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[0:00] Here's what's happening.
Archaeological Discoveries now,
[0:04] are, are being made that precede
that that 5000 year cycle. So
[0:11] when it first started happening,
scientists said, Oh, well, these
[0:15] are anomalies. So you know,
we've got we've got our history,
[0:19] and we're sure it's right. And
then here's an anomaly. And
[0:21] we'll put it over here. We'll
come back and look at it later.
[0:24] Well, now there are so many
anomalies, the anomalies are
[0:27] telling the new stories.
[0:38] I'd like to welcome back to the
show returning champion, Gregg
[0:41] Braden, how're you doing, Greg?
[0:42] Hey, well, thank you for that
warm introduction. It's good to
[0:45] start as a champion. today. I'm
doing well. I am coming to us
[0:49] before from our studio just
outside of the Santa Fe, New
[0:53] Mexico. And I've got to tell you
this day with us first day in
[0:56] two weeks, we haven't seen rain
and snow. So you brought some
[1:00] sunshine to the high desert. I'm
happy to be with you.
[1:02] I am glad. I'm glad I could help
you, sir. I'm glad I could help
[1:05] you. Our last conversation was
such a hit with our audience.
[1:08] And I think we made plans right
after our first conversation
[1:11] even before that other one was
released. We're like, we gotta
[1:14] keep talking, we have to have to
come back, we have to make
[1:16] something happen. So I
appreciate I know, you're very
[1:18] busy. Man, I appreciate you
coming back on the show. And
[1:20] today's conversation really
wanted to tackle something that
[1:23] you know a little bit about in
regards to ancient ancient
[1:28] civilizations, technologies of
ancient civilizations,
[1:31] spirituality, that space as
well. So I'll just start with a
[1:34] very easy question, who built
the pyramids?
[1:38] Well, so I'm gonna start off
start with an easy answer. To to
[1:44] lay a foundation? Sure, to the
answer to that question, if I
[1:48] can, you know, when, when I was
in school, back in the in the
[1:52] midwest of this big, beautiful
country, we live in 1950s 1960s.
[1:57] I was taught at that time, what
we are still teaching our
[2:02] children today. And that is that
civilization began in a in an
[2:09] isolated location in what today
we call the Tigris Euphrates
[2:13] Valley. And it began its
breeding the primitive state and
[2:18] evolved in a linear fashion
slowly, gradually over a long
[2:22] period of time, to what we have
today. The problem with that
[2:26] story, Alex is the evidence
doesn't support it. And there is
[2:30] still a there's a battle to
maintain what is called the
[2:36] standard model. When it comes to
our history when it comes to
[2:40] civilization when it comes to
science. When it comes to
[2:43] physics. When it comes to human
origins. There. There's a battle
[2:46] to maintain the static story.
Excuse me, it is developed, you
[2:51] know, in late 1800s, early
1900s, even though the evidence
[2:55] no longer supports it. So the
new the new discoveries are now
[2:58] telling us that rather than a
single cradle of civilization,
[3:03] excuse me in the Tigris
Euphrates, rather than a single
[3:07] cradle that there now appear to
have been at least five
[3:10] simultaneous cradles of
civilization. And some of those
[3:15] are very familiar to us. There
was one in China, there was one
[3:18] in the in the Tigris Euphrates
that was Mesopotamia. There is
[3:22] the Indus Valley, mysterious
technology has been found buried
[3:27] in the Indus Valley and what now
is India and Pakistan. There was
[3:33] a corral in northern Peru there
was Mesoamerica there was the
[3:39] the area and what we now call
the UK and Europe and that part
[3:44] of the world. So these five, or
depending on how you look at the
[3:49] maybe six simultaneous
civilizations out and Egypt,
[3:53] Egypt was certainly a part of
that. And that's this is a long
[3:56] answer to, to your question.
They appear to to have been
[4:01] simultaneous, there appears to
be a communication. There's a
[4:05] continuity of knowledge between
these civilizations in terms of
[4:10] agriculture, the ability to grow
large amounts of food in hostile
[4:14] environments to feed large
populations, certainly
[4:17] mathematics, certainly
architecture, multi storey
[4:21] buildings, it's no easy feat to
build these, these multi storey
[4:25] structures the way they were
built, and a knowledge of the
[4:28] cosmos that was so advanced Alex
in many instances, it was
[4:33] discounted is myth until the
20th century when our own
[4:38] satellites began telling us more
about the neighborhood that we
[4:42] live in our solar system
neighborhood and, and lo and
[4:45] behold, these ancient traditions
have it right on. So the
[4:49] question that comes up often is
where did these civilizations
[4:54] come from? And and I think the
answer to that question, maybe
[4:59] the answer to who built the
pyramids. So that's where I
[5:02] wanted to lay that that
foundation. What we know is that
[5:08] there. I'm a geologist by
degree, and I rarely get to use
[5:13] that, that degree anymore. With
a strong background and the life
[5:19] sciences, math, physics,
computer science, cosmology, and
[5:23] an archaeology. And I say that
once again, because it's that
[5:27] multidisciplinary background
that helps me to stay current in
[5:31] many different fields as new
fields of science as new
[5:34] discoveries are being revealed.
