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Inspiration

Tassajara Stories and the First Zen Monastery in the West

HZ
Hardcore Zen
Oct 20, 2026
7 min de leitura
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The road into Tassajara is not paved. Brad Warner, the Zen teacher and author of Hardcore Zen, remembers the drive as more than an hour of rocky, twisting switchbacks over a mountain and down into a valley deep in California's Ventana Wilderness, a trip he made once in a PT Cruiser and says nearly ruined the car. That remote valley, with its hot springs and its 1967 turn as the first Zen Buddhist monastery in the West, is the subject of a short book Warner did not write: David Chadwick's Tassajara Stories, an oral history built from Chadwick's own memories and the recollections of others who were there. Warner, who was a friend of Chadwick's, uses the book as a doorway into a place, a teacher, and a tradition of American Zen that was funny, unruly, and very human from the start.

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How did a deep-wilderness hot spring become a Zen monastery?

Warner's account begins before any monks arrived. Tassajara's hot springs were used long before Europeans reached the region, and Warner says the valley's name is usually traced to a native word meaning, roughly, the place where you smoke meat. Later, the site became a tourist destination. A hotel was built around the springs, with a bar, a ballroom, and what Warner calls a kind of swinging nightlife, though he is unsure exactly when that era began, saying it may have started in the 1800s or possibly earlier.

By the 1960s the resort had fallen on hard times. Few people were making the trip, and the owners wanted to sell. Warner describes a field of bidders, and one of them was the San Francisco Zen Center, whose founder, Shunryu Suzuki, wanted a monastic training center. Suzuki had looked at other properties first, and Tassajara was the one that took. The contrast is the first thing worth sitting with: a place built for leisure, sold to people who wanted to make it a place of strict, daily discipline.

"It's not an academic sort of history of the place that's dry and boring. It's a collection of stories, stories that happened directly to David Chadwick himself, who was there for a lot of the beginning of Tassajara, and stories that he heard from other people who were at Tassajara."

— Brad Warner, Hardcore Zen video, 5:25

Why is an oral history the right form for this story?

Oral history suits a place like Tassajara because the early years were not governed by a neat plan. A new monastery in a remote canyon, run by people learning a tradition they had only partly absorbed, produces a lot of stories that never get written down in official records. By choosing anecdote over institutional chronology, Chadwick captures what it actually felt like to be there: the work, the mistakes, the odd personalities, and the humor that runs through them.

Warner sees that humor as the book's real achievement and a direct line to his own work. He says he picked up Chadwick's earlier memoir, Thank You and Okay, an American Zen failure in Japan, at a Tower Records bookstore in Tokyo while he was living there. His teachers, Tim, his first teacher, and Nishijima Roshi, had encouraged him to write about Zen, and Warner had told himself he could not do it, because he had read too many books about Zen and could not imagine writing one of them.

"If you can write a book about Zen Buddhism like this one, which is full of humor and just personal stories, and just it's a really good, really fun read. Then maybe I can write a book about Zen Buddhism and that launched me on what became Hardcore Zen."

— Brad Warner, Hardcore Zen video, 3:22

That point matters for anyone new to Zen literature. Much of what gets published about the tradition is either doctrinal or hagiographic, presenting teachers as serene and their communities as orderly. Chadwick's approach, as Warner describes it, lets teachers and students be people, with the absurdity and friction that real practice involves. Warner also notes that Chadwick wrote Crooked Cucumber, a biography of Shunryu Suzuki, which he calls a very good and very entertaining read about the founder of the San Francisco Zen Center.

What is daily life like at a remote Zen training center?

Warner's own time at Tassajara gives the book its context. He visited about every summer for roughly five years, he says, and he describes the place as a great place with a hard edge. He mentions that practice periods there could run for weeks, and that during guest season the monastery welcomed paying guests, who came for a stay and found the place very different from the resort it had once been.

The physical setting explains a lot about the community's temperament. Getting in and out is an ordeal, and the valley's isolation means that people who choose to stay are committing to a shared rhythm of work and sitting. Warner's memories of the road, the heat, and the hot springs are less about scenery than about the way a place like this forces daily life into a small circle. Tassajara's history is in its geography: the springs that drew tourists, the road that discourages them, and the monastic routine that replaced them.

"It takes over an hour to make that drive because it is so rocky and windy. The road is not paved."

— Brad Warner, Hardcore Zen video, 6:40

Why does an American Zen story still matter?

