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Debunking Nonduality: Nine Myths That Block Awakening

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Gary Weber
Apr 30, 2016
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De Gary Weber

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When Gary Weber was walking toward campus one afternoon in graduate school, something shifted. He stepped back from the noise of his own mind and saw what was actually happening: blah, blah, blah—thoughts about nothing in particular, worthless thoughts that had nothing to do with his doctoral thesis. He had built a life that looked fine on paper. Good assistantship, wife, two kids, solid health. Yet he was drowning in narrative suffering. And so he asked the question that would reshape his entire understanding of awakening: is there a way to stop this?

What followed was not a retreat into Eastern philosophy or a surrender to faith. Weber approached his own suffering as an empiricist—the same rigor he'd brought to physics, applied inward. He would become a scientist of his own mind, running experiments on the nature of thought, emotion, and the self. Over decades, through Zen practice, neuroscience research, and meticulous self-observation, he discovered that lasting awakening was possible—and that nearly everything popular culture believed about it was wrong.

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The Myth of the Peak Experience

One of the most stubborn misconceptions about nonduality is that a single mystical experience proves you've awakened. Weber pushes back hard on this idea. Many people can point to a vivid spiritual moment from years or decades ago—a glimpse of boundlessness, a dissolution of self, a moment of pure presence—and declare themselves realized. But neuroscience has shown us something uncomfortable about memory. When you recall an experience repeatedly, you're not retrieving it unchanged; you're reconstructing it, and with each reconstruction, it drifts further from what actually happened. A memory two years old that you've called up four, five, six times is no longer accurate. "Having a good memory of an experience 26 years ago and still remembering it vividly doesn't make you nondual," Weber says. What matters is not the experience itself, but whether the shift is *permanent*—a lasting state, not a visitor that leaves.

Do You Actually Need Practice?

Another popular myth is that nonduality requires no practice—that awakening is either given or it isn't, a matter of grace or accident. This contradicts everything we know about how the brain works. Malcolm Gladwell famously discussed the "10,000 hours" concept, and neuroscientist Anders Ericsson's research backs it up: expertise in any domain—chess, music, athletics—requires not just time but *deliberate practice*. The brain literally rewires itself based on what you practice. Meditation and contemplative inquiry work the same way. Weber spent thousands of hours asking himself questions like "Where am I?" and "I am not this body"—not as philosophical exercises, but as genuine investigations. The Zen masters he worked with didn't hand him enlightenment; they gave him permission to run his own experiments. Without that practice, the neural pathways that support nondual awareness simply don't develop.

The Neuroscience of Selflessness

One of the more surprising myths is that nonduality is a psychotic state—that dissolving the sense of self is psychosis by another name. The science tells a different story. Neuroscientist Andrew Newberg and others have mapped what happens in the brain during deep meditation. What they've found is that different networks light up or quiet down depending on the quality of consciousness. A psychotic person experiences disorganization, loss of functional capacity, often delusion. A truly nondual consciousness is *radically organized*—the person can function, think clearly, navigate complexity, and often becomes *more* compassionate and capable, not less. Weber notes that after shifting into a nondual state, he continued working in corporate industry, managing complex projects, maintaining relationships. The difference is that he no longer carried the weight of believing he had to personally control everything. "Life does itself just perfectly," he observes. "That's been my experience for 17 years now."

Why Compassion Doesn't Disappear When the "I" Does

A common fear among spiritual seekers is that if there's no "I," there will be no motivation to be compassionate or ethical. If nobody's home, why would anyone care about suffering? This misunderstands what happens when the narrative self dissolves. The bodily senses, emotional responsiveness, and capacity for empathy remain intact—in fact, they often become clearer without the interference of self-referential thought. When you're not constantly narrating your own story, you're more available to perceive others. The mechanisms of compassion don't depend on ego; if anything, they're freed up when the ego's agenda gets quiet.

Religious Packaging vs. Secular Practice

Weber came from "a blaming, shaming religion" and wanted out entirely. So he did something radical: he stripped nonduality down to its functional essence, with no religious language, no cosmology, no belief system attached. He sought only contemporary sources—people he could meet, observe, validate. No teachings from 2,500 years ago passed down through "God knows how many hands of people with vested interest in making it come out some way." This isn't a rejection of tradition; it's empirical honesty. A secular, scientifically grounded path to nonduality is entirely possible. You don't need Buddhism, Advaita Vedanta, or any religious wrapper. You need clear practices, accurate information about what's actually happening in the brain, and commitment to seeing whether it works or not.

The Psychedelic Misconception

One of the most dangerous myths is that psychedelics can produce lasting nonduality. Psychedelics can certainly open the door to profound experiences of interconnectedness, dissolution of boundaries, or radically altered perception. But an experience is not a state. The research is clear: psychedelics produce transient changes in brain function. When the drug wears off, the old patterns reassert themselves. The classic networks of self-referential thought come back online. You can't psychedelic your way into a permanent shift any more than you can meditate once and expect lasting change. The brain needs time and repeated practice to wire in new patterns. Psychedelics might show you what's possible; they won't rewire your nervous system on their own.

The Research Problem: Not All Studies Are Created Equal

Weber points out a critical flaw in how nonduality research gets discussed: not all research is reliable. Some studies are poorly designed, use biased subject pools, or measure the wrong things. When you see "meditation improves wellbeing" in a headline, it matters deeply how that study was run. Were the subjects already meditators? Did they know they were expected to improve? Was there a control group? Were the researchers blinded? Many widely cited studies on meditation and nonduality have serious methodological problems. Weber's approach has always been: show me the clean data. That skepticism is not a barrier to spirituality; it's essential to it.

The "No Thoughts" Misunderstanding

A pervasive goal in certain nondual teachings is "no thoughts"—a silence and stillness of mind so complete that cognition seems to stop. But this isn't actually the target. Thoughts can still arise; the difference is that you're no longer *identified* with them, no longer narrating your life through them. The self-referential chatter quiets dramatically, but the mind remains alert, capable, and responsive. Practical thinking—how to navigate your day, solve a problem, communicate with someone—continues. What stops is the anxious, repetitive, emotionally charged loop of thoughts about yourself. That distinction matters because it explains how nondual people can still function brilliantly in the world. There's no cognitive shutdown; there's a reorganization of what gets the brain's attention.

The Myth of Levels and Endpoints

Some nonduality teachings suggest there are levels to awaken through—first you see this, then you see that, finally you reach the ultimate truth and you're done. This framework can be comforting because it offers a roadmap. But Weber's experience, backed by neuroscience, suggests something messier and deeper. The brain continues to evolve. New capacities can emerge. The relationship to experience can refine further. Rather than viewing nonduality as a fixed destination you reach and remain at, it's more accurate to see it as a fundamental shift in operating system from which further development is still possible.

