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How Diet Reshapes Mental Health:Ketones, Mitochondria, and Psychiatric Recovery

Andrew Huberman
Andrew Huberman
Aug 27, 2026
7 min read
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Most people understand that food affects how they feel in the moment—a sugar rush, a caffeine jolt, the comfort of a familiar meal. But few grasp the deeper truth that nutrition and mental health interact on an intimate, even causal level, shaped not just by today's breakfast but by years of dietary patterns. What Dr. Chris Palmer discovered in his own life, and later confirmed across dozens of patients with treatment-resistant psychiatric illness, challenges fundamental assumptions about how psychiatry works. The story begins not in a lab, but in the personal crisis of a burned-out young physician.

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The Personal Turning Point

Palmer's journey started during his residency at Harvard Medical School. He was succeeding outwardly—making it through medical school with strong performance—but metabolically and emotionally compromised. At that point, he was diagnosed with metabolic syndrome: high blood pressure, elevated cholesterol, and pre-diabetes, all while following the standard low-fat diet and exercising regularly. Year after year, his condition worsened. His doctor's solution was pharmaceutical: three medications to manage the cascade of metabolic dysfunction, which Palmer recognized as a path toward a lifetime of escalating health problems.

But it was the psychological cost that proved most revealing. Palmer describes feeling trapped in a permanent state of depletion. He observed what he thought were two types of people in the world: those with natural energy and positivity who could "work hard and play hard," and everyone else—people like him, perpetually exhausted, who assumed the former group had simply won a genetic lottery.

Skeptical but desperate, Palmer tried the Atkins diet as a final experiment before accepting the medication route. Within three months, his metabolic syndrome had vanished. The weight loss was modest—about ten pounds—but the secondary effects astounded him. For the first time in his life, he woke before his alarm, rested and energized. His mood, concentration, and sleep transformed. He had become one of those "happy, peppy people" whose existence he'd previously doubted.

From Personal Recovery to Clinical Observation

Within a few years, Palmer was an attending psychiatrist in a tertiary care setting, which meant he rarely saw first-episode depression. Instead, he specialized in treatment-resistant mental illness—patients who had cycled through six or more psychiatrists, tried dozens of medications, undergone decades of psychotherapy, and sometimes received electroconvulsive therapy. For these people, conventional psychiatry had exhausted its options.

Palmer decided to offer the low-carbohydrate diet to interested patients, monitoring for ketosis through urinary ketones. He noticed a consistent pattern: patients who failed to enter ketosis rarely experienced clinical benefit, while those who achieved ketosis often did. One woman who had suffered chronic depression, suicidality, and repeated hospitalizations for over five years became hypomanic within a month on the diet—a shift so dramatic that Palmer recognized it as a psychiatric effect rivaling medication, but originating from food.

The Schizophrenia Breakthrough

In 2016, Palmer encountered a 33-year-old man with schizoaffective disorder who had been his patient for eight years. The patient experienced daily auditory hallucinations and paranoid delusions so severe that he could not venture into public without terror. Antipsychotic medications had failed to eliminate his symptoms. When Palmer suggested a ketogenic diet to achieve and maintain ketosis, the patient's response over weeks was extraordinary. The voices—which the patient had been told by psychiatric teams he would simply have to learn to live with—began to fade. Cognitive clarity returned. Within months, the patient reported that the voices had disappeared entirely, an outcome he credited to the diet itself.

The patient eventually reduced and eliminated his antipsychotic medication, maintaining psychiatric stability on the ketogenic diet alone—a result that Palmer describes as upending everything he had learned in psychiatric training. It raised an urgent question: if a metabolic intervention could resolve psychotic symptoms that pharmaceuticals could not, what was the biological mechanism at work?

Mitochondria and Mental Illness

Palmer's research led him to mitochondrial dysfunction. The mitochondrion is the cell's energy factory, responsible for producing ATP—the chemical currency cells use to function. These organelles are not passive; they also regulate cellular signaling, inflammation, and the synthesis of neurotransmitters including serotonin and dopamine. When mitochondria become dysfunctional, the cell is starved not only of energy but of the molecular signals required for proper mood regulation and cognitive function.

Metabolic stress—particularly chronic consumption of refined carbohydrates and highly processed foods—damages mitochondria over time. Ketones, the fuel produced when the body breaks down fat in the absence of glucose, restore mitochondrial function more efficiently than glucose does. This metabolic shift is so profound that it has been used for over a century to treat epilepsy, another neurological condition rooted partly in mitochondrial dysfunction. The same mechanism that calms seizures appears to calm the disordered neural activity underlying depression, anxiety, psychosis, and other psychiatric conditions.

Palmer emphasizes that the brain, despite representing only 2% of body weight, consumes 20% of the body's energy. A dysfunctional mitochondrial network thus has outsized effects on mood, cognition, and emotional regulation. When carbohydrate intake is restricted and ketosis is achieved, mitochondrial health improves through multiple pathways—reduced inflammation, enhanced autophagy (cellular cleanup), and increased production of protective molecules.

Fasting, Mitophagy, and Cellular Renewal

Fasting and extended carbohydrate restriction trigger a process called mitophagy—the targeted removal and replacement of damaged mitochondria. This cellular renewal process may explain why some patients experience rapid psychiatric improvements when they adopt these dietary patterns. Palmer notes that fasting has historical roots in religious and spiritual practice, suggesting that humans intuitively recognized its healing power long before modern neurobiology could explain it. The process takes time; results are not always immediate, but those who achieve and maintain ketosis often report stable improvements in mood and mental clarity within weeks to months.

Depression, Carbohydrate Restriction, and Long-Term Outcomes

For patients with treatment-resistant depression, the clinical picture aligns with Palmer's early observations. Carbohydrate restriction—particularly elimination of highly processed foods—produces antidepressant effects that rival pharmacotherapy for some individuals. The mechanism is not purely psychological; the biological substrate is mitochondrial restoration. Palmer stresses that highly processed foods, often engineered to override satiety signals and promote overconsumption, are particularly damaging to mitochondrial function. By contrast, whole foods and ketone-based metabolism allow the mitochondrial network to repair and function optimally.