And I gotta tell you, what we're
[5:37] going to talk about in this
program, it's no secret in the
[5:40] scientific community. It is
simply there's there's a
[5:44] resistance to embracing it in
the mainstream. So mainstream
[5:48] textbooks mainstream classrooms,
and the reason is because the
[5:52] pushback from the religious
community from the political
[5:55] community, certainly from the,
the, the technological
[6:00] community, and, and much more so
what I'm saying to you is, is
[6:07] peer review that's out there in
the in the open literature is
[6:11] just not something that we often
hear about. So I'll I'll just
[6:16] the mystery is where did those
simultaneous advanced
[6:21] civilizations come from? And
that might be where we want to
[6:24] go with this but I'm gonna I'll
stop there and see if and cents
[6:28] and where I would go
[6:28] Yeah, we'd love Yeah, let's
let's dive into where these
[6:31] ancient civilizations come from.
Because it's, it is such a
[6:33] mystery to I mean, anyone who
has a logical mind to even look
[6:37] at the pyramids and and believe
the story that we've been told,
[6:41] it just doesn't make logical
sense.
[6:44] Let's let's talk about the
pyramids for a little bit, I
[6:46] have my my first opportunity. I
had studied the pyramids, since
[6:50] I was a kid, you know, I've been
fascinated by this stuff. You
[6:54] know, I was five years old, my
mom was helping me to read books
[6:56] by Edgar Casey about lost
civilizations, and, and we were
[7:01] memorizing the planets in the
solar system, and the names of
[7:03] the dinosaurs and the kings of
Egypt. So I've been fascinated
[7:07] by this stuff for a very long
time. My first journey into
[7:12] Egypt was 1986. And, and I was
just just astounded by what I
[7:21] saw. Now, that was a very
different Egypt from what we see
[7:24] today. There are a lot of places
now that are restricted, and
[7:28] they have been revamped, you
know, for public consumption. It
[7:33] was much more raw. Back in the
19, the 1980s 1990s. But the the
[7:41] pyramids, and we talked about
pyramids, there are pyramids all
[7:44] over the world. And it's the
similarity of those pyramids.
[7:48] That, that brings to mind the
question, where do they come
[7:52] from. But typically, when people
talk about pyramids, they're
[7:55] talking about three pyramids on
the Giza Plateau in Egypt, and
[8:01] interestingly, the largest of
those is called the Great
[8:04] Pyramid. And it's not the one
that people show in the
[8:07] pictures. Because the Great
Pyramid is does not have a
[8:10] capstone, it's flat on top that
capstone was lost. At some point
[8:15] in history. There's another one
of the three that does have a
[8:18] capstone, and that's the one
that that news anchors and
[8:22] television and movies, they
always call that the Great
[8:24] Pyramid. And it's not. But the
there are so many, we could do a
[8:28] whole program in the mysteries
of that single structure alone,
[8:31] it's over 400 feet tall. It is
made of massive blocks of
[8:37] limestone. When I was there, I
went back in 1989. And there was
[8:42] a scientific group that was
trying to recreate the Great
[8:45] Pyramid. And the first thing
that they discovered was that
[8:51] none of the equipment they were
using Caterpillar tractors and
[8:54] forklifts and things like that,
none of the equipment that we
[8:57] had, at that time could lift the
blocks, the 20 tonne blocks of
[9:02] the pyramid. So they had to go
to the Caterpillar Tractor
[9:06] Company, and and have
commissioned them to build a
[9:10] special device that they then
could use to build the pyramid.
[9:14] And after six months, the
Egyptian government told him to
[9:17] clean up their mess and go home,
they simply could not replicate
[9:21] the technology. The way when we
see that pyramid, what we're
[9:24] seeing, actually is is the part
of the structure was never meant
[9:28] to be seen. So there were
essentially three layers of the
[9:32] pyramids of Giza and the Great
Pyramid. The outer layer was
[9:37] encased in highly polished
limestone look like marble,
[9:42] white, that would have reflected
that light in just a magnificent
[9:45] way and there, there are only a
few layers of that left on one
[9:49] side at the bottom because it
has been stripped away, for
[9:54] convenience used in other
buildings throughout Cairo and
[10:00] other mosques and other
primarily in other mosques and
[10:04] other structures that are there.
So what we're seeing now is the
[10:08] inside that was never meant to
be seen. And these are the this
[10:12] the tiered limestone blocks. And
inside of that was built around
[10:16] a the rooms themselves are
granite, the King's Chamber, the
[10:20] Queen's Chamber, a massive,
massive, you know, 50 60 70 ton
[10:27] blocks that are so highly
polished. We can't do this with
[10:33] our technology today, they're,
they're less than 1/1000 of an
[10:38] inch of tolerance between the
stones, there's no mortar
[10:41] holding these together. And
they've been there for
[10:43] centuries, the mathematics
involves the mathematics, the
[10:47] circumference of the earth, and
the diameter of the Earth and
[10:50] the Earth's relationship to the
moon, our relationship to the
[10:54] magnetic fields of the planet. I
mean, it goes on and on and on.
