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Inspiration

Honoring Zen Ancestors: Generosity in Daily Practice

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San Francisco Zen Center
Oct 28, 2026
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De San Francisco Zen Center

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In a dharma talk given at Beginner's Mind Temple in San Francisco and recorded on October 17, 2026, Shundo David Haye reflected on the moment right after completing dharma transmission, the traditional process through which a student is formally recognized in the Zen lineage he practices in. He did not dwell on his own milestone. He turned toward the ancestors: the Buddhas who came before the historical Buddha, the generations of teachers who carried the practice forward, and the people who sweep, cook, ring the bells and quietly hold a temple together every day. Through a borrowed black robe, a three-week wait for his knees to recover, and a daily ceremony built around a passage by the thirteenth-century master Dogen, he made a single argument: gratitude and generosity are closely bound together, and the gift we have received from those who came before is something we are asked to take up in our own bodies, not merely admire.

The talk opens the way a good Zen talk should, with a small joke and a larger reversal. Shundo David Haye asked who in the room was there for the first time, noted the many hands raised, and then reminded everyone that the building's name was no accident. "This is called Beginner's Mind Temple for a reason," he said. "So if you have no idea what's going on, that's just fine." Then he offered a line that carries the whole talk inside it: "You never know what's going to happen. So 27 years ago I happened to come to this building to meet someone by chance. And now look at me."

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What Is Dharma Transmission, and Why Give a Talk Right After?

Shundo David Haye explained that he had just finished a process called dharma transmission, and that it is traditional for the newly transmitted person to give a talk immediately afterward. He also noted, with some humor, that it took three weeks to get him on the schedule, and that the delay had helped his knees recover from the many prostrations he had been doing. Prostrations are not a side detail in this context. They are physical practice, repeated bowing that asks the body to take part in what the mind is learning, and the talk keeps returning to that link between body and understanding.

He also pointed listeners toward the Zen Center's talk archive, which he said he helped maintain, and mentioned that he had recently listened to a talk by the central abbot, "remembering Darlene Cohen." The archive, he suggested, is a way to hear how others have described this same passage in their own lives. For a listener who has never encountered the process, that is a useful reminder: transmission is not a single dramatic event but a long chain of people who went through it before and who left their words behind.

How Did a Borrowed Robe Become a Lesson in Generosity?

The most concrete thread in the talk is a robe. Shundo David Haye described his black outer robe, the koromo, and recalled that on his ordination day, 17 and a half years earlier, his ordination teacher Paul had handled the fabric and remarked that it felt like a plastic bag. The robe, he admitted, does not handle heat well. Because he had been doing prostrations on the hottest day the area had seen in two years, he was overheating and asked whether anyone had an older koromo tucked away in a cupboard that might let him sweat less.

What came back was far more than he asked for. As he told it, someone offered a brand-new koromo from Japan that had never come out of its box, still pinned and basted into place. He treated the gift as a teaching. Gratitude, he said, is "very closely connected" with generosity, and he described the image he had been holding: "the open hand of giving. The open hand of the perfection of giving."

"I feel, you know, very strongly that I have been, you know, the recipient of so much generosity during this process, during my 27 years of being associated with the Zen Center. And I want to appreciate that and express that appreciation."

— Shundo David Haye, dharma talk at Beginner's Mind Temple, San Francisco Zen Center (2026; approximately 6:00 into the recording)

The point is not that a robe is precious. It is that the ordinary objects and favors of a practice community are carriers of something larger. A neighbor's spare garment, a set of benefactors who helped him through three weeks away from work, the people who organized a fundraiser: each is a small act of the same open hand that the tradition calls the perfection of giving.

What Does "Perfection of Generosity" Mean When You Feel You Can't Practice It?

Shundo David Haye was candid about the doubt that arises when Buddhist language talks about perfection. He admitted that a voice in his head responds, "Wait a minute, I can't even do the imperfection of generosity. I can't even do the imperfection of wisdom. What are we talking about here?" He did not dismiss that voice. He used it as a doorway. The practice, he said, asks us to go beyond our limited ways of thinking and to recognize that ourselves, everyone else, and this moment we are living are "much more than we're ever going to think of, or ever going to know about, or have stories or opinions about."

That is a useful reframe for anyone who has ever hesitated to call themselves generous or wise because they fall short. The talk suggests that perfection in this sense is not a grade. It is a direction, and the evidence of it is found in how we receive what others have offered and how readily we pass it along.

What Is Dogen's Passage on Actualizing the Buddha Ancestors?

The center of the talk is a quotation from Dogen, whom Shundo David Haye described as the Japanese founder of this lineage. The passage comes from a chapter of Dogen's major work, the Shobogenzo, which he translated loosely as the Treasury of the True Dharma Eye, and it is written in the 1200s, in the first half of the thirteenth century. The quotation is not decorative. It is recited as part of a ceremony the community performs every day, which begins with the passage, moves through a list of ancestors, and closes with the passage again. He had recited it every day for three weeks as part of his transmission.

"Now, actualizing the Buddha ancestors means to bring them forth and look at them respectfully. It is not limited to the Buddhas of past, present, and future, but it is going beyond Buddhas who are going beyond themselves. It is taking up those who have maintained the face and eye of Buddha ancestors, formally bowing and meeting them. They have manifested the virtue of the Buddha ancestors, dwelt in it, and actualized it in the body."

— Dogen, Shobogenzo, as read by Shundo David Haye in his dharma talk at Beginner's Mind Temple (2026; approximately 7:57 into the recording)

Shundo David Haye said that when he spoke these lines, he felt he was invoking the Buddha ancestors, from Vipasyin Buddha and Shikhi Buddha to Visabhu Buddha, the Buddhas before the historical Buddha who lived two and a half thousand years ago, and "every single Buddha in between, every single ancestor in between." The word that matters most in the passage is "actualize." It is not enough to know the ancestors or to hold them in reverence. To actualize them is to embody their virtue, to "dwell in it," and let it show up in the body and in conduct. The ancestors are not a finished archive. They become present through what we do.

That is also why the talk returns so often to the body. Prostrations, robes that overheat, knees that need weeks to recover, the physical labor of ringing bells and putting out mats: these are not obstacles to the teaching. They are how the teaching gets actualized.

How Do Monthly Memorials and Offerings Keep the Lineage Alive?

