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The Miracle of Peeling Potatoes: Zen's Case Against Magic

HZ
Hardcore Zen
Nov 3, 2026
9 min di lettura

Da Hardcore Zen

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A meme has been making the rounds on Instagram, and Brad Warner, the author and longtime Zen teacher behind the Hardcore Zen channel, found it useful enough to build a full video around. On the left, it shows a Vajrayana meditator surrounded by two astonished onlookers, his face framed by what looks like blood running from his eyes. The caption says he cultivated his inner fire through tummo and can now control his body temperature and withstand extreme cold. On the right, under the word "Zen," sits a potato and a potato peeler, captioned "peel potato." In a little over twenty-five minutes, Warner argues that the joke is not really about two Buddhist lineages. It is about the gap between what people admire as meditative attainment and what the Zen school has historically considered worth pursuing at all.

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What is the meme actually saying about Zen and Vajrayana?

Warner describes the image for listeners who can't see it, and he is careful to note that whoever made the meme was drawing a contrast between Vajrayana and Zen specifically. He then widens the frame. The joke, as he reads it, is a sharp summary of how most people imagine "great meditative attainment": a body that defies the cold, a mind that produces visible wonders, a practitioner who looks like he has crossed into another register of reality. Zen's answer, by comparison, is almost comically mundane. You peel the potato.

That contrast is the spine of the video, and it is worth sitting with. Warner is not dismissing Tibetan practice or pretending that heat yoga is fraudulent. He is pointing at a different measure of success. For a Zen practitioner, the question is not whether the body can be made to do extraordinary things. The question is whether attention can settle into ordinary work and stay there. The potato stands in for every task that doesn't look miraculous from the outside, which is nearly all of them.

Warner also notes that he had already covered similar ground in a February 2025 video, "cultivating no, developing paranormal powers." He says he may adapt the material into a book chapter someday. That history matters, because this video is less a fresh argument than a return to a question he has been living with for decades.

Why are "enlightenment bros" suddenly everywhere?

The more immediate prompt for the video is a trend Warner has been noticing. He describes a recurring type he has come to call "enlightenment bros": usually men in their thirties or early forties, often drawing on the Advaita Vedanta tradition, who have had an opening experience and now post videos explaining how to reach it and how wonderful life becomes afterward. Warner says he has seen four or five of them, the first few British and more recently American, which he takes as evidence that the phenomenon has crossed the Atlantic.

He is not especially interested in mocking them, and he is careful not to make it personal. What interests him is the emphasis. In the videos and the correspondence he receives about them, the highlight is often a state of bliss, and the implied promise is that bliss is the proof of arrival. Warner suggests that bliss, however sincere, sits at the mild end of a spectrum whose far end includes the things people really get excited about: healing, levitation, controlling the body's temperature, altering brain waves on demand.

"Being blissed out isn't quite as miraculous as having healing powers or these kind of things," Warner says in the video, "but it's still" a kind of experience people are eager to display.

— Brad Warner, Hardcore Zen, approx. 2:35

That phrasing deserves a note. The line above is a close paraphrase of the spoken passage, which runs through several false starts, so treat it as a reflection of his point rather than a verbatim quote.

Why did a personal loss make paranormal powers so tempting?

This is where Warner stops being a commentator and starts being a participant. He admits that when he first came to meditation, he wanted paranormal powers, and he is specific about the reasons. Some were practical. His mother was dying of Huntington's disease. Her condition was not yet advanced when he began sitting, but the family knew what was coming, and he had watched two older aunts decline. He says he was drawn to the idea of spiritual healing in particular.

He also describes the television culture that shaped his expectations. He recalls an Akron-area evangelist who claimed to heal the sick and cast out the demons of deafness, and whom he and his friends mocked for the way he would ask a supposedly healed person to say a word, which they then repeated in a way that made the miracle look hollow. Warner is candid that he knew the man was a fraud. The problem was that the spectacle had taught him what a healing looked like.

The more serious figure was J. Krishnamurti. Warner says Krishnamurti mentioned healing abilities a few times in talks and interviews, but never made a business or a big show of them. That restraint is what made Warner trust him. It also gave him a template for how a serious person might talk about extraordinary experience without building a following around it.

What did his first Zen teacher tell him about miracles?

