] my glory
[1:38] but this exchange of informations and
[1:42] I'm calling these signals because they
[1:43] had meaning to you just
[1:45] Tangled us so now we're in Tangled so we
[1:48] go off on our life and then the next day
[1:50] I'm imagining that we're still entangled
[1:53] because here I am at the bottom of a
[1:56] hill
[1:58] and I was just thinking about Shalom I
[2:00] turned the corner of the hill I look up
[2:02] the hill and here's his little elephant
[2:05] face
[2:06] coming but there's a big hair looking up
[2:10] in my future because he was standing on
[2:13] the part of the Hill while I was
[2:14] planning to walk it was A New Path for
[2:15] me
[2:16] so here's our Shalom and I was seeing
[2:18] him and I'm thinking the meaning is I
[2:21] see him
[2:22] so sorry the information is going this
[2:24] way from him to me I see him
[2:27] and it gives me meaning I say yes he's
[2:29] showing me that I can go in that path
[2:31] and I also notice that it looks like
[2:33] he's having a meaningful experience like
[2:36] an experience of connection
[2:38] so this is a information that has is a
[2:41] signal but it's not returned he does not
[2:45] see me at all so there's no
[2:48] information from me going this way okay
[2:52] but he also has meaning so I have m
[2:57] and he has M and they're very similar
[3:00] meanings his meaning is also he can tell
[3:03] you about it but his meaning is also of
[3:05] connection and gratitude
[3:08] so we have this moment of shared meaning
[3:11] it's not a signal being passed between
[3:13] us we just simultaneously have it
[3:16] there's information going this way and
[3:18] there's no information going from this
[3:20] particle to that particle the Julia to
[3:22] the optional particle later that day we
[3:25] meet up around the coffee table
[3:29] just before the this is still day two
[3:31] but later
[3:33] some delta T
[3:36] we meet up and now we exchange words
[3:38] about what happened I said optional you
[3:41] poked up at the top of the hill and I
[3:43] saw you and I had this experience of
[3:46] this meaning and he said at that time I
[3:48] was having an experience of meaning
[3:51] I was also feeling this at this meeting
[3:53] I didn't see you I didn't see you and we
[3:55] talked about how we could say the the
[3:59] blessing for being brought to this
[4:02] moment and
[4:04] a sort of state of grace
[4:06] so in any case now we both communicated
[4:09] about the meaning now we are sending it
[4:11] for we are both receiving and sending
[4:13] information and it has been it has
[4:16] meaning to both of us within this
[4:17] information as opposed to here where the
[4:20] meaning was separately
[4:21] arising but matched
[4:24] and then there was a lack of information
[4:26] going forward in time but there was
[4:28] information coming from the future to
[4:29] the past if you imagine us as a
[4:31] different locations in time so I just
[4:33] think this might have something to do
[4:35] with the fact that when we look at um
[4:39] um experiments like
[4:42] entanglement and time or delayed Choice
[4:45] experiments we often stop here
[4:49] and we think about when we think about
[4:51] the conservation of information we often
[4:53] stop here and we we start to talk about
[4:56] impossibilities here but if we include
[4:59] that later when there's a completely
[5:01] local interaction where information and
[5:03] meaning can be exchanged but that could
[5:06] actually potentially be part of the this
[5:09] this full picture might be the picture
[5:11] where information
[5:14] can be conserved
[5:17] and then when we worry about no
[5:19] signaling maybe we have to worry about
[5:21] it in this or not worry about it in this
[5:22] whole context
[5:24] did that make sense
[5:25] absolutely okay
[5:31] uh there are a few uh planes
[5:37] um
[5:38] that in which I can comment on what you
[5:40] said one is very very personal and
[5:43] intimate and I don't mind showing it and
[5:46] the two others are scientific one
[5:47] biological one physical
[5:50] I'm I'm a scientist and usually I don't
[5:53] feel comfortable in when people attach
[5:57] too much meaning to such synchronicities
[5:59] as young and others would like to do you
[6:03] also endorse parapsychology I stay away
[6:07] from it I say I'm a physicist and what