Shundo David Haye described a set of practices that give the ancestors a regular place in the life of the temple. He spoke of making offerings to other teachers, and of a monthly memorial the community holds. In the ceremony he performs, he said he goes through a list of names and chose to add four more of his own to it. The gesture makes the ancestral line personal. It is not a generic recitation of distant figures. It includes teachers he knew, teachers who shaped him, and people whose lives touched his.

He also referred to the way Zen teaching has long insisted that the self is not the center of the story. He spoke of the "deluded simple self that thinks it" is in charge, and described a practice of connecting the whole temple through ritual. The memorial is one of the ways a community declares, in public and together, that it is part of something older and wider than any single member.

What Does It Mean to "Honor Their True Being"?

The talk builds toward a request. Near its close, Shundo David Haye asked, "So, can we do our part?" and then offered a line that works as a summary: "Let us honor their true being." The question is not whether the ancestors were generous. It is whether those who inherit the practice can be generous in return, so that the dharma remains available to the people who come after, including those who will someday watch this recording and find that its present moment has become theirs.

He framed the talk as a small lesson rather than a final word. He invited listeners to reach out with questions afterward, and acknowledged he had to leave town quickly that day because he was officiating at a wedding. The brevity itself carried a message. A lineage is not sustained by long speeches. It is sustained by the daily, unglamorous acts of bowing, cooking, cleaning, reciting and receiving.

Where to go from here

If this talk stirred something, there are several natural next steps. Read the passage from Dogen's Shobogenzo in full and notice how the word "actualize" recurs in his writing. Explore the San Francisco Zen Center talk archive, which Shundo David Haye mentioned as a place where other people who completed dharma transmission describe the same process in their own words. Browse the practice calendar at sfzc.org/calendar to find sittings and offerings near you, and consider the Zen Center's newsletter for updates on talks like this one. Most of all, consider the question he left in the room: what would it look like to take up what the ancestors have given you, and to bring it forward into the body and the community you share?

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[0:01] [music]

[0:07] [music]

[0:47] Good morning everybody and welcome to

[0:49] Beginner's Mind Temple. My name is

[0:51] Shindo.

[0:52] Um it's wonderful to be here on this

[0:54] beautiful San Francisco morning which is

[0:58] very warm and the whole building smells

[1:00] like it's amazing.

[1:02] Um so welcome everyone in the room.

[1:04] Welcome to everyone who's watching

[1:05] online and welcome to everyone who's

[1:07] watching the recording at some future

[1:09] time which makes this their present

[1:11] moment as well.

[1:14] Um so please who is here for the first

[1:15] time in the building?

[1:18] Oh goodness.

[1:19] So many of you. Well, welcome.

[1:22] Uh this is called Beginner's Mind Temple

[1:24] for a reason.

[1:25] So if you have no idea what's going on,

[1:27] that's just fine.

[1:29] And

[1:30] I just want to say you never know what's

[1:32] going to happen.

[1:33] So 27 years ago I happened to come to

[1:35] this building to meet someone by chance.

[1:39] And now look at me. Here I am sitting

[1:41] here.

[1:43] Um so I've just finished a process

[1:45] called Dharma transmission which some of

[1:47] you may know about and it's very

[1:48] traditional to give a talk uh right

[1:51] after that process is finished.

[1:53] I'm very grateful that it actually took

[1:55] 3 weeks to get me on the schedule

[1:56] because it meant that my knees have

[1:58] recovered a little bit from uh all the

[2:00] prostrations that I was doing.

[2:03] Um

[2:04] and

[2:06] you know, everyone who's been through

[2:07] this process has given a talk, and I

[2:08] encourage you to go to the Zen Center

[2:11] talk archive, which is one of the things

[2:13] I helped to maintain. Um and you can

[2:15] find uh talks given by people, including

[2:18] our central abbot. I had a look at that

[2:20] one the other day, remembering Darlene

[2:22] Cohen.

[2:24] Um and you can hear what people have to

[2:27] say about this particular process. I'm

[2:29] going to share some of my thoughts about

[2:32] it.

[2:34] Uh and I have a lot of people to thank.

[2:36] Um

[2:38] we always start talk by thanking people,

[2:40] and my list starts Vibhashi Butsu

[2:42] Daisho, Shikhi Butsu Daisho, Vishaphu

[2:45] Butsu Daisho,

[2:47] uh the very ancient Buddhas before the

[2:49] historical Buddha.

[2:51] Uh but more seriously, I want to thank

[2:52] Tim uh for helping with the microphone,

[2:54] if nothing else. Also for helping get

[2:57] these robes finished on time.

[2:59] Um and thank you to the Abbot David for

[3:01] fitting me into the schedule.

[3:03] Um I know I'm intruding on a practice

[3:06] period, so I will try to say something

[3:08] about the parameters, or at least one

[3:09] parameter, I think.

[3:11] Um and there are any number of teachers

[3:13] from Vibhashi Butsu right down to the

[3:15] present day who I can

[3:17] express my gratitude towards.

[3:20] Um, maybe I'll talk a little bit about

[3:22] that uh, more about that in a minute.

[3:23] But also, thanking everyone in the

[3:25] temple, everyone in the temple here

[3:26] today, you know, the people who come on

[3:28] Saturdays to,

[3:30] uh, do all the roles, many of whom have

[3:32] been doing this for as long as I've been

[3:33] coming here. Which is more than a

[3:35] quarter of a century.

[3:37] Um the people who are in residence,

[3:39] you know, the people who helped me every

[3:42] day to do the different ceremonies I had

[3:43] to do.

[3:44] Getting up early in the morning before

[3:46] the wake-up bell, which is pretty early.

[3:49] Um helping ring the bells,

[3:51] helping put out the mats, helping offer

[3:54] the incense.

[3:55] But even the people that just were

[3:57] cooking or cleaning,

[3:59] doing all the other things that happen

[4:01] in this sangha to create this container

[4:04] of practice.

[4:05] Uh this container of practice that we're

[4:07] all uh swimming in right now.

[4:10] Uh this beautiful space, this beautiful

[4:12] energy,

[4:13] uh this beautiful practice that we

[4:15] create together.

[4:17] Uh and we're all creating this together

[4:18] right now today.

