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Equanimity Through the Body: Why Calm Starts Below the Neck

Philip Shepherd
Philip Shepherd
Nov 11, 2026
9 min de lecture

Source : Philip Shepherd and The Embodied Present Process

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Equanimity, in the framework embodiment teacher Philip Shepherd laid out for a 21-day interview series on staying steady through uncertainty, is not a mental trick for remaining unbothered. It is a condition that grows out of the body's own intelligence, which Shepherd describes as far older and more attuned to wholeness than the thinking brain. In a conversation with host Susan Hagar, he argues that our culture has trained us to distrust that intelligence, to dull ourselves to what he calls the "noise of the body below the neck," and then to rely on the head's cleverness to keep us safe. The result, in his telling, is a people who try to think their way to calm and keep getting thrown off course. What follows draws on that conversation to explain the ideas underneath it.

The interview opens with a greeting from the Andes of Peru. Hagar introduces Shepherd as co-director of The Embodied Present Process, author of New Self, New World and Radical Wholeness, and co-author of Deep Fitness. Before any talk of calm, Shepherd says he is writing another book, one he admits he loves because he cannot bear writing something he already knows. That small confession sets the tone. For Shepherd, the body is not a retreat from the work of thinking. It is the place where the questions come from.

Lecture · 6 sections

What does equanimity actually mean?

Asked what the word means to him, Shepherd doesn't reach for a dictionary. He moves through a chain of associations: equanimity means balance, balance means wholeness, and wholeness means embodied presence. Equanimity, then, is the capacity "to meet what comes your way without being thrown off balance, without being thrown off course." He is specific about the foundation this requires. It is "a groundedness in the body," a sense of being at rest within yourself, within the body, on the earth, and in the present.

The most useful phrase in that answer is his description of the goal. Rather than fortifying yourself against the world, he says, the aim is "a porosity of being that enables it to pass through you without getting caught, without getting stuck." Most of us imagine calm as a wall. Shepherd describes something closer to a membrane. The difference matters, because a wall eventually cracks under load, while a porous system lets pressure move through it. That is a useful way to hear the phrase "keeping an even keel." An even keel is not rigidity. It is a body that can take the swell and let it pass.

Why does living in the head make steadiness so hard?

Shepherd's central claim is that we have two intelligences and have been taught to privilege the wrong one. He locates the body's intelligence in the pelvic bowl, and he draws on an Anangu tradition from Australia that recognizes three intelligences: the head, the heart, and the belly. The Anangu, as he tells it, warn that the head's intelligence is "like a tangled fishing net." It is intricate and complex, and its genius is analysis, which means taking things apart. "That's its strength, our analytical faculty," he says. "And it doesn't recognize wholeness."

The distinction he cares most about is between cleverness and intelligence. Cleverness is the head's fast, sorting capacity. Intelligence, in his sense, is the older attunement that holds the whole. This is the core of his argument: the body is not a secondary instrument to be consulted after the thinking is done. It is the more ancient and more reliable guide.

"Intelligence, embodied intelligence is more than three billion years older than the intelligence of the brain. So the brain came along to supplement our body's intelligence. And what's happened in our culture is it has supplanted it and taken charge."

(Philip Shepherd, Equanimity interview with Susan Hagar, about 4:30)

How did the head take charge? Shepherd's answer is that it does so by desensitizing us. He describes a supervising intelligence that believes its knowledge is complete and that it is the rightful ruler of the self. We are not simply born into this arrangement; we are schooled into it. He points to classrooms where bodies are held in stasis, where suppressing energy is rewarded or punished, and where filling the head with the right answers earns approval. After twelve years of that, he says, we "emerge believing that we can think more clearly with this fragment of our intelligence than we can with the whole of our being."

Anyone who has tried to think their way out of a panic attack will recognize the problem. The head, running its anxious loops, is trying to fix an uncertain future with the same faculty that produced the uncertainty. Shepherd's point is that the faculty most capable of steadiness is the one we have been trained to ignore.

What does it mean to come home to the body?

Shepherd repeatedly uses the phrase "coming home to the body," and he is careful to say what it does not mean. It is not simply a turn inward. It is, in his words, "to come home to what the body most deeply understands and recognizes," and the first thing the body understands is that it belongs. His illustration is simple: stand before a tree and really feel its presence. There is a connection and a mutual recognition. When we retreat into the head, by contrast, we feel set apart and alienated, and the world goes flat, "denatured," surrounded by objects rather than by life.

This is where the conversation turns from personal regulation to something wider. Shepherd says that to come home to the body is also to come home to the world that holds you and to the relationships felt in every moving moment. He describes a kinship that the body perceives directly. Consider a chair made of wood, he suggests, which holds in its grain carbon that your ancestors once breathed out. The point is not poetic decoration. It is a claim that shared existence is literal, and that we lose our sense of companionship in the world when the head takes over and begins to fix, guard, and ward off threat.

"The head is so busy trying to fix things, trying to get it right, trying to ward off threat and disaster, and it goes round and round and round without ever truly feeling the present."