Warner recalls raising the subject with Tim, his first Zen teacher. His teacher's answer, as Warner relays it, was balanced rather than dismissive. Tim thought such things might be possible, but believed most people who claimed them were fakes. Warner brings up the well-known example of Satya Sai Baba, who was said to produce objects such as jewelry from thin air. In Warner's telling, it was an old magician's trick, and it fooled a lot of people.

"Most of the people who pretend to do these things are fakes."

— Tim, Warner's first Zen teacher, as recalled by Brad Warner, approx. 5:49

The lesson Warner took from this was practical. Possibility and value are separate questions. Even if a power is real, the person pursuing it may be chasing a distraction, and the surrounding market of followers, demonstrations and testimonials will reward the wrong thing.

What is makyo, and why does Zen treat powers with suspicion?

When Warner moved into Zen, he found that the tradition was not interested in developing these abilities, and in many cases was openly wary of them. Zen lumps such experiences together under the term makyo. He notes that the word literally means "the world of demons," and that the phrase should not be taken to mean there are literal demons at work. It is a way of naming a class of mental phenomena (visions, unusual sensations, the sense of special powers) that practice tends to produce and that a serious student should not mistake for the goal.

Warner says he was disappointed when he first encountered this idea. His early reading of it was blunt: be realistic, these things are not possible, and trying to get them is a waste of time. As he has matured in the practice, his reading has shifted. The position is less that powers are fake and more that they are beside the point, and that chasing them shapes the chaser in ways that undermine the practice itself.

This is the logic underneath the potato. If a teacher's praise goes to the flashy results, students learn to look for flashy results. If it goes to steady, ordinary attention, students learn that attention is the practice. Warner's argument is that the second kind of teaching is harder to market and harder to appreciate, which is exactly why it keeps getting lost.

Why is the ordinary the real miracle in Zen?

The title of the video promises a miracle, and the miracle it delivers is subtle. It is not that peeling a potato hides some secret power. It is that the activity has no need of a power to be complete. The Vajrayana meditator's heat is impressive as a demonstration. The Zen student's potato is unimpressive as a demonstration and fully present as an action. Warner's point is that the impressive thing is easy to admire and easy to sell, while the unimpressive thing asks for nothing except that you actually do it.

Warner's transcript, at least in the sections available for this piece, circles this idea more than it spells out every step. That is fair to the material: he is working through a comparison rather than delivering a formal treatise, and the potato is most effective as an image. Readers who want the full development should watch the video itself, where the argument builds across the closing sections.

Where to go from here

If the video has you thinking about the difference between wonder and practice, start with Warner's own earlier treatment of the subject. He describes his February 2025 video on cultivating no paranormal powers as a companion piece, and the two are worth watching in sequence. From there, his blog at hardcorezen.info collects more of his writing on Zen and the dangers of spiritual spectacle.

For a reader who is less interested in Zen doctrine and more interested in the cultural moment, the enlightenment-bro trend is the live question. Warner offers a critic's sympathy rather than a verdict: young people searching for an experience that feels bigger than their lives, and a marketplace that is quick to sell them the sensation. The potato is a reminder that the real practice may not look like an experience at all.

Finally, keep the meme in mind the next time you see a dramatic claim about meditative attainment. Ask what the teaching says about the ordinary hour that follows. In Warner's framing, that hour is where the miracle, if there is one, has always been.

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[0:00] Hello there thrillsekers. My name is

[0:02] Brad Warner. I am the author of a whole

[0:04] bunch of books about Zen Buddhism. And

[0:07] today I would like to talk to you about

[0:08] The Miracle of Peeling Potatoes right

[0:11] after 20 seconds of Mr. Moto by the

[0:13] Bairs.