Palmer's work suggests that a significant portion of modern psychiatric illness may reflect a crisis of mitochondrial dysfunction driven by dietary patterns—a reframing that repositions nutrition not as an adjunct to psychiatric treatment but as a primary intervention. It also implies that psychiatry's heavy reliance on pharmaceutical management, while valuable for acute crisis and some patients, may overlook a metabolic root cause that dietary intervention can address directly.

Practical Considerations and Individual Variability

Palmer cautions that not all patients respond equally to carbohydrate restriction or ketogenic approaches. Some conditions benefit more than others; individual genetics, microbiome composition, and coexisting medical conditions all influence outcomes. He also emphasizes the importance of working with a healthcare professional when implementing significant dietary changes, especially for patients on psychiatric medications, which may need adjustment as metabolic state shifts.

The transition to ketosis can take days and may include temporary cognitive fog or fatigue—what is sometimes called the "keto flu." Patient education and medical support during this window are critical. For some, a ketogenic diet remains the primary intervention; for others, it is one component of a broader treatment plan that may include therapy, lifestyle, and in some cases, medication.

Where to go from here

For individuals struggling with mood, energy, or psychiatric symptoms, Palmer's work invites a conversation with a psychiatrist or healthcare provider familiar with metabolic psychiatry. Experimenting with carbohydrate reduction—even temporarily—can reveal whether metabolic dysfunction is contributing to your mental health challenges. Resources like Palmer's own clinical work and published research provide evidence-based frameworks for understanding how diet shapes brain function. The conversation between nutrition and neurobiology is far from complete, but the clinical evidence suggests it is one of the most overlooked leverage points in modern mental health care.

Transcript

[0:00] Welcome to Huberman Lab Essentials,

[0:02] [music] where we revisit past episodes

[0:04] for the most potent and actionable

[0:06] science-based [music] tools for mental

[0:08] health, physical health, and

[0:09] performance.

[0:12] I'm Andrew Huberman, and I'm a professor

[0:14] of neurobiology and ophthalmology at

[0:16] Stanford School of Medicine. And now for

[0:18] my discussion with Dr. Chris Palmer.

[0:21] Chris, Dr. Palmer, thank you for being

[0:23] here.

[0:23] >> Thank you, Andrew, for having me.

[0:25] >> I have a lot of questions for you, and

[0:27] I'm really excited about this topic

[0:29] because I think most people know what

[0:32] mental illness is, or they have some

[0:33] idea what that is. Most people have some

[0:35] idea what nutrition is.

[0:37] Fewer people, certainly, know

[0:40] how

[0:41] closely those things can interact. I

[0:44] think everybody is familiar with the

[0:46] feeling of a food or the ingestion of a

[0:49] food making them feel good in the short

[0:51] term. But, I believe that very few

[0:54] people understand or are familiar with

[0:58] the fact that nutrition and our mental

[1:00] health

[1:02] interact in this very intimate, maybe

[1:04] even causal, way. And that is something

[1:06] that occurs over long periods of time,

[1:08] meaning what I ate yesterday, the day

[1:10] before, maybe even 10 years ago, could

[1:13] be impacting the way that my brain and

[1:15] body are making me feel now. So, if you

[1:17] would, I'd love for you to just tell us

[1:19] about a little bit of the the history,

[1:21] in particular your history with

[1:23] exploring the relationship between

[1:25] nutrition and mental health, and then we

[1:27] can dive into some of the um more

[1:30] particulars of ketogenic diets versus

[1:32] other diets, and

[1:34] some of the truly miraculous findings

[1:36] that you and others are coming up with

[1:39] based on real patients and real

[1:41] experiences of people who suffer and

[1:43] then find relief by altering their

[1:45] nutrition.

[1:46] >> Sure. This story really starts with my

[1:48] own personal story. I don't need to go

[1:50] into great detail, but to set the stage,

[1:53] when I was a kid, I definitely had

[1:56] mental illness. Started with OCD. I went

[1:59] on to have subsequent depression,

[2:02] suicidality, all sorts of things. But

[2:04] somehow or another, I pulled myself

[2:06] together and got through medical school,

[2:08] actually did quite well in medical

[2:10] school, and then was doing my internship

[2:13] and residency at Harvard. And at that

[2:15] point in time, I was diagnosed with

[2:18] metabolic syndrome.

[2:20] So, I had high blood pressure, horrible

[2:22] lipids, and pre-diabetes. And I was

[2:26] doing everything right, supposedly. I

[2:28] was on a low-fat diet, and I was

[2:31] exercising regularly.

[2:33] And year after year, my doctor kept

[2:34] telling me, "Diet and exercise." I was

[2:37] doing everything he kept telling me to

[2:38] do. Everything was getting worse. My

[2:40] blood pressure kept going higher. And at

[2:42] some point, he said, "You're going to

[2:44] have to go on medication for your

[2:46] pre-diabetes, something for your

[2:47] cholesterol, and something for your

[2:49] blood pressure."

[2:50] So, three pills. Basically, you're

[2:52] screwed. It's your genes. You're just

[2:54] going to have to bite the bullet and

[2:56] take meds. As a physician, I knew what

[2:58] that meant.

[2:59] I knew that I'm in my 20s, if I'm

[3:01] already on three meds for metabolic

[3:04] syndrome, I'm going to be screwed by the

[3:06] time I'm 40 or 50, and I'm probably

[3:08] going to be having heart attacks. I'd

[3:10] heard through the rumor mill that the

[3:13] Atkins diet could somehow

[3:16] help people improve their cholesterol

[3:19] and pre-diabetes. I was highly

[3:21] skeptical, and I I you know, I believed

[3:23] everything I was taught in medical

[3:24] school. Why would Why would my

[3:26] professors lie to me? They They knew

[3:28] what they were talking about. Low-fat

[3:30] diet was the thing to do.

