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[0:01] [music]
[0:08] >> Hello, hello everyone. My name is Susan.
[0:12] And this equanimity series is coming to
[0:14] you from the glory of the Andes of Peru.
[0:18] 21 keys to embody peace amidst chaos and
[0:21] thrive through uncertainty.
[0:24] Joining us today is Philip Shepherd, who
[0:27] is an embodiment facilitator.
[0:30] Philip is recognized as a leader in the
[0:32] global embodiment movement. He is the
[0:35] co-director of the embodied present
[0:38] process, which offers courses and
[0:41] coaching online
[0:42] as well as in-person workshops,
[0:44] retreats, and facilitator trainings
[0:46] worldwide.
[0:48] Philip is the author of Radical
[0:50] Wholeness and New Self, New World
[0:54] and co-author of Deep Fitness. Welcome,
[0:58] Philip.
[0:59] >> Such a pleasure to be here with you,
[1:01] Susan. Thank you.
[1:02] >> Thank you very much, Philip. And before
[1:06] we move into the topic of equanimity,
[1:08] please tell me about the work you're
[1:10] doing these days and what inspires you
[1:12] the most.
[1:13] >> The work I'm doing I'm I'm I'm writing
[1:16] another book, God help me, which I am
[1:19] just just in love with. I
[1:22] I I can't bear
[1:25] writing something I already know. I
[1:29] I you know want to stand on the edge of
[1:30] the cliff and and sort of step into the
[1:34] unknown and find my way and and what
[1:36] drives me there are questions that I
[1:40] feel sort of deep within the fabric of
[1:42] my being.
[1:44] So there's that and then I'm preparing.
[1:46] I've got workshops coming up in the fall
[1:48] that I'm looking forward to and
[1:50] a facilitator's training in November,
[1:52] which which is uh
[1:55] such a rich experience for me.
[1:58] >> Wow, sweet. Sounds like life.
[2:02] >> Uh yeah, it's pretty full. I wouldn't
[2:04] have it any other way.
[2:06] >> Wonderful. Phillip, can you tell us when
[2:09] you hear the word equanimity, what does
[2:11] it mean to you?
[2:14] >> means a lot of things. It you know, it
[2:15] means
[2:17] balance.
[2:19] Balance to me means wholeness. Wholeness
[2:22] to me
[2:23] means um embodied presence.
[2:27] So so equanimity is able to meet uh what
[2:32] comes your way without being thrown off
[2:35] balance, without being thrown off
[2:37] course.
[2:38] And that
[2:40] you know, in my experience that requires
[2:43] a groundedness in the body, this sense
[2:46] of being
[2:48] at rest within yourself, at rest within
[2:50] the body,
[2:52] at rest on the earth, at rest in the
[2:54] present.
[2:56] And and you know, rather than being
[2:59] fortified against the world,
[3:03] having a porosity of being that enables
[3:07] it to pass through you without getting
[3:09] caught, without getting stuck.
[3:14] >> Thank you. And
[3:17] I think a lot of your work explores
[3:20] how our culture's taught us to live
[3:22] primarily in our heads.
[3:25] So how does that disconnect from the
[3:27] body
[3:28] affect our ability to meet uncertainty
[3:31] with equanimity?
[3:33] >> I there are there are different ways of
[3:35] looking at it.
[3:37] You know, there are right hemispheric,
[3:38] left hemispheric differences. We we
[3:40] don't have one brain, we have two
[3:42] brains. And another way of understanding
[3:44] those two brains
[3:46] in in a more traditional sense is
[3:47] there's the intelligence in the head and
[3:49] the intelligence in the body
[3:52] uh which I feel
[3:53] grounded in the pelvic bowl. And it's
[3:56] interesting, there's an Anangu culture
[3:58] in Australia that recognizes three
[4:01] intelligences, the the head, the heart,
[4:04] and the and the belly.
