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[0:00] Today on the Mel Robbins podcast,
[0:03] [music] a doctor's guide to better gut
[0:05] health and five simple [music] steps to
[0:08] healing your gut with food and natural
[0:11] protocols. [music] Dr. Rajri Nambudrapod
[0:14] is here to help you feel better. Now,
[0:20] Dr. Rajri, I am so excited that you're
[0:23] here. Thank you, Mel. It's wonderful to
[0:25] be here.
[0:25] >> Well, welcome to the Mel Robbins
[0:27] podcast. I would love to have you start,
[0:29] Dr. Rashri by speaking to the person
[0:31] who's with us. What could change about
[0:34] their life, their health, how they feel,
[0:37] if they really take to heart everything
[0:40] that you're about to teach us? Well,
[0:42] today I'm going to help you better
[0:43] understand what is actually happening in
[0:46] your gut. So, if you're someone out
[0:47] there who's struggling with bloating
[0:49] every day or chronic constipation or
[0:52] inconsistent bowels or maybe you have
[0:55] reflux or food sensitivities and you
[0:57] don't even know what to eat anymore, I
[1:00] want you to know that there's hope and
[1:01] there's so much we can do to heal your
[1:03] gut. And today, I'm going to share a lot
[1:05] of practical tips that you can actually
[1:06] begin using right away to start feeling
[1:09] better. And by healing your gut and
[1:11] improving your digestion, you're going
[1:13] to notice so many other aspects of your
[1:15] health improve. from your energy to your
[1:18] mental focus, your mood, your skin, your
[1:22] immune system, your metabolism, and so
[1:24] much more. One of the reasons why I want
[1:26] to talk to you is because you have such
[1:29] an extraordinary background and you're
[1:31] in a clinical practice, but your
[1:33] approach is grounded in science and
[1:35] deeply personal. Could you just explain
[1:38] a little bit more in depth about your
[1:42] training and your background and how you
[1:46] approach your gut health medical
[1:48] practice? So I did my internal medicine
[1:51] training at Northwestern in Chicago and
[1:54] then I did um gastronurology training at
[1:56] UC Irvine. And so during that GI
[1:59] training I did endoscopies and
[2:01] colonoscopies. I did all the traditional
[2:04] uh treatments like reflux was treated
[2:06] with proton pump inhibitors to just shut
[2:08] off the acid. If someone had
[2:10] constipation, they were given
[2:11] prescription laxatives. So intuitively,
[2:14] I just knew that there was so much more
[2:16] we could do for the gut. I really wanted
[2:18] to help patients heal, not just suppress
[2:20] the symptoms. So and then I had my own
[2:23] personal journey with SIBO, and I think
[2:26] that really transformed the way I saw so
[2:28] many things in the gut. And then a lot
[2:30] of things I've actually learned from my
[2:32] patients.
[2:33] >> Why are you smiling so much? Like what
[2:34] is what what have you discovered in 15
[2:37] years of practice of not just treating
[2:39] symptoms
[2:40] >> but restoring the overall gut health
[2:44] >> and how a simple protocol that we're
[2:46] going to learn today really is the place
[2:48] to start for absolutely every single
[2:51] thing that you may be experiencing right
[2:53] now related to gut issues.
[2:56] So many people I think maybe are stuck
[2:58] and they're just living with these
[3:00] symptoms every single day and they may
[3:03] have nowhere to turn to and they may
[3:04] feel like is this how my life is going
[3:06] to be for the rest of my life? You know
[3:08] I know because I was there and how scary
[3:10] that was. So when I finally figured it
[3:12] out for myself I thought I have to share
[3:15] this with others like there's so many
[3:17] people suffering. I have to make this
[3:20] standardized and I need to create a
[3:22] protocol, a roadmap for people because
[3:24] if it was that difficult for me to
[3:26] figure out, imagine other people that
[3:28] don't have GI training. The feedback I
[3:30] get is incredible. I get emails for from
[3:33] people every day that tell me that they
[3:36] were suffering for 20 plus years with
[3:39] IBS and diarrhea. And I've, you know,
[3:41] once they fixed their gut, they took a
[3:43] risk and following my protocol and now
[3:46] they've gotten their life back. It's
[3:48] that powerful.
[3:49] >> So why is gut health so important Dr.
[3:53] Rashri for your overall health.
[3:56] >> The gut is really the foundation of your
[3:58] health. So if you truly want to be
[4:00] healthy, you absolutely have to pay
[4:02] attention to your gut. So your gut is
[4:05] sending signals to every organ in your
[4:07] body. So for example, let's start with
[4:10] your brain. Your gut is constantly
[4:12] talking to the brain through the
[4:13] gutbrain axis. So often when I'll see
[4:16] patients who have gut issues, they're
[4:18] also suffering from anxiety and brain
[4:20] fog and often sometimes even insomnia
[4:23] and then our gut strongly influences our
[4:25] immune system. So 70% of our immune
[4:28] cells are in the lining of our gut. So
[4:30] if your gut is inflamed, you might
[4:32] notice that inflammation pop up
[4:34] elsewhere in your body and then our gut
[4:36] strongly influences our skin through the
[4:38] gut skin axis.
[4:39] >> Wait, the gut skin axis? What is that?
[4:42] So, our skin microbiome strongly
[4:45] reflects our gut microbiome. Really?
[4:48] Yeah. So, what's fascinating is when I
[4:50] help patients heal their gut, they'll
[4:52] often come back and tell me, "Oh, by the
[4:54] way, my acne cleared up, my eczema
[4:56] cleared up, and I treat some very
[4:59] complex cases of psoriasis, which is an
[5:01] autoimmune skin condition. Simply by
[5:04] healing the gut, we see the skin improve
[5:06] dramatically."
[5:07] >> You're kidding.
[5:08] >> Yeah. You talk about this concept of the
[5:10] gut garden. What is that?
[5:14] >> So basically what I want to make clear
[5:16] and share with the audience today is
[5:18] that our gut is not a simple tube where
[5:21] food goes in one end and waste comes out
[5:23] the other end.
[5:24] >> Okay.
[5:25] >> A lot of time we're given that
[5:26] impression.
[5:26] >> Yes.
[5:27] >> You know because you might have had an
[5:29] endoscopy or a colonoscopy and during
[5:31] those procedures the gut kind of looks
[5:33] like a tube from the inside, you know,
[5:35] with twists and turns. But so many of my
[5:38] patients have had those procedures and
[5:40] they're just told that everything looks
[5:42] normal, but they don't feel normal and
[5:44] they have a lot of symptoms that are
[5:46] affecting their quality of life. So,
[5:49] what I want to share today is that the
[5:50] gut is actually a complex and delicate
[5:54] ecosystem. And the best way that I like
[5:56] to explain it is that it's a garden. So,
[5:59] [snorts] let me show you more about
[6:00] that.
[6:00] >> Oh, I'd love to see that.
[6:01] >> Hey, great. I'm going to come in and
[6:02] help.
[6:03] >> Our executive producer, Tracy.
[6:05] >> Okay.
[6:05] >> He's coming. You're wearing green today,
[6:07] Tracy. So, she's ready for the garden.
[6:10] >> Let's get you.
[6:10] >> Okay. And if if you're listening right
[6:13] now, what we have is just a visual prop.
[6:15] We're going to talk all about this. And
[6:18] it is just kind of a garden that we've
[6:21] put together. You see soil, you see a
[6:23] watering can, you see bees, and you've
[6:25] got all these beautiful flowers and
[6:26] greens that are growing in the garden.
[6:29] >> And one of the things I just want to
[6:30] say, Dr. Rashri is I am one of those
[6:34] people that have always envisioned a
[6:37] long tube
[6:38] >> when somebody says the gut. So I think
[6:40] about okay my gut is basically from my
[6:43] mouth down a long tube out the other end
[6:46] that's the gut. I've never ever in my
[6:49] life envisioned a garden in there.
[6:52] >> Absolutely.
[6:52] >> Why do you want us to envision a gut
[6:54] garden? So what I've observed, you know,
[6:57] from 15 years of clinical practice and
[6:59] treating very complex gut disorders,
[7:02] >> is that sometimes you can't explain
[7:05] these conditions if you just look at the
[7:07] structural aspects of our gut.
[7:09] >> Okay?
[7:09] >> So what I've discovered is that there's
[7:12] actually four main systems of our gut
[7:14] garden. And to really have ideal
[7:17] digestion and to feel your best, you
[7:19] have to correct all four aspects of this
[7:22] garden.
[7:22] >> Okay? And when we do that, remarkable
[7:24] things happen. Patients who have had
[7:27] symptoms for years, sometimes even
[7:30] decades, they get better.
[7:31] >> Wow.
[7:32] >> Yes. So, let me tell you what these four
[7:35] systems are.
[7:35] >> Great. The first system is the motility
[7:38] in the gut.
[7:38] >> The who? The motility.
[7:40] >> Motility.
[7:41] >> Okay.
[7:41] >> That's like the irrigation system of
[7:43] your garden.
[7:43] >> Okay.
[7:44] >> So, think of it as like you have
[7:46] sprinklers or maybe you have a watering
[7:48] can like we have here. Y
[7:49] >> and so water comes into your garden.
[7:51] Yep. And that water needs to spread
[7:54] evenly through your garden and there's
[7:56] going to be a drainage system that's
[7:57] taking that water out. What would happen
[8:00] if that water stagnated in your garden?
[8:03] >> Everything would die.
[8:04] >> Yeah. Some parts would dry out.
[8:06] >> It get like really like the soil gets
[8:09] all thick.
[8:10] >> Exactly.
[8:10] >> And it's hard to dig in and it gets
[8:12] crusty and
[8:13] >> gh Yes. Exactly. You would get puddles
[8:15] of water in some parts.
[8:17] >> And what happens when there's puddles?
[8:19] Now you've got moss growing. You've got
[8:21] mushrooms popping up. Yep.
[8:23] >> So, we have to have good motility in
[8:25] your gut. Everything's got to be moving
[8:27] through your gut nicely. If anything
[8:29] gets slowed down or backed up, that's a
[8:31] problem.
[8:32] >> What's the second of the four things in
[8:34] the gut garden?
[8:35] >> So, the second is the pollinators of
[8:37] your garden. So, like the bees and the
[8:39] butterflies.
[8:40] >> So, we have one little bee here. So,
[8:42] similarly in our gut, we have to have
[8:44] digestive enzymes. We have to have
[8:47] stomach acid and we have to have bile to
[8:50] break down our food. Okay. So many
[8:53] patients I see, they're lacking in one
[8:55] of those areas. They don't have enough
[8:57] stomach acid or they don't have enough
[9:00] pancreatic enzymes or they're they have
[9:02] their gallbladder removed. So they don't
[9:04] have bile that's stored up and so when
[9:06] they eat food they just can't break it
[9:08] down. So that would be the second system
[9:10] of the garden.
[9:11] >> Okay. Pollinators. Yes.
[9:12] >> What's the third?
[9:14] >> Okay. The third system is the garden
[9:16] bed. So that's like the soil in your
[9:18] garden.
[9:19] >> And that's similar to the integrity of
[9:22] the gut lining.
[9:23] >> Okay?
[9:24] >> So it's so critical because if you have
[9:26] inflammation in your gut lining, that's
[9:29] very close to your immune system. So 70%
[9:32] of your immune cells are sitting there
[9:34] right under the gut lining. So that's
[9:36] like having big cracks in your soil. It
[9:40] it's kind of like having leaky gut,
[9:41] which we'll talk about today. Yeah.