Warner's larger argument is that the early American Zen story is worth telling precisely because it was not tidy. Tassajara arrived as an experiment: a Japanese-rooted tradition, transplanted to the California wilderness, taught by teachers who were learning English and American life alongside their students. The result was a mix of formality and irreverence that Chadwick's book preserves. Warner's own career, from reading Chadwick's memoir to writing Hardcore Zen, shows how one such book can reshape what a reader thinks is possible for the genre.

The book also carries the weight of loss. Warner says he was in the middle of chemotherapy when Chadwick's book arrived, and that he kept putting off an interview he had hoped to record because the time difference and his own health made a Zoom call with someone in Indonesia overwhelming. When he finally felt ready, he learned Chadwick had died. He had known Chadwick had gone to the hospital for tests, but not that it was serious. Warner's apology, offered to Chadwick directly, is one of the video's most affecting moments.

Where to go from here

If Tassajara is new to you, start with Chadwick's book itself, which Warner describes as the best way into the place's history. Pair it with Crooked Cucumber for the story of Shunryu Suzuki, and with Thank You and Okay for Chadwick's own account of American Zen in Japan. Warner's Hardcore Zen is the book he says grew directly out of reading that earlier memoir, so it makes a useful next step. Then watch the video itself, where Warner's pictures and personal stories add texture no summary can capture. Chadwick's work is a reminder that the best books about a spiritual tradition are often the ones that let people be human, funny, and sometimes wrong.

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[0:00] All right, hello there thrill seekers.

[0:02] I'm Brad Warner. I am the author of a

[0:04] lot of books about Zen Buddhism and

[0:07] today I would like to talk to you about

[0:08] a book I did not write, which was

[0:11] written by my late friend David Chadwick

[0:13] called Tassajara stories. We'll talk

[0:15] about that after 30 seconds of the theme

[0:17] from Thunderball, the James Bond movie.

[0:22] >> [music]

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[0:36] [music]

[0:45] [music]

[0:53] [music]

[0:58] [music]

[0:59] >> All right, thrill seekers. That was a

[1:01] little bit of Thunderball, the version

[1:03] by Billy Strange. I found this at a

[1:05] thrift store Goodwill in Glendora,

[1:07] California a couple of weeks ago and

[1:09] I've been playing the album incessantly

[1:11] ever since. It's my favorite song. It is

[1:13] packed with great songs and it is not on

[1:15] Spotify, but I think it's on YouTube, so

[1:18] you can listen to it there.

[1:19] And I wanted to thank my loyal viewer

[1:22] Eugene, who sent me this. It's a

[1:26] official Dodgers Godzilla minus zero

[1:29] bobblehead. Oh, he lost his He lost his

[1:31] bat there.

[1:33] Anyway, it's you get these if you go to

[1:36] the Dodger games

[1:37] on the special nights and Eugene sent me

[1:41] the one that he got when he went there.

[1:42] Thank you very much, Eugene. So today I

[1:45] wanted to talk about this book,

[1:46] Tassajara stories, a sort of memoir oral

[1:50] history of the first Zen Buddhist

[1:52] monastery in the West the first year

[1:53] 1967 by David Chadwick. David Chadwick

[1:57] was a friend of mine. I didn't know

[1:59] David well, but but I knew him enough

[2:02] that I feel like it's safe to call him a

[2:04] friend and he contacted me

[2:07] in the late summer, early fall, I guess,

[2:10] of 2025, last year,

[2:13] telling me about this book, asking if

[2:14] he'd send a copy, and saying that asking

[2:17] if I could do an interview with him or

[2:19] some promotion for it on my YouTube

[2:21] channel. And I said, yes, but I was deep

[2:25] into chemotherapy at the time that I

[2:27] received this book, and I just wasn't

[2:30] even up to to reading the thing, let

[2:32] alone trying to set up

[2:33] call. He lived in Indonesia, and trying

[2:35] to set up a Zoom call for Indonesia was

[2:37] just overwhelming to me at that moment.

[2:40] And I finally got a break from the

[2:42] chemotherapy, and I'm like, I'm ready to

[2:45] do this do this interview, and the next

[2:47] thing I know, I'd heard he died. He had

[2:49] mentioned to me going to the hospital

[2:51] for some tests, but I had no idea it was

[2:54] that serious. So, I'm sorry, David

[2:57] Chadwick, that I did not get to your

[2:59] book in time, but now I'm getting to it.

[3:01] So,

[3:02] just to give you a little bit of

[3:03] background on David Chadwick. The reason

[3:05] you are watching this video at all is

[3:08] probably thanks to David Chadwick's

[3:10] book, Thank You and Okay. Uh what's it

[3:13] called? An American Zen Failure in

[3:15] Japan.

