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Why Waiting to Feel Ready Keeps You Stuck on Healthy Habits

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Mark Hyman
Oct 28, 2026
8 min de leitura

De Mark Hyman, MD

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Two hosts sit under studio lights, and the first thing they do is talk about clothes. Mel Robbins, in a sparkly shirt, compliments Mark Hyman on his neutral brown sweater and on how well it matches the set. Hyman, who has spent much of his career on the physiology of health, has heard the feedback that he looks younger than his years, and he is not sure what to make of it. The banter is light, but it sets up the conversation that follows: what keeps a person engaged with their own life as the years pile up, and why so many people quietly decide the game is over. Their answer, which runs through the opening stretch of this long episode of The Dr. Hyman Show, is that you do not have to wait for the feeling before you start. You decide what you want, and then you act as though it is already in motion.

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Why Does Waiting to Feel Ready Keep People Stuck?

The sharpest line in the conversation comes early, and it is the one that frames everything else. Hyman put it bluntly on the show:

"Because a lot of us are waiting around for motivation. We're waiting to feel ready, but before the feeling, you have to have an intention about what you want, and you have to start acting as if you are going to cause that to happen."

He followed it with a line that is hard to shake: sitting around waiting to feel ready to take control of your health, change a job, or repair a relationship means you will be waiting for a long time. "Because if you had felt like it," he said, "you would have done it by now."

That second sentence is the real diagnosis. Most people who want to exercise more, eat differently, or get their health back on track have not failed to understand the goal. They have made the start conditional on a internal state that rarely arrives on schedule. Motivation is real, but it is inconsistent. It shows up after a good night's sleep, a win, or a conversation that lifts your mood, and it disappears under stress, fatigue, and the ordinary friction of a Tuesday. If your plan requires it, the plan will fail on the days you most need it.

The alternative they describe is not willpower in the grinding sense. It is a sequence: name the intention, then behave in a way consistent with it, and let action generate the momentum that the feeling was supposed to supply first. This reverses the usual order. Instead of "I'll start when I feel ready," the rule becomes "I've decided what I'm after, so today I do the first small thing."

Where Should Motivation Come From?

Later in the episode, the conversation turns to the source of motivation itself. The question is not how to generate more of it, but where it is anchored. A reason that comes from outside, such as a doctor's warning, a partner's disapproval, or a number on a scale, tends to be fragile. A reason that is specific and personal holds up better over time.

Hyman offers a personal version of this in the description that accompanies the episode. He writes that he knows how hard it can be to start again, and that during his recovery from back surgery, even the smallest movements took effort. What helped him keep going was having something he wanted to get back to. Being able to play with his grandson, he says, gives him a reason to keep building strength today. The example matters because it shows the mechanism at work. The reason was not a health statistic. It was a concrete picture of a life he wanted to be living.

That is the practical core of intention as the two speakers use it. An intention is not a vague wish to be healthier. It is a specific answer to the question "What do I actually want?" Robbins and Hyman return to this framing repeatedly, and it is worth testing against your own situation. If you cannot say what you want your days to look like in five years, a habit plan built around nutrition or movement will feel arbitrary, and you will abandon it the first time it becomes inconvenient.

Why Does the Feeling Never Come First?

Robbins picks up the same thread from the vantage point of her own career. She described the trajectory that Hyman summarized in the conversation: from lawyer and public defender, to life coach, to media personality, to host of a podcast and author of The Let Them Theory. None of those transitions began with a clear sense that the next step would feel good. They began with a decision and a willingness to act before certainty arrived.

Robbins also made a point that reframes age entirely. "Throw whatever number your age is out the window," she told Hyman. "It doesn't matter. It truly doesn't matter." She listed the things people often treat as disqualifying: never having climbed a flight of stairs, a long stretch of unemployment, letting yourself go while caring for others, recovering from a diagnosis. Her argument was that none of these closes the door. The starting point is wherever you are standing.

Hyman adds an observation about the broader pattern. As people get older, he suggests, many lose motivation, purpose, and a sense of possibility. The conversation does not treat that loss as inevitable. It treats it as something people can reconnect with, and it does so by returning to intention and small, repeatable actions rather than to some dramatic reinvention.

How Do Your Surroundings and Your Attention Shape What You Do?

One of the more useful threads is Robbins's point about attention. She observed that podcasting is one of the few forms of media that requires a deliberate act. "There is an intentional act by the person who is listening or who's watching," she said, to press play rather than let something run in the background. She read that choice as a signal: someone who presses play on a health conversation is already telling themselves they want to feel better and learn. The same logic applies to daily life. Where you direct your attention, and what you let run in the background, quietly shapes what you do next.

This is where the phrase "how our surroundings shape our habits," which the episode's own description highlights, becomes concrete. Environment is not a side issue. A healthy choice that requires three steps and a search for ingredients is competing with a choice that requires none. Removing friction from the good option, and adding it to the habit you want to drop, is an intention made physical.

How Do You Support Someone Who Resists Your Help?

Near the middle of the episode, the conversation moves to relationships, and this is where the intention framework gets tested. The question of how to help someone you love without trying to control their choices is one the two speakers take seriously. Robbins suggests that the most useful support often sounds simple: tell the person you are available. "If you need my support, you just let me know," is the kind of plain offer that leaves the decision with them. It is hard to say and easy to resent, but it respects the other person's agency in a way that nagging does not.

The implication extends to our own reactions. Much of the energy people lose to other people's opinions goes into trying to manage outcomes that were never theirs to control. Setting an intention about your own actions is the one lever you fully hold. Everything else you can influence, but you cannot make another adult change.

Where to go from here

If you take one practical step from this conversation, make it the one Hyman keeps returning to: stop treating the feeling of readiness as a prerequisite. Write down, in specific terms, what you want your life to look like in a few years. Then choose one action that is consistent with that picture and do it today, even if you do not feel like it. Notice what changes in your attention and surroundings when you do. Let the momentum build from the action rather than waiting for the motivation to hand it to you.

For the full conversation, including the parts about sleep, stress, and relationships that these notes only touch on, listen to the complete episode of The Dr. Hyman Show and read the show notes Hyman published alongside it. Robbins's book The Let Them Theory is the natural next stop for readers who want to work on the relationship side of this framework.

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[0:00] Because a lot of us are waiting around

[0:02] for motivation. We're waiting to feel

[0:05] ready, but before the feeling, you have

[0:09] to have an intention about what you

[0:11] want, and you have to start acting

[0:13] [music] as if you are going to cause

[0:16] that to happen. Sitting around waiting

[0:18] to feel ready [music] to take control of

[0:20] your health or to change your job or

[0:22] relationship, you're going to be sitting

[0:23] around waiting until you die. Because if

[0:25] [music] you had felt like it, you would

[0:27] have done it by now.

[0:28] >> Before we jump into today's episode, I

[0:30] want to take a moment to share some

[0:31] really exciting news with you. The

[0:33] Doctor Hyman Show has just won four

[0:35] Signal Awards. Our conversation with

[0:37] Doctors Ray Dorsey and Michael Owen

[0:38] about Rethinking Parkinson's, well, that

[0:40] took home the gold for thought

[0:41] leadership. And our live conversation

[0:43] with Halle Berry at Eudaimonia won

[0:45] silver for best live podcast recording.

[0:48] And what makes this especially

[0:49] meaningful is that both episodes also

[0:51] won listeners' choice awards, voted on

[0:54] by you, our audience. I want to say a

[0:56] huge thank you to everyone who listens,

[0:57] shares our episodes, and supports the

[0:59] show. And of course, to our incredible

[1:00] guests and the team behind the scenes

[1:02] who make these conversations possible.

[1:04] Our mission is to empower you to take

[1:06] charge of your health, and I'm so

[1:08] grateful you're part of this community.

[1:09] If you haven't had a chance to listen to

[1:11] either of these award-winning

[1:12] conversations, we'll include links to

[1:14] both episodes in the show notes below so

[1:16] you can check them out. Now, let's get

[1:18] into today's episode. So, Mel, welcome

[1:20] back to the podcast. So good to have you

[1:21] here.

[1:22] >> It's so great to see you, and I have to

[1:24] say you look very handsome on that set,

[1:26] [music] and you have matched the set

[1:29] perfectly

[1:30] >> with a a nice neutral [music] brown

[1:32] sweater. You look very healthy,

[1:34] >> Yes.

[1:34] >> which is on brand for you.

[1:36] >> It is. And you know what? Well, that is

[1:37] exactly the topic I want to talk about,

[1:39] which is how do we get better as we get

[1:41] older? And and I've been, you know,

[1:43] getting a lot of feedback that I look

[1:44] better than ever at almost 67, which is

[1:47] confusing to me cuz I'm, you know, on

[1:48] Medicare.

[1:49] >> Wait, you're 67?

[1:51] >> in a month. Yeah, I'm actually 67.

[1:54] I'm a grandpa.

[1:56] >> What?

[1:57] >> right? I know. I know.

[1:58] >> Well, congratulations on being a new

[2:00] grandpa, but I just want to take a

[2:02] moment and say you do look fantastic. I

[2:05] have known you for probably a decade and

[2:08] you seem more vibrant and alive and

[2:11] there is a lot of vitality and energy

[2:16] that is radiating from you.

[2:18] >> Thank you. I got I've been getting that

[2:19] feedback and I think it's true. And I

[2:21] think it's really about not giving up on

[2:23] life. Like like grabbing life by the

[2:25] horns at any age and going it's not

[2:28] over. You know, I could be like retired.

[2:29] I have enough money. I don't need to

[2:30] work another day.

[2:32] But I'm excited about life. I'm excited

[2:34] about what I'm doing in the world. I'm

[2:35] excited about how I can contribute to,

[2:37] you know, as as Common said to to know

[2:39] where I'm going to put my one grain of

[2:41] spiritual sand on the universal scales

[2:43] of humanity. Like that matters to me and

[2:45] it gets me about a bed every day.

[2:47] And it gets me in the gym in the

[2:48] morning. It gets me, you know, taking my

[2:49] vitamins and doing my things and it's

[2:51] not like a job for me. It's just it's

[2:53] it's actually generative and I was just

[2:55] thinking about, you know, both our

[2:56] careers were we were kind of late

[2:58] bloomers.

[2:59] >> [laughter]

[3:00] >> You know, you started the podcast at 54.

[3:03] I started mine at, you know, 59 or

[3:05] something. [laughter]

[3:06] And you know, we we keep we keep

[3:08] expanding. We keep growing. We keep

[3:09] learning. We keep discovering about

[3:10] ourselves and we keep moving forward in

[3:13] a way that actually allows us to be

[3:15] enlivened and also like

[3:17] us to contribute to the world in a way.

[3:18] And I think a lot of people think that

[3:20] when you get older

[3:21] you sort of the game's over. Like okay,

[3:23] I'm on Medicare now. Okay, well, I

[3:25] should be like doing shuffleboard in

[3:27] Miami Beach, you know,

[3:28] >> [laughter]

[3:28] >> like my grandfather.

[3:30] But I'm not and I and I think, you know,

[3:32] you're not either. You're just getting

[3:34] going it feels like to me.

[3:35] >> Well, I think it's extraordinary just

[3:37] for the person who's listening or

[3:38] watching us right now to really put into

[3:41] context that the majority of the people

[3:44] that know me

[3:46] only know me because of what I've done

[3:49] in the last 3 and 1/2 years in my late

[3:51] 50s.

[3:51] >> Yeah.

[3:52] >> And that's a very important thing

[3:54] because you said that part of it is

[3:57] realizing that you don't need to give up

[3:59] on the game and here's the thing, you

[4:01] get to set the rules about what game you

[4:03] want to play.

[4:05] And I'm going to take a guess, Mark, and

[4:06] say that if you're listening or watching

[4:10] this right now, if you're a fan of Dr.

[4:12] Hyman's, it's because you want a little

[4:15] of what he's got.

[4:17] You want to know the the the the mix of

[4:19] No, I'm I'm I'm dead serious because

[4:21] the thing about podcasting that most

[4:24] people don't really think about is

[4:25] there's very few forms of media in

[4:28] today's world

[4:29] that you have to intentionally

[4:32] commit to. There is an intentional act

[4:35] by the person who is listening or who's

[4:36] watching, who's here with us right now,

[4:39] to press play on this instead of some

[4:43] other type of show that you might pass

[4:45] the time in the background or whatever.

[4:47] It's not really contributing to your

[4:48] life other than distracting you and

[4:50] making you laugh a little bit, which has

[4:51] value. But if you're choosing to listen

[4:54] to this or to watch this, it tells me

[4:57] something about you. It tells me that

[4:58] you want to feel better. You want to do

[5:01] better. You want to have the vibrancy

[5:04] and the energy that Dr. Hyman has. You

[5:08] are a person who is interested in

[5:10] learning. And so, just that intention

[5:13] and spending your time trying to educate

[5:17] and empower yourself about small choices

[5:19] that you can make in order to extend not

[5:23] just the years of your life, but the

[5:25] quality and the vibrancy of the years

[5:28] that you are living those, you know, the

[5:30] rest of your life. That's why somebody's

[5:32] listening right now. And so, I think

[5:34] it's really cool that as busy as you are

[5:37] and as, you know, you are pulled in so

[5:40] many directions that you are taking time

[5:43] to create a show that allows people to

[5:47] educate themselves and to feel inspired.