[4:20] Uh you know, I look around the room and

[4:21] I see many people I know from many

[4:24] times, and it's very encouraging. And

[4:26] people I don't know yet,

[4:28] which is also very encouraging. So we're

[4:30] sharing this practice space and time.

[4:34] Um also uh a couple of extra thank yous.

[4:36] I I started the GoFundMe because I

[4:38] wasn't able to work for 3 weeks, and I

[4:40] wanted to help offset some of the costs

[4:42] of that, and of course the donations,

[4:44] and I had many benefactors. Uh My main

[4:47] benefactors are actually sitting in the

[4:48] room, so I'm not going to embarrass

[4:50] them. Um but I'm so deeply grateful for

[4:52] the people who financially supported me.

[4:55] Um there's also somebody in this room

[4:57] who lent me their koromo, which is this

[4:59] black outer robe.

[5:01] Um so on my ordination day, 17 and a

[5:05] half years ago, uh Paul, who was my

[5:07] ordination teacher, kind of fingered

[5:09] this fabric and said, "Mm, it's a

[5:11] plastic bag." Um and it's a beautiful

[5:13] robe, but it really doesn't do very well

[5:15] in the heat. So

[5:17] um

[5:18] with all the prostrations that I was

[5:19] doing, and I started doing them on the

[5:21] hottest day that we'd had in 2 years, I

[5:23] was, you know, overheating a lot.

[5:26] And so I was asking if there was a

[5:27] spare, you know, old koromo somewhere in

[5:30] a cupboard, you know, that I could maybe

[5:33] uh sweat less in. And somebody offered

[5:35] me their brand new from Japan, had not

[5:39] come out of the box, was still pinned

[5:40] and basted into place uh koromo to wear,

[5:43] which is incredible generosity.

[5:47] Um and so this generosity that I've been

[5:49] the recipient of, I want to, you know,

[5:51] acknowledge.

[5:52] And I was thinking of gratitude being

[5:55] this kind of very closely connected

[5:58] uh, with generosity.

[6:00] Um, the open hand of giving.

[6:02] The open hand of the perfection of

[6:04] giving.

[6:05] Um, and I feel, you know, very strongly

[6:07] that I have been, you know, the

[6:09] recipient of so much generosity during

[6:11] this process, during my 27 years of

[6:14] being associated with the Zen Center.

[6:16] And I want to appreciate that and

[6:18] express that appreciation.

[6:22] And I know, you know, anytime

[6:24] people talk about the perfection of

[6:26] anything, perfection of generosity,

[6:29] you know, there's a little voice in my

[6:30] head that goes, "Wait a minute, I can't

[6:32] even do the imperfection of generosity.

[6:34] I can't even do the imperfection of

[6:36] wisdom. What are we talking about here?"

[6:38] Um, but this practice asks us and

[6:40] invites us

[6:42] to go beyond that.

[6:44] To go beyond, you know, our limited ways

[6:46] of thinking.

[6:48] Um, and that we ourselves,

[6:51] everyone else,

[6:52] uh, and this moment that we're all

[6:54] living is much more than we're ever

[6:56] going to think of, or ever going to know

[6:58] about, or have stories or opinions

[7:01] about.

[7:13] Excuse me, I did also want to say in the

[7:15] introductions, um,

[7:18] when Tim offered me this date on the

[7:19] calendar, I said, "That's great, and I

[7:20] have a wedding to officiate in the

[7:22] afternoon. Um, so unfortunately, there

[7:25] won't be a question and answer this

[7:26] time. If I stop talking relatively soon,

[7:28] maybe we'll have a chance for one or two

[7:30] questions in here. But I do have to get

[7:32] out of town, and the 101 is closed, and

[7:34] there's a no kings rally that's going to

[7:36] be assembling just south of here; so,

[7:39] um, I'm hoping to have a quick getaway

[7:41] after this.

[7:43] Um, so I want to read a quote uh by

[7:45] Dogen. Dogen is the Japanese founder of

[7:48] this lineage, this tradition that we

[7:50] practice in. Uh and we do very much uh

[7:54] you know, in accord with how Dogen

[7:57] talked about things and that was in the

[7:58] 1200s, you know, the first half of the

[8:00] 13th century.

[8:02] Um and this particular

[8:04] quote actually comes from a chapter that

[8:06] he wrote in his uh major work, the

[8:09] Shobogenzo, the Treasury of the True

[8:11] Dharma Eye.

[8:13] And this actually informs one of the

[8:15] ceremonies that we do every day.

[8:18] Um

[8:19] because it starts with this quote and it

[8:21] has all the list of ancestors and then

[8:22] it finishes with the quote.

[8:25] And this quote, which I got to say as

[8:27] part of the ceremony every day for 3

[8:28] weeks, is,"Now, actualizing the Buddha

[8:32] ancestors means to bring them forth and

[8:35] look at them respectfully.

[8:38] It is not limited to the Buddhas of

[8:39] past, present, and future, but it is

[8:42] going beyond Buddhas who are going

[8:45] beyond themselves.

[8:48] It is taking up those who have

[8:50] maintained the face and eye of Buddha

[8:53] ancestors,

[8:54] formally bowing and meeting them.

[8:57] They have manifested the virtue of the

[9:00] Buddha ancestors,

[9:02] dwelt in it, and actualized it in the

[9:05] body.

[9:06] So this is something, you know, when you

[9:08] say it. I felt when I was saying it I

[9:10] was invoking, you know, these Buddha

[9:12] ancestors,

[9:13] you know, going back to Vipasyin Buddha,

[9:15] Shikhi Buddha, Visabhu Buddha all these

[9:17] Buddhas before the historical Buddha

[9:19] lived 2 and 1/2 thousand years ago and

[9:22] every single Buddha in between, every

[9:23] single ancestor in between.

[9:26] And there is some very familiar Dogen

[9:30] words for those who know Dogen.

[9:33] Um actualizing,

[9:35] manifesting,

[9:37] um going beyond.

[9:39] And so, these are kind of two things,

[9:41] manifesting and actualizing means to

[9:42] bring this

[9:44] practice, this practice that has been

[9:46] maintained

[9:48] for thousands of years,

[9:50] and is now spreading to the west,

[9:52] bring this practice into this present

[9:54] moment.

[9:56] And it also talks about going beyond

[9:58] this present moment, going beyond this

[10:00] imperfection of wisdom or the

[10:02] self-doubting,

[10:03] "Oh, I can't do that."

