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Froglessness: Applied Buddhism and the Lab of Community Life

DP
Deer Park Monastery
Oct 20, 2026
8 min di lettura

Da Deer Park Monastery

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The rains retreat begins not with silence but with laughter. Brother Phap Dung stands in the Ocean of Peace Meditation Hall at Deer Park Monastery in Escondido, California, and reminds the gathered community of an ancient joke: during the opening ceremony, the previous night, Brother Monta handed out sticks. "If you get a stick," the brother had announced with apparent seriousness, "that means you have food to eat." The room laughs. But beneath the humor lies a teaching about belonging that reaches back 2,500 years.

The rains retreat—called vassa in the Pali tradition—began, Brother Phap Dung explains, as a practical response to monsoon conditions in ancient India. The Buddha and his wandering monks found themselves trudging through mud, stepping on unseen creatures, causing harm without intention. So they made a decision: for three months, they would stay still. They would stop wandering. This choice to remain in one place became, over centuries, formalized into a spiritual discipline. But what makes it worth doing now, in a modern monastery in Southern California, is not nostalgia for the early Sangha. It is what happens when you take the discipline seriously—when you actually stop, and pay attention to what you've been running from.

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The Portable Past and the Unreliable Present

Brother Phap Dung arrived at Thich Nhat Hanh's monastic communities—first in France, then in North America—as a young man carrying what he describes as "an extra-thick passport." He had traveled constantly. The monasteries he joined had been built, deliberately, on movement. Thich Nhat Hanh traveled every season: spring, summer, autumn, winter. The founder of the Plum Village tradition wanted Buddhism in the West to be alive, healing, engaged with the world. Families came to retreats. Children were incorporated into practice. The tradition grew outward, reaching constantly, refusing the insularity that had calcified Buddhist practice in parts of Asia.

But Thich Nhat Hanh did something that seemed almost to contradict this trajectory of engagement: he revived the rains retreat in its full, ancient severity. Three months. Stay put. No traveling. No exceptions. Even Thay—as his students call him—had to decline invitations during this period. The retreat became, in Phap Dung's phrase, "a lab to experiment." It is a place where the monk or practitioner who has spent the rest of the year moving through the world must finally sit still and notice what moves within.

The first lesson is material. At the beginning of each retreat, the community engages in a practice of room reassignment. Monks choose new rooms, new roommates. It is, Phap Dung tells us, like a sports game to watch—an ordered, almost ceremonial chaos as each person makes their selection in turn. And then comes the real work: looking at what you've accumulated in a year. What haven't you touched? Did you ever need it? Do you need it now? A corner fills with "freebies"—discarded items that others might claim. One sister famously called asking when the "free bee" would open, as though it were a store. Within a week, the remainder is donated. The practice is not about asceticism for its own sake. It is about bringing awareness to the material things with which we surround ourselves, the comforts we've learned to associate with home and stability.

The Honeymoon Ends in Dishes

But the real practice begins when the retreat community settles into the shared spaces. Brother Phap Dung recalls a young English practitioner who had been part of a movement for young people deeply invested in talking about community. During a panel at a French retreat, this man offered a hard-won insight: "I don't trust anybody who speaks about community until they live through three months with four roommates." The conversation had seemed idealistic before that. Experience had made it real.

Whose turn is it to wash the dishes? This is not a question one asks theoretically. It is the question that surfaces in every shared household, every partnership, every community that has moved past the initial excitement into the actual texture of togetherness. In the Plum Village tradition, this friction is not treated as a failure of practice. It is the practice. "Without the rubbing," Phap Dung says, "you're just comfortable all the time, avoiding triggers everywhere. Then you actually just become more and more cautious everywhere. And that's not exactly happiness. Just because you're not triggered doesn't mean you're okay."

The triggers are where transformation lives. The brother who notices, after months in the monastery, that he has developed a complicated relationship with food—standing in the serving line, watching the smell and abundance, engaging in a constant interior dialogue about quantity—is learning something true about himself. He would never have discovered this pattern in the world outside, where stimulation is constant and the mind can disappear into distraction. In the monastery, where the rhythm is simple and the most stimulating events are communal cooking sessions, the mind reveals itself.

Applied Buddhism, Not Idealism

This is why Thich Nhat Hanh made a subtle but crucial adjustment to how he named his teaching. He became known for "engaged Buddhism"—a term that suggested outward action, activism, the arrow of practice pointing toward the world. But after some time, he refined it: "applied Buddhism." The difference is profound. Applied Buddhism is not escape into activism or escape into withdrawal. It is the integration of mindfulness into the texture of daily life. It is the lab. It is the dishes. It is four roommates and the choice each day to remain present to that reality rather than to resent it or transcend it or fantasize about escape.

Brother Phap Dung calls the three-month retreat "a crucible"—though he notes that crucible suggests too much pain. It is a vessel, then, for the heating and refining of practice. What you discover in that vessel is not a permanent solution to suffering. It is not enlightenment delivered whole and perfect. It is, instead, a deep familiarity with your own mind. You see how it moves. You see what triggers it, what attracts it, what repels it. You practice not avoiding those movements but witnessing them, and in the witnessing, you begin to understand that you are not identical to them.

The Ancient and the Now

Halfway through his talk, Brother Phap Dung turns to a problem that he and his brothers and sisters face now, in 2026, in ways the Buddha could not have anticipated. The subject is artificial intelligence, creativity, choice, and the subtle colonization of the mind by algorithms designed to keep you consuming. He mentions a recent science retreat at Deer Park where practitioners investigated how AI works, how the self is constituted, how much of what feels like choice is actually manipulation designed to feel like freedom.

A mouse, Phap Dung explains, was given a button. When the button was pressed, an electrode stimulated the pleasure center of the mouse's brain. The mouse pressed the button until it died of exhaustion. Now consider what we do with shopping, with social media, with any interface engineered to trigger the reward systems that evolution built into us over millions of years. The scientist designing the algorithm knows how the brain works. The person using the algorithm does not. The imbalance is profound.

"To do something without our choice?" Phap Dung asks, his voice tightening. "I hated that." The practice, then, is to become what he calls "our own whistleblowers." To notice when we're being manipulated, to recognize when the algorithm is presenting itself as neutral or natural when it is, in fact, designed. This is not a call to reject technology. It is a call to presence, to the kind of awareness that three months in a monastery—looking at your food, your roommate, your triggers, your mind—can cultivate.

The retreat is not separate from the world. It is a compression of the world's true nature: impermanent, relational, full of friction and choice and the constant possibility of waking up to what's actually happening.

Where to go from here

If you're drawn to this teaching, consider exploring the Plum Village tradition's resources on applied mindfulness, or visiting one of the Plum Village monasteries in person if possible. The rains retreat is not just for monastics—laypeople can participate in abbreviated forms at retreat centers worldwide. The practice of noticing triggers, of remaining present in shared spaces, of paying attention to how algorithms and social systems shape choice—these are immediately available practices wherever you are. Start with the dishes. Watch your mind. Notice what wants to move you away from the present moment, and practice, gently and without judgment, coming back.

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[0:02] [bell]

[0:21] [bell]

[0:22] [music]

[0:43] [music]

[1:16] >> Dear respected teachers, dear

[1:19] beloved community,

[1:23] how many of you is first time here

[1:25] today?

[1:28] Okay, about third.

[1:30] Welcome.

[1:52] And some of you know today is our

[1:54] uh the opening day of the rains retreat.

[1:58] And uh

[2:00] last night we uh

[2:02] had a ceremony to

[2:05] to inventory who is here.

[2:07] And my brother brother Monta kept saying

[2:10] that you if you get a stick, that means

[2:12] you you have food to eat.

[2:14] >> [laughter]

[2:15] >> I think he said it twice.

[2:17] As if you

[2:18] like you're not going to get food if you

[2:20] you don't get a stick.

[2:23] Um

[2:26] Yeah, it's a funny uh

[2:28] uh

[2:30] tradition that

[2:31] uh not funny. It's very ancient

[2:34] tradition. It comes from the Buddha's

[2:36] time, called the rains retreat.

[2:40] And at the time of the Buddha, they

[2:42] wandered a lot around and

[2:46] they recognize it's very difficult

[2:48] during the rainy season. So, they

[2:51] decided to stay still

[2:53] for 3 months or more so that they don't

[2:56] walk around and it's muddy and you step

[2:59] on all kinds of things

[3:01] and animals.

[3:03] So, it kind of starts from

[3:05] a wandering tradition

[3:07] to stay put. And during that time,

[3:10] because they stay put, you know, they

[3:14] began to also

[3:16] study with each other and have

[3:17] discussion and to look at their lives

[3:21] um

[3:22] as wanderers, as

[3:25] >> [bell]

[3:27] >> as uh spiritual speakers.

