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Vivekananda's Letters: Serve the Lowest, Not Just Ritual

Vedanta Society of Southern California
Vedanta Society of Southern California
Oct 16, 2026
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Da Vedanta Society of Southern California

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On a weeknight at the Vedanta Society of Southern California, Swami Mahayogananda opens with the same prayer that begins every session of this study: "May we be protected together. May we be nourished together. May we gain in strength together." Then he turns to page 391 of the new edition of the Letters of Swami Vivekananda, and the room settles into the slow, close attention of people who have come a long way through four volumes of correspondence. The letter he reads was written from Chicago, from the Hale residence, to Vivekananda's brother disciples at the main monastery in India. It is long, it is pointed, and by the speaker's account it "came down very hard" on monks who were giving too much of their energy to worship, puja, and ritual while the suffering in India went on. Serve the hungry, serve the suffering. That, in short, is the command underneath the whole letter.

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Why does this new edition of Vivekananda's letters matter?

Mahayogananda is clear about what makes this edition different from the older collection most readers know. The letters now run in strict chronological order, and as far as the material to date allows, they have been restored to their original form. "There's a lot of material edited out of the letters that appear in the complete works," he tells the group, sometimes because it concerned someone still alive, and sometimes because an editor judged it uninteresting. For a student of Vivekananda's philosophy, a cut like that might be harmless. But for students who want to know where Swamiji was and what he was doing, he says, "every detail is important." The result, in his words, is "a tremendous trove of new information."

That practical note carries its own small lesson. The speaker mentions that the paper volumes are expensive in America because they ship from India, and that the ebook, at roughly $10, was "money well spent." He also points out the feature that matters most to a study group: you can search an ebook for a passage. For anyone trying to follow a letter line by line, that is no small convenience. It is also a reminder that the way you hold a text changes how you read it.

What does "As Thakur loved you" really ask of us?

The emotional center of the letter is a sentence the speaker returns to more than once. Reading it aloud, he gives it the weight of a command: "As Thakur loved you, as I love you, you love the world like that." He pauses on its power, and he draws a parallel to the Christian scriptures, where Jesus tells his disciples to love one another as he has loved them. Vivekananda, in this reading, "always comes back to love."

The word "Thakur" needs a moment of explanation, and Mahayogananda gives it one. It is the affectionate yet respectful name the disciples used for Sri Ramakrishna. The word can also mean a deity in a temple, or a master, and it carries several shades of meaning at once. In the Gospel, the speaker notes, the disciples most often called him Mahashaya, a term of respect that is often rendered as "sir" but, in his view, loses something in that translation, because "sir" carries a formality that the original does not. Ramakrishna, he says, could not bear being addressed as father, Baba, Karta, master, or Guru, but he accepted Thakur. The detail is small, yet it shows how carefully the disciples and their teacher negotiated affection and reverence.

Vivekananda's instruction to the brothers in India is concrete. He asks them to gather the people around them, to find Gunandhi (the monk Achyutananda Saraswati, of another order, with whom Vivekananda had traveled during his wandering years), and to bring him into the work of uplifting India. He asks them to find Gupta, Swami Sadananda, Vivekananda's first monk disciple, and to call him "in my name." The love in the letter is not abstract. It is a request for people to be physically called, invited, and kept close.

What do the monks' vows say about renunciation?

The letter gives monks a set of rules, and Mahayogananda reads them slowly. The first concerns renunciation. He quotes the Sanskrit trio that the letter names: bhakti, bhukti, mukti, meaning devotion, enjoyment, and liberation. "We are sannyasins. Bhakti, bhukti, mukti, everything has been renounced." Of the three, he explains, a sannyasin naturally gives up the pursuit of enjoyment. But Vivekananda goes further. He suggests that even seeking devotion, or seeking liberation, must be set aside. "It's a very high call," the speaker says. "Swamiji sets the bar very high for his ideal of monasticism."

"To do good to the world, to do good to everyone down to the lowest chandala is our vow. Let whatever comes, liberation or hell." (Vivekananda, in a letter from Chicago, as read by Swami Mahayogananda)

This is the passage that gives the talk its sharpest turn. The speaker stops and asks the room who the chandalas are in America today. Someone answers, "Minorities," and he takes the idea further. A chandala is someone you would not want to touch. And then he names the people every visitor to an American city sees: "The unhoused, the people living on the streets right outside." He asks, plainly, "Who is it that we don't want to touch? ... I don't want to touch them." Vivekananda's vow, read through that lens, is not a sentiment about distant poverty. It is an instruction about the person sleeping on the sidewalk on your own route to work. Do good to them. Let whatever comes.

There is a reason that reading lands. Vivekananda's letter, as the speaker reads it, sets service against the comfortable habits of religious life, including the habit of concentrating on the bell and the altar while a crisis unfolds beyond the temple walls. The vow is demanding because it refuses to let spiritual practice serve as an alibi for avoiding the people nearest to us.

How should we understand Ramakrishna as an incarnation?

Mahayogananda is careful about a point that is easy to get wrong. Vivekananda, he says, considered his guru to be an avatara, a manifestation of God in human form, like Buddha, Rama, Krishna, or Jesus. This is clear, he argues, from the letters and from the hymns Vivekananda wrote to Sri Ramakrishna. Yet Vivekananda was equally clear that this belief was not to be preached or pressed on others. "Let people accept him as they see him." The speaker contrasts this with a form of Christianity of that era, and to some extent of today, in which one must believe that Jesus is God or face hell forever. The room laughs at that line, and the speaker's point is serious: Vivekananda leaves each listener room to see Ramakrishna "in your own light, according to your own understanding."

This is a useful discipline for any contemplative reader. It asks us to hold a strong conviction about a teacher without making that conviction a test of other people's worth. Vivekananda, in this letter, practices what the speaker describes as an openness that does not require agreement before it offers love.

What does the teaching "God is your own true nature" mean in practice?

Later in the session, the reading reaches a line that the speaker frames as a direct instruction: "God is your own true nature. Realize it." The phrase compresses the logic of the whole talk. If the divine is not somewhere else but is one's own deepest nature, then the work is not to acquire holiness from outside, through ritual alone, but to recognize it, and to let that recognition show up in how one treats the unhoused neighbor, the minority, or the stranger one would rather not touch. The letters, read this way, are not an archive of old debates. They are a set of working instructions for a living practice.

The speaker's commitment to the material is itself a kind of teaching. He has no interest in reducing the letters to a fact sheet. He reads the details of Vivekananda's movements, his friends, and his disagreements as parts of a single human life, and he treats each detail as worth knowing because it is part of how a teacher actually lived.

Where to go from here

If this session has you wanting to read the letter itself, start with the passage Mahayogananda reads from page 391 of volume one of the new edition, where Vivekananda writes from Chicago to the brothers at the monastery. Read it slowly, and read the vow aloud. Then ask the question the speaker asks: who, in your own city, are the people you would rather not touch? Vivekananda did not write these lines as literature. He wrote them as instructions. The new four-volume edition, arranged chronologically and restored as far as possible, makes it easier than ever to follow him from one letter to the next and to see how his teaching on love, renunciation, and service developed in the real circumstances of his life.

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[0:09] Good evening.

[0:10] We are continuing after a long break, it

[0:13] seems like, the letters of Swami

[0:15] Vivekananda, the new edition, which, as

[0:19] I think many of you know by now, it's in

[0:22] four volumes. This is volume one of four

[0:25] volumes. It's a tremendous collection

[0:28] and it's thrilling reading.

[0:31] All the letters have been arranged in

[0:33] chronological order. All the letters

[0:34] that we have to date have been arranged

[0:37] in chronological order

[0:39] and restored as much as possible to

[0:41] their original. There's a lot of

[0:43] material edited out of the

[0:46] letters that appear in the complete

[0:48] works. Material sometimes because it was

[0:50] about someone who was still alive or

[0:54] sometimes the editors felt that well,

[0:55] this is not really very interesting. And

[0:57] it may not be very interesting from the

[0:59] standpoint of studying Swami

[1:00] Vivekananda's philosophical teachings or

[1:02] something like that. But for

[1:06] us who are students of Swamiji, who want

[1:08] to know where he was when all the

[1:11] details of his life, every detail is

[1:13] important. So, it's a tremendous trove

[1:16] of

[1:18] uh new information and we are going

[1:21] through it. So, let's start with our

[1:23] opening prayer.

[1:57] May we be protected together.

[2:01] May we be nourished together.

[2:04] May we gain in strength together.

[2:08] May our study be vigorous and fruitful.

[2:13] May what we study, may what we learn

[2:15] shine forth in our lives.

[2:18] May we not find fault with one another.

[2:22] Om peace

[2:24] peace

[2:25] peace.

[2:28] So, I thank you also for coming because

[2:31] doing taking this journey together

[2:33] through the letters of Swami Vivekananda

[2:35] is really a joy. We are going to take

[2:38] continue where we left off. We're on

[2:40] page 391 if anyone is following along

[2:42] with the book. [snorts]

[2:44] The actually the books are quite costly

[2:47] if you want to buy them in paper,

[2:49] especially here in America. They're

[2:50] shipped all the way from India, but it's

[2:53] about $10 for an ebook which you can

[2:55] read on a on a

[2:57] a tablet or book reader and

[3:01] for me it was money well spent.

[3:04] Of course I I went both.