[10:57] So the question is, how was it
done. And obviously, these were
[11:02] not primitive people that were
doing this. So when I was there
[11:06] in in 1989, another scientific
group was there, and they were
[11:11] given access, this the only time
this has ever happened, they
[11:16] were given access to the casing
stones that we see today and
[11:19] permission to drill core samples
into those casing stones,
[11:24] because when you do that you're
destroying the stone. So I've
[11:29] been part of it. So obviously,
it's not happening a lot. So
[11:33] they took the core samples, and
the I know, as a geologist, what
[11:37] you would expect to see if these
were naturally occurring
[11:40] limestone blocks taken from the
surrounding limestone in the
[11:45] area, there's a lot of limestone
in the area, you would expect in
[11:48] those core samples, to see what
you see a naturally occurring
[11:52] limestone, you would expect
laminations, you would expect
[11:56] microfossils maybe visible
fossils, because it was
[12:01] presumably from from ocean
bottom. And what they found in
[12:05] the core samples was just the
opposite that there, there were
[12:08] no laminations the entire block
appears to be homogeneous.
[12:14] That's not what you see in
nature, when nature is laying
[12:17] those, you know, year after year
after year, that the layers that
[12:21] go down, but they also found air
bubbles, they found insects and
[12:25] they found human hair. And and
what they when they did the
[12:30] chemical analysis, there were
chemicals in the blocks that do
[12:35] not occur naturally. So the
bottom line and and this is a
[12:37] mind blower, this is 1989 when
they found this is the question,
[12:44] how do they get massive blocks
of such high tolerance fitting
[12:49] perfectly 400 feet above the
surface? And, you know, I mean,
[12:52] if you watch the old movies in
Charlton Heston, you know,
[12:56] Exodus, what you see is, you
know, a million slaves with
[12:59] ropes and log rollers, and
they're rolling them up sand
[13:02] ramps and all that, you know,
and maybe that happened in some
[13:06] places later on that very
possibly could have happened
[13:08] later on. But that's not what
happened with the three
[13:11] pyramids, the great pyramids on
Giza, and what they found was
[13:16] what was published. And the
pushback was tremendous is that
[13:19] these stones are what are called
their artificial stone. And the
[13:25] way they were created is they
were in fact, the stone itself
[13:29] was mined from nearby limestone
quarries. It was then pulverized
[13:35] and mixed with a high tech e
poxy. That allowed it to be
[13:41] plastic, you know, kind of
molten or at least, you know,
[13:46] soft, poured into molds, and
then those molds there, it was
[13:52] hardened. And the molds were
poured on sight. So that's why
[13:56] you could pour one block next to
another and get 1/1000 of an
[13:59] inch tolerance. So you know, I
talked to people about this. I
[14:04] have I used to do a lot of
programs on this not so much
[14:06] anymore. But one of the
questions people say okay, well,
[14:10] you know, what's the big deal
artificial stone? Well, we
[14:13] didn't know really how to create
this. So there's another
[14:17] interesting story that goes with
this in 1990. Some of our
[14:21] viewers remember, the US was
about to invade Iraq, and what
[14:26] was called the First Gulf War. I
remember watching on TV, I was
[14:28] crying, watched it on TV, I
didn't want to see it happen.
[14:32] And there's a backstory to this
Saddam Hussein knew that he that
[14:36] America would well, everybody
knew because we broadcast that
[14:39] we were going to attack. He
contacted an American artist who
[14:45] was using the technology that
was used in the Great Pyramids.
[14:51] He contacted that artists
because he wanted that
[14:54] technology to harden his bunkers
before the the US forces
[15:00] attacked Iraq, he wanted that
the epoxy based stone so that he
[15:07] could harden those bunkers. And
us got wind of this US
[15:10] government and made it illegal
they forbade the the artist from
[15:17] sharing his patented technology
was Saddam Hussein, that would
[15:21] have actually harden those
bunkers against the shock and
[15:25] awe that we were doing so. So
the point is the technology that
[15:29] was used to build the pyramids
was so advanced, we weren't even
[15:32] really doing it until the 20th
century, and and it had military
[15:36] applications that were
recognized pretty quickly.
[15:39] And we still don't do it. And we
still aren't using it heavily in
[15:42] our construction or anything
like that right now.
[15:44] No, no, I think there are some
artists that are using this, but
[15:47] but you don't see it in
construction. So so this was a
[15:51] mind blower to the, to the
scientific community 1989
[15:55] Because all the textbooks say
those blocks were carved, and
[15:59] then somehow mysteriously moved
in into place. Now we go down,
[16:04] just adjacent to the Giza
Plateau is the Great Sphinx. And
[16:08] I know most of our viewers are
familiar with the Sphinx. And as
[16:11] a geologist, I was fascinated
when I went there in 86, because
[16:16] what is what you see on the back
of the sphinx on the rump, and
[16:22] this is a view that you don't
often get, and you know, in
[16:25] mainstream, they're always
looking either a profile or
[16:28] right on the face. But what you
see is there there, first of
[16:32] all, the Sphinx is carved from
in place from a limestone bluff
[16:38] that was in place. So it's, it's
like there was a solid limestone
[16:43] bluff, and the Sphinx was
carved, and then all the empty
[16:49] space around it is where the
rock was cleared and moved away.
[16:54] To, to so that the Sphinx looks
like this isolated, you know,
[16:58] standing structure. So it was it
was actually carved in place.
[17:03] When you go around to the back
of the sphinx on the rump, you
[17:05] see erosion marks, that are
about 12 feet deep in some
[17:10] places, where it's limestone,
limestone is a sedimentary rock.