[3:29] So, that's a very beautiful image that I

[3:32] always remind myself

[3:34] every time it's rains retreat, to

[3:36] reflect on the origin of our tradition,

[3:40] which is

[3:41] a nomadic tradition.

[3:44] We actually traveled a lot

[3:47] uh as in 2,500 years ago in India.

[3:52] And they did it barefoot. Can you

[3:53] imagine? Some of my brothers are now

[3:55] barefoot.

[3:57] It uh

[3:58] it's not very welcome in the meditation

[4:00] hall, but uh

[4:01] >> [laughter]

[4:02] >> they make all the brown mats white

[4:04] again.

[4:06] Um so that's our tradition. We uh moved

[4:08] a lot.

[4:09] And our teacher, when he

[4:13] started creating the monastic tradition

[4:15] in the West, in France, Southern France,

[4:19] yeah, he also would travel a lot around

[4:22] the world to teach.

[4:24] Springtime, summertime, autumn time,

[4:28] wintertime.

[4:30] I had a uh

[4:32] a extra-thick passport. You know, they

[4:35] uh

[4:36] they give you an option, you can get

[4:37] extra pages.

[4:39] After I became a monk, I had to get one

[4:41] with extra pages cuz I traveled a lot.

[4:44] And we travel I travel with them every

[4:47] spring and uh autumn at least.

[4:51] Uh and in between those two.

[4:54] And so Thay was uh mm

[4:57] you know, leading laying a foundation

[4:59] for kind of Buddhism that is very

[5:02] engaged and very

[5:03] uh you know, these retreats help people

[5:07] uh heal and transform and find uh

[5:10] a direction, a purpose, a meaningful uh

[5:13] purpose for their lives.

[5:15] As well as incorporating children into

[5:18] the tradition.

[5:19] Our our retreats always had children,

[5:22] families.

[5:24] So we traveled a lot.

[5:26] And so that's when Thay uh formed the

[5:30] 3-month rains retreat to revive it.

[5:33] So it's been

[5:35] uh kind of

[5:37] deteriorated in the West cuz it's

[5:40] very busy, especially with monastics as

[5:42] well.

[5:44] But Thay was very, very strict with 3

[5:46] months.

[5:47] Like

[5:48] you got to stay put, no traveling, no

[5:50] special anything. Even Thai had to drop

[5:53] many invitations during the rain

[5:55] retreat.

[5:57] So, I'm reminded that of that every time

[6:00] they come to rain retreat.

[6:02] For us to all come together and stay in

[6:05] one place.

[6:07] And uh

[6:08] uh also in our tradition we change

[6:10] rooms. Many of us have new rooms now.

[6:14] Um new roommates.

[6:17] The the monks uh

[6:20] last Monday, they uh changed rooms. I

[6:23] think the sisters uh did it before.

[6:26] But um

[6:28] yeah, we we we I love watching the room

[6:31] rearrangement.

[6:33] Like they were the brothers uh they

[6:35] choose rooms and then they a lot of

[6:37] where you put the name and then you pick

[6:39] and see

[6:41] whose turn it is to choose next, the

[6:43] order of choosing.

[6:45] And uh it's quite a

[6:47] uh it's like a sports game or something.

[6:50] You see how things land up.

[6:53] So, that is uh

[6:55] uh an ongoing

[6:57] uh every year we have to do that.

[7:01] And you get to look back at all your

[7:03] stuff and see

[7:05] things that you haven't touched for a

[7:06] year.

[7:07] And you say, "Did I really need that in

[7:09] my room?"

[7:11] So, you the brothers begin to reflect

[7:13] and they they they

[7:15] We have a corner this year was behind

[7:17] the veranda where you put all your

[7:19] freebies.

[7:20] And it becomes like a garage sale.

[7:23] Uh

[7:24] a little uh you know, a room

[7:26] room sale. You know, you just leave it

[7:28] there and you can actually uh go there

[7:30] and uh

[7:32] you know, take think invite things to

[7:34] come home to come back to your room.

[7:37] Freebies, right?

[7:39] This year one sister called up and say,

[7:41] "Hey, when is your uh free bee opening?"

[7:44] >> [laughter]

[7:45] >> It's like, "No, it's not It's in the

[7:47] back now, so you can't really access it,

[7:50] you know?"

[7:51] And we we joke with her.

[7:53] And then soon it's still there. It's

[7:55] still some uh stuff. And then we wait

[7:58] for a week and then we go donate it

[8:00] somewhere.

[8:01] So, this is a kind of uh

[8:04] practice to reflect on the material

[8:06] things as well as the the comforts that

[8:08] we uh associate with.

[8:11] As well as your roommate.

[8:13] You know, you like your roommate? Now

[8:14] you got to let them go. Ah,

[8:16] you know? Oh, boy, I got to go.

[8:18] New roommates. Oh, boy.

[8:20] >> [laughter]

[8:22] >> Okay. So, some of you uh

[8:24] is going to be a practice.

[8:26] >> [snorts]

[8:26] >> So, our community practice is very uh

[8:29] very real, very alive.

[8:32] Mhm.

[8:33] I remember one uh in France, there was a

[8:36] English young man who is at

[8:39] at the range retreat. And he was part of

[8:42] a wake-up movement for young people and

[8:44] they love community. They talk about

[8:46] community.

[8:47] And then during a panel, he was up and

[8:50] he said uh "I don't trust anybody who

[8:53] speak about community until they uh live

[8:56] through 3 months with four roommates."

[8:59] >> [laughter]

[9:01] [gasps]

[9:01] >> You know, like afterwards he saw the

[9:04] conversation as very idealistic.

[9:08] And uh he experienced

[9:11] uh not only 3 months, but he stayed

[9:13] longer even.

[9:14] So, he knows the reality of, you know,

[9:17] the What is it? The uh

[9:19] uh after the honeymoon, there's the

[9:21] laundry or something. There's like a

[9:22] book on it, right?

[9:24] Something about laundry and and

[9:26] Buddhism.

[9:28] Yeah, and that's a very very real. And

[9:30] our tradition,

[9:31] laundry.

[9:34] Whose turn is it?

[9:36] Whose turn is it to wash the dishes?

[9:40] How come I always wash the dishes?

[9:43] You know that one, right? Those of you

[9:45] in partner, you have that? It's like

[9:48] the honeymoon now is the dishes.

[9:51] You know, in the sink, you're like,

[9:53] "It's your turn." "No, it's my turn."

[9:56] So, that's reality in our tradition.

[9:59] Um all of that is to uh train. And what

[10:02] are we training here?

[10:04] Let's say

[10:06] to train to watch and to know our mind.

[10:08] And without the rubbing,

[10:10] uh you're just comfortable all the time.

[10:13] Uh you know, avoiding triggers

[10:15] everywhere.

[10:17] Then you actually just uh become more

[10:19] and more uh

[10:20] how do you call it? Mm.

[10:22] How do you call it? Always uh cautious

[10:25] everywhere. And that's not exactly

[10:28] happiness.

[10:30] Just because you're not triggered

[10:31] doesn't mean you're okay.

[10:34] So, in a way it is It's not like we

[10:36] intentionally trigger anything. But in

[10:38] fact, the trigger

[10:40] is a way to for us to recognize

[10:43] stuff that's happening.

[10:45] And so, our tradition is, you know, is

[10:47] quite uh

[10:49] um interactive.

[10:51] You know, Thich Nhat Hanh says uh he's

[10:53] known for engaged Buddhism.

[10:55] And everyone's like, "Yes, engaged

[10:57] Buddhism." As if it's like outward

[11:00] arrow.

[11:01] And so, Thich Nhat Hanh at some point he

[11:04] changed it to uh

[11:06] applied Buddhism.

[11:08] Much better word. So, it's not

[11:11] misunderstood as an outward engagement.

[11:15] But apply to your daily life.

[11:18] So, this is our tradition for those who

[11:21] are new.

[11:22] And the rainy retreat

[11:24] is to apply. It's like,

[11:26] you know, the researcher going to the

[11:29] lab. The 3-month is a lab

[11:32] to experiment

[11:34] and to see, "Ooh, what happens if I get

[11:36] more food? What happens if I eat a lot?

[11:41] What happens if I eat less?"

[11:44] At such far away my range you treat of

[11:47] Like I never had problem with food

[11:51] before I be

[11:52] you know, I came to the monastery.

[11:55] But after being in the monastery

[11:57] I had this thing with food. I would

[11:59] stand in line and it goes like, "Oh, how

[12:01] much do I take now?"