[3:06] The

[3:07] the benefit of the ebook is you can also

[3:09] search it. If you're looking for a

[3:10] passage, you can search it. So, we're

[3:11] reading we're in the midst of a letter

[3:14] written to his brother disciples at the

[3:17] mutt at the main monastery and

[3:21] he's writing from Chicago at the Hale

[3:22] residence and it's a long letter which

[3:25] was also came down very hard on the

[3:32] brothers and particularly on those who

[3:35] are getting too much involved in worship

[3:38] and puja and rituals when there is so

[3:41] much suffering in the world, so much

[3:42] suffering in the country of India and

[3:44] you're just going to worry about ringing

[3:46] the bell more and doing puja. Serve the

[3:49] hungry, serve the suffering. This is

[3:52] Swami ji's called. So, he's continuing

[3:53] in that

[3:54] that line.

[3:57] So,

[3:58] it's towards the end of the letter. He

[4:00] says, "As Thakur loved you, that is Sri

[4:03] Ramakrishna, as Thakur loved you, as I

[4:06] love you,

[4:08] you love the world like that."

[4:12] What a powerful

[4:14] command, what a powerful call. As and it

[4:17] sounds like something similar in the

[4:20] Christian scripture also.

[4:22] Um the Jesus commanded his disciples to

[4:24] love each other as he loves them. So,

[4:27] it's amazing. He says, "As Thakur as Sri

[4:30] Ramakrishna Thakur is that very

[4:32] affectionate address uh affectionate yet

[4:36] respectful address that uh

[4:38] the disciples had for Sri Ramakrishna.

[4:40] Thakur also means a deity in a temple.

[4:44] It also means master. It has a number of

[4:45] different meanings, but

[4:48] this is what uh

[4:50] the disciples called Sri Ramakrishna

[4:52] among other things. They Swamiji used to

[4:54] refer to him very much as Guru Maharaj.

[4:57] Ananta?

[4:58] >> What What did they call him like to him?

[5:01] >> To him? Uh well, in the gospel we find

[5:04] that mostly it was this term Mahashaya.

[5:07] Mahashaya, which means a respected

[5:09] person. It's a it's a

[5:11] very respectful term of address, which

[5:13] is sometimes translated as sir, but sir

[5:15] has this formality that just doesn't

[5:17] catch it and and

[5:19] Mahashaya

[5:20] revered sir kind of revered revered

[5:22] person a revered yet respected loved

[5:25] person whom we respect. Mahashaya.

[5:29] Apparently, they used to sometimes call

[5:30] him Thakur to his and he he accepted

[5:33] that because he used to say he couldn't

[5:35] bear three terms, right? He couldn't

[5:37] bear being called father, Baba, or

[5:39] Karta, master, or Guru, teacher. He

[5:43] couldn't bear those addresses.

[5:45] Uh but Thakur, which also is sometimes

[5:47] translated as as master, he he

[5:49] apparently accepted. So, this is a

[5:51] tremendous statement. As Sri Ramakrishna

[5:54] loved you, as I love you, you love the

[5:57] world like that.

[6:00] Vivekananda always comes back to love.

[6:02] Now, he's guiding the brothers in India.

[6:04] Bring them all together. Where is

[6:06] Gunandhi?

[6:08] This was

[6:09] a monk of another order of the Arya

[6:11] Samaj named Achyutananda Saraswati. He

[6:15] was very close with Swami Vivekananda.

[6:17] They spent some time together in during

[6:19] Swamiji's wandering days. So, he he's

[6:21] wanting that Gunandhi this Achyutananda

[6:23] should join the brothers in the work of

[6:26] of uplift of India.

[6:28] You must call him and keep him with you.

[6:31] My infinite love to him.

[6:33] Where is Gupta? Gupta's referring to

[6:35] Swamiji's first monk disciple, Swami

[6:38] Sadananda. Let him come if he likes.

[6:41] Call him in my name.

[6:44] Remember these few things. He's going to

[6:47] give instructions for the monks, but

[6:50] also really we can take inspiration from

[6:53] them, all of us.

[6:55] One. This part is for the monks. We are

[6:58] sannyasins. Bhakti, bhukti, mukti,

[7:02] everything has been renounced. So,

[7:06] sannyasins

[7:08] for sannyasins even devotion Bhukti

[7:11] means

[7:12] enjoyment and mukti means liberation and

[7:15] bhakti means devotion. Here he's

[7:16] suggesting that monks at least are

[7:19] called on to give up even the bhakti. Of

[7:21] course, the bhukti will give up. They

[7:23] will give up seeking for enjoyment, but

[7:25] he's suggesting even seeking after

[7:27] devotion or seeking after liberation is

[7:29] to be given up by the sannyasins. So,

[7:31] it's a very high call that

[7:34] high Swamiji sets the bar very high for

[7:38] his ideal of monasticism, the ideal

[7:40] monastic. To do Number two, to do good

[7:44] to the world, to do good to everyone

[7:47] down to the lowest chandala is our vow.

[7:51] Let whatever comes, liberation or hell.

[7:58] So, this is our vow, he says. This is

[8:00] the vow of the

[8:02] sannyasin of the one who is dedicated to

[8:05] Sri Ramakrishna to to do good to the

[8:07] world to everyone down to the people who

[8:11] are rejected by society. So, if you

[8:13] really think about this, who are the

[8:15] chandalas in America?

[8:18] Mhm?

[8:19] >> Minorities.

[8:21] >> I'm the the chandalas means the people

[8:23] that you don't even want to touch them.

[8:25] Who is it that we don't want to touch?

[8:27] We see them every day when we're walking

[8:28] around in the city.

[8:30] The unhoused, the people living on the

[8:32] streets right outside. They're the

[8:34] chandalas of today here in America.

[8:36] Where we have them. Who are you We don't

[8:38] want to touch them. Right? I don't want

[8:40] to touch them.

[8:41] Swami Vivekananda says, do good to them.

[8:45] Let whatever comes, liberation or hell,

[8:48] to do good to everyone down to the

[8:50] lowest chandala and especially to the

[8:52] lowest chandala would be his

[8:54] his further remark, I think. Three,

[8:56] Ramakrishna Paramahamsa came for the

[8:59] good of the world.

[9:01] Call him a man, God, or an incarnation

[9:04] as you please.

[9:06] Accept him in your own light.

[9:10] This is something Vivekananda comes back

[9:12] to several times in these letters.

[9:15] He never He himself, it is clear from

[9:18] his writings from his letters as well as

[9:20] from the hymns he wrote to Sri

[9:22] Ramakrishna that he considered Sri

[9:23] Ramakrishna to be an avatara, a

[9:26] manifestation of God in human form, an

[9:28] incarnation of God like Jesus, like

[9:30] Buddha, like Rama, like Krishna. Swami

[9:33] Vivekananda considered his guru

[9:36] to be that to be that. However, he also

[9:40] was very clear that this is not to be

[9:42] preached. He did not want this to be

[9:45] emphasized. Let people accept him as

[9:47] they see him. He never

[9:50] This is a an interesting contrast to the

[9:53] Christianity of that time and even to a

[9:55] certain extent today. This idea that uh

[9:58] yes, Jesus is God and you have to

[10:00] believe it and if you don't believe it,

[10:01] you're going to hell forever. So,

[10:03] >> [laughter]

[10:03] >> that's a pretty uh different kind of

[10:05] attitude to the Swami Vivekananda say,

[10:07] "Well, Ramakrishna was God, yes, but uh

[10:10] it doesn't matter. You don't have to

[10:11] believe that. You can look at him You

[10:13] can look at him however you like. You

[10:15] see him in your own light, according to

[10:16] your own understanding."

[10:18] I often think that even to say

[10:20] incarnation of God, it doesn't carry

[10:23] that much meaning to me because

[10:26] do I know God? Have I realized God? Do I

[10:29] know what the word God actually means?

[10:31] Have I touched that infinite reality,

[10:34] that infinite existence, consciousness,

[10:36] bliss? Have I Have I gotten a glimpse of

[10:40] that one by whose will this world has

[10:42] come into manifestation? No. So, then to

[10:45] say incarnation of God, it's big words

[10:47] which really don't have much meaning.

[10:49] So,

[10:51] I for me personally, I I see that Swami

[10:54] Vivekananda saw Sri Ramakrishna as a

[10:56] great world teacher and I look at him

[10:58] like that, as a uh clearly as a

[11:00] who came not just for

[11:03] Calcutta, he came not just for Bengal,

[11:06] he came not just for India. Now, he

[11:08] didn't came not just for Asia, he came

[11:10] for the whole world. That is Swami

[11:11] Vivekananda's

[11:13] uh conviction

[11:14] and uh I like that. A great teacher who

[11:17] came for the good of the world. It

[11:18] doesn't matter what we call him. And he

[11:21] says, this is interesting,

[11:23] "He who will bow before him, one who

[11:25] will bow before him, will be converted

[11:28] into gold that very moment." So, he has

[11:32] this

[11:33] uh deep faith also in the power of Sri

[11:36] Ramakrishna, the the tremendous grace

[11:39] flowing

[11:40] from Sri Ramakrishna. Uh he says uh

[11:44] namaskar korbe. So, this idea actually

[11:46] namaskar we often think of as as just as

[11:49] saluting. One who will who will salute

[11:50] will bow before

[11:52] uh Sri Ramakrishna will be converted

[11:54] into gold that very moment. And then he

[11:57] says,

[11:58] he's telling the boys, as he calls them,

[12:00] "With this message, go from door to

[12:03] door, my boys. With this message." What

[12:05] message?