[9:43] >> So that's the critical third system of
[9:45] the gut.
[9:46] >> Gotcha. And what's the final one?
[9:47] >> The final one is your microbiome. So the
[9:50] plants and weeds in your garden.
[9:52] >> So as you can see here, we have these
[9:54] beautiful flowers. These flowers are
[9:56] like the good bacteria in your gut. And
[9:59] then these weeds that have popped up
[10:01] here, these are like the bad bacteria,
[10:03] maybe even fungal organisms and yeast.
[10:06] So in order to have a healthy gut, you
[10:09] need to have a balance. you need to have
[10:10] a robust and diverse uh types of plants
[10:14] so that these weeds don't pop up. But if
[10:16] something causes the good flowers to be
[10:19] wiped away, now all of a sudden weeds
[10:22] can pop up. And the similar thing
[10:25] happens in the gut. And when we see
[10:26] weeds growing in your gut garden, we
[10:29] call that dispiosis.
[10:31] >> Despiosis.
[10:32] >> Okay.
[10:32] >> Despiosis means bacterial imbalance.
[10:35] >> Oh, okay. So, if you're having gut
[10:39] issues,
[10:40] >> do you have to know which one of these
[10:43] four things is out of whack?
[10:45] >> Well, the beautiful thing is if you're
[10:48] not sure what to do,
[10:49] >> yes,
[10:50] >> you can just start with step one and
[10:52] step two, which I'm happy to explain
[10:54] today.
[10:54] >> Okay.
[10:55] >> And for more than 50% of people, that's
[10:58] going to help them tremendously. And
[11:00] that's the motility and the pollinators.
[11:02] Those first two.
[11:04] So what I do with my patients when I see
[11:06] them most of the time I have them work
[11:10] on that irrigation system the motility
[11:12] okay
[11:13] >> and the pollinators breaking down their
[11:15] food starting at that initial consult
[11:17] even while we're waiting for testing to
[11:19] come back.
[11:19] >> So if you have any gut issue and I were
[11:21] to come to your office Dr. Rajri
[11:24] >> you would tell me start doing these two
[11:26] things immediately because these two
[11:28] things no matter what you're dealing
[11:29] with are going to help your overall gut
[11:31] health.
[11:32] >> Absolutely. What are they?
[11:34] >> Okay, so to promote motility,
[11:36] >> Uhhuh.
[11:36] >> usually we want to make sure your bowels
[11:38] are 100% and complete every day.
[11:41] >> What does that mean?
[11:42] >> So, so many of us, we have some some
[11:45] form of constipation. So, we got to get
[11:47] the bowels empty perfectly. So, I'll put
[11:49] patients on magnesium at bedtime.
[11:52] >> Which kind? Because there's so many
[11:53] different kinds of magnesium.
[11:55] >> Absolutely. Magnesium citrate,
[11:57] glycinate, and malate.
[11:59] >> Okay. The citrate part is really the one
[12:02] that works as a natural osmotic
[12:04] laxative. What that means is it pulls
[12:06] water into your colon. So you take it at
[12:09] bedtime and you can adjust the dose
[12:12] based on your bowels. But that way when
[12:14] you wake up your bowels are like
[12:16] clockwork.
[12:17] >> Really? Yeah. Does that really work for
[12:19] a lot of people?
[12:20] >> Absolutely.
[12:21] >> So how much do you take?
[12:22] >> So usually we start at around 250 millig
[12:25] >> up to 500 millig.
[12:27] >> Okay. And that's just like basic
[12:29] protocol in order to have good motility.
[12:32] >> Absolutely.
[12:32] >> Just take your magnesium. And it was the
[12:34] C, it was the G, and it was the M.
[12:37] >> Citrate, glycinate, and malate. That's
[12:39] the one we use. So that's the first
[12:40] thing. But we also use something called
[12:43] a proinetic.
[12:44] >> A who? A proinetic.
[12:46] >> Yes.
[12:46] >> Okay.
[12:47] >> A proinetic is not a laxative, but it's
[12:50] something that activates those cleaning
[12:52] waves in the gut.
[12:52] >> Really? What what what is a pro What?
[12:54] Give me an example what a prokinetic
[12:56] would So a natural prokinetic is ginger.
[12:59] >> Ginger. So we use a supplement but it's
[13:02] essentially a patented formula of ginger
[13:04] and artichoke and you take that along
[13:07] with the magnesium at bedtime and what
[13:10] it's going to do is it's going to clean
[13:11] up your small intestine while you're
[13:13] sleeping and you take that consistently
[13:16] and that's going to help that first
[13:18] system of the gut garden that motility
[13:20] that irrigation system and that's huge.
[13:22] >> Okay. So that's number one. The second
[13:24] step that you give to people that come
[13:26] to see you, no matter what their
[13:28] complaints may be, is what?
[13:30] >> The second thing is I enhance their
[13:31] pollinators.
[13:32] >> Okay.
[13:32] >> So, I give them digestive enzyme
[13:34] support.
[13:35] >> And how what does that mean?
[13:36] >> So, I have them take high potency
[13:38] digestive enzymes either before or after
[13:42] their meals and they can try it both
[13:43] ways and see what works for them.
[13:46] >> But what that does is it helps break
[13:48] down the food better.
[13:49] >> Huh. So, it breaks down proteins, fats,
[13:52] and carbohydrates. So, guess what? You
[13:54] don't get bloated. You might be able to
[13:56] eat foods that normally would upset you.
[13:59] Like, I have some patients who can't eat
[14:01] Brussels sprouts, but if they take their
[14:03] digestive enzymes, they can because it
[14:05] breaks down the food better. Is there an
[14:07] example of like a food that acts as a
[14:09] digestive enzyme?
[14:10] >> Absolutely. So, if you don't have access
[14:13] to these supplements, you can at least
[14:15] have water with lemon juice. Oh,
[14:17] >> okay. or a little bit of apple cider
[14:18] vinegar. The acidity will help you break
[14:21] down the food better.
[14:22] >> So, just those two recommendations, you
[14:25] take your magnesium, right? And like,
[14:28] let's just say you're just going to
[14:29] simplify. You take magnesium before bed
[14:31] and then you try some digestive enzymes
[14:33] with your meals.
[14:35] >> That's going to help a lot of your
[14:38] patients just out of the gate start to
[14:40] feel a little bit better.
[14:41] >> Uh, yeah. Basically, when I see patients
[14:43] at their second appointment,
[14:45] >> they've already started this. They've
[14:46] been doing it for maybe a month. We now
[14:48] have all their test results back, but
[14:50] they tell me they're over 50% better. No
[14:52] way.
[14:53] >> Yes. I love this. Okay, great. Let's
[14:55] talk about some of the things that
[14:57] happen when the gut garden gets out of
[15:00] balance. So, we know what we're looking
[15:02] for and where we're headed, but let's
[15:04] talk about the stuff that can make the
[15:06] weeds come and kill the flowers and make
[15:08] the dirt turn into cement. Okay.
[15:10] >> Okay.
[15:11] >> All right. Let's remove the gut garden.
[15:12] >> Okay.
[15:14] >> Dr.
[15:15] What causes bloating? What is it?
[15:19] >> So bloating is that uncomfortable
[15:21] feeling that you get when there's
[15:22] pressure building up in your abdomen and
[15:25] you notice your abdomen get distended.
[15:27] So the classic scenario is when you feel
[15:29] and look like you're 6 months pregnant
[15:31] by the end of the day.
[15:33] >> Mhm.
[15:34] >> So there's many reasons for bloating.
[15:37] The first thing I always ask my patients
[15:39] is how are your bowel movements?
[15:42] And if they tell me, "Well, I go to the
[15:45] bathroom every 3 to four days." Well,
[15:47] then that's the problem because if
[15:48] you're constipated that severely, that
[15:51] backup of stool in your colon is going
[15:53] to make you feel bloated. So, we have to
[15:54] fix that first. How often should you go?
[15:57] Number two,
[15:59] >> every day. Every day. Every day. So, is
[16:01] the protocol that you prescribe to your
[16:04] patients for constipation the same
[16:06] whether you're going once a day or going
[16:09] once every 3 days or going once a week?
[16:13] >> So, we start with the basics.
[16:15] >> Okay,
[16:15] >> magnesium is my favorite because of the
[16:18] other benefits on the body. It's safe to
[16:20] take long term. The second again is that
[16:22] proinetic, that motility activator,
[16:24] that's a ginger pill. Okay,
[16:26] >> that's also safe to take long term. If
[16:28] that's not working, we escalate. We use
[16:31] natural stimulant laxatives like aloe,
[16:33] the plant aloe vera.
[16:34] >> Yeah.
[16:35] >> They they come in dried capsules. So
[16:37] it's the leaves of the aloe vera plant.
[16:39] And that's a little bit stronger. That
[16:42] will stimulate the bowels to move.
[16:44] That's not something I encourage people
[16:45] to use daily. They can for a while, but
[16:48] eventually our goal is to transition
[16:50] back to just magnesium and motility
[16:52] activator. Honestly, it those are kind
[16:54] of like game-changing treatments. Again,
[16:56] I'm surprised because they're so simple.
[16:58] They're so accessible to anyone, but I
[17:00] don't think they get uh enough awareness
[17:03] in mainstream medicine.
[17:04] >> So, Dr. Rashri, you said that when
[17:06] somebody comes in and they're
[17:07] complaining about bloating, the first
[17:08] thing you do is you ask, "How often are
[17:10] you going to the bathroom?"
[17:11] >> Yes.
[17:11] >> Because you want to rule out con
[17:13] constipation.
[17:14] >> Absolutely.
[17:14] >> If somebody is bloated and they are
[17:17] going to the bathroom regularly, what
[17:19] are the other causes of bloating?
[17:21] >> So, usually when we're talking about
[17:23] bloating, we're talking about trapped
[17:25] gas in the intestines. Okay. But I do
[17:28] want to make one thing clear. Gas itself
[17:31] is not the problem. Cuz if you're eating
[17:34] certain foods, like you're eating beans
[17:35] or a salad or broccoli, you're going to
[17:37] have gas. That's normal. But if you pass
[17:40] the gas and it doesn't bother you,
[17:42] that's totally fine. Not a problem. It
[17:45] becomes a problem when that gas is
[17:47] trapped inside of you and it's causing
[17:49] you pain. And trapped gas can present
[17:52] differently in different people. Some
[17:54] people get sharp stabbing pain. Some
[17:56] people get this intense pressure. Other
[17:59] people get cramping.
[18:00] >> So, it really varies and it can really
[18:03] the pain can be anywhere in your
[18:05] abdomen. It could be at the top, it
[18:06] could be at the bottom, the sides, but
[18:09] usually comes down to a problem with one
[18:12] of three things in your gut.
[18:13] >> Okay,
[18:14] >> the first thing is the motility like we
[18:17] talked about. Maybe things are not
[18:19] moving properly through your intestines,
[18:20] so it's getting backed up. The second is
[18:23] maybe you're not breaking things down
[18:24] properly. So again, a problem with your
[18:26] pollinators. You're not digesting
[18:28] properly. And the third is maybe you
[18:32] have bacteria in the wrong place.
[18:36] >> Okay, so how do you stop bloating fast?