[0:18] [music]

[0:29] [music]

[0:33] [music]

[0:39] All right, folks. That was a little bit

[0:40] of Mr. Moto by the Bellairs in some

[0:43] tellings of the story that was the

[0:44] world's first surf song, but other

[0:46] people disagree. Anyway, I like the

[0:48] song. So, let me talk to you about a

[0:51] meme I've been seeing a lot. People keep

[0:53] sending it to me on Instagram, and I'll

[0:56] show it to you. Those of you who are uh

[0:58] listening to the audio version, I'll

[1:00] just describe it to you. On the left

[1:01] side of the picture is it says Vajriana

[1:04] on top. And Vajriana is what's commonly

[1:06] known as Tibetan Buddhism. It's Tibetan

[1:08] style Buddhism. And there's two guys

[1:10] getting really amazed saying

[1:13] pointing at a kind of a meditating guy

[1:15] with what looks like blood coming out of

[1:17] his eyes and stuff. I'm not sure what's

[1:18] going on. And it says he cultivated his

[1:21] inner fire through tumno. Now he can

[1:24] control his body temperature and

[1:25] withstand extreme cold. And on the right

[1:28] side of the picture it says zen and it

[1:31] says peel potato, which a picture of a

[1:33] potato peeler and a potato. And it kind

[1:36] of gives you the difference between uh

[1:39] well this person whoever made the meme

[1:42] is specifically talking about the

[1:43] difference between vajriana and zen but

[1:45] I think it's also the wider difference

[1:47] between what a lot of people think

[1:50] [snorts] of as meditative attainment

[1:53] like great meditative attainment and

[1:56] what we in the Zen school think of as

[1:58] great meditative attainment. And I went

[2:00] through my older videos and I realized

[2:02] I'd done a sort of similar video to this

[2:05] uh in February of 2025 and it was called

[2:09] cultivating no developing paranormal

[2:12] powers. That's what I called it and it's

[2:13] pretty good and I might adapt it to a

[2:15] chapter of a book someday. But I thought

[2:17] there was another angle to talk about

[2:19] this. So, forgive me for talking about

[2:20] it again because lately, uh, people keep

[2:25] sending me links and other stuff to guys

[2:29] who I've come to think of as

[2:31] enlightenment bros. And I I think I've

[2:33] mentioned this on the channel before,

[2:35] but they're usually young guys in their

[2:38] 30s, maybe early 40s. They don't look

[2:40] much older than that. Then again, I

[2:42] don't look much older than that, and I

[2:43] am much older than that. Go look me up

[2:45] on Wikipedia if you want to know how

[2:46] old. I'm getting sick of saying it. But

[2:48] anyway, so they're young guys who have

[2:51] had some kind of an experience. Usually

[2:53] it sounds like whenever I look at them,

[2:56] they're they're from the advite of vanta

[2:58] tradition and they've had some kind of

[3:00] opening experience and wonderful

[3:02] experience and they're here to tell you

[3:04] all about it and they're on YouTube and

[3:06] they're going to they're going to tell

[3:07] you how to achieve it and you know how

[3:09] wonderful life is when you do that. And

[3:12] I've seen about four or five of these

[3:15] guys. So, it seems to be kind of a thing

[3:17] these days, something that's happening.

[3:18] The first few I saw were British and now

[3:20] I've been seeing American ones. So, it's

[3:22] crossed the pond and it's over here now.

[3:25] And it kind of reminds me of my own

[3:29] struggles with this stuff. So, um, let

[3:33] me see if I can elucidate that. Oo,

[3:36] elucidate. That's a big word. When I

[3:38] first got into meditation, one of the

[3:41] things I really wanted was paranormal

[3:44] powers. Uh there were practical reasons

[3:47] and impractical reasons for this. The

[3:49] practical reason was that my mother was

[3:51] dying of Huntington's disease. Her

[3:54] condition wasn't so advanced when I

[3:56] first started getting to Zen, but we

[3:58] knew about it and I'd seen what happened

[4:00] to my uh two aunts who were older than

[4:03] her and and how bad they got. And I was

[4:06] interested in sort of spiritual healing

[4:09] powers specifically among other things.

[4:13] And you know, I'd seen some phonies on

[4:15] TV. I'd seen Ernest Angley who was

[4:17] local. He was from Akran or he was based

[4:19] in Akran or maybe Kyhoga Falls, Ohio,

[4:22] which is just the one north of Akran.