[12:06] Uh

[12:08] I think the the all four of these

[12:10] points, but especially this Ramakrishna

[12:14] Paramahamsa came for the good of the

[12:15] world and

[12:17] who will bow before him will be

[12:18] converted into gold and to good to the

[12:21] world to do good to the world. He came

[12:23] for the good of the world down to the

[12:26] outcast, down to the lowest in society,

[12:28] down to the uneducated, the ignorant,

[12:30] the hungry, the unhoused, etc.

[12:33] "With this message, go from door to

[12:35] door, my boys, and all your disquiet

[12:38] will vanish."

[12:40] Mhm? He found a lot of restlessness in

[12:43] his brothers, and he said, "That's

[12:45] because you're too much worrying about

[12:47] your own liberation. You're worrying

[12:49] about your own spiritual

[12:51] advancement. You will advance more

[12:53] spiritually if you dedicate your life to

[12:54] serving others. If you dedicate your

[12:56] life to loving the world the way Sri

[12:59] Ramakrishna loves you.

[13:00] That if you can do that, you will forget

[13:04] about your liberation, you will actually

[13:05] attain liberation. You will make more

[13:07] spiritual progress

[13:09] with that attitude than by thinking,

[13:11] 'Oh, I I want liberation. I want

[13:13] liberation. I want liberation.' And uh

[13:16] what do I How should the bell be rung on

[13:18] the left side or on the right side? And

[13:20] all those silly questions."

[13:24] "Do not fear.

[13:25] You do not want anything from this

[13:27] world, then where is the place of fear?

[13:34] So, he's suggesting that the monks, his

[13:36] brother monks, have no desire for

[13:38] anything from the world. They don't

[13:39] expect to get anything from the world.

[13:42] In that case, where is their place for

[13:43] fear? There's a lesson here. Fear comes

[13:46] from, apparently, and here he's

[13:47] suggesting that fear comes from

[13:50] wanting, from expecting something, from

[13:52] some kind of desire.

[13:55] You have so long spread his name and

[13:58] your character all around.

[14:01] Your character or does he mean his

[14:02] character? That's the question.

[14:04] Well and good. Now spread them in an

[14:07] organized way.

[14:08] The Lord is with you, fear not.

[14:14] And just let me look at that.

[14:21] Interesting, it does say your character.

[14:24] Um

[14:27] Checking the Bengali.

[14:28] Uh

[14:30] You have so long spread his name and

[14:33] your character all around. Well and

[14:34] good. Now spread them in an organized

[14:37] way. The Lord is with you, fear not.

[14:43] Swami Vivekananda recognized the power

[14:45] of organization and we can infer that it

[14:48] was his his being in the West that

[14:51] opened his eyes to the power of

[14:53] organization, the power of coming

[14:55] together, working together.

[14:58] Tremendous power in that. Everybody

[15:00] trying to work individually,

[15:03] we end up working against each other.

[15:05] So, the tremendous power of organization

[15:07] and he of course also recognized the

[15:09] defects of organization and he was

[15:11] afraid of those. But he felt finally

[15:13] that

[15:14] it the benefits outweighed the defects.

[15:18] Now, so

[15:19] uh whether I live or die, whether I go

[15:22] back to India or not, you go on

[15:25] spreading. Spread love. Engage Gupta

[15:29] also in this work, but remember one

[15:32] needs sword and shield to overcome

[15:36] others.

[15:39] This is of course

[15:41] one of Sri Ramakrishna's teachings. We

[15:44] find it in the gospel several times that

[15:46] if you want to commit suicide, a a a

[15:49] a nail knife it was a little knife that

[15:52] you used to cut your nails is enough.

[15:54] But if you want to kill others, you need

[15:56] a sword and a shield. Now he's talking

[15:58] of course not about actual killing, not

[16:00] about suicide. Sri Ramakrishna would

[16:02] never advocated for suicide. He's

[16:03] talking about attaining

[16:06] uh

[16:07] spiritual illumination, attaining

[16:08] liberation. For yourself, you just need

[16:12] a little you need intense some intense

[16:14] spiritual practice and you need some uh

[16:16] a little a little knowledge of the

[16:18] scriptures is enough.

[16:20] He used to give the example of the

[16:21] letter a man received a letter from his

[16:23] country home, but he misplaced it. And

[16:25] he searched everywhere for it. He

[16:27] engaged the whole household to find it.

[16:28] Finally, he found it. And the letter

[16:30] said what?

[16:32] Please send five seers of sweet meats

[16:34] and a couple of cloths back home. He

[16:38] read it. What did he do?

[16:41] Threw the letter away. He didn't need it

[16:42] anymore. He knew what it said. So like

[16:44] that, scriptural study, learn what the

[16:46] scriptures say. The scriptures say God

[16:48] is real. God is is in your own heart.

[16:51] God is your own true nature. Realize it.

[16:53] Okay, I don't need it anymore. Now it's

[16:55] time for practice. But

[16:57] for killing others, for bringing

[16:59] illumination to others, it is that is

[17:01] not enough. That for that we need

[17:03] scriptural study

[17:05] also. And so

[17:07] this is uh what he's referring to here.

[17:10] Don't all at the same time don't give up

[17:12] scriptural study.

[17:15] And then he gives a he quotes from the

[17:19] Hitopadesha, which is a connect

[17:21] collection of Sanskrit aphorisms,

[17:24] Sanskrit sayings,

[17:26] uh a big collection, kind of like the

[17:27] proverbs of the Bible, maybe.

[17:30] And this one is "San nimitte varam tyago

[17:34] vinashe niyate sati." What does it mean?

[17:38] "When death is so certain,

[17:41] it is better to die for a good cause."

[17:44] Interesting. Death is certain.

[17:47] Oh, we have our Sanskrit teacher here.

[17:49] I'll read it once more for her.

[17:51] "San nimitte varam tyago vinashe niyate

[17:55] sati." And the translation given here is

[17:58] "When death is so certain,

[18:00] it is better to die for a good cause."

[18:04] That is all. So, he ends the letter

[18:06] there, and then he doesn't end it

[18:07] because he gives a P.S. here.

[18:10] He says, "Remember my previous letter.

[18:12] Both men and women are wanted. There's

[18:17] no distinction of sex in the soul."

[18:20] See,

[18:23] this is

[18:24] wonderful to remember that Swami

[18:25] Vivekananda very much wanted uh

[18:28] the equality of men and women. And he

[18:32] very much wanted a women's monastic

[18:34] organization also to be started. And

[18:37] women monastic the the monks gathered in

[18:41] uh of course, in 1886,

[18:44] uh but it took uh

[18:46] the equivalent organ for the equivalent

[18:49] organization, the sister organization,

[18:50] to be founded, it took into the 1950s.

[18:53] And yet, Swami Vivekananda's even before

[18:56] he wrote down the rules of the order,

[18:58] he's telling them,

[19:00] "Mhm,

[19:00] fire up the women also. They also have

[19:02] to organize. They also have to do this."

[19:09] And in his rules of the order, as I

[19:11] think I've mentioned before, the first

[19:14] very first rule is this much this

[19:16] monastery is established for one's own

[19:18] liberation and for the welfare of the

[19:20] world. And the number rule number two is

[19:23] a sim- an an identical or similar mutt

[19:26] must be established for women. It's the

[19:29] very second rule. And then it took it

[19:31] took them

[19:33] took us, I should say,

[19:35] more than 50 years.

[19:37] But it's

[19:38] actually before we we were ahead of the

[19:40] game here in Hollywood because our

[19:41] convent started before the Sharda Mutt

[19:43] started. So we're ahead of the game

[19:45] here.

[19:46] Remember my previous letter? Both men

[19:48] and women are wanted. There is no

[19:50] distinction of sex in the soul. It won't

[19:53] do merely to call him an incarnation. It

[19:56] won't do merely to say, "Oh, Ramakrishna

[19:57] is an avatar. Ramakrishna avatar."

[20:00] What is needed is the manifestation of

[20:02] Shakti, the manifestation of power. We

[20:04] need to manifest power. And then he asks

[20:07] about the women. "Where are Go- Sri

[20:09] Ramakrishna's disciples? Where are Gour

[20:10] Ma, Yogananda, and Golap Ma?

[20:13] Tell them to spread these ideas.

[20:16] We need thousands of men and women who

[20:19] will spread like wildfire from the

[20:21] Himalayas to Kanyakumari."

[20:23] So in other words, from the very north

[20:24] of India to the very south of India.

[20:26] From the north Then he says, "From the

[20:28] North Pole to the South Pole, all over

[20:30] the world even.

[20:33] All over the world, let them spread.

[20:36] It is not a matter of child's play, nor

[20:39] is there any time for that. Let those

[20:41] who have come for child's play be off

[20:44] now while there is time. Otherwise, they

[20:47] will be in trouble.

[20:48] We want an organization.

[20:51] Set aside laziness and lethargy. Spread

[20:54] Spread Spread like fire in all

[20:57] directions. Do not depend on me, whether

[21:00] I live or die, you go on spreading

[21:03] spreading yourselves.

[21:06] Iti Narendra. He He signs with his just

[21:09] this Iti thus, this this much this this

[21:12] much as it were. Narendra is still

[21:14] signing with his pre-monastic name to

[21:16] his brothers.

[21:17] Mhm. The interesting this I Swami

[21:20] Vivekananda really wanted the message of

[21:23] Vedanta to spread all over the world,

[21:26] all over India, all over the world.