[12:02] >> [laughter]

[12:03] >> "Ooh, that smells so good." You know,

[12:06] and so it was a constant battle in my

[12:08] mind.

[12:10] Cuz in the monastery there's not so much

[12:12] stimulation.

[12:14] And the most stimulating thing is

[12:17] cooking.

[12:18] Especially when the sisters come up and

[12:20] cook together with the brothers. Oh,

[12:21] boy. I would be like,

[12:25] I still have that problem now.

[12:27] >> [laughter]

[12:28] >> So you watch your mind, yeah? So you

[12:30] learn uh a lot about yourself.

[12:33] You see that?

[12:34] That is the I used to call it the

[12:36] 3-month crucible, but crucible is so

[12:40] so painful, right?

[12:42] So it's kind of laboratory.

[12:44] So you are your own lab. Kind of like

[12:47] And actually some people is the

[12:49] crucible. Yeah.

[12:50] People really like

[12:52] like their volcano goes.

[12:54] >> [laughter]

[12:55] >> And it's good.

[12:57] Cuz then, you know, the volcano gets to

[12:58] chill and cool down, you know? But you

[13:01] had all this repent uh lava that you

[13:03] didn't know you had.

[13:05] And we don't wish that on anybody, but

[13:07] it does happen.

[13:09] And uh but we're here for each other.

[13:11] And

[13:12] we we're not afraid of that. Um

[13:15] So that's a little bit of uh

[13:18] you know.

[13:21] And it's uh in knowing ourselves, mhm,

[13:24] we begin to understand ourselves.

[13:28] And we can uh understand others.

[13:31] And so

[13:32] I think in understanding

[13:35] ourself and others, our heart uh become

[13:38] a little bit more tender and soft,

[13:40] right?

[13:41] And that's the gift of being human

[13:44] that we have this ability to

[13:46] mm

[13:48] and you know to uh

[13:51] be more tolerant, to be more accepting.

[13:55] Cuz you know not goes our way.

[13:59] So I think that is the kind of freedom

[14:01] that is very

[14:02] uh

[14:03] practical and very applied freedom, not

[14:06] ideological freedom

[14:09] as in some political or idealistic way.

[14:14] But freedom here is like I'm no longer

[14:16] pushed and pulled by these habits of

[14:19] mine.

[14:20] I'm no longer pushed and pulled by other

[14:22] people.

[14:24] You see that you have a choice.

[14:26] That freedom is very practical.

[14:29] Mm I can choose differently.

[14:35] So this is a little bit kind of

[14:38] for those who are new, our tradition of

[14:40] 3 months.

[14:43] And first month you

[14:46] there's a rhythm to it.

[14:48] You know there's I'm in love, everything

[14:50] is now.

[14:52] And

[14:53] >> [clears throat]

[14:53] >> and the many brothers came from France

[14:56] to come and practice with us and

[14:59] you know I like to borrow their eyes to

[15:01] see everything through their eyes.

[15:05] Look at the mountain with their eyes.

[15:08] So you it's a chance for us to renew our

[15:11] uh

[15:12] complacent kind of

[15:15] routine

[15:16] uh

[15:18] you know taking things for granted eyes.

[15:21] We begin to like

[15:25] you know, wow, there are plates and

[15:27] bowls for me to use.

[15:29] So, you begin to to to recite that. It's

[15:32] like, wow.

[15:33] I get to join

[15:36] in the sitting in the morning. How

[15:38] precious.

[15:40] Cuz it might become routine after many,

[15:42] many years.

[15:44] So, it's also for a practice for all of

[15:46] us to renew our beginner's mind.

[15:52] Uh

[15:52] we don't take things for granted.

[15:54] So, this is uh

[15:56] an ongoing training for all of us.

[16:00] Mhm.

[16:08] In preparing, I knew I was going to

[16:11] share today and

[16:13] I actually been reflecting a lot

[16:17] about um

[16:20] you know, the what Thich Nhat Hanh built

[16:23] here,

[16:25] uh which

[16:26] was uh initiated through his being

[16:29] exiled from the West

[16:32] from during the time of war

[16:34] in our country, in Vietnam.

[16:36] And so, he couldn't go back.

[16:39] He wanted so much to go back

[16:41] to to build a Plum Village, uh Phuong

[16:44] Boi, uh fragrant palm leaves

[16:47] uh hermitage in uh in Vietnam for

[16:51] activists and engage uh people

[16:54] uh

[16:55] in in during the war time. He built the

[16:57] school youth for social service and

[17:01] and but he was in the West, he slowly

[17:03] built Plum Village.

[17:06] Very similar aspiration.

[17:09] Not as a a Buddhist uh

[17:11] uh tradition or monastic tradition, but

[17:14] a as a vision for social

[17:17] uh development. How to change and

[17:20] improve society. That's why you call it

[17:22] Plum Village, not Plum Monastery.

[17:26] So, this is something we I've been

[17:28] reflecting a lot about Thich Nhat Hanh's

[17:30] life and how, you know, he is not just a

[17:32] Buddhist monk. He was a social

[17:35] um

[17:36] He wanted to change how society was

[17:39] organized.

[17:40] And this is something

[17:42] runs very deep within my heart.

[17:45] You know, I was trained as an architect

[17:47] and I also wanted to improve the living

[17:50] physical condition of people, especially

[17:53] in LA. Can you believe that? I was very

[17:55] idealistic

[17:58] What is it? Idealistic fresh after

[18:01] college, you know?

[18:02] People who just graduate, they have

[18:03] like, "I'm going to change the

[18:05] environment. I'm going to help clean.

[18:07] I'm going to help"

[18:08] You know, it's And then, you know, after

[18:10] 1 year, "Oh my god."

[18:13] >> [laughter]

[18:13] >> The bureaucracy, the

[18:16] the corporate culture.

[18:18] >> [laughter]

[18:18] >> The money involved in things, right?

[18:21] And so, I got disillusioned.

[18:25] But I've been reflecting a lot about

[18:26] Thich Nhat Hanh's life and his uh

[18:30] wanting to create different models

[18:34] >> [snorts]

[18:34] >> for society.

[18:37] And he

[18:39] And he saw that

[18:40] great component to that is the spiritual

[18:43] development, the training of the person

[18:45] who's engaged, who's

[18:47] helping social change.

[18:50] And to to have that person have a

[18:52] spiritual dimension, to train to to have

[18:55] a spiritual life.

[18:58] Meaning

[18:59] developing yourself

[19:01] in terms of your humility, your pride,

[19:04] your

[19:06] all the baggage that you bring from your

[19:08] family. If you don't have that as a

[19:12] you know, your directive

[19:14] all your engagement, all your social

[19:16] activism will be undermined because of

[19:19] that

[19:21] uh personal development. And now you

[19:23] know, as you know, many movements are

[19:26] destroyed

[19:27] because of human uh

[19:30] I don't know how you call it, but human

[19:32] uh soap opera, right?

[19:34] This is a truth of any movement.

[19:38] So, the I uh

[19:40] solitary

[19:42] uh the the contemplative life, the

[19:45] mm

[19:45] the the the life of meditation and

[19:48] self-development

[19:50] and the active life, the engagement life

[19:53] is very crucial and they go hand in

[19:55] hand. It's not one after the other. It's

[19:58] not like, "Oh, now I'm I'm enlightened.

[20:00] Now I can do social work."

[20:03] Or you do social work and then you you

[20:05] kind of like put this uh whenever you

[20:07] can get it, but they need to happen.

[20:10] So, in your daily life, in your

[20:15] mm everything you do needs to be infused

[20:18] with development of spiritual personal

[20:21] development.

[20:23] So, in the monastery, this rangy tree,

[20:25] that is what we're practicing.

[20:27] To wash our dishes

[20:31] and just enjoy washing our dishes.

[20:34] And ask yourself, what does this have to

[20:36] do with the environmental

[20:39] crisis that we're in?

[20:42] I sometimes do that.

[20:46] What does washing your dishes mindfully

[20:48] have to do with anything?

[20:51] Your relationship.

[20:54] Ask yourself when you open the door

[20:57] mindfully

[20:59] how does that

[21:01] fit

[21:02] in the world that's so

[21:05] people are so discriminated and so much

[21:07] inequality.

[21:09] What is opening the door mindfully have

[21:11] to do with any of that?

[21:14] It's a good question.

[21:17] When I get on the computer,

[21:20] what does I have to do with all the

[21:22] anxiety about AI coming?

[21:27] So you these things is it for us to look

[21:30] and contemplate in our activity.

