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[0:00] Wake me up.
[0:01] >> [music]
[0:03] >> Wake me up again. Oh, wake me up.
[0:08] Wake me up again. Just [music] wake me
[0:11] up.
[0:13] Wake me up again, my love.
[0:17] Oh, won't you wake [music] me up?
[0:24] Hello and welcome to the show. We got
[0:27] some fantastic stuff going up. But first
[0:29] of all, Derek Asher, skateboarding
[0:31] barber.
[0:32] Derek,
[0:34] thanks for watching us. You can see Stay
[0:36] Free with Russell Brand wherever Rumble
[0:38] is available. But eventually, you got to
[0:39] come on Rumble, baby, especially if
[0:41] you're interested in free speech. Now,
[0:43] Derek, you are a skateboarding barber.
[0:45] There's no other way of describing it.
[0:47] >> Correct.
[0:48] >> Well, well, you can't skateboard while
[0:50] you're barbering me. It's too dangerous.
[0:51] But will you simply barber me
[0:54] in a sedentary way?
[0:55] >> I will barber you so hard right now.
[0:57] >> DON'T YOU BARBER.
[0:58] >> [laughter]
[0:59] >> I hereby officially grant my consent to
[1:01] for you to barber me to within an inch
[1:03] of my life.
[1:04] >> I got you.
[1:04] >> Get barbering, baby.
[1:05] >> Let's do it.
[1:06] >> Okay. So, tell me how long how long have
[1:08] you been a barber?
[1:09] >> Uh 7 years.
[1:11] >> 7 years of barbering. And
[1:13] one thing I will say is I don't like
[1:14] being itchy.
[1:16] >> Yeah, we got to keep for you, sir. Keep
[1:18] all the hair off you.
[1:18] >> Okay. Well, dress me up then. There's
[1:20] going to be a bit where you're behind
[1:21] me, I presume. Now, don't take
[1:22] advantage. That's what I will say,
[1:24] Derek. What are you all going to do?
[1:25] Just a beard?
[1:26] >> Yeah, just a beard.
[1:27] >> Yeah, yeah, I don't want a haircut live
[1:29] on the air.
[1:29] >> making sure you don't go crazy and then
[1:31] >> I'm a Nazarene. I keep that stuff. I've
[1:33] got all sorts of power tied up in my
[1:35] hair.
[1:37] Yeah, thank you. Thank you.
[1:39] Yeah, nice one, mate. All right. So, you
[1:40] give me a little bit of a trim. Now,
[1:42] while you're doing this, Derek,
[1:44] you mate, are you like me in recovery?
[1:46] >> I am. I went to Victory Outreach Rehab
[1:48] in California.
[1:49] >> And before you were doing that,
[1:51] I mean, I don't like I'm trying to pick
[1:52] my hair up at the wrong time. Before you
[1:54] were doing that, before you were at
[1:55] Victory Outreach in California, what
[1:57] were you doing then?
[1:58] >> Uh smoking crack and uh uh
[2:01] doing ecstasy and coke and anything you
[2:03] could think I would do.
[2:05] >> So but you've not been doing that prior
[2:06] to doing my any of my barbering, right?
[2:09] >> Uh no. No, not today.
[2:10] >> I just want a pretty much a crack-free
[2:13] beard trim.
[2:14] >> I got you. I got you. It's been a while.
[2:16] >> Well, what I will say is you've done
[2:17] that K-pop so hard on my throat, the
[2:19] carotid artery is shutting down.
[2:22] I mean, I feel like I'm going I'm
[2:23] getting woozy already.
[2:25] >> Bring up the kangaroo.
[2:26] >> Could still be because Timothy's in the
[2:28] eyeline.
[2:29] >> I actually watch Timothy all the time.
[2:31] He's great.
[2:32] >> What, he's got a TV show already?
[2:33] >> Oh, he's on everybody's podcast. He
[2:35] always talks about ancient aliens and
[2:36] giants. I'm a huge fan.
[2:37] >> Yeah, he's pretty great, isn't he? I
[2:39] mean, you'll have to watch that episode.
[2:40] There's a link in the description to
[2:41] that if you want to watch that now. So
[2:42] mate, uh what are you doing?
[2:44] What's this What's going on now?
[2:46] >> to I got to put me specs on, huh?
[2:47] >> Get Yeah, get your specs on. And what
[2:49] you just did there, that was a British
[2:50] accent, was it?
[2:52] >> Maybe.
[2:52] >> It was a hate crime is what it was.
[2:54] >> [laughter]
[2:55] >> Right. Now, where's Where's my beloved
[2:56] friend Christie? Because uh like I like
[2:58] cuz then Christie I I always feel
[3:00] comfortable when she's nearby. Now,
[3:02] Christie, will you come by here and like
[3:04] cuz what I like Me and Jacob working on
[3:06] a loose impression of Christie, aren't
[3:08] we?
[3:08] >> Oh, yeah, it's good.
[3:09] >> Please welcome back Christie and
[3:11] Anastasia straight out Bethlehem.
[3:14] She's Palestinian. She's Christian.
[3:16] She's got it all. Here, please. Thanks
[3:18] for Thanks very much for joining us
[3:19] again.
[3:20] >> No, it's my pleasure.
[3:21] >> Now, while I'm getting trimmed up here
[3:23] by a crackhead barber, would you
[3:26] What's going on now?
[3:27] >> Oh, that's the wrong one.
[3:29] >> You're toying with my emotions.
[3:31] Like a cat TOYS WITH A MOUSE. YOU'RE
[3:33] TOYING with me. He's toying with me,
[3:35] isn't he? You remember your microphone,
[3:37] Christie.
[3:38] >> Yes, sir.
[3:38] >> Keep Keep alert. Now, what's this in
[3:40] your back pocket? What's going on? Is
[3:41] that In my country, that's a sign among
[3:42] the gay community.
[3:44] >> Uh it keeps my hands clean.
[3:46] >> Well, it's making mine dirty.
[3:49] Go on. Just give us a trim then.
[3:52] Um
[3:53] Oh, hold on Oh, that's quite nice.
[3:56] You By the way, you've not asked what I
[3:57] want or anything. You're just going with
[3:58] your instincts.
[3:59] Like what you know, that I don't want to
[4:01] I don't want to look next time I look in
[4:02] the mirror to see a swastika shaved in
[4:04] it or something.
[4:05] >> Don't be scared.
[4:06] >> [laughter]
[4:07] >> So, an interesting item that we're doing
[4:09] at Derek. So, like have you got a Have
[4:11] you got a vision for this beard?
[4:13] >> I do. I want to compliment your face
[4:15] shape.