[4:06] And they warn that the intelligence of
[4:08] the head is like a tangled fishing net.
[4:12] It is intricate, it is complex. If you
[4:14] know, it it it it wants to pull things
[4:17] to pieces. That's its strength, our
[4:19] analytical faculty. And it doesn't
[4:22] recognize wholeness. And then there is
[4:24] this other intelligence in the body that
[4:27] attunes to wholeness.
[4:29] And and you know, what our culture has
[4:32] done
[4:34] is it's taken us out
[4:37] of our most ancient, reliable
[4:40] intelligence, which is that of the body,
[4:43] and put all our faith in our cleverness.
[4:47] And I see a real difference between
[4:49] cleverness and intelligence.
[4:51] Intelligence,
[4:53] embodied intelligence
[4:56] is more than three
[4:58] billion years
[5:00] older than the intelligence of the
[5:02] brain. So the brain came along to
[5:05] supplement
[5:06] our body's intelligence. And what's
[5:08] happened in our culture is it has
[5:10] supplanted it and taken charge. And it
[5:12] takes charge
[5:14] by
[5:15] desensitizing us to the body. So
[5:19] you know, we all live in wholeness.
[5:20] There's no escaping wholeness, but but
[5:23] you can desensitize yourself to it. So
[5:25] this supervising intelligence in the
[5:29] head
[5:30] believes it is its knowledge is complete
[5:34] and it is the rightful ruler of the
[5:36] self.
[5:37] And and you know, we're we're
[5:40] systematically taught
[5:42] in our culture to dull ourselves to what
[5:45] we are we we we learn is the noise of
[5:50] the body below the neck. And that noise
[5:54] is our most
[5:56] subtle attunement to the world around
[5:59] us.
[6:00] So you know, that the cultural
[6:03] imperative to live in the head
[6:06] is really demonstrated by the public
[6:09] school system, where you got to put your
[6:12] body sort of into stasis. And if you're
[6:16] suppressing the body's energy, you're
[6:18] suppressing the body's intelligence, and
[6:20] you're you're punished if you don't. And
[6:23] meanwhile, if you can fill your head
[6:25] with the right information, the right
[6:26] answers, you're rewarded. So we go
[6:29] through 12 years as as as children
[6:33] of this reward and punishment system,
[6:37] the result of which is that we emerge
[6:39] believing
[6:41] that we can think more clearly with this
[6:43] fragment of our intelligence than we can
[6:46] with the whole of our being.
[6:49] >> Wow.
[6:50] Really.
[6:51] There's so much we could be
[6:54] benefiting from in school, and this
[6:58] piece isn't well addressed at all, just
[7:01] by nature of the setup of of how that
[7:03] system works.
[7:05] So then, Philip, when you say coming
[7:07] home to the body, which you often do,
[7:10] can you tell us what does that actually
[7:12] mean? What changes when we begin to live
[7:16] from that deeper embodied awareness?
[7:20] >> I
[7:21] To come home to the body is to come home
[7:24] to what the body most deeply understands
[7:26] and recognizes.
[7:28] And and
[7:30] the body
[7:32] knows that it belongs. What I mean by
[7:35] that is if you if you stand before a
[7:38] tree
[7:40] and really feel its presence,
[7:43] there is a belonging. There is a
[7:45] connection. There is a mutual
[7:46] recognition
[7:48] between you. And
[7:50] you know, to retreat into the head is to
[7:53] is to feel
[7:55] set apart from the world and alienated
[7:57] from it.
[7:58] And the body recognizes life, the life
[8:02] of the tree, of a blade of grass, of of
[8:05] of of the world around. And when you
[8:08] live in the head
[8:10] it
[8:12] denatures the world
[8:15] and we find ourselves surrounded by
[8:17] things
[8:19] than this
[8:20] of life within which we're actually
[8:22] immersed. And so to come home to the
[8:24] body
[8:26] isn't just to come home to oneself
[8:30] it's to come home to the world that
[8:33] holds you
[8:35] and to come home to all the intricate
[8:37] relationships
[8:39] that are felt through every moving
[8:42] moment.