[18:40] >> First thing, take digestive enzymes
[18:43] right away.
[18:44] >> Okay,
[18:44] >> basically what it does, it's going to
[18:46] break down your food. So if you're
[18:47] bloated and you're uncomfortable, go
[18:49] ahead and take one or two of those and
[18:51] see how you feel. What it's going to do
[18:53] is start breaking down the food and
[18:55] within 30 minutes to an hour you should
[18:57] feel that bloating go down.
[18:58] >> Wow. What's another thing you can do?
[19:01] >> The second thing is take that prokinetic
[19:04] that ginger artichoke pill. Take one or
[19:06] two of those and it's going to start
[19:08] getting those cleaning waves going so
[19:10] that it moves the gas bubbles downward
[19:12] so you can actually pass those bubbles
[19:13] so they're not stuck inside of you. So
[19:15] that's the second thing. And the third
[19:18] thing is kind of what we touched on,
[19:20] taking that magnesium every night so
[19:22] that you never run into a problem where
[19:23] things are backed up.
[19:25] >> What I love about this advice is you
[19:26] keep coming back to the same
[19:28] recommendations.
[19:29] >> Oh yeah, it's very simple.
[19:30] >> Thank you for simplifying it.
[19:31] >> You can also go for a little walk.
[19:34] >> Okay, how does a walk help?
[19:36] >> So walk naturally activates the motility
[19:38] in the gut. So the worst thing you can
[19:40] do if you're bloated is to just sit
[19:42] there at your desk.
[19:43] >> What if you lie down? That's what I
[19:44] always do. I always like lay down and
[19:45] unut pants. I'm like, I'm so bloated. Oh
[19:48] my god.
[19:49] >> Well, the problem is when you're just
[19:51] sitting still or laying down,
[19:53] >> everything's kind of stagnant in your
[19:54] gut.
[19:55] >> So, even if you can just get around,
[19:57] walk around the office, go up a flight
[19:59] of stairs, that gets that motility
[20:01] going.
[20:02] >> So, that's an easy thing that anyone can
[20:04] try.
[20:04] >> I love that.
[20:05] >> Yeah.
[20:06] >> Uh Dr. Rajri, what is IBS?
[20:09] So IBS, it's irritable bowel syndrome
[20:13] and it actually affects 10 to 15% of the
[20:16] population. It's that common.
[20:18] >> Wow. What What is it? What are the
[20:19] symptoms?
[20:20] >> So to have IBS, you just basically need
[20:23] three things. You need to have abdominal
[20:26] pain or discomfort.
[20:28] You need to have an alteration in your
[20:30] bowel habits. So either constipation or
[20:32] diarrhea or a combination of both. And
[20:35] you need to notice that when you have a
[20:37] bowel movement, your symptoms and your
[20:39] pain improves.
[20:40] >> Okay?
[20:41] >> So, so many people fit the criteria for
[20:44] IBS.
[20:45] >> How would you like us to think about
[20:48] IBS?
[20:49] >> IBS is just a label for your symptoms.
[20:52] >> Okay?
[20:52] >> But it's not what's really causing the
[20:54] symptoms. And so, if you've been told
[20:56] you have IBS, there's so much more
[20:59] investigation that can be done.
[21:01] >> Okay? What we now know is that 70% of
[21:04] IBS is actually caused by SIBO.
[21:07] >> Wow. But if it's IBS,
[21:10] >> what do you do about it?
[21:12] >> So if a person is coming to see me, I
[21:15] have the luxury of doing all that
[21:16] further investigation. So we always test
[21:19] for SIBO. We test for food allergies.
[21:22] And if we don't, and most of the time
[21:24] the SIBO test will be positive. If for
[21:26] some reason it's negative, then we move
[21:28] on to a gut microbiome test. So again,
[21:32] it's always about figuring out what that
[21:33] root cause is and fixing it. Now, if
[21:37] you're just someone with IBS and you
[21:38] don't know where to start, you can start
[21:41] with the first two systems of the gut
[21:43] garden, which is promoting motility,
[21:46] making sure your bowels are 100% and
[21:48] complete with the help of magnesium and
[21:51] motility activator at night, and
[21:53] improving your digestion of food. Try
[21:56] some digestive enzymes. It's a lowcost
[21:57] intervention. it might help you
[21:59] tremendously and see where that takes
[22:01] you. What is SIBO?
[22:03] >> Small intestine bacterial overgrowth. So
[22:06] SIBO is basically when bacteria back up.
[22:10] So now they're in the wrong place. So
[22:12] normally our small intestine does not
[22:14] have much bacteria. The job of the small
[22:17] intestine is to absorb nutrients from
[22:19] your food.
[22:21] The trillions of bacteria, they're
[22:22] located in the colon. That's where your
[22:25] primary microbiome is. But if something
[22:28] causes those bacteria to back up into
[22:30] your small intestine where they're not
[22:31] supposed to be, they start fermenting
[22:34] your food too early. So every time you
[22:36] eat, you get this miserable gas and
[22:38] bloating and it can alter your bowel
[22:41] habits. Hence, now it resembles IBS and
[22:44] maybe you've been labeled with IBS.
[22:47] It can also cause acid reflux and
[22:50] nausea. It gives you that feeling of
[22:53] what we call early satiety where you
[22:56] can't really eat that much because
[22:57] you've got all this pressure in your
[22:58] abdomen.
[22:59] >> Yeah.
[23:00] >> And it can even interfere with your
[23:02] nutrient absorption. So then you get
[23:04] deficiencies in B12 and vitamin D and
[23:07] iron. And SIBO can even have effects
[23:11] outside the GI tract. So people with
[23:14] SIBO get really anxious. They get brain
[23:16] fog, fatigue, joint pain, and so much
[23:20] more.
[23:21] Wow. Yeah. I I see that you have a model
[23:25] next to you of a human being and it's
[23:28] all the insides. It's like something you
[23:30] would see at a medical school, I think.
[23:32] So, what's happening
[23:35] >> for someone who has SIBO?
[23:38] >> In this D in this human model is these
[23:40] little stickers are the bacteria in your
[23:42] colon. Imagine what would happen if we
[23:44] take these bacteria and we move them to
[23:46] your small intestine where they're not
[23:48] supposed to be.
[23:50] Oh my goodness. This is going to cause
[23:52] so much havoc to your digestion.
[23:54] >> It looks like she's putting little uh
[23:56] like explosions all over your small
[23:58] intestines.
[23:59] >> Yes.
[24:00] >> I'm just looking at this model and it
[24:02] feels like I'm getting bloated.
[24:04] >> That's exactly what it does.
[24:06] >> Those bacteria, they start fermenting
[24:08] your food in the wrong place and they
[24:11] interfere with your digestion of food.
[24:13] And there's no there's not supposed to
[24:15] be bacteria in the small intestine
[24:20] because while the food is traveling
[24:22] through the small intestine, the
[24:24] intestines are trying to suck nutrients
[24:26] out.
[24:26] >> Exactly.
[24:27] >> And how does the bacteria block the
[24:30] ability of the small intestine to do
[24:31] that? Because being a non-medical person
[24:35] >> and not having studied this, I think in
[24:39] my brain, well, wouldn't the bacteria
[24:41] help in some way? like we're eating
[24:43] we're supposed to eat probiotics,
[24:44] prebiotics, all this stuff like enzymes
[24:46] like why wouldn't it help? Why is it
[24:49] creating gas?
[24:50] >> Okay, so I love that question. These
[24:52] bacteria and this is the part I think a
[24:54] lot of people don't understand.
[24:56] What they do is they start eating up
[24:59] some critical enzymes instead of being
[25:02] broken down and properly absorbed into
[25:04] your body. Y
[25:05] >> now it's just sitting there in your
[25:07] small intestine and the bacteria
[25:09] fermented into gas. And now all of a
[25:12] sudden foods that you used to be able to
[25:14] eat, you can't eat anymore. So you
[25:17] become more and more sensitive to foods.
[25:20] So you become more carbohydrate
[25:22] intolerant. You can't eat certain
[25:24] vegetables because of the fibrous
[25:26] material.
[25:27] And you might even become sensitive to
[25:29] dairy. So maybe before you could eat
[25:32] cheese, now you can't. And believe it or
[25:34] not, you can even become sensitive to
[25:36] fruit. Huh? Because fruit has a fruit
[25:39] sugar called fructose.
[25:41] And SIBO causes what we call a secondary
[25:44] fructose intolerance where now you don't
[25:47] have the enzymes to break down fruit. So
[25:49] fruit will make you bloated.
[25:50] >> Now when you say intolerance Dr. Rajri
[25:54] what do you mean medically?
[25:57] >> So when you eat those foods you get
[25:59] discomfort.
[26:01] >> You don't feel well. You get bloating
[26:02] and discomfort maybe even pain.
[26:04] >> How do you diagnose SIBO? So, it's a
[26:07] simple breath test and it's a test where
[26:10] you drink the solution of lactulose.
[26:13] >> What is latchulose?
[26:15] >> It's a type of sugar that your body
[26:17] cannot absorb. So, it stays in your
[26:19] intestines. And if you have SIBO, the
[26:22] bacteria, they're going to ferment it
[26:24] into gas.
[26:26] And then you me you actually blow and
[26:29] collect your breath at 20 to 30 minute
[26:32] intervals for a full three hours.
[26:34] >> Okay? and you mail back the tubes and
[26:37] they're going to graph out what's what's
[26:39] being produced in your breath.
[26:40] >> No way.
[26:41] >> Yes.
[26:41] >> That's insane. Can I ask a question?
[26:44] >> Sure.
[26:44] >> Okay. I have noticed
[26:46] >> that there is a particular type of bad
[26:50] breath.
[26:51] >> Okay.
[26:52] >> That people have that has a very metally
[26:57] tiny
[26:59] like old smell to it.
[27:01] >> I know exactly what you're talking
[27:02] about. You do?
[27:03] >> Absolutely. I see it all the time.
[27:05] >> You do?
[27:06] >> Yes. And bad breath, it's basically a
[27:10] change in the bacteria in your oral
[27:12] microbiome and it reflects strongly
[27:15] what's happening in your gut microbiome.
[27:18] >> No way.
[27:19] >> Or body odor.
[27:20] >> Body odor can be an indication of
[27:23] bacteria in your gut.
[27:24] >> Absolutely.
[27:25] >> Why? you know, whatever is happening in
[27:28] your gut translates to your skin, your
[27:31] your uh sweat glands, your hormones, and
[27:34] it all comes out. So, the interesting
[27:37] thing is after we clean up their gut,
[27:39] they tell me, "Oh, my breath is so much
[27:40] better. I don't smell as bad anymore."
[27:43] >> Dr. Rashri, tell me about what happened
[27:47] that makes this deeply personal for you.
[27:50] So about seven or eight years ago, I
[27:53] started to notice that at the end of the
[27:55] day, I had so much pain in my abdomen.
[27:58] It was miserable pain, super sharp. And
[28:01] it was so so much pressure in my
[28:03] abdomen. I even felt like it was hard to
[28:05] take deep breaths. And that pressure
[28:08] would make me feel anxious. It would
[28:10] make me feel agitated. It's hard to
[28:12] focus on other things. So I was really
[28:15] um trying to figure out what was causing
[28:17] it. So, I initially thought maybe it's a
[28:20] sensitivity to gluten and dairy. So, I
[28:22] cut those out
[28:23] >> because that's pretty common. A lot of
[28:25] people cut out gluten and dairy.