[21:34] So this is the uh

[21:36] the the the inseparable nature of action

[21:41] and contemplation

[21:43] as we engage, as we work

[21:46] with the earth.

[21:48] What does that have to do with the

[21:50] environment and the healing of Mother

[21:53] Nature?

[21:54] You see it? So the the koan of Thai is

[21:57] not like

[21:58] why did Buddha Dharma come from the west

[22:01] or what is my hand

[22:04] sound of my hand, one hand clapping.

[22:07] Those things are great for a certain

[22:09] time. They don't work now.

[22:11] They actually create more overthinking.

[22:14] God, I have so many people come up and

[22:16] ask me and tell me about

[22:18] their discovery about a koan

[22:21] and it's so cerebral.

[22:23] And uh I almost feel like Thich Nhat

[22:25] Hanh would go

[22:27] It's like drink your tea, man.

[22:30] >> [laughter]

[22:32] >> Cuz koans are not supposed to be like uh

[22:36] yeah, some of you probably

[22:38] don't understand that, but Zen masters

[22:40] do that. It's not a physical slap, but

[22:42] you feel like you got slapped.

[22:45] And uh you either go home more awakened

[22:49] or uh at least more humble.

[22:51] >> [laughter]

[22:53] >> Or you like go still and

[22:56] and die in your pain. It's very

[22:59] I and I felt that with Thich Nhat

[23:02] people, too. He's got me so angry that,

[23:06] "Oh my god."

[23:07] And it it's like uh

[23:10] And it's a good medicine cuz a lot of us

[23:12] are very proud. We're very proud and

[23:15] very protective of our uh

[23:19] our our story, our identity, whatever it

[23:22] is that we we build ourselves with.

[23:25] And

[23:26] I don't want to tangent here. Let's get

[23:28] back to the

[23:30] So, asking ourselves, "What does this

[23:32] have to do with what's happening in the

[23:35] world?"

[23:36] Coming here 3 months, you know,

[23:38] monastics practicing.

[23:41] What is this Is are we retreating from

[23:43] the challenges and the troubles of our

[23:45] time?

[23:48] So, that's a good question to

[23:49] contemplate.

[23:51] And uh yeah, close your eyes and ask

[23:53] yourself,

[23:55] "Am I running away?"

[24:15] >> [bell]

[24:47] >> Recently, there is there is a trend in

[24:49] our tradition to always say "Enough."

[24:52] You know, cuz it's like reaction to the

[24:55] abundance.

[24:57] You know, the

[24:59] Yeah, everything is like super size.

[25:03] Recently, where where were we? We were

[25:06] somewhere and everything we get is huge

[25:09] amount.

[25:11] All right, it was after the ceremony and

[25:13] then the lay friend took monastic to

[25:16] eat.

[25:17] And I don't know you know banh xeo is a

[25:19] kind of like a crap crunchy uh

[25:23] When I was growing up, you know, you go

[25:25] to the restaurant and it's small like

[25:27] this. And that's it.

[25:29] Gosh, but the food ordered one and it

[25:32] came out it was huge.

[25:35] You know, and that's the nature of being

[25:38] here, I guess. Just everything gets

[25:40] super sized.

[25:43] So, this is something

[25:46] you know, in reaction of this being in

[25:49] in America. I've also

[25:52] you know,

[25:53] uh

[25:54] like everything's like our whim to have,

[25:56] right? You can get anything.

[25:58] Um

[26:00] So, anyway, in our community there's a

[26:01] lot of are you enough? And you are

[26:03] enough. There's always this kind of like

[26:06] brainwashing of

[26:08] >> [laughter]

[26:09] >> the word enough.

[26:10] Um also another word of relevance. Are

[26:14] we relevant? Is this relevant?

[26:17] And this is a

[26:19] interesting question to ask.

[26:21] What we doing here?

[26:25] Um yet to be careful, too, because it

[26:27] usually it can make us

[26:29] strive and try to attain

[26:33] or see the

[26:35] the other

[26:36] What is it? The other hill is greener?

[26:39] So, we have to be very careful. There's

[26:41] a fine

[26:43] fine tuning

[26:44] so that you are not striving

[26:47] or you don't become complacent. And

[26:50] that's a constant practice.

[26:53] But it is a good question to know that

[26:55] what ties form

[26:57] after 40 years to this moment.

[27:00] Do you park? We have Magnolia. They will

[27:05] They will do the rains retreat next

[27:08] week or so and Blue Cliff coming up.

[27:10] Plum Village as well. So many of our

[27:12] centers are

[27:14] having the 3-month retreat.

[27:17] It's a good time to reflect on what what

[27:20] what we do What are we doing in terms of

[27:22] serving? Is it relevant?

[27:26] There's a lot of

[27:29] dismantling

[27:32] of normal

[27:34] Recently I heard about coders, people

[27:37] who do coding.

[27:39] There's so much anxiety because their

[27:41] their job

[27:44] is on the line and people are being

[27:47] laid off. But I hear other coders are

[27:50] learning how to prompt and they're

[27:52] catching up.

[27:53] And so it's a matter of shifting.

[27:56] Musicians,

[27:59] artists,

[28:00] you know, with AI, you know, creativity

[28:03] is becoming quite easy.

[28:07] So, you know,

[28:09] people who know how to play music and

[28:11] make song, they

[28:13] they're coming up with that.

[28:15] Like now, what is their contribution? Is

[28:20] it relevant? Is it needed still?

[28:23] With the machines that can mimic and

[28:26] recreate so many things.

[28:29] So, that's a question that not just with

[28:33] the Buddhist practice, with monks and

[28:34] nuns and practitioners,

[28:37] to ask ourselves

[28:38] are what we doing still relevant?

[28:42] Being mindful of the door,

[28:47] eating and being present

[28:51] properly.

[28:53] Is that relevant still?

[28:56] Uh, that's a good question for the 3

[28:58] months, okay? At the end of the 3

[29:00] months, I'm going to interview each one

[29:02] of everyone, all the monks, nuns, all of

[29:04] us.

[29:06] And uh

[29:07] not just say yes or no, but maybe, you

[29:10] know,

[29:11] a deeper answer.

[29:15] So, that's uh and homework for you this

[29:17] month.

[29:19] Uh, for the 3 months.

[29:21] Mhm.

[29:25] I think in terms of about seeing myself

[29:28] um

[29:31] as a human being exploring.

[29:35] Uh,

[29:35] and I think being a monk is a

[29:39] great opportunity to really

[29:43] you know, it's not really a job. You

[29:45] know, in Buddhism they say the monastic

[29:48] life, it is uh

[29:50] what is it? To attain wisdom is our

[29:53] having insight is our

[29:56] highest career. Our career

[29:58] is to have insight.

[30:01] You know, that is

[30:03] a well-known quote.

[30:05] That is your job.

[30:07] Is to produce insight.

[30:11] You know, some people produce a wall by

[30:12] stacking bricks and cement.

[30:16] Monastics

[30:17] or practitioner

[30:20] we

[30:21] produce insight.

[30:23] That's interesting, huh?

[30:26] Uh,

[30:27] what is that? Do you Can you stack up

[30:29] that?

[30:32] So, that is our career.

[30:34] And in the evolution of humans

[30:37] is very [clears throat]

[30:38] interesting, too. Then that's how I see

[30:42] my endeavor, how I why I changed from a

[30:45] architectural career to a career of

[30:49] insight.

[30:52] And uh

[30:52] and uh actually I came to that uh

[30:55] realization from uh a few incidents.

[30:59] Like in Vietnam, like going to the

[31:01] village, poor village in Quang Tri area,

[31:04] the area that was most bombed.

[31:07] I I had a monk take me there when I was

[31:10] still a young uh I was just come out of

[31:13] college.

[31:14] And I had a a scholarship to go and

[31:16] study

[31:17] the Vietnamese architecture.

[31:20] But I was just using that opportunity,

[31:22] the uh four or five months to just

[31:24] explore Vietnam.

[31:26] And they paid for it.

[31:29] My university, you know. So I rode my

[31:31] bike and I met this man and I'll never

[31:33] forget. He was maybe really old. He

[31:36] looked like a raisin, like his face.

[31:39] And he had like black teeth and he lived

[31:41] in the hut.

[31:42] And I remember riding

[31:44] and uh there like these bombs that

[31:47] became I found out they they became

[31:50] little ponds for the country folks. Can

[31:53] you believe that? The bombs left such

[31:55] big hole that they made ponds out of it.

[31:59] It became very useful.

[32:01] So I remember [snorts] riding through

[32:04] and then just meeting diff- random

[32:05] people. But I met this man, he was the

[32:07] happiest man uh

[32:09] I'll never forget his smile.