(Philip Shepherd, Equanimity interview with Susan Hagar, about 9:40)

Shepherd then connects this to equanimity directly. If we are not at home in the world, he asks, how could anything come our way without feeling like an assault? Being at home is what makes equanimity possible. Calm, in this model, is less a skill we apply to a hostile environment than a relationship we re-establish with an environment we already belong to.

Why is harmony different from order?

One of the sharpest moments in the conversation is Shepherd's distinction between harmony and order. The head, he says, does not understand harmony. What it substitutes instead is order, and it wants to impose that order on everything. But the two are opposites. "Harmony is a disordered state," he says, in the sense that it is "a dynamic organic whole in which every part of that whole responds without resistance to every other part."

His image for this is a murmuration of starlings: thousands of birds moving like a single organism across the sky, dilating and rippling, with no one in charge. Each bird is attuned to its neighbors and contributes to a shape no individual designed. For a musician, the analogy lands quickly. A good ensemble doesn't work because a conductor has imposed a rigid grid on every player. It works because each player is listening, responding, and giving way in real time. Shepherd's claim is that the body is the instrument that hears this kind of whole, and that the head, with its preference for control, keeps trying to replace listening with a score.

That reframes what it means to stay steady during upheaval. The goal is not to make the world orderly so you can feel secure. It is to become a participant in a harmony that is already moving, which requires letting go of the grip that order promises.

How do you start coming back to the body?

Hagar asks Shepherd directly what he would offer the audience, and he begins by pointing toward the earth, saying the aim is to truly come to rest on it. The full practice, along with the later exchanges about where in the body we are "not" present and how certainty can arise from direct experience rather than from ideas, is in the video itself, and it is worth hearing in his own voice rather than paraphrased here. What the conversation makes clear is that the practice is not an extra layer added to daily life. It is a return to the part of you that was never lost, only overridden.

If there is a single takeaway, it is this: equanimity is not something you think yourself into. It is a way of sensing yourself as part of the world you are trying to stay calm within. Shepherd's insistence that the body is older, wiser, and more connected than the head is a challenge to a culture that treats feeling as noise. Whether or not you accept every part of his framework, the question he poses is a useful one to carry into uncertain times: where, in your body, do you actually feel that you belong?

Where to go from here

Watch the full interview with Philip Shepherd and Susan Hagar, which is part of a 21-day series on equanimity, and listen for the moments where he moves from concept to practice. Then read his books for the depth behind the conversation: New Self, New World (2010) and Radical Wholeness (2017), both named in the interview's introduction. Notice, over the next few days, the moments when your thinking races ahead of your body. Those are the points where Shepherd's argument becomes personal, and where a return to the pelvic bowl, the feet, or the earth beneath you can begin to restore the even keel he describes.

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[0:01] [music]

[0:08] >> Hello, hello everyone. My name is Susan.

[0:12] And this equanimity series is coming to

[0:14] you from the glory of the Andes of Peru.

[0:18] 21 keys to embody peace amidst chaos and

[0:21] thrive through uncertainty.

[0:24] Joining us today is Philip Shepherd, who

[0:27] is an embodiment facilitator.

[0:30] Philip is recognized as a leader in the

[0:32] global embodiment movement. He is the

[0:35] co-director of the embodied present

[0:38] process, which offers courses and

[0:41] coaching online

[0:42] as well as in-person workshops,

[0:44] retreats, and facilitator trainings

[0:46] worldwide.

[0:48] Philip is the author of Radical

[0:50] Wholeness and New Self, New World

[0:54] and co-author of Deep Fitness. Welcome,

[0:58] Philip.

[0:59] >> Such a pleasure to be here with you,

[1:01] Susan. Thank you.

[1:02] >> Thank you very much, Philip. And before

[1:06] we move into the topic of equanimity,

[1:08] please tell me about the work you're

[1:10] doing these days and what inspires you

[1:12] the most.

[1:13] >> The work I'm doing I'm I'm I'm writing

[1:16] another book, God help me, which I am

[1:19] just just in love with. I

[1:22] I I can't bear

[1:25] writing something I already know. I

[1:29] I you know want to stand on the edge of

[1:30] the cliff and and sort of step into the

[1:34] unknown and find my way and and what

[1:36] drives me there are questions that I

[1:40] feel sort of deep within the fabric of

[1:42] my being.

[1:44] So there's that and then I'm preparing.

[1:46] I've got workshops coming up in the fall

[1:48] that I'm looking forward to and

[1:50] a facilitator's training in November,

[1:52] which which is uh

[1:55] such a rich experience for me.

[1:58] >> Wow, sweet. Sounds like life.

[2:02] >> Uh yeah, it's pretty full. I wouldn't

[2:04] have it any other way.

[2:06] >> Wonderful. Phillip, can you tell us when

[2:09] you hear the word equanimity, what does

[2:11] it mean to you?

[2:14] >> means a lot of things. It you know, it

[2:15] means

[2:17] balance.

[2:19] Balance to me means wholeness. Wholeness

[2:22] to me

[2:23] means um embodied presence.

[2:27] So so equanimity is able to meet uh what

[2:32] comes your way without being thrown off

[2:35] balance, without being thrown off

[2:37] course.