[3:32] And the Atkins diet was clearly

[3:34] dangerous and reckless. And I had been

[3:36] trying the medical dogma for years, and

[3:39] it wasn't working for me.

[3:41] And so, for whatever reason, I decided

[3:43] this is going to be my last attempt at

[3:46] at something different. And then I'll

[3:48] just bite the bullet and go on meds. So,

[3:51] I tried the Atkins diet. Within 3

[3:54] months, my metabolic syndrome was

[3:55] completely gone. I probably lost about,

[3:58] you know, 10 lb through this process,

[4:01] but everything got normal. And when I

[4:03] went back to my doctor, he was shocked.

[4:05] The thing that was the most striking to

[4:08] me after doing the diet for 3 months was

[4:11] not the fact that my metabolic syndrome

[4:13] was gone. That was my goal, and it was

[4:16] a, you know, seemingly miraculous

[4:19] uh achievement because I got rid of

[4:22] everything

[4:23] with one dietary change. But, the thing

[4:26] that I noticed was dramatic improvement

[4:28] in my mood, energy, concentration, and

[4:31] sleep. For the first time in my life, I

[4:34] started waking up before my alarm went

[4:36] off and feeling rested. That never

[4:39] happened to me before. I was meticulous

[4:42] about planning when my alarm went off

[4:45] and how many times I could push the

[4:47] snooze button in order to be on time for

[4:50] wherever I needed to be, whether it was

[4:52] school or the hospital or whatever.

[4:55] Prior to the diet, I always felt like

[4:58] there are two types of people in the

[4:59] world. There are these happy, peppy

[5:01] people who just are so positive, and

[5:04] they've got energy, and they have these

[5:06] the saying, they like to work hard and

[5:08] play hard. But, I never understood who

[5:12] the hell wants to play hard. Like, who's

[5:14] got energy for that? Like, aren't you

[5:16] tired from working so hard? I assumed

[5:19] that they were just lucky and

[5:20] privileged. They either had good

[5:22] genetics or maybe they had good

[5:25] childhoods or good parents or something,

[5:27] something that I didn't have.

[5:29] >> What was the journey forward into the

[5:31] the work that you're doing now?

[5:33] >> So, within a few years, I'm, you know,

[5:36] an attending physician. I've got all

[5:38] these patients in my clinical practice

[5:40] with treatment-resistant mental illness.

[5:41] I'm in a tertiary care hospital. So, I

[5:44] almost never get somebody off the street

[5:48] with their first episode of depression.

[5:50] Out of the gate as part of my career, I

[5:53] get treatment-resistant mental

[5:54] disorders. So, I get people who've

[5:56] already been to six plus psychiatrists,

[5:59] therapists. They've usually tried dozens

[6:01] of different medications. They've been

[6:03] in decades of psychotherapy. They've

[6:06] often had ECT and other things, and

[6:09] nothing's working.

[6:10] And I'm thinking, you know, well, we're

[6:12] kind of out of options for these other

[6:13] people, and this diet is having this

[6:16] really powerful antidepressant effect. I

[6:18] think I'm going to try it and just see

[6:20] if any of my patients are game to try it

[6:22] to see if it might help them. Sure

[6:25] enough, it did.

[6:27] Didn't help everyone, and not everybody

[6:28] was interested and or able to do it, but

[6:31] some of the ones who were able to do it

[6:34] ended up having a remarkable and

[6:36] powerful antidepressant effect. One

[6:38] woman actually became hypomanic within a

[6:40] month.

[6:41] And she had been depressed pretty much

[6:44] non-stop for over 5 years, chronically

[6:47] depressed, suicidal, in and out of

[6:49] hospitals.

[6:50] And I saw her become hypomanic, and I'm

[6:52] thinking, wow, this really is a powerful

[6:54] antidepressant effect. Like, this is

[6:56] amazing. This is like a medication, but

[6:59] better because it actually is working

[7:01] for her. At that point, we didn't have

[7:04] many clinical trials of the safety or

[7:07] efficacy of the Atkins diet for even

[7:09] weight loss or diabetes, let alone any

[7:12] mental disorders. And so, I really

[7:14] actually felt like I'm on the fringe

[7:15] here, and this is not going to be met

[7:19] with with praise by anyone. So, I'm just

[7:22] going to lay low. I'm going to offer it

[7:24] to patients.

[7:26] And uh and I I went along that way up

[7:30] until

[7:31] 2016.

[7:32] >> So, low-carbohydrate diet, certainly low

[7:35] sugar.

[7:35] >> Yeah.

[7:36] >> I'm assuming you're not a nutritionist,

[7:37] so how did you prescribe a nutrition

[7:40] plan for your patients?

[7:42] >> The first patients, it was try this

[7:44] Atkins diet. I want to see ketosis, so I

[7:48] was strongly recommending the patients

[7:51] achieve urinary ketosis. And the

[7:54] interesting thing is I noticed a pattern

[7:56] that when they were trying the diet and

[7:58] not getting ketones, they often did not

[8:00] get a clinical benefit. It was once they

[8:02] got into ketosis that I began to notice

[8:05] the clinical benefit. The thing that

[8:07] completely upended everything that I

[8:10] knew as a psychiatrist, though, was when

[8:11] I helped the patient in 2016.

[8:14] 33-year-old man with schizoaffective

[8:16] disorder. He'd been my patient for 8

[8:18] years now. He had daily auditory

[8:21] hallucinations. He had paranoid

[8:23] delusions.

[8:24] He could not go out in public without

[8:26] being terrified. This man was tormented

[8:29] by his illness. It ruined his life. He

[8:32] had already tried 17 different

[8:34] medications, and none of them stopped

[8:36] his symptoms. He weighed 340 lb. And for

[8:40] whatever reason, he gets it in his head,

[8:42] I'm never going to get a girlfriend if I

[8:43] don't lose some weight. He also

[8:45] recognizes, I'm never going to get a

[8:47] girlfriend cuz I'm a loser. I'm

[8:48] schizophrenic. I live with my father. I

[8:51] you know, I have nothing going for me.