Where to go from here

If you're drawn to nonduality—whether through meditation, inquiry, or simple curiosity about who you actually are—the practical steps are surprisingly straightforward. Find teachings grounded in contemporary science and direct transmission from teachers who've walked the path. Don't rely on secondhand accounts or cherry-picked quotes. Understand that lasting change requires practice—real, committed, sometimes difficult practice. Be skeptical of promises of instant awakening or shortcuts. And test everything in your own experience. The only authority that matters is your own honest observation of whether something works or not. The myths around nonduality persist because awakening is profound and rare—there's a natural hunger to demystify it or commodify it or shortcut it. But the path that actually works is the one that refuses all three, the one that says: I'll do the work, I'll watch carefully, I'll believe only what I can verify. That's the path of the empiricist. It's also the path home.

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[0:15] um was to try to see if I could find

[0:17] some way myself to DIY a um

[0:23] a way out of my suffering.

[0:25] I was in graduate school walking down I

[0:28] work my PhD walking down towards campus

[0:30] and I had the epiphous moment of

[0:33] stepping back and looking at what was

[0:34] going on up here. It turns out it was

[0:37] just blah blah blah blah blah which is

[0:39] why you know it was about nothing in

[0:41] particular worthless had nothing to do

[0:43] with my doctoral thesis nothing

[0:44] whatsoever but for whatever reason I was

[0:47] moved to believe I had all these

[0:48] thoughts up there and there was no

[0:51] belief that that was okay. I had

[0:53] suffered a lot by the time I was in my

[0:54] late 20s and so I had a lot of narrative

[0:57] going on that was very painful and there

[1:00] was no reason it should have been. I had

[1:02] good money to get through graduate

[1:03] school, good assistantship, wife, two

[1:05] kids, everything was fine, very healthy.

[1:07] But I had this problem. And so I

[1:09] thought, is there some way I can stop

[1:11] this? I had no reason to believe this

[1:13] was possible. I had not read anything

[1:15] that was possible, but I knew somehow I

[1:18] had to stop this thing. So I set about

[1:21] trying to find a way to stop this

[1:22] narrative. It turns out as I got on this

[1:26] path, uh I was going to do it DIY. One,

[1:30] I was going to do it empirically,

[1:32] scientifically with no philosophy, no

[1:35] religion, absolutely naked. I was being

[1:37] trained as an empirical phys, empirical

[1:39] scientist. But the idea was, can I just

[1:41] run the experiments myself? Give me the

[1:43] lab notebook. I'll run the experiments

[1:46] and I'll see if it works or not. And

[1:48] I'll say yes or no for the experiment.

[1:50] That's all I'm going to do. Sources have

[1:52] to be contemporary. We're trying to do

[1:54] this thing scientifically, empirically.

[1:57] contemporary sources. I didn't want

[1:59] anything from 2,500 years ago, 2,000

[2:02] years ago, a thousand years ago been

[2:03] passed down through God knows how many

[2:04] hands of people with vested interest in

[2:07] making it come out some way. The idea

[2:09] was it's got to be those parameters,

[2:12] very scientific contemporary sources

[2:14] that I could validate that I had videos

[2:17] of, people had I talked to could had met

[2:19] them. I had met them myself. So it had

[2:21] to be absolutely a clean data set

[2:24] and clean sources.

[2:33] And so this idea of relying on religious

[2:35] traditions, philosophy, I was not a

[2:37] philosopher. I was an empiricist. So no

[2:40] philosophy, no religion. I came from a

[2:43] blaming, shaming religion. I'd had

[2:45] enough of that. Thank you very much. So

[2:47] I was trying to find some way out of

[2:48] this thing.

[2:52] And these are what I just talked about

[2:56] the reasons we had to do this thing. And

[2:58] I was focusing on this these thoughts

[3:00] that I had and could I reduce them

[3:03] empirical open source secular teachings.

[3:07] And the hardest part of it was it was

[3:10] going to have to function in the real

[3:11] world. I couldn't become completely

[3:14] dysfunctional. This had to be an

[3:15] operative system that I could live with.

[3:17] And the most important distinction was

[3:19] in addition to these different different

[3:22] difficult caveats was it had to be a

[3:24] state not just an experience. I mean a

[3:27] lot of non-duality people say well I had

[3:29] an experience 26 years ago and I can

[3:32] still remember fantastically vivid vivid

[3:35] I'm a non-dualist.

[3:36] I say well not so much because we have a

[3:40] lot of research now on memories. I was

[3:43] in a false memory fMR study. I mean, you

[3:46] may you have something's two years old

[3:49] and you've called it up four, five, six,

[3:51] eight times. It's not it's not correct

[3:54] anymore. Your memory is absolutely

[3:56] incorrect.

[3:58] So, had to be a lasting state. Mini me

[4:00] is down here because it really came to

[4:02] be a process of trying to find a mini

[4:04] me, a less me involved operating system.

[4:13] This narrative thing that I found

[4:15] unpleasant wasn't unique to me. There's

[4:18] a great study in science that was done

[4:20] at UVA by some really good people, some

[4:22] of the best people in the field. And it

[4:24] was saying, "Okay, what if we can just

[4:25] take some UVA undergraduates and put 150

[4:28] of them in a room one at a time and give

[4:30] them say, okay, be by yourself for 15

[4:33] minutes. No toys, no distractions. You

[4:36] can just be there with your the pleasure

[4:38] of your thoughts." And how's that worked

[4:40] for you? They said, 'Oh, they not

[4:44] surprisingly. 90% came back and said, 'N

[4:47] no good. No good. Okay, well maybe it's

[4:49] because we got them in a laboratory. So

[4:51] they sent them back home. Go back home.

[4:52] Go back to your pod. They go back to

[4:54] their pod. Okay, even worse. First 15%

[4:57] of them cheated.

[4:59] The ones that didn't cheat said it's

[5:01] just as bad.

[5:03] Just undergraduates. You know how

[5:05] undergraduates are. So they went on into

[5:07] Charlottesville, rounded up a bunch of

[5:09] people from a church, farmers market,

[5:11] ran them through this thing, average age

[5:13] 42, much more affluent than some of the

[5:15] students. At least not not their parents

[5:17] perhaps. Uh same result, same bad

[5:21] result. Okay, this is not okay. Take 50

[5:24] of these people and ask them if they

[5:26] like electric shocks

[5:28] and you find them. One say, "No, I do

[5:30] not like electric shocks."