[8:44] And to be at home in the world
[8:48] is to is to find equanimity.
[8:51] And if you're if you're not at home in
[8:53] the world how how how could it come your
[8:55] way?
[8:58] >> Right.
[9:01] Yeah, that sense of wholeness, being at
[9:03] home
[9:05] I don't know how familiar that is these
[9:07] days, but I imagine if we had more of
[9:10] that
[9:11] we'd have more equanimity.
[9:14] And
[9:15] um
[9:15] >> And the just the the body recognizes
[9:18] kinship.
[9:20] You you
[9:22] you sit on a chair made of wood and and
[9:26] that wood would have in its grain carbon
[9:30] that was breathed out by your ancestors.
[9:33] There there is there is there is shared
[9:35] existence, there is kinship
[9:38] in everywhere. There there's
[9:39] companionship
[9:41] in everything around us and we lose that
[9:43] companionship when we move up into the
[9:46] head and the head is so busy
[9:49] trying to fix things, trying to get it
[9:51] right, trying to ward off uh threat and
[9:54] disaster and and it goes round and round
[9:56] and round without ever truly feeling the
[10:00] present.
[10:01] And to drop down into the body is to
[10:04] come back
[10:06] to
[10:07] that deeper harmony
[10:10] that carries the world forward.
[10:12] >> Mhm.
[10:13] >> And you know, it's it's harmony is a
[10:16] property of wholeness.
[10:19] The head doesn't doesn't feel, doesn't
[10:21] understand harmony, what it substitutes
[10:25] instead is order and it wants to put
[10:28] impose order on everything. And order
[10:31] and harmony are opposites.
[10:35] You know, harmony is a disordered state.
[10:38] We don't think of it that way, but it is
[10:40] a is it is a dynamic
[10:42] organic whole in which every part of
[10:44] that whole responds without resistance
[10:47] to every other part. My
[10:49] my favorite image for harmony is a
[10:51] murmuration of starlings. Those those,
[10:55] you know,
[10:57] thousands of birds moving like an amoeba
[10:59] in the sky and dilating and rippling and
[11:02] no one's in charge of that. It is it is
[11:05] this
[11:06] extraordinary
[11:08] attunement that that each starling
[11:11] participates in and contributes to.
[11:16] >> Yeah, harmony.
[11:19] It seems that again
[11:22] people aren't, you know, experiencing a
[11:24] lot of that. There's
[11:26] fear and conflict, a lot [snorts] of
[11:28] uncertainty these days. And the mind or
[11:31] the brain, whatever, has this instinct,
[11:34] it seems, to think harder and try to
[11:36] regain control. That will make things
[11:39] right.
[11:41] What do you think the body might be
[11:43] inviting us to do instead of thinking
[11:45] harder?
[11:47] >> So, you know, what what people fall into
[11:50] is a state of dysregulation.
[11:54] And then
[11:55] the head says, I need to take control
[11:58] and it starts organizing and supervising
[12:00] and and trying to
[12:02] regulate. And
[12:05] if you are trying to regulate yourself
[12:07] from the head, you're in a divided
[12:09] state.
[12:11] And a divided state is a dysregulated
[12:13] state.
[12:15] So,
[12:16] to come back to the body
[12:19] is to discover you can't you can't
[12:21] regulate yourself.
[12:24] What you can do is surrender to the body
[12:28] and as you become more and more
[12:32] present,
[12:34] you are regulated by the present.
[12:38] And it's such a different quality to
[12:40] feel yourself held and guided and
[12:44] informed
[12:45] by the life of the present
[12:47] as opposed to feeling alone in the world
[12:50] and and needing to take charge of what
[12:53] is happening.
[12:55] >> Mm.