[8:53] For a variety of reasons, we ended up

[8:55] deciding to try the ketogenic diet. He

[8:57] decides to give it a try. Within 2

[9:00] weeks, not only does he start losing

[9:02] weight, but I begin to notice this

[9:04] dramatic antidepressant effect. He's

[9:06] making better eye contact. He's smiling

[9:09] more. He's talking a lot more. I'm

[9:11] thinking like, what's gotten into you?

[9:12] Like, you're coming to life. Like,

[9:14] you're I've never heard you talk this

[9:15] much. I've never seen you so excited or

[9:19] present or alive. I haven't changed his

[9:22] meds at all. The thing that upended

[9:25] everything that I knew as a psychiatrist

[9:27] was 6 to 8 weeks in, he spontaneously

[9:30] starts reporting, "You know those voices

[9:32] that I hear all the time?

[9:34] They're going away." And he says, "You

[9:36] know, you know how I always thought that

[9:38] there were all these families who were

[9:40] controlling my thoughts and out to get

[9:42] me and they had targeted me and I'm

[9:44] thinking, oh, yeah,

[9:45] we've been talking about that for eight

[9:46] years. We could talk about that again.

[9:48] He says, now that I think about it, I

[9:50] don't think that's true.

[9:52] And now that I say it, it sounds kind of

[9:54] crazy. It probably never was. I've

[9:56] probably had schizophrenia all along

[9:58] like everybody's been trying to tell me.

[10:01] And I think it's going away. He's now

[10:03] lost 160 pounds and kept it off to this

[10:05] day.

[10:06] >> Wow.

[10:07] >> He was able to do things he had not been

[10:09] able to do since the time of his

[10:11] diagnosis. He was able to complete a

[10:12] certificate program. He's able to go out

[10:15] in public and not be paranoid. He

[10:17] performed improv in front of a live

[10:19] audience.

[10:20] At one point, he was able to move out of

[10:22] his father's home and live

[10:24] independently.

[10:25] >> Did he stay on any kind of antipsychotic

[10:28] or other medication?

[10:30] >> We have slowly but surely tried to taper

[10:32] him off his meds. He has been on meds

[10:35] for a decades. He started medications

[10:37] when he was a young child.

[10:40] His brain is developed in response to

[10:44] all sorts of psychiatric medications.

[10:47] And it has not been easy to try to get

[10:48] him off. And I just want to say for any

[10:50] listeners, getting off your meds is very

[10:53] difficult and dangerous and you need to

[10:55] do it with supervision with a

[10:58] a mental health

[10:59] professional or a prescriber.

[11:01] >> To stay in ketosis,

[11:03] uh what sort of blood levels of ketones

[11:06] do you like to see in your patients?

[11:08] What is the range that you think most

[11:11] people could aspire to?

[11:13] >> So, it really depends on the patient and

[11:15] what I'm treating, quite honestly. And I

[11:17] don't think every patient needs the

[11:19] ketogenic diet. For some patients,

[11:21] simply getting rid of junk food can make

[11:23] a huge difference in a mood disorder,

[11:25] for instance.

[11:25] >> So, a junk food meaning highly processed

[11:28] food, food that could last on the shelf

[11:29] a very long time.

[11:30] >> Highly processed foods that are usually

[11:33] high in both sugar, carbohydrate, and

[11:36] carbs and fats. Those seem to be the

[11:40] worst foods. That combination, high

[11:44] sugar, high fat, um seems to be the

[11:47] worst combination for metabolic health.

[11:50] And lo and behold, we've got emerging

[11:53] data that suggests that strongly

[11:54] suggests it's also bad for mental

[11:57] health. So, to step back from that. So,

[11:59] for some patients, I might just want to

[12:01] decrease glucose and insulin levels, and

[12:04] I can do that by getting rid of sweets.

[12:06] For other patients, like patients with

[12:08] schizoaffective disorder or

[12:09] schizophrenia or bipolar disorder, or

[12:11] especially if it's chronic, if I'm using

[12:13] it as a brain treatment, then I do want

[12:17] a ketogenic diet, and I usually want

[12:19] reasonably high levels of blood ketones.

[12:22] For depression, I want to see at least

[12:24] greater than probably 0.8 mmol. For

[12:27] psychotic disorders and bipolar

[12:29] disorder,

[12:31] I usually want to see levels greater

[12:33] than 1.5. That's what I'm shooting for

[12:36] if at all possible.

[12:37] >> I think that for a lot of listeners

[12:41] and people out there who

[12:43] are familiar with how changing your diet

[12:45] or changing your exercise can positively

[12:47] impact sleep and weight and all these

[12:49] things, and it cascades into feeling

[12:51] better. That makes perfect sense.

[12:54] But for a lot of the world still,

[12:57] the idea that changing or using

[12:59] nutrition

[13:00] as a dissection tool or as a treatment

[13:04] tool to understand and treat mental

[13:06] illness

[13:07] is still a kind of heretical idea. That

[13:10] to them, it kind of falls in the okay,

[13:11] well, that's like a woo science or

[13:14] something like that. They immediately

[13:16] think, "Didn't Atkins die have a heart

[13:18] attack?" You know, I hear that a lot,

[13:19] you know, which I do think is throwing

[13:21] the baby out with the bathwater, but

[13:22] it's an interesting thing nonetheless.

[13:24] And then I think that the majority of

[13:25] people sit in the middle and just want

[13:28] to see science and medicine come up with

[13:30] treatments that work. And I have to say

[13:32] I'm very relieved to hear what you said

[13:35] earlier, which was you never said that

[13:36] people should come off their medication

[13:38] and just become go on a ketogenic diet

[13:40] and everything will be cured. You're

[13:41] certainly not saying that.

[13:43] >> No.