[10:05] into this space where everything like

[10:07] that is possible.

[10:12] So, I want to talk a little bit about

[10:13] the daily ceremonies because

[10:15] they kind of speak to this in a certain

[10:16] way. So, early in the morning, and so,

[10:18] it was

[10:20] 4:30 most mornings and most days of the

[10:21] week,

[10:23] um, you get up and you do what's called

[10:25] a jundo, which is going around to the

[10:27] different altars in the building,

[10:28] starting right here.

[10:30] Um, they've [clears throat] taken down

[10:31] the two uh the figures, but you do

[10:33] prostrations to Shakyamuni. You

[10:35] prostration to Bodhidharma, the first

[10:37] ancestor in China who came from India

[10:39] around about 5 or 600, and he may or may

[10:42] not have existed as a real person.

[10:44] But, symbolically, he's the first

[10:46] ancestor in China. And another

[10:48] Bodhisattva, somebody the guardian of

[10:49] the practice, Dogen Shuryu.

[10:51] And then, you go around the building

[10:53] making offerings to other teachers. So,

[10:56] in the

[10:57] Kaisando, the founder's hall,

[10:59] uh on the second floor at the top of the

[11:01] stairs,

[11:02] uh which I'm right is the build is the

[11:04] room that Suzuki Roshi died in. Is that

[11:05] right?

[11:06] >> He died there for the last week.

[11:08] >> Right. Okay. Yeah, so that's when Suzuki

[11:10] Roshi stayed when he was dying in 1971

[11:12] in this building.

[11:14] And there's a founder's hall to him, a

[11:16] memorial hall to him.

[11:18] And there, you bow to Dogen, and you bow

[11:19] to Suzuki Roshi.

[11:22] And I was thinking of the line

[11:24] in every month we do a memorial uh on

[11:27] the 3rd and the 4th

[11:29] uh for the death of Suzuki Roshi to

[11:30] remember him,

[11:32] and him alive.

[11:33] And in the dedication

[11:35] uh that we do after the chant, when we

[11:38] do a chant, we always dedicate the merit

[11:40] of that chant to other beings.

[11:43] We're dedicating it to him, and it says,

[11:45] "May our life reveal their compassion.

[11:48] Let us honor their true being."

[11:51] Again, these are words that sometimes

[11:52] you can skate over.

[11:54] "May our life reveal their compassion.

[11:58] Let us honor their true being."

[12:00] That this true being is not this, you

[12:02] know, deluded simple self that thinks it

[12:04] can't do anything.

[12:06] The true being is the person beyond

[12:07] space and time.

[12:10] The person that connects with this

[12:11] awakening

[12:13] that we trust the historical Buddha had.

[12:16] And it's this same awakening that we're

[12:18] practicing right now. When we manifest

[12:21] the practice, when we actualize the

[12:23] practice, this is why these words are so

[12:25] important.

[12:27] It's not a theoretical thing. It's

[12:29] something that happens right here, right

[12:31] now, between all of us.

[12:38] And then there are other bows and other

[12:41] prostrations in different parts of the

[12:42] temple, just to connect the whole temple

[12:44] together. To acknowledge in in in this

[12:48] case, in my own practice, how all these

[12:50] different parts, the kitchen, the dining

[12:52] room, the bathroom, they're all a part

[12:54] of this practice, not just the zendo,

[12:55] not just the Buddha hall.

[13:00] And then after breakfast, there's a

[13:01] personal service which I do in my room.

[13:04] And there again, different chants,

[13:06] different dedications.

[13:08] And there were two sets of dedications.

[13:09] So, in our main chanting of the lineage

[13:13] of ancestors, which happens in the next

[13:15] ceremony, we stop at Suzuki Roshi. You

[13:17] know, he was the founder of these

[13:18] temples.

[13:20] And then in this ceremony, I go the next

[13:22] four generations, Hoitsu Suzuki, Suzuki

[13:25] Roshi's son.

[13:27] Sojun Mel Weitsman, the founder of

[13:28] Berkeley Zen Center,

[13:30] is my Dharma great-grandfather.

[13:33] Roshi Enkyo O'Hara, right here, Paul

[13:35] Haller, my ordination teacher.

[13:38] Anshin Daigy Zachary Smith, who I don't

[13:40] think he's here because he's not been

[13:41] well. He's my

[13:42] Dharma transmission teacher, my Honshi.

[13:46] And then there's also a place to

[13:47] acknowledge

[13:49] other teachers, not just the direct

[13:51] lineage, but other teachers who have

[13:52] been important in your practice.

[13:55] In my case, I chose another four.

[13:58] Sesshin An Galen Godwin, the abbot now

[14:00] of Houston Zen Center, who

[14:04] uh gave me lay ordination in this room

[14:06] 22 years ago.

[14:08] Um

[14:10] and gave me the name Shindo.

[14:12] And

[14:14] Zenkai Blanche Hartman,

[14:16] who was the abbess in this temple when I

[14:18] first arrived in 2000.

[14:20] And who influenced me enormously, not

[14:22] just in what she said from the teaching

[14:24] seat,

[14:25] but how she lived in this building.

[14:28] How she conducted herself. How she

[14:30] manifested the practice in every

[14:33] activity. And her husband Lou as well.

[14:36] And the way he would take care of

[14:37] everything.

[14:38] The way he would fold the newspapers in

[14:40] the morning.

[14:42] Also, Myogen Steve Stucky,

[14:45] former abbot of this temple, the Zen

[14:48] Center, who died 13 years ago.

[14:51] And I was the shuso, the head monk, with

[14:53] him in Tassajara. And again, he taught

[14:55] me a lot about practicing in his way.

[14:59] Learning how he manifested the practice.

[15:05] And also, Ajahn Linda Cutts, senior

[15:07] Dharma teacher, or abbess at Green Gulch

[15:10] Zen Center abbess.

[15:11] I did three training periods with her at

[15:13] Tassajara, and she was a big influence,

[15:16] and I went to her many times for advice.

[15:22] And then the third of the morning

[15:24] ceremonies after the jindo going around

[15:26] the temple of this personal service is

[15:28] called the busserai and bowing to all

[15:30] the Buddhas and that starts with the

[15:32] quote that I just read.