[28:26] >> Yep.
[28:27] >> But then all of a sudden, I couldn't eat
[28:30] quinoa anymore. I couldn't eat brown
[28:32] rice. Those would make me bloated, too.
[28:34] And then all of a sudden, I couldn't eat
[28:36] cheese anymore. I had eaten cheese my
[28:38] whole life. Now, I couldn't eat that. I
[28:40] couldn't have butter. So, my diet became
[28:43] very restricted in order to control the
[28:45] symptoms. I literally was down to like
[28:47] eggs, salmon, rice, white rice, arugula
[28:52] salad, and chicken soup. So, I couldn't
[28:55] even go out to restaurants. Uh I was
[28:58] afraid when I got an invitation to
[28:59] someone's house, I would always eat
[29:01] before going going out. The turning
[29:04] point for me wasn't when I realized I
[29:06] couldn't eat fruit anymore because fruit
[29:09] is what I consider healthy. And I had
[29:12] always enjoyed eating bananas, but now
[29:14] even a banana was causing bloating. So
[29:17] that's when I realized that the problem
[29:20] wasn't the food. The problem was my gut.
[29:23] So how did you treat SIBO? Like what was
[29:26] the first thing that you did
[29:29] >> to either confirm that this was what
[29:31] this was or to just go, you know what, I
[29:34] have a feeling this is what this is. And
[29:36] so what do you do to treat this? So, the
[29:40] conventional treatment for SIBO is to
[29:42] take an antibiotic.
[29:43] >> What? Yes.
[29:44] >> Wait, how how does that work if what
[29:48] you've just explained is you have
[29:50] bacteria in there that's creating havoc.
[29:54] >> Yes. and impacting the functioning of
[29:59] the lining of the small intestine and
[30:01] potentially creating these like gross
[30:05] pools of overgrowth of junk.
[30:08] >> Uhhuh.
[30:09] >> I mean, I'm I'm like, you know, that's
[30:10] my words, not yours.
[30:11] >> Absolutely. The conventional treatment
[30:13] unfortunately doesn't work well. It has
[30:15] a very high failure rate and a very high
[30:18] relapse rate. When I treat SIBO, I look
[30:20] at this as a full garden ecosystem
[30:23] problem. Okay,
[30:24] >> we have to fix the motility in the gut.
[30:26] We have to fix your breakdown of food.
[30:28] During my own personal struggle with
[30:30] SIBO, I actually first wanted to treat
[30:32] it naturally. I tried to take the herbal
[30:35] antimicrobials and there were so many
[30:37] different ones out there, different
[30:38] potencies. I didn't know how long to
[30:40] take them. I just tried different
[30:41] things. I got super nauseous. I got
[30:44] sick. So then I switched gears and I
[30:48] said, "Well, if this is my only option,
[30:50] let me take the antibiotic." So I did.
[30:52] And I did not get better. In fact, I did
[30:55] a repeat SIBO breath test and it looked
[30:58] identical. Like the antibiotics did not
[31:00] touch it at all. Wow. So that's when I
[31:02] really dug deeper. I'm like, why do why
[31:04] does SIBO happen? What are the root
[31:06] causes? So that's when I realized
[31:08] something that I really had to address
[31:11] the gut motility. That's that irrigation
[31:14] system of the garden. So I started
[31:16] taking that prokinetic that was a game
[31:19] changer for me. The ginger artichoke
[31:22] pill.
[31:22] >> Absolutely.
[31:24] What I didn't realize is gas was all
[31:27] trapped inside of me. It was never
[31:28] coming out. After I took the motility
[31:31] activator, that ginger artichoke pill, I
[31:33] was finally passing gas.
[31:35] >> Wow.
[31:36] >> The second turning point was when I
[31:38] started taking a supplement called
[31:41] betane and pepsin.
[31:43] >> Betane and pepsin. Okay. When I took it,
[31:46] it helped me break down the food better.
[31:48] So, I wasn't bloated anymore. So, is
[31:50] this just what you did to get the
[31:52] bacteria out of the small intestine and
[31:54] to get things moving again? And then
[31:56] once you are kind of cleared of the gas
[32:00] and you start feeling better and you
[32:02] pass the breath test, now it's just the
[32:05] standard protocol of the magnesium, the
[32:07] digestive enzymes, and some of the other
[32:09] things we're going to get into.
[32:12] >> Well, what I would
[32:12] >> Because you don't want it to come back.
[32:14] Absolutely.
[32:14] >> And if you have a problem because those
[32:16] little bacteria keep sneaking out of the
[32:18] colon back up. I I'm I'm assuming they
[32:20] might come right back.
[32:22] >> Absolutely. So I call it the
[32:24] foundational steps of treating SIBO. The
[32:26] foundational steps is where we get
[32:29] everything ready to kill the bacteria.
[32:31] We don't kill the bacteria until the
[32:32] fourth and final phase of treatment. Oh.
[32:36] So phase one is promoting motility.
[32:38] That's the magnesium and the motility
[32:40] activator. We got to get that all going
[32:42] first. Phase two is the digestive
[32:45] enzymes.
[32:46] Some people need that extra betane and
[32:48] pepsin. Not everybody, but some people
[32:50] have low stomach acid and that can be a
[32:52] gamecher.
[32:53] So that's the pollinators. We're getting
[32:55] that going. Phase three is there's
[32:58] probably inflammation in the gut from
[33:00] all these bacteria. So I start patients
[33:04] on a spore probiotic that has
[33:07] imunoglobulins to heal the inflammation
[33:10] in their gut. So that's phase three. So
[33:12] those are the foundational steps to get
[33:14] everything in order before we can
[33:16] actually kill the bacteria in phase 4
[33:19] with the herbal antimicrobials.
[33:21] The ones we use are called bourberine.
[33:24] It comes from the root of a bourberine
[33:26] plant.
[33:26] >> Okay.
[33:27] >> Oregano oils. You're probably familiar
[33:28] with oregano.
[33:30] >> And the third one is alocyiden. It comes
[33:32] from garlic.
[33:33] >> Now what have you seen in your clinical
[33:35] practice and in yourself Dr. Dr. Rajri
[33:39] >> when you follow this protocol with your
[33:42] patients and with yourself when somebody
[33:44] comes in and has a positive SIBO test.
[33:48] >> So this protocol I would say is
[33:50] incredibly successful. It was for me and
[33:53] for hundreds of my patients but we see
[33:55] incredible results because again I think
[33:58] that my protocol really addresses the
[34:00] four systems of restoring the gut
[34:02] ecosystem. So at the end of it, not only
[34:05] have you cleared SIBO, you have a
[34:07] healthier gut microbiome.
[34:10] And then we have this whole strategy for
[34:12] preventional relapse. That is so
[34:14] critical in SIBO because 50% of patients
[34:18] will relapse in 9 months if you don't
[34:20] have a strategy. One thing I want to say
[34:22] before I ask you this next question is I
[34:24] just want to remind you as you're
[34:25] listening that we have a comprehensive
[34:28] guide to every episode with show notes
[34:31] with links that we prepare for every
[34:33] episode. So if you're like me and as Dr.
[34:36] Rajri is talking you're trying to take
[34:38] mental notes. Okay, what did she just
[34:39] say? Cuz I got to send this. You can go
[34:41] to the show notes and it's all going to
[34:44] be right there for you. So you can just
[34:46] lean in and listen and we got you. Um
[34:49] let's talk about leaky gut. What is
[34:51] leaky gut?
[34:54] >> So the medical term for leaky gut is
[34:57] increased intestinal permeability. So
[35:00] it's basically a problem with that third
[35:02] system of the gut garden, the garden
[35:04] soil. Imagine your garden soil having
[35:06] big cracks in it.
[35:08] >> So normally our small intestine is made
[35:12] up of tiny little cells, which I have a
[35:14] little example here.
[35:15] >> She's got yellow yoga blocks. I'm going
[35:17] to narrate this for you if you're
[35:18] listening.
[35:19] And these tiny little cells are what we
[35:22] call interosytes. They're like the
[35:24] little tiny cells on the lining of your
[35:26] small intestine.
[35:27] >> Okay. So these are the things that line
[35:30] the wall.
[35:31] >> Mhm.
[35:31] >> Okay.
[35:32] >> Now these tiny cells, they're bound
[35:34] together by tight junctions that hold
[35:37] them together.
[35:38] >> Okay.
[35:38] >> And the job of these cells is to just
[35:40] absorb nutrients from your food.
[35:42] >> Okay. But if something disrupts these
[35:45] tiny junctions between these cells and
[35:48] pops them open, now it could be a
[35:50] variety of things. It could be the
[35:52] standard American diet which is full of
[35:54] preservatives and and emulsifiers and
[35:57] additives.
[35:58] >> Okay?
[35:58] >> It could be antibiotics.
[36:00] It could be NSAIDs like uh if you're
[36:03] taking a lot of ibuprofen on an empty
[36:05] stomach. Could be if you're a heavy
[36:07] drinker. So all of these are insults to
[36:09] the gut. Can the bacteria we talked
[36:12] about also be okay? Great.
[36:14] >> Absolutely. So SIBO is a big root cause
[36:16] of leaky gut because of the bacteria
[36:19] again interfering with the enzymes
[36:21] creating inflammation in the gut. So
[36:23] this is what leaky gut looks like. Now
[36:25] you've got openings between these tiny
[36:28] cells in your small intestine.
[36:29] >> Oh. So instead of having a tube, you
[36:32] have mesh.
[36:33] >> Exactly. You have little holes in your
[36:35] in your gut. Now, this is a problem
[36:38] because bacteria and food that are
[36:41] normally on the inside of your gut,
[36:43] >> instead of getting properly absorbed
[36:46] through these cells, they now have a an
[36:49] open window to enter your bloodstream.
[36:51] >> Uh-oh. Uhoh.
[36:52] >> Like this. This little
[36:53] >> She's got a ping pong ball and she just
[36:55] shoved it through the wall.
[36:56] >> Yeah.
[36:57] >> So now it's floating around in my body.
[36:59] >> It's entered your bloodstream. And guess
[37:01] what's over on this side?
[37:03] >> The rest of me.
[37:04] >> Yeah. and 70% of your immune cells,
[37:06] they're sitting right there on the other
[37:08] side of these tiny cells in your body.
[37:10] >> So on the inside, you've got this lining
[37:13] that's absorbing nutrients and that's
[37:15] also when working correctly is supposed
[37:17] to keep all the food bacteria and crap
[37:19] on the tube.
[37:21] >> Exactly. But if you're eating a bunch of
[37:23] unhealthy ultrarocessed crap or doing
[37:26] too much ibuprofen or taking like
[37:29] antibiotics or you got bacterial or SIBO
[37:32] or other stuff, it starts to stretch the
[37:34] lining and now all the stuff on the
[37:36] inside is scooting through and now it's
[37:39] in your bloodstream, but the first thing
[37:40] in your bloodstream on the outside of
[37:43] your intestinal walls
[37:46] >> is the immune cells.
[37:48] >> Exactly. And so they're like, "Uhoh,
[37:50] wait a minute. That piece of broccoli
[37:52] wasn't supposed to come. Wait, what is
[37:53] that bacteria doing out here?"
[37:55] >> Right?
[37:55] >> So what happens?