[13:43] >> And rather you're saying

[13:46] if I understand correctly that nutrition

[13:49] needs to be considered one of the major

[13:50] tools in the landscape of effective

[13:53] tools and that it can be very effective.

[13:55] Talk about epilepsy and how the

[13:57] ketogenic diet is not just used for

[14:00] epilepsy, but is one of the oldest, if

[14:02] not the oldest examples of the use of

[14:05] nutrition to treat a condition of the

[14:08] nervous system that can be incredibly

[14:10] debilitating, even deadly.

[14:11] >> Yeah. The reality is that this

[14:13] literature and this clinical history and

[14:16] all of the research we have was the

[14:18] godsend that I needed to do the work

[14:21] that I'm doing.

[14:23] Otherwise, I would have been discredited

[14:24] on day one. The ketogenic diet,

[14:27] unbeknownst to most people, was actually

[14:29] developed 100 years ago, 1921,

[14:33] by a physician for one and only one

[14:36] purpose, to treat epilepsy. It wasn't

[14:39] developed as a weight loss diet. It

[14:41] wasn't developed as the the diet that

[14:43] all human beings should follow. And the

[14:45] reason it was developed is because of

[14:47] this

[14:49] long-standing observation since the time

[14:51] of Hippocrates

[14:53] that fasting

[14:55] can stop seizures. Most people think

[14:57] going without food is bad and they

[15:00] equate it with starvation. But in fact,

[15:04] when we go without food, it causes

[15:06] tremendous shifts in metabolism, both

[15:10] brain and body metabolism.

[15:12] And it puts the body into a mode of

[15:16] autophagy and conservation of resources

[15:19] and all sorts of things that are

[15:21] beneficial to human health. And this is

[15:23] why fasting has been used as a

[15:25] therapeutic intervention in almost every

[15:27] culture and almost every religion for

[15:30] millennia. But for the most part, that

[15:32] was all thought to be religious

[15:33] folklore. In 1921,

[15:36] one physician used intermittent fasting

[15:40] on a child with seizures and found that

[15:42] oh, lo and behold, this religious

[15:43] folklore stuff has something to it.

[15:45] Actually worked. The problem with

[15:47] fasting is that you can only fast for so

[15:49] long before you starve to death and

[15:51] that's not a very effective treatment.

[15:53] As soon as people start eating a normal

[15:54] diet again, their seizures usually come

[15:56] right back, often times with a

[15:58] vengeance. And so it can be a good

[15:59] short-term intervention. The fasting can

[16:02] take a few days cuz it can take a few

[16:03] days to get ketosis and then you can get

[16:06] some relief from chronic seizures, but

[16:09] it's not a good long-term treatment

[16:11] because again, people will starve to

[16:14] death. As soon as they start eating,

[16:16] seizures come back. So it was actually

[16:18] Dr. Russell Wilder at the Mayo Clinic

[16:21] who developed the ketogenic diet with

[16:23] one and only one purpose. He wanted to

[16:25] see, can we mimic the fasting state

[16:29] using this special diet

[16:32] to see if it might stop seizures

[16:35] long-term.

[16:36] And lo and behold, it worked. Early

[16:39] results were extraordinarily positive.

[16:41] 50% of patients who used the ketogenic

[16:43] diet became seizure-free and another 35%

[16:48] had a 50% or greater reduction in their

[16:50] seizure frequency. So about 85% efficacy

[16:54] rate. By the 1950s,

[16:56] pharmaceuticals were coming out and we

[16:58] had many more anticonvulsant treatments

[17:01] and there's no question they work for a

[17:03] lot of people. That's great. And taking

[17:06] a pill is so much easier than doing this

[17:08] diet. But lo and behold, even to this

[17:11] day, people with epilepsy, about 30%

[17:14] don't respond to the current treatments

[17:17] that we have available.

[17:18] 30% will have treatment-resistant

[17:20] epilepsy, which means they continue to

[17:22] have seizures, no matter how many

[17:24] anticonvulsants they're taking,

[17:26] even if they've had brain surgery, it

[17:28] just doesn't stop their seizures. And

[17:30] so, in the 1970s, the ketogenic diet was

[17:32] resurrected at Johns Hopkins for these

[17:35] treatment-resistant cases, and lo and

[17:37] behold, it works. Not for all of them,

[17:40] but it works, and about 1/3 become

[17:43] seizure-free. And these are people

[17:45] who've tried everything, and nothing's

[17:46] working. So, 1/3 become seizure-free.

[17:49] Another third get a clinical benefit,

[17:51] meaning a 50% or greater reduction in

[17:53] their seizure frequency. And the other

[17:55] third, it doesn't seem to work. And so,

[17:57] the reality, the godsend for me, is that

[18:00] we have decades of neuroscience research

[18:03] on the ketogenic diet and what it is

[18:04] doing to the brain. We know that the

[18:07] ketogenic diet is influencing

[18:09] neurotransmitter levels, in particular,

[18:11] glutamate, GABA, adenosine. It changes

[18:14] calcium channel regulation, uh and

[18:17] calcium levels, which is really

[18:18] important in the function of cells. It

[18:20] changes gene expression. It reduces

[18:23] brain inflammation. It changes the gut

[18:26] microbiome, and there are, you know, gut

[18:27] microbiome's a huge topic right now, and

[18:29] there are some researchers who argue

[18:31] that is the primary benefit of the

[18:32] ketogenic diet. It's changing the gut

[18:34] microbiome in beneficial ways.

[18:37] Um so, it's doing a lot of things. It

[18:39] obviously improves insulin resistance,

[18:42] uh lowers glucose levels, lowers insulin

[18:45] levels, which improves insulin

[18:47] signaling. The key for

[18:50] my research that I've outlined,

[18:54] the real magic, is that this diet

[18:58] stimulates two processes that relate to

[19:00] mitochondria.