[12:57] It makes so much sense, Phillip. And
[13:00] you've spoken now about the pelvic bowl
[13:03] and this the body's deeper intelligence.
[13:06] So, how does accessing that deeper
[13:08] center
[13:10] change the way we experience stressful
[13:13] or challenging situations?
[13:16] >> I feel
[13:18] the pelvic floor
[13:21] as the ground of my being.
[13:24] So,
[13:25] you can't land in the body until you
[13:28] have a place to land.
[13:30] And for me, that's the pelvic floor.
[13:33] And when I come to rest in myself, it's
[13:36] onto the pelvic floor
[13:38] that I rest. When I want to access my
[13:42] deepest truth, it's to the pelvic floor
[13:44] I return. And and
[13:47] the
[13:48] there's this
[13:50] again, head versus body, safety versus
[13:54] security. So, the the head is always
[13:58] trying to find safety
[14:01] uh partly as a result of feeling so
[14:03] alone in the world. When you
[14:06] retract from the body into the head,
[14:09] you are stepping off of the bridge
[14:13] that connects you to the world. It's
[14:14] through the body that we feel the world
[14:16] around us.
[14:18] And and then in that in that state of
[14:21] loneliness, safety becomes paramount.
[14:23] And there's a You know, yes, look both
[14:25] ways before you step off the sidewalk
[14:28] onto the street, but there's a point at
[14:30] which safety becomes anti-life.
[14:35] You know, you you
[14:37] you look at life
[14:39] and ultimately you've got to conclude
[14:42] that life isn't safe. Being alive isn't
[14:45] safe. You're You're You're going to get
[14:47] hurt. You're going to feel loss and
[14:49] grief. You're going to suffer disease or
[14:51] illness. Life Being alive isn't safe.
[14:54] And
[14:55] safety
[14:57] relies on contingencies.
[15:00] A solid lock on your door or money in
[15:02] your bank account or you know, whatever
[15:03] it might be that you put in place
[15:05] contingencies to keep you safe. And the
[15:08] more contingencies you put in place, the
[15:11] more you are
[15:13] hemming yourself in.
[15:15] You are making your life smaller.
[15:18] And what we miss
[15:22] is security. And
[15:24] there's one security that that's not
[15:27] dependent on contingencies.
[15:29] And that's the security of your being.
[15:32] And that's what I find when I drop onto
[15:35] the pelvic floor,
[15:36] into the pelvic bowl. I come home to
[15:39] this security that no circumstance, no
[15:42] person can take away from me.
[15:44] This knowledge that I am
[15:47] held by the present.
[15:49] And so that, you know, that that journey
[15:53] out of the head
[15:54] you're you're leaving
[15:57] a faculty that works by excluding.
[16:01] It strawberry doesn't belong in the
[16:03] category of vegetable. You You pull
[16:05] things to pieces. You're It It excludes
[16:08] the lever from the spring. It sees the
[16:09] parts. And you move into a resource that
[16:14] that operates inclusively.
[16:17] So
[16:18] from the pelvic bowl to feel the world
[16:22] from there
[16:23] is to attune to its wholeness.
[16:26] And when you feel the world in its
[16:28] wholeness,
[16:31] the way I experienced it is you feel the
[16:33] world holding you in your wholeness.
[16:42] >> That's the sweet spot.
[16:44] >> Yeah.
[16:46] And consciousness, you know, our word
[16:48] consciousness, we're all about raising
[16:50] your consciousness and
[16:51] but but you you look into the word
[16:53] consciousness and you go back to the
[16:55] etymology of it.
[16:57] And the word consciousness
[16:59] comes from a Latin root that a verb that
[17:03] means to be mutually aware.
[17:06] So, we think of consciousness as this
[17:09] uh personal computer in the head. No,
[17:12] consciousness is relationship.
[17:15] And it's through the body that we come
[17:16] into felt relationship.