[32:12] So I had a translator with me and I

[32:14] asked him, "What do you think about all

[32:15] the West coming to build

[32:17] the high-rises and stuff?" That time

[32:19] Saigon was already uh

[32:22] opening.

[32:23] And all these Marlboro and Coca-Cola and

[32:27] you know, they got great they're coming.

[32:30] And I remember him laughing. And I go,

[32:31] "Oh." I think he said something like,

[32:34] "Oh, let them come. I I our country many

[32:36] people have come and go.

[32:40] But I will never forget his like black

[32:41] teeth. I can still remember it. I was

[32:44] like, "God, what he must have

[32:46] experienced through the war

[32:48] and all his family died."

[32:51] This you know, this is a you don't want

[32:52] to compare suffering but

[32:55] like he can still smile with

[32:58] uh

[32:59] you know,

[33:00] tears. And I think it was very deep for

[33:03] me because that laughter never left me.

[33:07] Like this man who has nothing, lost

[33:09] everything,

[33:10] can still find joy

[33:13] and still laugh at the ridiculousness of

[33:15] human endeavors.

[33:17] >> [laughter]

[33:18] >> So, anyway, I didn't ask any more

[33:20] question, you know.

[33:21] And then

[33:23] came back to do work.

[33:25] And we're designing

[33:28] for a very wealthy couple

[33:30] a big giant build a

[33:33] you know, a mansion with a huge glass

[33:36] window and

[33:38] I had to stay over the weekend on

[33:41] Saturday

[33:43] to work extra hour for this couple.

[33:46] And in my gut, I knew by the end of this

[33:49] project, they're going to get a divorce.

[33:52] >> [laughter]

[33:52] >> I was like, "Why am I here doing this?"

[33:57] You see my mind how it was I was like,

[33:59] "Man, this couple is not going to last."

[34:01] Cuz I would meet with them about it and

[34:03] I know, "Oh my god, this is not going to

[34:05] happen. It's not going to go very long."

[34:07] >> [laughter]

[34:08] >> And this building will be left for

[34:09] spiders and cockroaches, you know.

[34:12] And I remember feeling kind of like a

[34:15] little bit used and kind of like, man,

[34:17] and with this old man.

[34:19] So, anyway, many things, but those are

[34:21] like my two and

[34:25] where the end of the bookshelf kind of

[34:27] thing.

[34:28] Kind of made me reflect a lot about

[34:33] the state of our mind.

[34:35] Mhm. So, it kind of took precedence over

[34:38] architecture

[34:39] and human

[34:41] habitation, right?

[34:44] Yeah, it just you know, not only that,

[34:46] but you know, that's a little bit

[34:47] thinking, but in my heart I was also

[34:50] becoming less disgruntled and less

[34:52] angry.

[34:53] So, there's a lot of transformation that

[34:55] began

[34:57] to reveal to me that the what the Buddha

[34:59] had formed. And I didn't know much about

[35:01] Buddhism

[35:03] back then.

[35:05] I read Thich Nhat Hanh's Old Path White

[35:06] Clouds,

[35:07] Miracle Mindfulness,

[35:09] and many philosophy books on Buddhism.

[35:13] So, I didn't know what monk the whole

[35:16] monk

[35:17] and nun tradition was about. And so, I

[35:20] began to hear from our teacher and

[35:22] sharing more about

[35:24] you know, the history of monasticism

[35:28] and the the that tradition, the

[35:31] continuous tradition for 2,500,

[35:35] 600 years. Can you believe that?

[35:38] I I like to joke and say it's the

[35:40] longest living

[35:41] startup.

[35:44] The Buddha was a He was a startup, man.

[35:46] He went and found four friends and said,

[35:48] "Hey, let's do a startup, man."

[35:51] Go spread and market our uh

[35:54] our platform.

[35:56] >> [laughter]

[35:58] >> You know, this is uh

[36:00] and it's also been compared as the the

[36:03] the counter institution to military

[36:07] organizations. Isn't that cool? I love

[36:10] that. Robert Thurman, I think he was the

[36:11] first to

[36:13] say that the monastic institution is the

[36:16] counter balance to the militarization of

[36:19] our

[36:20] of our human species.

[36:22] I love that, too. He's like, "We're like

[36:24] soldiers."

[36:25] All right.

[36:27] Peace.

[36:29] >> [laughter]

[36:31] >> That's uh

[36:32] you know, they they go like this, right?

[36:34] We go

[36:36] >> [clears throat]

[36:38] >> And this is

[36:40] not a joke. In Vietnam during the war,

[36:43] that is exactly what the monks and nuns

[36:46] did. You see some of the image?

[36:48] That is not fear.

[36:51] That is compassion.

[36:53] That is our tradition.

[36:55] So, we're not retreating.

[36:58] We're building ammunition.

[37:02] Love, compassion for ourselves.

[37:06] This is the monastic

[37:08] or the I don't want to say monastic, the

[37:11] tradition.

[37:13] Whether you're a monastic or a lay

[37:14] person,

[37:17] this is our task.

[37:20] And you know it is so needed.

[37:22] >> [laughter]

[37:22] >> Oh my god.

[37:24] What's happening, you know? So much

[37:26] hate, so much division, so much blaming

[37:30] others,

[37:31] and not working together.

[37:33] So, you know,

[37:35] mm

[37:37] I think the last century and more,

[37:40] yeah, we've been fed a kind of worldview

[37:43] that's a little bit not working.

[37:47] Competition,

[37:49] control, power.

[37:52] Yeah, those things are

[37:54] not working.

[37:56] So, we need to

[37:58] another up update upgrade.

[38:01] And this is nothing new. It's a

[38:04] kind of a pendulum of transformation and

[38:08] and change. During time of the Buddha,

[38:12] while he was still a young prince, this

[38:15] was also happening.

[38:17] There was a high militarization

[38:19] of the

[38:21] uh

[38:21] of the villages as well.

[38:25] It's because there were accumulation of

[38:27] wealth.

[38:28] Like his father wealthy, you know.

[38:31] So, when you have wealth, you need

[38:33] military. You need guards. You need

[38:35] protection. So, the same exact thing

[38:39] that's happening.

[38:41] So, it's nothing new. But, we have to

[38:44] remember the Buddha finding alternative

[38:47] pathway, diverging and finding

[38:49] alternative ways to be in the world.

[38:53] Oh, you want my stuff? Oh, have it.

[38:56] >> [laughter]

[38:58] >> You know, it's a very uh

[39:02] How you call it?

[39:05] Not hoarding, but going, "Here, have

[39:07] it."

[39:10] I hear some of the monks did that. And

[39:12] it was a little painful. They did that

[39:14] with their tea pots, too. They let go of

[39:16] their favorite tea pot.

[39:18] So, the practice is many

[39:21] levels.

[39:30] Another contemplation that's been on my

[39:33] mind is we had a recent science retreat.

[39:37] The science and the Buddha or the Buddha

[39:39] and the scientist? Which one goes first?

[39:43] The Buddha's first? All right.

[39:45] Don't be proud of it.

[39:47] I remember saying that if the Buddha's

[39:50] If the Buddha's is not a scientist, then

[39:53] he's not a real Buddhist.

[39:56] And then the other question if you flip

[39:57] it, if the scientist is what?

[40:01] Can somebody help me with that?

[40:03] If the Buddha's is not a scientist,

[40:07] not a real Buddhist. Can you accept

[40:10] that?

[40:11] I find that makes sense.

[40:13] But, I was trying to struggling with if

[40:15] a scientist is

[40:19] if not practicing

[40:21] He's practicing. He's in the lab looking

[40:23] at things.

[40:25] If a scientist, yeah, please finish that

[40:28] for me and write it to me. Cuz I'm kind

[40:30] of stuck with it.

[40:32] You know, scientists

[40:33] You don't want them to become spiritual,

[40:35] do you? Really?

[40:38] That's what people want. They want them

[40:39] to do, you know, have the lab and then

[40:41] light an incense, you know, before they

[40:43] do their lab on their mouse scissors and

[40:45] stuff.

[40:48] So, it's a very interesting situation

[40:51] we're in with science and technology.

[40:54] Because without something

[40:57] that is where we're at now.

[41:01] Our situation based on science, the

[41:05] nuclear

[41:07] bomb

[41:08] is a technological scientific

[41:12] invention.

[41:15] AI

[41:17] and what is it?

[41:19] Uh no, not AI anymore. It's super super

[41:22] AI, right? Or super

[41:25] Yeah, yeah.

[41:27] You think that Who who made that?