[17:15] And when there are some parts of
the limestone that are more
[17:19] resistant than others, and the
softer parts are what gets
[17:23] eroded away creating these
erosion marks. Well, there was a
[17:27] there is a geologist from Boston
University, Robert Schoch. And I
[17:30] know many people are familiar
with his work now. Because of
[17:35] the Charlton Heston, special
Charlton Heston did did a
[17:38] special on the Great Sphinx. And
Robert Schoch was the first one
[17:44] that credibly question the age
of the sphinx from a geologic
[17:49] perspective. And what he did was
he looked at those erosion marks
[17:53] the same ones I'm looking at.
And he said, Well, this is
[17:58] obviously fluvial erosion. The
term fluvial means high, it's
[18:04] based on water, and it would
take high amounts of water
[18:08] moving quickly over long periods
of time to create that kind of
[18:13] erosion. Up until that time, the
scientists had called it Aeolian
[18:19] erosion, which means it was
wind, wind blowing, you know,
[18:23] sand like sandpaper and cutting
it away. Robert Schoch said no,
[18:28] it's obvious this is fluvial
erosion. And here's here's where
[18:33] the kicker comes in the only
time that there has been that
[18:38] kind of water, high amounts fast
moving water over long periods
[18:42] of time. predates anything our
textbooks are talking about when
[18:49] it comes to the the pyramids,
we're told the pyramids were
[18:52] built approximately 45 4500
Maybe 5000 years ago. And the
[19:01] water that would be required for
that erosion has not been seen
[19:04] since the melting of the ice at
the end of the last Ice Age,
[19:08] which is right around between
sorry, around 12 13,000 years BP
[19:14] before present. So if that is
the case, it means the structure
[19:19] had to already be existing at 12
to 13,000 BP. It had to be older
[19:26] than that. And this is this is
where the problems are coming in
[19:30] today. Now, as a geologist, I
was a member of a geologic
[19:34] organization, double APG
American Association of
[19:38] petroleum geologists was the the
term but it's about more than
[19:42] petroleum. And they have a
journal, a peer reviewed journal
[19:46] that comes out Robert Schoch
published his findings in double
[19:49] APG and the scientist, the real
scientists, not the pop
[19:53] scientists. They looked at that
data and they said of course, of
[19:57] course this is fluvial erosion
of course. worse, it had to have
[20:01] happened, you know, 12 13,000
years before present, they
[20:06] accepted it no problem. The
geologists have no problem that
[20:10] historians have a horrible
problem, because it means the
[20:14] history is wrong. And the
evidence, the evidence no longer
[20:19] supports the history.
[20:21] And what I find fascinating,
Greg is that the the pyramids,
[20:25] which was supposed to be the
oldest of all of them, it seems
[20:29] to two things. One, it's it was
said it was a king's chamber,
[20:34] yet there has never been,
there's nothing that's ever
[20:37] proven that at all, they've
never found a corpse. There's no
[20:40] higher glyphs, it completely
goes against every other tomb
[20:43] we've ever found. And to it
seems that that technology keeps
[20:48] getting worse. So the pyramids,
as they get closer to our time
[20:52] period, seem to degrade almost,
in the style that they're being
[20:56] built, they should be getting
better. And there should be more
[20:59] of them out there. Right?
[20:59] Well, this is true, Alex, and is
something this is not ice, well,
[21:03] first, I'm just gonna back up
the way that they have dated the
[21:08] pyramids, you cannot date
something that has not been
[21:12] alive, you can only carbonate,
something that has been living,
[21:18] breathing oxygen, carbon based
life, so stone cannot be carbon
[21:24] dated. The way that they have
dated these pyramids, is by
[21:28] estimating through, you know,
who was the king at what period
[21:33] of time, and you know, whose
face is on a statue or something
[21:39] like that. And then here, I
mean, this makes no sense at
[21:42] all. They also have found mice
and rats inside the pyramid that
[21:50] are dead and mummified, and they
carbon date those dead mice and
[21:55] rats, they might date to a four
or 5000 years before present.
[22:00] There is nothing linking that
dead rat to the origin of the
[22:05] pyramid. I mean, the rat could
have come in 1000 years ago, you
[22:08] know, inside of the pyramid. But
this is this is where the
[22:11] scientific community, they've
got the story and they want to
[22:14] stick with it. And they're this
is what I said the beginning,
[22:17] there's a battle for what is
called the standard model. And
[22:22] they had this all nice and
buttoned up nice and tidy, you
[22:27] know about the kings and the
eras. So where all this is
[22:32] leading if the Sphinx was
already existing when the ice
[22:37] melted, and if the Great Pyramid
was made using technology and
[22:43] incorporating mathematics that
are so sophisticated, we didn't
[22:47] know it until recently, where
did that come from? All of this
[22:51] is pointing to, and it's
something I've talked about
[22:54] extensively, is that
civilization appears to be
[22:59] cyclic, rather than linear. So
the linear model is what we're
[23:04] teaching our kids, we began in
ancient Sumerian Mesopotamia,
[23:08] 5050 500 years ago. And you
know, then you've got, you know,
[23:13] Rome and Greece and, and all of
that. Well, all of that happens
[23:18] to have occurred within the most
recent cycle. That began about
[23:24] 5000 years ago. And what the
mathematics with the archaeology
[23:29] is showing is that our history
appears to be closely correlated
[23:37] to 5125 year long cycles. And
there are five 5125 year cycles
[23:49] that make up one big cycle
called the precession of the
[23:52] equinox. And I know some of our
astronomers and astrologers are
[23:56] familiar with that. For 20, it's
about 26,000 years, it is
[24:01] related to the way that Earth
is, relates to the sun and to
[24:07] the way that all I don't want to
get too deep with all of this,
[24:10] but the our relationship to our
solar system and the Milky Way.