[5:50] And you're also setting an example, Dr.

[5:52] Hyman. So, you know, I think it's really

[5:54] great that that we're going to talk

[5:56] about some little things you can do

[5:57] today that, you know, you may not look

[5:59] as good as Dr.

[6:00] >> [laughter]

[6:01] >> But you could always just put on a

[6:02] sparkly shirt like I'm wearing to to

[6:04] exude energy. [laughter]

[6:08] >> Oh my god. Yeah, I mean right back at

[6:10] you Mel. I think the same goes for you

[6:12] as well and I think you know what as I'm

[6:14] thinking about what you're saying

[6:15] I think a lot of people as they get

[6:17] older they lose motivation, they lose

[6:18] purpose, they lose like sense of

[6:20] possibility in their life and what's

[6:22] ahead and I'm curious about how how do

[6:24] people reconnect to that? You've done

[6:26] it, I've done it. I know how it's come

[6:28] about for me but I'm very curious how

[6:30] you coach people around this cuz you

[6:31] know you went from being a lawyer and a

[6:33] public defender to being a life coach to

[6:36] being like a media

[6:38] personality in your own show to end up

[6:40] doing your podcast and so like you

[6:42] really

[6:43] and now your incredibly best-selling

[6:45] book Let Them has really laid the

[6:47] groundwork for how people can think

[6:48] about having a life that's more

[6:50] generative and less caught up in drama

[6:53] and chaos and you know just

[6:55] misunderstanding of how the world works.

[6:56] So how how do you coach people on on the

[6:58] idea that that it's not too late to have

[7:01] a happy life.

[7:03] You can't you don't have to give up at

[7:04] any age.

[7:05] >> Well, first of all just throw whatever

[7:06] number your age is out the window.

[7:08] It doesn't matter. It truly doesn't

[7:10] matter. It doesn't matter

[7:12] if you've never climbed a flight of

[7:14] stairs, it doesn't matter if you've been

[7:17] unemployed for a while, if you've let

[7:18] yourself go because you've been busy

[7:20] taking care of everybody else, if you're

[7:22] recovering from some kind of diagnosis,

[7:24] it truly doesn't matter because one of

[7:26] the extraordinary things and you know

[7:28] this because you're a medical doctor

[7:30] Dr. Hyman but you know after

[7:32] interviewing more than 400

[7:33] world-renowned scientific and medical

[7:35] experts on my show one thing that I know

[7:38] to be true

[7:39] is that the human

[7:42] design, your body, your brain, your

[7:45] physiology has this incredible capacity

[7:49] to change and grow and get stronger and

[7:51] more vibrant for the rest of your life.

[7:55] If you are breathing, it is not too

[7:57] late. That even if you've never lifted a

[8:00] weight and you're 92 years old, if you

[8:02] start picking up the big tomato cans and

[8:06] >> you start doing some bicep curls, that

[8:09] little bit of tension on your muscles,

[8:11] your muscles will respond. You're

[8:12] designed that way. And so, I think the

[8:15] very first thing

[8:17] that you need to ask yourself is, what

[8:20] do you really want? Like, forget about

[8:22] the rearview mirror, forget about the

[8:24] past. Starting today and moving forward,

[8:28] what do you want? And if you don't know

[8:32] the answer to that question, then I'm

[8:35] going to push you a little bit. Because

[8:37] if you can't answer it in the positive,

[8:40] you absolutely can answer it in the

[8:43] negative.

[8:44] If there are aspects of your health that

[8:46] you no longer want to live with, I'm

[8:48] tired of feeling fat. I'm tired of being

[8:51] out of shape. I'm tired of being winded

[8:54] when I climb up the stairs. I'm tired of

[8:57] beating myself up. Knowing what you

[8:59] don't want is a terrific place to start

[9:02] because then you can just flip it, as

[9:04] dumb as it sounds, "Well, if I don't

[9:07] want to constantly feel like I'm out of

[9:09] breath, then clearly what I want is for

[9:12] the rest of my life, I want to be the

[9:14] kind of person

[9:16] that puts my health first." Because here

[9:19] is a truth.

[9:20] If you don't have your health,

[9:23] you don't have your life.

[9:25] Your health is the defining factor,

[9:29] probably more than just about anything

[9:31] else, when it comes to your sense of

[9:35] satisfaction of your life, your ability

[9:37] to participate, how you feel about

[9:39] yourself. And so, if I could urge you to

[9:42] do one thing as you're listening to

[9:44] this, it's to ask yourself, "What do I

[9:45] really want?"

[9:46] >> Mhm.

[9:47] >> And how do What kind of person do I want

[9:49] to be

[9:51] for the next decade of my life?

[9:54] I'd start with intention and your

[9:57] identity, not who you've been. Oh, I've

[9:59] always been kind of a lazy person that

[10:00] didn't do this, that, or the other. Oh,

[10:01] I could never get a handle on it. No,

[10:03] no, no. What is it that you want looking

[10:05] forward?

[10:06] And talk to me about the kind of person

[10:10] who does that because a lot of us are

[10:13] waiting around for motivation.

[10:15] >> Yeah.

[10:15] >> We're waiting to feel ready, but before

[10:18] the feeling

[10:21] you have to have an intention about what

[10:24] you want and you have to start acting as

[10:27] if

[10:29] you are going to cause that to happen.

[10:30] Sitting around waiting to feel ready to

[10:33] take control of your health or to change

[10:35] your job or relationship, you're going

[10:37] to be sitting around waiting until you

[10:38] die because if you had felt like it, you

[10:41] would have done it by now.

[10:42] >> Yeah, that's so true, Mel. I think, you

[10:44] know, we we kind of focus on what we

[10:45] want going forward and and I think, you

[10:47] know, to highlight what you said, it

[10:50] it's never too late. I didn't start

[10:51] lifting weights until I was 59. When I

[10:52] was 50, I couldn't do 10 push-ups. I

[10:54] couldn't do one pull-up. And now I'm

[10:56] crushing it.

[10:56] >> Wait, can you say that louder for us?

[10:58] You couldn't do a push-up at 50?

[11:00] >> do I 10 push-ups, it would crush me and

[11:02] then I'd be sore for a week and then I

[11:04] wouldn't do it anymore. And at 50 at 50,

[11:06] I couldn't do one pull-up. And now I can

[11:09] do like 15 pull-ups, probably 75

[11:11] push-ups and and like I'm getting older.

[11:14] >> 75? Now you're just bragging. [laughter]

[11:16] Here he goes. That's incre But see here

[11:18] But here I'm joking, but here's the

[11:20] thing. I can't do I can't do 15 pull-ups

[11:23] and I can't do 75 push-ups, but here's

[11:26] what I can do. I can do a dead hang for

[11:29] 30 seconds. I can do about 20 push-ups,

[11:33] you know, elevated against a bench, but

[11:35] even hearing you say you went from

[11:37] basically zero and being a twig that I

[11:40] could snap in half with my pinky finger

[11:43] >> to a dude that can Yeah. Yeah, a dude

[11:45] that can do 75 push-ups, that proves the

[11:48] point I'm making.

[11:49] >> Yeah.

[11:50] >> If you get clear about what you want. I

[11:52] want to be stronger in this decade. I

[11:53] want to have energy to dance at every

[11:55] wedding. I want to put my suitcase in

[11:57] the overhead by myself as I get older. I

[12:00] want to be able to, you know, open jars

[12:02] and change light bulbs.

[12:04] >> I I want to be able to play with him,

[12:06] you know.

[12:06] >> Yes.

[12:06] >> And not be like

[12:07] >> Yes, and this is also really important.

[12:09] So, we've already talked about you You

[12:11] to get clear about your intention. What

[12:12] do you want?

[12:13] You've got to start to think about,

[12:15] okay, the kind of person that has what I

[12:17] want, what kind of person is that? What

[12:20] do they do during the day? What are the

[12:22] What are the habits that that person

[12:24] has? And then, the third piece of this

[12:26] is, you start acting as if you're

[12:30] already that person, even though you

[12:31] don't feel like that person. And it's

[12:33] not going to feel easy. You should

[12:34] expect it to feel hard. This comes from

[12:36] Dr. K, uh, who's a Harvard-trained

[12:38] psychiatrist who taught me more about

[12:40] motivation than just about anybody else.

[12:42] He basically says, "When you think about

[12:45] motivation in the brain, we're basically

[12:47] all driving a car, stepping on the

[12:49] brake, wishing it would drive forward."

[12:51] And what we don't understand is that our

[12:53] brains are adaptable, they can change,

[12:57] but really they like to do the thing

[12:59] that's easy.

[12:59] >> Mhm.

[13:00] >> And it's never going to feel easy to do

[13:03] something you've never done before. And

[13:04] so, it's very important to understand

[13:06] that when you go, "Okay, I actually

[13:09] would like to be able to do 10 push-ups.

[13:11] Oh, I'd like to lose some weight." What

[13:12] is a person who's done that? How do they

[13:14] start acting? Dr. K's advice is to

[13:17] basically say, "I know I don't want to

[13:19] do this. I'm doing it anyway."

[13:21] >> Yeah.

[13:21] >> Because I'm the kind of person

[13:24] who does this hard thing because I want

[13:28] to feel stronger in my life. And I know

[13:30] that this is the only way to get it. And

[13:33] marrying this sense of identity, not who

[13:36] you've been in the past, but who you're

[13:37] becoming, is a really big part of this,

[13:40] because I think the other mistake that

[13:41] I've made in the past, Mark, is, you

[13:43] know, I hear somebody like you going,

[13:45] "All right, I took my my control my

[13:46] health at 50. I started doing all this

[13:47] stuff." And then I'm like, "Oh, I should

[13:48] do that. Oh, I should do that. Oh, I

[13:50] should do that."

[13:51] >> Yeah.

[13:52] >> Well, if you don't have a deeply

[13:53] personal reason

[13:55] >> Mhm.

[13:56] >> why you want to,

[14:00] you're not going to do it, because you

[14:03] are basically tying the difficult thing

[14:05] you need to do, whether it's cutting out

[14:07] sugar. I mean, it could be a million

[14:09] things that that you want to do to feel

[14:11] better in your life, you're basically

[14:14] tying it to a punishment, that there's

[14:16] something wrong with you, and I want you

[14:18] to change the source of motivation

[14:21] to something personal that's like, "No,

[14:22] I have a vision for the kind of person I

[14:24] want to be, and I realize that's not

[14:26] going to fall out of the the sky, and

[14:29] you know, no unicorns flying into this

[14:31] room and stabbing me in the face with

[14:33] the horn on their face in order to hit

[14:35] me with the magic dust to make me do

[14:37] this."

[14:38] I realize that there's a deeply personal

[14:41] reason why I want to do it. I I want to

[14:44] share with you some interesting

[14:44] research. You may know this, but for all

[14:46] the women who are listening or watching,

[14:49] or if you're watching and you've got

[14:50] women in your life that you love, share

[14:52] this with them. There was this

[14:53] fascinating study that they did around

[14:55] motivation in women exercising. And I

[14:57] don't remember who did it. I I we

[14:59] covered this on the podcast recently,

[15:00] but I found it to be so cool that when

[15:04] in this research study, a certain group

[15:06] of women

[15:08] were making the reason why they were

[15:10] exercising

[15:11] personal time.

[15:13] Not because they needed to lose weight.

[15:15] Not because, you know, they got to get

[15:17] their hormones in check. "But I exercise

[15:20] every day because it's the only time I

[15:22] get for me.

[15:24] It's my time. The dog doesn't need me,

[15:27] the kids don't need me, I don't have to

[15:29] be at work. This is the time I protect

[15:31] for me. It's not about losing weight,

[15:33] it's not about getting healthier."

[15:35] They were more motivated, more

[15:36] consistent, and actually started to feel

[15:41] like they were looking forward to it.

[15:43] And it makes sense because when the

[15:45] reason why you're doing something is

[15:48] tied to a deeply personal thing for you,

[15:52] now you're tapping into the internal

[15:55] intrinsic motivation for why this

[15:57] matters to do it. And that helps you on

[15:59] those days that you just don't want to.

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[17:47] resistance to changing things and do

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[17:50] particularly around health. I mean it's

[17:52] why America's, you know, 93% of us are

[17:54] metabolically healthy, 75% overweight,

[17:57] chronic disease affects six out of 10 of

[17:59] us. I mean it's it's quite a tragic

[18:02] place we're in. I mean $6 trillion we're

[18:04] spending on mostly preventable disease.

[18:06] And people walk around feeling like

[18:07] crap. I call it FLC syndrome when you

[18:09] feel like crap. And there's a more

[18:10] serious version which is FLS.