[21:29] And we see how Swami Saradananda, the

[21:31] previous head of our center who left the

[21:33] body in 2012, he also had this I he he

[21:35] took this command of Swami Vivekananda

[21:38] really to heart. He also wanted to

[21:40] spread and

[21:41] thanks in large part to him we have all

[21:44] these

[21:44] we call them sometimes private centers,

[21:46] all these

[21:47] uh small centers in different places in

[21:50] this country

[21:51] without a monk there, without a nun

[21:52] there in most cases, but uh not formally

[21:56] affiliated to the order, but set up in

[21:58] along the same lines, gathering around

[22:01] the teachings of Vedanta, the teachings

[22:02] of Sri Ramakrishna and Swami

[22:04] Vivekananda. So, places like Pittsburgh,

[22:07] Raleigh, mhm

[22:10] uh uh

[22:11] Atlanta,

[22:14] Phoenix, Arizona, Las Vegas,

[22:17] uh etc. There's a there's a quite a

[22:19] number of them, over a dozen.

[22:22] That is wonderful. And Swami Saradananda

[22:24] has a map of the United States on the

[22:26] wall. It's still in Swami Saradananda's

[22:28] room. There's a map of the United States

[22:29] and he had a little push pin on the map

[22:31] for every official center and also a

[22:34] little push pin on the map for every

[22:35] unofficial center. And he wanted that

[22:37] there should be a push pin in every

[22:39] state. So, he he worked for that. Austin

[22:42] Oh, Texas, there are three in there are

[22:43] two in Texas, in Dallas and Austin.

[22:47] Houston is now an official affiliated

[22:49] center, so the Houston center is

[22:52] official and there's two more centers

[22:54] there. So,

[22:56] amazing. Now, we're going to shift

[22:57] gears. It's we are going to get a very

[22:59] personal letter to his American mother,

[23:01] Mrs. Ellen Isabel Hale.

[23:05] And where is she? I'm not sure because

[23:08] he is writing from their home in

[23:10] Chicago.

[23:11] >> [laughter]

[23:11] >> Uh so she is not there

[23:14] evidently.

[23:16] But he's writing to her.

[23:18] 11th June 1894 is the date of the

[23:20] letter. Dear Mother,

[23:22] We are all doing very well here.

[23:24] Last night the sisters invited me and

[23:27] Mrs. Norton and Miss Howe, that is Grace

[23:29] Howe, and Mr. Frank Howe.

[23:32] We had a grand dinner and soft-shell

[23:35] crab and many other things and a very

[23:37] nice time.

[23:38] Miss Howe left this morning.

[23:43] The sisters and Mother Temple are taking

[23:46] very good care of me.

[23:48] Just now I am going to see my Oh my dear

[23:51] Gandhi.

[23:52] He's referring to Virachand Gandhi who

[23:55] was the Jain representative at the

[23:57] Parliament of Religions in 1893. Uh who

[24:01] apparently had a habit of saying very

[24:03] often "Oh my dear. Oh my dear." So

[24:05] Swamiji puts in quotes my "Oh my dear

[24:07] Gandhi."

[24:09] >> [laughter]

[24:10] >> Uh

[24:11] then he mentions Narasimha again.

[24:12] Narasimha was here yesterday. He wanted

[24:15] to go to Cincinnati where he says he has

[24:17] more chances of success than anywhere

[24:19] else in the world.

[24:21] I gave him the passage and so I hope I

[24:25] have got the white elephant out of my

[24:27] hands for the time being.

[24:29] Narasimha was a a loafer, uh a

[24:31] ne'er-do-well. He came obviously from

[24:34] well-to-do background of wealthy

[24:35] background and he just couldn't do

[24:37] anything. He came to the Parliament of

[24:39] Religions. He hung on to Swamiji and he

[24:42] ended up becoming completely broke and

[24:45] begging money from people and begging

[24:47] money also from Swamiji.

[24:49] And

[24:50] on February 14, 1894, this is 11th June

[24:54] 1894, he had written he was stranded in

[24:56] a hotel in Nashville, Tennessee and he

[24:58] had written to Swamiji. Uh

[25:01] Dear Swami, I have come here and without

[25:03] being able to get out I'm stopping and I

[25:04] would be very much obliged if you would

[25:06] kindly send me $50 so that I can fix the

[25:08] whole thing and come over to Chicago

[25:09] from which place I shall go back home to

[25:12] Madras. Please do so at once as I am in

[25:14] trouble hoping to hear from you soon. I

[25:16] remain yours sincerely, Narasimhacharya.

[25:18] And Swamiji had forwarded that letter to

[25:20] Mrs. Hale, which is why we still have

[25:22] it. And it looks like he then he must

[25:24] have given him the money and so he's

[25:26] come to Chicago, but he's not going

[25:27] home. He's now gone to Cincinnati

[25:29] because he says that's the place where I

[25:31] can succeed more likely than any other

[25:32] place in the world. So Swamiji calls him

[25:34] a white elephant. I looked up white

[25:36] elephant. It's quite interesting. We I

[25:37] think we most of us have an

[25:38] understanding of what it means. A

[25:40] possession which costs more to maintain

[25:44] or to keep than it is worth. Something

[25:47] that is really

[25:48] troublesome to its owner. What what is

[25:51] the source of this? Siam. The the

[25:56] former Thailand was formerly known as

[25:58] Siam and in those days there were

[26:01] some elephants with very pale skin.

[26:03] Maybe they're albino white elephant and

[26:05] they were considered very sacred.

[26:08] So they were

[26:10] You couldn't put it to work. Elephants

[26:13] people would would maintain keep them,

[26:14] right? And they would have to feed them

[26:16] and they would put them to work. But a

[26:17] white elephant you have to keep it and

[26:19] you have to feed it, but you can't make

[26:21] it work. So in fact it was even it's

[26:23] even said that the king of Siam would

[26:26] gift a white elephant to one of his

[26:28] courtiers that he didn't like because

[26:31] the white elephant would bring financial

[26:32] ruin.

[26:34] >> [laughter]

[26:35] >> So this is a white elephant. So

[26:36] Narasimhacharya is being called here a

[26:39] white elephant. He's only sucking money

[26:42] out of out of people and and not giving

[26:44] anything in return. So

[26:46] that is Narasimha.

[26:49] How is Father Pope doing now? Hope he

[26:51] has been much benefited by the mud fish

[26:54] business.

[26:56] Uh okay, there uh here it gives the

[26:58] details. Swamiji mailed the letter

[27:01] to Indiana Mineral Springs, Warren

[27:05] County, Indiana, where Mr. and Mrs. Hale

[27:07] were that summer.

[27:09] The Mudlavia Resort in Warren County was

[27:12] renowned for its mud baths and mineral

[27:14] springs.

[27:16] The Hale and McKindley sisters remained

[27:18] at home, the four sisters with whom

[27:19] Swamiji was so close. Under the care of

[27:21] Mrs. Hale Mr. Hale's sister, Mrs. Mary

[27:25] Frances Matthews, whom Swamiji called

[27:27] Mother Temple.

[27:28] He called Mrs. Hale Mother Church.

[27:31] Uh so, um he's giving a little joke

[27:34] about the mud fish business.

[27:36] I had a very beautiful letter from Miss

[27:38] Guernsey of New York giving you her

[27:40] regards. I'm going downtown to buy a new

[27:42] pair of shoes as well as to get some

[27:44] money. My purse having been made empty

[27:47] by Narasimha.

[27:49] Nothing more to write. Yes, we went to

[27:52] see the Charley's Aunt. I nearly killed

[27:55] myself with laughing.

[27:57] Father Pope will enjoy it extremely. I

[27:59] had never seen anything so funny. Yours

[28:02] affectionately, Vivekananda.

[28:05] I think we touched on this last because

[28:07] our previous letter also mentioned

[28:09] Charley's Aunt. It was apparently a

[28:11] hilarious play and I have to tell you

[28:13] that um

[28:16] my elementary school put on this play.

[28:19] And I hardly remember it. I didn't act

[28:21] in it, but I watched it. Remember the

[28:22] thing that was most shocking is that

[28:24] they have some uh the the actors have to

[28:27] kiss each other on the lips uh because

[28:29] it's a romance. So, our our elementary

[28:33] school school students, the eighth

[28:34] graders, one boy and one girl, they had

[28:35] to kiss each other. And so, that's the

[28:37] part I remember most. I was shocked, you

[28:38] know, oh my god, kissing oh my god. That

[28:41] was really shocking to me.

[28:43] Uh but they pulled it off, I guess, more

[28:44] or less. And there was a a line in the

[28:47] in the uh play that kept recurring which

[28:50] was Brazil, you know, where the nuts

[28:53] come from. Referring to I guess nuts,

[28:56] not only

[28:57] you know, the eating nuts, but crazy

[28:59] people.

[29:00] And it's a

[29:02] um

[29:03] it's a

[29:04] it's a complicated thing. There's a

[29:07] a

[29:08] a man who dresses up as a woman to be

[29:11] who becomes Charlie's aunt and all that

[29:13] and of course in the end everybody has a

[29:14] happy ending.

[29:16] But

[29:16] >> Sounds like Mrs. Doubtfire.