[4:25] and uh he had a big television

[4:27] evangelism thing where he would

[4:29] supposedly heal people who were sick and

[4:33] cast out the demons of deafness and cast

[4:35] out the demons of whatever. And uh and

[4:38] and the thing we used to make fun of him

[4:40] for was he would go up to somebody who

[4:42] was supposedly formerly deaf who who had

[4:44] just healed and he would say, "Say

[4:46] baby." and and the person would go

[4:49] >> baby baby baby

[4:54] baby baby I'm sorry I don't want to make

[4:57] fun of a handicapped person but that's

[4:58] what it looked like to me on on TV so

[5:02] yeah there was that guy and I knew that

[5:04] was phony but I had heard Krishna Murdy

[5:08] had healing powers and Krishna Murdy

[5:10] Jidu Krishna Murdy Yuji Krishna Murdy I

[5:12] don't know if he had any powers like

[5:13] that too but Ju Krishna Murdy was a guy

[5:17] who I thought was on the level. I still

[5:20] do think he's on the level. And he

[5:22] didn't make a big did not make a big

[5:24] deal out of his healing powers. He

[5:27] mentioned it a couple of times uh in

[5:30] passing in talks he gave or interviews

[5:32] he gave, but he never made a big deal

[5:34] out of it. He never made a business out

[5:35] of it or anything, but he said he he had

[5:37] this ability. And I remember talking to

[5:40] Tim, my first Zen teacher, about it, you

[5:43] saying, "Oh, what do you think of this?"

[5:44] And he said, well, you know, I think

[5:46] these things may be possible, but I

[5:49] think most of the people who pretend to

[5:51] do these things are fakes. You know,

[5:53] there's the famous Satya Satya Sai Baba.

[5:56] I don't know. I think there's more than

[5:58] one Sai Baba uh in in India, but the one

[6:01] I'm thinking of would do miracles uh

[6:04] making like things appear out of his

[6:06] hand. He would make like jewelry appear

[6:08] out of his hand and stuff. And it was it

[6:10] was just an old magician's trick that he

[6:12] would do, but he fooled a lot of people.

[6:14] And these enlightenment bros seemed to

[6:17] be getting a lot of uh a lot of hits on

[6:20] their videos. They're they're very

[6:22] popular. And one person who wrote to me

[6:26] about it said he was well I'm not sure

[6:29] exactly because it it was hard to

[6:31] understand his email but he seemed to be

[6:33] very impressed by the fact that his

[6:35] enlightenment bro of question was in

[6:38] question of question anyway whatever uh

[6:40] was blissed out and how wonderful that

[6:43] is and so being blissed out isn't quite

[6:45] as miraculous as having healing powers

[6:47] or these kind of things but it or or or

[6:50] making your body temperature go up like

[6:52] the Tibetan monks are supposed to be

[6:54] abled or some Tibetan monks are supposed

[6:56] to be able to to raise their own body

[6:58] temperature. There's one story I heard

[7:00] where they put a wet towel on the guy's

[7:02] head and I guess he's shaved bald and uh

[7:06] and he's in the freezing cold Tibetan

[7:08] monastery and he makes steam rise out of

[7:10] the the wet towel or something like

[7:12] that. I don't know. There's all kinds of

[7:14] things. um that guy uh one of these guys

[7:17] uh I don't want to put a name to it

[7:19] because I'm not sure who it was, but

[7:20] there's a guy on on the internets who

[7:23] was showing his paranormal powers of

[7:25] being able to stop his brain waves with

[7:27] a little machine and stuff like that.

[7:29] And there's all kinds of demonstrations

[7:30] of that. So

[7:33] once I got going in the Zen form of

[7:36] Buddhism, I found that that sort of

[7:38] thing was

[7:40] not really on offer. They weren't really

[7:43] trying to develop that. They weren't

[7:44] really in favor of it. In fact, they

[7:47] kind of lumped all of those powers into

[7:50] what they called Mchio. And Mchio, which

[7:52] I've talked about on this channel

[7:54] before, literally means the world of

[7:57] demons. It doesn't you don't have to

[7:59] think there are actual demons out there

[8:01] in a world of demons and all this stuff,

[8:03] but it's it's an idea of, you know, we

[8:06] we say that metaphorically too in

[8:09] English that they this stuff is is the

[8:11] devil's work or whatever, you know, and

[8:12] you don't really mean that the devil is

[8:15] doing it, but you you mean that it's

[8:16] it's something that's not to be

[8:18] cultivated because it's not very good.

[8:21] And when I first came across that idea

[8:24] in Zen, I thought,

[8:27] you know, I was very disappointed. And I

[8:30] thought that what they were telling me

[8:33] was be realistic, man. These things are

[8:35] not possible. Uh don't don't try to get

[8:38] these things cuz it's just a waste of

[8:40] time and and you can't do them anyway

[8:42] and it's it's just tricks and all this.