[6:09] I'm doing is physics
[6:11] however yesterday I was stabbed and so
[6:14] to explain why I should say something
[6:18] about myself what happened to me during
[6:20] the last few months
[6:22] a time and again I found myself in
[6:25] emergency rooms in hospitals the reason
[6:28] was that there was some very strange
[6:30] symptom of dizziness and it was very
[6:33] strong and you know hypochondriacs
[6:36] sometimes imagine all kinds of things
[6:38] and it was very serious and so I went to
[6:41] emergency room and the doctors time and
[6:44] again examined me to the point that they
[6:47] gave me a head City and said itself we
[6:51] don't find anything who knows let's hope
[6:53] that everything is fine uh I'm I still
[6:57] have this fear that who knows I might
[6:59] have some rare disease and the on my
[7:02] Tombstone that will be in scripted I
[7:04] told you I have something but you know I
[7:07] am really
[7:08] doing these three times uh I saw other
[7:11] people younger than me really sick there
[7:14] was a woman with leukemia younger than
[7:16] me another guy was lupus and so on
[7:20] now I came here and I turned 65 and I
[7:22] came to San Diego but our good friend
[7:25] Daniel Sheehan invited invited me to and
[7:30] I was bitter yesterday you know as we
[7:33] say
[7:35] I was not happy then I stopped myself
[7:38] because this place is so beautiful and I
[7:40] stood looking at the valley and I said
[7:43] shame on you
[7:45] why don't you know to appreciate to get
[7:49] the gifts that says God whoever gave you
[7:52] please be thankful believe it or not
[7:55] that was the moment that you saw me so I
[7:58] was to the point of Tears yesterday here
[8:00] when we talked
[8:02] should I now convert and to some kind of
[8:05] spirituality I don't know I I hope I'm
[8:08] humble enough to confess that there are
[8:11] things that we don't understand now what
[8:13] can I do to answer you there are two
[8:16] walks of mine which may be relevant here
[8:18] I uh as a physicist I work on the
[8:21] thermodynamic aspect of biology and
[8:25] there are some works of mine showing
[8:27] that we can understand Evolution from
[8:29] the thermodynamic Viewpoint as a process
[8:32] by in which there is more information
[8:35] within us Darwin said that we adapt the
[8:39] evolution means adaptation and what I
[8:42] suggested to do is to show that
[8:44] adaptation requires information about
[8:47] the environment and it doesn't have it
[8:50] doesn't have to be information in my
[8:52] brain my DNA has information my my
[8:55] tissues all have information and so on
[8:58] I think that whoever wants to read about
[9:01] these Works can find them in the
[9:03] internet that we go to something deeper
[9:06] the tires that data system working on
[9:09] and this is the issue of this conference
[9:11] right yo this is a conference about so
[9:14] hope so let me let me do it here sorry
[9:17] for writing this
[9:19] um but this is the conference about time
[9:21] machines and we are discussing it about
[9:24] civility that
[9:26] that there will be machines that will
[9:29] take us backwards or forwards in time
[9:31] and I am the killjoy in this conference
[9:33] because I think I don't think that you
[9:34] can travel in
[9:36] the reason why I think so and this is I
[9:38] think one of the greatest riddles of
[9:40] physics is if not the greatest rhythm is
[9:44] that there is something very strange
[9:45] about time
[9:47] there is case and there is time and
[9:49] there is a radical difference between
[9:51] in space I can remain
[9:53] where I am I can go forward I can go
[9:56] backwards
[9:57] nothing like that in time and you can
[10:00] stay at this at the moment you can't go
[10:02] backwards you can stop going forward
[10:04] time seems to have a direction
[10:07] amazingly physics denies this difference
[10:11] because we have special productivity we
[10:14] have general relativity that tell us
[10:16] that the universe is a four-dimensional
[10:19] Continuum and actually time and space
[10:23] are similar in the following
[10:27] absurd meaning we are now in San Diego
[10:31] there is
[10:33] Andromeda there is a mass there is oil
[10:37] there are other places in the universe
[10:39] and we don't say that only this place on