[4:16] >> Oh. Thank you very much. Well, well, how
[4:18] about you compliment my face shape right
[4:20] now?
[4:20] >> Just say I like your face shape.
[4:21] >> I like your face shape.
[4:23] >> [laughter]
[4:24] >> Yeah, go on then. Fire away, darling.
[4:26] >> Yeah, let's do let's do your stash.
[4:29] The sweet little
[4:29] >> Don't do the bit that's near my mouth.
[4:31] >> It's a sweet little stash.
[4:35] Oh, yeah.
[4:37] That looks good.
[4:38] >> The problem is is obviously it does
[4:39] impede my ability to communicate
[4:41] somewhat.
[4:42] >> But, that side's done.
[4:44] >> You've done that one? You're going to go
[4:45] around the
[4:46] Excuse me.
[4:46] >> Derek's also a rapper.
[4:49] >> Bloody hell.
[4:50] >> This video, you saw that video?
[4:51] >> He can't hold a microphone while he's
[4:53] barbering. I'll tell you that. So,
[4:55] whatever it is
[4:55] >> I'm a
[4:57] I do different stuff all the time, so
[4:58] >> Do you?
[4:59] >> I do.
[5:02] Oh, that's nice. It's good sound.
[5:05] >> Ow! That That really hurt, Derek.
[5:08] >> You'll be all right.
[5:09] You'll be all right, love.
[5:12] >> I'd say that was a a labial incision you
[5:14] just
[5:15] >> [laughter]
[5:16] >> It was on purpose.
[5:17] >> It was all right. I kind of enjoyed it.
[5:18] Now, when you like do Are you going to
[5:20] do the sides now? What's coming out now?
[5:22] It's getting a bit Sweeney Todd in here.
[5:24] >> I have to. I have no other choice.
[5:25] >> To get They're all cutthroats coming
[5:28] out.
[5:28] >> Yeah.
[5:28] >> Okay.
[5:29] >> Sure is. Just for you.
[5:30] >> Oh, man. This is it, isn't it? I mean,
[5:32] we're really creating a carnival
[5:34] atmosphere right here.
[5:36] And what's happening there? What's that
[5:37] appendage you've produced?
[5:39] >> You're not allowed to use an original
[5:41] straight razor anymore because it's
[5:43] dirty, because it's dropping the hone.
[5:44] So, nowadays all barbers have to use
[5:46] disposable razors.
[5:47] >> Mike them.
[5:49] >> Or
[5:50] >> that's the way it's nice and clean.
[5:53] Okay.
[5:53] >> I'm not getting anybody else's skin or
[5:55] hair.
[5:56] >> Okay.
[5:57] You can't kind of expect Christie to
[5:58] come over here from Bethlehem and then
[6:01] also Mike Barbara.
[6:03] >> What a shot this is.
[6:05] Oh, thank you very much.
[6:06] >> Actually, we can expect Christie to come
[6:07] here all the way from Bethlehem.
[6:09] >> Straight out of Bethlehem.
[6:10] >> Straight out of Bethlehem, yeah.
[6:12] >> Okay, so I'm going to do your cheekbone.
[6:13] So, no talking. Give me 5 seconds.
[6:15] >> Okay.
[6:16] >> Yeah, you're good in it.
[6:17] >> Do you mind if I sort of lean in to
[6:18] this?
[6:19] >> you're good.
[6:19] >> Oh god.
[6:21] Ow.
[6:22] >> You're all right, mate. I'm not going to
[6:23] hurt you. You're all right. You're all
[6:25] right.
[6:26] >> I'm
[6:27] very glad that this is part of the
[6:28] pre-tapes.
[6:29] >> Okay. Now I
[6:30] >> [laughter]
[6:30] >> Now we're going to do the other side.
[6:31] So, I'm going to have you turn for me.
[6:33] >> This is one of those ideas where Derek,
[6:35] you're not going to be turning me. I
[6:36] tell you that.
[6:38] Many have tried before you.
[6:41] >> [laughter]
[6:43] >> I think that's what you needed, man.
[6:44] >> I'll turn you back.
[6:47] Okay. Now, all I got to do is the
[6:48] bottom.
[6:49] >> Go on then. Fire away, mate. Christie,
[6:52] when you were making your way to the
[6:54] United States of America
[6:56] from Bethlehem, did this form part of
[6:59] any vision that you had for what might
[7:02] take place?
[7:03] >> You're reminding me of my dad shaving
[7:05] his own beard, no. On live TV, no.
[7:09] >> No. No, this is not something that you
[7:11] anticipated. And I'll tell you now that
[7:14] it's not easy to weave this live stream
[7:19] shaving into a conversation about
[7:22] proto-Canaanite theology.
[7:25] >> [laughter]
[7:26] >> How do you think I feel? Very odd.
[7:28] >> Well, I see you seem pretty confident,
[7:29] mate. You're freshening around my
[7:31] throat.
[7:32] >> You'll be all right.
[7:33] >> It looks good. Yeah.
[7:35] >> I think it's quite therapeutic to watch
[7:38] as well.
[7:39] >> I hope so. People do People have been
[7:40] incredibly patient. I mean, I've got
[7:42] quite a lot of the guests still in the
[7:44] audience. If only we had some sound
[7:46] balls.
[7:48] Oh, man. And a kangaroo.
[7:51] I mean, we could have left there Yeah, I
[7:53] mean, there have been episodes where
[7:54] we've had like wallabies patrolling the
[7:56] studios while we've done stuff like
[7:58] this.
[7:59] Um Derek, I'm very No, man. Not product.
[8:02] What's going on?
[8:03] >> This is a softener preview.
[8:05] >> Okay.
[8:05] >> Cuz it feels a little rough.
[8:07] >> Okay, well
[8:07] >> soften it up.
[8:08] >> I don't like that it's called secret
[8:09] sauce. That in itself is sort of a
[8:12] a perturbing name.
[8:14] >> to me. So,
[8:15] the owner told me to sniff the tip and
[8:18] say mazel tov.
[8:19] >> I don't know about that anymore, mate.
[8:20] We're trying to bring peace to the
[8:22] Middle East. You sound like you're
[8:23] making it worse.
[8:25] >> I mean, I could.
[8:26] All right. So, we'll put that in there
[8:28] right in the middle.
[8:30] >> I'm sort of like in a sort of like a
[8:31] mole kind of situation. It's quite
[8:33] layered, huh?
[8:34] >> It's actually really good. It's for
[8:36] hair, skin, and body.