[24:16] And if those of you that
remember the 2012 phenomenon,
[24:21] you know, that's what this was
all about. 2012 was the end of
[24:26] of the last, the fifth 5125 year
long cycle, and the beginning of
[24:33] a new age, a new a new cycle
that we're in right now. So when
[24:39] you plot that out, I didn't know
we're going to talk about this,
[24:42] I would have brought some slides
when you plot that out on a
[24:45] graph when you look at these
5000 year cycles. So here we are
[24:49] today. 2012, the beginning of a
new cycle, or the end of one
[24:54] that began 5000 years ago. Well
here's here's what's happening,
[24:58] archaeological discoveries now.
Are are being made that precede
[25:05] that that 5000 year cycle. So
when it first started happening,
[25:10] scientists said, Oh, well, these
are anomalies. So you know,
[25:14] we've got we've got our history,
and we're sure it's right. And
[25:16] then here's an anomaly. And
we'll put it over here. We'll
[25:18] come back and look at it later.
Well, now there are so many
[25:22] anomalies, the anomalies are
telling the new story. So you've
[25:25] got places like the Gulf of
combat in India, it's a three
[25:30] mile long, five mile wide,
submerged city, it's under 120
[25:35] feet of water. 9500 years before
present, very sophisticated
[25:40] archeology, we've got Gobekli
Teppei. In Turkey, that is still
[25:45] being excavated, and is now over
13,000 years before present. Now
[25:51] that the ice is melting in
Antarctica, the satellites are
[25:55] showing complex, massive,
complex structures. These aren't
[26:00] like little log cabins or, you
know, pit houses. I mean, these
[26:04] are massive structures. The ice
has been there for 20,000 years.
[26:10] So the question is, who is
building complex architectural
[26:13] structures 20,000 years ago in
Antarctica? Well, when you plot
[26:17] those, what you're finding is
Rome and Greece and Caroll,
[26:23] Peru, that is the most recent
5000 year cycle. So what we've
[26:28] been studying, and what we've
been teaching ourselves and our
[26:31] children is not the history of
the world forever. It's the
[26:34] history of the world in the most
recent cycle. Now we've got to
[26:38] start looking the 5000 year
cycle before that, where we see
[26:42] corolle in Peru, which is now
dated, it's the oldest,
[26:47] technologically advanced
civilization in all of the
[26:49] Americas. It's older than the
Inca than the Aztec than the old
[26:53] Mac than the Toltec. It's older
than anything, we've got to
[26:57] rewrite all the history books.
And next to it, another site has
[27:01] been found that's even older
there. We're told civilization
[27:05] began 5000 years ago, that's
when these ended, these
[27:09] civilizations ended when we're
told that civilization began. So
[27:14] that's a 5000 year cycle. Now
you go back, and you look at
[27:17] Gobekli Tepe A, so so we've got
today back to about 5000 years,
[27:23] 5000 years to 10,000 years is
another 5000 year cycle. And
[27:27] that's, you know, all the things
shot tall you can in Turkey and
[27:32] Corolla, and all those. Now,
we're looking Gobekli Tepe at
[27:35] 13,000. So now we're looking at
another, we're looking at
[27:39] another 5000 year cycle, and now
we're looking at Antarctica,
[27:42] another 5000 years cycle. So the
evidence strongly supports
[27:48] cyclic civilization. And the
question is what happens every
[27:51] 5000 years? Why did those
civilizations why do we lose the
[27:55] memory lose the knowledge of
those civilizations? And what
[27:59] happened? Before those
simultaneous those, those five
[28:05] or six simultaneous
civilizations? Where did they
[28:08] come from? Where did the
knowledge for those come from?
[28:11] And all of that leads to a the
understanding that there have
[28:17] been great catastrophes in our
past, and one of those now is
[28:23] hotly contested. But the
evidence is very strong for a
[28:27] common impact, during what is
called the Pleistocene geologic
[28:33] era, as we were coming out of
the last ice age, and that that
[28:39] comet plunged us back into an
ice age. And that brought an end
[28:46] to a great advanced civilization
that existed on Earth, the
[28:50] remnants from that became those
five simultaneous civilizations,
[28:56] the remnants, became, you know,
the pyramids in Egypt and China
[29:02] and induce Valley and all that.
And this is why they had such
[29:06] similar mathematics,
architecture, cosmology and
[29:10] things like that. So we just
covered a whole lot of ground.
[29:12] I'll stop and let's let's go
into the missing pieces here.
[29:15] Well, I mean, I've studied, I'm
assuming you obviously know
[29:19] about the yugas. The Yuga cycles
from the, from the yogi script
[29:24] as well, who wrote or any
literally laid out exactly what
[29:28] you're saying that 26,000 year
cycle. And the way they lay it
[29:32] out is that there is advanced
knowledge than we lose it. Then
[29:36] we come back to it and
everywhere between there's like
[29:38] little jumps here and there, but
and we're now on an upward swing
[29:43] towards our new our new cycle
is, obviously we're advancing
[29:47] technology technologically,
we're advancing spiritually,
[29:50] even we're advancing even the
last, hopefully in the last 30
[29:53] or 40 years, how much we've
advanced. It is a fascinating
[29:58] idea to think about what is it
Where we were coming from and,
[30:02] and I don't want to get into why
everyone's fighting this in the
[30:06] status quo, but it's ego and
other things like that. But the
[30:10] main one question I'd love to
talk to you about because it has
[30:12] not really been talked about
publicly a lot. Antarctica, I've
[30:16] seen these these satellite
images of these massive
[30:20] structures that could arguably,
as they say, pyramids, that are
[30:25] bigger than the grip much
bigger. Tell me what you tell me
[30:28] what you've learned?