[10:41] Earth is real and the others are not
[10:43] angry we are humble enough to know that
[10:45] all of them have the same degree of
[10:47] reality we say however that today Friday
[10:51] is real yesterday is no more real
[10:53] Saturday tomorrow is not yet real there
[10:56] is this is the difference between time
[10:58] and space relativity says forget about
[11:01] it
[11:02] all of times all instances of time have
[11:06] the same degree of existence that is the
[11:09] baby me and the baby you and the old me
[11:11] and the audio and the all the history of
[11:14] the universe all the times are just have
[11:17] the same degree of existence why do I
[11:20] and you believe that we are Absalom and
[11:23] Julia who spoke yesterday and we met the
[11:26] day before yesterday
[11:28] physics has kind of
[11:32] complex explanation to that we are World
[11:35] lines is four-dimensional entities we
[11:38] are
[11:39] three dimensional sections of a board
[11:41] line which is four-dimensional that
[11:44] means that all the moments in our lives
[11:46] still coexist together so it's not one
[11:50] option on top of the one Julia there are
[11:53] zillions of options along my world life
[11:55] past as future and like you and each of
[11:58] them are throwing a single syllable or
[12:00] hearing a single syllable
[12:04] two things I want to say about this
[12:06] picture one you cannot understand
[12:08] Lauren's contraction I can show that in
[12:11] relativity Theory you cannot understand
[12:13] gravity without making this assumption
[12:15] that all times all instances of time are
[12:18] just as well as old as all places in
[12:21] Space the other thing that I want to say
[12:23] about this is that it's so dumb I don't
[12:27] believe any of this
[12:29] for God's sake there is something called
[12:32] the now which is moving and it's not
[12:34] an illusion
[12:37] how can I prove it have I been able to
[12:40] probe it I will be dancing on the ropes
[12:42] and on my way to stockhol
[12:45] M but quantum mechanics which is my
[12:47] profession keeps telling me that there
[12:49] is something very very missing even
[12:52] wrong in this relativistic picture we
[12:55] have the uncertainty principle we have
[12:57] the
[12:58] um we have them superposition we have so
[13:01] many non-locality which say that
[13:04] something is really wrong with itemsense
[13:06] feel that nothing can go faster than
[13:08] right things influences quantum
[13:10] mechanical influences go with infinite
[13:12] state
[13:14] for many years I'm trying to work on a
[13:18] fairway where time is really moving so
[13:21] it does the problem like Einstein I mean
[13:24] code scale will say let's have a diagram
[13:27] so that will be X stays it should be
[13:30] three dimensions x y z and that should
[13:33] be t
[13:34] so these are up Shalom and Julia uh I
[13:38] I'm in Israel you are in the United
[13:40] States
[13:42] last time before San Diego I believe it
[13:46] was somewhere in Europe
[13:48] um again
[14:01] and you know we will
[14:04] we will die one day we were born one
[14:07] time one day it is important to mention
[14:09] this because you know Einstein had a
[14:12] long time friend Michaela beso they were
[14:15] the best of friends with the stories
[14:17] about the pencil helps Einstein with
[14:20] special productivity than the general
[14:21] relativity is helping him with his
[14:24] divorce he helped him with his son who
[14:26] was confined in a mental Asylum he was
[14:29] the best friend you could imagine
[14:31] and besso told Einstein Einstein
[14:35] relativity theory is beautiful but there
[14:37] is something missing time is moving time
[14:40] there is a passage of time and I can say
[14:42] no Michaela you have to understand that
[14:44] there is no such thing there are letters
[14:46] between them then a few years passed
[14:49] sorry I should say a few years seem to
[14:52] have passed
[14:53] and which imposes the message of time
[14:56] everybody even if he is Einstein
[14:59] vessel died
[15:01] and item was devastated and he wrote to
[15:04] Basil's son the condolence letter very
[15:07] strange
[15:08] Michaela has proceeded me living This
[15:10] Strange World this is not important for
[15:13] us physicists the distinction between