[2:38] And that

[2:40] you know, in my experience that requires

[2:43] a groundedness in the body, this sense

[2:46] of being

[2:48] at rest within yourself, at rest within

[2:50] the body,

[2:52] at rest on the earth, at rest in the

[2:54] present.

[2:56] And and you know, rather than being

[2:59] fortified against the world,

[3:03] having a porosity of being that enables

[3:07] it to pass through you without getting

[3:09] caught, without getting stuck.

[3:14] >> Thank you. And

[3:17] I think a lot of your work explores

[3:20] how our culture's taught us to live

[3:22] primarily in our heads.

[3:25] So how does that disconnect from the

[3:27] body

[3:28] affect our ability to meet uncertainty

[3:31] with equanimity?

[3:33] >> I there are there are different ways of

[3:35] looking at it.

[3:37] You know, there are right hemispheric,

[3:38] left hemispheric differences. We we

[3:40] don't have one brain, we have two

[3:42] brains. And another way of understanding

[3:44] those two brains

[3:46] in in a more traditional sense is

[3:47] there's the intelligence in the head and

[3:49] the intelligence in the body

[3:52] uh which I feel

[3:53] grounded in the pelvic bowl. And it's

[3:56] interesting, there's an Anangu culture

[3:58] in Australia that recognizes three

[4:01] intelligences, the the head, the heart,

[4:04] and the and the belly.

[4:06] And they warn that the intelligence of

[4:08] the head is like a tangled fishing net.

[4:12] It is intricate, it is complex. If you

[4:14] know, it it it it wants to pull things

[4:17] to pieces. That's its strength, our

[4:19] analytical faculty. And it doesn't

[4:22] recognize wholeness. And then there is

[4:24] this other intelligence in the body that

[4:27] attunes to wholeness.

[4:29] And and you know, what our culture has

[4:32] done

[4:34] is it's taken us out

[4:37] of our most ancient, reliable

[4:40] intelligence, which is that of the body,

[4:43] and put all our faith in our cleverness.

[4:47] And I see a real difference between

[4:49] cleverness and intelligence.

[4:51] Intelligence,

[4:53] embodied intelligence

[4:56] is more than three

[4:58] billion years

[5:00] older than the intelligence of the

[5:02] brain. So the brain came along to

[5:05] supplement

[5:06] our body's intelligence. And what's

[5:08] happened in our culture is it has

[5:10] supplanted it and taken charge. And it

[5:12] takes charge

[5:14] by

[5:15] desensitizing us to the body. So

[5:19] you know, we all live in wholeness.

[5:20] There's no escaping wholeness, but but

[5:23] you can desensitize yourself to it. So

[5:25] this supervising intelligence in the

[5:29] head

[5:30] believes it is its knowledge is complete

[5:34] and it is the rightful ruler of the

[5:36] self.

[5:37] And and you know, we're we're

[5:40] systematically taught

[5:42] in our culture to dull ourselves to what

[5:45] we are we we we learn is the noise of

[5:50] the body below the neck. And that noise

[5:54] is our most

[5:56] subtle attunement to the world around

[5:59] us.

[6:00] So you know, that the cultural

[6:03] imperative to live in the head

[6:06] is really demonstrated by the public

[6:09] school system, where you got to put your

[6:12] body sort of into stasis. And if you're

[6:16] suppressing the body's energy, you're

[6:18] suppressing the body's intelligence, and

[6:20] you're you're punished if you don't. And

[6:23] meanwhile, if you can fill your head

[6:25] with the right information, the right

[6:26] answers, you're rewarded. So we go

[6:29] through 12 years as as as children

[6:33] of this reward and punishment system,

[6:37] the result of which is that we emerge

[6:39] believing

[6:41] that we can think more clearly with this

[6:43] fragment of our intelligence than we can

[6:46] with the whole of our being.

[6:49] >> Wow.

[6:50] Really.

[6:51] There's so much we could be

[6:54] benefiting from in school, and this

[6:58] piece isn't well addressed at all, just

[7:01] by nature of the setup of of how that

[7:03] system works.

[7:05] So then, Philip, when you say coming

[7:07] home to the body, which you often do,

[7:10] can you tell us what does that actually

[7:12] mean? What changes when we begin to live

[7:16] from that deeper embodied awareness?

[7:20] >> I

[7:21] To come home to the body is to come home

[7:24] to what the body most deeply understands

[7:26] and recognizes.

[7:28] And and

[7:30] the body

[7:32] knows that it belongs. What I mean by

[7:35] that is if you if you stand before a

[7:38] tree

[7:40] and really feel its presence,

[7:43] there is a belonging. There is a

[7:45] connection. There is a mutual

[7:46] recognition

[7:48] between you. And

[7:50] you know, to retreat into the head is to

[7:53] is to feel

[7:55] set apart from the world and alienated

[7:57] from it.