[30:29] No, I've seen them as well. So
Antarctica is is a mystery, for
[30:35] a number of reasons. Number one,
it is supposed to be
[30:37] international property that no
one owns. And there were
[30:43] agreements signed in the early
20th century, that would not be
[30:46] militarized. We signed those
same agreements for space, and
[30:51] we signed them for the moon. And
both of those have been violated
[30:54] we, we have militarized space,
we have weapons in space. And
[30:59] there's a lot of controversy
about what has been done on on
[31:02] the lunar surface and how it's
been done. The same goes with
[31:05] Antarctica, we know that China
has their military base, Germany
[31:09] has theirs. Russia has theirs
The United States has there's
[31:14] we've obviously militarized
Antarctica, what has happened
[31:22] since the global warming and as
a geologist, I'll just say
[31:25] straight up global warming is a
fact that we've been talking
[31:27] about, we were given people a
heads up that we should be
[31:31] moving into a warming cycle,
humans didn't cause it, we've
[31:34] contributed to it. But if there
are no humans, we would still be
[31:37] the geologic record shows, you
know, we would still be in a
[31:40] warming cycle. So so the warming
is happening, and it is melting
[31:45] this two miles of ice that has
been there for about 20,000
[31:51] years. And as that began to
happen, it began to expose these
[31:56] complex structures. Now, one of
the first things I learned as an
[32:00] as a student of archaeology, is
that Nature never builds in 90
[32:05] degree angles, right. And, you
know, you won't see a river,
[32:10] like coming down, they've been,
you know, doing one of these
[32:13] things, and, and you don't see
wind eroding in a 90 degree
[32:17] angle. So one of the first
things you look for if you're
[32:20] looking on another planet, or if
you're looking, you know, for
[32:24] Lost Civilizations here on
Earth, as you begin looking for
[32:28] these 90 evidence of 90 degree
angles in, in architecture, and
[32:33] what began showing up in
Antarctica, and again, this
[32:36] isn't like a little one room pit
house. These are massive,
[32:40] complex structures with room
after room after room after
[32:43] room, within rooms within rooms.
And once those This was around
[32:50] 2016 2017, then Google Earth,
pixelated all of that out. And
[32:57] if you go to look at an article
right now, you will not see any
[33:00] of that. However, I've got pre
pixelated images, showing where
[33:06] you can compare that the same
areas, so they don't want us
[33:09] seeing what what it is that is
is there. Why my sent? Well, a
[33:15] couple of reasons. First of all,
it messes up the story.
[33:18] Remember, there's a battle,
there's a battle for what's
[33:22] called the standard model of
history. The standard model says
[33:26] we began primitive about 5000
years ago. And slowly,
[33:31] gradually, we've evolved into
the pinnacle of sophistication
[33:35] that we have today. And it's
only happened once. What the
[33:39] cyclic model shows is that there
are different kinds of
[33:44] technologies Alex and and you
can have an advanced technology
[33:49] and not have it based in
transistors and resistors. There
[33:53] are other kinds of technologies.
And my sense is that if these
[33:58] technologies, so I'm gonna go
back as a geologist, once again,
[34:04] the catastrophic event theory
that now has a lot of evidence
[34:10] of a common impact. So here's
let me I'll just lay the ground
[34:13] here is what was happening. We
were coming in the Pleistocene,
[34:16] we were coming out of the Ice
Age and Earth was was beginning
[34:20] to warm as as it would cycle
good. All of a sudden, and this
[34:25] is quick. You see this drop,
where the the temperatures on
[34:31] the planet drop quickly and we
plunge into briefly into another
[34:37] ice age. But what also happens
during that time, is there's a
[34:41] rapid rise in sea levels that
are happening at the same time.
[34:46] It doesn't make a lot of sense
until you begin to look at the
[34:48] evidence it appears that this
comment that impacted scientists
[34:53] have been resistant to accept
this theory, because they'd say
[34:57] for something that big, you'd
have to leave a big hole In the
[35:00] ground, there, assuming it was
one piece that hit Earth, what
[35:05] we now know is there were some
big pieces. And they have now
[35:08] found the craters in Greenland
and Newfoundland. But now they
[35:12] have found hundreds and hundreds
and hundreds of smaller craters
[35:18] all the way from Greenland and
Newfoundland, all the way down
[35:22] across Europe down into South
Africa. And when they go to do
[35:27] the, the geologic testing of the
craters, what they find are high
[35:32] amounts of standalone platinum.
This is important because first
[35:37] of all, Platinum is a rare
element to begin with. When you
[35:41] find it on Earth, it is
generally with another mineral
[35:44] called iridium. Iridium is in
transition metal in the platinum
[35:47] family. There is no iridium,
suggesting and scientists now
[35:52] they say this in the open
literature. This is of
[35:55] extraterrestrial origin. It's
not terrestrial geology, it's
[35:59] out it's it's incoming. So so
this comet broke up, and
[36:04] scattered hundreds and hundreds,
maybe 1000s of these craters.