[18:12] And a lot of people have it. And yet and

[18:15] yet the doorway to to health is is is

[18:17] pretty straightforward. It's not

[18:19] complicated. And yet you there's such a

[18:21] resistance. And but you you also

[18:23] famously said that motivation is sort of

[18:25] kind of a fallacy or it's kind of

[18:27] garbage and that there should be another

[18:28] approach. And I and I kind of want you

[18:30] to expand on that. And I often think

[18:32] that, you know, it goes back to this

[18:33] this idea that you have to

[18:36] act into the feeling, not feeling into

[18:37] the acting. And a lot of people wait to

[18:39] have a feeling before they act instead

[18:41] of moving toward a trajectory they want,

[18:44] even if they don't feel like it. And I

[18:45] I've been there. I I had a really

[18:47] life-changing

[18:49] experience, almost died a year and a

[18:50] half ago, had back surgery, lost 25 lb,

[18:53] was in a wheelchair. I couldn't walk

[18:55] without uh, you know, anybody holding me

[18:57] up or walker.

[18:59] And I literally had to start from zero.

[19:01] And and I did not feel like doing

[19:04] anything. I just felt like laying in

[19:05] bed, taking drugs, and watching TV. But

[19:08] every day I would go, "Okay,

[19:09] >> That sounds like my 20s.

[19:10] >> [laughter]

[19:12] >> I mean, I don't mean illegal drugs. I

[19:14] mean, like the painkillers I was on.

[19:16] >> [laughter]

[19:17] >> I mean, I just like numbing out cuz

[19:20] where what state I was in was so bad. I

[19:22] my hemoglobin was seven. I lost half my

[19:23] blood volume. I was exhausted. I was

[19:26] depressed. My hormones were in the

[19:27] toilet. My testosterone was like a

[19:28] hundred, which was like a 90-year-old

[19:30] guy. I was just a I was a mess. And I

[19:33] and I literally had to get up,

[19:35] you know, with help, and I would go to

[19:36] the gym. I would get my physical

[19:38] therapist work with me. I'd be laying on

[19:39] the floor and I'd put a little band

[19:41] around my knees. And I would just open

[19:42] my knees a little bit. And I could do a

[19:43] few, you know, knee spreads and and that

[19:46] was it. And then I would do the next

[19:47] thing and the next thing. I just did

[19:48] every day. And I didn't feel like it.

[19:50] But I I I and I don't I feel like that

[19:52] was my motivation. But I I I I hear you

[19:54] saying that, you you know, the way we

[19:56] think about motivation is wrong. So, I

[19:57] want you to kind of help us understand

[19:59] what you mean by that.

[19:59] >> So, you can waste decades of your life

[20:02] waiting to feel ready to do something.

[20:04] And let's just take an example we can

[20:05] all relate to.

[20:07] The alarm goes off first thing in the

[20:09] morning.

[20:10] And because you've gotten out of bed

[20:13] every morning of your life,

[20:15] it should technically be pretty easy

[20:18] when the alarm goes off

[20:20] just to roll right out of to

[20:22] But have you ever noticed that there are

[20:24] just those mornings that the alarm goes

[20:27] off,

[20:28] and instead of just rolling out of bed,

[20:30] what do you do?

[20:31] You lay there,

[20:33] and you think about how you feel

[20:37] about getting out of bed.

[20:39] And that's the trap.

[20:41] That when you stop and consider how you

[20:45] feel about doing something,

[20:48] it takes less than 5 seconds

[20:51] for you to talk yourself out of it.

[20:55] And this is the most normal

[20:58] human [snorts] experience.

[21:01] It's this habit of hesitating

[21:04] in the smallest moments

[21:06] when you know what you should do,

[21:09] but instead of doing it, you stop and

[21:12] think,

[21:14] "How do I feel about doing it?" You

[21:16] know, you could be at work, and you're

[21:18] in a meeting, and you have something to

[21:19] say, but instead of saying it, you stop

[21:21] and think about whether or not you

[21:23] should say it. And then you talk

[21:25] yourself out of it. And so, you know,

[21:27] there are there are big decisions in

[21:28] life, like getting married, signing

[21:30] contracts, things that have implications

[21:33] to them that you should stop and think

[21:34] about, and you should consider the right

[21:36] decision.

[21:37] But, 99% of the things that you've got

[21:40] to do day in and day out, particularly

[21:42] the things that impact your health,

[21:44] we tend to, in those moments, either do

[21:48] the easy thing, because that's what we

[21:50] feel like doing,

[21:51] or opt out of the hard thing because we

[21:54] don't feel ready to do it.

[21:56] >> Mhm.

[21:57] >> And I

[21:58] believe that your whole life comes down

[22:01] to these 5-second windows.

[22:02] >> Yeah.

[22:03] >> These windows where you know what you

[22:06] should do. I should I should really

[22:07] order the salad with the grilled chicken

[22:10] or the salmon, cuz, you know, I listened

[22:11] to Dr.

[22:12] Hyman's podcast, and it's just

[22:15] listening's not making me healthy. I

[22:16] really got to apply some of this stuff.

[22:18] And so, you're there, and then you're

[22:19] like, "Ah, screw it. I'll have the beer

[22:22] and the burger, and I'm going to get the

[22:24] truffle fries, you know, add the extra

[22:26] cheese, and that was your feeling

[22:31] ordering it. Can you have that

[22:32] occasionally? Of course, but

[22:35] your life is the accumulation of the

[22:38] decisions that you make, and what's

[22:40] exciting about understanding this

[22:42] 5-second window

[22:44] is that if you know you're always going

[22:46] to kind of hesitate, that's just how

[22:48] we're designed.

[22:49] If you can move within 5 seconds and

[22:52] make the harder choice or make the

[22:54] healthier choice,

[22:56] those hard decisions and choices, going

[22:59] to the gym, getting out the door for the

[23:00] walk, putting down the brownie, and, you

[23:03] know, picking up the zero-calorie

[23:06] seltzer, cutting out the alcohol, all

[23:08] the little things that we know we need

[23:10] to do, but we never feel like doing it.

[23:12] Like, I've often thought, you know,

[23:13] Mark,

[23:15] just imagine if you did all the things

[23:16] you don't feel like doing.

[23:18] You'd have everything you've ever

[23:19] wanted.

[23:20] >> Probably.

[23:21] >> It It like like it would for real. And I

[23:23] I I can only say this because I used to

[23:26] be 1,000% driven by my feelings.

[23:29] >> Yeah.

[23:29] >> And then I was also pissed off and upset

[23:32] that I didn't have the results that I

[23:33] saw other people getting, whether it was

[23:35] getting out of debt, or it was being in

[23:38] better shape, or it was being a calmer,

[23:41] more peaceful, in control person.

[23:43] And the reason I didn't have the things

[23:46] that I wanted is because I was losing

[23:48] the battle

[23:50] every day, all day long with my

[23:51] feelings. I let my feelings dictate

[23:54] my choices, rather than stopping and

[23:56] going, "Okay, what do I want?" Let's get

[23:58] intentional about what you want. Answer

[24:00] the question, because if you don't know

[24:01] what you want,

[24:03] you're always going to be lost.

[24:05] You cannot hit a target without creating

[24:08] one.

[24:09] And so, when you answer the question,

[24:10] "What do I actually want?" and then you

[24:12] back up and you say, "Well, I know how I

[24:14] act, but how does a person

[24:16] who has those things act in their

[24:18] day-to-day life, and what are some

[24:20] different choices that I know I'm not

[24:21] going to feel like making?"

[24:23] >> Mhm.

[24:23] >> that I could start making, so I start

[24:25] acting like that person now.

[24:29] That's the formula. Like that's it.

[24:31] >> And you talk about this 5-second rule

[24:32] and and so how does someone catch

[24:34] themselves in the moment instead of

[24:36] ordering the burger or the salmon or the

[24:38] broccoli?

[24:38] >> [laughter]

[24:39] >> How do How do you practically do that?

[24:41] >> So I think it's it's a great question

[24:43] and this is why being intentional is

[24:46] really important.

[24:47] Because if you don't know what you want,

[24:50] you actually are on autopilot in those

[24:53] moments.

[24:55] And so really getting clear with

[24:56] yourself. If I think about the next 10

[24:59] years of my life, what do I want my life

[25:01] to look and feel like? What are some

[25:03] things I want to experience? What kind

[25:04] of person do I want to be? What are some

[25:06] of the goals and the changes that I want

[25:08] to make that would make me healthier and

[25:10] happier? I mean, you know, cuz the fact

[25:12] is

[25:13] you get one life.

[25:15] Why wouldn't you

[25:17] allow yourself

[25:18] to enjoy it?

[25:20] You get one shot at this.

[25:23] Why wouldn't you wake up and start to

[25:26] take it seriously, especially if you're

[25:28] getting older like me and Dr. Hyman?

[25:30] I mean, time is like an ice cube on a

[25:32] kitchen counter. It's melting.

[25:35] One minute it's there, the next minute

[25:36] it's like a puddle on the counter. What

[25:38] the hell are you waiting for?

[25:39] And so I hope you wake up and get

[25:41] serious about the time that you have

[25:43] left because when you get clear about

[25:45] what you want, not only can your body

[25:48] change, not only can your health change,

[25:51] but the world has a funny way of rising

[25:54] up and supporting you in the changes

[25:57] you're intentional about. So this

[25:58] 5-second rule is very simple. I invented

[26:01] it to help me get out of bed at a moment

[26:03] in my life where I was 41 and my husband

[26:05] and I were 800 grand in debt, liens on

[26:08] the house, I had lost my job, I had a

[26:10] million reasons to be mad at the world

[26:12] and upset with myself and my husband and

[26:14] I became a person I didn't recognize. I

[26:17] like you in the in the

[26:20] a post-surgery, only I did it to myself.

[26:22] >> Yeah.

[26:23] >> And I couldn't even blame doctors on it.

[26:25] Like I was the dummy that bankrupted

[26:27] myself. And so I was drinking myself

[26:30] into the ground. I didn't know what to

[26:33] do,

[26:35] and I realized that nobody else was

[26:38] going to come and fix my life.

[26:40] And if I wanted to keep this house that

[26:42] was about to be foreclosed on, if I

[26:46] wanted to keep my family together, if I

[26:49] wanted to become a different person, it

[26:51] was on me.

[26:53] And it started with getting out of bed,

[26:56] even though I didn't want to. I wanted

[26:59] to lay in bed and fall back asleep and

[27:02] avoid what I needed to do.

[27:05] And so I, in that period, was inspired

[27:09] by watching a rocket ship launch across

[27:11] a TV screen, and it's a dumb idea, but

[27:13] this is what happened. I just started

[27:15] counting backwards first thing in the

[27:16] morning, 5-4-3-2-1, and the moment I hit

[27:19] one, I had to move. That was the deal.

[27:21] And it works. And the reason why it

[27:23] works, I know this now, is because

[27:26] when you start counting backwards,

[27:28] 5-4-3-2-1,

[27:31] the moment you start counting,

[27:34] you've actually already decided to do

[27:36] the hard thing.

[27:37] And the counting backwards is such an

[27:40] intentional action that it silences

[27:43] all of the noise and feelings and

[27:45] organizes

[27:47] your attention

[27:49] on the action you need to take. That's

[27:51] why it works.

[27:53] And so, that's what you can use. And

[27:55] there's one more thing I'll add to this

[27:57] because it just normalizes

[28:00] this

[28:01] moment where your feelings take over.

[28:05] And I know that you're tired of talking

[28:07] yourself out of the things that you want

[28:09] in your life. I know you're tired of

[28:10] arguing against the changes you want to

[28:12] make.

[28:13] And you know, I'm going to point

[28:15] everybody to the most famous tagline in

[28:17] the world. It's Nike, just do it.

[28:20] And the reason why that tagline, just do

[28:22] it, is so powerful is because of one

[28:25] word. And it's not the word everybody

[28:27] thinks it is.

[28:28] See, imagine if it had been do it. Like

[28:31] that that that's like not inspiring.

[28:33] That's an order.

[28:34] The word that makes that tagline so

[28:37] universally powerful is just.

[28:41] See, Nike knows every athlete stands on

[28:44] the sidelines and wants to get in the

[28:46] game, but what are they doing? They're

[28:48] questioning.

[28:49] They're doubting.

[28:50] They're hesitating. They're talking

[28:52] themselves out of it.

[28:54] Just do it.

[28:56] The just acknowledges how universal

[29:00] self-doubt is, how often your emotions

[29:04] rise up to block you from the things

[29:07] that you're capable of, and the really

[29:10] sick joke on all of us is the fact that

[29:13] your feelings come first, and they're

[29:16] always going to be there, particularly

[29:18] when you're doing something new.

[29:20] And just do it and 5-4-3-2-1

[29:23] reminds you

[29:25] that it's your actions that change

[29:27] everything. It's your actions that push

[29:29] through the fear. It's your actions that

[29:32] move you through the self-doubt,

[29:35] and it's the actions that start to not

[29:38] only build your confidence and a bit of

[29:40] momentum, but they prove to you

[29:44] that you're becoming somebody new.