[17:18] The head doesn't doesn't understand felt
[17:21] relationship. It it just knows things
[17:23] and it names things and and and so the
[17:27] the consciousness you bring to your life
[17:29] from the head
[17:31] will be a consciousness that that tends
[17:33] to be two-dimensional
[17:34] as opposed to this
[17:36] mutual awareness that you feel with the
[17:38] world as you rest in the pelvic bowl.
[17:44] >> I'm so glad you said that because I
[17:46] think um it would be very common to have
[17:51] equanimity as something that's created
[17:53] through the mind
[17:55] instead of something that's experienced
[17:58] and cultivated through the body.
[18:01] >> I
[18:02] here's here's the paradox is
[18:05] is that supervising intelligence of the
[18:07] head
[18:09] is intent on organizing everything. It
[18:11] wants it wants to find order and and
[18:14] keep order.
[18:15] And it turns that same desire onto the
[18:18] body and it's it's trying to organize
[18:22] the body into success and organize our
[18:24] lives into emotional well-being and and
[18:28] ultimately
[18:31] for me the the experience of being
[18:34] present
[18:36] is one in which I
[18:38] feel myself being organized by the
[18:41] present.
[18:42] I'm being touched by it. I'm being
[18:44] guided by it. I'm being taken by the
[18:47] hand and led by it.
[18:49] Well, if I've if I've taken charge of
[18:52] organizing myself,
[18:54] there's no room for that experience of
[18:57] being present.
[18:58] And then I have locked myself into this
[19:00] state of self-consciousness where one
[19:03] part of me is supervising conscious of
[19:06] the other part. And self-consciousness
[19:08] is a dark dark
[19:10] sort of prison to be to be floundering
[19:13] in.
[19:14] How to take such
[19:17] humility
[19:19] and courage and trust
[19:21] to take that spotlight of your attention
[19:25] off of yourself
[19:27] and open it to the world and find the
[19:29] world more interesting
[19:32] than your thoughts about it.
[19:36] I would say you cannot organize yourself
[19:39] into equanimity
[19:42] because the very act of organizing
[19:45] requires self-division.
[19:47] And there is no equanimity when you're
[19:49] in a divided self.
[19:54] >> Makes sense to me, Philip. And I really
[19:57] think a lot of people on a spiritual
[19:59] journey are very much in their head
[20:04] and not in their body. I think that
[20:05] would be commonplace. Would you agree?
[20:08] >> Yeah. I mean,
[20:10] I think every spiritual tradition
[20:15] begins from an embodied place.
[20:18] And then
[20:19] what happens is the dogma
[20:22] becomes preeminent
[20:25] and the body falls into the background
[20:27] and then and then the head has this map
[20:31] of what you should do and how you should
[20:33] aspire to it. And yeah, they I mean they
[20:35] call it spiritual bypassing. This sense
[20:38] of raise your consciousness. I
[20:40] Once in a while someone will ask me to
[20:42] give a talk and they'll say, what do you
[20:43] want to call it? And I'll say, why don't
[20:45] we call it lower your consciousness?
[20:48] And they go, [laughter] what? What? But
[20:51] but but we we have we have
[20:54] internalized
[20:56] a value system
[20:58] that says up is good
[21:00] and down is bad.
[21:02] You're looking up today.
[21:04] We know what that means. In another
[21:06] culture, it could mean you're looking a
[21:08] little disconnected and flighty. Are you
[21:10] okay?
[21:12] Just as you're looking down today in
[21:13] another culture could mean, oh, you're
[21:15] looking at peace with yourself and it
[21:17] rests on the earth. How wonderful. But
[21:19] we have demonized down because of this
[21:21] journey that's carried us into the head.
[21:25] We we we
[21:26] we are inflected away from the earth.
[21:29] And hell, where's hell? Well, it's
[21:31] beneath our feet.
[21:32] We we turned mother earth
[21:35] into the realm of hell.