[29:18] >> So it was

[29:20] it was apparently

[29:22] Swamiji loved it and Swamiji loved to

[29:24] laugh. He was not a sour guy and for

[29:27] relaxation he would read the

[29:30] humor magazine and just enjoy it and

[29:32] just laugh and laugh and and blow

[29:36] because he was deep inside there was

[29:37] this tremendous

[29:39] wellspring of joy that was bubbling up

[29:41] in the midst of his sorrow in the midst

[29:43] of his also because he also felt so

[29:45] strongly for the suffering of humanity.

[29:49] So in on the one hand his heart bled for

[29:52] the suffering humanity on the other hand

[29:54] there was also at the same time this

[29:56] current of joy in him always.

[29:59] Reminds me of an old Swami

[30:02] I knew Swami Bhadrananda, old English

[30:05] Swami.

[30:06] He was a real character. He was in

[30:09] Trabuco and I had the

[30:11] privilege of serving him during the last

[30:13] year of his life.

[30:14] And one day he was tremendous suffering.

[30:18] And one day

[30:19] he he got into some kind of ecstasy and

[30:23] he started weeping and he said

[30:26] he didn't know how to express it exactly

[30:28] but it's something like amidst all this

[30:30] suffering at the same time this current

[30:33] of bliss.

[30:34] So that's a little

[30:36] hint that's one of the few hints that

[30:38] I've ever received from a from a

[30:41] senior monk about his spiritual

[30:43] experience. So,

[30:49] and he we used to have good fun. We used

[30:50] to laugh and laugh also telling joke He

[30:52] used to have an earthy sense of humor.

[30:55] You know, the kind of British humor. It

[30:58] was

[30:58] sometimes very funny.

[31:00] All right, we're going to have another

[31:02] letter.

[31:03] Any comments or questions by the way

[31:05] thus far?

[31:09] This letter Yes.

[31:10] >> What is Well, it's

[31:12] clearly your part. So, what does it mean

[31:13] to renounce

[31:15] To renounce devotion for a sannyasin?

[31:18] >> Yeah, I don't know. I think Well, what

[31:21] does it mean to renounce devotion?

[31:24] This idea that complete renunciation,

[31:27] not wanting anything, not even devotion.

[31:32] Now, if we look at the monks of the

[31:33] Ramakrishna order, most of them

[31:35] cultivate devotion, the monks and nuns.

[31:38] Most of them cultivate devotion. And and

[31:41] and Swami Vivekananda himself, though he

[31:43] said, "I'm all Jnana on the outside, I'm

[31:45] all Bhakti on the inside." So, we

[31:47] cultivate devotion.

[31:49] This extreme height of

[31:53] tyaga of renunciation in the sense that

[31:56] I don't Why do we want devotion? Well,

[31:58] it feels good, doesn't it? When we feel

[32:00] a little love for God, we feel joy

[32:03] because love and joy are really two

[32:06] sides of the same principle, that

[32:09] principle of oneness manifesting in

[32:12] duality. It's It's that brings us

[32:14] tremendous joy. So, we crave that joy.

[32:17] The The devotee that

[32:19] One on the path of devotion craves that

[32:22] feeling of love. So,

[32:25] in some sense, it could be argued that

[32:27] it's selfish.

[32:28] So, perhaps that's what he's saying

[32:30] here. I can't say for sure.

[32:32] Bhakti, Bhukti, Mukti, everything. But,

[32:36] he does say and in just the previous

[32:37] line he said, "Love the world like

[32:40] that." So, he doesn't say give up love.

[32:42] He He says give up the craving for

[32:45] bhakti, and maybe he in his mind also

[32:47] bhakti is connected with the worship

[32:50] room. And he was very afraid, he would

[32:53] say, of the worship room because he

[32:54] knows the Indian temperament of going on

[32:57] increasing puja and making it more

[32:59] complicated and emphasizing rituals over

[33:02] the essence of religion, which is love,

[33:04] and not just love for God, but love for

[33:07] everyone.

[33:09] So.

[33:12] Oh, another another comment.

[33:14] >> I guess

[33:15] technically during sannyasa don't

[33:18] isn't doesn't the monk give up like the

[33:20] Gayatri mantra and all the way the

[33:22] bhakti, so to speak. So, is he referring

[33:24] to that maybe also?

[33:26] >> Could be. Could be, yes. The Gayatri

[33:28] mantra is given up and the

[33:31] um

[33:32] the desire for any kind of enjoyment.

[33:35] That line perfectly expresses it in the

[33:39] song of the sannyasin, the the final

[33:41] uh

[33:42] vow of the sannyasin,

[33:44] uh which can't be translated, of course,

[33:46] but say peace to all. From me no danger

[33:49] be to all that lives. In those that

[33:52] dwell on high, in those that lowly

[33:54] creep, I am the self in all. All life,

[33:58] both here and there do I renounce. All

[34:01] heavens and earths and hells. All hopes

[34:05] and fears.

[34:07] That line That verse particularly

[34:09] Swamiji put in the uh the

[34:11] the

[34:13] sannyasin verses, the sannyasin

[34:16] vrata, you can say.

[34:17] All right, we're going to have a letter

[34:19] now to Professor John Henry Wright. Of

[34:22] course, we remember John Henry Wright

[34:24] was

[34:25] his ticket, as it were, to the

[34:27] Parliament of Religions. He had didn't

[34:28] have any credentials. He came to

[34:30] Chicago. The Parliament wasn't starting

[34:33] yet, but

[34:34] they also told him, "Well, you don't

[34:35] have any credentials. Who are you?" And

[34:37] he So, he came, he ended up going to

[34:39] Massachusetts. Uh

[34:41] Kate Tannahill Woods introduced him to

[34:42] her friend John Henry Wright, who was a

[34:44] Harvard professor, and meeting him he

[34:46] was like, "To ask you for credentials is

[34:48] like asking the sun for its credentials

[34:50] to shine to shine asking the sun for its

[34:52] right to shine." And he wrote to the

[34:54] parliament said this man is more learned

[34:56] than all our professors put together,

[34:57] etc. etc. So, he was a very close friend

[34:59] and a supporter of Swamiji.

[35:04] So, this is he's writing from Chicago

[35:06] again, 18th June 1894. Dear Adhyapakji,

[35:10] Adhyapak means something like professor.

[35:12] He is a Sanskrit word.

[35:14] Excuse my delay in sending the other

[35:16] letters. I could not find them earlier.

[35:19] I'm going to New York in a week. He was

[35:22] very concerned that Professor Wright

[35:24] should be reassured that he is a genuine

[35:26] Sannyasin because the

[35:30] critics, the missionaries, and his

[35:33] Indian critics were spreading the

[35:35] teaching the spreading the the gossip

[35:37] the false gossip that's that Swami

[35:39] Vivekananda was not a genuine Sannyasin.

[35:41] He was just Narendra Nath Datta and he

[35:44] he put on the garb of Sannyasin for

[35:48] false reasons and

[35:50] uh he's not living up to the vows of a

[35:52] Sannyasin and all that stuff. And so, he

[35:55] wanted

[35:56] he didn't Swami Vivekananda never

[35:58] defended himself publicly.

[36:01] But at least to some of his close

[36:03] supporters, he wanted them to be

[36:04] reassured. So, he did send some letters

[36:07] that had come

[36:08] uh

[36:09] which affirmed his

[36:12] um

[36:13] bonafides.

[36:15] I do not know whether I will come to

[36:17] Annisquam or not.

[36:19] The letters need not be sent over to me

[36:21] until I write you again.

[36:23] Mrs. Bagley seems to be unsettled by

[36:25] that article in the Boston paper against

[36:28] me. She sent me over a copy from Detroit

[36:30] and has ceased correspondence with me.

[36:33] Lord bless her. She has been very kind

[36:35] to me. So, here we hear

[36:38] a kind of a grief here because he thinks

[36:40] that Mrs. Bagley, Mrs. Francis Elizabeth

[36:43] Newbury Bagley from Detroit uh

[36:46] lost faith in Swamiji. But,

[36:49] she didn't.

[36:50] And it was a brief It was a brief uh

[36:52] pause in correspondence. And here is

[36:55] quoted uh

[36:57] this whole matter is is indicated in the

[37:00] footnotes. And uh this is the thing. The

[37:03] Boston Daily Advertiser, one of the

[37:05] newspapers, on 16 May 1894 ran an

[37:08] article titled A Prophet from India

[37:12] quoting from

[37:13] the

[37:14] Unity and the Minister of Calcutta, the

[37:17] official organ of the Brahmo Samaj led

[37:19] by Mr. Mazoomdar, and from another two

[37:21] Christian newspapers, all of which

[37:23] attempted to undermine Swamiji's

[37:25] credibility. We know how Mazoomdar was

[37:27] spreading lies about Swamiji.

[37:29] Um

[37:30] And some Americans wrote to the editor

[37:33] in defense of Swamiji. And that appeared

[37:36] uh in on the next day, on 17th May.

[37:39] Uh

[37:39] Letters to the editor, Vivekananda.

[37:42] And

[37:44] um

[37:50] So, some people uh the the the quotation

[37:53] that appeared in your paper about Swami

[37:54] Vivekananda that may mislead the public

[37:56] was that quote. But, um

[38:01] Mrs. Bagley wrote to a friend

[38:04] on 22nd June 1894 in eloquent defense of

[38:08] Swamiji uh from Annisquam. And here is a

[38:11] part of her letter. You write of my dear

[38:13] friend Vivekananda.

[38:15] I am glad of an opportunity to express

[38:17] my admiration of his character.