[29:47] >> Yeah, I mean, it's it's a really

[29:49] important what you're saying because I I

[29:50] just want to unpack a few things that

[29:51] you said. You You said earlier that, you

[29:54] know, health is a foundation for

[29:55] building the rest of your life cuz you

[29:57] feel like crap, it's going to be hard to

[29:58] do anything. So, that's number one. And

[30:00] number two,

[30:02] you kind of hinted without saying it

[30:03] that that it's important to create a

[30:05] life vision or a design for your life so

[30:08] that you have somewhere you're headed

[30:10] towards rather than just another day.

[30:12] And that that is what kind of will drive

[30:14] you forward even when you don't, quote,

[30:16] feel like it. And that'll help you to,

[30:18] you know, act on things even if you

[30:20] don't actually feel like that. And that

[30:22] is so important about your health. And I

[30:24] think for so many of my patients,

[30:26] they've said to me, "Dr. Hyman, I didn't

[30:27] know I was feeling so bad until I

[30:29] started feeling so good." Cuz often

[30:30] people walk around normalizing feeling

[30:32] bad.

[30:33] And sometimes it's a disease, sometimes

[30:35] it's just feeling like crap or brain fog

[30:36] or tired or gut issues or whatever it

[30:38] is. And second, you know, the

[30:40] patients have said to me they didn't

[30:42] realize how close they were to feeling

[30:43] better. Like most people are just a few

[30:45] days away from feeling better. You know,

[30:46] I've created something called the 10-day

[30:47] detox where

[30:48] >> Oh my god, I love that.

[30:49] >> Yeah, it's amazing. And people just

[30:51] actually

[30:51] >> I love that.

[30:52] >> transform their health and I think

[30:54] people don't know how close they are to

[30:56] feeling better if they just make a few

[30:57] changes. And so

[30:59] I I think your process of of helping

[31:01] people understand, you know, what their

[31:04] intention is, where they're going, and

[31:05] then moving in that direction is so key.

[31:08] And the hardest part is really to get

[31:09] started on your health. And I think, you

[31:11] know, I think, you know, healthy

[31:13] behaviors are

[31:14] things that have to become habits. And

[31:17] it's not a one-off. It's not, you know,

[31:19] it's not just doing one walk once a

[31:21] year. It's It's the little daily

[31:23] compounding interest that really makes a

[31:24] difference of what you eat, of how much

[31:27] you exercise, and how you exercise, of

[31:28] your sleep, and how you navigate stress,

[31:30] your your how you navigate your

[31:31] thoughts, the whole let them let me kind

[31:33] of theory that you have, which we'll get

[31:35] into, is so important cuz that ends so

[31:37] much unnecessary mental suffering.

[31:40] Um And and so those are really

[31:42] foundational things. So I guess I want

[31:44] to help help us understand from your

[31:46] perspective how people can start to

[31:47] really create these sustainable behavior

[31:49] changes and how knowing information

[31:51] about their body, like through

[31:53] functional health, for example, which

[31:54] you've you've done your labs, your

[31:55] husband's done your labs, you've learned

[31:56] things about your body, to help you stay

[31:58] motivated to do things. How do How do

[32:00] you start to build a life where you

[32:01] where you actually continue to stay

[32:03] motivated to do these healthy behaviors?

[32:05] >> Okay. So big question, and here's the

[32:09] way that I think about it. First of all,

[32:12] I'm just going to come clean

[32:14] and tell everybody that I am a very

[32:17] negatively motivated person. [laughter]

[32:20] Meaning, I'm typically somebody, a lot

[32:23] of people are like this, that needs

[32:25] quite a bit of pain

[32:26] before I actually get the gumption to

[32:30] change something.

[32:30] >> Yeah, yeah, wait, wait a second. I have

[32:31] I have I have a I have a theory based on

[32:33] that, which is most people don't change

[32:35] >> Talk to me.

[32:36] >> have any pain syndrome.

[32:38] Any pain is not enough pain.

[32:40] >> [laughter]

[32:41] >> So, I've used that.

[32:42] >> Yet, not enough pain. It's true. You

[32:44] have to like some of us like let's just

[32:46] be on honest. Like sometimes you have to

[32:49] get to a point where you are so sick of

[32:52] your own BS.

[32:55] And you're so sick of yourself.

[32:58] That you've had enough.

[33:00] And so I just want to for those of you

[33:03] that are listening

[33:04] that have been finding it very hard to

[33:06] find positive reasons to take better

[33:09] care of yourself.

[33:11] You can

[33:13] allow things to get worse before they

[33:16] get better.

[33:18] Or you can force yourself to start

[33:21] feeling better before they get worse.

[33:23] >> Mhm.

[33:24] >> And what I will say is there has not

[33:27] been a day

[33:30] in my entire lifetime

[33:33] where I have wanted to

[33:37] or been motivated to exercise.

[33:40] >> [laughter]

[33:40] >> Not a single

[33:43] day.

[33:43] >> So, how do you do it then?

[33:45] >> I'll tell you how I do it. Because I I

[33:47] want to just bust the world's worst myth

[33:51] that 21 days of repeating something

[33:53] makes it a habit. No, it does not.

[33:56] 21 days of repeating something is a

[33:58] streak.

[34:00] If it's a habit, it means there's

[34:02] something about it that you either now

[34:04] enjoy so that internal resistance is

[34:07] gone and you've repeated it so many

[34:09] times that you just kind of do it

[34:12] without even thinking about it. Or

[34:15] you've gotten smart like I have and you

[34:18] realize you got to outsmart yourself.

[34:21] >> Mhm.

[34:21] >> You got to set traps for the old

[34:24] unhealthy unmotivated you. And so for

[34:27] me, I focus more

[34:30] on the environment

[34:32] and setting up my physical environment

[34:36] so that I don't have a choice. And let

[34:39] me let Let

[34:40] >> It's like

[34:40] >> through that duty free shop at the

[34:41] airports. They make you They make you go

[34:43] through it,

[34:44] >> [laughter]

[34:44] >> you know.

[34:44] >> Correct. Yes, of course. Because they

[34:46] want it because what's in front of you

[34:48] is what you're going to grab for. And

[34:50] so, like this is kind of common sense.

[34:53] If you wake up in the morning you're not

[34:54] motivated to exercise, here's a couple

[34:56] hacks that your friend Mel Robbins uses

[34:59] cuz I wake up in the morning I have a

[35:01] hard enough time getting out of bed and

[35:02] I invented the damn 54321. I still use

[35:05] it 16 years later because here's the

[35:07] important thing. There are things in

[35:09] your life

[35:12] that you need to do in order to have the

[35:14] life that you want that you may never

[35:18] ever feel like doing. I'll give you an

[35:21] example. I never feel like picking up

[35:23] the dog poop in our yard.

[35:26] But I would like to be able to run

[35:27] barefoot through the yard. I make myself

[35:31] do it.

[35:32] When I open up the dishwasher and it's

[35:34] clean and that puff of smoke comes out,

[35:37] right? You know what I want to do, Mark?

[35:39] Cuz I'm a selfish jerk. I want to shove

[35:41] the door back in and run away and

[35:43] pretend I didn't see it so my husband

[35:45] has to unload it. So there are things

[35:48] that I don't like doing that I make

[35:50] myself do.

[35:52] Right? And the same is true for you as

[35:54] you're listening or watching. So you

[35:56] know how to do things you don't want to

[35:57] do. So for me, here's a couple hacks

[36:00] that I have. Because I 54321 and get out

[36:03] of bed. And one of the other traps that

[36:06] I set for myself, Mark, is I put my

[36:08] phone across the room and my alarm is on

[36:10] it.

[36:11] So when the alarm goes off, I have a

[36:12] problem.

[36:14] I have to get out of bed to turn the

[36:15] alarm off.

[36:16] I have left myself no choice. Do you see

[36:18] how this works?

[36:20] Because I can't trust myself.

[36:22] When I walk into the closet, I've set up

[36:24] the environment so I have no choice.

[36:26] I've picked out the exercise clothes and

[36:28] laid them on the floor of the closet.

[36:31] Because now they're right there, I don't

[36:33] have to think. So I pull them on. I walk

[36:37] into the kitchen and out on the counter

[36:39] is my Mason jar and my creatine and my

[36:43] protein shot. I don't even have a

[36:44] choice.

[36:46] It's right there.

[36:47] What kind of a jerk am I to myself if I

[36:49] don't do it?

[36:51] And for exercise, I always pre-pick

[36:56] what I'm going to do. Because what I

[36:59] have found about myself is that is that

[37:01] if I go to a gym either in my house or

[37:06] at a hotel and I do not have a plan, I

[37:08] will walk in, do a loop, and leave.

[37:11] I won't do anything. I'll get

[37:12] overwhelmed and that will become the

[37:14] excuse. If I am going to walk today, I

[37:17] know I'm walking today and I have an

[37:19] audio book I'm going to listen to. And

[37:20] so, these are small ways, do you see

[37:23] what I'm doing? Where I'm using the

[37:25] environment to make it easier to queue

[37:28] myself to make the healthier choice. If

[37:31] you want to eat healthier, as dumb as it

[37:33] sounds,

[37:35] make sure unhealthy stuff isn't in your

[37:36] house. Like I was just complaining to my

[37:38] husband last night, "We don't have any

[37:39] cookies in this [snorts] house." Like I

[37:41] Why have we stopped buying dessert? I

[37:43] get so mad at night.

[37:45] >> We don't have anything sweet in the

[37:46] house.

[37:47] There's no ice cream. It's very

[37:48] upsetting.

[37:49] >> [laughter]

[37:49] >> There's no ice cream. And you know, you

[37:52] you can do this within reason, but the

[37:54] reason why I'm being funny about this

[37:56] is because I think we have thought about

[38:00] like we have we have demonized ourselves

[38:04] for not having willpower

[38:07] or determination or motivation and then

[38:09] we feel bad and we beat ourselves up and

[38:12] we feel even worse and that makes it

[38:13] harder to stop because we now have all

[38:15] this evidence that every time we've

[38:17] tried it hasn't worked. And so, I just

[38:20] got sick of beating myself up and I was

[38:21] like, "If I am going to really make

[38:25] healthier choices, especially as my

[38:26] hormones are changing,

[38:28] then what could I actually do

[38:31] to make this easier and a little bit

[38:34] more fun?

[38:35] Because if it's fun

[38:37] and if it's easy,

[38:39] then you're likely to do it. Life is

[38:42] hard enough and so I'd like to invite

[38:44] you as you're listening to think about

[38:46] whatever your health goal is, how could

[38:48] you make it easier? How could you make

[38:50] it visible? How could you make it more

[38:51] fun? How could you trap the old you? And

[38:55] how could you set up the environment,

[38:57] whether it's your bedroom or it's your

[38:59] kitchen or whatever it may be, so that

[39:02] and so that your your your set up for

[39:04] success. And I kid you not,

[39:06] picking the workout the night before or

[39:09] lining up what you're going to do for

[39:11] the next 7 days, it's game-changer

[39:14] because you don't have to think.

[39:16] >> Yeah, same thing with food. Just like

[39:17] having a few meals you make that you

[39:19] have the ingredients in the house. It's

[39:20] not It's not something you have to think

[39:21] about. It's easy. It's the default

[39:23] choice is the healthy choice as opposed

[39:25] to having a kitchen full of snacks and

[39:27] ice cream and cookies.

[39:28] >> Let me ask you this, Dr. Harmon. Have

[39:30] you noticed

[39:31] that

[39:33] the more boring

[39:35] your meals are,

[39:37] it's the same things,

[39:39] same five things you're making, you know

[39:41] what works for you. I basically eat the

[39:43] same

[39:45] two breakfasts 7 days a week.

[39:48] >> Yeah, me too.

[39:49] >> And and simplifying things

[39:52] so that you can make it easy and making

[39:55] it things that you like to eat. Like

[39:57] that It just

[39:58] there's something about

[40:00] health and making it a little boring and

[40:03] routine

[40:04] that gives you better results.

[40:06] >> It's true. You What you're saying is so

[40:07] important. You want to set up your

[40:08] environment to make the default choice

[40:10] the healthy choice. And most people

[40:11] don't do that. They do the opposite and

[40:14] and and you know, so when you're when

[40:15] you sort of have to get up out of bed to

[40:17] to turn your alarm off for you, you

[40:19] know, you have your workout all set up.

[40:20] You have your clothes there. You have

[40:21] your shake and your protein shot uh

[40:24] there and your creatine. Like you're

[40:25] going to do it. And if you don't have it

[40:27] there, you're going to uh screw it. I'm

[40:28] just going to

[40:29] >> Yes. I'll get it I'll get it later. And

[40:31] you mean to get it later, but then you

[40:33] forget and then you're running late and

[40:34] then this and then that. And so I just

[40:36] find having a little grace for yourself.