[3:17] And this is I picked this book up at the

[3:20] Tower Records bookstore in Tokyo when I

[3:22] lived there. And at the time, my

[3:25] teachers, both of my teachers, Tim, my

[3:27] first teacher, and Nishijima Roshi,

[3:28] knowing my interest in being a writer,

[3:31] had said I should write a book about Zen

[3:33] Buddhism. And I was like, yeah, I can't

[3:35] write a book about Zen Buddhism. I've

[3:37] read a lot of books about Zen Buddhism,

[3:38] but I was like, I can't write one of

[3:39] those. And I and I read this, and I'm

[3:41] like, oh, if you can write a book about

[3:44] Zen Buddhism like this one, which is

[3:46] which is full of humor and just personal

[3:49] stories, and just it's a really good,

[3:52] really fun read.

[3:54] Uh then then maybe I can write a book

[3:56] about Zen Buddhism and that launched me

[3:58] on what became Hardcore Zen.

[4:01] Hit the book Hardcore Zen, my first

[4:03] published book.

[4:05] And he also wrote David Chad Chadwick

[4:07] also wrote this book Crooked Cucumber,

[4:09] which is a biography of Shunryu Suzuki,

[4:13] the the guy who founded the San

[4:14] Francisco Zen Center. Also a very good

[4:17] book, very entertaining read on that

[4:20] story. And he's written a few other

[4:22] books, but the ones I just showed you

[4:24] are kind of the ones the best known of

[4:25] his books.

[4:27] Uh this one, like I said, came out last

[4:29] year and I believe that the second

[4:32] volume of it is due out very soon or

[4:34] maybe out already. They are it's

[4:36] published by the same people who are

[4:37] publishing my forthcoming book, which is

[4:40] Zen in the Art of Japanese Monster

[4:42] Movies, which is Monkfish.

[4:44] Uh so they they also publish my book or

[4:46] my my

[4:47] mostly Nishijima Roshi's book

[4:49] Fundamental Wisdom of the Middle Way.

[4:51] Uh so so that's another little

[4:54] connection I have there. I met David at

[4:56] Tassajara a couple of times. I he came

[5:00] and visited me when I lived in Akron and

[5:02] I made a video about that, which I put

[5:04] up I re-published it a few months ago

[5:07] right after I heard that he died.

[5:09] So yeah, that's that's my connection

[5:11] with David Chadwick. So let me tell you

[5:13] about the book. Uh the book, as it says,

[5:16] is a short a sort of memoir oral history

[5:19] of Tassajara. It's It's the story of

[5:22] Tassajara, which as the book title says,

[5:25] was the first Zen Buddhist monastery in

[5:27] the West. And it was founded in 1967 by

[5:30] Shunryu Suzuki. And it's it's a great

[5:33] way to learn about it. It's not an

[5:36] academic sort of history of the place

[5:38] that's dry and boring. It's It's a

[5:41] collection of stories,

[5:43] stories that happened directly to David

[5:45] Chadwick himself, who was there for a

[5:47] lot of the beginning of Tassajara, and

[5:50] stories that he heard from other people

[5:51] who were at Tassajara. And so, let me

[5:54] let me tell you Tassajara, like my

[5:56] version of Tassajara. Tassajara is a Zen

[5:59] monastery in northern California. Did I

[6:02] just say that? I don't know. I'm not

[6:03] keeping track.

[6:05] And it is up in the What's the Ventana

[6:07] Wilderness? It's not It's It's near Big

[6:10] Sur, but when you say near Big Sur, it's

[6:13] near Big Sur as the crow flies, as they

[6:15] say, but it's not really, you know, it

[6:17] takes you like an hour or something to

[6:19] get to Big Sur itself. So, it's up there

[6:21] in northern California. It is deep in

[6:23] the wilderness, in a valley. You have to

[6:26] travel up up up up a mountain, and I

[6:29] think it's a mountain, I don't know.

[6:30] Feels like a mountain. And then down

[6:31] down down down down into the valley.

[6:34] And the drive there, God, I forgot how

[6:36] many miles the drive there. It's like a

[6:38] 4-mile drive, I think, something like

[6:40] that. It It takes over an hour to make

[6:42] that drive because it is so rocky and

[6:46] windy. The road is not paved. I only

[6:48] drove there once myself. Every other

[6:51] time I took a ride in from a, you know,

[6:53] a semi-professional, somebody who'd

[6:55] driven the road before.