[8:44] But then I I came across once I got a

[8:46] little bit deeper into the Zen thing, I

[8:49] came across the idea that within Zen

[8:52] there is a general um belief that such

[8:55] things may be possible, but that they're

[8:59] still not meant to be cultivated. And

[9:01] and one of the famous stories about that

[9:04] relates to Hangpo,

[9:06] who I've talked about on this channel a

[9:08] few times. Hangpo, also called obaku in

[9:11] Japanese. It's just because there's a

[9:13] different way of pronouncing the Chinese

[9:14] characters between the Japanese and the

[9:16] Chinese. Uh Hangpo is the author of uh

[9:20] one of the best Zen books out there

[9:23] that's been around since the 50s. I

[9:25] think it's still in print called The Zen

[9:26] Teachings of Hong Poe uh by I think

[9:30] Blofeld is the translator. And uh it's

[9:34] it's still it's really worth getting.

[9:36] But there are a bunch of there's things

[9:38] that Hangpo is recorded to have said and

[9:41] those are in the Zen teachings of Hong

[9:43] Poe. But then there's this whole other

[9:45] sort of genre of stories about Hangpo

[9:48] that I I sort of I've never researched

[9:51] this deeply. But I sort of get the

[9:54] impression that the Hong Po stories may

[9:57] or may not be real. They're they sort of

[10:00] maybe they're sticking Hong Po's name

[10:02] into stories about, you know, stories

[10:04] that have been circulating otherwise.

[10:05] But I'll tell you one of them which I

[10:07] like. Uh this is kind of a famous one.

[10:10] Hangpo was on a pilgrimage with another

[10:13] monk talking and walking along a path.

[10:16] They reached a slowmoving river and

[10:18] without hesitation the other monk walked

[10:20] across the top of the water. From the

[10:23] other side he called Hangpo to do the

[10:25] same. Hangpo was furious and shouted at

[10:28] him, "If I'd known you were going to do

[10:29] something like that, I'd have broken

[10:31] your legs before we got to the river."

[10:33] The other monk bowed and said, "Now I

[10:36] know you are a true follower of the way

[10:38] and disappeared from view." So there's a

[10:40] little bit of magic in that story

[10:41] because he kind, you know, it kind of

[10:43] disappears. There's another story which

[10:45] I I think is kind of related to that. It

[10:47] may be a variation on the same story.

[10:50] And when I was trying to find it on the

[10:51] internet, I couldn't find it. But you

[10:53] know, it's one of these stories I heard

[10:55] when I was sort of starting to do this.

[10:57] And it's about a guy, two guys again, a

[11:00] famous master and another monk are

[11:03] walking along a river. And just like in

[11:06] this story, the the one monk crosses the

[11:08] river, you know, by walking on water.

[11:11] And Hangpo or whoever it is in in this

[11:15] other story says to him, "Well, how long

[11:17] did it take you to develop that power?"

[11:19] And he says, "Well, I've been meditating

[11:21] for decades and and you know, Rose, the

[11:23] force of Kundalini or whatever, you

[11:25] know, whichever version you get of the

[11:27] story, it it kind of it's like one of

[11:28] those jokes where you can just fill in

[11:30] what you want, you know, and you just

[11:32] fill in what you want and and about how

[11:34] long and how difficult it was to obtain

[11:36] this power." And Hangpo goes, "hm, you

[11:39] know, I usually just pay a nickel to the

[11:40] fairerryy man to get across the river."

[11:42] So

[11:44] meaning it's it's kind of a a thing you

[11:46] do that that doesn't have a whole lot of

[11:49] value. Uh why do we say this? Why is

[11:53] peeling potatoes a big deal in Zen or

[11:57] the old cliche chopping wood and

[12:00] carrying water and we're not so

[12:02] impressed by paranormal powers?