[21:37] And we turned the female into
[21:40] We've demonized the female at the same
[21:43] time. And that that realm of the pelvic
[21:46] bowl in my body, I feel as the female
[21:49] pole of my consciousness, just as I feel
[21:52] the intelligence of the head as the male
[21:54] pole of my consciousness.
[21:56] And and that disconnection from the
[21:59] earth,
[22:01] that aspiration to go up, the
[22:04] We used you know, in the in the early
[22:06] Neolithic, we were gathered around the
[22:08] mother and we we worshiped the goddess
[22:11] and we felt the goddess manifest in in
[22:13] every little leaf and every little
[22:15] insect.
[22:16] And then as as we took charge of the
[22:20] world around us and our
[22:22] our center of thinking began to rise
[22:24] through the body up to the head,
[22:26] our allegiance then went to the sky and
[22:29] the gods in the sky, the male gods, and
[22:31] we weren't gathered around the mother,
[22:33] we were gathered around the father. And
[22:36] you know, it's a it's a long, long
[22:37] story. It's it's a story that is
[22:39] thousands of years old, that our culture
[22:42] has been on this track of moving into
[22:45] the head, moving away from the earth and
[22:48] aspiring to
[22:49] that ethereal realm of the sky.
[22:57] >> And it makes sense then, Philip, that
[23:00] there'd be so much uncertainty right now
[23:02] when you think how
[23:04] disembodied really
[23:06] we are. You know, we're looking for
[23:08] certainty
[23:10] and not really necessarily pursuing
[23:15] what it is to feel more present.
[23:17] >> And and you know, certainty
[23:20] certainty can come from idea
[23:23] which the head
[23:25] excels at. But but you know, I'm at a
[23:28] stage now where I I'm never aware of
[23:31] making a decision.
[23:33] And this the word decision, you know,
[23:35] it's related to incision. It means to
[23:37] cut away.
[23:39] But if I drop into my body, if I'm
[23:41] present to a choice, this, that, or the
[23:44] other, and I drop into my body and I'm
[23:47] just present to that choice, it's like
[23:49] the penny drops and I just know beyond
[23:53] doubt, beyond you know, second guessing,
[23:55] I just know what my next step will be.
[23:59] And that, you know, that too is a sign
[24:01] of equanimity. I'm carried forward
[24:04] through the whole of my being rather
[24:07] than being in this divided place of
[24:10] pushing an idea with the head and
[24:12] treating the body as the the tool to
[24:14] implement the idea.
[24:18] >> You're really pointing to the
[24:20] relationship with ourselves,
[24:23] I guess, where becoming more embodied
[24:27] changes our experience with ourselves,
[24:29] but also changes how we relate to other
[24:32] people and the world around us.
[24:35] >> Yeah, I don't think there's any
[24:36] relationship that is more fundamental to
[24:40] our being than our relationship with the
[24:42] body.
[24:44] And if we are trained into a top-down
[24:48] relationship with the body,
[24:50] then that becomes the template for all
[24:53] our other relationships. We have a
[24:55] top-down relationship with the world
[24:56] around us. We we organize our
[24:59] relationships. We we strategize around
[25:02] them.
[25:03] And and
[25:05] top-down, you know, has its strengths,
[25:09] but those strengths only come into
[25:12] their true value when the perspectives
[25:15] of the head
[25:16] are allowed to drop down through the
[25:18] body
[25:20] and join the intelligence of your being.
[25:22] So it's like the wholeness of your being
[25:26] brings those perspectives into
[25:28] proportion
[25:29] with with with the whole.
[25:33] >> And I'm sure you've heard this, Philip.
[25:35] So for someone who's listening or I
[25:38] spend almost all my life in my head. I'm
[25:40] sure people say that to you. What's one
[25:43] simple way they can begin reconnecting
[25:45] with the intelligence of their body?