[19:02] It stimulates a process called

[19:03] mitophagy,

[19:05] which is getting rid of old and

[19:07] defective mitochondria and replacing

[19:09] them with new ones. And it also

[19:11] stimulates a process called

[19:12] mitochondrial biogenesis,

[19:14] which means that after people have done

[19:17] the ketogenic diet for a while, months

[19:20] or years, many of their cells in their

[19:23] bodies and brains will have more

[19:26] mitochondria, and those mitochondria

[19:29] will be healthier.

[19:31] And I believe that is the reason the

[19:34] ketogenic diet is such a powerful

[19:36] treatment not only for epilepsy, but

[19:39] also for people with chronic mental

[19:41] disorders. If you're looking for

[19:43] randomized controlled trials documenting

[19:45] efficacy in large numbers of patients

[19:48] with these disorders, we don't have

[19:51] them.

[19:52] >> They're underway now, but we don't have

[19:54] them yet. Maybe we could just talk about

[19:56] mitochondria for a moment and then talk

[19:57] about these two major effects. What are

[19:59] some of the other things that

[20:00] mitochondria are important for

[20:03] in neurons and

[20:05] maybe other cells of the brain?

[20:07] >> If you think of the cell as a computer,

[20:09] a lot of people think of mitochondria as

[20:11] the power cord to that computer, cuz

[20:13] they're providing the power. And they

[20:15] are in fact the power cord to that

[20:16] computer. But actually, their real

[20:18] function is the motherboard of that

[20:20] computer. So, mitochondria are directing

[20:23] and allocating resources throughout a

[20:26] cell. That is their primary function,

[20:28] and then they happen to be powerhouses

[20:30] as well. To give some clear examples,

[20:33] mitochondria play a direct role in the

[20:35] production and release and regulation of

[20:39] some really key neurotransmitters,

[20:41] including serotonin, dopamine,

[20:44] glutamate, acetylcholine.

[20:47] Those are pretty powerful

[20:48] neurotransmitters.

[20:49] >> Yeah, I would call those I would

[20:50] consider those the I know you listed

[20:52] more than three, but

[20:54] the sort of primary colors of

[20:56] neurotransmission. You know, any one of

[20:58] those

[20:59] in excess or deficiency is going to have

[21:02] profound negative effects on a nervous

[21:04] system.

[21:05] >> Mitochondria are providing both some of

[21:08] the

[21:09] building blocks, if you will, for some

[21:10] of those molecules. They're part of the

[21:13] Krebs citric acid cycle. Some of the

[21:15] some of the intermediate products

[21:17] actually go into making those

[21:19] neurotransmitters. Much more

[21:21] importantly, mitochondria provide the

[21:23] energy for the production of those

[21:25] neurotransmitters. And fascinatingly,

[21:28] mitochondria are directly related to the

[21:31] release of neurotransmitters. ATP alone

[21:34] is not enough. There have been some

[21:36] research studies that have actually

[21:38] found that mitochondria move along the

[21:42] membrane of the synapse to release

[21:46] batches of vesicles of

[21:48] neurotransmitters.

[21:50] And that if the mitochondria are removed

[21:52] from the synapse, and researchers flood

[21:55] that

[21:56] cell with ATP,

[21:59] neurotransmitters usually are not

[22:01] getting released. Mitochondria are doing

[22:04] other things. We don't entirely even

[22:07] understand what all they're doing or how

[22:09] they're doing it. But they're doing

[22:11] other things than just providing the

[22:13] power. Mitochondria at least play a role

[22:17] in all of the aspects of the human

[22:20] stress response.

[22:22] So, um when humans are stressed either

[22:24] physically or psychologically,

[22:26] there are several things that happen.

[22:28] Increased cortisol, increased

[22:30] adrenaline, noradrenaline,

[22:33] uh inflammation, and gene expression in

[22:36] particular in the hippocampus occur with

[22:38] the stress response. And one group of

[22:41] researchers actually genetically

[22:43] modified mitochondria in four different

[22:45] ways and found that all those four

[22:47] buckets of stress response were impacted

[22:50] in one way or another.

[22:52] Implying that mitochondria are somehow

[22:54] playing a role

[22:56] in those.

[22:58] In terms of it their role in cortisol,

[23:00] we know that mitochondria actually have

[23:03] the enzyme required for the synthesis of

[23:06] steroid hormones. So, that includes

[23:09] cortisol, estrogen, testosterone, and

[23:12] progesterone, some names that maybe

[23:14] everybody's heard of. So, that means

[23:16] that if mitochondria

[23:18] are in short supply or dysfunctional,

[23:22] the production of those hormones may

[23:24] become

[23:26] dysregulated.

[23:27] Mitochondria play a direct role in

[23:30] inflammation, and they turn

[23:33] the inflammatory

[23:35] system both on or they they at least

[23:38] play a role in turning the inflammatory

[23:40] system both on and off. One paper in

[23:43] Cell actually

[23:45] identified mitochondria as the key

[23:46] regulator in turning certain

[23:48] inflammatory cells off. And that when

[23:51] you inhibit mitochondrial function,

[23:53] those cells don't turn off that

[23:55] mitochondrial levels of reactive oxygen

[23:57] species are a key signaling process to

[24:02] turn the inflammatory cell process off.

[24:06] Another study found that macrophages, so

[24:09] macrophages are an important immune cell

[24:12] that play a role in healing. So, if you

[24:13] cut yourself,

[24:15] your your body will get you know, send

[24:17] inflammation that way and

[24:20] and send immune cells that way to try to

[24:22] heal your skin. And macrophages play an

[24:25] important role in that healing. One

[24:28] group of researchers tried to figure out

[24:30] how do macrophages know

[24:33] to switch between the different phases

[24:35] of wound healing? Cuz the macrophages do

[24:37] different things in the different phases

[24:40] of wound healing. And the conclusion of

[24:43] all of their research was that it's

[24:45] mitochondria. Mitochondria are sending

[24:47] the essential signals that change the

[24:51] state of the macrophages to induce these

[24:54] different phases of wound healing. So,

[24:57] I've just talked about

[24:58] neurotransmitters, hormones, epigenetic

[25:01] expression, inflammation.