[5:33] Okay. Okay. Well, you're you're in the

[5:34] pool.

[5:36] So, you get in this thing. You're in the

[5:38] not like electric shocks pool. And we're

[5:40] going to give you a button in your hand,

[5:42] a control that goes to an anklet that

[5:45] has a shocking collar on it. And you're

[5:48] going to go back in that room again. You

[5:49] can sit there 15 minutes again, and

[5:51] we'll just see how it goes for you. If

[5:53] you need to be diverted your attention

[5:55] some way to pull your attention back

[5:56] away from what you're do going through,

[5:58] you just push this button. You get a

[6:00] strong electric shock to your ankle and

[6:03] it will bring you out of your

[6:04] unhappiness.

[6:13] So, as you might imagine from the

[6:14] picture, this didn't turn out well. Uh,

[6:18] twothirds of the guys, men chocked

[6:21] themselves. Only one quarter of the

[6:23] women. So, women really are smarter than

[6:25] men.

[6:28] But but the guy shocked themselves an

[6:31] average of 1.5 times and the girls 2.3

[6:34] times.

[6:36] But this is an unpleasant state for many

[6:38] people almost everybody. We have so many

[6:40] things we do to not have to face into

[6:42] this state

[6:44] and this will be about trying to explore

[6:46] ways to do that. So I went about some

[6:48] practices

[6:50] uh classical Zen practices and this

[6:54] fellow Bassoui 14th century Zen monk uh

[6:58] very famous in some sectors and this

[7:00] fellow you know hope we all know Nam

[7:02] Maharshi he was really my main man

[7:05] through this thing and his questions are

[7:08] very simple

[7:12] and for me as an empirical scientist

[7:14] this one didn't work for me so much got

[7:17] philosophical. The ones I liked were

[7:19] this one, where am I and who here's I

[7:23] went to my Zen masters and they were all

[7:24] Renzy Zen, which is the Kan school. I

[7:27] said, "Hey, one guy was a big Moo person

[7:29] if you know the go the Zen coons." I

[7:31] said, "Yeah, I I can't get into MOO. It

[7:33] may be a great thing for a Japanese

[7:36] mind, but doesn't paradoxically engage

[7:40] me." Something like where am I? That

[7:43] really gets I could really try to solve

[7:45] that. I'm a empirical scientist. I

[7:46] should know where I am. So I talked to

[7:49] the Roshi and he said, "Sure, you can do

[7:50] that." So I set off to do that. It was

[7:52] actually in our suture book anyway. So I

[7:54] went off to do that. My other Zen

[7:56] master, same thing. Asked her about it.

[7:58] She said, "Sure, perfect. Go ahead and

[8:00] do that thing." So I just did this. I

[8:02] just asked these questions over and over

[8:04] and over again. Along with things like

[8:07] I'm not this body. This belief that we

[8:10] have we are this body. I just ask them a

[8:13] lot of times. And after a lot of sitting

[8:16] meditation,

[8:18] they stopped.

[8:20] You know, I had to do a lot of hours of

[8:22] this thing, a lot of yoga. I didn't have

[8:23] any guidance really. The Zen people

[8:25] hadn't really worked this thing. I

[8:27] needed a coach. I didn't have a coach.

[8:29] So, I was in the dark a lot of the time.

[8:32] They stopped. The thoughts stopped. And

[8:35] the surprise with for me with that was

[8:36] not that just this blah blah blah

[8:38] stopped. It's very quiet up there like

[8:40] it is now. Just very quiet. But that the

[8:43] fears and emotions, self-reerential

[8:45] ones, also fell away. And something I

[8:48] hadn't expected with these two. I was

[8:51] certain I was very active in

[8:54] corporate industry. I was very certain

[8:57] that in fact I had control and I had

[8:59] absolute free will and all that happened

[9:02] successes and failures were mine, my

[9:04] responsibility, my failure, my

[9:05] successes. And when I fell away

[9:09] like that, snap It just fell away right

[9:12] along with everything else. So I'm

[9:15] standing there and I've got a thousand

[9:16] people working for me, four research

[9:19] labs in a quarter billion dollar budget

[9:21] and I've got to go to work

[9:23] and there's nothing up here.

[9:30] Great.

[9:30] Great. Yeah. So I go into work expecting

[9:33] either be stoned or deified and and

[9:37] neither one happens.

[9:39] nothing happens.

[9:42] You go through the day and you find out

[9:43] that in fact life is even easier. It's

[9:46] better. It's cleaner. It's simpler. It's

[9:48] worked so much better than before. And

[9:50] I've got this thing, well, okay, if I

[9:51] wasn't in control and I didn't have free

[9:54] will, who's running this show? And I

[9:56] just kept watching and I kept seeing in

[9:58] fact, life does itself just perfectly

[10:01] well. Thank you very much. I could

[10:03] function actually better with this

[10:05] situation that I have now than I could

[10:08] before because I go into a meeting

[10:11] [Music]

[10:12] and you find out that in fact you're the

[10:14] only person in the room. Nobody else was

[10:16] in the room all the time. They were

[10:19] there 10% of the time, 40% of the time,

[10:21] 30% of the time. You look like the

[10:23] smartest person in the room because

[10:24] you're the only one in the room that's

[10:25] there for the whole meeting.

[10:30] Uh I also it's much more creative. I

[10:32] found cognition is higher. It's been

[10:34] that way now for 17 years. Uh except for

[10:37] low energy. I'm hypoglycemic or uh I get

[10:41] very tired. We can talk about why that's

[10:43] the case. I think we know why it's the

[10:44] case. Second one is this idea of having

[10:47] self-reerential thoughts. It's okay to

[10:49] keep keep those self-reerential

[10:50] thoughts. It doesn't work for me. If you

[10:54] want to get really non-dual, you got to

[10:57] realize that those are the canaries in

[10:58] the coal mine. You got self-referential

[11:00] thoughts. A lot of people say, "I'm

[11:02] good. You know, I had this experience 10

[11:04] years ago. I'm non-dual." Yeah, there's

[11:06] some noise off in the corner. There's

[11:07] babbling and things, but I don't I pay

[11:09] no attention to the man behind the

[11:10] screen and I I just keep doing this

[11:12] thing and I'm perfectly happy with this.

[11:16] In fact, you find out those are the good

[11:18] indicators you've got. Suzuki Roshi

[11:21] called these thing uh mind weeds and he

[11:24] welcomed them. They give you a place to

[11:26] show you where you some work needs to be

[11:27] done where you still got an attachment.