[7:58] And the body recognizes life, the life

[8:02] of the tree, of a blade of grass, of of

[8:05] of of the world around. And when you

[8:08] live in the head

[8:10] it

[8:12] denatures the world

[8:15] and we find ourselves surrounded by

[8:17] things

[8:19] than this

[8:20] of life within which we're actually

[8:22] immersed. And so to come home to the

[8:24] body

[8:26] isn't just to come home to oneself

[8:30] it's to come home to the world that

[8:33] holds you

[8:35] and to come home to all the intricate

[8:37] relationships

[8:39] that are felt through every moving

[8:42] moment.

[8:44] And to be at home in the world

[8:48] is to is to find equanimity.

[8:51] And if you're if you're not at home in

[8:53] the world how how how could it come your

[8:55] way?

[8:58] >> Right.

[9:01] Yeah, that sense of wholeness, being at

[9:03] home

[9:05] I don't know how familiar that is these

[9:07] days, but I imagine if we had more of

[9:10] that

[9:11] we'd have more equanimity.

[9:14] And

[9:15] um

[9:15] >> And the just the the body recognizes

[9:18] kinship.

[9:20] You you

[9:22] you sit on a chair made of wood and and

[9:26] that wood would have in its grain carbon

[9:30] that was breathed out by your ancestors.

[9:33] There there is there is there is shared

[9:35] existence, there is kinship

[9:38] in everywhere. There there's

[9:39] companionship

[9:41] in everything around us and we lose that

[9:43] companionship when we move up into the

[9:46] head and the head is so busy

[9:49] trying to fix things, trying to get it

[9:51] right, trying to ward off uh threat and

[9:54] disaster and and it goes round and round

[9:56] and round without ever truly feeling the

[10:00] present.

[10:01] And to drop down into the body is to

[10:04] come back

[10:06] to

[10:07] that deeper harmony

[10:10] that carries the world forward.

[10:12] >> Mhm.

[10:13] >> And you know, it's it's harmony is a

[10:16] property of wholeness.

[10:19] The head doesn't doesn't feel, doesn't

[10:21] understand harmony, what it substitutes

[10:25] instead is order and it wants to put

[10:28] impose order on everything. And order

[10:31] and harmony are opposites.

[10:35] You know, harmony is a disordered state.

[10:38] We don't think of it that way, but it is

[10:40] a is it is a dynamic

[10:42] organic whole in which every part of

[10:44] that whole responds without resistance

[10:47] to every other part. My

[10:49] my favorite image for harmony is a

[10:51] murmuration of starlings. Those those,

[10:55] you know,

[10:57] thousands of birds moving like an amoeba

[10:59] in the sky and dilating and rippling and

[11:02] no one's in charge of that. It is it is

[11:05] this

[11:06] extraordinary

[11:08] attunement that that each starling

[11:11] participates in and contributes to.

[11:16] >> Yeah, harmony.

[11:19] It seems that again

[11:22] people aren't, you know, experiencing a

[11:24] lot of that. There's

[11:26] fear and conflict, a lot [snorts] of

[11:28] uncertainty these days. And the mind or

[11:31] the brain, whatever, has this instinct,

[11:34] it seems, to think harder and try to

[11:36] regain control. That will make things

[11:39] right.

[11:41] What do you think the body might be

[11:43] inviting us to do instead of thinking

[11:45] harder?

[11:47] >> So, you know, what what people fall into

[11:50] is a state of dysregulation.

[11:54] And then

[11:55] the head says, I need to take control

[11:58] and it starts organizing and supervising

[12:00] and and trying to

[12:02] regulate. And

[12:05] if you are trying to regulate yourself

[12:07] from the head, you're in a divided

[12:09] state.

[12:11] And a divided state is a dysregulated

[12:13] state.

[12:15] So,

[12:16] to come back to the body

[12:19] is to discover you can't you can't

[12:21] regulate yourself.

[12:24] What you can do is surrender to the body

[12:28] and as you become more and more

[12:32] present,

[12:34] you are regulated by the present.

[12:38] And it's such a different quality to

[12:40] feel yourself held and guided and

[12:44] informed

[12:45] by the life of the present

[12:47] as opposed to feeling alone in the world

[12:50] and and needing to take charge of what

[12:53] is happening.

[12:55] >> Mm.

[12:57] It makes so much sense, Phillip. And

[13:00] you've spoken now about the pelvic bowl

[13:03] and this the body's deeper intelligence.

[13:06] So, how does accessing that deeper

[13:08] center

[13:10] change the way we experience stressful

[13:13] or challenging situations?

[13:16] >> I feel

[13:18] the pelvic floor

[13:21] as the ground of my being.

[13:24] So,

[13:25] you can't land in the body until you

[13:28] have a place to land.

[13:30] And for me, that's the pelvic floor.

[13:33] And when I come to rest in myself, it's

[13:36] onto the pelvic floor

[13:38] that I rest. When I want to access my

[13:42] deepest truth, it's to the pelvic floor

[13:44] I return. And and

[13:47] the

[13:48] there's this

[13:50] again, head versus body, safety versus

[13:54] security. So, the the head is always

[13:58] trying to find safety

[14:01] uh partly as a result of feeling so

[14:03] alone in the world. When you

[14:06] retract from the body into the head,

[14:09] you are stepping off of the bridge

[14:13] that connects you to the world. It's

[14:14] through the body that we feel the world

[14:16] around us.