[15:16] past present and future is an illusion
[15:19] however persistence he died four weeks
[15:22] later
[15:23] so what Einstein is saying well
[15:26] wow
[15:27] why why cry on vessel he didn't really
[15:30] die he has his broad line I have my
[15:33] world line it turns out that my
[15:35] waterline if you know a few weeks longer
[15:38] than him but the young person Albert are
[15:41] still there the oldest and all the
[15:43] Albert are still there
[15:45] never liked such a condolence letter to
[15:48] an orphan you you know that
[15:51] but this is his his
[15:53] belief and this is if you ask
[15:56] uh most of the physicists who are doing
[15:58] productivity I tried this in in this
[16:01] conference most of them say yeah I
[16:04] believe in that no Freedom uh whatever I
[16:07] will decide tomorrow is already there I
[16:09] just don't know about it but future is
[16:11] there the past is there and I should
[16:14] only say in in defense of identity once
[16:17] told khanap that the fact that we have
[16:19] to abandon the idea of the now is a
[16:21] matter of painful but inevitable
[16:23] resignation
[16:25] so at least he said and painful physics
[16:28] today don't feel like that there is
[16:30] anything strange about it and it is so
[16:32] absurd for God's sake
[16:34] for many years I'm trying to
[16:37] develop an alternative picture
[16:40] it is not a theory because otherwise I
[16:42] could offer tests from it but it is a
[16:46] model and I hope one day to be able to
[16:48] derive testimony and it says the
[16:50] following
[16:51] the PHL does not exist
[16:53] that's not there is a sense in which
[16:56] there is a now that may providing brand
[17:00] very mysterious now
[17:02] that goes afterwards and we are not
[17:05] worldwide if we are World Lines Just
[17:08] static Road lines but we are on world
[17:10] lines that grow
[17:14] just as this red line
[17:17] now progresses
[17:21] so here
[17:24] okay so there is becoming this is the
[17:27] the name of this approach in the
[17:29] philosophical literature is becoming
[17:34] versus blocky universe
[17:44] now people say don't go there because if
[17:47] you think that there is something like
[17:49] now which moves what is the velocity of
[17:52] this thing that moves
[17:54] question because then it means that you
[17:56] need a higher time to run another one so
[17:59] they say I don't want to go there don't
[18:01] you don't vote and I still go there I do
[18:04] have
[18:05] an answer to that you don't need an
[18:07] Infinity of times and I although I don't
[18:10] have an answer to that I
[18:13] mean I don't care
[18:15] and here's what I want to say
[18:17] if there are no events in the future
[18:19] then there is no space time in the
[18:21] future and
[18:24] space time is growing
[18:28] who says that space time has begun in
[18:32] the singularity and this is growing ever
[18:34] since it is not that the universe is
[18:37] growing within some other space larger
[18:40] space the universe is space the universe
[18:42] is time that is why we can't ask what
[18:45] happened before the Big Bang because
[18:48] time was there I don't mean I don't say
[18:51] that you we shouldn't ask the question
[18:53] perhaps that perhaps there is something
[18:54] very profound
[18:57] waiting for us but that means that
[19:01] actually there is no space there is no
[19:04] time and no space time beyond the now
[19:06] the the universe is going not only in
[19:10] space but also in time and so our
[19:12] theorem is in very good agreement with
[19:15] uh with a big bang and here comes what I
[19:18] find the most exciting thing I'm a
[19:19] Quantum physicist I happen to be the
[19:22] lucky discoverer of little vitamin bone
[19:25] testing experiment which is very
[19:26] paradoxical even a measurement which has
[19:30] no result
[19:31] accepts an effect because you know in
[19:35] the bomb testing experiment because the
[19:36] bomb could have exploded so even if it
[19:39] does not explode it changes the behavior
[19:41] of the photon that's very crazy
[19:44] what I argue is that we can have a much
[19:47] better understanding of quantum
[19:49] phenomena within this field because what
[19:52] is the problem with quantum mechanics it
[19:54] is this weird creature called the wave