[8:38] But I got to take the top off. I forgot
[8:39] the
[8:39] >> Oh, man. I'm pretty sensitive about
[8:40] that. I don't know if I want that on. I
[8:42] can feel a panic sort of I think I'm
[8:44] taking back authority. I'm taking back
[8:46] personal autonomy and authority. Ladies
[8:48] and gentlemen, please give it up for our
[8:49] Derek Ascher, the rogue barber,
[8:52] skateboarding, punk, rapping. Bob,
[8:55] you've got it. Thank you very much. How
[8:56] am I looking?
[8:58] Thank you, man. Thank you very much.
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[10:11] for details. Good work, Derek. Thank you
[10:12] very much. That was very impressive.
[10:14] Raised my temperature a bit to be in
[10:16] that cave. Christie, will you stay a
[10:17] minute? All right. So, thank you very
[10:19] much, darling. Thank you for doing that.
[10:20] It wasn't easy to do that with the
[10:22] microphone stuff. It was pretty
[10:23] challenging, wasn't it? You've got to
[10:24] keep your microphone there. Last thing I
[10:25] need to deal with is another person
[10:27] who's recalcitrant with mic technique.
[10:29] Good work, Derek.
[10:31] Yeah, you're good. Thank you very much.
[10:32] How Like, I've not seen myself yet. So,
[10:35] you didn't do anything dramatic today.
[10:37] You look all right.
[10:39] Thank you. Thanks, Jake. That's
[10:40] reassuring. That's reassuring. Okay. Um
[10:43] so, Christie, man, it's been like you've
[10:46] been you've stayed in this country for
[10:48] two or three weeks now. We've had you
[10:49] come on every time that we're here. The
[10:51] reason for this is because
[10:53] every time that you're on the show, I
[10:55] feel like I get a little more data on
[10:58] what I'd call uh deep deep theology. So,
[11:02] will you um today, I reckon some of the
[11:04] things that I'd like your insights on is
[11:07] when you have our our um
[11:10] Let's call him, for the sake of
[11:11] argument, an ecclesiastical Indiana
[11:13] Jones marauding around the planet in a
[11:15] safari shirt, uh digging up pyramids,
[11:18] hanging around tombs and stuff, talking
[11:20] about intergalactic alien warfare. And
[11:23] on the show, we've had Michael Peters in
[11:26] his peculiar sort of gnostic way taking
[11:29] us deep into scripture. And Gabe Lyons.
[11:31] We I'd love you to if you can, uh
[11:34] Christie, follow up on some of the ideas
[11:36] that have been there now that have come
[11:38] up over the course of these wild and
[11:40] caroming conversations. What do you
[11:42] think for a start about the um
[11:46] some of the
[11:47] Book of Enoch, Book of Daniel,
[11:50] Revelations references to
[11:53] interdimensional beings and how Timothy
[11:56] there is covering those things as a kind
[11:58] of you know, something that we're going
[11:59] to get empirical evidence of.
[12:01] >> Oh, wow. Um well,
[12:04] I wish I had a lot of time to talk about
[12:05] this, but what Timothy was covering was
[12:08] um I my what I bring to the table is
[12:11] slightly just more insight and color to
[12:13] the picture.
[12:14] Uh most of the substance is actually
[12:17] kind of obviously true, but what I would
[12:20] add onto the picture is that with
[12:23] pictographic form, you start
[12:24] understanding the meaning behind names
[12:26] and names usually given in Abba's
[12:29] kingdom as we understand um as a
[12:32] descriptive of your functionality and
[12:34] your role. And that's why I keep going
[12:37] back to the
[12:38] uh belief system that when
[12:40] Abba kicks someone out of his kingdom,
[12:42] he removes his name simply because
[12:44] there's nothing violent in him.
[12:47] And when he removes his name from
[12:50] someone, his functionality ceases to be
[12:54] of service. So, then they're out.
[12:57] And that's how I believe in why Jesus
[12:58] said, "I saw the one who wasn't to be
[13:01] named come out of uh
[13:04] Abba's kingdom because he was saying he
[13:05] doesn't have a function, in short. So,
[13:08] so go back to the Book of Watchers in
[13:10] the in the Book of Enoch um the first
[13:13] one. Um the sons of God was a reference
[13:16] by men to those beings that were angels.
[13:21] But what we're missing as well is that
[13:23] they were fallen angels. So, 1/3 of Abba
[13:25] had fallen. And I mentioned when I was
[13:27] on the call and on on the podcast a
[13:30] couple of weeks ago, is that there is
[13:32] their belief system that there are three
[13:34] different rankings of angels.
[13:36] Cherub, cherubim, seraphim, and
[13:38] teraphim. Now, the teraphim, the teraph
[13:41] is what we call as watchers.
[13:43] And they are the ones designed to be got
[13:45] our guardian angels. So, each one of us
[13:48] have watchers. Now, when 1/3 of Abba's
[13:50] kingdom had fallen,
[13:53] and a large number of them had fallen of
[13:56] those watchers, and then they were
[13:59] basically dark.
[14:01] Everything that they had was quite
[14:04] That's why they had the capability to be
[14:06] lustful. It was a pride. It was
[14:09] thinking like, so what's the essence of
[14:11] separation from Abba? It's basically
[14:14] being self-centered on your own inner
[14:16] world and and the disconnect within you.
[14:20] So,
[14:21] that's why that and that void That
[14:23] creates a void that you cannot fulfill,
[14:25] no matter what you try to use. So,
[14:28] that's why they basically went for 200
[14:31] of them. As we know, we don't know the
[14:32] numbers. Um
[14:35] hence we're invited by Abba to fulfill
[14:38] that number of the 1/3 of God's kingdom
[14:40] that had that had fallen. So,
[14:43] 200 of them, based on the Book of Enoch,
[14:46] had fallen. And after the fall, we know
[14:49] that those 200 made a pact on Mount
[14:51] Hermon.
[14:52] And then they became human beings. So,
[14:55] they are the only ranking of angels that
[14:57] can become human beings.
[14:59] Um
[15:01] Angels, archangels don't. Like we know
[15:04] Gabriel, Raphael, they all can manifest
[15:08] to some extent in a in a man-like form,
[15:11] but the only angels that could become
[15:14] human beings are or the ranking, as we
[15:16] know, are the watchers, which are the
[15:19] guardian angels, which are the teraphim.
[15:21] >> Yeah, they sound a little bit shifty,
[15:23] these guys. They seem like
[15:26] that they they might glitch into all
[15:27] manner of forms. See this place where
[15:30] you're, you know, generally speaking,
[15:32] living, Bethlehem. Is it one of those
[15:34] kind Is it to this day a thin space, a
[15:37] space where you feel like you encounter
[15:40] mystery and the supernatural?