[25:04] For anybody familiar with the mental

[25:05] health field,

[25:08] they know these are like

[25:11] some of the key variables that

[25:13] researchers have been struggling with

[25:15] for decades trying to figure out how do

[25:18] these fit together. We know that all of

[25:20] the those buckets

[25:23] can be disrupted

[25:25] in people with mental disorders, and our

[25:27] field has struggled to understand but

[25:30] how do they fit together? How can we

[25:32] make sense of this disruption? I believe

[25:36] once you understand the science of

[25:39] mitochondria,

[25:41] you can actually connect all of the dots

[25:43] of the mental illness puzzle. What I'm

[25:45] hearing

[25:47] is that mitochondria, in addition to

[25:49] being important sources of energy

[25:51] production and output in cells, which of

[25:54] course they are,

[25:55] um probably have

[25:58] other roles, and that maybe maybe

[26:01] someday what we call mitochondria will

[26:03] actually be two or three different

[26:04] little subcellular organelle. In the

[26:06] landscape of science education, uh often

[26:09] times people will think, "Okay, energy

[26:10] production." There'll be a picture or a

[26:12] cartoon of mitochondria like flexing its

[26:13] muscles. People go, "Okay, energy,

[26:15] mitochondria, mighty mitochondria." And

[26:17] then they'll think, "Oh, you know,

[26:18] they're just sort of like a dumb jock

[26:19] portion of the cell." Right? They're not

[26:21] doing anything sophisticated. And

[26:23] everything you listed off is that they

[26:25] are doing many sophisticated, intricate

[26:28] things within cells. So, now that um

[26:31] everyone is well aware that mitochondria

[26:33] are doing a large number of very

[26:35] important things

[26:37] in a very regulated way,

[26:39] let's talk about mitophagy, which I have

[26:40] to presume is the

[26:42] um

[26:43] intentional

[26:44] or not gobbling up of mitochondria,

[26:47] presumably to replace them with newer,

[26:49] healthier mitochondria. Is that right?

[26:51] >> It is. So, in in in many ways mitophagy

[26:54] is a subset of autophagy, but it's got

[26:57] its own name because it is specific to

[26:59] mitochondria.

[27:00] There do appear to be

[27:03] some unique regulators of mitophagy

[27:06] compared to autophagy more broadly.

[27:09] Mitochondria actually are playing a a

[27:12] role in autophagy itself.

[27:14] Um and this makes sense because one of

[27:17] the So, the global picture of autophagy

[27:20] is stimulated by fasting states or

[27:24] fasting mimicking states. So, when your

[27:26] body senses that you don't have enough

[27:30] food,

[27:32] it actually hunkers down and starts to

[27:36] recycle

[27:38] dead old parts in this kind of carefully

[27:42] orchestrated way, and it takes them to

[27:45] lysosomes, they get degraded, and then

[27:47] those

[27:48] degradation products get used for either

[27:51] energy or to build new things.

[27:54] Autophagy's always occurring

[27:56] um at a low level, but you can really

[27:59] hyper-stimulate the process through

[28:01] fasting, calorie restriction, fasting

[28:04] mimicking diets, other things.

[28:06] And this is why fasting and fast you

[28:08] know, calorie restriction is so

[28:10] kind of such hot topics in the medical

[28:12] field now is because we it they've been

[28:15] shown to induce longevity, and we think

[28:17] it's probably through that process.

[28:20] That you're you're stimulating the body

[28:21] to become lean and

[28:25] conservative in terms of its allocation

[28:28] of resources.

[28:30] And the body doesn't just destroy the

[28:32] healthiest tissue along with the old

[28:34] dead stuff. It has these processes that

[28:37] identify the old and defective parts

[28:39] first, and they go first. And that's

[28:41] what's beautiful about the whole thing,

[28:43] and that's why fasting is so important.

[28:46] So, mitophagy

[28:48] we know plays a really important role

[28:51] because there's this term called

[28:53] mitochondrial dysfunction, which some

[28:55] researchers are actually wanting to get

[28:56] rid of and move away from because, as

[28:59] you just said, mitochondria do so many

[29:00] different things, and different

[29:02] mitochondria, even within the same cell,

[29:04] may very well be specializing in

[29:06] different tasks, and mitochondria from

[29:08] one cell to another are sometimes doing

[29:10] very different things. Like not all

[29:12] mitochondria can produce cortisol.

[29:14] That's specific to specific cells where

[29:16] those genes are getting turned on. So,

[29:19] it's not like all mitochondria are

[29:20] producing cortisol, just the ones in

[29:23] your adrenal gland, for instance, are

[29:24] producing cortisol. And it has long been

[29:28] known for decades

[29:30] that mitochondrial dysfunction is

[29:33] associated with everything that ails us,

[29:36] essentially. So, David Sinclair uh

[29:40] published a page paper in one of the

[29:42] cell journals, I think, saying that,

[29:44] "Oh, mitochondria are actually the

[29:46] unifying link of everything that we know

[29:48] about aging. Defective mitochondria or

[29:51] defective mitochondrial function,

[29:53] mitochondrial dysfunction, is possibly

[29:57] the unifying cause of aging and all of

[30:00] the aging-related disorders." So,

[30:02] mitophagy

[30:05] is trying to address all that. It's

[30:06] trying to say, "Okay, this is bad. We

[30:08] don't want defective mitochondria, and

[30:10] how can we get rid of old ones or

[30:13] defective ones and and replace them with

[30:15] new ones?" And I think the most powerful

[30:19] signal

[30:20] and tool that we have right now

[30:23] is, in fact, related to diet. It's

[30:26] calorie restriction. That is the oldest,

[30:29] truest, best-proven way to prevent aging

[30:34] in a wide variety of animal species.

[30:37] Fasting and intermittent fasting.

[30:40] And again, you can only do those things

[30:42] for so long, and then fasting mimicking

[30:44] diets um can also stimulate this process

[30:48] of

[30:50] mitophagy.