[41:30] Yeah, the science, the tech technicians

[41:34] or they are

[41:37] And it's kind of scary that they don't

[41:38] know what they made.

[41:40] You read articles like

[41:42] I have no idea.

[41:44] And so, they're all scared, the ones who

[41:46] made it.

[41:47] So, it's a very interesting uh

[41:50] situation we're in

[41:52] compared to the Buddha's time.

[41:55] It's a little bit a little bit, I would

[41:58] say uh

[42:01] Yeah, we'll see in 10 20 years. I

[42:04] welcome it. Uh

[42:06] because it's I have a feeling mm

[42:09] our practice can can be quite uh

[42:13] um

[42:17] be present to it.

[42:20] And we will

[42:21] I really do have that belief.

[42:24] Cuz I've seen, you know, I grew up with

[42:27] uh

[42:29] you know,

[42:30] no no cell phone. Like you had to get

[42:33] two dimes and go to a

[42:36] telephone to put it in.

[42:39] Do you remember that?

[42:40] And then I grew up with uh

[42:42] dialing with the circle. There was no

[42:45] square buttons yet. It was

[42:50] Do you remember that? I forget the

[42:51] sound, but it's like uh

[42:54] So, when we first came from Vietnam and

[42:56] they you know, it's like that.

[42:58] And the the the phone thing you have to

[43:00] like uh the phone was outside in the

[43:02] hall, so I had to come in my room and

[43:04] pull get a long cable and close my door

[43:07] so I can have like conversation without

[43:10] my whole family hearing.

[43:12] Do you remember that? And then you have

[43:13] to do it so it doesn't creak the

[43:17] Now, you know, it's like technology.

[43:19] Mhm.

[43:21] But what I uh learned from the science

[43:23] retreat was one of the scientists. He uh

[43:26] he studied the neural uh

[43:29] the neural triggers.

[43:32] And he actually explored um

[43:35] non-self and how the non-self how the

[43:38] self is formed. And he presented like a

[43:41] scientific study like in terms of uh

[43:45] uh the different um things that happens

[43:48] in our mind and where it happens and so

[43:50] on.

[43:51] Can you believe that? He was actually as

[43:54] a scientist exploring Buddha's concept.

[43:58] And he uh even presented how the self

[44:01] are uh he called it self-appraisal.

[44:05] Um it was a technical word. Anybody

[44:07] remember brothers?

[44:09] It was like a It had the word

[44:10] appraising.

[44:12] And that really stuck with me because

[44:15] there's some truth to it. We like to

[44:17] create our sense of self, right?

[44:20] You know, we we There's something that

[44:22] we're proud that we're unique and we're

[44:25] like different.

[44:27] And that's very special as human beings,

[44:29] that capacity. But it's also it is the

[44:32] root of our suffering.

[44:34] And that's what he was uh the his main

[44:37] thesis.

[44:38] Very cool, huh? It's like But uh he's

[44:41] going to send us his presentation. I

[44:43] would love to share it with you. That

[44:45] actually

[44:46] non-self and self, I think, I've never

[44:49] seen it presented like that in terms of

[44:52] scientific diagrams. And he even had

[44:54] like micro uh time in how it's triggered

[44:58] in here.

[45:00] So, that's a uh I leave with that and

[45:02] that's been really

[45:05] mm

[45:06] inspiring as well as uh

[45:09] mm

[45:11] Yeah, that's one of the What do you call

[45:13] it?

[45:14] mm the window which I'm looking in the

[45:17] next 10 or 20 years.

[45:20] In terms of with AI and with uh

[45:24] mm new new studies of our brain.

[45:27] Cuz now Did you hear the Nobel Prize uh

[45:32] to the chemists? The one who studied the

[45:36] glowing algae?

[45:39] Anyone? You know that? It's crazy. It's

[45:42] going to be

[45:44] for uh like

[45:48] Science is I wish I was go into science,

[45:51] yeah. That That is an amazing new door.

[45:55] So, anyway, it's just

[45:56] uh

[45:57] they were awarded two or three, I think.

[46:00] One and then a couple

[46:01] uh They discovered a way now to actually

[46:05] study

[46:07] single neurons firing. Before it was

[46:10] just random. Oh yeah, there's blotches

[46:12] here, blotches there. Now

[46:15] they can actually change the DNA in that

[46:18] neuron.

[46:19] And then when they use a light, they can

[46:21] turn it on.

[46:23] So they can make neurons fire. Basically

[46:27] is where it's heading. You know that,

[46:28] right?

[46:29] >> [laughter]

[46:31] >> Anyway, they they show the experiment

[46:33] that these scientists did and

[46:36] they had

[46:37] I don't know if I should share with you

[46:38] because is it going to scare you guys,

[46:40] you know?

[46:41] >> [laughter]

[46:42] >> But you got to know what's happening,

[46:44] you know? They had a mouse, right? And

[46:46] it's just like

[46:48] it it it just randomly moves around in

[46:52] the the space.

[46:54] And they turn it on

[46:56] and it what they hooked it up to is to

[47:00] be preferential to the left.

[47:05] So the motor towards the left movement.

[47:08] So when they turn it on, the mice goes

[47:10] around like this.

[47:11] And they turn it off and the mouse is

[47:14] moving normal.

[47:16] I know. I know that's painful for the

[47:18] animal lovers.

[47:20] But this is what scientists do. They and

[47:22] they turn it on, the mouse goes.

[47:24] They turn it off.

[47:26] And that

[47:27] freaks me out.

[47:29] That they can actually and then mhm

[47:32] they did another one. They figured out

[47:34] where are the thirst

[47:37] trigger the firing.

[47:39] And so they hooked it up.

[47:41] And then they would turn it on and then

[47:43] the mouse goes and has water. Ignores

[47:46] the food.

[47:47] Just drinks.

[47:49] Turns it off and the mouse eats and does

[47:52] whatever freely.

[47:54] And then turns it on and then it goes

[47:56] just goes to water.

[48:00] I mean, it sounds crazy, but think about

[48:03] what we do with our phone.

[48:07] Think about what we do with shopping.

[48:10] Christmas is coming.

[48:15] Are we free?

[48:18] >> [laughter]

[48:24] >> This is what we're up against.

[48:27] Freedom.

[48:29] Isn't it powerful?

[48:32] Yeah, we look at the mouse, and we say,

[48:34] "Oh, poor mouse."

[48:37] So, this is really

[48:40] affected me [clears throat]

[48:41] to know that they awarded

[48:45] that what the highest Nobel, something

[48:48] you can get, everyone pays attention,

[48:49] everybody wants it,

[48:52] to praise the discovery. Of course, they

[48:55] are doing it to actually study, uh,

[48:58] Alzheimer, schizophrenia, uh, the the

[49:02] the disorganized firing in the brains of

[49:05] all the mental disease.

[49:07] So, there is a noble, uh, endeavor to

[49:10] that.

[49:11] But, wherever there is convenience,

[49:13] there is also

[49:15] the cruelty that can come with it, as

[49:18] you know with technology, if it is not,

[49:23] you know, if the scientist is not,

[49:26] you know, that question I asked you.

[49:29] So, it's not to stop development, but

[49:31] it's something else. And I, you know, I

[49:35] And many scientists in the AI world are

[49:37] starting to wanting to come and sit

[49:39] together

[49:40] and discu- look for a way that is safe.

[49:44] Can you believe it?

[49:45] Did you hear all the, uh, AI,

[49:49] you know,

[49:50] um, heads meeting,

[49:52] and then one of the interview he said,

[49:54] "We got to win, but we have to win

[49:56] safely."

[49:58] I think those two don't really go

[50:00] together.

[50:02] Cuz win you need an enemy to win, you

[50:04] know?

[50:05] And so it's funny the the the same

[50:10] So this is

[50:12] sheds light on our practice.

[50:16] And our

[50:17] um

[50:19] recognizing

[50:21] the firing that happens because

[50:25] the algorithms, the

[50:28] the story that we've been fed.

[50:31] You understand?

[50:33] Are you guys

[50:34] Am I making Am I making sense? Okay.

[50:38] If this practice

[50:40] is to be free

[50:42] that is the Buddha's uh

[50:45] and to cause less suffering.

[50:47] It's not just to be free and like la la

[50:49] la la and Kansas, right?

[50:52] But it's to be free and go back to

[50:54] Kansas and help.

[50:57] It's not to say, "Oh, you know,

[51:00] I'm fine. Forget about others."

[51:03] So the Buddhist practices has both the

[51:06] wisdom, the insight, and the compassion.

[51:10] That is Taizé.

[51:13] That is our tradition.