[37:57] >> So it confuses your immune system and it
[38:00] creates this whole entire inflammatory
[38:02] cascade.
[38:03] >> So now what's happening in your gut
[38:06] affects the rest of your body
[38:09] and it can present in different ways in
[38:11] different people. So I actually had a
[38:14] clinic day. This was a real day where I
[38:17] saw five patients with leaky gut all on
[38:20] the same day and they had five different
[38:22] presentations entirely.
[38:24] >> What were they?
[38:25] >> The first one was a 70-year-old woman
[38:27] who had this dermatitis on her legs,
[38:29] like a skin rash,
[38:31] >> and she had been to two dermatologists.
[38:34] They couldn't figure it out. They did a
[38:36] skin biopsy.
[38:38] They gave her a bunch of steroid creams
[38:39] to put on the rash, but it wasn't
[38:42] getting better. So, we tested her gut.
[38:44] She had leaky gut and we worked on
[38:48] healing her gut, getting these cells
[38:50] back together and lo and behold, her
[38:53] skin clears up. So the second patient I
[38:56] had that day was a 55 55-year-old woman
[38:59] who had rheumatoid arthritis, which is
[39:01] an autoimmune condition,
[39:03] >> but her disease was flaring. So she was
[39:05] getting more pain in her joints. So we
[39:07] we check her microbiome and the same
[39:10] thing we find leaky gut. So the third
[39:12] patient I saw that day was a 45-year-old
[39:14] man and he was having severe migraine
[39:17] headaches like almost every day
[39:20] >> and he was having to take abortive
[39:21] medications daily which was very unusual
[39:23] for him. Tremendous brain fog out of the
[39:26] blue and sure enough he had leaky gut.
[39:29] We treated that and his migraines
[39:31] reduced significantly.
[39:33] >> So how do you heal a leaky gut?
[39:36] >> Okay so we heal leaky gut. First we've
[39:39] got to clean up the diet. So, we've got
[39:41] to get rid of those inflammatory
[39:42] triggers. We have to remove alcohol,
[39:46] gluten, and dairy
[39:48] because those are potentially
[39:50] inflammatory triggers, at least while
[39:52] we're treating leaky gut. Okay, we may
[39:53] be able to reintroduce those later.
[39:56] >> We also cut out processed foods to get
[39:58] rid of all those additives and
[40:00] emulsifiers. And then the two treatments
[40:02] we use for leaky gut, the first is
[40:04] llutamine powder. So it's just an amino
[40:08] acid and it happens to be food for these
[40:12] little antasytes. So it feeds these
[40:14] cells and it nourishes these cells and
[40:17] seals up these tight junctions between
[40:18] the cells. It does take time. It's not
[40:20] an overnight process.
[40:21] >> How long do you need to dedicate to do
[40:24] this?
[40:24] >> 3 months for sure. Sometimes up to six
[40:26] months.
[40:27] >> Okay.
[40:27] >> So that's the first treatment we use.
[40:29] Okay.
[40:29] >> The second treatment we use is
[40:31] imunoglobulins
[40:33] um also known as IGG antibodies.
[40:36] They're kind of similar to colostrum.
[40:38] Are you familiar familiar with
[40:40] colostrum?
[40:40] >> It's from milk, isn't it?
[40:41] >> Yes.
[40:42] >> It's like the mother's first milk, you
[40:44] know, that has all the antibodies to to
[40:46] nourish the infant's gut and immune
[40:47] system.
[40:48] >> So, the issue with colostrum is it has
[40:51] dairy proteins.
[40:52] >> So, imunogloabbulins are completely
[40:54] dairyf free. So, there's no dairy
[40:57] proteins and they're derived from boine
[41:00] serum and they just come in capsules.
[41:02] Huh? So, these two are are the primary
[41:04] treatments that we have for leaky gut,
[41:06] but leaky gut does not usually happen in
[41:09] isolation. So, we're back to that garden
[41:11] metaphor. And now there's this new
[41:13] bacteria that I'm noticing that's
[41:15] missing in a lot of people's gut and
[41:17] it's called acromancia.
[41:19] Acrimansia, the full name is acromancia
[41:22] mucinilia,
[41:23] but it lives in the mucous layer of the
[41:25] gut. So, it lives right here next to
[41:27] these antasytes and it creates that
[41:30] protective mucus that you know prevents
[41:32] leaky gut. But if you're missing this
[41:35] critical bacteria that's making the
[41:37] mucus, well, you're definitely higher
[41:39] risk of leaky gut. So, if you're missing
[41:41] that, we will also replenish that
[41:43] acromancia. And then the final thing is
[41:45] if you've got a bunch of weeds on this
[41:47] side, the bacteria like we talked about
[41:49] SIBO or dispiosis or candida, we've got
[41:52] to clean that up as well. And that's
[41:54] where the herbal antimicrobials come in.
[41:56] >> Amazing. Yeah.
[41:57] >> Dr. Rajri, what is the best diet for gut
[41:59] health?
[42:00] >> So, everyone has a different gut garden.
[42:03] So, the interesting thing is that the
[42:05] same diet might not work for everyone.
[42:07] >> Oh, I see. I wanted a simple answer.
[42:09] [laughter]
[42:10] >> Well, let me give you an example. I have
[42:12] some friends who are vegan and they eat
[42:14] a vegan diet incredibly high in fiber
[42:17] and they're thriving on that, which is
[42:19] wonderful. But if that same diet was
[42:21] given to someone else, they probably get
[42:23] bloated and miserable.
[42:25] >> So, some people do good on a
[42:27] Mediterranean diet, some people do good
[42:29] on a paleo diet, but there are some key
[42:32] principles that I recommend across the
[42:34] board. The first is that you want to eat
[42:36] whole foods. So, you want to avoid
[42:38] processed foods as much as you can.
[42:41] Absolutely.
[42:42] The second is that you want to have as
[42:45] many colors on your plate as possible.
[42:48] So that means, you know, having some
[42:50] berries or colorful, you know, purple
[42:53] potatoes or purple cabbage, carrots,
[42:55] because colors is when you're going to
[42:57] get the antioxidants and the
[42:59] phytonutrients.
[43:00] So try your best to eat a diverse array
[43:02] of colors. The third thing is to listen
[43:06] to your gut and figure out which fibers
[43:09] agree with you.
[43:10] >> Now, how do you know?
[43:12] >> So it's a little bit of trial and error,
[43:15] >> okay? But let's say you eat arugula.
[43:18] Arugula is usually well tolerated
[43:20] because it doesn't have any fermentable
[43:22] carbohydrate. So if you eat arugula with
[43:24] lemon juice and olive oil and you feel
[43:26] good eating that, that's a great fiber
[43:28] to keep in your diet versus if you eat
[43:31] beans and you get bloated, maybe that
[43:33] doesn't agree with you. So fiber is
[43:35] good, but you may have to do trial and
[43:37] error to figure out what fibers agree
[43:39] with your gut and keep those in your
[43:41] diet. And the fourth and final thing is
[43:44] to try to diversify your diet as much as
[43:47] possible. So what that means is that
[43:51] instead of just having like broccoli
[43:52] every night, maybe try green beans or
[43:55] asparagus or better yet stir fry a bunch
[43:58] of vegetables together because the more
[44:00] diverse your diet, the more robust and
[44:03] resilient your gut microbiome. So,
[44:05] you're going to get more plants growing
[44:06] in your gut garden, and that's going to
[44:08] make it more strong so that the weeds
[44:10] don't come back.
[44:12] >> Um, what foods tend to make your gut
[44:14] health symptoms worse?
[44:17] >> Okay, great question. The first one is
[44:19] beans and legumes. I think that's an
[44:21] obvious one. I mean, that can cause gas
[44:23] and bloating. It's true, but I, for some
[44:25] reason, I look at beans and legumes and
[44:27] I'm like, they're so good. I know
[44:29] they're so yummy, right?
[44:30] >> Yeah,
[44:31] >> so yummy. But again, it's very specific.
[44:35] Each person's different. Some people eat
[44:37] beans every day and they're great. You
[44:38] know, they have the microbiome that's
[44:40] able to break it down.
[44:41] >> Gotcha. So, beans, beans, and legumes.
[44:44] Anything else that tend to make gut
[44:46] health symptoms worse.
[44:48] >> The second would be dairy again because
[44:50] a lot of people have lactose intolerance
[44:53] or they have sensitivity to the dairy
[44:55] proteins uh which are casein and whey.
[44:58] So, that would be the second one. The
[45:00] third would be whole grains. So that's
[45:03] like quinoa, brown rice, oatmeal. Again,
[45:07] it's not for everyone, but again, the
[45:08] people struggling with SIBO, bloating,
[45:11] that's a category that can cause
[45:13] discomfort for them.
[45:16] The next one would be garlic and onions.
[45:20] Again, if you're having bloating and
[45:22] SIBO, those can be problematic. Again,
[45:24] not long term. Our goal is to always
[45:26] heal the gut and try to reintroduce all
[45:28] these foods back. What does fiber do for
[45:30] your gut?
[45:32] >> So, when we think about fiber, usually
[45:34] we think of it as bulking up your stool,
[45:36] keeping your bowels flowing regularly,
[45:38] >> but it does so much more for your gut.
[45:40] So, fiber is actually food for the good
[45:43] bacteria in your gut. So, when you're
[45:46] eating fiber, it's like putting
[45:47] fertilizer into your gut garden. M.
[45:50] >> So you're going to have more flowers
[45:51] popping up and the good bacteria use the
[45:55] fiber to then produce critical
[45:57] postbiotics
[45:58] that are critical for your health. I
[46:00] mean these postbiotics influence your
[46:02] immune system, your metabolism, your
[46:05] skin, and so much more.
[46:07] >> How much fiber do you recommend to your
[46:10] patients that they try to get every day?
[46:12] And do you have your favorite forms of
[46:14] it?
[46:16] >> So that's a great question. Fiber for a
[46:19] lot of my gut patients can be like a
[46:22] double-edged sword.
[46:24] [gasps] A lot of my gut patients are
[46:26] what I call fiber sensitive.
[46:29] So even though fiber in theory is so
[46:33] good for your gut, I can't just tell
[46:35] patients to take the recommended 25
[46:38] grams for a woman or 38 grams for a man.
[46:41] That'll probably cause them a lot of
[46:42] problems. Okay? Usually what I recommend
[46:45] is start with the leafy greens. That's
[46:48] like the arugula, the spinach, the
[46:50] chard, and start with the cooked form if
[46:53] you prefer. Cooked vegetables are always
[46:55] easier to tolerate than the raw. But the
[46:59] nice thing about these leafy greens is
[47:00] they don't have any fermentable
[47:01] carbohydrate, so they usually don't
[47:03] cause bloating.
[47:05] >> So if you're someone who's fiber
[47:06] sensitive, try sautéing a bunch of
[47:08] spinach first. Make sure it's well
[47:10] cooked. So, usually it's about taking
[47:13] baby steps, starting with really
[47:14] well-cooked, figuring out what agrees
[47:17] with you, and then trying new things in
[47:19] your diet, and then whatever does work
[47:22] for you, keep that in your diet and try
[47:24] to diversify. What are the five most
[47:27] important daily habits for having a
[47:30] healthy gut?
[47:31] >> I love this question because I think we
[47:32] pay so much attention to what we eat,
[47:36] but how we eat and when we eat are so
[47:39] important. So the first thing I
[47:41] recommend to all my patients is to
[47:44] practice meal spacing.