[6:57] Uh

[6:58] I only did it once, and I really

[7:00] regretted having done it. I did it in a

[7:01] PT Cruiser, and it almost ruined the PT

[7:04] Cruiser. Uh so, uh I I went to Tassajara

[7:08] just about every summer for a period of,

[7:11] I think, around 5 years. I'm not really

[7:14] sure. I'll show you some pictures. I'll

[7:16] put them up on the screen. I'll have to

[7:18] edit the pictures in later after I do

[7:20] the video, so I'm not going to comment

[7:21] specifically on on what you see in the

[7:24] pictures. You'll just have to figure it

[7:25] out yourself. Um but I went there for a

[7:28] period of about 5 years, always during

[7:30] the summer. And the deal with Tassajara

[7:33] is

[7:35] in the

[7:36] pre-colonial

[7:38] days, before uh

[7:39] you know, Europeans came to the United

[7:42] States, it had been a sweat lodge or

[7:44] something for the Native Americans. Uh

[7:46] there are hot springs down in the valley

[7:49] and they had discovered the

[7:51] and they were using them. Uh the word

[7:53] Tassajara apparently comes from a native

[7:56] word meaning to the place where you

[7:58] smoke meat. So, yeah, they're smoking

[8:00] meat. Ooh, getting high off that meat.

[8:03] No, no, they were smoking meat.

[8:04] Whatever. Anyway, uh there's no meat

[8:06] smoked down there now cuz they're

[8:08] vegetarian these days. Uh and then in

[8:11] the I think starting in the 1800s

[8:14] sometimes, maybe maybe earlier than

[8:16] that, uh it had become a kind of a

[8:18] destination place for for tourists to

[8:21] kind of go down there and a hotel was

[8:23] built down there around the hot springs

[8:26] and they had a bar and they had a

[8:28] ballroom and they had like swinging

[8:30] nightlife and all kinds of stuff down

[8:32] there. But by the 1960s

[8:35] it had fallen on hard times and not many

[8:37] people were coming to Tassajara anymore.

[8:40] And the people who owned it wanted to

[8:42] sell it and there were a lot of bidders

[8:43] I guess or a certain amount of bidders

[8:46] who wanted to buy it and one of them was

[8:48] the San Francisco Zen Center. Shunryu

[8:51] Suzuki, who had founded the San

[8:52] Francisco Zen Center, wanted to start a

[8:55] monastic center and he looked at two

[8:57] places which is Green Gulch, which is up

[9:00] north of San Francisco somewhere. I

[9:03] don't know that area very well. And

[9:05] Tassajara. And eventually, they

[9:07] eventually bought both of the

[9:08] properties, but Tassajara was the first

[9:11] one. And he liked Tassajara, Suzuki

[9:14] Roshi liked Tassajara a lot because of

[9:16] its remoteness and its beauty and the

[9:18] Japanese people are crazy for hot spring

[9:21] baths. So, I'm sure that really appealed

[9:23] to him as well.

[9:25] Uh

[9:26] and it was a very ambitious project to

[9:29] get this thing underway and you get a

[9:31] sense of that in the book.

[9:33] My understanding of the whole thing or

[9:35] my, you know, the way I put it together

[9:37] in my mind is that Suzuki Roshi had the

[9:40] vision to start Tassajara, but the guy

[9:42] who really made it happen was a guy

[9:44] named Richard Baker. And there's a lot

[9:46] of stuff, a lot of scandalous stuff

[9:48] about Richard Baker. You can read about

[9:50] it in a book called Shoes Outside the

[9:52] Door, which is sort of the dark side of

[9:54] the Tassajara story,

[9:56] what happened after Suzuki Roshi died,

[9:59] and then Baker Roshi got a little

[10:02] big-headed,

[10:03] we can say, and had some issues and

[10:06] ended up being booted out of the place

[10:09] unceremoniously. Although I was there

[10:12] the day he came back for the very first

[10:15] time in God knows how long, 30 or more

[10:18] years.

[10:20] And he gave a talk there.

[10:22] I met him for a second. I'm sure he

[10:23] doesn't remember me. I actually met him

[10:25] in Germany a year before that, which I'm

[10:28] sure he doesn't remember either.

[10:30] I saw him give a talk somewhere in

[10:32] Germany when I happened to be there.

[10:34] So, he's the guy that made it happen.

[10:37] The guy who documented what happened is

[10:40] David Chadwick, and the book is is

[10:42] incredibly entertaining. It really tells

[10:45] the story, like I said,

[10:47] and it gives you enough of the sort of

[10:50] background that you'd want from an

[10:51] academic book, enough for me. I don't

[10:53] really need to have all that.