[15:43] >> Absolutely. I'd say the whole land is
[15:45] and it's something about it that is
[15:47] cyclical. So, certain events that took
[15:50] place because I as I
[15:52] They didn't They didn't have a GPS, so
[15:54] then you when they were the Israelites
[15:56] must have entered by Joshua into from
[15:59] Jordan into crossed the river of Jordan,
[16:03] Jesus would have gone there to be
[16:04] baptized.
[16:05] Elijah would have, you know, ascended to
[16:08] heaven from there. So, all these like
[16:11] geographical places
[16:13] carry a certain flavor, almost like
[16:16] energy and rhythm that when you walk
[16:18] into them,
[16:20] you do get not just your imagination
[16:24] triggered, but also your whole being
[16:26] feels things in that land.
[16:28] I mean, on a superficial level, a lot of
[16:31] people call it the Holy Land.
[16:33] There's not a lot of holiness the way we
[16:35] think as in human beings are making it.
[16:39] We all wherever we go, like we have we
[16:41] bring our kind of wholeness into it. But
[16:44] there's if you if you strip that back
[16:46] and and the people who are living there
[16:48] and look at the spaces and the places
[16:50] and the events that took place there,
[16:53] you would feel
[16:55] a weight that I have never experienced
[16:57] anywhere else. That's quite more
[16:58] grounding. And almost every person who
[17:01] went there that I knew had a
[17:03] transformational
[17:05] experience, whether they were there or
[17:07] after they left.
[17:09] >> Yes. Yes, I understand
[17:12] because in itself this reference to
[17:15] bread, the bread of life, and this place
[17:17] of bread has transformation
[17:20] in it, doesn't it? The crushed seed and
[17:23] the raising and the incorporation of the
[17:25] ethereal or at least into air when bread
[17:28] rises. So, there is yes, a sort of a
[17:30] kind of a secondary accessible tune that
[17:34] you will
[17:35] that you can detect if you're present
[17:37] and you're awake there. Indeed, since we
[17:40] earlier on have a look at this clip
[17:43] were messing around with sound baths.
[17:45] All right, we're not messing around with
[17:46] them. We were immersing them, weren't
[17:47] we, Kenzie?
[17:50] >> [music]
[17:56] [music]
[18:08] [music]
[18:56] [bell]
[18:57] [music]
[19:06] [music]
[19:10] >> From that moment on, I've been in a kind
[19:12] of a different state. It's as if it's
[19:15] kind of brought into our presence a sort
[19:18] of an awareness of the sacred. I find
[19:20] that kind of this continual shifting
[19:22] between levels
[19:24] like exhausting. It's only when I listen
[19:26] to that noise I realize, "Oh my god,
[19:27] that noise, tune, harmony, sacred
[19:30] sound." Like it's only then I realize,
[19:31] "Oh my god, you're I'm exhausted. I'm
[19:33] exhausted. I'm doing this
[19:35] whole thing on fumes. I'm just like I've
[19:39] you know, I arrive here shattered and
[19:41] then like just sort of grab onto
[19:43] something and go like
[19:45] >> [laughter]
[19:45] >> Like and hopefully I can sort of like
[19:47] get 2 hours of content, but there's a
[19:49] point where it kind of runs out. And I
[19:50] think that's sort of what's happened.
[19:52] The reason that we keep talking about
[19:53] the apocalypse is because I think Are
[19:54] you still up there? Yeah, I'm still
[19:56] here, buddy. You get down.
[19:58] Um
[19:58] Like you know, the thing that I think
[20:00] that what we're all experiencing sort of
[20:02] individually and collectively because
[20:05] how could there be separation
[20:06] ultimately? Is that
[20:08] we are reaching what again Terence
[20:10] McKenna called the object at the end of
[20:12] time. It's as if we're being pulled
[20:14] towards something. Now when our man
[20:17] Timothy there
[20:18] a little earlier
[20:20] he said he was talking you know, when we
[20:22] make that transition and I maybe it's
[20:23] Michael. I can't remember. There's been
[20:25] so many so many conversations today. But
[20:27] when we move from chronos to kairos,
[20:30] we're moving into you know, in the Greek
[20:32] at least when and I I would love to know
[20:35] how that's handled in Hebrew or in some
[20:38] proto-Sinaitic language that you might
[20:40] have access to. We're moving into a
[20:42] different quality of time it seems like
[20:44] now. Like things are heightening,
[20:47] hastening, fluctuating.
[20:49] Like it's a hazy, fluxy, different time
[20:53] that we're moving into I sense.
[20:55] >> Uh we did discuss time and the idea of
[20:57] time together. Um and the concept of
[20:59] kairos is actually um after all is about
[21:03] an event.
[21:05] So we we're
[21:07] time as as we know it actually only
[21:09] exists within us. Because if you remove
[21:12] humanity, you'll just have the moon and
[21:14] the stars and we're circling around
[21:17] them.
[21:17] And there's no numbers and
[21:19] no seconds and no minutes counting it.
[21:22] We are the ones our bodies actually have
[21:25] the clocks within us.
[21:26] >> Yes.
[21:26] >> So, when when you talk about the idea in
[21:29] in in Hebraic mindset when it comes to
[21:31] time, actually time isn't as important
[21:35] as the event that defines it. And that's
[21:37] why we call a kairos moment. It's like
[21:40] something happened that defined and
[21:43] brought substance to that moment.
[21:45] Otherwise, that moment is quite a you
[21:48] can do with it anything you want and
[21:50] it's flexible, it's dynamic, it's and
[21:52] it's fleeting as well sometimes. So, it
[21:54] doesn't have the depth, but it's what
[21:56] you do in that moment when when you were
[21:59] born basically is the day that the the
[22:01] the the act of of you being birthed is
[22:05] what defined your birthday.
[22:08] >> Yes.
[22:09] As I mean there's just no question about
[22:11] it, Kristy. I can't quarrel with that.
[22:13] Me being there was absolutely
[22:15] fundamental.
[22:16] >> [laughter]
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[22:34] >> And hey, I was thinking this
[22:37] because of you saying that the temple
[22:39] curtain torn asunder, some of the dead
[22:43] saints rose from their graves this point
[22:46] in the crucifixion. This for me has uh
[22:50] mm
[22:51] this is beyond tectonic shifting as of
[22:54] some subterranean flux occurs. The
[22:56] crucifixion then must be this
[22:59] determining event.
[23:02] >> Absolutely. It was a an end of a
[23:04] covenantal era and a beginning of one.
[23:07] Um so
[23:09] obviously um
[23:12] if we look at precedence
[23:14] when Jesus was experienced the ultimate
[23:17] form of sin, which is in my opinion
[23:19] separation, because he didn't have any
[23:21] sin in him. He went down to what we call
[23:23] this Sheol, which is a temporary place
[23:25] before hell.