[51:15] So it's to

[51:18] come back to ourself

[51:20] doing this rain retreat

[51:22] and remember the mouse. Are you a mouse?

[51:31] Do we do things automatically?

[51:34] Are we being

[51:36] forced

[51:38] to do something without our choice?

[51:42] And

[51:43] it goes very subtle.

[51:46] In the rain retreat, you will find

[51:48] someone that triggers you. A man really

[51:52] bugs me.

[51:57] You see and then you go, "Oh, left."

[51:59] You see, oh, left.

[52:01] You do exactly what the mouse does.

[52:06] They're not here. No.

[52:09] Yeah.

[52:12] No one is controlling us. It is our own

[52:18] whatever narrative we have.

[52:22] Pretty cool, huh?

[52:24] I know. It's It's not easy. I'm still

[52:27] handling that. I have so many like

[52:31] uh mind controls

[52:33] that I'm still discovering.

[52:36] And I You know what the hardest thing I

[52:38] learned from Thai?

[52:41] And still to this day, I still I'm

[52:44] looking for a loophole.

[52:48] And Thai challenged me during a Dharma

[52:50] talk when I sat there like you and I

[52:53] realized from now on I cannot blame

[52:56] anybody.

[52:58] I hated that.

[53:01] >> [laughter]

[53:01] >> Up to now, I'm still finding a way to

[53:03] like, "No, there's got to be something

[53:05] wrong with this."

[53:07] I hate that about Buddhism.

[53:11] I don't accept it yet.

[53:14] >> [laughter]

[53:15] >> I can't blame anybody. I'm like, "Come

[53:17] on, you've got to be kidding me. Look at

[53:19] them."

[53:23] You know, because it was Thai making me

[53:25] realize that we are all victims.

[53:28] We are all victims of our own mind

[53:30] control.

[53:33] And we are very sophisticated to hide

[53:35] it, to make it seem like someone else's

[53:38] problem.

[53:39] >> [laughter]

[53:41] >> You see that? Wow, when I realized that

[53:43] was like, "Oh my god, we are so

[53:46] intelligent for our own wrong, you know,

[53:48] our own demise, you know?"

[53:51] You know, I realized that's exactly what

[53:53] I do. I I actually um I am very smart

[53:57] with like

[53:58] manipulating it so it seemed like, "Ah,

[54:00] you see?"

[54:03] Oh man.

[54:04] >> [laughter]

[54:05] >> I'm still kind of stuck. So, if you find

[54:07] a way, let me know, right?

[54:09] >> [laughter]

[54:10] >> But that's the hardest thing I found

[54:12] about this path.

[54:14] Because uh

[54:15] yeah, I'm a really stubborn, rebellious,

[54:19] >> [snorts]

[54:20] >> very suspicious of happy people.

[54:24] That's where I was born and raised.

[54:27] Yeah. How many of you suspicious of

[54:29] happy people? Come on.

[54:32] You know what I mean, yeah? Yeah, it

[54:34] could be said more nicely, but that's a

[54:36] LA way of saying it. It's like, "Man,

[54:38] no, man."

[54:40] Get out of town.

[54:42] >> [laughter]

[54:43] >> You know, and that's why I have that

[54:46] nature.

[54:47] So, in this range you treat where you

[54:50] can discover, okay? And it's not

[54:53] like you have to get rid of everything,

[54:54] all right? It's just to be kind.

[54:58] Because, you know, we

[55:00] we've been given a lot from our

[55:02] ancestors and our culture and our, you

[55:05] know, hundreds of years of narrative of

[55:08] what is happiness,

[55:10] what is real freedom,

[55:15] and the habit of just holding and being

[55:19] comfortable with what

[55:21] is our own comfort and not thinking of

[55:24] others.

[55:26] This is our ingrained habit.

[55:30] And also, you know, our our

[55:33] What is it? The

[55:35] What is it? Fight flight? The

[55:38] fight fight fight fight fright is to

[55:40] retreat, right? Fright. When you fear,

[55:42] you can't you know, you're hesitant. You

[55:45] you have every you're very afraid of

[55:47] being triggered and you you want to like

[55:49] live in a place where, you know, you

[55:51] don't get triggered.

[55:52] And the other one is the the fight one

[55:55] where you like you always look for

[55:56] something to go against.

[55:59] It's like mhm.

[56:01] Mhm.

[56:03] You know that one? You you you you love

[56:06] to fight and you can't fight if you

[56:07] don't have an opposition.

[56:09] So, you make it. It could become the

[56:11] schedule. Like, "Oh man, who came up

[56:13] with this?

[56:16] I'm going to have my own schedule within

[56:18] the schedule."

[56:20] Watch that. It's so cool. I did that

[56:22] really well, by the way. You want some

[56:24] tip? I'll let you know.

[56:26] >> [laughter]

[56:27] >> How to get away with stuff. That's

[56:29] fight. You just like, "You're not going

[56:31] to be trapped."

[56:33] The range you teach is

[56:35] like, "Oh man."

[56:38] You know, to bring that pride down.

[56:41] To bring all your system down. Man, it

[56:44] was It's still hard now, but it's a

[56:47] little little bit lighter.

[56:50] So, the training is really really

[56:52] amazing if you put your whole heart to

[56:53] it.

[56:55] So, remember the breath we heard from

[56:57] Thayaphan.

[56:59] The breath training, okay? Anywhere you

[57:02] feel something tight, strong.

[57:05] Take a breath.

[57:07] And actually we also learn from

[57:08] neuroscience the in-breath.

[57:12] Deep one.

[57:13] It clears cavity There's a part in your

[57:16] brain back there when this go and touch

[57:19] it.

[57:20] It relaxes the the

[57:22] I'm sorry, I'm not very technical. I'm

[57:24] such a bad student, you know. The head,

[57:26] the brain, and your spine has a

[57:30] a cleaning system.

[57:34] Breathe out your mouth.

[57:37] It actually has physical influence. So,

[57:41] when you feel like your brain is getting

[57:43] lighter, it is actually getting cleaner.

[57:47] And he actually said you feel like you

[57:49] you know, it's a good word It's a good

[57:52] uh

[57:52] a

[57:53] reuse of the word brainwashing.

[57:57] Like your brain needs washing.

[58:00] >> [laughter]

[58:01] >> I mean, he this fellow was scientist,

[58:03] huh? It's not like some religious uh you

[58:05] know, guru, right?

[58:07] So, it's like

[58:08] So, anytime you feel you really

[58:09] something uh at the food line

[58:13] or you see someone in the tea room that

[58:15] you're like, "Oh, they're in there." You

[58:17] kind of go out. Remember the mouse,

[58:19] okay? Go in there, just chill.

[58:22] It's just a mouth.

[58:25] And so, we practice to free the mouth.

[58:30] Free your mouth.

[58:32] Don't let it be

[58:34] controlled by anyone, including your own

[58:38] narrative.

[58:44] Fun, huh?

[58:47] Did I scare any of you? Um I hope I

[58:49] don't.

[58:51] But it is uh in light of human uh

[58:54] development, okay? Don't see it as a

[58:56] Buddhist thing.

[58:57] But this is uh founded on the the

[59:01] potential of us

[59:04] to know and call it out.

[59:08] To be our own whistleblowers. Like, "No,

[59:11] that's really not what is happening.

[59:13] I'm being pushed by something."

[59:16] That is our hope

[59:18] for the next decade or two or century

[59:22] as new

[59:24] things come and mimic us

[59:26] as human beings.

[59:28] they will mimic us very well.

[59:31] People already

[59:33] relying on it as a friend, as a

[59:37] girlfriend, or what partner.

[59:39] This this digital language model, it

[59:43] says exactly what we want to hear. It's

[59:46] like your pet. It's like it doesn't

[59:48] argue back, and it's like, "Mhm, but it

[59:50] feels so good." Sorry, animal lovers. I

[59:53] don't mean it derogatory, but it is

[59:56] something that we do

[59:58] a retreat to because we want to avoid

[1:00:01] the human

[1:00:04] difficulty in connection.

[1:00:07] So, this will be the

[1:00:11] the most important thing for us as a

[1:00:13] human. You know, they say that this will

[1:00:15] be the most challenging as a human

[1:00:18] species.

[1:00:20] So, what is the most important thing for

[1:00:22] us to do as a human being?

[1:00:27] Is to know

[1:00:28] this is not an authentic connection.

[1:00:32] You're not really here with me, are you?

[1:00:35] Are you really here with me,

[1:00:37] Charles?

[1:00:39] Is that a real smile?

[1:00:41] Or are you just got some button there?

[1:00:44] Smile. Smile for you when it's talking

[1:00:46] to me.