[10:54] Apparently, I checked out the

[10:57] other books by the author, and

[11:00] David Chadwick also did I don't have it,

[11:02] or maybe I have it somewhere, I don't

[11:03] know. He He did another sort of more

[11:05] academic history of Tassajara.

[11:08] That's not nearly as as popular. And I

[11:11] think I read it, or at least part of it

[11:13] at Tassajara itself. Tassajara,

[11:17] like I said, it's a it's a monastery.

[11:19] They just had a big sort of tragedy

[11:21] there where somebody burnt down their

[11:23] Zendo.

[11:24] And they are doing a fundraiser. I

[11:27] happen to know when the fundraiser is

[11:28] cuz I got invited to it, but there's

[11:30] with my current condition, there's just

[11:32] no way I'm going to make it up there.

[11:34] But on November 13th, they're doing a

[11:36] fundraiser in San Francisco to to raise

[11:39] money to buy to to build a new zendo, to

[11:42] not buy one cuz you can't just go to

[11:44] IKEA and buy a zendo. But anyway,

[11:46] they're going to rebuild the zendo and

[11:48] they need some money for that.

[11:50] So that

[11:51] I spent a lot of time in that in that

[11:55] what do you call it? What did I just

[11:56] call zendo? I only ever went to

[11:59] Tassajara during the summer guest season

[12:02] and what they did, and this is

[12:05] this is written about in the book,

[12:07] they they had guests, paying guests, who

[12:10] would come there to enjoy the hot

[12:11] springs and enjoy nice food and things

[12:14] like that. And the agreement they made

[12:17] with the people who owned the place

[12:19] before San Francisco Zen Center took it

[12:21] over was that they would continue to

[12:24] have a guest season.

[12:26] And and they did that. And what happens

[12:29] during guest season is paying guests,

[12:30] like I said, will come and pay and stay

[12:33] at the place and enjoy the hot springs,

[12:35] etc., etc.

[12:36] And the way they make that work is they

[12:40] have basically kind of slave labor It's

[12:42] not really slave labor. I almost said

[12:44] slave labor. They they have unpaid

[12:46] labor, which is students like me. I I

[12:49] went in there always as a I don't know

[12:52] what they call it, a guest student or

[12:54] something like that. And what you do is

[12:57] you you live a kind of monastic

[13:00] schedule, not like a practice period or

[13:03] ango schedule, but you do have to get up

[13:06] at 4:30 in the morning,

[13:08] do zazen,

[13:10] do a bunch of ceremonies and stuff, and

[13:12] then the rest of the day you're working.

[13:14] Most of the time when I was down there,

[13:16] they put me in the dining room

[13:18] serving food to the guests, which I

[13:20] always enjoyed that and I I think they

[13:23] liked it the Tassajara people liked it

[13:25] cuz sometimes guests would recognize me

[13:27] and it was sort of like, "Hey, look, we

[13:29] got Brad Warner, you know, the guy who

[13:30] wrote all the Zen books is working in

[13:32] our

[13:33] in our dining room." And yeah, sometimes

[13:35] guests would would recognize me and chat

[13:37] me up, and sometimes other stu- a lot of

[13:38] times other students would recognize me.

[13:40] I got pretty recognized down there. It

[13:42] was hard for me to be anonymous in that

[13:44] place. But I really liked it. I I always

[13:47] made It was It's kind of a summer camp

[13:49] feel where I I never did summer camp

[13:51] when I was a kid, but I understand from

[13:54] people who did it what it's like. And it

[13:56] was like that I made these like really

[13:59] close friendships. It felt like real,

[14:01] you know, close bonding, and then never

[14:03] saw the people. Uh there was a couple of

[14:06] people who I met at Tassajara who I saw

[14:08] again afterwards, but most of the people

[14:10] that I met at Tassajara, hi, if you're

[14:12] watching, I uh probably remember you,

[14:14] but I've probably forgotten your name

[14:16] because I forget everybody's names.

[14:17] Sorry, that's just my brain doesn't

[14:19] retain names very well.

[14:22] But yeah, you would make make strong

[14:23] friendships there, and then never see

[14:25] these people again.

[14:27] And it's a bit um

[14:29] it it was a

[14:30] absolutely wonderful place. If you have

[14:32] any opportunity to go there even as a

[14:36] paying guest, and just to enjoy the hot

[14:38] springs and everything, or you can sign

[14:40] up. I don't know how difficult it is to

[14:44] get a spot as one of these sort of guest

[14:46] workers. You don't have to pay anything.