[23:27] And he did
[23:29] preach to people who were in the Noaic
[23:32] covenant um well, Noaic time at the
[23:34] time. And um a lot of them believed in
[23:37] him, so he took them
[23:39] out of Sheol and took them out into
[23:41] well, let's say paradise
[23:42] heaven with him.
[23:44] And alongside of that, there was a a
[23:46] moment of the resurrection of some of
[23:48] the souls of the of the people who
[23:51] people recognized that they were
[23:53] known
[23:54] prophets or known, you know, um
[23:58] believers or or of the Hebraic faith at
[24:01] the time. And they were resurrected and
[24:04] walking around Jerusalem's cities. I I
[24:07] mean, I was streets. To this day, I
[24:08] don't understand why, but there was a I
[24:11] think a uh um
[24:13] um a sign to say that we are headed
[24:16] towards a different era after this
[24:19] covenant that we're not going to be able
[24:20] to fathom until we see him return here
[24:24] and see the manifestation of a new
[24:26] creation that we transcend
[24:29] our physical beings and our spirits can
[24:32] walk around freely
[24:34] outside of those bodies, but yet we're
[24:36] not there to to um manifest the
[24:40] completion wholeness of this until we
[24:42] come he comes back and and reconciles us
[24:45] with the new creation he's given us, if
[24:47] that makes any sense.
[24:47] >> It actually does make sense, and I was
[24:49] uh simultaneously understanding that
[24:51] while clocking that my beard feels
[24:53] different. Like I was like, "And also,
[24:55] my beard's transformed. I'm going to
[24:57] serum into dimensional facial hair
[24:59] experience. Now, hey, you know, like
[25:01] maybe did you ever see Carl Sagan
[25:03] talking about flat landers that
[25:06] book that Michael Peters told me about.
[25:08] Before we do that though, I make a
[25:09] podcast every Sunday with my wife.
[25:12] Here's a little bit of it now. You can
[25:14] watch it whenever you want to. Here's
[25:15] what it's like. Look, it's this is this
[25:17] is it.
[25:19] >> [music]
[25:26] >> You said this thing about shame a moment
[25:27] ago.
[25:28] And I was looking for something in I
[25:30] thought it was in
[25:32] Hebrews where he says
[25:34] "scorning the shame of the cross". I was
[25:38] looking at that. I might maybe in the
[25:39] end I might need a I might need a
[25:41] a phone for that possibly.
[25:43] >> would you like me to do?
[25:44] >> If you put into the search engine
[25:47] "scorning the shame" Oh, no, here we go.
[25:48] I found it.
[25:49] >> Oh, brilliant.
[25:50] >> Hebrews 12.
[25:50] >> Take that past.
[25:52] >> [laughter]
[25:53] >> Take that the past.
[25:55] >> Um, Hebrews 12.
[25:57] Let us throw off everything that hinders
[25:59] and the sin that so easily entangles.
[26:02] And let us run with perseverance the
[26:04] race marked out for us. Fixing our eyes
[26:07] on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of
[26:09] our faith for the joy that was set
[26:11] before him. He endured the cross
[26:13] scorning its shame.
[26:15] And sat down at the right hand of the
[26:17] throne of God.
[26:18] Consider him who endured such opposition
[26:20] from sinners so that you will not grow
[26:22] weary and lose heart.
[26:26] >> Nice.
[26:28] >> That.
[26:31] He doesn't give to you as the world
[26:32] gives to you.
[26:33] >> Mhm.
[26:34] >> The world is um
[26:36] sin always on the way in.
[26:39] >> Mhm.
[26:39] >> Is exciting.
[26:41] You at some point were invited in, were
[26:43] you not? Come this way for the money or
[26:45] for the excitement or whatever. And on
[26:48] the how does it feel when you're in
[26:49] there?
[26:50] >> Yeah.
[26:50] >> And is the general trend that it's
[26:52] decaying, deteriorating because this is
[26:54] the dark signature of the enemy, of the
[26:57] fallen one, decay,
[26:59] death. Or did you find out it's just got
[27:01] better and better since I took that
[27:02] Faustian pact? Since I did that deal
[27:04] with the devil, my life's getting better
[27:05] and better and improving. No, once
[27:07] you're in there, you realize it's not
[27:08] real.
[27:09] >> I think of I think of the immediate
[27:11] thing I think of is how much I sometimes
[27:13] so want to eat a McDonald's. And even
[27:17] when we go on those long drives, whether
[27:19] it was to the hospitals or whatever, and
[27:21] we're on those 10-hour drives, and it's
[27:22] like just right towards the end you
[27:24] cave, and you think let's just have a
[27:26] Wendy's or whatever.
[27:27] >> Would you
[27:28] You know when you've done that? Would
[27:29] you
[27:30] >> Yeah, when I'm telling Yeah, like when
[27:31] I'm saying Oh, no, we're not cuz I'm the
[27:33] one suggesting it. We're in the car,
[27:34] we're driving along, and then there just
[27:36] comes a point you go with good healthy
[27:38] snacks, and then just right towards the
[27:40] end good healthy snacks.
[27:42] >> Miserable little bag of seeds.
[27:43] >> I've got
[27:44] the seeds. I've got the seeds. I've got
[27:46] the water. We've got kombucha. We've got
[27:48] seeds. We've got the different type of
[27:50] beef sticks that the kids don't like cuz
[27:52] they've got organs. Cuz they've got
[27:54] organs in them. Awful things.
[27:56] >> [laughter]
[27:57] >> Anyway, delicious, actually delicious
[27:59] and very good for you. But
[28:01] >> Paul Saladino Yeah, those are really
[28:02] great. You advertise Paul Saladino.
[28:04] >> Oh, well, I will. They're great.
[28:08] >> [laughter]
[28:09] >> Mrs. Brown, are you saying from the
[28:10] stand that you enjoyed Paul Saladino's
[28:13] beef stick? I I'm Let me be clear. Do
[28:15] you follow me?
[28:16] So, his beef stick. Do you follow me?
[28:18] >> protein powder
[28:19] >> You like it.
[28:21] For the benefit, Your Honor. For the
[28:22] benefit
[28:23] >> Okay, stop.
[28:23] >> For the benefit
[28:24] >> No, stop cuz this this isn't an advert
[28:26] for Paul Saladino's stuff or
[28:28] >> Reborn.
[28:29] >> Reborn. No, but um the point being, when
[28:32] we get nearly towards the end of a trip
[28:35] and we've done so well, and you're
[28:36] nearly there, and you've maybe done a
[28:37] couple of loose stops, but you haven't
[28:39] You've eaten good food, and you're not
[28:40] going to do it, and you're not going to
[28:41] cuz I'm And then just right at the end I
[28:44] think I have to I cannot hold it any
[28:46] more. I need a double Whopper whatever
[28:48] it's called. You know they're called
[28:50] Dave.