[11:29] You still got something else to do. So

[11:31] if you can absolutely shut them down,

[11:33] get no thoughts and it's just no

[11:35] self-reerential problematic thoughts. I

[11:37] work with a lot of knowledge workers.

[11:39] It'll be university town. They live by

[11:41] their thoughts.

[11:43] But the thoughts they live by aren't

[11:44] these ones about oh my project's not

[11:47] going to get refunded again. I was going

[11:48] to have a terrible time. the department

[11:50] chair is going to throw me out. Not

[11:52] those kind of thoughts, but the ones

[11:54] about, oh, I need to run this project

[11:55] and put it in this way and organize it

[11:57] like this. Planning, problem solving

[12:00] does not change. It's easier, cleaner.

[12:03] Those are not emotionally charged

[12:04] thoughts. And amazingly, for me,

[12:06] amazingly, the brain can parse those

[12:08] out. The brain can recognize if you got

[12:11] thoughts, problematic thoughts, or if

[12:13] you got the ones that are just planning,

[12:15] just coded in because there's

[12:16] linguistically encoded. Almost all of

[12:18] our spe all of our uh residents of our

[12:21] species languages are all subject object

[12:23] doing of some kind except for four

[12:25] languages but all you can see the people

[12:28] this guy this guy you all know I'm sure

[12:31] Maharaj this guy you don't know I was

[12:33] giving a talk in Stockholm

[12:35] 2010 and he was uh actually one of the

[12:39] founders of Santa Dia Iwasa uh he was

[12:43] talking at in Stockholm about his

[12:45] experiences with Iwasa

[12:47] At the end of his talk, the very last

[12:49] thing he said was this. It's all about

[12:51] having no thoughts. Which is a big

[12:52] surprise to me because it was exactly

[12:54] what I was after. So I saw him and said,

[12:56] "Hey, this is fantastic. What a

[12:59] correspondence that we both have exactly

[13:02] the same perception of why we do

[13:03] spiritual practice. Iaska or meditation.

[13:06] These are classical resources. Déing

[13:09] zenji tanji yoga sutras. Yoga sutras 170

[13:13] so sutras. You talked about tanjali.

[13:14] several people in this workshop and you

[13:17] find out that yoga

[13:20] is the second one. The first one we're

[13:21] going to talk about yoga. Second sutra

[13:23] is yoga which is yoga is distilling for

[13:26] the modifications of the mind. Depending

[13:29] how hard you translate that it means to

[13:31] stop them. This one

[13:41] which says gradually gradually grab hold

[13:44] of your mind and put it in the self and

[13:47] don't think about anything else.

[13:50] So you've got a lot of these people

[13:52] saying pretty much the same thing.

[13:56] Myth three, you don't need to practice.

[13:58] You're already enlightened.

[14:04] Exactly. Uh the Zen people did this

[14:07] thing back in the 60s. They had exactly

[14:09] the same deal. It sells. It sells great.

[14:12] People come in, you tell them, hey,

[14:13] you're enlightened. Nothing you have to

[14:15] do. It's fantastic. Just, you know, come

[14:17] back to the next workshop. But it turn

[14:20] you find out that in fact absolutely not

[14:22] true. We've learned a lot about

[14:23] neuroplasticity in the last 10 years,

[14:25] last eight years. Enormous changes very

[14:28] quickly. This is a Harvard study and two

[14:31] months mindful meditation

[14:34] 40 minutes a day they can see five brain

[14:36] regions have actually changed in size in

[14:38] two months that's how fast it changes

[14:42] people and I've taken many of them to

[14:45] task personally that tell you there's

[14:46] nothing you have to do did a lot of re

[14:48] did a lot of practice Tony Parsons did

[14:51] years of practice pun papa gi did a

[14:55] really a tough tough long years and

[14:58] years and years and years of practice.

[14:59] They say there's nothing you have to do

[15:01] from where they're standing. That's

[15:03] true, but it's not from where you're

[15:06] standing. You've got to you can't just

[15:08] walk in and pick up a violin and say,

[15:10] "Okay, I'm now a concert violinist." It

[15:12] doesn't sound very good. You've got to

[15:14] learn how to do it. Um

[15:17] how fast it changes. Merenich is one of

[15:19] the top guys in the world right now in

[15:21] neuroplasticity out here someplace. and

[15:25] he had a way to look at the monkeykey's

[15:28] uh neural map of their face. It changed

[15:32] every week. Every week how the how the

[15:36] brain sensory motor cortex is actually

[15:38] linked into these face maps.

[15:43] How much you practice and how you

[15:45] practice matters a lot. Uh Malcolm

[15:49] Gladwell's book on 10,000 hours

[15:52] popularized this concept. The idea was

[15:54] $10,000 for concert violinists. Very

[15:56] small population, maybe 15 uh people in

[16:00] involved. And it's not as clear on

[16:03] concert violinists precisely what

[16:06] mastery means. You know, it's not I know

[16:08] it if I see it, but the chess guys, not

[16:11] surprisingly, are really into this.

[16:14] Chess guys will metricate anything.

[16:19] And what they found is that same thing

[16:23] 11,000 hours to mastery however big

[16:26] bandwidth 3,000 to 23,000 and they

[16:30] really know what mastery looks like in

[16:32] ELO points which is how they measure

[16:33] success in chess. And so genetics plays

[16:36] a role. Genetics matters whether you're

[16:38] going to be a 3,000 hour person or

[16:40] $23,000 person. But you're going to

[16:42] practice and it really determines

[16:44] whether or not you reach this and if you

[16:47] can go beyond that. Some chess masters

[16:49] keep growing and growing and growing and

[16:51] growing. Some don't. Some just peek out

[16:53] and stop.

[16:56] One thing down here and this is from

[16:57] Anders

[17:00] Anders. Anyway, he was the person who

[17:02] came up with all he got to do real

[17:04] research that that uh they put in 10,000

[17:07] hour book and Andrew Ericson. Andrew

[17:09] Ericson. Uh practice on what you don't

[17:12] do well. I mean, I did zillion hours of

[17:15] yoga. And if you aren't careful, you

[17:17] just keep doing the same exercise all

[17:18] over and over again. I'd love to do four

[17:20] bends. I just do four bends all the

[17:22] time. You never do backward bends. If

[17:24] you're going to expand your yoga

[17:25] practice, do the parts you're not good

[17:27] at. Meditational practice, do the parts

[17:30] you aren't doing well, that you try to

[17:32] avoid because that's where your growth

[17:34] is going to be.

[17:39] Myth four, mystical experiences are a

[17:41] mystery.