[15:34] And then you do a prostration and an

[15:36] offering to every single Buddha

[15:39] male ancestor

[15:41] and female ancestor in our lineage.

[15:43] And the male ancestor is supposedly a

[15:45] continuous unbroken lineage.

[15:47] We think that historically this might

[15:49] not be exactly true but we trust that

[15:52] this awakening that the Buddha expressed

[15:55] and spread

[15:57] has come through

[15:59] and it's now coming through

[16:01] in this body

[16:03] amazingly enough.

[16:04] And also the women ancestors and as we

[16:06] said at the end

[16:08] to all women teachers, the great women

[16:10] teachers known and unknown remembered

[16:12] through these names. Because we know

[16:14] there were many important women teachers

[16:16] but they did not necessarily get a look

[16:18] in in history.

[16:20] And we prostrate to them anyway.

[16:24] And so every day you say each name and

[16:25] some of these names are familiar. You

[16:27] know, some of them are the maybe some

[16:29] great ancestors. You know, the people

[16:31] you know the stories about.

[16:33] And some of them are maybe the less well

[16:35] known.

[16:37] But each one of them equally important

[16:39] in transmitting this practice to us

[16:41] right now.

[16:44] And so first of all I was bowing every

[16:45] day to them and then in the last week of

[16:47] the three weeks of ceremonies you do a

[16:49] whole series of calligraphy where you're

[16:51] writing out this lineage in different

[16:53] ways.

[16:54] And so not only was I saying the name

[16:56] but I was seeing the name and then the

[16:58] next day when I was bowing I was seeing

[16:59] the name that I had written.

[17:02] And feeling drawn into this web of

[17:04] practice.

[17:07] Drawn into this web of awakening in this

[17:10] body.

[17:14] And as I said there are ancestors whose

[17:15] stories we know.

[17:17] And in my time there are ancestors whose

[17:19] stories we know and remember.

[17:25] And it's strange sometimes which stories

[17:27] we remember. So,

[17:29] when I first started practicing here,

[17:32] I remember one of the teachers, and I

[17:34] think she must have just gone through

[17:36] this Dharma transmission process

[17:37] herself.

[17:39] We're sitting up on this seat and she

[17:41] was saying, her teacher asked her, you

[17:43] know, "What's your relation to the

[17:44] Buddhist ancestors?"

[17:46] And she said something like, "Well, I

[17:48] don't really think about them that

[17:49] much."

[17:50] And I remember just being struck by that

[17:52] reply.

[17:53] Um because obviously in the Dharma

[17:55] transmission process you have to think

[17:56] about them. You know, you're encouraged

[17:58] to think about them. You take your place

[18:00] among them.

[18:01] And so these stories, you know,

[18:03] resonate.

[18:06] I'm not quite sure if that teacher is

[18:07] still alive or not, but I doubt that she

[18:10] would imagine 25 years later that

[18:12] somebody would be telling that story on

[18:13] the Dharma seat.

[18:16] And so if you end up sitting here

[18:20] anytime in the future,

[18:22] for those of you who are not yet

[18:23] empowered to do so, what would stories

[18:25] will you tell? Who will you be invoking?

[18:28] You know, the person I came to met came

[18:30] to meet here 27 years ago could not have

[18:33] imagined,

[18:35] nor could I have imagined that I'd be

[18:36] sitting up here one day.

[18:38] So, we never know.

[18:44] [clears throat]

[18:45] And because I knew I was going to give a

[18:47] talk, you know, when this process was

[18:48] finished,

[18:50] I was writing down notes

[18:52] while I was here

[18:54] and thinking about what I might say.

[18:57] And one of the first things I wrote was,

[18:58] "I feel like a fraud."

[19:02] And there are different ways for

[19:04] understanding that.

[19:05] Imposter, you know, I'm quite used to

[19:07] imposter syndrome. Right before I was

[19:09] giving a class, the last class I gave at

[19:12] San Francisco Zen Center, I remember

[19:13] thinking, "Who am I to teach all this

[19:14] stuff? I don't know anything about it."

[19:19] And I know that there are some people

[19:20] who have found, you know, my practice

[19:22] over the years because

[19:25] many years ago when I was a new priest,

[19:26] my behavior was not at the standard

[19:28] expected of priests.

[19:30] And I caused harm to people.

[19:33] And there are people who I think still

[19:34] hold the opinions that maybe I don't

[19:36] deserve to be sitting on here in a robe

[19:39] like this.

[19:40] And if you don't know, you know, what

[19:41] this brown robe signifies, you just see

[19:43] somebody sitting on the Dharma seat and

[19:44] think, "This person knows something,

[19:46] surely."

[19:48] And if you do know what the brown robe

[19:49] means, you're going to think, "This

[19:50] person must know something, surely."

[19:55] But then that feeling like a fraud is

[19:57] just a part of my limited, you know,

[19:59] imperfect understanding of who I am.

[20:03] And maybe some of these ancestors, maybe

[20:05] all of these ancestors that we invoke,

[20:08] felt like that at some point.

[20:16] We all have these limited ideas about

[20:18] ourselves which are not the truth.

[20:28] And another reason I kind of expressed

[20:30] that in my notes was the the amount of

[20:33] resistance I felt doing doing this

[20:34] process was quite extraordinary, really.

[20:37] Not just the getting up in the morning

[20:39] and being away from my lovely wife and

[20:41] lovely dog and my normal life for a few

[20:44] weeks.

[20:46] Um but the

[20:47] strenuous practice, you know, what I was

[20:49] doing, I think I counted, you know, more

[20:51] than 200 prostrations every morning. Uh

[20:54] and I certainly wasn't used to that.

[20:56] And I'm relatively fit and active, but I

[20:59] know it's, you know, it's hard.

[21:01] I was talking with a Dharma sister who

[21:03] has not been able to sit cross-legged on

[21:05] a cushion since you went through that

[21:07] process.

[21:11] And I was speaking with another elder at

[21:13] Zen Center who said, "Yeah,

[21:15] when I was doing Dharma transmission, my

[21:17] teacher said, 'All these rites of

[21:19] passage have an element of ordeal in

[21:21] them.

[21:22] And we have to get through the ordeal.'"

[21:26] And so this resistance to, you know,

[21:28] just doing what what was asked of me

[21:31] is very interesting. And I know that

[21:33] resistance.