[40:39] >> One of the things people don't realize

[40:40] is that is that they're just a few days

[40:42] away from feeling better. And they don't

[40:43] realize what they're walking around

[40:44] with, whether it's brain fog or joint

[40:46] pain or gut issues or you know, just

[40:48] feeling like crap is something that they

[40:50] don't have to endure and live with, that

[40:52] these are signals from the body that

[40:54] they're not neces- listening to. And I

[40:55] think what what I I want to encourage

[40:57] all of us to do is start to listen to

[40:58] those signals and realize that they're

[40:59] they're clues. They're like your car

[41:01] making noises and you got to take it to

[41:03] the mechanic. It's not normal for your

[41:05] car to make a bunch of noises and you

[41:07] got to do something about it. And I

[41:08] think in the same way, and it's part of

[41:10] why I co-founded Function Health was to

[41:12] help people be empowered with their own

[41:13] health data to learn about what's going

[41:15] on and start to look and actually find

[41:17] solvable problems. Like you you know you

[41:19] mentioned your your husband when we were

[41:20] chatting earlier, you know, he found

[41:21] something on his results that he didn't

[41:23] know that is probably significantly

[41:24] affecting his health, his aging, his his

[41:26] motivation, his cognitive function, his

[41:28] energy, his sexual function, all of

[41:30] this.

[41:30] >> Yeah, he had low testosterone.

[41:31] >> Yeah. And that's something that, you

[41:32] know, you wouldn't know unless you Oh,

[41:34] I'm just kind of not so motivated. I

[41:35] feel a little depressed. I like I don't

[41:38] I'm not as sexually, you know, desirous

[41:40] as I was or whatever the thing is, you

[41:42] just normalize these things that are not

[41:43] normal. And I I can tell you like I like

[41:46] I'm 60 almost 67. Like I feel better

[41:48] than I've ever felt and, you know, I

[41:50] maybe when I was 25 I felt good.

[41:52] But I'm like after medical school,

[41:54] residency, working, it's like this is

[41:56] it's incredible to see how the body can

[41:58] respond. And you mentioned you know

[41:59] whether you're 90 and start picking up

[42:01] tomato cans, the body wants to be

[42:03] healthy. It's it's a it's a sort of it's

[42:05] default desire and you know, your body

[42:09] having symptoms is your body's way of

[42:11] getting your attention and and telling

[42:14] you that something's off that you have

[42:15] to address. And I think that's that's

[42:16] important. And I think what you're

[42:17] talking about is some of the ways that

[42:19] people can start to

[42:20] you know, begin to set up their

[42:22] environment, their life, and their

[42:23] intention of what they want to be, how

[42:25] they want to feel, what they want to do,

[42:26] what they want to do the rest of your

[42:27] life. It's really important and I think

[42:29] a lot of people walk around losing that

[42:30] that energy, motivation, vitality, but

[42:33] it's really available. And I I know that

[42:35] as a doctor, I know that for myself.

[42:37] It's just It's just so many people don't

[42:38] have that understanding and they think

[42:40] it's them, they blame themselves, they

[42:41] have deprecating self-talk, and they're

[42:44] or they compare themselves to others and

[42:45] they go why they're doing I I don't know

[42:47] why I can't why I'm overweight, why I'm

[42:48] tired, why I'm this, why I'm that. And I

[42:50] think, you know, you're you're you

[42:52] really help people engage with the the

[42:54] the part of themselves that that little

[42:57] part of themselves that actually wants

[42:59] to have a better life. That's kind of

[43:00] all like by some of your work, it's like

[43:02] you're you're getting people excited cuz

[43:04] everybody wants to have a little better

[43:06] life, a little better health, a little

[43:07] better relationships, a little better

[43:09] you know, career, motivation to do what

[43:11] they want in the world. And that's

[43:12] really

[43:13] you know, that's a real gift. And and I

[43:15] think your your work is so much about

[43:17] that and I I just really acknowledge

[43:19] that for you because it's it's not easy,

[43:21] but it you know, you're you're kind of

[43:22] pointing the way for people and giving

[43:24] them that opportunity to rethink how

[43:26] they live the next part of their life

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[45:20] >> You know, I think it's easy in life to

[45:23] find yourself in sort of a downward

[45:25] spiral. And what I like that you keep

[45:28] saying, Dr. Hyman, is you're just a few

[45:30] days away from feeling better. And I can

[45:32] actually prove that statement to you.

[45:35] Because if you've ever been dragged on a

[45:37] walk

[45:38] after dinner

[45:40] or if you've ever forced yourself out

[45:43] the door

[45:44] for a walk in the morning, or maybe you

[45:46] have a dog, so you didn't have a choice.

[45:48] You got to go out for a walk because,

[45:49] you know, you don't want to You don't

[45:51] You don't care enough about yourself

[45:53] right now, but you do care about your

[45:54] dog. And so, you get up. When you're

[45:56] done with a 10-minute walk

[45:59] you actually do feel better.

[46:00] >> Mhm.

[46:01] >> And that right there is evidence of a

[46:03] singular choice

[46:06] that had a material

[46:08] felt impact on your energy

[46:12] on your thinking

[46:13] on your mood.

[46:15] And if it's true about a 10-minute walk

[46:19] I want you to really embrace what Dr.

[46:21] Hyman's saying and what I'm telling you

[46:24] which is you can also create an upward

[46:29] spiral

[46:30] by the small choices that you make, the

[46:33] things that you remove from your life,

[46:35] whether that's people or certain foods,

[46:37] or certain sort of substances, the

[46:41] things you add in, whether it's a little

[46:42] bit more time with friends, a little

[46:44] bit, you know, more physical movement.

[46:47] And if you're doing things and you're

[46:50] not seeing a result I think that's when

[46:53] you kind of turn to the experts, and you

[46:56] ask yourself, okay, what am I missing

[46:58] here? And you know, I can share a story

[47:00] because I remember when I was starting

[47:02] to hit my late 40s and

[47:05] the I I've always been active even

[47:08] though I don't feel motivated to do so.

[47:10] I I think in my 20s and 30s I was driven

[47:13] by wanting to be thin and by vanity and

[47:17] it wasn't until my 40s that I started to

[47:19] really become more educated about just

[47:23] my mood and my physical health and

[47:25] wanting to live live a long and healthy

[47:27] life. So my motivation started to

[47:28] change. But after years of running,

[47:31] hiking, Pilates, yoga

[47:34] all of a sudden like I'm like, where is

[47:37] this flesh fanny pack coming from? Why

[47:40] is it that I haven't changed anything

[47:43] and I've got meat wings hanging down

[47:45] from my arms? What the hell is going on

[47:49] with my body? Yes, I'd get so mad

[47:52] because my husband and I would do these

[47:53] cleanses or we'd take on these physical

[47:55] challenges or whatever and he would come

[47:58] out of them looking like a ripped Adonis

[48:00] with a six-pack and I'd be still

[48:02] standing there feeling like very puffy

[48:04] and fluffy.

[48:05] And it wasn't until I started to

[48:07] understand, wait a minute

[48:10] there's something going on inside me and

[48:12] that something is what happens to every

[48:14] woman which is as my hormones have

[48:17] basically

[48:20] changed. I mean, you basically go

[48:22] through a a hormonal castration when you

[48:26] go through uh menopause and

[48:28] perimenopause and you have no more

[48:30] estrogen left in a body that has been

[48:33] thriving on estrogen your entire life of

[48:37] course everything is going to go into

[48:39] disarray and it's

[48:41] when you start to understand it's not

[48:43] you

[48:44] there's something going on inside of you

[48:48] that is trying to tell you something.

[48:52] That's when like one of the reasons why

[48:55] it's so important to understand what's

[48:57] going on with your health changes or

[48:59] whatever may be going on internally is

[49:01] because when you have the information,

[49:03] you can make smarter decisions. Like I

[49:07] was not a weight lifter until I

[49:08] understood that it's critical for women

[49:11] in menopause to be lifting weights. It's

[49:14] critical for longevity. And it wasn't

[49:17] until I got on to HRT and I started

[49:20] prioritizing protein because all the

[49:22] experts are just you know, telling us

[49:24] you've got to have more complete

[49:25] protein. You got to have more complete

[49:27] protein. And I also stopped

[49:30] with the cardio and started really

[49:33] focusing on resistance training that

[49:36] absolutely everything changed.

[49:38] Because I knew what I was dealing with.

[49:40] And so part of what's exciting about

[49:42] living in the world today is you do not

[49:44] have to suffer

[49:47] in isolation. You do not have to suffer

[49:51] without knowledge. There is so much

[49:54] information available to you in today's

[49:58] world that if you do want to feel

[50:01] better, if you do want to be stronger,

[50:03] if you do want more energy, if you have

[50:06] symptoms that you don't like living

[50:08] with,

[50:09] I guarantee you with a little bit of

[50:11] research, you can absolutely figure out

[50:14] what the cause might be and you can do

[50:16] something about it and you deserve that.

[50:19] >> I mean, I think people need to

[50:20] understand that I'm a I'm a doctor and I

[50:21] have training in medicine and I treat

[50:23] patients. But at the end of the day,

[50:25] everybody's health is something they're

[50:27] accountable for and they have to take

[50:28] charge of. They have to be the CEO of

[50:29] their own health and they have to

[50:31] realize they have agency over their

[50:32] health and don't have to rely on the

[50:34] health care system cuz it's not a health

[50:35] care system, it's a disease care system.

[50:37] It's fine if you have some serious thing

[50:39] or an acute illness where you need

[50:40] surgery like I did. But for creating

[50:42] health, we don't know how to do that.

[50:44] Doctors don't take a course in medical

[50:45] school called creating health 101. We

[50:47] have no clue. If you go to your doctor

[50:49] say, "I want to really improve and

[50:50] optimize my health." They're like,

[50:51] "Okay, eat better, exercise more." Like

[50:52] that's not really helpful advice. And so

[50:55] that's really why things like functional

[50:56] health are so powerful because they

[50:58] empower people with their data, with

[50:59] understanding, with information and it's

[51:01] it's really where the era we're in is is

[51:03] really exciting. I want to talk about a

[51:05] different part of health. We've talked

[51:07] about physical health and what what what

[51:09] causes resistance to it and and how we

[51:12] motivate ourselves, how we can structure

[51:13] environments and how actually we can

[51:16] change at any age and we can get better.

[51:18] But there's another piece which is our

[51:20] mental health and a lot of suffering um

[51:24] let's call them mental symptoms

[51:26] >> [laughter]

[51:27] >> uh come from how we relate to our

[51:30] experience, how we relate to people, how

[51:31] we relate to other

[51:33] people, how we relate to ourselves and

[51:35] and you wrote a book called the let them

[51:37] theory which sold a stupid amount of

[51:39] number of books. It's an

[51:41] incredible how I know it's like in a

[51:43] million languages already and it it lays

[51:45] out a like concepts that are are

[51:47] somewhat familiar to me related to

[51:49] Buddhism and non-attachment and stoicism

[51:51] and other other areas that that these

[51:53] are universal concepts, but you've kind

[51:56] of refreshed it into the modern world

[51:57] that gives people access to it. And and

[52:00] this whole idea is that a suffering

[52:01] comes from trying to change people

[52:04] and they don't want to change and we

[52:06] cause suffering. I I had this experience

[52:08] with people in my family like we all do

[52:10] and I want to you just do this and

[52:12] >> why we have families.

[52:14] >> [laughter]

[52:14] >> You know that Dr. Hyman? We have

[52:16] families because they teach you how to

[52:18] love people you [snorts] hate sometimes.

[52:20] >> I don't really hate my family, but I get

[52:21] it and I think that that um

[52:24] tell us how you kind of

[52:26] up with this why it's so important for

[52:28] people to reset

[52:30] their perceptions and their experiences

[52:32] and their beliefs around other people

[52:34] and themselves and it's not just the let

[52:37] them theory, it's also the let me theory

[52:39] which people often don't highlight in

[52:41] your work, but I think it's important we

[52:43] discuss that because they're they're two

[52:45] sides of an important coin and one

[52:47] without the other it doesn't actually

[52:48] work. So, walk us through what it is and

[52:51] why it's important and how it can help

[52:53] us

[52:54] end our mental suffering. You know, what

[52:55] what does Bob Marley say? And only our

[52:58] what is it? None but ourselves can free

[52:59] our mind.

[53:00] You know, end our mental slavery

[53:01] something like that. [laughter]

[53:03] It's like that's what we need to do.

[53:04] >> So, um the let them theory is a very,

[53:09] very simple way to have more control,

[53:13] power, and peace in your life.

[53:16] And you are correct.

[53:18] One of the most

[53:20] you are correct when you say there's

[53:23] lots in this book that feels familiar.

[53:25] It feels like Buddhism. It feels like

[53:27] radical acceptance. It feels like

[53:29] stoicism. It feels like the Serenity

[53:32] Prayer. It feels like things that I have

[53:34] heard at the kitchen table.

[53:37] And what I have done in creating the let

[53:39] them theory is I have boiled stoicism

[53:42] down to four words.

[53:44] And the first part of the theory

[53:47] teaches you

[53:48] how to stop

[53:50] trying to control things you cannot

[53:53] control.

[53:54] Because any psychologist and medical

[53:56] doctor will tell you that the fastest

[53:59] way to stress yourself out and cause

[54:01] chronic inflammation and probably IBS

[54:04] and everything else

[54:06] is to con- attempt to control things you

[54:10] will never be able to control.

[54:12] And so here's how you use it, okay?