[19:56] function so come on how could there be I
[19:59] sent a photon electron atom molecules
[20:02] sometimes we can do it and the quantum
[20:05] mechanics tells me that it spreads like
[20:07] a wave going in all directions and it's
[20:09] a wave it it manifests diffraction
[20:14] interference Doppler all the things that
[20:17] the wave does you can show
[20:18] electronically do the neutron could do
[20:21] that the molecule detect it it's once
[20:23] again a localized particle people don't
[20:25] understand it neither do I
[20:27] what I suggest is the following we find
[20:31] that it is strange that Quantum objects
[20:35] behave like that because we think that
[20:36] there is space time within which they
[20:39] are doing strange things how about
[20:41] saying that assuming that the quantum
[20:45] interaction precedes space-time
[20:49] this is what I find it's very exciting
[20:51] so that could be the evolution of an
[20:53] electron and that could be the evolution
[20:55] of another chain
[20:57] they interact out of space-time
[21:01] and when they interact they create space
[21:04] time with themselves it is not the
[21:06] states time was their own but space-time
[21:09] is emerges out of the quantum
[21:11] interaction yeah go ahead can I ask the
[21:13] question so in this model
[21:15] um so this is exciting because I I do
[21:18] feel like an emergent SpaceTime is a is
[21:21] an interesting thing to play with but in
[21:23] this model is the now a physical thing
[21:26] because to me this is what I mean by
[21:28] meaning
[21:29] so it's like we are taking an experience
[21:33] and we are
[21:35] we are putting meaning into it
[21:38] and that's a non-vis meaning is
[21:40] non-physical meaning is a Consciousness
[21:42] base or whatever you want to call it
[21:44] it's something that's non-physical
[21:46] and so could could the could the meaning
[21:49] be what basically is like a moving
[21:52] progenitor of space-time that helps
[21:55] allow space-time to emerge itself almost
[21:57] like this meeting is like the wound the
[22:00] womb of becoming a space-time could that
[22:03] make sense why not but then my question
[22:05] is why not say that it is physical
[22:07] Perhaps it is the most physical thing in
[22:09] the universe tell me more about that
[22:12] I wish I could also but I mean physical
[22:14] things usually have some kind of
[22:16] physical measurement
[22:18] and and and so so the reason I say maybe
[22:22] think of it is not physical because it
[22:25] seems like the universe has these sort
[22:27] of weirdly if if they're not
[22:29] non-physical they're very weirdly
[22:31] physical
[22:32] that is very weird so so whatever it is
[22:34] it's behave it behaves differently
[22:35] because
[22:37] because it doesn't seem to have some
[22:38] kind of physical environment and yet
[22:40] it's experience it's the problem it's
[22:42] not probably it is the number one
[22:43] experience what Descartes says I think
[22:45] therefore I am that is about the now
[22:48] that is about existence in the now yeah
[22:50] and so yeah we have to start from there
[22:53] because we know it exists yeah and let's
[22:55] make the Cornerstone of human physics
[22:58] why that basically abilities that
[23:00] approach they said physical this is not
[23:02] not physical take this thing you think
[23:04] that it's not critical and make it if I
[23:07] find it
[23:08] sounds good because it's all that we
[23:10] know it's the very first thing that we
[23:11] know no if this is correct yeah okay
[23:14] well so now I have a question about
[23:15] special relativity so the whole reason
[23:17] the black universe that picture exists
[23:20] isn't it because Makowski reads special
[23:22] relativity and says so if I'm traveling
[23:24] at a different you know acceleration
[23:27] um I should a different philosophy I'm
[23:29] sorry I should get here you know before
[23:32] this other person does so this has to
[23:33] exist so how do you take care of that
[23:35] how do you do special relativity with
[23:38] this kind of moving I can I can I I I it
[23:42] will I will I will need my presentations
[23:44] to do that so count on me that I can do
[23:47] that I can show that so first of all Let
[23:50] me show why I think that quantum
[23:52] mechanics