[14:18] And and then in that in that state of

[14:21] loneliness, safety becomes paramount.

[14:23] And there's a You know, yes, look both

[14:25] ways before you step off the sidewalk

[14:28] onto the street, but there's a point at

[14:30] which safety becomes anti-life.

[14:35] You know, you you

[14:37] you look at life

[14:39] and ultimately you've got to conclude

[14:42] that life isn't safe. Being alive isn't

[14:45] safe. You're You're You're going to get

[14:47] hurt. You're going to feel loss and

[14:49] grief. You're going to suffer disease or

[14:51] illness. Life Being alive isn't safe.

[14:54] And

[14:55] safety

[14:57] relies on contingencies.

[15:00] A solid lock on your door or money in

[15:02] your bank account or you know, whatever

[15:03] it might be that you put in place

[15:05] contingencies to keep you safe. And the

[15:08] more contingencies you put in place, the

[15:11] more you are

[15:13] hemming yourself in.

[15:15] You are making your life smaller.

[15:18] And what we miss

[15:22] is security. And

[15:24] there's one security that that's not

[15:27] dependent on contingencies.

[15:29] And that's the security of your being.

[15:32] And that's what I find when I drop onto

[15:35] the pelvic floor,

[15:36] into the pelvic bowl. I come home to

[15:39] this security that no circumstance, no

[15:42] person can take away from me.

[15:44] This knowledge that I am

[15:47] held by the present.

[15:49] And so that, you know, that that journey

[15:53] out of the head

[15:54] you're you're leaving

[15:57] a faculty that works by excluding.

[16:01] It strawberry doesn't belong in the

[16:03] category of vegetable. You You pull

[16:05] things to pieces. You're It It excludes

[16:08] the lever from the spring. It sees the

[16:09] parts. And you move into a resource that

[16:14] that operates inclusively.

[16:17] So

[16:18] from the pelvic bowl to feel the world

[16:22] from there

[16:23] is to attune to its wholeness.

[16:26] And when you feel the world in its

[16:28] wholeness,

[16:31] the way I experienced it is you feel the

[16:33] world holding you in your wholeness.

[16:42] >> That's the sweet spot.

[16:44] >> Yeah.

[16:46] And consciousness, you know, our word

[16:48] consciousness, we're all about raising

[16:50] your consciousness and

[16:51] but but you you look into the word

[16:53] consciousness and you go back to the

[16:55] etymology of it.

[16:57] And the word consciousness

[16:59] comes from a Latin root that a verb that

[17:03] means to be mutually aware.

[17:06] So, we think of consciousness as this

[17:09] uh personal computer in the head. No,

[17:12] consciousness is relationship.

[17:15] And it's through the body that we come

[17:16] into felt relationship.

[17:18] The head doesn't doesn't understand felt

[17:21] relationship. It it just knows things

[17:23] and it names things and and and so the

[17:27] the consciousness you bring to your life

[17:29] from the head

[17:31] will be a consciousness that that tends

[17:33] to be two-dimensional

[17:34] as opposed to this

[17:36] mutual awareness that you feel with the

[17:38] world as you rest in the pelvic bowl.

[17:44] >> I'm so glad you said that because I

[17:46] think um it would be very common to have

[17:51] equanimity as something that's created

[17:53] through the mind

[17:55] instead of something that's experienced

[17:58] and cultivated through the body.

[18:01] >> I

[18:02] here's here's the paradox is

[18:05] is that supervising intelligence of the

[18:07] head

[18:09] is intent on organizing everything. It

[18:11] wants it wants to find order and and

[18:14] keep order.

[18:15] And it turns that same desire onto the

[18:18] body and it's it's trying to organize

[18:22] the body into success and organize our

[18:24] lives into emotional well-being and and

[18:28] ultimately

[18:31] for me the the experience of being

[18:34] present

[18:36] is one in which I

[18:38] feel myself being organized by the

[18:41] present.

[18:42] I'm being touched by it. I'm being

[18:44] guided by it. I'm being taken by the

[18:47] hand and led by it.

[18:49] Well, if I've if I've taken charge of

[18:52] organizing myself,

[18:54] there's no room for that experience of

[18:57] being present.

[18:58] And then I have locked myself into this

[19:00] state of self-consciousness where one

[19:03] part of me is supervising conscious of

[19:06] the other part. And self-consciousness

[19:08] is a dark dark

[19:10] sort of prison to be to be floundering

[19:13] in.

[19:14] How to take such

[19:17] humility

[19:19] and courage and trust

[19:21] to take that spotlight of your attention

[19:25] off of yourself

[19:27] and open it to the world and find the

[19:29] world more interesting

[19:32] than your thoughts about it.

[19:36] I would say you cannot organize yourself

[19:39] into equanimity

[19:42] because the very act of organizing

[19:45] requires self-division.

[19:47] And there is no equanimity when you're

[19:49] in a divided self.

[19:54] >> Makes sense to me, Philip. And I really

[19:57] think a lot of people on a spiritual

[19:59] journey are very much in their head

[20:04] and not in their body. I think that

[20:05] would be commonplace. Would you agree?