[14:48] I think you have to pay the first time

[14:50] that you're a guest worker, like this

[14:51] kind of um

[14:53] I don't know, like a a fee to do the

[14:56] when you do the application or

[14:57] something. Application fee, is that what

[14:58] they call it? Anyway, I think I paid

[15:01] like $70 one time to do the application

[15:03] fee or something. But then I didn't have

[15:05] to pay, but then I didn't get paid. Uh

[15:07] apparently if you're there long enough,

[15:08] they start paying you, but I was never

[15:10] there long enough. The longest I ever

[15:12] spent at Tassajara was 6 weeks. Most of

[15:15] the time I went there for 3 or 4 weeks

[15:18] uh during the summer to to work at the

[15:20] place, and and just uh and just do the

[15:23] zazen and do the schedule. It's a great

[15:25] great place.

[15:26] The book is

[15:28] mostly little stories that David

[15:31] Chadwick remembered or the people told

[15:33] him about things that happened at

[15:34] Tassajara and they're told kind of

[15:36] sequentially. There's a little bit of

[15:38] dirt and scandal, not a lot. There is a

[15:41] guy that Chadwick refers to only as the

[15:44] bishop and he's some kind of I'm

[15:47] gathering that he's Japanese. I don't

[15:49] even know if it says specifically in

[15:50] there that he's Japanese. That's just

[15:52] what I imagined. Maybe it says. But he

[15:54] seems to be have been

[15:56] big deal with the Soto organization in

[16:01] America cuz Soto has a branch. They have

[16:03] a branch temple in Los Angeles.

[16:05] And yeah,

[16:07] and this guy seemed to have been a big

[16:09] deal there and he had some stuff going

[16:13] on that is written about in the book

[16:15] that's kind of scandalous. The other

[16:17] thing that was sort of like I had to

[16:19] reach for my smelling salts when I read

[16:21] it was about Kobun Chino Otogawa Roshi

[16:24] who was my first Zen teacher's teacher.

[16:28] I never met Kobun himself. I really

[16:30] regret that. But

[16:32] the scandal with Kobun isn't quite as

[16:34] bad as the scandal with the bishop. But

[16:37] apparently Kobun got involved with

[16:40] somebody he shouldn't have got involved

[16:41] with. And what what's interesting is I

[16:43] had didn't realize how young Kobun was

[16:45] and how young Katagiri Roshi who was the

[16:47] other person. So Shunryu Suzuki when he

[16:50] started Tassajara realized he was going

[16:52] to need some help from Japan. So he got

[16:55] these two guys, Katagiri Roshi and Kobun

[16:58] Roshi who came from Japan and even

[17:00] though they were both Roshis at the

[17:02] time, they were very young. They were I

[17:05] don't think either of them was even 30

[17:07] years old. So it was a lot of young

[17:09] people running the place which is

[17:12] which is one of the weird sort of

[17:14] effects of

[17:16] how Tassajara is now. So a lot of the

[17:19] people who are mentioned in the book I

[17:21] met at Tassajara, but I met them as old

[17:25] people. You know, I mean, probably

[17:28] my age or older when I met them.

[17:31] And and so they were no longer the young

[17:33] people that they were, but there's this

[17:35] kind of

[17:36] I think for a lot of the people who

[17:39] started Tassajara in the '60s when they

[17:41] were 25 or you know, that you know,

[17:43] somewhere in that age range.

[17:47] Uh they're still 25 years old as far as

[17:49] they're, you know,

[17:50] they kind of still think like they're 25

[17:52] years old and starting this place and

[17:54] they don't understand why the young

[17:55] people aren't coming anymore. And and

[17:57] that that's always one of the dilemmas.

[17:59] One of the things they they liked about

[18:00] having me is they would have lectures.

[18:02] They'd have me do a lecture even though

[18:04] I wasn't getting paid. Anyway, uh they'd

[18:06] have me do lectures down there sometimes

[18:09] and also lead services down there

[18:11] sometimes.

[18:13] And

[18:14] the one of the reasons, which is the

[18:16] reason I get invited a lot of places, is

[18:18] to let's bring in the young people, even

[18:20] though I'm not a young person anymore,

[18:21] but I guess I have an appeal

[18:23] uh to young people,

[18:25] uh which these guys have apparently not

[18:28] got anymore.

[18:30] Uh so, yeah. And I've been kind of

[18:32] critical of uh Tassajara and San

[18:34] Francisco Zen Center on this YouTube

[18:37] channel and I, you know, I feel a little

[18:39] bit bad about that. I don't I I'm not

[18:42] taking back any of the things I said,

[18:45] but I think they were taken by a lot of

[18:48] people

[18:49] as being much stronger than they are.