[17:42] Not so much. We now have some good

[17:44] models for this. This fellow Newberg is

[17:47] at Penn Dily was also there. He's passed

[17:51] on but Newberg is still there

[17:52] functioning very much. Their their model

[17:55] which is pretty much holding up

[17:57] somewhat. I talked to uh one of the

[18:00] Obi-Wan neuroscience yesterday and he

[18:02] confirmed it's possible. The idea here

[18:04] being that if you can you have the two

[18:06] sympathetic and parasympathetic

[18:08] excitement

[18:09] and then calmness those two circuits

[18:13] compete with each other they go back and

[18:14] forth al hopefully alternating excited

[18:17] calm excited calm excited calm that's

[18:20] what they function for fight and flight

[18:23] relax

[18:25] two sides what they say is if we can run

[18:28] these so you actually have the two of

[18:30] them at the same time fully activated

[18:33] they will conflict and they will shut

[18:35] down the inputs, the temporal and

[18:38] parietal loes that do the important

[18:40] things from mystical experiences. You

[18:42] just jam the circuits. They deferate.

[18:45] You just jam the circuits and you just

[18:46] stop anything from going to these places

[18:48] that are expecting input. They almost

[18:50] always get input. All of a sudden

[18:52] there's no input. And they they their

[18:55] postulate is that that's exactly what

[18:57] pushes mystical states into being. how

[19:00] this manifests in these input starved

[19:02] mystical states. They've got two books,

[19:06] well three or four books. You can look

[19:08] them up any any place. Hyperquescent you

[19:11] get very very very still. Hyperisal

[19:14] obviously marathon runners voodoo

[19:17] whatever swimmers skiers flow. We all

[19:19] know about flow God's book.

[19:22] hyperquiescent with the arousal

[19:24] breakthrough. You get really, really,

[19:25] really quiet and then bang, something

[19:28] happens. You get a breakthrough and you

[19:30] get great bliss is lowering energy

[19:33] absorption. The converse of that here is

[19:36] this way. Now, I I cheated in my

[19:39] meditation practice. I confessed to this

[19:41] now after after 30,000 hours. And how I

[19:44] cheated was I was a runner and I could

[19:46] get into this state. I could get a

[19:48] runner's high. And so I thought, well,

[19:50] this is interesting. I started to sit

[19:52] and the Zen guy said, "Sit still. Hold

[19:55] your hands where they're supposed to be

[19:56] and don't move.

[19:59] If you move, we're get a stick. We're

[20:00] going to come around with a stick. We're

[20:02] going to hit you with the stick."

[20:04] And they did this very tough bunch of

[20:07] guys. So, you had to really s So, you're

[20:09] going to you were hyperquiescent. You

[20:11] were not moving at all. And so, if you

[20:14] got your mind calmed down, then you

[20:16] could find yourself in this

[20:17] hyperquescent with the arousal

[20:19] breakthrough state. I found I could do

[20:20] that. I could sit and after about 35

[20:23] minutes, which is about a runner's high

[20:24] time, I got

[20:27] mystical experience. I like this. Not I

[20:31] I like it. The brain liked it. This is

[20:33] like a kibble for the brain. The brain

[20:35] said, "This is the coolest game in town.

[20:37] I get to sit and I get this treat at the

[20:39] end." Most people like go 20 minutes and

[20:42] stop or 30 minutes and stop. You do the

[20:44] hard work and you don't get anything.

[20:46] The brain says, "This is no fun. I don't

[20:47] want to do this."

[20:49] So I get a kibble. My brain we I just

[20:53] sat every time I sat every day until I

[20:56] got a kibble for the brain. And the

[20:58] brain really liked this. And so the

[21:00] brain loves to meditate. And I just this

[21:03] is how my practice has been for a long

[21:05] long time. I can still do it. It doesn't

[21:07] take 30 minutes though. It takes up like

[21:09] 10 seconds. But you can just bring this

[21:12] on this state here. Bang. That fast.

[21:19] mystical and psychotic states. Uh, a lot

[21:21] of questions I get from many many people

[21:23] about this thing. My friends say I'm

[21:25] crazy. Am I? Uh, my friends say I'm

[21:28] psychotic. Am I? And these guys, Newberg

[21:30] and DQ looked at, okay, here's here's

[21:33] some examples. And I'm not pretending to

[21:35] be a psychotherapist or psychiatrist.

[21:37] I'm just saying if you've got these kind

[21:39] of experiences, how you talk about the

[21:42] experience, your break from reality, how

[21:44] you describe it, and how you interpret

[21:47] the meaning of that experience. If you

[21:49] put all those together, you can pretty

[21:51] much get an idea whether or not you're

[21:52] ecstatic and joyful as you talk about it

[21:55] or if you're confused, terrified, and

[21:57] distressed after it. Similarly, if you

[21:59] long for return to it, or if you're just

[22:02] no, I'm not going back there again. when

[22:05] you talk about it later it's most

[22:07] mystics empty your ego calm still

[22:09] peaceful psychotics messianic healing

[22:12] powers this is not uh proscriptive this

[22:16] is not absolutely take it to the bank if

[22:18] you can't function if you can't raise

[22:21] your kids if you can't do a job if you

[22:24] can't go out in the world and function

[22:25] somehow reasonably well then go see

[22:27] somebody if not and you fall into these

[22:30] categories then it's almost certainly a

[22:33] mystical experience

[22:38] Myth five, spiritual path needs levels,

[22:41] titles, and an endpoint.

[22:44] Everybody loves this one. Why they love

[22:45] it? We we are evolutionarily bred into

[22:49] liking hierarchies. We became the

[22:51] masters and destroyers of the planet by

[22:54] being able to organize large bunches of

[22:56] ourselves to go out and do some task. It

[22:59] required a hierarchical structure.

[23:01] Hierarchal structure benefits from

[23:04] levels and titles. If I say Sam, you're

[23:07] enlightened,

[23:08] but you're only enlightened at level

[23:10] three. You want to get to level four,

[23:12] Sam,

[23:14] need some money here and some more time.

[23:17] The workshops get longer. Uh it'll be,

[23:20] you know, the usual $5,000 for two weeks

[23:22] is now going to be $15,000 for two weeks

[23:24] because it's special teaching to get to

[23:26] level four.

[23:28] or you can take the direct path. But

[23:30] this is what many people do. And to

[23:34] believe that everybody's going to go

[23:35] down the same path, I think to me is

[23:37] beyond naive. You look, and these

[23:39] aren't, this isn't comprehensive, but

[23:42] you look at the kinds of things that

[23:43] affect your likelihood of success in

[23:45] spiritual matters. It's a long list. And

[23:49] we all go through these things in

[23:50] different orders. We have different

[23:51] intensities of them. We have different

[23:53] genetics, different family, when we were

[23:54] born, where we were born, who our

[23:55] teachers were before. It's silly to

[23:59] believe that they're all going to go

[24:00] down exactly the same path in exactly

[24:02] the same rate. Just doesn't happen.