[54:16] You, in any moment at any

[54:20] point in the day, when you feel yourself

[54:22] starting to get pissed off, frustrated,

[54:25] annoyed, upset, worried, bothered,

[54:28] anything,

[54:30] just say let them.

[54:32] And let them is a boundary. Let

[54:35] Let them is you

[54:37] reminding yourself

[54:40] I can't control traffic.

[54:42] Let them.

[54:43] I can't control whether or not Austin is

[54:46] doing construction on a Monday morning.

[54:48] These freaking idiots. Why would they be

[54:50] doing construction right Let them.

[54:53] Because if I can't control what's

[54:55] happening, why

[54:57] would I allow it

[54:59] to steal my energy and my peace and my

[55:02] attention right now? If somebody is

[55:05] being rude, let them. If somebody is

[55:07] talking behind your back, let them. If

[55:09] somebody misunderstands you, let them.

[55:12] Now, here's what's important. When you

[55:13] say let them, particularly when somebody

[55:16] is disrespecting you, you're not

[55:18] allowing

[55:19] anyone to do anything.

[55:22] When you say let them, you're forcing

[55:24] yourself to recognize that this idiot

[55:27] and their like disrespect is not

[55:30] something I can control.

[55:32] The best thing I can do is to put up a

[55:34] boundary and remind myself, I can't

[55:37] control this person that's yelling at me

[55:39] right now in a retail store, so I'm just

[55:41] going to say let them. Because I refuse

[55:44] to allow their negativity into my mind

[55:46] or body. Then you say the second part,

[55:48] let me.

[55:49] Let me remind myself in every moment

[55:52] that what is in my control is how I

[55:54] respond to this. This is Victor Frankl's

[55:56] Man's Search for Meaning, central thesis

[55:58] of the book.

[56:00] It's what you do in response to life

[56:04] that determines your experience of life.

[56:07] And there's a lot of things that are

[56:08] going on in the world that are unfair.

[56:11] There's a lot of people running around

[56:12] doing very disrespectful and awful

[56:15] things.

[56:16] And your job is not to control it, it's

[56:19] to recognize in

[56:21] day-to-day moments what's in my control

[56:23] and what is not in my control. And focus

[56:26] your energy on what's in your control.

[56:28] And what's in your control at all times

[56:30] is you.

[56:32] How you respond, what you say, what you

[56:34] do or don't do, and what you do in

[56:37] response to the feelings that rise up

[56:39] inside you.

[56:41] And what I love about it, and the reason

[56:43] why it has spread around the world, 11

[56:46] million books sold in 19 months, 67

[56:51] languages. It is the single most

[56:53] successful non-fiction book launch in

[56:55] history. You know, that doesn't happen

[56:57] because of a marketing campaign.

[56:59] That happens because people read it and

[57:02] they can apply it in their lives, and

[57:05] then they recommend it. And what I love

[57:06] about this, and this is another big

[57:08] mistake that people make with it, is

[57:10] people love saying let them cuz it

[57:11] rhymes with F them. And you know, you

[57:13] kind of like let them, you know, let my

[57:15] sister not help with my mom. Let my

[57:17] doctor not call me back. Let my boss be

[57:20] a jerk and I

[57:21] But what happens is the more you say let

[57:23] them, let them, let them, the more

[57:25] you're kind of left with yourself.

[57:27] And it's the second part where you say,

[57:30] well, let me. Let me remind myself that

[57:33] my the kind of relationship that I want

[57:36] with my siblings dependent on me, not

[57:37] them. And if I recognize that my boss

[57:41] keeps

[57:42] like not promoting me.

[57:46] It's not my boss's job to actually

[57:49] promote me. It's my job to recognize the

[57:52] situation I'm in and leave it because I

[57:56] have the power. You're not stuck in any

[57:57] conversation, you're not stuck in any

[57:59] job, you're not stuck in any

[58:00] relationship.

[58:02] But we spend so much energy, Mark,

[58:04] focused on everybody else

[58:07] >> that we miss where the power is. The

[58:10] power is not in changing other people,

[58:12] the power is in changing yourself.

[58:14] Because when you change how you show up,

[58:16] you change how much time you pour into

[58:18] something. You change

[58:20] uh how much access people have to you.

[58:22] You change the compassion that you bring

[58:25] to situations.

[58:27] Your change changes everything. And what

[58:30] I love the most about this is that, you

[58:32] know, for me personally,

[58:34] I wrote the book with our oldest uh

[58:37] child uh our our daughter named Sawyer,

[58:40] who's 27 years old. And you know, every

[58:42] one of us has a relationship in our life

[58:44] where you have somebody that you love

[58:46] and you just wish you could be closer.

[58:48] >> Yeah.

[58:48] >> And for whatever reason, you just

[58:51] >> miss each other.

[58:52] >> Yeah, to miss each other and you

[58:53] frustrate each other and you can't

[58:55] understand why can't it be easier?

[58:57] And we wrote this book together and we

[59:00] pissed each other off all the time cuz

[59:01] we were we were we're very, very

[59:03] different. And we would literally say

[59:05] let her, let her, let her, let me, let

[59:06] me, let me all day long as we're working

[59:09] together. And what what happened was

[59:11] very interesting.

[59:13] When you say let them,

[59:15] you're not only creating a boundary and

[59:18] reminding yourself I can't control this

[59:20] other person. I can't control their

[59:21] happiness. I can't control their mood. I

[59:24] can't control like what they're going to

[59:26] say next. I just need to let them be who

[59:30] they are and be who they are not. Not

[59:31] control them. Not change them. You're

[59:34] actually operating with acceptance.

[59:36] And you're stopping yourself from

[59:39] crossing a line and trying to change a

[59:41] person in your life. And the other

[59:43] person starts to feel it.

[59:45] You create this space where somebody can

[59:47] be as they are

[59:49] and they can be as they're not without

[59:52] you reacting and trying to change them.

[59:55] And what I noticed and what my daughter

[59:56] noticed is the more that we said let her

[59:59] and then let me take responsibility for

[1:00:01] just kind of how I'm going to show up

[1:00:03] right now.

[1:00:04] The closer we became.

[1:00:06] We stopped judging each other. We

[1:00:08] stopped criticizing each other. We

[1:00:10] stopped trying to change each other. We

[1:00:12] stopped wishing each other were

[1:00:14] different. And we both learned how to

[1:00:16] see each other exactly as we are and

[1:00:19] exactly as we aren't.

[1:00:21] Now we still piss each other off.

[1:00:23] But there's this deep deep

[1:00:27] sense of acceptance and connection

[1:00:30] versus what I think a lot of us are

[1:00:32] doing in relationships or at least I'll

[1:00:34] speak for myself is trying to change

[1:00:36] everybody to be the way I want them to

[1:00:38] be.

[1:00:39] Versus learning how to accept and love

[1:00:41] people as they are and just change the

[1:00:44] way I'm showing up so that it works

[1:00:46] better.

[1:00:47] >> Yeah, and the let me part is important

[1:00:48] cuz unless you decide what you're going

[1:00:49] to do, what you're going to allow,

[1:00:50] you're going to communicate, what you're

[1:00:52] going to change, your boundaries, like

[1:00:54] you you basically get to take care of

[1:00:56] yourself and not stop worrying about

[1:00:58] taking care of them, which never works.

[1:01:01] >> [laughter]

[1:01:02] >> Yeah, well and this is part of it is

[1:01:04] that you know, if you've if you're if

[1:01:05] you're holding onto the handle of a

[1:01:07] locked door and you're like, "Why is

[1:01:10] this not opening?" And you're like

[1:01:12] putting all this effort into like

[1:01:13] getting the door to open.

[1:01:16] You can't reach for the open door until

[1:01:19] you let go of the thing that's not

[1:01:20] working.

[1:01:22] And so, this is also important because

[1:01:24] the let them part

[1:01:26] is when you cue yourself to stop doing

[1:01:28] what you always do. Stop trying to

[1:01:30] change them. Stop trying to force them

[1:01:32] to lose weight. Stop trying to make them

[1:01:34] take their medication. Stop trying to

[1:01:36] get them to the doctor. Yes, you're

[1:01:37] doing it because you love them.

[1:01:39] But when you push somebody, you're not

[1:01:41] motivating them. You're actually

[1:01:43] activating somebody's need to feel in

[1:01:46] control of themselves. This is why your

[1:01:48] spouse is resisting your pressure to

[1:01:49] lose weight, your pressure to go to the

[1:01:51] doctor, your pressure to take

[1:01:53] testosterone in my case cuz I'm like,

[1:01:54] "Chris, you have low T. You better take

[1:01:56] some testosterone." That was the one

[1:01:59] most effective way in the world to make

[1:02:01] him not want to take it.

[1:02:03] It's telling him to do it.

[1:02:04] Letting him have the dignity of his own

[1:02:08] experience.

[1:02:09] Letting him

[1:02:11] know that I was worried about him and I

[1:02:12] want him to feel better and that I was

[1:02:15] hoping that he would speak to some

[1:02:16] medical professionals about it gives him

[1:02:19] the space to be in control

[1:02:23] of changing on his timeline.

[1:02:27] And that's the most influential way to

[1:02:30] actually influence somebody else to

[1:02:33] change. It's to stop bitching about it,

[1:02:35] to stop pushing them to do things, to

[1:02:38] stop making the, "You know, if you ate a

[1:02:39] little salad, you know, maybe if you

[1:02:41] parked the car a little further away at

[1:02:43] the grocery store and got your steps

[1:02:45] in."

[1:02:45] That's not support.

[1:02:48] That's actually criticism.

[1:02:50] And what you're doing is you're you're

[1:02:52] forcing the other person to wall

[1:02:54] themselves off from you and to avoid the

[1:02:56] changes they probably know they need to

[1:02:58] make

[1:02:59] because they don't want to hear those

[1:03:00] words, "See, I told you."

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[1:03:08] sugar, your immune system, your brain

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[1:04:43] be in relationship with them, how you

[1:04:44] want to be in relationship with them,

[1:04:45] whether you want to be in relationship

[1:04:46] with them. Like you get to choose for

[1:04:48] yourself cuz it

[1:04:49] sometimes relationships need to end or

[1:04:51] sometimes, you know, you need to just

[1:04:53] shift your expectations. And I'm so

[1:04:55] curious though like if as you've thought

[1:04:56] about this a lot, then the question that

[1:04:59] comes up for me is

[1:05:00] why are humans wired the other way? Like

[1:05:02] it seems like it's not a like a

[1:05:05] it's not an unusual problem. Like

[1:05:06] obviously 11 million people bought the

[1:05:08] book. And

[1:05:09] that's historic. And so you've hit on

[1:05:11] something.

[1:05:12] >> an answer for you.

[1:05:13] >> You do?

[1:05:13] >> I I wondered about the same thing. Yeah,

[1:05:15] I I I write about this in the book. I I

[1:05:18] wondered about the same thing. Why

[1:05:20] is it that we're all actually working in

[1:05:23] the exact opposite way

[1:05:26] of the fundamental laws of human

[1:05:28] relationships?

[1:05:30] And it comes down, ironically, because I

[1:05:32] the Let Them theory is really about

[1:05:34] control.

[1:05:35] What can you control and what can you

[1:05:37] not control?

[1:05:38] And and it teaches you how to focus on

[1:05:40] what's in your control, which is where

[1:05:42] your power and your peace and your

[1:05:43] influence is.

[1:05:45] The reason why we get this wrong, and I

[1:05:47] got it wrong for the first 54 years of

[1:05:49] my life,

[1:05:51] is that

[1:05:52] every one of us

[1:05:54] has a fundamental

[1:05:57] survival instinct that is tied to being

[1:06:00] in control

[1:06:02] of everything.

[1:06:03] Because when

[1:06:05] you feel out of control,

[1:06:09] it immediately

[1:06:10] makes you feel like something's wrong,

[1:06:14] whether the traffic is backing up. Now,

[1:06:17] you're going to be late for your

[1:06:18] interview. That causes a flood of

[1:06:20] anxiety because you can't control the

[1:06:23] fact that there's something where you

[1:06:25] need to be, right? When your spouse

[1:06:28] is drinking too much,

[1:06:31] their behavior

[1:06:33] is making you feel out of control

[1:06:37] because their behavior makes you worry

[1:06:40] about them and their health and what's

[1:06:43] going to happen and your future and what

[1:06:45] people may think and so

[1:06:47] the reason why we try to control

[1:06:50] everyone and everything around us

[1:06:53] is because in life everything going on

[1:06:58] has some impact on you.

[1:07:00] And when somebody else's behavior,

[1:07:01] whether it's one of your kids who

[1:07:03] worries you,

[1:07:04] cuz they're not doing well in school, so

[1:07:06] then what do you do? You step across the

[1:07:07] line, you try to push them to get

[1:07:09] grades, you take away their phone,

[1:07:11] you're now trying to control another

[1:07:13] person

[1:07:14] because their behavior worries you and

[1:07:17] it triggered this need for you to feel

[1:07:19] okay.

[1:07:21] The thing that I want everyone to

[1:07:23] understand, and this is the kind of big

[1:07:24] epiphany for me is worrying about other

[1:07:27] people is a beautiful thing. Of course

[1:07:29] you want people to be healthy. Of course

[1:07:30] you want people to do well and to

[1:07:32] thrive.