[38:20] He has given us in America higher

[38:22] ideals, ideas of life than we have ever

[38:25] had before.

[38:27] He has been a revelation to Christians.

[38:29] He has made possible for us all a

[38:32] diviner and more noble practical life.

[38:35] As a religious teacher and an example to

[38:38] all, I do not know of his equal.

[38:41] He has been a guest in my house more

[38:43] than 3 weeks and my sons as well as my

[38:45] son-in-law and my entire family found

[38:48] Swami Vivekananda a gentleman always,

[38:51] most courteous and polite, a charming

[38:53] companion and ever welcome guest.

[38:56] I have invited him to visit us at my

[38:58] summer home here at Annisquam and in my

[39:01] family he will always be honored and

[39:03] welcomed.

[39:05] I am really sorry for those who say a

[39:07] light against him.

[39:09] He is a strong, noble human being, one

[39:12] who walks with God. He is as simple and

[39:14] trustful as a child. He does not

[39:17] antagonize but lifts people up to a

[39:19] higher level.

[39:20] They see something beyond man-made

[39:23] creeds and denominational names and they

[39:26] feel one with him in their religious

[39:28] beliefs.

[39:30] Every human being would be made better

[39:32] by knowing him and living in the same

[39:34] house with him.

[39:36] I want everyone in America to know

[39:38] Vivekananda and if India has more such,

[39:41] let her send them to us.

[39:45] Yeah, alas, such a such a one is very

[39:48] rare.

[39:50] But

[39:51] that is a beautiful praise of Mrs.

[39:54] Bagley about Vivekananda.

[39:56] So, the letter to Professor Wright

[39:58] continues.

[40:00] Very touching how he talks with his his

[40:03] friend. Stout hearts like yours are not

[40:05] common, my brother.

[40:07] This is a queer place, this world of

[40:09] ours.

[40:11] On the whole, I am very very thankful to

[40:14] the Lord for the amount of kindness I

[40:16] have received at the hands of the people

[40:18] of this country. I, a complete stranger

[40:21] here, without even credentials, {quote}

[40:24] {unquote}.

[40:26] Everything works for the best. Yours

[40:28] ever in gratitude, Vivekananda.

[40:31] So, he's referring credentials

[40:33] specifically because he because it was

[40:35] John Henry Wright who said you don't

[40:36] need credentials and then wrote for him

[40:38] all of that.

[40:40] P.S. The East India stamps are for your

[40:42] children if they like. So, he must have

[40:44] from some of the letters that he

[40:45] received from India, he tore off the

[40:47] stamps and put them in his

[40:50] letter to

[40:51] Professor Wright for his kids.

[40:54] When are you going to Annisquam? My love

[40:56] to Austin and Bessie. My respects to

[40:58] your wife. And for you, my love and

[41:02] gratitude is too deep for expression.

[41:05] Yours ever affectionately, Vivekananda.

[41:10] They had three children, Elizabeth or

[41:12] Bessie,

[41:13] who was 14, Austin was 11, and

[41:16] John, the baby, who was just three. And

[41:18] Bessie, Elizabeth, would die in in in a

[41:21] year. In in about two years, she was she

[41:24] died. And Swamiji's letter of condolence

[41:27] to Professor Wright is also very

[41:28] touching. That comes later.

[41:31] So, we'll carry on. This next letter is

[41:34] written to India, but in English. So, we

[41:36] have his original words.

[41:38] Uh

[41:39] first letter, I forgot to mention it was

[41:41] translated from Bengali.

[41:43] Um

[41:44] He's writing to Dewan Haridas Viharidas

[41:46] Desai.

[41:47] He was uh

[41:49] a De- a Dewan is some kind of government

[41:52] official.

[41:53] And

[41:55] uh there's a footnote about him, so I'm

[41:56] just going to remember what that is. He

[41:59] served as a Dewan of Junagadh state in

[42:01] Gujarat. He was a devout individual and

[42:04] an exceptional administrator who

[42:06] implemented significant reforms across

[42:08] all departments of the state within a

[42:10] decade.

[42:11] And Swami Vivekananda, after he died in

[42:15] the August of 1895. He was uh

[42:19] 23 years older than Swamiji. Swamiji

[42:22] wrote at that time, he was like a father

[42:24] to me. He was a father to me. So,

[42:26] Swamiji loved him, respected him like a

[42:28] father.

[42:29] So, he's writing on the 20th June

[42:31] 1894, 2 days after the last letter. Dear

[42:34] Dewanji Saheb,

[42:36] Your very kind note came today.

[42:38] I am so so sorry that I could have

[42:40] caused pain to such a noble heart as

[42:43] yours with my rash and strong words.

[42:48] Probably he was referring to the

[42:49] previous letter that Swamiji wrote to

[42:52] him.

[42:54] Uh a couple of months before.

[42:57] I bow down to your mild corrections.

[43:00] Quote, "Thy son am I, teach me thus

[43:03] bowing."

[43:05] Then he puts dash, Gita. He is referring

[43:08] to a chapter uh

[43:10] two where

[43:12] Arjuna tells Sri Krishna Shishyas

[43:15] teham shadhimam tam prapannam. I am your

[43:18] shishya, son or disciple, of course. Uh

[43:21] but he's saying, "Thy son am I, teach me

[43:24] thus bowing."

[43:25] from the Gita. But you well know,

[43:27] Dewanji Saheb, it was my love that

[43:29] prompted me to to say so.

[43:32] The backbiters, I must tell you, have

[43:34] not indirectly benefited me. Perhaps

[43:36] Dewanji was asking the the back all the

[43:38] problems Swamiji said. He's going to

[43:40] reveal more of his struggle in this

[43:43] letter.

[43:44] On the other hand,

[43:45] they have injured me immensely in the

[43:47] face of the fact that our Hindu people

[43:49] did not move a finger to tell the

[43:51] Americans that I represented them.

[43:54] Had our people sent some words thanking

[43:56] the American people for their kindness

[43:57] to me and stating that I was

[43:59] representing them,

[44:01] Mr. Mazoomdar and a man called Nagarkar

[44:04] from Bombay and a Christian girl called

[44:06] Sorabji, referring to Jeane Sorabji from

[44:09] Poona, have been telling the American

[44:10] people that I have donned the sannyasi's

[44:12] garb only in America, and that I was a

[44:14] cheat bare and simple.

[44:17] Uh now, Swamiji didn't know that

[44:20] already meetings were held in his

[44:22] defense, and shortly he would get the

[44:24] news of these

[44:26] meetings, and so he would have this

[44:28] tremendous relief.

[44:30] Uh but for the time being, he's still in

[44:32] the dark about that, and so he is

[44:34] expressing some of his frustration

[44:36] privately, never publicly, but

[44:37] privately.

[44:42] Now, so far as reception goes, it has no

[44:44] effect on the American nation. But so

[44:47] far as helping me with funds goes, it

[44:50] has a terrible effect in making them

[44:52] take off their helping hands off me.

[44:55] And it is 1 year since I've been here,

[44:57] and not one man of note from India has

[45:00] thought it fit to make the Americans

[45:01] know that I am no cheat.

[45:03] Then again, the missionaries are always

[45:05] seeking for something against me, and

[45:07] they're busy picking up anything said

[45:09] against me by the Christian papers of

[45:11] India, and publishing it here.

[45:14] Now, you must know that the people here

[45:16] know very little of the distinction in

[45:17] India between the Christian and the

[45:19] Hindu.

[45:21] So, this is anyhow, this is the struggle

[45:25] that Swamiji faced. We forget this part

[45:27] of of how

[45:29] uh we think of him, I at least I often

[45:31] think of spreading the gospel of

[45:32] Vedanta, but he also had to fight

[45:34] against tremendous odds, yet against it

[45:36] strong headwinds, all this kind of

[45:38] negative backbiting and and uh spreading

[45:41] of lies about him.

[45:43] And even assassination attempts, you

[45:45] know, the the attempt in Detroit where

[45:47] he was handed a cup of coffee,

[45:50] and

[45:51] he had a vision of Sri Ramakrishna who

[45:53] said, "It's poisoned. Don't drink it."

[45:56] So, Sri Ramakrishna was protecting him

[45:59] uh

[45:59] all along, and there was actually an

[46:02] attempt on his life.

[46:05] Primarily, my coming here has been to

[46:07] raise funds for an enterprise of my own.

[46:10] Let me tell it all to you again.

[46:13] So, Swamiji seems like he still has this

[46:15] idea that one of the main reasons for

[46:17] his coming to America was to raise

[46:19] funds. We know that afterwards he

[46:21] realized that it was much more than

[46:23] that, that he

[46:24] as Buddha had a message for the East, he

[46:26] had a message for the West, and he

[46:29] he began teaching in New York to small

[46:31] group of disciples and Thousand Island

[46:34] Park and all that until he realized that

[46:36] part of the part of his mission was to

[46:39] bring the teachings of Vedanta to the

[46:41] West. But always his heart also was

[46:44] there for India and he did send a lot of

[46:47] money to India for the work there.

[46:50] The whole difference and now he's going

[46:51] to go into a discussion of the

[46:53] difference between the East and the West

[46:54] and how education is the crying need of

[46:58] India.

[47:00] Primarily, my The whole difference

[47:02] between the West and the East is in

[47:03] this.

[47:04] They are nations. We are not. That is,

[47:08] civilization, education here is general.

[47:12] It penetrates into the masses.