[47:47] Meal spacing. Yep. So meal spacing
[47:50] essentially means no snacking between
[47:52] meals. So that's having four to five
[47:54] hours between your meals. And what that
[47:57] does is it activates the cleaning waves
[47:59] in your gut. So it really reduces
[48:02] bloating. The second thing I recommend
[48:04] is to practice mindful eating. So I
[48:08] think so many of us are eating under
[48:10] very stressful circumstances. You know,
[48:12] we've got stress from work. We may be
[48:15] eating on the go, you know, or while
[48:17] doing work or scrolling through
[48:19] stressful emails or news. And that
[48:22] stress puts us into a state of fight or
[48:24] flight. So when you're eating, you want
[48:26] to activate the parasympathetic nervous
[48:29] system, which helps you rest and digest.
[48:32] So, one of the easiest things you can do
[48:35] is put away all your devices,
[48:38] take a few moments for yourself, take a
[48:39] few deep breaths, and that's going to
[48:42] activate that vagus nerve. And that
[48:44] vagus nerve is what tells your stomach
[48:47] to make stomach acid, your pancreas to
[48:49] make pancreatic enzymes, and it gets
[48:51] that motility going. So, your digestion
[48:53] will be so much better. And when you
[48:55] eat, you really want to enjoy every
[48:57] bite. you know, take the time to chew,
[48:59] chew your food, taste your food. The
[49:02] third thing would be to only eat when
[49:05] you are truly hungry.
[49:07] So, when you are truly hungry, that's
[49:10] when your stomach acid's going to be
[49:12] strongest, your pancreatic enzymes are
[49:14] going to be strongest, your motility is
[49:16] going to be activating, and your
[49:17] digestion is just going to be so much
[49:19] better. So, the fourth thing is to stay
[49:22] active throughout the day. So after
[49:25] eating, if you can go for a little walk,
[49:26] again, you're going to naturally
[49:28] activate the motility in the gut. So,
[49:31] you know, if you can work in a little
[49:33] bit of movement throughout the day,
[49:35] that's going to help your digestion so
[49:36] much more. Again, being stagnant and
[49:38] just sitting at your desk is probably
[49:40] the worst thing you can do for for your
[49:42] digestion.
[49:43] And the fifth thing is to try not to
[49:46] drink too much water with your meals.
[49:48] Really? Yeah. Why? So water obviously is
[49:53] important for hydration, but when you
[49:55] drink a ton of it with your meals,
[49:58] you're actually diluting your stomach
[49:59] acid and your pancreatic enzymes. So
[50:02] what I've observed with my patients and
[50:04] with myself is when I eat my meal, I'll
[50:07] take a few sips of water if needed, but
[50:10] I'll save the bulk of my water for like
[50:12] 45 minutes later. And by doing that, I
[50:16] need far less digestive support. Like I
[50:18] don't need to take as much digestive
[50:20] enzymes because my natural acid and
[50:22] enzymes are concentrated.
[50:23] >> Wow. I didn't realize that about the
[50:26] water. Cuz when I sit down to have
[50:28] dinner in particular, we always have a
[50:31] glass of water for everybody at the
[50:33] table. Yeah.
[50:34] >> And I make myself wrong if I don't
[50:36] finish it because I think I'm supposed
[50:37] to have a lot of water
[50:39] >> while I'm sitting eating a meal. And it
[50:41] makes sense now that you explain it that
[50:43] way
[50:44] >> that the water dilutes the environment
[50:48] which makes it more difficult. And here
[50:50] I thought he was doing something. I mean
[50:51] it is very healthy to drink water. It's
[50:52] better to drink water than not drink
[50:54] water. But I see what you're saying. You
[50:55] get up, take a quick 10-minute walk and
[50:57] then have your water. Awesome. So I'd
[51:00] love to switch gears. What is histamine
[51:03] intolerance? So, histamine intolerance
[51:06] is another extreme form of food
[51:09] sensitivity.
[51:11] And basically, a person with histamine
[51:14] intolerance suddenly feels like they're
[51:16] allergic to everything. And the
[51:19] unfortunate part is a lot of really
[51:22] healthy foods that we think are good for
[51:24] our gut are loaded in histamines. So
[51:27] that's the fermented foods like the
[51:29] kimchi, sauerkraut, kombucha, and the
[51:32] bone broth. What is a histamine?
[51:35] >> So, histamine is a compound that's made
[51:37] by our immune system and it's naturally
[51:40] released when we're having an allergic
[51:42] reaction. So, if you're having um a
[51:45] sneezing attack or you know
[51:47] environmental allergies, your immune
[51:49] cells are releasing that histamine and
[51:51] that's causing the nasal congestion. But
[51:54] histamines can affect multiple organs in
[51:56] your body. So in your brain it can
[51:59] create anxiety, insomnia, headaches. In
[52:03] your skin it can cause rashes and hives.
[52:06] >> In your heart it can cause palpitations.
[52:10] And in your stomach it can it can cause
[52:12] acid reflux. And in your gut it can
[52:15] cause bloating and diarrhea. So it can
[52:18] really affect your whole body. And
[52:20] histamines are found like I said in
[52:22] those fermented foods. It's also found
[52:25] in aged foods. So, it's found in soy
[52:28] sauce and aged vinegars, aged cheeses,
[52:30] and alcohol.
[52:32] >> Can you show me how histamine builds up
[52:34] in the body?
[52:35] >> Absolutely. So, let me get a an example
[52:38] over here.
[52:38] >> Okay. She's got a glass like vase that
[52:42] has uh pingpong balls in it, white and
[52:45] blue.
[52:46] >> And there's a red line halfway up to
[52:48] mark halfway up. And then we've got
[52:50] you've got some more ping pong balls
[52:51] here.
[52:52] >> Yeah.
[52:52] >> Okay.
[52:53] >> So, these balls represent the
[52:55] histamines. Okay.
[52:56] >> So, to I'm going to give you a story of
[53:00] one of my patients and describe his day
[53:02] and what happens with his histamine
[53:04] levels.
[53:05] >> Okay.
[53:05] >> So, one of my patients, let's just call
[53:07] him John. He's a 45-year-old man and he
[53:10] comes to see me and he's basically
[53:12] reacting to everything.
[53:14] Everything he eats is making him feel
[53:16] sick. He's bloated all the time. He's
[53:19] got diarrhea. He's got headaches now.
[53:22] He's super anxious and he can't sleep at
[53:25] night. And his skin is breaking out.
[53:26] >> That's a lot.
[53:27] >> And sinus congestion.
[53:28] >> It sounds like everything's going
[53:29] haywire.
[53:30] >> Everything's falling apart. He's now
[53:32] relying on benadryil all the time, Zerek
[53:35] all the time. He's trying to suppress
[53:37] all these symptoms. He's even been to
[53:38] the ER and they just give him steroids
[53:42] and benadryil and send him on his way.
[53:46] So, let me describe what's happening to
[53:48] John.
[53:50] So, let's say he wakes up in the morning
[53:53] and he's trying to be healthy. So he has
[53:55] his sourdough toast with avocado, a
[53:58] slice of tomato, and an egg. That sounds
[54:01] healthy.
[54:01] >> It sounds healthy. But little does he
[54:03] realize that avocado and the tomato have
[54:05] histamines.
[54:07] So now his body's got more histamines.
[54:11] And I'm going to explain the root cause
[54:13] of all this in a little bit, but I'm
[54:14] going to describe his day first. Okay.
[54:16] So after lunch, he's trying to be
[54:18] healthy again. And he's trying to keep
[54:20] up his protein intake. And he heard
[54:23] sardines are healthy. Yeah.
[54:24] >> So, he has a sardine salad. Little does
[54:27] he realize sardines are loaded in
[54:29] histamines. So, sure enough, his body
[54:33] has a higher exposure to histamines.
[54:36] >> Okay.
[54:36] >> And then for dinner, he goes out to
[54:38] dinner with his wife to his favorite
[54:40] Japanese restaurant and he has a couple
[54:43] glasses of wine, which again have
[54:45] histamines. Oops. And then he has his
[54:49] favorite sushi with a bunch of soy
[54:51] sauce. Soy sauce is loaded in
[54:53] histamines. So, guess what happens to
[54:55] John that night? He comes home, he has a
[54:59] horrible headache. He's super anxious.
[55:02] He can't sleep the whole night. His skin
[55:04] is breaking out. It's itching. He's
[55:07] absolutely miserable. So, he basically
[55:10] crossed the threshold of his histamine
[55:12] bucket. It's overflowing in his system.
[55:15] >> So, why did this happen? Because
[55:17] literally 6 months ago, he could have
[55:19] eaten the exact same foods and been
[55:21] fine.
[55:22] >> Yes.
[55:23] >> What? Well, it comes down to what's
[55:24] happened in his microbiome. There's been
[55:26] a shift and there's an overgrowth of
[55:29] weeds in his garden.
[55:32] >> Okay.
[55:32] >> These bacteria are now producing more
[55:35] histamines and they're eating up a
[55:38] critical enzyme that normally breaks
[55:40] down histamines and that enzyme is
[55:42] called DAO, damine oxidase.
[55:45] >> Okay. So, what I did for John is I I had
[55:47] him do the SIBO breath test and the
[55:50] stool microbiome test. And we found that
[55:53] he had very significant SIBO, both
[55:56] types, and he had leaky gut. So, he had
[55:59] the perfect storm. He had a bunch of
[56:01] weeds in the wrong place in his gut. And
[56:03] because of the leaky gut, his immune
[56:05] system was now confused, overreacting.
[56:09] So, I basically treated him by putting
[56:12] him on a protocol to heal the SIBO and
[56:14] the leaky gut. So, it was a three-month
[56:16] protocol doing everything we talked
[56:18] about today.
[56:20] And to help with his symptoms during
[56:23] that time, I put him on a low histamine
[56:25] diet. Now, this is where a lot of people
[56:27] get confused and they think that the
[56:30] treatment for histamine intolerance is a
[56:32] low histamine diet.
[56:33] >> What's the treatment for a histamine
[56:35] intolerance? Then
[56:36] >> the treatment is really getting to that
[56:38] root cause, cleaning up those weeds.
[56:40] >> So, it's like the same protocol we've
[56:42] been talking about over and over to get
[56:44] the gut environment healthy again.
[56:46] >> And in order to help it,
[56:49] >> you're just lowering your own histamine
[56:52] intake, to give your gut a chance to get
[56:55] healthy again. Because one of the things
[56:57] that I think is important to say is
[56:59] >> you're not saying these foods are
[57:01] unhealthy. You're saying that based on
[57:04] your gut system and what's off
[57:08] >> in those four ways your gut can be off.
[57:12] >> Foods that are really healthy can wreak
[57:15] havoc because your gut environment is
[57:17] bad. And so when you recommended a low
[57:19] histamine diet, it's not because the
[57:21] other stuff was unhealthy. It's because
[57:22] his gut couldn't tolerate it because the
[57:24] gut was unhealthy.
[57:25] >> Exactly.
[57:26] >> Got it. Okay. Dr. Rashri, how are your
[57:28] thyroid and gut connected? So our
[57:30] thyroid is that butterflyshaped organ in
[57:33] our neck and it's basically connected to
[57:37] your gut through the gut thyroid axis.