[12:06] I'll just tell you from my own personal

[12:07] point of view. If I came across somebody

[12:10] who had actual paranormal powers and

[12:13] could demonstrate them in a way that was

[12:15] convincing to me, I might be kind of

[12:17] impressed by that. I might be like, hm,

[12:19] that's that's pretty neat. But I also

[12:22] feel like it's it's not what I'm aiming

[12:26] for because

[12:29] [gasps]

[12:31] Dogen has a great essay about this that

[12:33] I've talked about many times and it's

[12:36] called Jinszu which means like mystical

[12:39] powers and things and he he talks about

[12:42] how there are small stuff powers and big

[12:45] stuff powers and and those of you who've

[12:47] watched these videos a lot have probably

[12:48] heard me say this but he c He he

[12:51] positions these kind of paranormal

[12:53] abilities among the small stuff powers.

[12:56] There are powers that depend on another

[13:00] power which is much greater and much

[13:02] more amazing. So the mystical power of

[13:05] walking across water or healing the sick

[13:08] or whatever it is that you think of

[13:11] depends on the great miracle which Dogen

[13:14] talks about which is this existence

[13:17] right here and right now. Because this

[13:19] existence right here and right now where

[13:21] one can peel a potato or one can sit in

[13:24] front of a messy bookshelf and do a

[13:27] YouTube video with his dog. Uh you can't

[13:29] see him, but he's he's sitting there.

[13:31] Maybe I'll take a picture of him and and

[13:33] um and edit it into the video so you can

[13:36] see what I'm looking at. Okay, I'll edit

[13:39] that picture in. So, but my dog is is

[13:42] laying here in front of me sort of. I

[13:44] don't know. Maybe he's listening to me.

[13:45] Maybe he likes hearing me talk. I mean,

[13:47] sometimes he comes around when I'm doing

[13:48] these videos like he likes to hear the

[13:50] the sound of my voice. Anyway, so this

[13:53] is a miracle. This right here and right

[13:56] now is a kind of miracle and we take it

[13:58] for granted because we're kind of born

[14:01] into it and this is our baseline and we

[14:04] think, okay, this is this and what can

[14:08] we add to this that will make it

[14:10] greater? And it doesn't have to be

[14:12] exactly paranormal powers. It can

[14:14] becoming it can be becoming a movie star

[14:16] or becoming a rock star, which is what I

[14:18] was trying to do in my youth, you know,

[14:21] making those albums by Dementia 13 and

[14:23] and uh I still think if Zero Defects had

[14:26] stayed together, we might have been one

[14:27] of those hardcore bands that that lasted

[14:30] a while and got talked about. But yeah,

[14:32] we just couldn't keep it together for

[14:34] long enough for that to happen. But

[14:36] we're still mentioned in in several

[14:37] books and things which I'm amazed by. I

[14:40] just found a book the other day which

[14:42] mentions zero defects as if we were

[14:44] significant. But anyway, sorry, just

[14:46] rambling on that. But, you know, you you

[14:48] want to you want to have something

[14:49] special happen to you. You want to write

[14:51] a bunch of books about Zen and become

[14:52] famous that way. You know, you you might

[14:54] want that. And I've run across people

[14:56] who are uh jealous of me for my

[14:58] accomplishments and and I'm like the

[15:01] last person who told me that I said,

[15:02] "Yeah, but I have cancer." [laughter]

[15:05] You know? So, so the thing the thing is

[15:07] that's, you know, that's where you end

[15:09] up. Either way, you're going to end up

[15:11] having to live out whatever karma you

[15:14] have. And if you manage to kind of

[15:18] develop a a paranormal power or become

[15:22] famous or or become rich or or whatever

[15:24] you do, uh you still have to live out

[15:26] the karma that you have to live out and

[15:29] it doesn't really change anything all

[15:31] that much.