[24:06] There lots of sayings about this both

[24:08] from the Hindus from the Buddhists that

[24:10] there are lots of paths up the mountain.

[24:13] Uh I my first book was very much about

[24:16] look here's hundred ways. Pick one. Pick

[24:19] the one that appeals to you and do it.

[24:22] The one you will pick and do is way

[24:24] better than the one you will pick and

[24:26] not do. So find something you love to do

[24:29] and then go into it and really ingest it

[24:32] and be with it. You can get there by

[24:33] many many paths.

[24:36] Number six, psychedelics can produce

[24:38] persistent non-duality.

[24:40] Yeah. I'm not

[24:44] we have we have a one of the big Iwasa

[24:46] guys in the world right there in the

[24:48] white thing there.

[24:51] So he can throw stones if he wants to.

[24:54] Uh the the key to this thing you've

[24:56] heard much about the default mode

[24:57] network at this conference. This is

[24:59] started in uh roughly 2000 and we've

[25:03] really fleshed it out. We a spiritual

[25:06] community a neuroscience community and

[25:08] we know what this is done. This was a uh

[25:09] one of the seminal papers Harvard 2010

[25:12] Andrews Hannah 11 centers basically

[25:15] generate this sense of selfing

[25:18] all the forms and types of selfing

[25:20] you've got two subn networks in the core

[25:23] one core is a cortex you probably all

[25:25] heard about many many times we're going

[25:27] to talk about this through here you can

[25:29] see the good news bad news is it's way

[25:31] down deep in the brain it's way down

[25:33] inside right here and way down inside

[25:36] here so the hard thing is you got to

[25:38] down in there and get a good signal. If

[25:41] you're going to put an EEG on the top of

[25:42] your head, you got to process a lot of

[25:45] signals to make sure it's exactly coming

[25:47] from this place and a lot of

[25:49] transducers.

[25:51] Okay. What we found out, this is

[25:54] Andrew's Hannah now, is that one of

[25:55] these sub networks creates this sense of

[25:57] you existing through time. You as an

[26:00] agent that moves from past through

[26:02] present quickly into future. The other

[26:06] one is

[26:07] a network that produces this sense of

[26:10] you and other things. You in the chair,

[26:12] you and the person next to you. And you

[26:14] find out that whether you do it with

[26:16] meditation, IA mushrooms, you produce

[26:21] this shutdown of these two circuits. As

[26:25] you do, you get the classical all is

[26:27] one.

[26:29] And now now

[26:32] they all produce this as a main core.

[26:34] Certainly Iaska doesn't give you the

[26:35] same experiences as mushrooms does or

[26:37] meditation does but a lot of it codes on

[26:40] exactly the same level psychedelically

[26:44] mystically

[26:46] I was very heavily involved in the Yale

[26:48] study um subject collaborator

[26:52] co-conspirator and uh Jud Brewer at that

[26:55] time was at at Yale and same thing

[26:57] happened these are terraodens 10,000

[26:59] hours plus or minus uh three terraodin

[27:02] meditations

[27:04] and looked and said, "Okay, what

[27:05] happens?" Duh. Terravod shut these

[27:08] things down.

[27:09] Not surprising. 10,000 hours. Not a big,

[27:12] not a big news because in fact, as we'll

[27:15] see here in a second, you've got a

[27:16] tasking network that sits over here.

[27:18] Farb in 2007 proved this. You got a

[27:20] tasking network sits over here. And

[27:22] you've got this default mode network

[27:24] that's really deep down the core of the

[27:25] brain in here. This goes blah blah blah

[27:27] blah blah blah blah. And when you're

[27:28] doing a task and you're over here, then

[27:30] you're consumed by your task. It's a

[27:32] task you love to do, you'll notice

[27:34] you're not thinking. If you're rock

[27:36] climbing, you're doing a high pitch,

[27:39] you've got to be really careful. You pay

[27:40] attention and you don't think. And we

[27:43] like it because we don't think if you're

[27:44] in a chess match, whatever it is, it

[27:45] really turns you on a vocation or

[27:48] vocation. This tasking network will shut

[27:51] down the default mode network. So these

[27:53] guys were really just tasking. The

[27:56] really interesting thing was when Jud

[27:57] turned off in between in between runs he

[28:00] found that in fact those centers stayed

[28:02] shut down even without meditation they

[28:05] were shut down for a while. We now know

[28:09] we've got these three circuits. This is

[28:10] a tasking network. This is the expanded

[28:14] updated version from Andrews Hannah 2014

[28:17] and she pulled in a thousand person

[28:19] study from MIT to really work her thing

[28:22] out. And the thickness of these lines is

[28:24] how often they talk to each other. They

[28:25] operate at the same time. And you can

[28:27] see you've got these two sides and

[28:29] you've got two centers up here which Jud

[28:31] found as well. Jud Brewer found as well.

[28:33] And their job is to watch and control

[28:36] the situation. I mean they watch to see

[28:38] if this thing the the yellow ball is

[28:40] shut down. They see if it's shut down.

[28:44] They can control this thing. They're

[28:45] right up here. It's called a salance

[28:46] network. These two centers are watching

[28:49] this and this to regulate this switching

[28:51] back and forth. If you got ADHD, what it

[28:54] is is this circuit blah blah blah won't

[28:57] shut up. It will not let go. And so

[28:59] you're over here trying to get a job

[29:00] done and blah blah is over here going

[29:04] and so you can't concentrate.

[29:07] There's a lot of good research on that

[29:09] too.

[29:11] How shrooms work uh exactly the same way

[29:15] meditation works. Not exactly, but this

[29:17] is IV psilocybin in the UK medium level

[29:21] doses. There's no way to worry about,

[29:23] you know, do we am I digesting it

[29:25] properly or not? It's just IV. And you

[29:27] can get a clear picture here. Infusion

[29:29] point and how the uh this thing shuts

[29:33] down. As it shuts down, some of your

[29:36] friends may have told you you actually

[29:38] get extremely intense effects.

[29:41] So tracks exactly on

[29:44] meditation.

[29:46] Iwasa same thing. This is a well-known

[29:49] study now. It's only it was recently

[29:51] done but it's pretty well known quickly.