[57:40] So your thyroid can affect your gut and
[57:43] your gut can affect your thyroid. So
[57:46] let's talk about the ways that the
[57:47] thyroid can affect the gut. So first is
[57:50] your thyroid strongly influences that
[57:53] motility in the gut.
[57:55] So, anytime I see a patient who's
[57:57] constipated, we we need to check the
[57:59] thyroid labs to make sure that's not a
[58:00] root cause. The thyroid can also
[58:03] influence your production of stomach
[58:05] acid. So, a lot of my patients with
[58:07] hypothyroidism,
[58:09] they have slow low stomach acid and they
[58:12] may benefit again from the digestive
[58:14] enzymes. Sometimes even that betane and
[58:16] pepsin, those acid pills that I talked
[58:18] about. Now, people with hypothyroidism
[58:21] because of that slow motility, they're
[58:23] also higher risk of getting SIBO.
[58:26] So, if they're struggling with bloating
[58:28] or food sensitivities or bowel issues,
[58:30] we always test for SIBO. So, now let me
[58:33] explain how the gut can affect the
[58:35] thyroid. So again, because the immune
[58:38] cells are in the gut, a lot of people
[58:41] with autoimmune thyroid disease, whether
[58:44] it's Hashimoto's or Graves disease,
[58:47] Hashimoto's is the one that's associated
[58:48] with low thyroid and Graves disease is
[58:51] the one that's associated with high
[58:53] thyroid. A lot of that can be linked to
[58:57] what's happening in the gut. So if their
[58:59] disease is flaring, again, it could be
[59:01] because of leaky gut or inflammation in
[59:04] the gut. So when we pay attention to to
[59:07] the gut and treat whatever we find
[59:09] there, we often see antibbody levels go
[59:11] down.
[59:12] >> That's super helpful. What actually is
[59:14] Hashimoto's and what are the symptoms?
[59:16] >> So Hashimoto's is an autoimmune disease
[59:19] of the thyroid. Your body is producing
[59:22] an antibbody. It's called the thyroid
[59:24] peroxidase antibbody or TPO antibbody
[59:26] and that's attacking your thyroid.
[59:29] Now there's many stages to Hashimoto's.
[59:32] Like a lot of times we can catch
[59:34] Hashimoto's early before it actually
[59:36] makes you hypothyroid. So the symptoms
[59:38] of Hashimoto's are kind of general. It
[59:40] depends on how active the disease is.
[59:43] Some people with mild disease may not
[59:44] have any symptoms. Maybe they're having
[59:46] fatigue, brain fog, maybe they're having
[59:49] slow gut motility and bloating and
[59:52] constipation, sometimes joint pain.
[59:55] So it really varies. How do you heal
[59:57] your thyroid? you know, our thyroid is
[1:00:01] dependent on critical nutrients. So, an
[1:00:04] easy thing that I do for patients is I
[1:00:06] check their nutrient levels and we try
[1:00:08] to optimize that. You can easily do that
[1:00:11] by taking a high quality multivitamin
[1:00:13] that has all of these things in there.
[1:00:16] Um, but if someone's really deficient in
[1:00:18] iron or vitamin D, I might have them
[1:00:20] work on that specifically.
[1:00:24] And then again, if we're talking about
[1:00:26] Hashimoto's, because of the autoimmune
[1:00:28] process, we really need to target gut
[1:00:31] inflammation, the health of the
[1:00:33] microbiome, and seeing what we can do
[1:00:35] there to improve the immune regulation.
[1:00:38] >> Let's talk about insulin. What is
[1:00:40] insulin?
[1:00:41] >> So, insulin is a hormone that's been
[1:00:44] made by our pancreas. And the job of
[1:00:47] insulin is to tell our cells to take up
[1:00:49] blood sugar. So, let's say you have a
[1:00:51] piece of cake,
[1:00:52] >> okay? your blood sugar goes up
[1:00:56] and the way your body controls that is
[1:00:59] by releasing insulin from the pancreas.
[1:01:03] Now, the key thing is whether or not
[1:01:05] your insulin receptors are listening.
[1:01:08] So, let me show you an example.
[1:01:09] >> Oh, I would love to see an example.
[1:01:11] >> Okay, she's got a a glass jar of sugar
[1:01:13] cubes. Perfect.
[1:01:16] >> Oh, and she's got a Tupperware round
[1:01:19] Tupperware thing with a lid on it. So
[1:01:21] this Tupperware container is like the
[1:01:23] cells in our body and then these sugar
[1:01:26] cubes represent glucose in your
[1:01:28] bloodstream. So you had your piece of
[1:01:30] cake and your blood sugar just is just
[1:01:33] going up. So your body is going to
[1:01:35] release insulin from your pancreas and
[1:01:38] insulin is like the key. Now, in order
[1:01:42] for insulin to work and tell your cells
[1:01:45] to take up the blood sugar, the cells
[1:01:48] insulin receptors have to be unlocked.
[1:01:51] Got it? So, let's say this is a
[1:01:52] receptive cell. It's unlocked. So, it
[1:01:55] opens up. It listens to insulin and it
[1:01:58] takes up the blood sugar.
[1:02:01] And interestingly, you can actually na
[1:02:03] naturally open up your receptors.
[1:02:05] >> You can how?
[1:02:06] >> By exercising.
[1:02:08] >> Really? When you exercise, your muscles
[1:02:10] will naturally open up their insulin
[1:02:12] receptors and take up glucose. But the
[1:02:15] problem is a lot of people have cells
[1:02:19] where the insulin receptors are locked.
[1:02:21] So that's like having a tightly closed
[1:02:23] Tupperware container that's not
[1:02:25] responding to this insulin key. Got it?
[1:02:27] Okay.
[1:02:29] >> So when this happens, your pancreas
[1:02:32] responds by increasing the production of
[1:02:35] insulin.
[1:02:36] >> Oh, so hold on. So, if your insulin
[1:02:40] cells are locked and they're not
[1:02:42] responding to the little bit of insulin
[1:02:45] that you have or the normal amount of
[1:02:46] insulin that would unlock it,
[1:02:48] >> your pancreas is like, "Okay, hold on.
[1:02:50] I'm getting the memo. Let's flood the
[1:02:52] body with insulin because we got to get
[1:02:54] these cells unlocked because this woman
[1:02:56] just ate some cake. We got to bring the
[1:02:57] glucose down." Okay, so now the pancreas
[1:03:00] has come online.
[1:03:01] >> Yeah.
[1:03:01] >> You now have more insulin and now what
[1:03:03] happens?
[1:03:05] >> This is a problematic scenario. Okay?
[1:03:07] >> Because high insulin levels is
[1:03:10] inflammatory on the body. High insulin
[1:03:13] levels tells your cells to store fat and
[1:03:15] lock it away. [snorts] And high insulin
[1:03:17] levels makes you very hungry. So guess
[1:03:20] what? Two hours later, you're ready for
[1:03:23] your cookie
[1:03:25] even though you just had cake. So it
[1:03:28] drives this vicious cycle of hunger and
[1:03:32] weight gain.
[1:03:34] So people who have high insulin levels,
[1:03:38] they often struggle to lose weight. It's
[1:03:40] very difficult to fast because of the
[1:03:43] hunger that's, you know, controlling
[1:03:45] everything. Insulin resistance can
[1:03:47] happen far before you're diagnosed with
[1:03:50] pre-diabetes or diabetes.
[1:03:52] >> And we now know that about half the
[1:03:54] population here in America are insulin
[1:03:56] resistant. What I do in my practice is I
[1:03:59] test people's fasting insulin level.
[1:04:02] This is a test that's not usually part
[1:04:04] of routine blood work, but you could ask
[1:04:06] your doctor for it because you could
[1:04:09] have a normal fasting glucose. So,
[1:04:11] normal fasting glucose is under 100 and
[1:04:14] you could have a normal hemoglobin A1C.
[1:04:17] That's that marker of your sugar for 3
[1:04:19] months,
[1:04:20] but you could have elevated fasting
[1:04:22] insulin far before those become a
[1:04:24] problem. The good news though, there's
[1:04:26] so much we can do to reverse insulin
[1:04:28] resistance. So that's kind of um a a a
[1:04:31] window of opportunity where we can
[1:04:33] intervene and reverse this whole
[1:04:34] process.
[1:04:36] >> What can you do to reverse insulin
[1:04:38] resistance?
[1:04:39] >> So usually it's a combination of three
[1:04:41] things. The first thing is the diet. So
[1:04:45] we take away the things that spike the
[1:04:47] insulin because that's feeding into this
[1:04:49] whole vicious cycle. So obviously we
[1:04:52] want to avoid simple sugars and
[1:04:55] carbohydrates
[1:04:57] as well as alcohol because alcohol turns
[1:04:59] into sugar. So we really want to put you
[1:05:02] on a diet that's going to stabilize your
[1:05:04] blood sugar. When we do that and you
[1:05:06] focus more on eating proteins and
[1:05:08] vegetables and healthy fats like
[1:05:10] avocados and nuts, that totally reduces
[1:05:14] your blood glucose level so you're not
[1:05:15] having these spikes up and down all day.
[1:05:18] Your blood sugar is kind of stable meal
[1:05:20] to meal.
[1:05:21] So, guess what happens? Your pancreas
[1:05:24] doesn't have to produce as much insulin.
[1:05:27] So, your hunger goes down. I mean, you
[1:05:29] can still have some carbs like from
[1:05:31] berries and yams. So, the insulin goes
[1:05:34] down. And then all of a sudden, because
[1:05:38] the cells are not overflooded with the
[1:05:40] insulin, they start opening up.
[1:05:42] >> What's the second?
[1:05:43] >> The second thing we can do is exercise.
[1:05:45] Like I mentioned, exercise is going to
[1:05:47] naturally open up those insulin
[1:05:49] receptors. So, I'd recommend 30 to 45
[1:05:51] minutes of cardio every day. You can
[1:05:53] split it up into two sessions if you
[1:05:55] want. And strength training two to three
[1:05:57] times a week because the more muscle
[1:05:59] mass you have, the more insulin
[1:06:01] sensitive you are. So, that's the second
[1:06:04] thing. And the third thing you can do is
[1:06:06] to take some natural supplements. And
[1:06:08] so, the two that I use in my practice
[1:06:10] are bourberine and cinnamon and
[1:06:12] chromium.
[1:06:13] >> You're smiling as you say this. Well, I
[1:06:15] think because I've seen such radical
[1:06:18] transformation in patients. So, I have
[1:06:21] seen Okay, I'll share the one of the
[1:06:23] most fascinating stories of my career. I
[1:06:26] met a lady, she was vegetarian
[1:06:29] and her hemoglobin A1C when I first met
[1:06:31] her was 13,
[1:06:34] which in other words, her fasting
[1:06:36] glucose was over 300. She was a very
[1:06:39] poorly controlled diabetic [snorts] and
[1:06:41] she was adamant that she did not want to
[1:06:43] take any pharmaceuticals. I was quite
[1:06:46] concerned when I met there met her if
[1:06:48] that was even possible and I knew that
[1:06:50] the high blood sugar was damaging all
[1:06:51] her organs.
[1:06:53] Her fasting insulin when I first met her
[1:06:55] was like 35 incredibly high
[1:06:59] but she followed everything I asked her
[1:07:01] to do
[1:07:02] >> the diet the exercise and these
[1:07:04] supplements.