[15:33] So that's why we think that peeling

[15:37] potatoes is amazing because if

[15:40] if you actually stop and pay attention

[15:43] to your real life as it is right now and

[15:46] go how how unusual this is. You know you

[15:50] can even talk about it in terms of

[15:52] science. We are living here in this

[15:54] solar system and as far as we know uh

[15:57] there's nine planets or maybe there's

[16:00] eight planets. I guess Pluto got

[16:01] demoted. I learned there were nine

[16:03] planets. But on those other seven or

[16:07] eight planets, however you count them,

[16:09] there's nothing like us. You know,

[16:11] that's millions of miles. And as far as

[16:13] we can see for millions of miles into

[16:15] the nearest

[16:17] near is kind of a funny word for it, but

[16:19] you know, light years out into the Milky

[16:22] Way and beyond. We don't see anything

[16:24] else like this. like this world is

[16:28] really special and really amazing

[16:31] and we don't know how it got here and we

[16:34] don't know where we come from and we

[16:36] don't know exactly what we are and so

[16:39] the the Zen

[16:41] thing for one of a better word is to

[16:45] just look at this right now and see the

[16:49] miraculousness of it as it is and

[16:54] and and notice that and live with that

[16:58] and be with that and sort of let it

[17:02] express itself as it is in its amazing

[17:05] way. This is the thing. This is one of

[17:06] the reasons I'm not impressed by people

[17:08] who take drugs. You know, they'll take

[17:09] LSD or Iasa or DMT, you know, whatever

[17:13] the ketamine, whatever the new thing is

[17:16] the kids are taking to have spiritual

[17:18] experiences. And I go, "Okay, yeah, I've

[17:20] taken LSD. Uh, I've had I've taken

[17:23] mushrooms uh before when I was younger,

[17:25] when I was much younger, and I've seen

[17:28] those things. And yeah, it's pretty

[17:30] neat. It's pretty incredible. But what I

[17:35] think is more incredible is just this,

[17:38] just this as it is right here and right

[17:41] now. And how incredible that is. So, you

[17:46] know, when it comes to guys circling

[17:48] around back to where I started the the

[17:50] enlightenment bros with their blissed

[17:52] out thing, you know, being blissed out

[17:56] is is usually an act. And when I first

[18:02] dis when I first got sort of I was going

[18:04] to say decided to be a teacher of Zen, I

[18:06] didn't really decide to be a teacher of

[18:08] Zen. My teacher Nishimarroshi kind of

[18:11] forced it on me. I've told this story a

[18:13] few times, but he kind of said, "Well,

[18:15] you're, you know, I want you to lead the

[18:17] lectures that I've been leading in uh to

[18:20] no, not took in temple in um okay,

[18:23] wherever it was. Tokyo University,

[18:24] that's where it was. Uh and I want to

[18:27] retire from it. I'm very old and and

[18:30] tired and I don't want to do it anymore

[18:31] and speaking English is not easy for me

[18:33] and etc, etc." And he gave me the Saab

[18:35] story and asked me to take over his

[18:37] classes and that's how it got started.

[18:40] Then he asked me to take over his

[18:41] retreats. Same Saab story. And I

[18:44] couldn't say no to him. And I kind of

[18:45] got thrust into this. And at first, what

[18:49] I thought I needed to do was take on the

[18:54] persona of the blissed out person

[18:56] because I thought that's how you did it.

[18:58] H. And and I tried that. And I used to

[19:01] get tension headaches from from trying

[19:04] to be this blissed out person. I'm

[19:06] holding my neck because that's where I

[19:08] would feel it. the neck muscles would

[19:10] tighten up and I get this horrible

[19:11] headache right in the front of my head,

[19:13] right over my eyes. And it was from the

[19:17] tension of trying to be something I'm

[19:19] not. And I thought, well, you know what?