[29:53] Same thing happens these two of the core

[29:55] centers before Iwasa

[29:57] on Iwasa in the fMRI. They're shut down.

[30:00] They're gone.

[30:03] Same thing happens. There's a very nice

[30:04] longitudinal study now we were looking

[30:06] at yesterday at lunch on long-term usage

[30:09] of Iawaska,

[30:11] but they all work. The one thing and I I

[30:15] recommend everybody have some kind of

[30:18] mystical experience. If it needs to be

[30:20] mushroom, I'm not pimping for mushrooms.

[30:21] I'm a virgin, by the way. I'm a virgin

[30:23] psychedelics, but I encourage people to

[30:26] to do something. Take take do get some

[30:28] mushrooms from somebody, anybody, any

[30:30] place. And

[30:32] really backyard

[30:34] backyard.

[30:36] Make sure that you make sure they're

[30:37] really good stuff. But I encourage

[30:40] people to do this. One fellow here in

[30:42] the Bay Area I work with, he's at a

[30:44] conference today and u he'd been

[30:46] practicing very hard. Practice,

[30:49] practice, practice, practice, practice.

[30:50] But he wasn't getting anywhere.

[30:53] And so I said, "Get some mushrooms."

[30:57] And magically someone who he didn't

[30:59] expect would have mushrooms gave him a

[31:01] Hershey bar that was wrapped around has

[31:04] a wrapper around some mushrooms and he

[31:06] reached up took them lo and behold

[31:09] bango. Now the brain knew what was

[31:11] possible. The problem is the brain

[31:13] doesn't know what's possible. It's this

[31:16] is its reality. If you show it something

[31:18] else, you say, "Oh, gee, this is all

[31:20] kinds of things are possible. I can make

[31:22] this. I can make that. I can make

[31:24] peacocks. I can make crawling snakes. I

[31:25] can do all kinds of things. So you say,

[31:28] okay, my consensus reality is not the

[31:31] only reality there. The brain is what

[31:33] somebody said on Friday, it's a best

[31:35] efforts basis. The brain's not trying to

[31:37] do a perfect job of replication. It's

[31:39] just trying to say, well, okay, the lion

[31:41] comes down to the steak. The lion's

[31:42] hungry. Lion needs the steak. That's

[31:44] fitness. However, the lion then says,

[31:46] "Well, okay, my belly is full. I'm

[31:48] looking for a lady lion." So he doesn't

[31:51] care about the steak anymore. Now he

[31:52] cares about lady lions. That's fitness.

[31:55] It's not perfect, but it's fitness. As

[31:57] your demands change, you adapt and you

[31:59] move to another object.

[32:03] So, uh,

[32:06] as far as matching these up, they all go

[32:09] on the same scale. Psychedelics,

[32:12] uh, what I do, persistent non-duality.

[32:15] Yeah, just non-duality. And you can see

[32:18] what happens. Jeffrey Martin who isn't

[32:21] here. He's in he's around today. Um did

[32:24] his PhD thesis at CIS on this. He took

[32:27] 500 people, cut it down to 36 of us and

[32:30] said, "Okently,

[32:32] you spend a lot of your time within this

[32:33] non-dual state, this no thought state."

[32:35] And so we're going to we're going to all

[32:37] kinds of interviews and testing and

[32:39] everything else on you. We're going to

[32:40] see how you do. Well, Hood of Hood Mrs.

[32:44] Skill was actually on Jeffrey's doctoral

[32:45] committee. So, this is about as good as

[32:47] it's going to get. And of this 36 of us

[32:50] in this population, nine of us scored

[32:53] 160.

[32:55] It's the highest level in the scale. And

[32:56] we're that way persistently

[32:59] 90% of the time. So it's like a 90% of

[33:02] the time psychedelic experience on this

[33:05] scale common scale. The problem with

[33:08] psychedelics is you got it's six hours

[33:10] and it's gone or eight hours or 14 hours

[33:12] and it's gone. The brain doesn't get a

[33:15] chance to learn how to do it itself. You

[33:16] got to make the brain learn how to do it

[33:18] itself or it's not going to be

[33:19] persistent. I met a guy Nucan 121212. He

[33:23] had done 2,000 trips of high highdose

[33:26] high strength acid. I said, "How's it

[33:28] going for you?" He said, "Not there yet.

[33:33] 2,000."

[33:35] He say, "Well, it's not working." And

[33:37] actually, he developed an enormous ego

[33:39] around being an extreme athlete on acid.

[33:43] So, it doesn't get you there. You've got

[33:45] to somehow find a way to taper it down,

[33:48] make the brain learn how to do it. It's

[33:50] exactly the same receptors. It's the

[33:52] same circuitry. It's the same chemicals.

[33:54] The brain's got them. It has to work

[33:56] that way or the psychedelics wouldn't

[33:57] work that way. Plant medicine works

[34:00] because they found out how to hack our

[34:02] system.

[34:04] We discovered that we had synapses and

[34:06] how they worked with canabonoids.

[34:08] All research results are are reliable

[34:11] and good and true. Everything's

[34:13] fantastic. Not so much. Uh this is a big

[34:16] study in German American Medical

[34:18] Association. We'll see here on mindful

[34:20] meditation.

[34:22] 47 trials, lots of people. You can see

[34:24] the words on mindful meditation.

[34:26] However, of those 47 trials, you get

[34:29] down here. And the guys in Hopkins who

[34:32] are report said, but only 10 of those 47

[34:35] trials were without bias.

[34:38] So you've got 37.

[34:41] Three4s of the trials. The good trials,

[34:44] these are the best trials were biased.

[34:48] They're biased because if I'm a an XY

[34:53] person or religion,

[34:55] not Buddhism, I'm picking Buddhism. I

[34:58] actually had some friends in Buddhism.

[35:00] Uh but you believe that you're

[35:02] protecting the Dharma.

[35:05] It's your job to protect the dharma. And

[35:06] you select people from your sect and you

[35:09] run your sect's practices. And you

[35:13] evaluate the goodness of this, the

[35:15] fitness of this against your sect's

[35:19] attributes. That's going to be biased.

[35:21] No matter how careful you are, it's

[35:23] almost impossible to avoid bias. Doesn't

[35:26] have to be pernitious, but it creeps in.

[35:29] You've already done it with the

[35:30] selection of your subjects.

[35:33] uh a lot of it can't be reproduced.

[35:36] psychological studies they picked. This

[35:38] another meta study published in science

[35:41] just published and 97% of the studies

[35:44] they picked had a very high significance

[35:46] very great study fantastic awesome study

[35:50] so they went back and tried to replicate

[35:51] it only 36% of them could replicate

[35:56] the rest of them they could not

[35:58] replicate the results

[36:00] so what's the value of that not very

[36:02] high if you look down here this is about

[36:04] different uh psychical therapies they

[36:08] say they're at least 25% overstated in

[36:10] effectiveness for the same reason.