[18:51] Because I I feel like Tassajara is for

[18:54] the vast, most, whatever, 98%, 99% is a

[18:59] great, great place, but there's like

[19:01] they got some issues, you know, this

[19:04] this kind of creeping wokeness that they

[19:06] they tend to I think they've stopped

[19:08] doing this, but for a while they they

[19:10] tended to have uh

[19:12] that really focused on political and

[19:14] social issues and stuff. And I this

[19:16] might have been part of their

[19:19] idea of getting the young people more

[19:21] involved in the place or something. I

[19:22] don't know, but it it kind of detracted

[19:24] from the Zen thing because people would

[19:26] get mixed up. Uh they would think that

[19:28] these political issues were Zen issues

[19:30] and things. And and I I think they've

[19:32] they've uh pulled back on that some,

[19:35] which is which is great. And I'm I'm I'm

[19:37] happy to see that they've they've uh

[19:39] cooled that down a little bit. Uh it

[19:42] still sort of happens. Uh and and just

[19:46] it's

[19:46] Here's something that's going to be

[19:47] taken wrong, which is in order to build

[19:51] a place like Tassajara, it's a major

[19:54] undertaking. And it requires a kind of

[19:57] ambitiousness. And this is what Richard

[20:00] Baker brought to the table. He was an

[20:02] ambitious person, energetic guy, uh

[20:06] a guy who was well-connected, a guy who

[20:08] liked to sort of schmooze with the

[20:10] people and figured out how to get rich

[20:12] people to donate to the place. You know,

[20:14] that's one of the other things that's a

[20:16] little iffy about Tassajara, which is

[20:19] iffy about every Zen monastery all over

[20:22] the world. Is maybe there's an exception

[20:25] or two here and there, but most of them

[20:27] are very dependent upon rich people to

[20:30] donate. And part of what they have to do

[20:32] is keep the rich people happy so the

[20:34] rich people keep donating. So,

[20:37] there's always that going on. And I saw

[20:40] some of that go on. I never saw anything

[20:42] really egregious or scandalous, but I

[20:45] saw how they they kind of um kissed up

[20:47] to the to the rich folks to keep them

[20:50] coming and keep them happy and keep them

[20:51] sending money. So, that's one of the

[20:54] things you got to do.

[20:55] And And it's this interesting dichotomy

[20:57] because in order to have this retreat

[21:00] space, which is a wonderful, wonderful

[21:02] thing to have, uh I can't say enough

[21:04] about how great it is to have this

[21:06] space, you got to do you got to kind of

[21:09] make this little deal with the devil to

[21:11] make it to to make it happen in the

[21:13] first place and to keep it happening.

[21:16] And so, some of the criticisms

[21:19] I've said on this YouTube channel have

[21:20] been aimed at that sort of thing, but

[21:22] it's not that I think it's a bad place

[21:24] at all. Somebody I know

[21:26] referred to Taosahra disparagingly as a

[21:28] Zen dude ranch. And I didn't even know

[21:31] what really what a dude ranch was, but a

[21:32] dude ranch is like where you go to a

[21:35] place and you get to pretend you're a

[21:36] cowboy, but it's all very safe and

[21:38] sanitized and it's not real cowboy life.

[21:40] Real cowboy life is a lot more dangerous

[21:43] and dirty than that. And and these

[21:45] people thought it was whoever it was who

[21:47] was talking thought that Taosahra was a

[21:49] Zen dude ranch. It's not a Zen dude

[21:51] ranch. It is a legitimate Zen monastery

[21:53] in every sense of the word. It's just an

[21:56] American Zen monastery, which makes it

[21:58] quite different from a Japanese Zen

[22:00] monastery or a I don't know if there are

[22:02] any Zen monasteries in China still

[22:04] operating. I guess they've they've

[22:05] brought a few of them back, but a Zen

[22:07] monastery in Thailand or anywhere else

[22:09] that or Korea, wherever they're

[22:10] happening.

[22:12] Uh it's every bit as legitimate as that

[22:14] as one of those Asian monasteries, but

[22:16] it's different because the American

[22:19] culture is different, American people

[22:21] are different, and they expect different

[22:22] things, and this is the way you have to

[22:25] make it run. So, yeah,

[22:27] I don't know what else I can say. I've

[22:28] kind of rambled a lot, but I hope that

[22:30] made some sense. Taosahra Stories is a

[22:33] really wonderful book, and I highly

[22:34] recommend it. It's It's one of those

[22:36] books where there are sort of Zen

[22:40] teachings in the book, but they're

[22:41] they're sprinkled in

[22:44] David Chadwick does a great job of this

[22:47] in all of his books. He he He's wiser He

[22:51] was wiser.