[21:35] You know, when I lived here

[21:36] and I'm getting up every morning,

[21:38] sitting zazen.

[21:39] When I lived at Tassajara, getting up

[21:41] every morning, even earlier, and sitting

[21:43] even more zazen.

[21:45] And then doing sesshins, these retreats,

[21:47] these multi-day retreats, sitting even

[21:49] more zazen.

[21:50] And I had a lot of resistance to that.

[21:53] Quite often.

[21:55] But I stuck it out.

[21:58] Um you know, there are different reasons

[22:00] why I stuck it out.

[22:01] One is that I'd signed up to do it, and

[22:03] nobody was forcing me to stay.

[22:07] And you know, Zen is a very, in a sense,

[22:09] impersonal container for this. It's just

[22:11] like, "Here is the practice."

[22:13] It's There's nothing like, "We're making

[22:15] you do this." Like, "Here's the

[22:17] practice. You can do it if you want. You

[22:19] don't have to, but you can do it if you

[22:20] want."

[22:22] But there's something else that happens

[22:24] when you meet that resistance, when you

[22:26] meet that difficulty, when you meet that

[22:28] ordeal,

[22:29] and keep going. You know, I think the

[22:31] essence of practice is to keep going.

[22:34] Um because

[22:36] you know, I I wrote down two things

[22:37] here. The radiant light that follows.

[22:40] You know, when if you've done a

[22:41] multi-day retreat,

[22:43] or maybe uh in a in any other

[22:44] circumstance, you do something hard, and

[22:46] then when it stops, you suddenly wow,

[22:49] life is amazing.

[22:51] Uh and zazen is a really great way to do

[22:53] that.

[22:54] Is to be in silence, to be still and

[22:56] silent. And even if it's physically

[22:58] uncomfortable, even if it's emotionally

[23:01] uncomfortable,

[23:03] or you know, psychically uncomfortable.

[23:05] You keep going and then at a certain

[23:07] point like, "Wow, okay, that that stuff

[23:09] melted away. And what is left is this

[23:11] bright radiant sunshine."

[23:15] And there's also, you know, kind of a

[23:16] resilience that again, maybe we don't

[23:18] think we're capable of.

[23:20] You know, you think, "Oh, I can't get

[23:21] through this."

[23:23] You know, the

[23:24] situations in all of our lives where we

[23:26] have to confront this.

[23:28] When we're dealing with loss,

[23:30] we're dealing with grief.

[23:32] We think, "I can't get through this."

[23:34] And somehow we do.

[23:36] And we did it in 2020.

[23:39] When we were faced with this, you know,

[23:42] unheard of pandemic. You know, the worst

[23:45] in 100 years. Like, how are we going to

[23:46] get through this? And we did.

[23:50] So, we can always do more than we think

[23:52] we're capable of.

[23:55] And can we be generous with our own

[23:58] capacity?

[24:05] So, I'm not saying that I'm not a fraud.

[24:09] But I'm not going to be fooled or

[24:10] limited by that thought that maybe I am

[24:12] a fraud.

[24:16] Cuz another thing I wrote is that Dharma

[24:17] transmission is not a cure for foibles.

[24:23] That every teacher

[24:25] is human

[24:27] and is manifesting the practice in their

[24:29] human way.

[24:31] Hopefully offering us glimpses of what

[24:34] it means to be a Buddha and an ancestor.

[24:36] What it means to manifest and actualize

[24:38] this practice.

[24:53] And these days, you know, I don't live

[24:55] at the temple

[24:56] anymore.

[24:57] Um and a lot of my practice is outside.

[25:00] As it was before I came to Zen, I was

[25:03] a cross-country runner and a

[25:04] long-distance cyclist. And so, that kind

[25:06] of sense of pushing myself came in those

[25:08] fields.

[25:12] And now, often I sit outside.

[25:14] And just being present in, you know,

[25:17] more challenging circumstances than when

[25:19] you're sitting in a quiet zendo.

[25:26] But day-to-day practice is not really

[25:28] different.

[25:30] You know, whether you're working in the

[25:31] kitchen. I remember when I first lived

[25:34] here, I worked in the kitchen every day.

[25:37] And I didn't necessarily want to chop

[25:39] carrots and onions for hours on end. You

[25:41] know, there's a resistance that comes in

[25:42] that.

[25:43] But then, you learn this is also the

[25:45] practice.

[25:46] This is no less a practice than sitting

[25:47] in the zendo.

[25:52] And if you ask me to summarize how I

[25:55] think of practice, I think of it as

[25:57] constantly noticing whether we're

[26:00] opening or closing to a situation.

[26:05] As we start to feel that at a certain

[26:07] point. And then, I

[26:09] Dan and I uh alternate between leading

[26:12] the Thursday evening online zazen group.

[26:15] Zazen discussion. And I was talking

[26:17] about how

[26:18] I have to kind of rush from work to get

[26:20] home in time to lead the 5:30. And how,

[26:23] you know, when uh

[26:25] my boss may be listening, Charlie.

[26:27] You know, he's wanting to talk to me.

[26:29] I'm going to open to talking. And then,

[26:30] at a certain point, I can feel like I've

[26:32] got to leave now. I've got to leave if I

[26:33] want to get back on time. And just

[26:35] feeling that kind of tightness that

[26:36] comes.

[26:38] You know, just in a very, very minor

[26:39] situation.

[26:41] But we can feel that at any moment.

[26:44] And you know, zazen is a great practice

[26:46] for starting to notice that. When we

[26:49] give our wholehearted attention to the

[26:51] present moment, which is what we're

[26:53] always invited to do in zazen. We start

[26:56] to be able to do that in the moments

[26:57] when more is happening. Oh, yeah, I'm

[27:00] starting to feel a little tight around

[27:01] that. Oh, yeah, there's that closing

[27:04] off.

[27:06] And we can do it with

[27:08] any situation,

[27:10] any person we encounter.

[27:12] Do I feel open to them? Am I closing up?

[27:14] Why am I closing up right now?

[27:17] This is one of my early

[27:19] experience of this was at Sarnath

[27:20] Sarnath with somebody I noticed I was

[27:22] avoiding because I didn't want to

[27:23] interact with them. It's like, why am I

[27:25] doing that? What's what's going on here?