[1:00:48] So, I can you know, and you can tell,

[1:00:50] right?

[1:00:52] Are you really happy?

[1:00:54] Or is that some chemical you're taking?

[1:00:59] Some triggering your neurons, some

[1:01:02] automatic button that you have attached

[1:01:05] to you.

[1:01:06] So,

[1:01:07] I will be able to pick that up.

[1:01:10] I have that trust. Cuz it's happening.

[1:01:14] And I do that because I know myself. And

[1:01:17] I know what makes me human

[1:01:20] because of my suffering.

[1:01:22] I have cried, I have laughed.

[1:01:25] So, I can tell when it's authentic.

[1:01:28] It's because I have come back to take

[1:01:30] care of myself.

[1:01:32] I know how to do that.

[1:01:34] Therefore, I can recognize it in you.

[1:01:38] When you're suffering,

[1:01:43] So, these are some uh

[1:01:47] some uh what do you call it? Uh

[1:01:48] exploration that I Yeah, I'm I'm

[1:01:51] exploring this rain retreat.

[1:01:54] And I'm here just to share with you uh

[1:01:58] this

[1:01:59] rain retreat. We uh

[1:02:02] all the

[1:02:03] monastics will share their Dharma talk

[1:02:06] based on a poem.

[1:02:07] So, I want to

[1:02:09] uh offer you one for to practice this

[1:02:11] rain retreat, okay?

[1:02:14] It's a poem of Thai. It's one of my

[1:02:16] favorite poem because it's very simple

[1:02:18] and very uh

[1:02:20] Mhm.

[1:02:21] Very very usable. You can use it. It's

[1:02:24] called frogglessness.

[1:02:27] Okay?

[1:02:29] So, this is uh and the other Dharma

[1:02:32] teacher for the rain retreat will offer

[1:02:33] different poems of our teacher.

[1:02:37] Frogglessness, the [snorts] first

[1:02:38] fruition of the practice is the

[1:02:41] attainment of frogglessness. Like Look.

[1:02:44] Look. Yeah?

[1:02:45] When a frog is put on the center of a

[1:02:48] plate,

[1:02:49] they will jump out of the plate after

[1:02:52] just a few seconds.

[1:02:54] And if you put the frog back again on

[1:02:56] the center of the plate, they will again

[1:02:59] jump out.

[1:03:01] You have so many plans.

[1:03:04] There is something you want to become.

[1:03:07] Therefore, you always want to make a

[1:03:09] leap, a leap forward.

[1:03:11] It is difficult to keep the frog still

[1:03:14] on the center of the plate.

[1:03:17] You and I both have Buddha nature in us.

[1:03:22] This is encouraging,

[1:03:24] but you and I both also have frog nature

[1:03:28] in us.

[1:03:29] That is why the first attainment of the

[1:03:32] practice is [snorts] frogglessness.

[1:03:40] There's a frog in here.

[1:03:43] The other night, did you hear it?

[1:03:46] And a cricket, too.

[1:03:48] So, remember that, okay?

[1:03:50] For the next 3 months, [snorts] here or

[1:03:53] at home, when you hear this,

[1:03:56] frogglessness is our practice. Don't

[1:03:58] jump.

[1:03:59] Stay put.

[1:04:01] So, anytime you feel this urge,

[1:04:04] especially tomorrow, can you believe you

[1:04:07] start rains retreat with the lazy day?

[1:04:09] That's our tradition.

[1:04:11] You say, "Come on, where's the next

[1:04:12] class? Where you know, give me something

[1:04:14] to chew on, you know?"

[1:04:16] You start with laziness.

[1:04:19] That means tomorrow you get to practice

[1:04:22] frogglessness.

[1:04:24] Sit near the pond, look at the fish.

[1:04:28] Go sit at the edge of the mountain and

[1:04:30] let the flies crawl on you. Do whatever

[1:04:33] you do to waste your time.

[1:04:36] And guiltless, guiltless.

[1:04:38] Don't feel guilty.

[1:04:40] So, frogglessness,

[1:04:42] this is our practice.

[1:04:43] So, we offer that to you. And we will

[1:04:46] all be practicing together, okay?

[1:04:48] So, if you see me jumping around, say,

[1:04:51] "Brother Phap Dung, chill out.

[1:04:53] There's nothing to attain."

[1:04:56] >> [laughter]

[1:04:59] >> So, thank you. And I like to up this

[1:05:01] opportunity to also announce we have

[1:05:05] four Dharma teacher in

[1:05:08] training this rains retreat for For next

[1:05:11] year. They will be training to become

[1:05:14] Dharma teachers. And that's sister Chung

[1:05:16] Tang My Tang

[1:05:19] and sister Chung Tang My Vien.

[1:05:23] If uh I would hate to call them out

[1:05:25] here, but you find out who they are.

[1:05:29] Uh sister Chung

[1:05:31] sister Chung Tang Hai Chieu

[1:05:34] and then sister Chung

[1:05:36] Tang

[1:05:37] Rung San.

[1:05:39] And they are um the first three, My

[1:05:42] Tang, My Vien, and Hai Chieu, they're

[1:05:43] from the uh

[1:05:45] a family of uh

[1:05:48] a a yellow uh my lady plum, the yellow

[1:05:52] plum uh uh uh blossom.

[1:05:56] So, this is uh

[1:05:59] And uh Rung San, she's from uh Ngoc Lan,

[1:06:02] it's the the like a uh magnolia, small

[1:06:05] magnolia flower family.

[1:06:07] So, this is a a wonderful announcement.

[1:06:11] I don't know if it's wonderful for them,

[1:06:12] because now they get to go to all the

[1:06:14] Dharma teacher meetings, so uh good

[1:06:16] luck.

[1:06:17] >> [laughter]

[1:06:18] >> Thank you, everyone.

[1:06:21] What up?

[1:06:24] The brothers uh

[1:06:26] upper hamlet were announced by the Phu

[1:06:28] Huu. But here we have uh all the sage

[1:06:31] brother. Oh yeah, we have uh

[1:06:33] Sorry.

[1:06:34] We have brother Man Luong. We didn't

[1:06:35] announce it yet? On the brother's side,

[1:06:38] we have the sweet sage brother, brother

[1:06:40] uh

[1:06:41] Doi Man Luong, Doi Man Nhan, and Doi

[1:06:46] Man An. I saw him somewhere around here.

[1:06:49] Doi Man An, the three brothers that are

[1:06:51] from Deer Park. And two of them are go

[1:06:54] over being borrowed in Magnolia, so

[1:06:58] So, that's uh our tradition to to uh to

[1:07:02] You don't become a Dharma teacher,

[1:07:04] you're always training to be a Dharma

[1:07:06] teacher. You never become a Dharma

[1:07:08] teacher. Please remember that.

[1:07:11] We always in training.

[1:07:14] So, that's good.

[1:07:15] So, let's listen three sounds of bell.

[1:07:18] And breathe.

[1:07:20] And ask yourself,

[1:07:22] where is my mouse?

[1:07:24] Where is my frog?

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The rains retreat originated in the Buddha's time as a practical response to monsoon conditions in India, when wandering monks would cause harm to insects and animals while walking through mud. The practice formalized into a three-month period of staying in one place, studying, and reflecting. Thich Nhat Hanh revived this practice in his Western monasteries as a spiritual discipline and laboratory for intensive practice.
Shared living surfaces real friction—dishes, disagreements, different habits—that reveal the triggers and patterns of the mind. Rather than avoiding these triggers, the Plum Village tradition uses them as practice opportunities. The friction teaches practitioners to watch their minds, understand their habits, and practice presence rather than escape.
Applied Buddhism integrates mindfulness into daily life—the lab, the dishes, the shared meals—rather than pointing only toward outward activism. Thich Nhat Hanh refined this term from 'engaged Buddhism' to clarify that practice is not just external action but the real, lived integration of awareness into ordinary moments.
Brother Phap Dung teaches that AI and social algorithms are designed to trigger the reward systems evolution built into human brains, often without the user's awareness. Practicing mindfulness—especially in the intensity of a retreat—builds the capacity to notice when we're being manipulated and to make conscious choices rather than reactive ones.
No. While the full three-month practice is centered in monastic communities, lay practitioners can participate in abbreviated retreat forms at Plum Village centers and other meditation centers worldwide. The principles—staying still, noticing patterns, observing the mind—are available to anyone willing to practice.
The teaching invites you not to avoid the trigger but to witness it. Notice what's happening in your mind and body. Practice returning to the breath. The trigger is valuable information about your patterns; observing it without judgment is the path to freedom, not trying to escape or fix it.

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