[22:53] He's probably still wiser somewhere

[22:55] than he let on because he kind of He He

[22:58] always had kind of

[22:59] cultivated an image which which I sort

[23:02] of cultivate myself as kind of a lovable

[23:05] goofball kind of guy, but he was much

[23:07] wiser than he let on, and some of that

[23:09] wisdom does come through in the book,

[23:11] but it's not a book of, it's not like a,

[23:14] a book of Zen philosophy, although

[23:15] there's Zen philosophy in it. There's

[23:17] Zen philosophy in all of his books, as I

[23:19] said.

[23:20] So, if you want to get a little bit of

[23:21] that, uh, Zen philosophy in, in a

[23:24] package that makes it more palatable

[23:26] than maybe your average sort of Zen

[23:28] book, uh, that's, uh, I I highly

[23:31] recommended it, and, uh,

[23:33] second volume is out soon. I hope that,

[23:35] uh, Monkfish Books sends me a copy of

[23:37] that. That would be really nice of them.

[23:39] Uh, just a little hint there to the

[23:41] folks at Monkfish. Uh, so, there you go.

[23:43] The Tassajara stories, highly

[23:45] recommended, good book. I'm not getting

[23:47] paid to do this except in, uh, in free

[23:49] books, or a free book. So, [snorts]

[23:52] there you go. All right, that's all I

[23:54] got to say about Tassajara stories. I

[23:56] hope you enjoyed that. Uh, if you want

[23:58] to donate to me, uh, doing more videos

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[24:14] Once again, hardcorezen.info/donate.

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[24:29] want to support me. All right, we will

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[24:32] good time all the time. Bye. Hi, Ziggy.

[24:38] We should take you to Tassajara

[24:39] sometime. Would you like to go to

[24:40] Tassajara? Do they let Zaggies, doggies

[24:42] in Tassajara? They have cats there. They

[24:45] do.

[24:46] I'm serious. They have cats. A cat once

[24:48] once jumped on me in Tassajara. Jumped

[24:50] into my lap.

[24:52] Yeah.

[24:54] All right, Ziggy. We'll see you later.

[24:55] Bye.

[24:59] >> Tassajara, it's the place I want to be.

[25:02] Tassajara, the clean laundry's still

[25:04] dirty. Tassajara, you've got wilderness

[25:06] galore. Tassajara, get enlightened doing

[25:09] chores. You can't have sex in public.

[25:12] You can't hold hands since all the

[25:14] wisest monks all suppress their glands.

[25:17] >> Uh the Ino brings you food whenever you

[25:19] are sick. And if you hike down to the

[25:21] Narrows there's somewhere Oh wait, let

[25:23] me tell [laughter] you.

[25:24] Ino brings you food whenever you are

[25:26] sick. If you hike down to the Narrows

[25:28] there's someone to suck the poison out

[25:30] of your leg if you step on a snake.

[25:32] >> Tassajara, it's the place I want to be.

[25:35] Tassajara, the clean laundry's still

[25:37] dirty. Tassajara, you've got wilderness

[25:40] galore. Tassajara, get enlightened doing

[25:43] chores.

[25:45] >> [cheering]

[25:46] [applause]

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Tassajara Stories is a short memoir and oral history of Tassajara, the first Zen Buddhist monastery in the West, founded in 1967 by Shunryu Suzuki. It is built from stories Chadwick lived through and stories he collected from others who were at the monastery in its early years, according to Brad Warner's description in his video.
Tassajara sits deep in a valley in the Ventana Wilderness of northern California, near Big Sur. Brad Warner says the drive in takes over an hour on an unpaved, rocky, winding road, and that the valley's hot springs were used long before the monastery was founded.
Shunryu Suzuki founded Tassajara in 1967 as a monastic training center connected to the San Francisco Zen Center. Warner notes that Suzuki looked at more than one property before settling on Tassajara, which had been a hot-spring resort.
Warner says his teachers, Tim and Nishijima Roshi, encouraged him to write about Zen, and he doubted he could. Reading David Chadwick's memoir Thank You and Okay, an American Zen failure in Japan, convinced him that a funny, personal Zen book was possible, and that launched Hardcore Zen.
An oral history collects firsthand memories and anecdotes rather than official chronology. Warner describes Tassajara Stories as a collection of stories rather than a dry academic history, which lets it capture the daily life, humor, and personalities of the early community.
Guest season is the period when Tassajara welcomes paying guests to stay at the monastery. Warner mentions it while describing the place's rhythm, contrasting it with the monastic practice that otherwise defines life there.

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