[28:51] >> For your
[28:52] for your attention. Yeah. The Whopper.
[28:55] The Whopper.
[28:56] It's a Burger King product. No further
[28:58] questions.
[28:58] >> No. So, hold on. You can say
[29:00] >> The Whopper isn't Wendy's. No further
[29:02] questions.
[29:02] >> You spend way too much time there this
[29:04] week. Um no, at Wendy's it's called
[29:07] something like the double Dave.
[29:08] >> It's called the double Dave.
[29:10] >> It's called the double Dave. And it's
[29:11] really good. But it doesn't feel good
[29:14] after. I eat However whatever way you
[29:17] look, it's good when you taste it. It's
[29:19] good when you first eat it and then
[29:21] about I don't know, minutes after you
[29:24] finished it and you're greasy and you're
[29:26] trying to find out where to put the
[29:27] trash.
[29:27] >> eating it?
[29:28] >> Well, it's I
[29:29] >> Greasy.
[29:31] Still like a wild animal.
[29:33] I've [laughter] got napkins.
[29:34] >> I I yeah, but you have a particular
[29:36] thing for napkins. You like a lot of
[29:38] napkins and you don't like food on your
[29:40] hands. I however would just eat it in a
[29:42] normal way and then have to wipe my
[29:43] hands afterwards.
[29:44] >> Not normal.
[29:46] >> [laughter]
[29:47] >> Uh anyway, I don't feel good after and
[29:49] it does feel sinful. It feels like I
[29:50] just sort of knew that that wasn't the
[29:51] right thing to do
[29:53] for my body more than anything.
[29:56] I'm not saying and by the way, I don't
[29:57] want to shame even myself for that.
[29:59] There's nothing wrong with you know
[30:02] a secret or not a secret fast food meal.
[30:06] But is that what it's called, a fast
[30:07] food meal? Yeah, a fast food meal.
[30:09] >> Yeah.
[30:10] >> Yeah. Um but the feeling is of just
[30:12] trying so hard and then just caving and
[30:14] it not being not feeling good. And I
[30:16] suppose that's what addiction probably
[30:18] feels like maybe if you you know, if
[30:20] you've got a drink or drug problem, but
[30:22] you you mentioned the the process of
[30:24] addiction earlier on.
[30:25] >> Well, I certainly did. And also the
[30:26] process of sin. Always it seems
[30:29] appealing. And what I'm conflating is
[30:32] sin with worldliness and self
[30:34] simultaneously.
[30:35] >> Oh, that's the point. Sorry. The point
[30:37] is this is my point that I was going to
[30:38] make. You said worldliness. The reason I
[30:41] brought up fast food and the feeling of
[30:43] it being sinful is the only reason I'm
[30:45] thinking of fast food is cuz of the
[30:46] advertising on the side of the road. The
[30:48] worldly nurse of the the
[30:52] the the advertising on the side of the
[30:54] >> You're seriously suggesting that you
[30:56] don't have enough self-determination to
[30:59] resist a Wendy's advert and somehow the
[31:01] Wendy's sign itself is responsible for
[31:04] you wandering into the Wendy's, ordering
[31:07] a double Dave burger without might I
[31:10] even say even the courtesy to pick up
[31:11] some napkins and then be surprised that
[31:14] you're covered in grease. Let me finish.
[31:18] I'm agreeing with you. Follow me. I'm
[31:20] agreeing with you.
[31:21] >> [laughter]
[31:22] >> Russell
[31:23] >> You follow me.
[31:24] >> and actually I'm saying
[31:28] >> [gasps]
[31:29] >> Oh my gosh, you can tell we're tired,
[31:31] can't you?
[31:32] >> I don't think so. I think I'm pretty
[31:33] coming across as a little laugh or what.
[31:36] >> Okay, no, this is my point. I do have
[31:38] actually a lot of um I'm I'm
[31:41] disciplined. I'm in many ways in my life
[31:43] life I'm disciplined.
[31:44] >> Go on. Go
[31:45] >> But it's
[31:46] Oh my gosh, I mean well first of all, I
[31:48] get up in the morning, I look after the
[31:50] children in the way that I look after
[31:52] them. I'm disciplined in making sure
[31:53] everything's sort of clean and tidy. I'm
[31:55] disciplined in trying to cook nearly all
[31:56] our home-cooked meals so that we don't
[31:58] so eat we eat well. So given I'm
[32:01] specifically talking about food that
[32:04] cave of lack of discipline is because
[32:07] it's like oh Wendy's.
[32:09] >> That is a good argument.
[32:10] >> That's it. So there we go.
[32:12] >> Your disciplined that you win. Your
[32:13] disciplined as a wife.
[32:15] >> Yep.
[32:16] >> Like even if you're tested as a wife
[32:18] >> Mhm.
[32:19] >> You've been You've had some
[32:20] >> [laughter]
[32:20] >> few little tests.
[32:21] >> Oh yeah, I've had some tests. I I'm I'm
[32:24] I would say I'm just generally I'm quite
[32:26] disciplined.
[32:27] >> Yeah, fair enough. You win.
[32:28] >> I win. You're pushing an open door.
[32:29] Yeah.
[32:31] >> door.
[32:32] Listen to this [clears throat] from our
[32:33] beloved Paul, Corinthians 7 4:7. But we
[32:37] have this treasure in jars of clay. In
[32:40] fact, I'm going to start line it first
[32:42] earlier cuz it gives you "For God who
[32:44] said, 'Let light shine out of darkness,'
[32:45] made his light shine in our hearts to
[32:47] give us the light of the knowledge of
[32:49] God's glory displayed in the face of
[32:51] Christ."
[32:52] >> Mhm.
[32:52] >> [sighs]
[32:53] >> "But we have this treasure in jars of
[32:55] clay to show that this all surpassing
[32:57] power is from God and not from us.
[33:00] We are hard pressed on every side but
[33:02] not crushed, perplexed but not in
[33:04] despair,
[33:06] persecuted but not abandoned, struck
[33:09] down but not destroyed.
[33:11] We always carry around in our body the
[33:15] death of Jesus, so that the life of
[33:18] Jesus may also be revealed in our body.
[33:21] >> Mhm.
[33:21] >> For we who are alive are always being
[33:23] given over to death for Jesus' sake, so
[33:25] that his life may also be revealed in
[33:27] our mortal body.
[33:29] >> Mhm.