[1:07:05] And we had a few, you know, setbacks
[1:07:08] here and there where I had to make
[1:07:09] adjustments with her diet. But by six
[1:07:11] months, she had lost over 30 pounds and
[1:07:14] her hemoglobin A1C was 5.7, which is
[1:07:18] like normal. And her insulin was 8,
[1:07:21] which is also pretty close to normal.
[1:07:23] >> That's incredible. Dr. Rajri, what is
[1:07:26] the difference between acid reflux and
[1:07:29] gird? And how do you treat them?
[1:07:32] So gird is gastro esophageal reflux
[1:07:35] disease. So that's basically the medical
[1:07:38] term for acid reflux. It's the same
[1:07:40] thing
[1:07:41] >> pretty much. But what I've observed in
[1:07:44] my practice is that out of 10 people who
[1:07:47] tell me they have reflux, they call it
[1:07:49] reflux. Seven of those 10 people
[1:07:52] actually have the opposite problem. They
[1:07:55] have non acid reflux.
[1:07:57] >> What is that? So non- acid reflux is
[1:08:01] where they're not digesting their food
[1:08:03] properly because of low stomach acid and
[1:08:06] that undigested food fragments kind of
[1:08:09] trickle up their esophagus. It causes
[1:08:12] all this fleg in their throat. They're
[1:08:14] constantly clearing their throat after
[1:08:15] meals. And in the SIBO IBS population,
[1:08:19] this non-acid reflux is very very
[1:08:22] common. And so it's an important
[1:08:25] distinction. So when we're dealing with
[1:08:27] true acid reflux, the patient will often
[1:08:30] describe burning in their stomach,
[1:08:33] burning in their chest.
[1:08:35] >> So they kind of hold it in between their
[1:08:38] breasts or right above it, saying it's
[1:08:39] kind of right here.
[1:08:40] >> Exactly. When they're talking about non
[1:08:43] acid reflux, they don't describe any
[1:08:46] burning. They're talking about flem and
[1:08:48] throat clearing. Huh.
[1:08:50] And so I have to ask these questions to
[1:08:52] really tease it out because otherwise
[1:08:54] patients just think they all have acid
[1:08:56] reflux. But this distinction is so
[1:08:59] important because the treatments are
[1:09:00] opposite.
[1:09:00] >> How do you treat acid reflux and gird
[1:09:03] versus non acid reflux?
[1:09:06] >> I'll start with the non-acid reflux
[1:09:08] because that's the easy one.
[1:09:09] >> Okay.
[1:09:10] >> Non- acid reflux the treatment is to
[1:09:12] provide the acid. So we use those
[1:09:14] capsules of betane and pepsin. Betane is
[1:09:17] hydrochloric acid and pepsin is an
[1:09:20] enzyme to digest proteins. So a patient
[1:09:23] will try that. They'll take it after a
[1:09:25] meal and if they notice all these
[1:09:27] symptoms reduce, their flem is gone,
[1:09:29] throat clearing's gone. Burping is
[1:09:31] another symptom I forgot to mention.
[1:09:33] Burping, excessive belching after meals
[1:09:35] is a symptom of low stomach acid.
[1:09:37] >> Oh, so when a patient starts taking this
[1:09:41] betane and pepsin, they notice their
[1:09:42] belching goes away. um their throat
[1:09:45] clearing goes away, their fleg goes
[1:09:46] away, then we know it's working. And if
[1:09:49] they take it and they don't feel any
[1:09:50] burning, that means they need it. It's
[1:09:53] actually helping them.
[1:09:54] >> But if they were to get burning, then we
[1:09:57] know that they don't need it. They have
[1:09:59] enough acid. So that's the treatment of
[1:10:01] non acid reflux.
[1:10:02] >> You just add acid.
[1:10:03] >> Yeah. Very simple. Very simple.
[1:10:06] >> Now, when we're dealing with acid
[1:10:07] reflux, um there are natural treatments,
[1:10:11] but we also need to do more
[1:10:12] investigation. We use DGL capsules which
[1:10:15] are a type of licorice and they're
[1:10:17] convenient because they're in capsules
[1:10:18] that they can take with them anywhere
[1:10:21] and it's very soothing to the stomach
[1:10:23] and the esophagus. So that's the
[1:10:25] symptomatic relief part. But then acid
[1:10:29] reflux is your body almost saying that
[1:10:31] it doesn't like what you ate. It's
[1:10:32] sending it back up. Then it could be
[1:10:34] food sensitivities. So I review their
[1:10:36] diet very carefully. like maybe they're
[1:10:38] drinking six cups of coffee a day or
[1:10:41] maybe they're drinking a lot of wine at
[1:10:43] night or maybe it's the tomato sauce uh
[1:10:46] or spicy food. So maybe there's a
[1:10:48] trigger that we can identify
[1:10:51] then we do a more investigation of their
[1:10:53] gut garden. So SIBO interestingly is a
[1:10:57] big root cause of acid reflux and part
[1:11:00] of that is because if you have a lot of
[1:11:02] pressure under the diaphragm from the
[1:11:03] SIBO that gas pressure is going to push
[1:11:06] the acid upward. So we have to take a
[1:11:08] full picture at their gut ecosystem and
[1:11:11] once we fix that usually we see acid
[1:11:14] reflux go away.
[1:11:15] >> How do you suggest or recommend that I
[1:11:20] or the person listening go about finding
[1:11:24] the right doctor when you have
[1:11:26] unexplained gut issues? Because I think
[1:11:29] as I listen to you and as the person
[1:11:31] who's watching and listening is like I
[1:11:33] want you to be my doctor but what
[1:11:35] questions would you ask her? How do you
[1:11:36] find somebody that takes such a holistic
[1:11:39] approach to gut issues?
[1:11:42] >> So, you probably need to do a little bit
[1:11:44] of research. I think your your
[1:11:46] gastroenterologist is a great starting
[1:11:48] point as far as ruling out all the
[1:11:50] structural issues um for doing all the
[1:11:53] standard tests to make sure nothing
[1:11:54] really serious is going on like ruling
[1:11:56] out colon cancer, ruling out
[1:11:58] inflammatory bowel disease, celiac
[1:12:00] disease. They can help with all of that.
[1:12:02] A lot of times, well, you could ask your
[1:12:04] GI doctor for the SIBO test. A lot of
[1:12:06] them are familiar with it. Um, for some
[1:12:10] reason, they don't offer it unless you
[1:12:12] kind of ask for it. And unfortunately,
[1:12:14] I've even had patients who ask for the
[1:12:16] test and instead of being given the
[1:12:19] test, they're just handed the
[1:12:20] antibiotics for SIBO without even
[1:12:22] testing. So, you don't really want to go
[1:12:24] that route. You always want to know what
[1:12:25] you're treating. Then, you might want to
[1:12:27] research someone who has knowledge in
[1:12:30] integrative and functional medicine.
[1:12:32] someone who's familiar with SIBO,
[1:12:35] familiar with the microbiome, who offers
[1:12:36] these tests. So, the stool microbiome
[1:12:38] test, the SIBO test, someone who's going
[1:12:41] to pay attention to your diet, the food
[1:12:44] allergies, the food sensitivities.
[1:12:47] So, it may take a little bit of
[1:12:48] research. What are for you kind of top
[1:12:51] red flag symptoms
[1:12:53] >> that you would recommend that I or the
[1:12:57] person listening go talk to a doctor
[1:12:59] about?
[1:13:01] So if you have blood in the stools,
[1:13:03] that's usually a red flag. I mean, it
[1:13:05] can be hemorrhoids. And so I try to
[1:13:08] understand the patient's history. Like
[1:13:09] if it was after a significant straining
[1:13:11] and it was a one-time thing, one wiping,
[1:13:14] >> but if it's a consistent blood in the
[1:13:16] stools, that is definitely a red flag.
[1:13:18] >> Okay?
[1:13:18] >> If you're vomiting a lot, that's a red
[1:13:21] flag because SIBO can cause nausea, but
[1:13:24] it shouldn't cause persistent vomiting.
[1:13:26] If you're losing a substantial amount of
[1:13:28] weight, more than 10 pounds, and you
[1:13:31] can't seem to stabilize that weight,
[1:13:32] it's just coming off, that's another red
[1:13:34] flag. Dr. Rashri, what are your parting
[1:13:37] words?
[1:13:38] So, if you're someone out there who's
[1:13:40] struggling with gut issues, whether it's
[1:13:43] bloating every day or constipation or
[1:13:46] reflux or you're reacting to foods, I
[1:13:49] just want to bring you hope that healing
[1:13:51] is possible, that you don't have to live
[1:13:53] like this for the rest of your life.
[1:13:56] There's so much we can do. It's just a
[1:13:58] matter of figuring out what part of your
[1:14:00] gut gut garden needs support. So
[1:14:02] hopefully with all of these tools and
[1:14:04] tips that we've talked about today, you
[1:14:06] can see improvement in your gut health
[1:14:08] and in your overall health. Well, I just
[1:14:11] want to say thank you. Thank you for
[1:14:14] getting on a plane and flying across
[1:14:16] country and taking time out of your
[1:14:18] extraordinarily busy clinical practice
[1:14:21] to share all this. This is a
[1:14:24] comprehensive guide that not only left
[1:14:28] us with specific things to do that
[1:14:30] you're seeing work for yourself, for
[1:14:32] your clinical practice over and over
[1:14:34] again, but that also was easy to
[1:14:38] understand and I really appreciated that
[1:14:41] and I feel way more hopeful and I've got
[1:14:44] like seven people in mind that I'm
[1:14:45] sending this to immediately that are
[1:14:47] having constant problems with their gut.
[1:14:50] And what I also appreciate that you
[1:14:52] brought to this is that there is the
[1:14:53] emotional side. It impacts your quality
[1:14:55] of life. And so I loved that your
[1:14:58] approach kept coming back to the
[1:15:01] baseline understanding of these four
[1:15:04] factors of how you create this healthy
[1:15:07] garden in your gut system so that your
[1:15:10] overall life becomes healthier. So thank
[1:15:13] you. Thank you. Thank you.
[1:15:16] >> Thank you, Mel. It's it was such an
[1:15:18] honor and a privilege to be here today
[1:15:19] to have this amazing conversation and I
[1:15:22] really hope it reaches a lot of people
[1:15:24] and helps so many people.
[1:15:25] >> I know it will. And I also want to thank
[1:15:27] you. Thank you for taking the time to
[1:15:30] listen to this to better understand your
[1:15:32] gut and to learn how to create a
[1:15:35] healthier gut. There's no doubt in my
[1:15:37] mind based on the way that she explained
[1:15:39] this all to us that you can feel better
[1:15:43] in your life. And I really hope that you
[1:15:46] not only take the recommendations and
[1:15:48] try it, but you also share this free
[1:15:51] resource with people in your life who
[1:15:53] deserve to feel better, too. And in case
[1:15:55] no one else tells you, I want to be sure
[1:15:57] as your friend to tell you that I love
[1:15:58] you and I believe in you and I believe
[1:16:00] in your ability to create a better life.
[1:16:02] And boy, wouldn't your life feel better
[1:16:04] if your gut felt better? Of course it
[1:16:06] would. I will welcome you in to the next
[1:16:09] episode the moment you hit play. I'll
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[1:16:12] watching all the way to the end. Didn't
[1:16:15] you love this? And don't you love
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[1:16:21] and [music] something that you can share
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[1:16:26] [music] simple steps to start healing
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