[36:09] And when that happened, the ice
in in the northern hemisphere,
[36:15] most of North America, most of
northern Europe, like northern
[36:20] latitudes was covered in ice.
There's what was called an ice
[36:23] wall that was holding back large
amounts of water that was from
[36:28] the melt. This comet brought a
rapid intense heat, that was
[36:34] enough to melt that ice wall.
And there was a rapid infusion
[36:40] of water. So first of all it was
it had a different salinity than
[36:46] the ocean, different temperature
it infused into the Atlantic and
[36:51] we can see this we have records
of this sea levels rose in some
[36:55] places, 200 feet, if you can
imagine to the 200 foot sea
[36:58] level rise. In a very
[37:02] Disney World's gone, Disney
World's gone,
[37:04] Oh man, well, most of the
coastal areas are gone. And and
[37:08] so all of this happened in a
really, really very compressed
[37:12] period of time during a
mysterious time called the
[37:15] dryer. You guys are the the not
the yugas the Younger Dryas
[37:23] we're talking about the Hindu
yugas it's called the Younger
[37:26] Dryas. dryas is the name of a
flower that you typically see in
[37:31] certain climatic conditions. And
when that flower began to to
[37:36] appear, in the ways that did
that was where this came from.
[37:40] So so there's a little period of
time called the Younger Dryas
[37:43] that, my my friend, have a
couple of friends that have done
[37:48] a lot of document documentation
on this. And, you know, there's
[37:55] some pushback on it, if people
watching the video, Netflix
[37:58] series or anything like that,
you know, they're talking about
[38:02] Graham Hancock, has done the
Netflix series. I don't know if
[38:06] you saw this last week, the
archaeological association is
[38:11] now petitioning to have the
series if if Netflix is going to
[38:18] hold it, they would prefer they
not show it, if they're going to
[38:20] show it, they want them to
reclassify it from a
[38:24] documentary, they don't want to
call the documentary, they now
[38:27] want to call it science fiction.
Even though Yeah, because
[38:32] because it is now the most
popular, and most viewed episode
[38:38] or series on Netflix. And it's
giving a lot of people a lot of
[38:43] ideas about about our past. So
it, it changes the story. But
[38:47] now back to Antarctica. And the
reason I talked about the the
[38:51] influx of the water and the
dropping of the temperature
[38:53] quickly. If this was a highly
advanced, technologically
[38:58] sophisticated civilization, the
change that we saw happen so
[39:03] quickly, there's a good chance
that whatever technology they
[39:07] were using is still there, it
was preserved, they didn't have
[39:09] time, to, you know, to Carter
the way or anything. I mean,
[39:15] this, this is a very quick
event. And that technology
[39:19] threatens the status quo of the
technology that we have today,
[39:24] obsolete technologies like
internal combustion engines and
[39:27] the burning the burning of
fossil fuels to create energy. I
[39:31] mean, those have served us and
we have made great advancements
[39:35] based upon that. And we're at a
point now where I'm amazed that
[39:40] we're still using internal
combustion energy and, and still
[39:44] burning stuff, to you know, to
create that kind of energy. So I
[39:50] think this is the reason that
they're trying to cover this up.
[39:53] You know, there was a film crew
from Los Angeles, there was some
[39:57] university students and there
were some professionals that
[40:00] went down to document what was
happening. And they have not
[40:03] been heard from since they've
disappeared. They their families
[40:09] suspect that they have found
some of these bases and are
[40:13] simply Antarctica and Antarctica
that they are are being held.
[40:19] They're not. I don't they don't
know that they have died. But
[40:23] they if they were successful
playing the basis, they probably
[40:26] would not have been allowed to
leave. So. So Antarctica, a lot
[40:32] of mystery happening around
Antarctica, and there's a lot of
[40:34] diversion away from that.
Mainstream doesn't want to talk
[40:38] about it. They've been told not
to talk about that. So
[40:41] Well, well, let me ask you this,
because the Younger Dryas which
[40:44] Yeah, Graham Hancock is doing
good doing the Lord's work in
[40:48] many ways, doing what he's doing
over these years. And that
[40:51] documentary series has been,
it's kind of like ignited a
[40:54] whole conversation about this.
Yeah. But the Antarctica stuff
[40:58] has not been talked about too
much. If there is these these,
[41:03] these structures that are being
shown after the melt? How,
[41:08] because we're not this is beyond
the Younger Dryas. This is this
[41:11] is deep into Antarctica. So that
means that that that's been
[41:14] there for a long period of time.
What is your estimation?
[41:18] Well, this is this is where it
gets really interesting. Where
[41:22] is there a mother civilization
or a father civilization,
[41:27] depending on how you want to
look at this indigenous
[41:30] traditions i for? for over 40
years, I've led groups into the
[41:36] Andes of southern Peru. We're
actually in September, we're
[41:38] getting ready to take up it'll
be my 39th trip and 36 years. In
[41:45] the Peru, we haven't been since
COVID. It's been the indigenous.