[33:29] >> So then, death is at work in us,
[33:32] but life is at work in you. So then,
[33:36] death is at work in us, but life is at
[33:38] work in you." Ooh, she's giving them a
[33:40] bit of a chastising. They've been a bit
[33:42] too lively. But I love this persecuted
[33:44] but not abandoned. That's so beautiful,
[33:45] isn't it?
[33:45] >> That's lovely. That's really lovely.
[33:47] >> I love I I love him so much. I was
[33:49] realizing Did you have something
[33:50] >> Um only because I was going to say I
[33:52] really enjoyed what we read today, and I
[33:54] don't know if it comes into today's
[33:57] Sunday service, but could maybe you
[33:59] could also say a little bit about this
[34:01] cuz I don't know much about this. I
[34:02] mean, but save that page cuz this is the
[34:04] bit I wanted to read.
[34:05] There we go.
[34:06] >> Thanks, Berry.
[34:07] >> Yeah.
[34:08] >> I think I told you a lot I was out with
[34:10] my mate.
[34:10] >> Yeah, you did tell the story about
[34:12] >> Say I was playing with Jake, Dave,
[34:14] >> Mhm.
[34:15] >> Joe, like a quadrant in a beloved
[34:18] friend's apartment.
[34:19] >> Yeah.
[34:20] >> And our friend Sarah is working with us
[34:22] and doing wonderfully well also.
[34:24] >> But you know, I hang with Joe a lot.
[34:26] Joe's the guy that's the security guard
[34:28] and like you know, the door and
[34:29] everything. I think funny man. Um but
[34:31] like um so
[34:32] >> That was written about.
[34:33] >> Well, that was covered.
[34:34] >> That's covered.
[34:35] >> Me and Joe were out like last week going
[34:37] to church at like well, I want to go to
[34:39] 12 step thing to catch up with people
[34:41] around here. We're in our country now,
[34:43] our own beautiful country.
[34:46] And like, um,
[34:47] so but my mate Joe, he's a 12 step dude,
[34:50] too, but he wants to be live by the
[34:51] river. We live by the river. And look at
[34:52] this beautiful bay window. This is our
[34:54] home. Look at all these beautiful cats
[34:55] sitting
[34:55] >> This cat's molting an awful lot. I'm
[34:57] actually I'm itching like crazy.
[34:59] >> what immediately comes to my mind when I
[35:00] hear people talk about
[35:00] >> Hives. No.
[35:02] >> Dander.
[35:04] >> It's the It's the dander. It's cuz she's
[35:06] elderly. So she's got there's quite
[35:08] >> It's all the dander.
[35:09] >> but I'm just saying it's not I don't I'm
[35:10] not always allergic to cats, but I think
[35:13] she's molting a little bit more and the
[35:14] dander is creating a bit of a
[35:17] allergic reaction. But I it doesn't stop
[35:19] me loving her.
[35:20] >> Nothing can stop you loving her.
[35:22] >> Nothing stops me loving her. I love her
[35:23] so much. But if you see me itching my
[35:25] eye and my nose, I have a little bit of
[35:27] an itch here and it's going all over my
[35:29] clothes as well.
[35:30] >> But what is it on your clothes, Mrs.
[35:32] Brown?
[35:33] >> Oh [laughter] my god.
[35:35] >> [music]
[35:42] >> Michael, do you mind coming back up
[35:43] here, please, uh, and explain Please
[35:45] welcome back to the stage Michael
[35:47] Peters. Michael Peters is an author and
[35:50] teacher. He's lectured at Harvard. He's
[35:51] done a thousand things. Michael, stay
[35:53] here though, Christie, cuz I want cuz I
[35:54] need your opinion. So keep hold of that,
[35:56] if you don't mind, my darling. And, uh,
[35:58] Michael, come and sit here in my seat
[36:00] and I'll
[36:00] >> Sit right in the middle where
[36:02] nature intended. Um, thank you very
[36:04] much. Michael, the reason I wanted to
[36:06] get you back for this All right, isn't
[36:08] it like I just want you like the people
[36:10] that have been in the audience for the
[36:11] entire show to just remember that the
[36:14] moment right I want you to do this in
[36:15] quick succession. The moment where I was
[36:17] talking to Nicholas outside, I want you
[36:18] to have that image. Then the bit where
[36:20] there was a beard being trimmed. Then
[36:22] the crystal ball. Like like there's been
[36:23] a lot of crazy It's been weird, isn't
[36:25] it? It's And and last week it might have
[36:28] been a bit weird. There was a wallaby
[36:29] loose at one bit last week. There was
[36:30] now been no wallaby on the floor. Look,
[36:33] there's an image of it. See, it's real.
[36:35] It happened. Michael, why is it that you
[36:37] think that that book
[36:38] See what See Christie, she's on one,
[36:40] isn't she? So, like we will talk to her
[36:42] about that Flatlands thing, please, a
[36:44] little bit. Explain to her what that
[36:45] book is, and what what Christie just
[36:47] said there about this inconceivable
[36:49] interdimensional sense of being that's
[36:51] transcendent in the same way that three
[36:52] dimensions is impossible to comprehend
[36:54] for a two-dimensional entity. Can you
[36:57] explain it to her? Oh, no, don't explain
[36:59] it to her. She already understands it,
[37:00] but like connect it.
[37:01] >> Should I repeat what you just said three
[37:03] three times [laughter] really fast?
[37:05] >> Basically.
[37:07] >> Yeah.
[37:08] All right. So, a way to describe this
[37:12] idea of being born a second time that
[37:16] the to share DNA with God as opposed to
[37:18] just the mammal thing. To be born a
[37:20] second time, you must be born a second
[37:22] time, Jesus said.
[37:25] To understand that is a little bit
[37:26] difficult for us, but the book Flatlands
[37:29] is basically a mathematical modeling
[37:31] book. If if you're two-dimensional,
[37:34] Flatlands, if you're a plane, say a
[37:36] piece of paper,
[37:38] and a sphere passes through to visit
[37:41] you. What what's it look like if you
[37:43] live on this plane, this two-dimensional
[37:46] space? Well, it looks like a dot that
[37:48] turns into a circle that turns into a
[37:50] bigger circle that turns into a smaller
[37:52] circle that turns into a dot, and then
[37:53] it disappears. So, how do you describe
[37:56] that if you live in a mammal world,
[37:59] if you're blind, how do you describe a
[38:00] rainbow? If you live in a mammal world
[38:03] that has not been born a second time,
[38:05] how do you understand the kingdom of God
[38:07] on Earth as it is is in heaven? You can
[38:09] see the good deeds, you can see the
[38:11] kindness and graciousness and wisdom of
[38:13] our God personified in Jesus Christ, but
[38:17] how do you grasp eternity life that
[38:19] always was and always will be without
[38:21] sounding like a Gnostic.
[38:23] >> Yeah.