[19:23] Tim, certainly my first teacher never

[19:25] did that. He was kind of presented

[19:27] himself as exactly the kind of lovable

[19:30] goofball that he was. And Nishi Roshi

[19:32] was a little different, but he was

[19:34] still, you know, he was a guy who worked

[19:36] in a cosmetics company. you know, he's a

[19:38] guy who worked for the Ministry of

[19:39] Finance in in Japan before he did that

[19:43] and he presented himself as that. And I

[19:45] thought, well, you know, I can just

[19:46] present myself as what I am, and that

[19:48] was a lot easier. So when I see these

[19:51] guys doing their blissed out persona on

[19:54] YouTube, I I feel like I'm watching

[19:59] I'm watching somebody who has a very

[20:01] strong potential of crashing and burning

[20:04] because you do that stuff, you put on

[20:06] that persona, you put on that act, you

[20:09] acrew students and the students are very

[20:12] demanding. This is one of the reasons

[20:13] when people ask me to can I be your

[20:15] student? I'm like h maybe we'll take a

[20:18] pass on that. uh because students can be

[20:20] very demanding and you and surround

[20:23] yourself with these people who are

[20:24] demanding you to be this persona and I

[20:27] often feel like a lot of these scandals

[20:29] that happen in the world of spirituality

[20:32] are people who find themselves in a

[20:35] position like that and they want out and

[20:37] they don't know how to get out but the

[20:40] subconscious starts working and they end

[20:43] up self-sabotaging

[20:45] uh you know having an affair with a

[20:46] student or whatever it is they do or

[20:48] embezzling some money or you know these

[20:50] kind of things that they do and then

[20:51] they get kicked out and you know the the

[20:55] overt response is oh no I've been kicked

[20:57] out but the the in inner sort of

[21:00] subconscious is going yay I finally

[21:03] don't have to be that person for all

[21:04] these people anymore. So I I feel like

[21:07] that's what I'm watching when I watch

[21:09] these enlightenment bros on YouTube. I

[21:13] think, "Oh, there." But for the grace of

[21:15] God, go I. You know, if YouTube had been

[21:18] around earlier on in my experience, I

[21:21] might have found myself trapped in that

[21:22] kind of thing, too. And and I feel like

[21:25] I hope they figure it out in time before

[21:29] it gets really bad, you know, cuz the

[21:32] blissed out thing is like

[21:35] you can be blissed out. It's like it's

[21:36] the same kind of act as Ernest Angley

[21:38] who I mentioned earlier who was doing

[21:40] the act of being the healer on on TV in

[21:42] Akran. You can do that act when there's

[21:46] an audience and you can put it on for,

[21:48] you know, I do my videos, my most of my

[21:50] videos are like 25 minutes or something.

[21:52] You can hold that for 25 minutes or you

[21:54] can hold it for an hour while doing a

[21:56] lecture and for, you know, another hour

[21:58] or two while sch smoozing with people

[22:00] and then you get backstage and it all

[22:02] comes apart and and I'm sure that's

[22:04] what's happening with the with most of

[22:06] these guys. So yeah, there there becomes

[22:09] a kind of an imbalance there. So anyway,

[22:11] sorry for waffling on about that. All

[22:14] right, that's what I want to say about

[22:15] peeling potatoes. So next time you're

[22:16] peeling potatoes, think about that and

[22:19] think about how miraculous that is and

[22:22] how wonderful it is just to be you being

[22:24] able to peel some potatoes. All right,

[22:26] if you want to contribute to me buying

[22:28] some more potatoes to peel, you can go

[22:30] to the URL that you're going to see on

[22:31] the screen below or you're going to hear

[22:33] if you're listening to the audio

[22:34] version, and that is

[22:35] hardcorezen.info/donate.

[22:38] Once again, hardcorezen.info/donate.

[22:42] That's where you will find links to my

[22:43] PayPal and Patreon accounts. Those are

[22:45] my only way of making a living right

[22:46] now. And I appreciate your support. But

[22:48] as always, you don't got to support me

[22:50] if you don't want to support me. All

[22:51] right, I'm going to leave you with some

[22:53] film or not film, sorry, uh video, I

[22:56] guess, of Ziggy in the Dog Park and then

[23:00] the entirety of that song I played at

[23:02] the beginning just in case you want to

[23:03] hear it. And we'll see you again. Have a

[23:05] good time all the time. Bye.

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The meme contrasts a Vajrayana meditator who claims to control body temperature through tummo with Zen's 'peel potato' image. Brad Warner reads it as a comparison between what people admire as great meditative attainment and what Zen treats as the real practice: ordinary, attentive activity.
Brad Warner says makyo literally means 'the world of demons' and is used in Zen to describe visions, unusual sensations, and feelings of special powers that meditation can produce. He explains it is not a claim that literal demons exist, but a warning that such experiences should not be mistaken for the goal.
According to Warner, Zen lumps paranormal powers together with makyo and is generally not in favor of cultivating them. The concern is that chasing such powers is a distraction that can undermine the practice itself.
Warner describes them as usually young men in their thirties or early forties, often drawing on Advaita Vedanta, who share an opening experience on YouTube and promise that bliss follows. He says he has seen four or five of them, first British and then American.
Warner says that when he first came to meditation he wanted paranormal powers for both practical and impractical reasons. The practical reason was that his mother was dying of Huntington's disease, and he was drawn to the idea of spiritual healing.
In this video, Warner says he thinks some of these things may be possible, following his first Zen teacher's view, but he is skeptical that most people who claim them are genuine. His central argument is that even if powers exist, they are not what Zen considers valuable.

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