[27:28] And so, when I opened up in that

[27:31] situation, I ended up having

[27:32] conversation with him. And I don't

[27:33] necessarily like them anymore

[27:35] afterwards, but at least there's the

[27:36] opportunity for meeting in that moment.

[27:39] And that's what this practice is all

[27:41] about, because if we close up,

[27:43] if we start thinking, "Nah, I don't want

[27:44] to do this." I always talk about it as

[27:46] putting blinkers on. We're putting our

[27:48] own blinkers on.

[27:49] I'm wrapped up in my own story here. I

[27:51] don't want to deal with anybody else.

[27:53] But we know

[27:55] that because we know it from experience

[27:57] that when we do open up

[27:59] and go beyond ourselves a little bit, go

[28:01] beyond our own story, go beyond our

[28:04] feeling like, "Oh, I'm capable of this.

[28:05] I'm not capable of that." Something else

[28:07] happens.

[28:09] You know, this idea that when when we

[28:11] connect with other people,

[28:13] we really do make a difference in the

[28:16] world.

[28:19] And we're opening to the limitless

[28:22] generosity of the world.

[28:30] So, there's another quote I wanted to

[28:32] share, which again

[28:33] also came from a Dogen piece of writing,

[28:35] but he's quoting an earlier story.

[28:38] And this is that Yaoshan

[28:40] and again, if you want to place Yaoshan

[28:41] in this list of ancestors, he's right

[28:43] after the sixth patriarch in China. And

[28:46] the sixth patriarch is sixth after

[28:48] Bodhidharma.

[28:53] So, Yaoshan asked novice Gao, "Did you

[28:56] get it by reading a sutra or from

[28:58] personal guidance?"

[29:02] Gao said, "I didn't get it by reading a

[29:04] sutra or from personal guidance."

[29:09] Yaoshan said, "There are many who don't

[29:11] read a sutra or receive personal

[29:13] guidance. How come they don't get it?"

[29:16] And Gao said, "I can't say they don't

[29:17] get it.

[29:19] Perhaps they don't want to hit the

[29:20] mark."

[29:23] And there's another translation of that

[29:24] last answer, "I do not say they're

[29:26] without it.

[29:28] It's just that they do not dare to

[29:29] experience it directly."

[29:35] So, there's a lot to unpack here.

[29:37] So, Yaoshan perhaps

[29:41] recognizes Gao's awakening.

[29:44] And how did you get this awakening?

[29:46] Did you get awakened by reading a sutra

[29:48] or by being helped by a teacher?

[29:52] And Gao said, "No, I didn't get it by

[29:54] reading a sutra or from personal

[29:56] guidance."

[29:57] And his answer points to the fact that

[29:59] what we're talking about here is not

[30:01] something you get from outside.

[30:07] Even though we're talking about

[30:08] transmission, like you think about the

[30:09] word transmission, it's going from one

[30:11] thing to another thing, from the teacher

[30:12] to the disciple.

[30:14] That's one

[30:16] level. Another level, nothing is

[30:17] transmitted.

[30:19] The teacher is trusting that you are

[30:21] awakened to this yourself.

[30:28] So, if you don't get it from reading a

[30:29] sutra or from personal guidance, people

[30:31] have never read a sutra or talked to a

[30:32] teacher,

[30:33] why don't they get it?

[30:37] And this points to that everyone has

[30:38] this potential for awakening, every

[30:40] single person

[30:41] has this potential. And again, we might

[30:43] look at some people think, "Mhm, not

[30:44] them. Mhm."

[30:48] I'm reminded of uh

[30:50] wonderful person. I think it's uh

[30:51] Tassajara County. He wrote a song

[30:54] and said, "May all beings be happy

[30:55] except you."

[31:00] And that's an impulse we have. Like,

[31:02] "Oh, no, no, not those people."

[31:04] Not those people. But everyone has this

[31:06] possibility. Now, where do we get it

[31:07] from? We don't get it from

[31:10] anywhere else.

[31:15] And so, I can't say they don't get it.

[31:16] Perhaps they don't want to hit the mark.

[31:18] So, for me, this is about or experience

[31:21] it directly. It's like being willing to

[31:23] go inside and look at that stuff.

[31:28] Being willing to say, "Why do I feel

[31:29] like a fraud?

[31:31] Why do some people think I don't deserve

[31:33] to be sitting in this seat in a brown

[31:35] robe? What's going on?"

[31:37] And being willing to investigate that

[31:40] non-judgmentally, which again is

[31:41] something that zazen encourages for us.

[31:58] It's not that they don't get it. Perhaps

[31:59] they don't want to hit the mark. Do we

[32:01] want to hit the mark? What is the mark

[32:03] that we hit? What is it anyway?

[32:08] I think it's this belief in

[32:10] our own natural awakening and the

[32:12] natural awakening of the whole world

[32:14] around us, which again, we don't

[32:15] necessarily want to open up to.

[32:19] And you know, and I often think of

[32:22] the practice period I spent at Tassajara

[32:23] with Steve Stuckey when I was the head

[32:25] monk, as being a little turning point in

[32:27] my practice because I was less focused

[32:29] on being in the zendo and more focused

[32:31] on looking at the trees.

[32:33] And who can say what it is about the

[32:34] trees at Tassajara, but for me, that was

[32:37] understanding, you know, in a different

[32:39] way how they're expressing their

[32:40] awakening moment by moment. And this is

[32:42] something Dogen often talks about.

[32:44] You know, and other teachers talk about

[32:46] the insentient beings are always

[32:47] expressing the Dharma.

[32:50] And maybe we can hear it, maybe we can't

[32:51] hear it, maybe we understand it, maybe

[32:53] we don't understand it, but we can

[32:55] join in.

[32:56] We can join in with this expression of

[32:58] awakening that is always happening

[33:00] in the perfect generosity of the world.

[33:17] And so the Dharma transmission ceremony,

[33:19] you know, it's a expression of trust

[33:22] from your teacher that you

[33:25] if you don't have access to this that

[33:26] you can at least working on it. You're

[33:28] able to express it, able to say

[33:30] something about it, able to realize and

[33:32] manifest it.

[33:33] Actualize it.

[33:38] And then doing so we are connected

[33:41] with all Buddhas throughout space and

[33:42] time.

[33:47] And this connecting openly with others

[33:50] as we do in this practice place, as we

[33:52] do in the Sangha.