[25:50] >> I tend to go to the breath
[25:53] and
[25:55] with a question,
[25:57] not a not a solution. And the question
[25:59] would be,
[26:00] how gently can you feel your breath?
[26:04] And can you feel it more gently?
[26:08] And where in the body are you not
[26:09] feeling the breath? And can you
[26:12] allow to sort of gently permeate
[26:16] this eventually there's this breath wave
[26:19] that travels through the whole of your
[26:20] being.
[26:22] The body is an inner ocean. We're 70%
[26:25] water.
[26:26] And every breath wave
[26:28] can traverse the whole of your being if
[26:30] the body is
[26:32] released into its natural fluidity.
[26:38] >> Wonderful.
[26:41] Phillip, if you could offer our audience
[26:42] one key
[26:44] to embody peace amidst chaos and thrive
[26:47] through uncertainty,
[26:49] what would that be?
[26:53] >> Feel yourself at rest on the earth.
[26:56] So what I mean by that is we are at rest
[26:59] on the earth. That's our reality. It has
[27:01] been since the day we were born.
[27:04] But when was the last time you truly
[27:06] felt yourself at rest on the earth?
[27:09] And when you when you allow yourself to
[27:12] drop in that way
[27:14] and truly come to rest on the earth,
[27:16] then you
[27:18] partake of its
[27:22] strength, its wisdom, its presence, its
[27:24] equanimity, who knows? But you
[27:27] you you join
[27:29] a larger knowing
[27:31] that then supports you.
[27:37] >> Thank you. I picture, you know, laying
[27:39] on the earth and we know how that feels.
[27:42] It just
[27:44] laying on a sandy beach, anywhere like
[27:46] that.
[27:47] It really points to nervous system
[27:49] regulation, doesn't it? That calmness.
[27:52] >> And and you know,
[27:54] I as a kid I have these memories of
[27:57] lying on the beach or lying in the grass
[28:00] and just the sense of completely
[28:02] at rest on the earth.
[28:04] And it is such a delicious memory.
[28:08] And there's no reason not to
[28:11] retrieve that experience.
[28:14] >> We make jokes, right, about go hug a
[28:17] tree or go whatever, do something in
[28:19] nature and
[28:21] it's a profound
[28:23] at to me and easy relatively way to come
[28:27] back to the body. It's it's like
[28:31] it's the one way to get the head out of
[28:33] story.
[28:35] >> Yeah, I mean
[28:36] the the the risk is that
[28:39] go hug a tree, you're following the
[28:40] directions from the head
[28:43] and the anticipation of what that means,
[28:45] but to stand before a tree and feel the
[28:49] invitation
[28:50] to move closer and wrap it in your arms
[28:53] is a very different thing.
[28:55] >> Ah, thank you for that.
[28:56] >> Yeah.
[28:57] >> Sure it would be.
[28:59] And
[29:02] getting into nature
[29:04] seems to help people get into their
[29:05] body.
[29:06] >> Oh.
[29:08] There's there's
[29:09] the life it you're you're surrounded by
[29:13] an intricate web of life that is dynamic
[29:16] and unfolding and the need of the head
[29:19] to see everything as a thing.
[29:22] Boy, if you're if you're in nature
[29:25] it just softens into a sensitivity
[29:29] that opens you to the world.
[29:33] >> When I first met you, Philip, you were
[29:35] headed on a bike trip
[29:37] with your daughter and
[29:40] I thought about
[29:42] you know how good that is for the body
[29:44] to feel the wind,
[29:46] to have the experience of the elements,
[29:50] body work, you know, just whether it's
[29:53] exercise or whether it's just to feel
[29:56] the experience of the body
[29:58] is a natural way to come to more balance
[30:01] in your life and the head naturally has
[30:04] to get out of the way
[30:06] when you're doing I I think it's
[30:07] natural, maybe not as natural for some,
[30:10] but you just get into this more
[30:11] presence, this more empty space.