[30:51] >> So, what about the the typical person

[30:53] who's an omnivore eating

[30:56] um you know, some rice, some pasta. Do

[30:58] you think that those people might feel

[31:01] far better

[31:03] or even a little bit better if they were

[31:05] in a

[31:06] lower glucose state? I ask this because

[31:09] I think there are a lot of people out

[31:10] there who suffer from full-blown

[31:11] depression, but there are also a lot of

[31:13] people who suffer from like moodiness

[31:15] and feeling not so great, subclinical

[31:18] depression.

[31:18] >> Yes, burnout is what I would call it.

[31:20] >> Yeah, and and just feeling like some

[31:22] days are great, and then other days they

[31:24] feel lousy for reasons they don't

[31:25] understand.

[31:26] >> I kind of break this field, and I'm

[31:29] probably getting too nerdy right now,

[31:30] but I kind of break this field into

[31:32] cause, what's the actual root cause, and

[31:36] what are effective treatments. And I

[31:39] really see them as two separate things.

[31:41] >> Calorie restriction, ketogenic diet,

[31:44] carbohydrate restriction

[31:47] are inducing metabolic changes in the

[31:50] brain and body.

[31:53] And [snorts]

[31:54] regardless of what the person was eating

[31:57] they are inducing metabolic changes that

[32:00] can be really beneficial to brain

[32:01] health. So, going to your broader

[32:04] question about adults modern day, if

[32:07] it's an average person who is not

[32:09] currently under psychiatric care

[32:12] not taking prescription medicines but is

[32:15] saying, "I'm burned out. I'm exhausted.

[32:18] I want some of that brain energy that

[32:20] Andrew Huberman's talking about." I

[32:22] He He talks about feeling good. I want

[32:23] some of that. I'm probably actually

[32:25] going to recommend, "Let's see if we can

[32:27] just carb restrict for a while."

[32:30] Um and see if that produces clinical

[32:32] benefit. I have one he's not even a

[32:34] patient, just a somebody who read my

[32:37] book. He chronic anxiety, was trying

[32:40] meditation, was trying all sorts of

[32:41] things. He was ready to go on

[32:42] prescription medicine. He read an early

[32:44] copy of the book.

[32:45] He took it upon himself without

[32:47] consulting with me to restrict

[32:48] carbohydrates alone. He did not go

[32:50] ketogenic. He is a vegetarian. He

[32:54] restricted carbs. Within 3 weeks said,

[32:57] "I don't need prescription medicine. I

[32:59] can't believe how much better I feel."

[33:02] And all I did was cut out some of the

[33:04] high-carb foods in my diet. So, I think

[33:06] for some people it can be that simple.

[33:09] For people with serious mental

[33:11] disorders, if they are chronically

[33:13] depressed, if they're on lots of

[33:15] prescription meds, if they're disabled

[33:17] by their symptoms, and certainly if

[33:19] you're bipolar or have schizophrenia or

[33:22] something, those are the people I really

[33:24] do want them to work with a medical

[33:25] professional because meds may need to be

[33:28] adjusted, they really need a

[33:31] They need a real shot at this diet. It's

[33:34] not like weight loss. Weight loss,

[33:36] everybody wings it.

[33:38] And either you're successful or you

[33:39] aren't. You You look on the internet or

[33:41] you read a book and seeing whether it

[33:43] works or not. But, if you're using it to

[33:45] treat a serious disorder, I think you

[33:48] need serious help.

[33:50] On behalf of myself and the listeners

[33:51] and

[33:52] certainly just on behalf of everybody

[33:54] out there because everyone

[33:56] does need to be concerned about mental

[33:58] health issues whether or not they have

[34:00] them in in their family, themselves, or

[34:02] otherwise because they impact everybody.

[34:04] So, I really want to thank you for doing

[34:05] the work that you're doing. You've given

[34:06] us a lot of hints into the underlying

[34:08] mechanisms that suggest as to why it

[34:10] would work, and you've been us giving us

[34:12] examples as to how it has worked in

[34:14] patients that you've worked with. So,

[34:16] thank you for being brave and for taking

[34:19] this on and doing it in such a

[34:21] structured way, and for communicating it

[34:23] here today and with the general public

[34:25] through your book and your online

[34:26] presence. We will certainly point people

[34:28] in the direction of those valuable

[34:29] resources.

[34:31] Thanks so much. We really appreciate it.

[34:33] >> Thank you, Andrew, for being brave and

[34:35] having me on your

[34:36] >> [laughter]

[34:36] >> show and uh

[34:37] >> It's been a pleasure.

[34:38] >> and for

[34:39] uh for a great conversation.

[34:42] >> [music]

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Andrew Huberman is a neuroscientist and educator at Stanford University known for translating research on neural plasticity, vision, and stress neuroscience into practical framewor…

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Palmer describes a patient with schizoaffective disorder whose auditory hallucinations and paranoid delusions disappeared on a ketogenic diet, eventually allowing him to discontinue antipsychotic medication. However, this represents one case; outcomes vary by individual. Such changes should only be pursued under medical supervision.
Ketones fuel mitochondria more efficiently than glucose, restoring cellular energy production and the synthesis of mood-regulating neurotransmitters like serotonin and dopamine. This metabolic shift also reduces inflammation and triggers mitophagy, the removal of damaged mitochondria—a process linked to mood stabilization.
Palmer notes that results vary, but patients often report improvements in mood, energy, and concentration within weeks to months once ketosis is achieved. The transition to ketosis itself can take a few days and may include temporary cognitive fog.
Significant dietary changes can affect medication levels and efficacy, so any shift should be discussed with a healthcare provider. Psychiatric medications may need adjustment as metabolic state changes, and professional monitoring is essential.
Highly processed foods damage mitochondrial function over time, depriving cells of efficient energy production and the molecular signals needed for mood regulation. Refined carbohydrates and added sugars are particularly harmful to mitochondrial health.

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