[47:15] The higher classes in India and America

[47:17] are the same. But the distance is

[47:19] infinite between the lower classes of

[47:21] the two countries.

[47:24] It's really hard to imagine what things

[47:26] were like

[47:27] 150 years ago

[47:29] or 130 years ago. Um

[47:33] But in India, as I understand it,

[47:35] illiteracy was still very widespread in

[47:38] in those days. Uh

[47:41] Even now, there is illiteracy, but and

[47:43] even in America, there is illiteracy,

[47:45] but

[47:46] to be able to read, just be able to pick

[47:48] up a book and read and understand,

[47:50] that's a tremendous

[47:53] a power comes with that. And

[47:56] when the majority of people are unable

[47:59] to read, then how is

[48:01] society going to move forward?

[48:05] Why was it so easy for the English to

[48:07] conquer India? It It was because they

[48:10] are a nation, we are not.

[48:13] When one of our great men dies, we must

[48:15] sit for centuries to have another.

[48:17] They can produce them as fast as they

[48:19] die.

[48:20] When our Dewanji Saheb will pass away,

[48:22] which the Lord may delay long for the

[48:24] good of my country, the nation will see

[48:26] the difficulty at once of filling his

[48:28] place, which is seen even now.

[48:31] Why can they not dispense with your

[48:33] services? Probably he wanted to retire.

[48:36] It is the dearth of great ones. Why

[48:38] [snorts] so? Because they have such a

[48:40] bigger field of recruiting their great

[48:42] ones. We have so small.

[48:45] A nation of 300 million has the smallest

[48:48] field of recruiting its great ones

[48:50] compared with nations of 30, 40, or 60

[48:52] million because the number of educated

[48:55] men and women in those nations is so, so

[48:57] great.

[48:59] Now, do not mistake me, my kind friend.

[49:01] This is the great defect in our nation

[49:04] and must be removed. Underline.

[49:09] To That's why he charged our monks also

[49:12] with

[49:13] starting so many educational

[49:15] institutions and why still that's one of

[49:17] our main areas of work.

[49:20] To educate and raise the masses and thus

[49:23] alone a nation is possible.

[49:27] Our reformers do not see where the wound

[49:29] is. They want to save the nation by

[49:31] marrying the widows.

[49:33] Do you think that a nation is saved by

[49:35] the number of husbands its widows get?

[49:38] >> [laughter]

[49:39] >> Nor is our religion to blame, nor does

[49:42] an idol more or less make much

[49:45] difference. He's looking at the

[49:47] reformers who were addressing such

[49:48] things as

[49:50] widow remarriage because the widows of

[49:52] the higher classes weren't aren't were

[49:53] not permitted to remarry in those days

[49:56] and even now oftentimes there's still a

[49:59] stigma attached to that. And [snorts]

[50:01] uh

[50:02] uh

[50:03] idol worship, there was a lot of

[50:05] fomenting against idol worship. Swamiji

[50:07] says, "This is not the problem. The

[50:09] problem is lack of education. The whole

[50:11] defect is here. The real nation who live

[50:14] in cottages have forgotten their

[50:16] manhood, their individuality.

[50:19] Trodden under the feet of Hindus,

[50:21] Muslims, or Christians, they have come

[50:23] to think that they are born to be

[50:25] trodden under the foot of everybody who

[50:27] has money enough in his pocket.

[50:29] They are to be given back their lost

[50:31] individuality."

[50:33] Underlined. They are to be given back

[50:35] their lost individuality. They are to be

[50:38] educated.

[50:39] Whether idols will remain or not,

[50:41] whether widows will have husbands enough

[50:43] or not, whether caste is good or bad, I

[50:46] do not bother myself with such

[50:47] questions.

[50:49] Everyone must work out his own

[50:51] salvation. Our duty is to put the

[50:54] chemicals together. The crystallization

[50:57] will come through God's laws.

[50:59] Let us put ideas into their heads and

[51:02] they will do the rest. Now, this means

[51:05] educating the masses.

[51:08] Beautiful. In the in the rules of the

[51:10] order, he also says

[51:12] that the monks of the order will not

[51:13] trouble themselves with social problems

[51:15] because they're surface. They're they're

[51:18] effects of root root causes and the root

[51:21] causes are lack of education and lack of

[51:24] spirituality. These are the root causes

[51:27] of all the problems we see even in us in

[51:31] America today. We can say that these

[51:33] probably would be the root causes, lack

[51:35] of true spirituality, lack of proper

[51:37] education of of of of a a mind able to

[51:41] think

[51:42] deeply, see clearly, and not get swayed

[51:45] by emotional

[51:46] rants and all that and social media and

[51:48] all that.

[51:50] So, he didn't want to address the

[51:53] surface problems. So, here we have our

[51:55] own own fermentations now for various

[52:00] diff- for and against various things in

[52:02] this country. Swami would you say?

[52:04] Feed the tree at the root. Water the

[52:06] tree at the root. That is how then all

[52:09] these things will take care of

[52:10] themselves.

[52:13] Here are the difficulties. Here are

[52:15] these difficulties, he says. One, a

[52:17] pauper government cannot, will not do

[52:20] anything. So, no help from that quarter.

[52:23] Two, even if supposing we are in a

[52:26] position to open schools in each village

[52:29] free, still the poor boys would better

[52:32] go to the plow to earn their living

[52:33] rather than come to your school.

[52:35] We have neither the money, nor can we

[52:38] make them come to education. The problem

[52:40] seems hopeless.

[52:42] And then it was I believe at Kanyakumari

[52:45] when Swami Ji was meditating there that

[52:46] he had this epiphany how to make it

[52:49] happen. He says, "I have found a way

[52:50] out. It is this.

[52:53] If the mountain does not come to

[52:54] Muhammad, Muhammad must go to the

[52:56] mountain.

[52:57] If the poor cannot come to education,

[53:00] education must reach them at the plow,

[53:03] in the factory, everywhere.

[53:05] How?

[53:07] You have seen my brethren. Now, I can

[53:09] get hundreds of such all over India,

[53:11] unselfish, good, and educated. Let these

[53:14] men go from village to village bringing

[53:17] not only religion to the door of

[53:19] everyone, but education.

[53:22] So, I have a nucleus of organizing the

[53:24] widows also as instructors to our women.

[53:29] So, traditionally monks would wander

[53:32] from village to village staying in one

[53:34] place for no more than 3 days except

[53:36] during the rainy season begging their

[53:37] food from door to door and in exch- in a

[53:40] a of exchange though there's no

[53:42] requirement, but a kind of

[53:43] uh

[53:44] mutual reciprocity, they would bring

[53:48] spirituality, bring some spiritual

[53:50] teachings, bring some blessings,

[53:52] uh and so that householders in India

[53:55] would support the monks. Uh

[53:58] at least this much.

[54:00] Uh a little food. And they would beg

[54:03] food from various houses, so they won't

[54:05] cause too much difficulty in any one

[54:07] home. Little food here, little food

[54:08] there, but by

[54:10] going to four or five houses, one gets

[54:12] enough to eat.

[54:13] Uh [snorts] Swamiji says, "That's not

[54:15] enough. Little spirituality." Yes. Also,

[54:18] because they're educated, at least the

[54:21] monks of uh his his brother monks,

[54:23] they're educated. Bring also some

[54:26] practical education. So, he he would

[54:28] say, "Bring a Bring a slide projector,"

[54:31] which was called a camera in those days.

[54:32] So, he here he says, "Now, suppose the

[54:34] villagers, after the day's work, have

[54:36] come to their village and sitting under

[54:37] a tree or somewhere are smoking and

[54:39] talking the time away.

[54:41] Suppose two of these educated sannyasins

[54:43] get a hold of them there. And with a

[54:45] camera, means a slide projector, means

[54:47] with a

[54:48] uh of course a lantern, a kerosene

[54:51] lantern, and in front of that a a a

[54:54] some kind of a slide and then a lens and

[54:56] project the image on a sheet.

[54:59] Uh

[54:59] And with a camera, throw astronomical or

[55:02] other pictures, scenes from different

[55:03] nations, histories, et cetera. Thus,

[55:06] with globes, maps, et cetera, and all

[55:08] this orally.

[55:10] How much can be done in that way,

[55:12] Dewanji?

[55:13] It is not that the eye is the only door

[55:15] of knowledge. The ear can do all the

[55:18] same. So, they would have ideas and

[55:20] morality and hope for better.

[55:22] Here our work ends. Let them do the

[55:26] rest.

[55:27] What would make the sannyasins make the

[55:28] sacrifice, undertake such a task?

[55:31] Religious enthusiasm.

[55:33] Every new religious wave requires a new

[55:36] center. The old religion can only be

[55:39] revivified by a new center.

[55:44] Okay, I think it's it's clear, no? I'm

[55:46] reminded of when I served in our school

[55:49] in Narottam Nagar in India.

[55:52] And Narottam Nagar is it's a remote

[55:54] place in what's called a tribal area

[55:56] where there are indigenous peoples, kind

[55:58] of like Native Americans in America,

[56:00] indigenous peoples living there

[56:02] often with their own religious

[56:04] traditions and the in the villages the

[56:07] people the mostly they are unclad. They

[56:10] men and women both they have just a

[56:11] little cloth covering the their privates

[56:14] and that's it. Cold winter and summer

[56:16] and uh

[56:18] a amazing kind of

[56:20] uh simple life

[56:22] gather hunting and gathering and a

[56:24] little farming and things like that.