[20:08] >> Yeah. I mean,

[20:10] I think every spiritual tradition

[20:15] begins from an embodied place.

[20:18] And then

[20:19] what happens is the dogma

[20:22] becomes preeminent

[20:25] and the body falls into the background

[20:27] and then and then the head has this map

[20:31] of what you should do and how you should

[20:33] aspire to it. And yeah, they I mean they

[20:35] call it spiritual bypassing. This sense

[20:38] of raise your consciousness. I

[20:40] Once in a while someone will ask me to

[20:42] give a talk and they'll say, what do you

[20:43] want to call it? And I'll say, why don't

[20:45] we call it lower your consciousness?

[20:48] And they go, [laughter] what? What? But

[20:51] but but we we have we have

[20:54] internalized

[20:56] a value system

[20:58] that says up is good

[21:00] and down is bad.

[21:02] You're looking up today.

[21:04] We know what that means. In another

[21:06] culture, it could mean you're looking a

[21:08] little disconnected and flighty. Are you

[21:10] okay?

[21:12] Just as you're looking down today in

[21:13] another culture could mean, oh, you're

[21:15] looking at peace with yourself and it

[21:17] rests on the earth. How wonderful. But

[21:19] we have demonized down because of this

[21:21] journey that's carried us into the head.

[21:25] We we we

[21:26] we are inflected away from the earth.

[21:29] And hell, where's hell? Well, it's

[21:31] beneath our feet.

[21:32] We we turned mother earth

[21:35] into the realm of hell.

[21:37] And we turned the female into

[21:40] We've demonized the female at the same

[21:43] time. And that that realm of the pelvic

[21:46] bowl in my body, I feel as the female

[21:49] pole of my consciousness, just as I feel

[21:52] the intelligence of the head as the male

[21:54] pole of my consciousness.

[21:56] And and that disconnection from the

[21:59] earth,

[22:01] that aspiration to go up, the

[22:04] We used you know, in the in the early

[22:06] Neolithic, we were gathered around the

[22:08] mother and we we worshiped the goddess

[22:11] and we felt the goddess manifest in in

[22:13] every little leaf and every little

[22:15] insect.

[22:16] And then as as we took charge of the

[22:20] world around us and our

[22:22] our center of thinking began to rise

[22:24] through the body up to the head,

[22:26] our allegiance then went to the sky and

[22:29] the gods in the sky, the male gods, and

[22:31] we weren't gathered around the mother,

[22:33] we were gathered around the father. And

[22:36] you know, it's a it's a long, long

[22:37] story. It's it's a story that is

[22:39] thousands of years old, that our culture

[22:42] has been on this track of moving into

[22:45] the head, moving away from the earth and

[22:48] aspiring to

[22:49] that ethereal realm of the sky.

[22:57] >> And it makes sense then, Philip, that

[23:00] there'd be so much uncertainty right now

[23:02] when you think how

[23:04] disembodied really

[23:06] we are. You know, we're looking for

[23:08] certainty

[23:10] and not really necessarily pursuing

[23:15] what it is to feel more present.

[23:17] >> And and you know, certainty

[23:20] certainty can come from idea

[23:23] which the head

[23:25] excels at. But but you know, I'm at a

[23:28] stage now where I I'm never aware of

[23:31] making a decision.

[23:33] And this the word decision, you know,

[23:35] it's related to incision. It means to

[23:37] cut away.

[23:39] But if I drop into my body, if I'm

[23:41] present to a choice, this, that, or the

[23:44] other, and I drop into my body and I'm

[23:47] just present to that choice, it's like

[23:49] the penny drops and I just know beyond

[23:53] doubt, beyond you know, second guessing,

[23:55] I just know what my next step will be.

[23:59] And that, you know, that too is a sign

[24:01] of equanimity. I'm carried forward

[24:04] through the whole of my being rather

[24:07] than being in this divided place of

[24:10] pushing an idea with the head and

[24:12] treating the body as the the tool to

[24:14] implement the idea.

[24:18] >> You're really pointing to the

[24:20] relationship with ourselves,

[24:23] I guess, where becoming more embodied

[24:27] changes our experience with ourselves,

[24:29] but also changes how we relate to other

[24:32] people and the world around us.

[24:35] >> Yeah, I don't think there's any

[24:36] relationship that is more fundamental to

[24:40] our being than our relationship with the

[24:42] body.

[24:44] And if we are trained into a top-down

[24:48] relationship with the body,

[24:50] then that becomes the template for all

[24:53] our other relationships. We have a

[24:55] top-down relationship with the world

[24:56] around us. We we organize our

[24:59] relationships. We we strategize around

[25:02] them.

[25:03] And and

[25:05] top-down, you know, has its strengths,

[25:09] but those strengths only come into

[25:12] their true value when the perspectives

[25:15] of the head

[25:16] are allowed to drop down through the

[25:18] body

[25:20] and join the intelligence of your being.

[25:22] So it's like the wholeness of your being

[25:26] brings those perspectives into

[25:28] proportion

[25:29] with with with the whole.