[1:07:33] It's how you're going about influencing

[1:07:37] other people and doing it that's

[1:07:38] backfiring.

[1:07:40] Controlling other people just pushes

[1:07:43] them away from you.

[1:07:44] >> So how do you like then help them

[1:07:46] without helping them? How do you It's

[1:07:48] cuz it's a paradox.

[1:07:50] >> I turned it too. There's 57

[1:07:53] world-renowned scientists and

[1:07:54] researchers that are cited in this book.

[1:07:57] And that I interviewed for this book and

[1:08:01] that have appeared on the podcast. And

[1:08:04] when it comes to how you influence

[1:08:06] people

[1:08:08] in a way that works with the

[1:08:09] neuroscience of human beings and it

[1:08:12] actually gives people the autonomy to

[1:08:15] believe that it's their idea. You win.

[1:08:19] Because while you can never change

[1:08:21] another person cuz people only change

[1:08:24] when they're ready to change for

[1:08:26] themselves. They're not changing for

[1:08:27] you.

[1:08:28] People are only going to change when

[1:08:30] they're ready to do the very hard work

[1:08:31] that we've talked about to change for

[1:08:33] themselves. No matter worrying, pushing,

[1:08:35] bribing, pressuring is going to work. If

[1:08:38] anything it backfires.

[1:08:40] So while you can't force someone else to

[1:08:43] change

[1:08:45] I never said you couldn't influence

[1:08:46] change. And for that formula we turn to

[1:08:50] Dr. Tali Sharot who is a professor at

[1:08:53] King's College and also at MIT. She

[1:08:55] studies the science of influence. And

[1:08:59] basically there's this model called ABC

[1:09:03] that I made up using her research to

[1:09:05] help you remember this. The first thing

[1:09:08] you're going to do is you got to do the

[1:09:10] A part. A is apologize.

[1:09:13] B is back off.

[1:09:16] And C is compliment

[1:09:20] any behavior you see that's moving in

[1:09:22] the right direction.

[1:09:23] >> Like positive reinforcement, yeah.

[1:09:25] >> Yeah, so the so the reason why you want

[1:09:27] to apologize is you have no idea how

[1:09:29] annoying you've been. You have no idea

[1:09:31] how rude your comments have been. You

[1:09:33] have no idea like particularly let's say

[1:09:35] you've got somebody in your life who

[1:09:36] needs to lose weight. They know about

[1:09:38] GLP-1s. They're not an idiot.

[1:09:40] They know that sitting on the couch

[1:09:42] versus going for a walk is probably not

[1:09:44] the right thing.

[1:09:46] The only person that's harder on this

[1:09:47] person that you love about their weight

[1:09:50] than you is them. They beat themselves

[1:09:52] up all day long.

[1:09:54] And so you want to start by apologizing,

[1:09:57] whether it's to your kid who you've been

[1:09:58] pressuring to study more.

[1:10:00] They they they know that they're not

[1:10:02] doing well in school.

[1:10:03] They know that playing video games

[1:10:05] versus studying is not like going to

[1:10:07] help them get better grades. Do you want

[1:10:09] to know why they're playing video games?

[1:10:10] They're good at it.

[1:10:11] And when they sit down and stare at the

[1:10:12] books, they think they're bad at it.

[1:10:14] That's why they're avoiding it. And then

[1:10:16] you come up like, you know, a storm

[1:10:17] trooper and yell at them. Do you think

[1:10:19] that's helping?

[1:10:20] No.

[1:10:21] So you apologize. Hey, I just want to

[1:10:23] say I'm really sorry. I've been thinking

[1:10:24] a lot about the way I've been hounding

[1:10:27] you.

[1:10:27] And it can't feel good.

[1:10:29] And I'm really sorry about that. I care

[1:10:31] about you deeply and you know, you have

[1:10:33] my word. I'm not going to bring it up

[1:10:35] again. I'm here. I love you. If you ever

[1:10:37] need my support, you just let me know,

[1:10:38] but you know,

[1:10:40] what do you like I I'm here to help.

[1:10:42] Whatever you need. You can ask

[1:10:43] open-ended questions. How do you feel

[1:10:45] about this? You know, I haven't even

[1:10:46] asked you.

[1:10:47] I've been dragging you to the I've never

[1:10:49] asked you, how are you feeling about

[1:10:50] your weight?

[1:10:52] Mhm.

[1:10:53] And it doesn't even matter what they

[1:10:55] say, Dr. Hyman, because what the

[1:10:57] research shows is simply asking an

[1:10:59] open-ended question

[1:11:01] stirs up the internal conflict they

[1:11:03] silently deal with all day long.

[1:11:05] >> Being curious.

[1:11:06] >> Yes, it's it's it's not even

[1:11:09] that they don't want it. It's that

[1:11:11] they've convinced themselves it's not

[1:11:12] possible.

[1:11:15] Then you back off. Like literally, this

[1:11:17] is the let them part.

[1:11:19] You have to say let them let them let

[1:11:20] them to stop you from saying anything.

[1:11:24] And while they're

[1:11:26] just living their life and you're not

[1:11:28] saying anything, you also want to just

[1:11:31] be doing whatever it is you think they

[1:11:33] should be doing.

[1:11:35] And don't ask them to participate, just

[1:11:37] model the change you want to see, and

[1:11:39] then the third thing is is eventually

[1:11:42] eventually you're going to see somebody

[1:11:43] get up and make a walk and or take a

[1:11:45] walk and instead of being like, "See oh

[1:11:47] see how easy that was?" No, just be

[1:11:48] like, "Oh my god, you look so cute when

[1:11:50] your cheeks are red. I love you, honey."

[1:11:53] >> [laughter]

[1:11:53] >> Positive reinforcement.

[1:11:54] >> Yeah, compliments.

[1:11:55] >> That's it. That That's That's all you

[1:11:57] got. That's all you've got. When you

[1:12:00] give somebody the space to sit with

[1:12:02] themself,

[1:12:04] they're now having to deal with their

[1:12:06] internal resistance.

[1:12:08] When you're pressuring somebody to

[1:12:10] change, you're the resistance that they

[1:12:13] push against.

[1:12:13] >> So true. And so this is like important

[1:12:15] kind of combo package around into your

[1:12:17] health and your mental health cuz

[1:12:19] you know, if people don't don't figure

[1:12:22] this out in life and they constantly are

[1:12:24] fighting reality, it's going to cause a

[1:12:26] lot of suffering,

[1:12:28] a lot of stress, and a lot of mental

[1:12:29] anguish. And it it that also affects

[1:12:32] your health. So this is a kind of a I'd

[1:12:33] say a combo package for living well,

[1:12:36] feeling good, and actually

[1:12:38] having a fulfilled life. And it's it's

[1:12:40] beautiful how you crystallize it all and

[1:12:41] I I so appreciate how you have taken,

[1:12:44] you know, the world's scientists,

[1:12:45] distill their work, and kind of made

[1:12:47] something accessible for people to kind

[1:12:49] of distill down into the nuggets that

[1:12:51] really are follow are able to follow and

[1:12:54] are actionable. And you know, it's kind

[1:12:56] of like for your own life and I'm

[1:12:57] curious about you, Mel, how you're

[1:12:58] thinking about the next part of your

[1:13:00] life. You know, you you kind of had this

[1:13:02] this trajectory where you know, you

[1:13:03] struggled, you're bankrupt, you're you

[1:13:05] know, you were you kind of were drinking

[1:13:07] a lot, you were kind of a mess, and then

[1:13:09] you've kind of transformed out of that

[1:13:11] into this into this life where you're

[1:13:13] having such a positive impact on people.

[1:13:15] And so and you're you've figured out

[1:13:17] your health journey, you you you've done

[1:13:19] functional health, you've got other

[1:13:20] stuff, you've figured out how how you

[1:13:21] balance your menopausal issues that, you

[1:13:23] know, often derail women.

[1:13:25] And and I'm wondering how you imagine

[1:13:28] this next 20 years and living into your,

[1:13:30] you know, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s and and and

[1:13:34] how you how you dream for yourself.

[1:13:35] >> First of all, go back to the very first

[1:13:37] thing I said, which is you got to ask

[1:13:39] yourself, what do you want? And when it

[1:13:40] comes to my health um the next 30, 40,

[1:13:44] 50 years, you know, I'm going to be 58

[1:13:46] in a week.

[1:13:46] >> That's just a baby.

[1:13:48] >> [laughter]

[1:13:48] >> I just a baby. Um I really want to live

[1:13:53] a long and vibrant life. I was just at

[1:13:56] my niece's wedding and I was watching my

[1:14:00] husband's mom, who's 89, boogying down

[1:14:03] on the dance floor with all of her

[1:14:04] grandkids and I thought, that's going to

[1:14:06] be me at 89.

[1:14:08] And so I have a very clear vision of a

[1:14:11] very active

[1:14:13] lifestyle, a very strong lifestyle. And

[1:14:16] you know, it's no accident that my

[1:14:17] mother-in-law is like that because for

[1:14:19] the 30-plus years I've known her, she

[1:14:21] walks 5 miles a day

[1:14:23] and 20 years ago started adding in two

[1:14:26] days of resistance training. I mean, the

[1:14:27] woman has biceps at 89. So this stuff

[1:14:32] works. Like that's the thing that a

[1:14:34] normal person like me doesn't want to

[1:14:36] doesn't want to really grasp. You

[1:14:39] actually can feel better if you

[1:14:40] prioritize sleep,

[1:14:43] if you make time for friends,

[1:14:45] if you do some resistance training and

[1:14:47] move your body,

[1:14:48] if you recognize that

[1:14:51] there's no amount of exercise that can

[1:14:53] outdo a crappy diet, that you have to

[1:14:56] like think about the fuel and for me

[1:14:57] that meant a ton more protein, which is

[1:15:00] why I got involved as a co-founder of

[1:15:02] Pure Genius Protein.

[1:15:04] And that's kind of it. Like that like

[1:15:07] it's the stuff is simple. The pillars

[1:15:09] are very very simple.

[1:15:12] And so for me, I am really focused on

[1:15:16] taking care of myself and the source of

[1:15:19] motivation that's personal is

[1:15:21] I want not just a long life, I want a

[1:15:25] lot of life in those years.

[1:15:28] And that's on me. And I want to be

[1:15:30] strong and I want to be mobile and that

[1:15:32] means what I'm doing now in my late 50s

[1:15:34] matters tremendously for how I want to

[1:15:36] feel in my 80s and 90s if I'm lucky

[1:15:38] enough to live that long. Um, I think

[1:15:41] the other big thing about me that I

[1:15:43] don't think a lot of people probably

[1:15:45] from the outside understand is that

[1:15:48] you know, when you have this kind of

[1:15:49] level of extraordinary success. I mean,

[1:15:51] third largest podcast in the world, this

[1:15:53] extraordinary success with the Let Them

[1:15:55] Theory, you have 40 million people that

[1:15:57] follow you online, and your work

[1:16:00] truly is encouraging and empowering

[1:16:02] people

[1:16:04] to

[1:16:06] make changes that improve the quality of

[1:16:08] their lives. And I know this because I

[1:16:10] read the avalanche of inbound messages

[1:16:13] that come in from all over the world

[1:16:14] every single day. It's the thing that

[1:16:17] really motivates me. And it motivates me

[1:16:20] because when I was 41 and couldn't get

[1:16:22] out of bed, I thought I was the only

[1:16:24] loser that had screwed up her life.

[1:16:26] I thought there was no way that I could

[1:16:28] fix these problems. There's no way I

[1:16:30] could get out of debt. And there were no

[1:16:32] podcasts. You wouldn't be caught dead

[1:16:34] walking into a self-help aisle. Like, I

[1:16:37] couldn't afford a therapist. Hell, I

[1:16:38] couldn't pay my mortgage. Like, and

[1:16:40] nobody went to a therapist 16 years ago.

[1:16:43] And so, I suffered alone.

[1:16:46] And for me, knowing that in some small

[1:16:51] or large way

[1:16:53] either the episodes we're putting out or

[1:16:55] the books that I write or the short-form

[1:16:59] content we put on social media is truly

[1:17:01] spreading around the world like little

[1:17:04] drops of light.

[1:17:06] And it is awakening the light inside

[1:17:10] each and every one of us, this power

[1:17:12] that we have to flip a switch in our

[1:17:14] health, in our mindset, in our attitude,

[1:17:17] and our goals

[1:17:18] to take control of what our life feels

[1:17:22] and looks like.

[1:17:24] That's what motivates me. And so, people

[1:17:26] often ask me, "Okay, what are you going

[1:17:27] to do next?" But I'm like, "Next? Are

[1:17:29] you kidding me? Like, what more do you

[1:17:31] need?" Like, I don't want more. I want I

[1:17:33] want time.