[38:23] >> Right? So, the nature of it is you I
[38:27] will have this man be king over me. I
[38:29] will have the faith of Abraham. I will
[38:31] give my life to a God that asked me to
[38:33] break the idols and sacrifice Isaac if
[38:36] necessary. Not because he's masochistic
[38:38] or mean, because he wants us to trust
[38:40] him more than we trust ourselves.
[38:42] >> Mhm.
[38:42] >> The tree of knowledge is I want to be a
[38:44] God knowing good and evil. The tree of
[38:46] life is I trust the maker of the heavens
[38:48] and the earth more than I trust myself.
[38:50] I don't want to be a God. So, now I
[38:52] don't see this fear passing through as a
[38:56] dot, a circle, and then a smaller dot
[38:58] and then it disappears when I have the
[39:00] antenna, when I have the ability to
[39:02] grasp the concept of who God is because
[39:05] he shared his DNA with me. When that
[39:08] happens in the second birth, I'm now
[39:10] able to see, experience, and discuss
[39:12] some things that I wouldn't be able to
[39:15] otherwise. And I can lay down my life
[39:16] for others in a way I don't have to obey
[39:19] the command to love your enemies.
[39:22] No, because it's now in my DNA to love
[39:24] my enemies. It's not a command anymore.
[39:26] It's not a list of rules anymore. It's
[39:28] not a lifestyle. And so, now you you
[39:30] look to the the world religions and say,
[39:34] "There are people that want to share in
[39:36] the faith of Abraham. They want that.
[39:38] They know there's a God out there that
[39:40] made them, that formed them, and they
[39:42] want to trust that God." So, now we go
[39:44] backwards and forwards all throughout
[39:46] eternity. That's not Gnosticism. That's
[39:48] the story of who Jesus said he was.
[39:51] "Before Abraham, I was." Right? "I am
[39:54] the bread of life. I am the door." Who
[39:55] else said those things? And who else did
[39:57] what he did? Nobody else. So, he was
[39:59] what everybody was always waiting for.
[40:02] All of eternity, all of creation, the
[40:05] stones along the road bursting into
[40:06] praise. "I can make biological sons of
[40:09] Abraham out of a rock. But I want you to
[40:11] have the faith of Abraham. And if you'll
[40:13] deny your very self and come after me,
[40:16] take up your cross, then you can be born
[40:19] a second time and share DNA from heaven.
[40:22] That's exactly why Jesus was born of a
[40:24] virgin.
[40:25] That is why he was born of a virgin, so
[40:27] that he could demonstrate what it looks
[40:29] like to live in the full measure of the
[40:31] stature of one who shares heaven life
[40:34] with earth life.
[40:36] And we can share that life, explore that
[40:38] life, and share that life. And then when
[40:40] he left and was and risen from the dead,
[40:44] he then could scale and pour out that
[40:46] life amongst all of us.
[40:48] Right? So that that's why religion, to
[40:50] attend something, to believe something
[40:52] is a little lame. And I I'm not being
[40:54] insulting, I'm just saying it's lame
[40:56] compared to what he promised us. Rivers
[40:58] of alive water gushing from the inner
[41:00] man
[41:02] to all who believe. Really? I asked an
[41:04] 86-year-old man this, his name was Norm,
[41:07] um at a ice cream place called Bruster's
[41:09] in Knoxville about 2 weeks ago. He just
[41:11] walked up, oh we were talking about
[41:12] things like this at a table, and he
[41:15] said, "Uh man, I want in on this
[41:16] conversation." So, you know, as we
[41:18] talked about it, we talked about what
[41:21] all the things Jesus said to all who
[41:22] believe, rivers of alive water gushing
[41:25] from the abdomen.
[41:26] Well, you know, there's 50 of those that
[41:28] are something like that that Jesus
[41:30] promised. And I said, "You've been
[41:32] around 86 years, you're as fervent as
[41:34] anybody I've ever met in my life." This
[41:36] guy was cool.
[41:37] Very cool. I hope I'm like that if I
[41:39] make it to anywhere near that age. And I
[41:42] said, "Do you know anybody in all these
[41:44] years of being a passionate follower of
[41:46] Jesus that you would describe as an
[41:48] outside observer or they would even be
[41:50] capable of of describing themselves as
[41:53] rivers of living water, the dynamo, the
[41:56] torrents of alive water that can light a
[41:58] city?"
[41:59] You know, do you know anybody like that?
[42:01] He said, "I really don't." I said, "Do
[42:04] you know how sad that is? Because that's
[42:06] his promise for all who believe. That's
[42:10] not a superstar, that's heaven DNA come
[42:13] to earth. and as we squash the mammal
[42:15] life and and allow the the release of
[42:19] the spirit as Watchman Nee would say, as
[42:20] we open up our heart, break the
[42:22] alabaster jar of repentance of the
[42:24] brokenness of only God. Look what God
[42:27] has done. That kind of gratitude in life
[42:30] opens up the portals of heaven that we
[42:32] can experience in the sons of man of God
[42:35] can be manifest. We can live that kind
[42:38] of life with ever increasing glory as we
[42:40] behold him by the Lord who is a spirit.
[42:43] It's it's passive by the Lord who is the
[42:45] spirit, but our job is to behold him and
[42:48] trust him as we walk through the pieces
[42:49] the job as David said as as God said
[42:52] Abraham is to trust, not to do per se.
[42:56] That'll take care of itself if you
[42:57] release God to be who God wants to be
[43:00] inside of us. So, the second Adam
[43:02] brought a whole new race.
[43:04] He didn't instruct us as to the proper
[43:06] doctrine compared to the Hindus and the
[43:09] Muslims and the well, you know, that's a
[43:11] different story, but compared to the
[43:13] other world religions or even atheism. I
[43:15] knew lots of atheists at Harvard. But
[43:18] not a one of them ever said, "Wow, you
[43:21] know, if if if you met Jesus, who would
[43:23] you be? Who would you walk with? Would
[43:25] you be an atheist?" And they all said,
[43:27] "I would follow that man. I I'm
[43:28] attracted to him and with little I know
[43:30] him, I'm attracted."
[43:32] >> Thank you so much, Michael. I mean, I
[43:33] just think this is one extraordinary
[43:35] afternoon in the South Jazz Club that
[43:38] we're having here in South Florida.
[43:40] Chris D, thank you so much for joining
[43:42] us. Michael, thank you very much for
[43:43] joining us. Jake, thank you for your
[43:45] amazing work. And you, thank you for
[43:47] incredible patience and
[43:49] for your complicity today. We will be
[43:51] back next time not with more of the
[43:53] same, but more of the different. Until
[43:54] then, if you can, stay free.
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