[25:33] >> And I'm sure you've heard this, Philip.

[25:35] So for someone who's listening or I

[25:38] spend almost all my life in my head. I'm

[25:40] sure people say that to you. What's one

[25:43] simple way they can begin reconnecting

[25:45] with the intelligence of their body?

[25:50] >> I tend to go to the breath

[25:53] and

[25:55] with a question,

[25:57] not a not a solution. And the question

[25:59] would be,

[26:00] how gently can you feel your breath?

[26:04] And can you feel it more gently?

[26:08] And where in the body are you not

[26:09] feeling the breath? And can you

[26:12] allow to sort of gently permeate

[26:16] this eventually there's this breath wave

[26:19] that travels through the whole of your

[26:20] being.

[26:22] The body is an inner ocean. We're 70%

[26:25] water.

[26:26] And every breath wave

[26:28] can traverse the whole of your being if

[26:30] the body is

[26:32] released into its natural fluidity.

[26:38] >> Wonderful.

[26:41] Phillip, if you could offer our audience

[26:42] one key

[26:44] to embody peace amidst chaos and thrive

[26:47] through uncertainty,

[26:49] what would that be?

[26:53] >> Feel yourself at rest on the earth.

[26:56] So what I mean by that is we are at rest

[26:59] on the earth. That's our reality. It has

[27:01] been since the day we were born.

[27:04] But when was the last time you truly

[27:06] felt yourself at rest on the earth?

[27:09] And when you when you allow yourself to

[27:12] drop in that way

[27:14] and truly come to rest on the earth,

[27:16] then you

[27:18] partake of its

[27:22] strength, its wisdom, its presence, its

[27:24] equanimity, who knows? But you

[27:27] you you join

[27:29] a larger knowing

[27:31] that then supports you.

[27:37] >> Thank you. I picture, you know, laying

[27:39] on the earth and we know how that feels.

[27:42] It just

[27:44] laying on a sandy beach, anywhere like

[27:46] that.

[27:47] It really points to nervous system

[27:49] regulation, doesn't it? That calmness.

[27:52] >> And and you know,

[27:54] I as a kid I have these memories of

[27:57] lying on the beach or lying in the grass

[28:00] and just the sense of completely

[28:02] at rest on the earth.

[28:04] And it is such a delicious memory.

[28:08] And there's no reason not to

[28:11] retrieve that experience.

[28:14] >> We make jokes, right, about go hug a

[28:17] tree or go whatever, do something in

[28:19] nature and

[28:21] it's a profound

[28:23] at to me and easy relatively way to come

[28:27] back to the body. It's it's like

[28:31] it's the one way to get the head out of

[28:33] story.

[28:35] >> Yeah, I mean

[28:36] the the the risk is that

[28:39] go hug a tree, you're following the

[28:40] directions from the head

[28:43] and the anticipation of what that means,

[28:45] but to stand before a tree and feel the

[28:49] invitation

[28:50] to move closer and wrap it in your arms

[28:53] is a very different thing.

[28:55] >> Ah, thank you for that.

[28:56] >> Yeah.

[28:57] >> Sure it would be.

[28:59] And

[29:02] getting into nature

[29:04] seems to help people get into their

[29:05] body.

[29:06] >> Oh.

[29:08] There's there's

[29:09] the life it you're you're surrounded by

[29:13] an intricate web of life that is dynamic

[29:16] and unfolding and the need of the head

[29:19] to see everything as a thing.

[29:22] Boy, if you're if you're in nature

[29:25] it just softens into a sensitivity

[29:29] that opens you to the world.

[29:33] >> When I first met you, Philip, you were

[29:35] headed on a bike trip

[29:37] with your daughter and

[29:40] I thought about

[29:42] you know how good that is for the body

[29:44] to feel the wind,

[29:46] to have the experience of the elements,

[29:50] body work, you know, just whether it's

[29:53] exercise or whether it's just to feel

[29:56] the experience of the body

[29:58] is a natural way to come to more balance

[30:01] in your life and the head naturally has

[30:04] to get out of the way

[30:06] when you're doing I I think it's

[30:07] natural, maybe not as natural for some,

[30:10] but you just get into this more

[30:11] presence, this more empty space.

[30:15] >> Absolutely. Yeah, it's

[30:17] I'm I

[30:19] I have a

[30:20] a joy on the bicycle, just the aliveness

[30:23] to the world around me that

[30:26] that doesn't quite happen the same way

[30:28] with anything else.

[30:30] >> Mhm. Thank you.

[30:32] Well, I and I feel like when when we are

[30:35] in our bodies that way, yes, the mind is

[30:37] still and is working, and it seems like

[30:41] it gets filled though with ideas that

[30:44] are more wholesome

[30:46] because it's not been in charge, the

[30:49] body or into your body, and then the

[30:51] mind is freer.