[36:12] People say, "Oh, that's an outlier. Oh,

[36:14] that doesn't count. Oh, I know this

[36:16] person. They're crazy." Uh, so you end

[36:18] up then with a very carefully controlled

[36:20] population, so you get good statistics,

[36:22] so you get tenure, so you get funded, so

[36:23] you get more research dollars, whatever.

[36:28] Uh, without science, so we're screwed. I

[36:31] It's the best tool we have, the only

[36:33] tool we have for some of this stuff.

[36:34] We're not doing as well as we could. We

[36:37] if we do it a lot better, it'll help us

[36:38] a lot more.

[36:41] Pardon?

[36:44] He was

[36:44] on the previous

[36:47] Why? But let let me finish this. I've

[36:51] got a couple more slides and and I I

[36:53] should get five minutes because I I this

[36:55] thing didn't get running for five

[36:56] minutes. Uh myth eight was if if there's

[37:01] no I you won't be compassionate. I get

[37:02] this a lot. I got called non-human uh at

[37:05] one one panel discussion in in the

[37:07] Netherlands. You aren't a human being

[37:09] because you don't have these desires and

[37:11] these bad things. Um it's really

[37:14] compassion for most people is really

[37:16] reciprocal altruism. Uh I give I give

[37:19] Sam something. I don't pick on Sam. I

[37:21] give Sam something and I say Sam okay

[37:24] I'm really helping out here. So I'm

[37:25] expecting something back from Sam. This

[37:28] goes into the hierarchal structure. to

[37:30] hold the structure together because I

[37:31] give something to Sam and he gets to

[37:33] give me something back later. So Sam and

[37:34] I are kind of looked together. We're in

[37:36] the same structure. We know where we are

[37:37] in this thing. It's the glue of the

[37:40] hierarchy.

[37:41] You can see though there are all kinds

[37:43] of things we're expecting out of this.

[37:46] And these guys did tons of work on this.

[37:48] There's even a a center out here on

[37:51] typical altruism. But it's really just

[37:53] let's make a deal. If you watch

[37:55] carefully, you can feel it in yourself.

[37:57] I'm helping this person down here. I'm

[37:59] up here. They're down there. They need

[38:00] this thing from me. And you give it to

[38:02] me and think, "Ah, karma points, heaven

[38:05] points. I'm on my way now." You're

[38:08] expecting reward. If not now, later.

[38:13] In fact, your compassion is all about

[38:15] you. You have to guess who said this

[38:17] thing. Human beings are naturally

[38:19] selfish. This this guy's a really

[38:21] welltuned in, scientifically trained,

[38:23] scientifically involved. Science shows

[38:26] that we are naturally compassionate and

[38:28] helping someone else makes you feel

[38:29] good. This is scientific research. We

[38:31] know this down here. By nature, every

[38:33] human being loves themselves.

[38:35] But by helping another, you are building

[38:37] your own happy self. You are building

[38:40] your ego by doing this process of

[38:42] helping Sam and getting something back

[38:44] from Sam. Doesn't take your ego down. It

[38:46] actually strengthens it.

[38:48] Yes, he said this.

[38:52] Yeah.

[38:54] Dolly level

[38:56] last

[38:58] non-duality is a psychotic state

[39:02] and this is a serious problem for people

[39:05] DSM5 which is the diagnostic manual by

[39:09] which psychologists and psychiatrists

[39:11] can build Medicare or whoever health

[39:13] care systems and uh they have to has to

[39:16] be in the manual. This guy from Duke

[39:19] actually chaired the study. He wrote a

[39:22] blistering

[39:23] uh almost repudiation of the study and

[39:26] said that in fact this fuzzy boundary

[39:29] like for ADHD is so broad now that many

[39:32] many many people fall into this thing

[39:34] that didn't before and he also said

[39:37] basically everybody some place will get

[39:39] in there. If you look drug companies,

[39:41] but if you actually look I got a blog

[39:43] post on this thing. Take one of the big

[39:45] Obi-Wan's in uh depersonalization

[39:48] disorder and this one woman lists off 20

[39:51] characteristics of depersonalization

[39:53] disorder.

[39:54] So I took the hood myth system scale and

[39:57] I listed 20 things and they're the same

[39:59] 20 things. I mean the mystical things

[40:02] line up exactly with depersonalization

[40:04] disorder. So you've got to somehow find

[40:06] a psychologist or someone in the Bay

[40:07] Area who understands this problem that

[40:11] in fact what we call mythicism we think

[40:12] is fantastic. Uh they've categorized

[40:16] psychopathized it. Just be aware of

[40:19] this. You start hearing people oh you

[40:21] you're psychotic. DSM5 says this.

[40:24] There's a lot of controversy about this

[40:25] whole thing about DSM5 period but in

[40:28] particular about this particular issue.

[40:30] That's all I have. Thank you.

[40:32] [Applause]

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No. While powerful spiritual experiences are memorable, neuroscience shows that memory degrades with each recall. What matters is lasting change—a stable shift in how consciousness operates—not a vivid memory of a past event, no matter how profound it seemed at the time.
Yes. The brain rewires based on deliberate practice, just as it does in chess or music. Nondual awareness requires thousands of hours of committed practice—whether through meditation, self-inquiry, or other contemplative methods—to establish new neural patterns.
No. Psychosis involves disorganization and loss of function; nonduality involves profound clarity and enhanced capacity. Research shows that nondual states correlate with organized brain activity and sustained functionality in the world.
Psychedelics create temporary experiences of dissolution or interconnectedness, but the effect fades when the drug wears off. Lasting nonduality requires sustained practice to rewire the nervous system—psychedelics alone cannot create permanent change.
No. Compassion doesn't depend on ego identity; if anything, it becomes clearer and stronger when self-referential thoughts quiet down. Nondual people typically show enhanced empathy and ethical capacity, not diminished.
No. Nonduality is a shift in how consciousness operates and can be explored through secular, scientifically-grounded practices with no religious framework, philosophy, or belief system required.
No. The goal is freedom from self-referential, emotionally-charged thought loops. Practical thinking continues—how to solve problems, communicate, navigate daily life. What quiets is the anxious internal monologue about yourself.
No. Many widely-cited studies have methodological flaws like biased subject pools or lack of control groups. Reliable research requires careful design, blinding, and unambiguous measures of what's actually being tested.

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