[56:26] Uh and it was a

[56:28] considered a very good school, but I was

[56:30] very surprised coming from the rich

[56:31] America to enter one of the classrooms

[56:34] there.

[56:35] And the classroom had uh benches for the

[56:38] students with both benches to sit on and

[56:41] the and the bench as a kind of a desk,

[56:43] row of benches

[56:45] and a chalkboard

[56:47] and a fan on the ceiling

[56:49] and a desk for the teacher

[56:51] and a dustbin.

[56:54] That's it.

[56:56] Nothing else.

[56:57] Now, we who have been educated in this

[56:58] country know that a classroom in a

[57:00] school has tons of stuff. There are maps

[57:02] on the walls, there there there there's

[57:05] there's a an aquarium with some rats in

[57:08] it or something or or there's a

[57:10] terrarium there's plants growing there

[57:12] the teachers will bring there's the

[57:13] classroom is full of stuff, full of

[57:15] teaching aids.

[57:17] Nothing.

[57:18] Books, it was all books. And yes, they

[57:20] they they were learning, but

[57:23] I was stunned to see the difference in

[57:25] the in the that you know they still

[57:28] because

[57:29] all those things cost.

[57:31] So the the love, the the tremendous

[57:35] wealth of the West was really brought

[57:37] home to me living in India for 6 years.

[57:39] Tremendous wealth here, tremendous.

[57:42] Just a street light, how many

[57:44] 10,000 of dollars probably a traffic

[57:46] light costs to install.

[57:49] And we have them everywhere.

[57:51] Now, why there are not too many traffic

[57:52] lights in India? Well, how come how much

[57:54] do they cost?

[57:59] Okay, let's just read a little more. We

[58:01] won't finish this letter, but there's

[58:02] this this powerful

[58:04] um

[58:05] Hang your dogmas or doctrines, they

[58:07] never pay.

[58:09] It is a character, a life, a center, a

[58:12] god-man that must lead the way. That

[58:15] must be the center around which all the

[58:17] other elements will gather themselves

[58:19] and then fall like a tidal wave upon

[58:21] society carrying all before it, washing

[58:24] away all impurities.

[58:27] Again, a piece of wood can only easily

[58:29] be cut along the grains.

[58:32] So, the old Hinduism can only be

[58:34] reformed through Hinduism and not

[58:37] through the newfangled reform movements.

[58:39] At the same time, the reformers must be

[58:41] able to unite in themselves the culture

[58:44] of both the East and the West.

[58:48] Now,

[58:49] do you not think that you have already

[58:50] seen the nucleus of such a great

[58:52] movement? That do you have heard the low

[58:54] rumblings of the coming tidal wave?

[58:57] That center,

[58:58] that god-man to lead, was born in India.

[59:02] He was the great Ramakrishna Paramahamsa

[59:04] and round him this band is slowly

[59:07] gathering.

[59:08] They will do the work.

[59:12] Okay, so that's where that's where we'll

[59:13] leave it, I think, today. Um

[59:15] but tremendous uh faith Sri Ramakrishna

[59:18] had, he could see how Sri Ramakrishna's

[59:20] advent was not just to have to grant uh

[59:25] spirituality to a few of his disciples,

[59:28] but he set in motion a a movement. He

[59:31] was like tidal wave and Swamiji speaks

[59:33] of of this tidal wave of spirituality,

[59:35] tidal wave of reform coming from within

[59:38] Hinduism, but reforming Hinduism and not

[59:41] stopping at the borders of India, but

[59:43] going all over the world, coming to the

[59:45] shores of America, washing all over

[59:48] America. Today, we had

[59:51] at our lunch table

[59:52] a couple from

[59:55] Russia.

[59:56] They uh uh particularly the the husband,

[59:59] I believe, uh is a uh fan of Vedanta. He

[1:00:03] studies Vedanta only He lives in a

[1:00:05] remote village in the middle of not

[1:00:07] village, but a a a

[1:00:08] a fairly remote city or small city in

[1:00:11] the middle of Russia, a thousand miles

[1:00:14] from Moscow. He though he said it's not

[1:00:16] that cold, it's not Siberia. And he is

[1:00:19] actually Muslim originally. And uh so

[1:00:22] it's an area where it's about 50%

[1:00:23] Muslim, 50% Christian. And he's been

[1:00:25] totally turned on by Vedanta. And he

[1:00:27] started with Nisargadatta Maharaj. And

[1:00:29] now he watches lots of videos of who?

[1:00:32] >> YouTube guru.

[1:00:34] >> Huh? They're our YouTube guru, Swami

[1:00:36] Sarvapriyananda. So he's watching those.

[1:00:38] And he's just visiting America and he

[1:00:40] didn't know about the Vedanta Society

[1:00:41] here. And he's walking around and

[1:00:43] suddenly he sees Vedanta Place. He's

[1:00:45] like Vedanta Terrace. He's like Vedanta

[1:00:47] Terrace, what's this? He sees Vedanta

[1:00:49] Place, he sees a temple. He shows So he

[1:00:52] comes here, he stumbles on the place.

[1:00:54] And so Swami Sarvapriyananda invited him

[1:00:55] for lunch and we had a nice chat at

[1:00:57] lunch. So the teachings of Vedanta are

[1:00:59] reaching into this remote cities in

[1:01:02] Russia and

[1:01:04] China and everywhere, everywhere in the

[1:01:06] world. It's that That's why Swamiji

[1:01:07] called it a tidal wave. It's It's going

[1:01:09] across the whole world.

[1:01:12] And he's he points out that for such a

[1:01:15] movement to take off, there has to be a

[1:01:16] center. There has to be some nucleus

[1:01:18] which is the driving force of it. And

[1:01:20] he's he says, "This is Ramakrishna.

[1:01:23] Ramakrishna is the center around which

[1:01:26] the this organization is forming. The he

[1:01:29] is the actually the power behind this

[1:01:31] transformation, this world movement

[1:01:33] which is uh

[1:01:35] crossing the world." So,

[1:01:37] with that, any last comments or

[1:01:39] questions?

[1:01:41] We thank the people who have joined us

[1:01:43] online.

[1:01:44] Uh

[1:01:45] there are 26 of you according to

[1:01:47] YouTube.

[1:01:48] Uh greetings to you as well.

[1:01:50] >> Uh I like the uh that Hinduism has to be

[1:01:53] reformed by Hinduism. That that that was

[1:01:55] a one wonderful concept.

[1:01:57] >> Yeah.

[1:01:58] >> Swamiji always was like that and he

[1:02:01] he would

[1:02:03] of That's why also he would say the

[1:02:05] Christian is not to become a Hindu and

[1:02:07] the Hindu not to become a Christian, but

[1:02:08] by learning from each other, both will

[1:02:10] become better. The Hindu will become a

[1:02:12] better Hindu and the Christian a better

[1:02:13] Christian.

[1:02:14] Of course, that he also allows for a few

[1:02:16] of us to

[1:02:17] >> Yes.

[1:02:17] >> come on over and become Hindu.

[1:02:19] >> [laughter]

[1:02:21] >> Thank God.

[1:02:24] Okay.

[1:02:25] Um I will ask us to just sit quietly for

[1:02:28] a couple of minutes, a minute maybe just

[1:02:30] a minute or so, just to sit in silence

[1:02:32] together and reflect on the beautiful

[1:02:34] teachings we've received.

[1:04:34] >> To him

[1:04:35] we bow down who was ever

[1:04:38] merged in the supreme truth but by the

[1:04:42] command of Sri Ramakrishna came here to

[1:04:45] establish Dharma, to spread the

[1:04:47] teachings.

[1:05:07] Thanks so much for joining me and uh

[1:05:09] giving me the opportunity to

[1:05:11] dive into this with all of you.

[1:05:14] Beautiful and inspiring.

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The new edition is published in four volumes, with all known letters arranged in chronological order and restored as closely as possible to their original form. Mahayogananda notes that the older complete works had edited out material, sometimes because it concerned living people or because editors found it uninteresting, but that such details matter to students who want to know where Vivekananda was and what he was doing.
In the talk, Swami Mahayogananda explains a chandala as someone you do not want to touch. He applies Vivekananda's vow to do good even to the lowest chandala to people in America today, especially the unhoused people living on the streets of cities.
Bhakti means devotion, bhukti means enjoyment, and mukti means liberation. Mahayogananda reads the letter as saying that sannyasins have renounced all three, and that even the pursuit of devotion and liberation must be set aside by monks.
According to Mahayogananda, Vivekananda believed Ramakrishna was an avatara, a manifestation of God in human form, but he did not want this doctrine preached or forced on others. Each person was free to accept Ramakrishna as they understood him, which the speaker contrasts with a more rigid insistence on belief in some Christian teaching of that time and today.
Mahashaya is a respectful term of address the disciples used often in the Gospel for Sri Ramakrishna. Mahayogananda says it is sometimes translated as 'sir' but that the translation loses its affectionate and revered quality. He adds that Ramakrishna would not bear being called father, Baba, Karta, master, or Guru, though he accepted being called Thakur.
Mahayogananda says the paper volumes are costly in America because they are shipped from India, while the ebook was about $10 and was money well spent for him. He also notes that an ebook can be searched, which helps when looking for a specific passage.
Mahayogananda suggests reading slowly, following the letters in chronological order, and paying attention to the practical instructions alongside the philosophy. He treats details about Vivekananda's friends, travels, and disagreements as meaningful parts of how his teaching was lived.

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