[30:53] >> Yeah. Yeah, I agree. And there's also a

[30:55] different

[30:57] relationship with the world. I am

[30:59] when I was a teenager, I

[31:02] went on a bike trip. I went to England

[31:04] and bought a bike and took off for Japan

[31:06] and

[31:07] was gone for two years and and

[31:10] you know, cycled through Europe and the

[31:12] Middle East and India and

[31:16] that I slept outside everywhere

[31:19] and as the sun

[31:21] you know, was sort of creeping towards

[31:22] the horizon, it was time to find a place

[31:24] to sleep in this

[31:26] strange country that I never knew what

[31:28] was around the next corner, but there

[31:30] was a sense of

[31:33] coming to a quiet place

[31:36] from which I was led. It was really like

[31:39] I was being taken by the hand

[31:41] and led to some place where I could

[31:44] safely spend the night.

[31:46] And

[31:47] you know, in in all in all those miles

[31:50] and days and months and years

[31:53] I was never once disturbed or threatened

[31:56] as I lay asleep

[31:59] waiting for dawn.

[32:03] >> Well,

[32:04] energy attracts, so

[32:07] the peaceful calm energy

[32:10] just brought you exactly that.

[32:12] >> Yeah.

[32:12] >> Wonderful.

[32:14] Well, thank you for sharing your wisdom,

[32:16] Philip, today. And I know you have a

[32:20] wonderful gift for our viewers.

[32:23] Could you tell us about the goldfish

[32:25] bowl, please?

[32:26] >> Yeah, it's a it's an audio exercise. We

[32:29] we

[32:31] have been trained to think in our heads

[32:34] and you know, there's not a cell in your

[32:36] body that doesn't participate

[32:40] in your thinking.

[32:41] You know, we have the brain, but mind,

[32:43] mind

[32:45] the the whole body is is part of what we

[32:49] experience as our mind. So it's a it's a

[32:52] practice that

[32:54] allows people or helps people experience

[32:57] the thinking of the body and to bring

[33:00] that into a sort of coherence, uh a

[33:03] center

[33:05] um from which the world

[33:08] is felt differently.

[33:12] >> Mm.

[33:14] Seems like a

[33:17] a sweet

[33:18] sweet experience. And so we're going to

[33:21] check out the goldfish bowl.

[33:23] Thank you for that, Philip. Do you have

[33:25] any last words of final thoughts for our

[33:28] viewers today?

[33:30] >> No, just uh you know, people can

[33:33] apportion blame to themselves for living

[33:36] in the head and not being able to get

[33:38] back to the body, not being able to find

[33:40] equanimity and

[33:42] and

[33:43] you know, my take is it's it's it's not

[33:47] it's not a a fault of yours in any way.

[33:50] It's a fault with our culture

[33:53] and to recognize how assiduously

[33:55] our culture trains us out of the body

[33:58] and into the head. And once you realize

[34:01] in a sense

[34:03] what has been done to your natural

[34:06] intelligence and your natural ease in

[34:08] the world, I think it's easier to find

[34:11] your way back in a sort of

[34:13] non-judgmental path of discovery.

[34:17] >> Beautiful.

[34:19] Thank you, Philip.

[34:20] >> My great pleasure.

[34:21] >> [clears throat]

[34:21] >> Thank you so much for our conversation

[34:23] today.

[34:25] And I just want to say thank you to our

[34:26] viewers. This is all about you. This is

[34:29] important information and insight for

[34:32] you to bring more equanimity into your

[34:34] life. If you would like access to this

[34:37] conversation today and all others in the

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[34:48] see you next time.

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Philip Shepherd is an embodiment expert, author and founder of The Embodied Present Process, which helps people reunite the thinking of the head with the intelligence of the body.

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In his conversation with Susan Hagar, Shepherd defines equanimity as balance, and balance as wholeness, which he equates with embodied presence. He describes it as the ability to meet what comes your way without being thrown off course, grounded in the body and at rest in the present.
Shepherd says cleverness is the head's analytical capacity, which is powerful for taking things apart but does not recognize wholeness. Embodied intelligence is the older attunement of the body, which he says is more than three billion years older than the brain's intelligence.
He draws on an Anangu tradition from Australia that recognizes three intelligences (head, heart, and belly) and warns that the head's intelligence is like a tangled fishing net. Shepherd explains that it is intricate and complex, and its strength lies in analysis, which tends to pull things to pieces.
Shepherd describes it as coming home to what the body most deeply understands, which is that it belongs in the world. He illustrates this by standing before a tree and really feeling its presence, a mutual recognition that the head's detached thinking tends to override.
Shepherd argues that the head does not understand harmony and substitutes order, which it tries to impose on everything. He says harmony is a dynamic organic whole in which every part responds without resistance to every other part, and he uses the murmuration of starlings as his image for it.
Shepherd distinguishes his approach from the common idea of sitting in the head and listening to your body. He says the aim is to listen to the world through the body, recognizing that the body understands it belongs to the world and feels the present.
Philip Shepherd is an embodiment facilitator and co-director of The Embodied Present Process, and the author of New Self, New World (2010) and Radical Wholeness (2017), plus co-author of Deep Fitness. He was interviewed by Susan Hagar as part of a 21-day series on equanimity.

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Jai Uttal's July 2027 kirtan retreat at Blue Spirit in Nosara, Costa Rica: the bhakti teachings, daily yoga and dance sessions, and drumming…

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