[1:17:35] Like, I would love to continue doing

[1:17:37] what I'm doing in service

[1:17:40] of people and of your ability to create

[1:17:45] a better life and to feel better. But

[1:17:47] what I would like to do is to have more

[1:17:49] time back

[1:17:50] to spend it with my husband, to spend it

[1:17:52] with my kids, to be outside hiking, to

[1:17:55] enjoy all of this hard work because I

[1:17:57] think one of the things that's

[1:17:58] interesting about about being older.

[1:18:01] And this goes to those of you that are

[1:18:02] saying it's too late.

[1:18:04] First of all, Dr. Hyman's on Medicare

[1:18:06] and [laughter] he's like

[1:18:08] the co-founder of a basically a Medicare

[1:18:10] whatever it is. Medicare, Medicare,

[1:18:11] you're the doctor, I don't know.

[1:18:13] Whatever it is. [laughter]

[1:18:15] And you know, he's like literally the

[1:18:17] recent founder of a company that's now

[1:18:19] valued at a billion dollars. And I

[1:18:22] started the podcast at 54, wrote the

[1:18:24] book at 55, became the co-founder of

[1:18:27] this incredible Pure Genius protein shot

[1:18:30] company at the age of 56.

[1:18:34] We We

[1:18:35] We will not hear it.

[1:18:37] And what happens when you attack life

[1:18:41] later in life is you're doing it with

[1:18:43] experience.

[1:18:45] And with the experience that you have

[1:18:47] right now, you don't forget what

[1:18:49] actually matters.

[1:18:50] And so for me, when I look ahead,

[1:18:52] there's nothing that I could do in the

[1:18:54] future, Dr. Hyman,

[1:18:56] that would change what I know is

[1:18:58] important in life. And what's important

[1:18:59] in life

[1:19:00] is your health.

[1:19:02] It's your family.

[1:19:04] It's your friends. And it's waking up

[1:19:07] every day and having somewhere to go,

[1:19:10] having something to do that you care

[1:19:12] about, and having somebody that you can

[1:19:14] show a little love to.

[1:19:15] You have those three things, you are

[1:19:18] winning

[1:19:19] at this game of life.

[1:19:20] >> And it's true. I think you know, you

[1:19:22] know, what you're saying is so important

[1:19:23] and we really

[1:19:25] have to kind of come back to the

[1:19:26] essentials. And

[1:19:28] And both of us, as I was reflecting

[1:19:30] listening to what you're saying,

[1:19:32] both of us had

[1:19:33] pretty bad breakdowns in life. You at

[1:19:36] 41, you you had

[1:19:38] incredible debt and everything was

[1:19:39] falling apart and you were you know, you

[1:19:41] just kind of in a deep depressed hole.

[1:19:44] I was you know, in my late 30s. I got

[1:19:45] chronic fatigue syndrome

[1:19:47] and I had to discover a new way of

[1:19:49] healing and then the work that I do

[1:19:50] around functional medicine and and it

[1:19:52] and coming out of that and

[1:19:54] figuring out a way out of that for both

[1:19:56] of us has has compelled us to want to

[1:19:58] give back to the world and to bring the

[1:20:01] love that we gave to ourselves to

[1:20:03] everybody else and to you know, share

[1:20:05] with everybody else

[1:20:07] uh steps that they can take to actually

[1:20:10] feel better, live better, you know, and

[1:20:12] actually have a more meaningful,

[1:20:14] complete life. And it's it's it's

[1:20:15] actually

[1:20:17] hard because a lot of people just don't

[1:20:18] think that it's possible. They don't

[1:20:20] think that getting out of the crappy

[1:20:22] situation they're in, whatever it is, is

[1:20:24] possible. But I think you know, you and

[1:20:26] I are examples of people who've who've

[1:20:28] been at the bottom and who've who've

[1:20:30] come back and and it's it's really I

[1:20:32] think hopefully inspiring for people to

[1:20:33] listen to this and to have this

[1:20:34] conversation and to start to think about

[1:20:37] okay, doesn't matter what age I am. I

[1:20:38] could be 75. I could be 55. It's never

[1:20:41] too late and it's it's never too late to

[1:20:43] take control of your health. It's never

[1:20:44] too late to reset your relationships, to

[1:20:47] reset your mind and fix your your your

[1:20:50] um

[1:20:51] patterns of thinking that cause

[1:20:52] suffering for you and your beliefs that

[1:20:54] cause suffering. Your your book you

[1:20:56] really is about changing our beliefs

[1:20:57] about how relationships work, about how

[1:20:59] love works, about how supporting others

[1:21:01] works, about how taking care of yourself

[1:21:02] works. These are really important things

[1:21:04] we don't learn in school. We don't learn

[1:21:05] any of this stuff in [laughter] school.

[1:21:07] And so I think we're we're at this

[1:21:08] amazing moment where you know, work that

[1:21:10] you're doing, some of the work that I'm

[1:21:11] doing is really helping people

[1:21:13] to become empowered with with the

[1:21:15] information, the knowledge and the tools

[1:21:17] to actually live a better, longer life.

[1:21:19] And you know, you you're saying you want

[1:21:20] to have more life in your years. That's

[1:21:22] the tagline of Function, which is live

[1:21:24] 100 healthy years. That's that's our

[1:21:25] goal and

[1:21:26] I've written a new book coming out next

[1:21:28] spring called 100, How to Live 100

[1:21:30] Healthy Years. And it's really about

[1:21:31] this exact thing. How how do we do this?

[1:21:34] And it goes through everything from

[1:21:35] physical health to mental emotional

[1:21:37] health to you know, dealing with our

[1:21:38] traumas. All this stuff is necessary,

[1:21:41] building community and I was kind of

[1:21:42] reminded a little bit about the work I

[1:21:44] did with Rick Warren where he where he

[1:21:47] we we created something called the

[1:21:47] Daniel Plan in his church. It was a very

[1:21:49] unhealthy overweight church and it was

[1:21:51] based on five principles which is faith

[1:21:53] essentially is what he's talking about

[1:21:54] is meaning and purpose that you're

[1:21:55] talking about uh food

[1:21:59] fitness

[1:22:01] uh

[1:22:01] focus which is getting your mindset

[1:22:03] right and

[1:22:05] friends.

[1:22:06] It's really It's really all the things

[1:22:08] we've been talking about and that's what

[1:22:09] really creates a

[1:22:11] life that allows you to be empowered to

[1:22:12] do the things you want and to live a

[1:22:14] life you want.

[1:22:15] >> I agree.

[1:22:15] >> Yeah. So, thanks to Mel for being on the

[1:22:17] podcast. Everybody, you can find Mel's

[1:22:19] work everywhere.

[1:22:21] >> [laughter]

[1:22:21] >> Her podcast is the Mel Robbins Show.

[1:22:23] She's got her social media which is

[1:22:26] >> Like literally you just look for Mel

[1:22:28] Robbins and if you're trying to get more

[1:22:30] protein, I want you to check out Pure

[1:22:32] Genius Protein. I have one every single

[1:22:34] morning, Dr. Hyman, and it has changed

[1:22:36] my life. I really struggled to get

[1:22:40] protein in cuz I listened to you doctors

[1:22:42] and it's really hard. It's hard with the

[1:22:45] number of calories, it's hard on the go.

[1:22:47] There's only so much chicken and eggs.

[1:22:49] When I found out eggs were only 6 g of

[1:22:50] protein, I was mad at them for a year.

[1:22:52] [laughter]

[1:22:53] Yeah, I like I can't eat six eggs and so

[1:22:57] given how much I struggled, I joined a

[1:23:00] company and became a founder and spent a

[1:23:02] year

[1:23:04] working with medical and scientific and

[1:23:06] nutritional experts to build the first

[1:23:08] of its kind 3-oz TSA approved shell

[1:23:12] stable 100 calories, 23 g of complete

[1:23:15] protein.

[1:23:16] >> Yeah.

[1:23:17] >> It's incredible.

[1:23:17] >> I've had it. It's delicious and it's

[1:23:19] great and it's it's a it's truly

[1:23:20] >> Well, thank you for saying that. It

[1:23:23] really is and so I'm really proud of

[1:23:24] that because it's made it simple and one

[1:23:27] of the things that you and I talked a

[1:23:28] lot about today is functional health

[1:23:30] helps answer questions about what's

[1:23:33] going on inside so you can make changes

[1:23:36] that improve your health. And for me as

[1:23:38] a normal person, if the changes are

[1:23:40] hard, I ain't doing it. And so the fact

[1:23:43] that it can be simple to either figure

[1:23:48] out what's going on through medical

[1:23:50] tests or simple

[1:23:53] like I do, I drink a protein shot every

[1:23:55] morning instead of a smoothie.

[1:23:57] Boom, it's done. That's what helps you

[1:23:59] get these things done.

[1:24:00] >> It's true. It's It's true. It just It's

[1:24:02] just allowing people to have the tools

[1:24:04] and access and things that are going to

[1:24:06] make their default choices better

[1:24:08] choices and I think uh hopefully this

[1:24:11] has inspired a lot of people. I'm sure

[1:24:12] this podcast is going to get out there.

[1:24:14] >> [music]

[1:24:14] >> Thank you for everything you do, Mel.

[1:24:15] It's great to see you again. I love you

[1:24:17] and keep keep it up.

[1:24:18] >> It's great to see you. I love you, too.

[1:24:20] >> on the dance floor at when I'm 100 and

[1:24:22] you're like you're like 50 you're like

[1:24:25] 80 90 or something.

[1:24:27] >> [laughter]

[1:24:28] >> Yeah, I'm like 10 years behind you.

[1:24:29] >> you'll be 90 I'll be 100. We'll be

[1:24:31] dancing. How about that? I'll meet you

[1:24:32] on the dance floor at 100.

[1:24:34] >> [laughter]

[1:24:35] >> Sounds good.

[1:24:36] >> All right, Mel. Thank you. Hey

[1:24:37] everybody, it's Dr. Mark Hyman. I'm so

[1:24:39] excited to share that my new book is

[1:24:41] officially available for pre-order

[1:24:42] today. After more than 30 years of

[1:24:45] practicing medicine and caring for tens

[1:24:46] of thousands of patients, I've written

[1:24:48] the book that brings everything together

[1:24:51] that I've learned about helping people

[1:24:52] get healthy and stay healthy as they

[1:24:54] age. It's called The 100: What to Do

[1:24:56] Today to Live 100 Healthy Years. It's a

[1:24:58] whole body guide to living 100 healthy

[1:25:01] years. It's grounded in a new

[1:25:02] understanding of how our bodies work.

[1:25:04] It's the new map of the body and inside

[1:25:06] I walk you through the seven core

[1:25:08] systems that drive your health from your

[1:25:09] gut and hormones to how your cells make

[1:25:11] energy that help you understand the

[1:25:13] signals your body's been sending you all

[1:25:15] along. Now, a lot of what's in the book

[1:25:17] I learned the hard way through my own

[1:25:19] body. When I got sick the medicine that

[1:25:21] I trained in did not have any of the

[1:25:24] answers I needed. So, I had to go

[1:25:26] looking for them myself and that search

[1:25:28] became my life's work. This book brings

[1:25:30] together decades of my learning from my

[1:25:32] patients, from the scientific research

[1:25:34] and scouring that, from the things I got

[1:25:36] wrong and the things I had to rethink

[1:25:37] along the way. I don't want you to have

[1:25:40] to struggle the way I did to find those

[1:25:41] answers. So much of our health is shaped

[1:25:43] by what happens outside your doctor's

[1:25:45] office and I want you to feel confident

[1:25:47] knowing how to care for yourself every

[1:25:49] day. I put so much of myself into this

[1:25:50] book and I'm really excited to finally

[1:25:52] share it with you. It's really my life's

[1:25:54] work. It's my capstone of my career that

[1:25:55] I put everything I know. It's finally

[1:25:57] available for order today. Pre-order

[1:25:59] everywhere books are sold. Go get a

[1:26:00] copy. Please support me and this is my

[1:26:02] life's work. So, I think you're going to

[1:26:04] love it.

MH
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Mark Hyman, MD, is a family physician and Functional Medicine leader who founded The UltraWellness Center and the Food Fix Campaign, hosts The Dr. Hyman Show, and writes bestsellin…

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Mark Hyman argues that many people wait for motivation before starting, but motivation is inconsistent and disappears under stress or fatigue. He says that before the feeling arrives, you need a clear intention about what you want, and then you act as though it is already happening.
According to the conversation between Hyman and Mel Robbins, no. Their position is that action should come first and generate momentum, rather than waiting for a feeling of readiness that may never arrive on schedule.
Start by asking yourself what you actually want, in specific terms. Hyman's own example from recovering from back surgery shows the principle: having a concrete goal, such as playing with his grandson, gave him a reason to keep going when even small movements took effort.
Mel Robbins told Mark Hyman on his podcast that age should be thrown out of the equation. She said it does not matter if you have been inactive, unemployed, or recovering from a diagnosis, because the starting point is wherever you are now.
The conversation suggests making a plain, open offer of support and letting the person decide. Robbins's framing is to tell them you are available if they need you, rather than trying to control their choices.
Robbins and Hyman both point to attention and environment as shaping daily choices. Deliberately choosing what you watch or listen to, and what runs in the background, reflects your intentions and can either support or undermine the habits you want.

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