[23:53] is can be interpreted in a much better
[23:56] understood in a much better way this way
[23:59] the interaction creates space-time that
[24:03] means that the interaction actually
[24:04] tells you whether these two particles
[24:07] will be closer to one another
[24:10] or further from one from one another
[24:13] which is
[24:14] reminds us of the Holy trial of physics
[24:17] we want a unified field Theory gravity
[24:20] electromagnetism here none of these
[24:23] theories you know with string theories
[24:25] are so ridiculous they invoke 19 space
[24:29] dimensions some of them curved and so on
[24:31] but they don't do anything about time it
[24:33] is time which is the most interesting
[24:36] so attraction propulsion gravity
[24:39] electromagnetism and so on the way to
[24:41] unify that we can come from this
[24:43] I think that I can show that the the
[24:46] fact that the speed of light is
[24:48] invariance for all observers comes from
[24:50] this because if there is a ray of light
[24:53] coming to me and I go towards it and oh
[24:57] run away from it how is it that I
[24:59] perceive this that I always measure the
[25:01] same velocity perhaps the burn
[25:03] interaction between me and and the
[25:05] source of the light just determines the
[25:08] history even backwards as we say here in
[25:10] in in this conference so it is the
[25:13] interaction which actually tells you
[25:15] what was before and what was after
[25:17] whether it was late or or so it's this
[25:20] discussion where we figure out what
[25:22] happened that tells us the history
[25:35] to what I think is the main thing yeah
[25:37] there is something very interesting
[25:39] about this now and that is that you
[25:42] almost can't do anything with it because
[25:44] it is the most elusive thing that you
[25:47] can think about here is now it the
[25:50] moment you hear me it's not anymore now
[25:52] it's the past that is the most inclusive
[25:55] thing in the universe but perhaps if we
[25:58] make it a corner of
[26:00] the Cornerstone of physics
[26:02] then we can understand the equators for
[26:05] you of all times the Mind Body problem
[26:08] what is consciousness here is human
[26:10] being we are going outside and we see a
[26:13] red flower and we see the blue sky and I
[26:16] say Julia look this is red this is blue
[26:18] you say yes and perhaps you know evil
[26:21] perhaps you know another language and
[26:23] I'm satisfied that in all languages we
[26:26] are referred to the same thing this is
[26:27] right this is true suppose that we are
[26:30] both you are you know physiologists
[26:33] about the time too suppose that we can
[26:35] inspect each other's brain and we are
[26:37] satisfied that it is actually the same
[26:39] process that make use after red and
[26:42] outer blue
[26:43] something is still unknown and will
[26:46] remain forever unknown in the presence
[26:48] about that is it possible that your
[26:50] Globe is migrant your subjective belief
[26:53] is it possible that you have no
[26:55] subjective experience at all you're just
[26:57] a zombie or I'm a Zombie this is the
[27:00] mind-body problem I think that within
[27:02] this parallel
[27:04] there is something unique about this
[27:06] moment something so unique that we can
[27:08] this is it runs away from us you can put
[27:12] it in the laboratory but that is the
[27:14] most real thing in our life
[27:16] this is what existentialism tells us
[27:19] every moment in our life is unique it's
[27:23] special is is just it's that and it will
[27:28] go and never come back and then it will
[27:31] come another moment in another moment
[27:33] there is a sense of miracle in our
[27:36] about which we should be thankful your
[27:40] question about meaning we we need to
[27:42] talk hours more hours about it but I
[27:45] that it has something to do what is
[27:47] Meaningful
[27:48] this moment now that we are talking that
[27:51] there is an encounter between something
[27:52] very very genuine
[27:55] very authentic it has to do with this
[27:58] thing which is still outside of the
[28:00] realm outside
[28:01] it's one day it will be the foundation
[28:05] of science
[28:13] right
[28:15] thank you for listening
[28:17] wow all right I have another question oh
[28:20] but let's go get some lunch soon