[33:56] Amazing things happen and we just don't

[33:58] know which of these things will be of

[34:00] greatest benefit to people 25 years down

[34:02] the line.

[34:08] And Dan was sitting here on the seat 3

[34:10] weeks ago and he quoted another line

[34:11] from Dogen that in fact listen to Dan's

[34:14] talk from 3 weeks ago because he's

[34:15] talking about all this stuff in a in a

[34:17] wonderfully slightly different way. But

[34:19] he quoted this line from Dogen like

[34:20] Buddhas and ancestors of old were as we,

[34:23] we in the future shall be Buddhas and

[34:25] ancestors. And again, we might not

[34:28] believe this of ourselves. We might not

[34:29] believe this of the other Buddhas and

[34:31] ancestors. Did they think they were

[34:32] frauds?

[34:34] Do we think that in 6 or 700 years

[34:36] people will be invoking some of the

[34:38] stories that we tell from this Dharma

[34:40] seat?

[34:43] We don't know. We don't know what will

[34:46] get transmitted and what will be

[34:48] amplified.

[34:50] But when we do this particular process,

[34:54] but all of us as we practice, we're

[34:55] vowing not to let it be cut off.

[34:59] This practice that Suzuki Roshi brought

[35:02] to us

[35:04] with incredible generosity,

[35:06] brought to us and established this

[35:08] sangha 60 years ago, 60 70 years ago.

[35:12] We're vowing for it not to be cut off.

[35:16] And Zen in the West is still pretty new.

[35:19] It may take different forms.

[35:21] There may be fewer people sitting in

[35:23] these

[35:24] hot robes giving talks like this, but

[35:27] the practice will still be there.

[35:29] However it is that it manifests, it will

[35:31] be there. So, can we do our part?

[35:42] And the Zen way is always talking about

[35:44] face-to-face transmission. You know, I'm

[35:47] looking at all of your faces, you're

[35:48] looking at my face. Something is

[35:49] transmitted. We don't know what it is.

[35:52] But I look at many of these beautiful

[35:54] faces of people I've known for many,

[35:56] many years and something beautiful

[35:57] happens.

[36:00] We're accessing

[36:02] the awakening of the Buddhas throughout

[36:04] space and time.

[36:06] From Vibhassi Buddha

[36:09] to everybody here and back again.

[36:13] This is what the trust is.

[36:26] May our life reveal their compassion.

[36:29] Let us honor their true being.

[36:37] We might have room for a question if

[36:40] anyone

[36:42] One question. Thank you, Tim. Who wants

[36:44] to be the

[36:45] lucky person to ask that question or the

[36:47] unlucky person?

[37:00] And thank you.

[37:07] >> How have you changed in the last 27

[37:10] years?

[37:15] >> Uh probably in more ways than I can

[37:18] imagine.

[37:19] You know, these these hairs will be gray

[37:20] for one thing. Um

[37:23] but it is to do with that opening.

[37:26] Um

[37:27] and for me, you know, in my life and

[37:29] upbringing

[37:30] the closing often looked like judgment.

[37:34] You know, I was used to being on the

[37:36] receiving end of judgment, most of which

[37:38] was not kind judgment but harsh

[37:40] judgment. Um and so that was, you know,

[37:43] I would replay that back into the world.

[37:46] And you know, when I came here I

[37:48] noticed, you know, the difference

[37:50] between

[37:51] you know, a lot of the

[37:53] ways of speaking, ways of relating that

[37:55] I grew up with in England don't really

[37:57] translate to Zen Center. So if I was

[37:59] trying to be sarcastic or, you know,

[38:01] kind of uh snappy with people living

[38:04] here, it didn't work.

[38:06] That was a very quick lesson. That was

[38:07] one of my first lesson like, "Don't

[38:09] speak like you used to speaking. Like it

[38:11] doesn't land very well." Um and so that

[38:14] was a little part of the opening up.

[38:16] Um but really is is it's noticing how

[38:19] much I would close just out of

[38:21] self-protectiveness, fear,

[38:23] uh feeling of feeling like I was a

[38:25] fraud, whatever.

[38:27] Um

[38:27] and

[38:29] getting over that to a certain extent.

[38:32] Not always, but you know, to a certain

[38:33] extent being able to get over that.

[38:35] Thank you.

[38:37] I'm very easy to find online. You can

[38:40] reach out and ask me questions if if you

[38:42] like.

[38:44] Thank you.

[38:47] May

[38:48] >> our intention

[38:50] equally

[38:51] extend

[38:53] to every

[38:55] being and

[38:56] place

[38:57] with

[38:59] the true

[39:03] merit

[39:04] of the Buddha's way.

[39:06] Beings

[39:08] are numberless.

[39:10] I vow

[39:10] I

[39:12] vow

[39:13] to save them.

[39:15] Delusions are

[39:18] inexhaustible.

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In this talk, Shundo David Haye described dharma transmission as a formal process he had just completed, after which it is traditional for the newly transmitted person to give a talk. He did not elaborate on every detail of the ceremony, so the talk is best understood as a reflection on gratitude and lineage that follows that milestone.
Shundo David Haye identified the Shobogenzo, which he translated as the Treasury of the True Dharma Eye, as the major work of Dogen, the Japanese founder of his lineage, written in the first half of the 1200s. He explained that a passage from one of its chapters is recited daily in a temple ceremony that lists the ancestors.
In the Dogen passage Shundo David Haye read, actualizing means to bring the ancestors forth, look at them respectfully, and embody their virtue in the body. The talk treats it as more than reverence: the ancestors become present through how we act and practice.
Shundo David Haye described the perfection of generosity as an open hand of giving that the practice invites us to grow into, even when we feel we cannot yet manage it. He framed it as a direction rather than a grade, suggesting that our receiving and passing on of what others offer is how it becomes visible.
In this talk, the daily ceremony begins and ends with the Dogen passage and includes a list of ancestors, and Shundo David Haye also described monthly memorials and offerings to other teachers. These rituals give the community a regular, shared way to remember that it belongs to a lineage larger than any individual.
Shundo David Haye pointed listeners to the Zen Center's talk archive, where teachers' talks are available, and to the practice calendar and newsletter on the San Francisco Zen Center website. These are good starting points for hearing how others describe transmission and daily practice.

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