[30:15] >> Absolutely. Yeah, it's
[30:17] I'm I
[30:19] I have a
[30:20] a joy on the bicycle, just the aliveness
[30:23] to the world around me that
[30:26] that doesn't quite happen the same way
[30:28] with anything else.
[30:30] >> Mhm. Thank you.
[30:32] Well, I and I feel like when when we are
[30:35] in our bodies that way, yes, the mind is
[30:37] still and is working, and it seems like
[30:41] it gets filled though with ideas that
[30:44] are more wholesome
[30:46] because it's not been in charge, the
[30:49] body or into your body, and then the
[30:51] mind is freer.
[30:53] >> Yeah. Yeah, I agree. And there's also a
[30:55] different
[30:57] relationship with the world. I am
[30:59] when I was a teenager, I
[31:02] went on a bike trip. I went to England
[31:04] and bought a bike and took off for Japan
[31:06] and
[31:07] was gone for two years and and
[31:10] you know, cycled through Europe and the
[31:12] Middle East and India and
[31:16] that I slept outside everywhere
[31:19] and as the sun
[31:21] you know, was sort of creeping towards
[31:22] the horizon, it was time to find a place
[31:24] to sleep in this
[31:26] strange country that I never knew what
[31:28] was around the next corner, but there
[31:30] was a sense of
[31:33] coming to a quiet place
[31:36] from which I was led. It was really like
[31:39] I was being taken by the hand
[31:41] and led to some place where I could
[31:44] safely spend the night.
[31:46] And
[31:47] you know, in in all in all those miles
[31:50] and days and months and years
[31:53] I was never once disturbed or threatened
[31:56] as I lay asleep
[31:59] waiting for dawn.
[32:03] >> Well,
[32:04] energy attracts, so
[32:07] the peaceful calm energy
[32:10] just brought you exactly that.
[32:12] >> Yeah.
[32:12] >> Wonderful.
[32:14] Well, thank you for sharing your wisdom,
[32:16] Philip, today. And I know you have a
[32:20] wonderful gift for our viewers.
[32:23] Could you tell us about the goldfish
[32:25] bowl, please?
[32:26] >> Yeah, it's a it's an audio exercise. We
[32:29] we
[32:31] have been trained to think in our heads
[32:34] and you know, there's not a cell in your
[32:36] body that doesn't participate
[32:40] in your thinking.
[32:41] You know, we have the brain, but mind,
[32:43] mind
[32:45] the the whole body is is part of what we
[32:49] experience as our mind. So it's a it's a
[32:52] practice that
[32:54] allows people or helps people experience
[32:57] the thinking of the body and to bring
[33:00] that into a sort of coherence, uh a
[33:03] center
[33:05] um from which the world
[33:08] is felt differently.
[33:12] >> Mm.
[33:14] Seems like a
[33:17] a sweet
[33:18] sweet experience. And so we're going to
[33:21] check out the goldfish bowl.
[33:23] Thank you for that, Philip. Do you have
[33:25] any last words of final thoughts for our
[33:28] viewers today?
[33:30] >> No, just uh you know, people can
[33:33] apportion blame to themselves for living
[33:36] in the head and not being able to get
[33:38] back to the body, not being able to find
[33:40] equanimity and
[33:42] and
[33:43] you know, my take is it's it's it's not
[33:47] it's not a a fault of yours in any way.
[33:50] It's a fault with our culture
[33:53] and to recognize how assiduously
[33:55] our culture trains us out of the body
[33:58] and into the head. And once you realize
[34:01] in a sense
[34:03] what has been done to your natural
[34:06] intelligence and your natural ease in
[34:08] the world, I think it's easier to find
[34:11] your way back in a sort of
[34:13] non-judgmental path of discovery.
[34:17] >> Beautiful.
[34:19] Thank you, Philip.
[34:20] >> My great pleasure.
[34:21] >> [clears throat]
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[34:23] today.
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