[41:49] Yeah, the indigenous populations
have not had really much outside
[41:53] contact since COVID. Their
traditions, whether we're
[41:58] talking about the southern
Andes, or we're talking about
[42:01] the aboriginals, or in Papua New
Guinea, or Australia, or New
[42:05] Zealand, or you know, the
American desert Southwest, the
[42:11] Navajo, the Hopi, they all talk
about previous worlds, they all
[42:15] say that they are the the
remnant that emerged from a
[42:20] previous civilization, and they
almost universally, all of the
[42:25] stories as different as the
traditions are from one another.
[42:28] They all tell the story of the
great flood. Presumably this
[42:32] flood is the resulting of a
rapid melting of the ice and the
[42:36] rising of the sea levels. And
what that what that does, is
[42:42] when this when the ice, there
was a time about 30% during the
[42:47] Pleistocene, about 30% of, of
the surface area of the Earth
[42:53] was covered in ice. And what
that does, where that ice comes
[42:57] from, it's seawater. If it's not
in the sea, that means the sea
[43:00] levels are lower, because the
waters locked up in the ice. If
[43:05] the water is lower, it is
exposing land that connects
[43:09] continents land bridges, like
between Alaska and Siberia, for
[43:14] example, where humans could
presumably walk and the same
[43:21] The Philippine Islands we're all
big landmass.
[43:24] Exactly, exactly. So when you go
back far enough the indigenous
[43:28] traditions talk about a
continent and there are
[43:30] different names for this we've
all heard of these we've heard
[43:32] of the Moriah in the Pacific,
James church word and late night
[43:39] 1800s, early 1900s linked that
with the Lost Cause of mu which
[43:44] would have extended from Hawaii
is is the high part that remains
[43:49] above water today. Down to to
the Malaysian Islands to the to
[43:58] the west and then down to Easter
Island to the south. Those were
[44:03] all part of this massive
continent and advanced
[44:09] civilization in the Pacific on
the Atlantic side of course we
[44:12] hear about Atlantis and the the
technology and what happened
[44:18] there well as again as a
geologist is interesting because
[44:22] on the Atlantic side where
Atlantis where Plato says
[44:26] Atlantis was is exactly at a
place where three of the
[44:31] continental plates come is to
triple junction for the
[44:35] continental plates, the African
plate the North American plate
[44:38] and the the the northern plate
to the side. When those plates
[44:45] come together, not only are are
they often subducted one goes
[44:50] under another like right now.
The Pacific Plate is being
[44:53] subducted by the North American
plate. And that means the
[44:58] Pacific plate is moving
underneath North amid Erika to
[45:00] the east. So I'm in New Mexico,
just outside of Santa Fe,
[45:05] Colorado Rockies, the mountain
ranges that we see that is the
[45:09] leading edge of the Pacific
plate. So in other words, if if
[45:13] I drilled far enough down from
my studio right now, I would
[45:18] actually hit the Pacific plate
because it's being subducted.
[45:21] That happens sometimes. What
also happens in a triple
[45:25] junction like this is there's an
undulation that happens over
[45:28] time. And and both of those
appear to be what is happening
[45:34] precisely the place where
Atlantis was said to have
[45:38] existed. And maybe this is the
answer to the question that
[45:41] began this conversation. When
Atlantis submerged pretty
[45:46] quickly, the sea levels rose and
they lost everything. And they
[45:49] sent people, they sent survivors
into what they call the four
[45:56] corners of the world, with the
knowledge that they had gained.
[46:00] They didn't have the tools, but
they had the knowledge and they
[46:02] tried to replicate that in with
the materials and the tools that
[46:06] they had. So. So this may be the
answer to the question, Where
[46:13] did this knowledge come from.
And it all links back to a
[46:18] catastrophic event that was was
not foreseen, even by an
[46:23] advanced civilization, that
obviously they had the knowledge
[46:27] they knew about the cosmos and
the stars and our relationship
[46:31] to the stars, were Antarctica
may be a little bit different,
[46:35] is it appears to have been even
older than these other
[46:40] civilizations. And the the
indigenous traditions, the
[46:46] stories, the cultural stories,
say that there was a link to our
[46:51] cosmic family through
Antarctica, and there have been
[46:54] reports from people who have,
you know, insiders that have
[47:00] come through whistleblowers and
things like that, that not only
[47:04] is there are the Advanced
Structures, but possibly craft
[47:09] that were stuck in the ice, you
know, when this happened, and if
[47:14] that's the case, then that
implies technology that can be
[47:19] reverse engineered that could,
could forever free us from the
[47:24] shackles of the fear and black
and the scarcity of the kinds of
[47:30] technology that were that were
offered today. Things like
[47:34] finite finite in all the
technologies that technology is
[47:38] bringing us together right now.
And the reason that the Green
[47:41] Revolution is not going to work,
is because it is based upon the
[47:47] use of 17 rare earth elements in
just a couple of locations on
[47:53] Earth, right now, in nations
that are not sometimes so
[47:58] friendly to the west. And it's a
finite, it's a relatively small
[48:03] to finite supply of these rare
earth minerals, to make the
[48:06] batteries to make the copper to
make the solar panels and things
[48:11] like they're good stepping
stone, we I think we need to
[48:14] embrace them to move to a more
sustainable form, but they are
[48:18] not going to be the answer. And
they could be that when we find
[48:23] whatever is hidden in
Antarctica, that it offers that
[48:28] technology. And that might be
one of the reasons why it's it's
[48:32] not being shared right now. It
ties into disclosure. And the
[48:35] reason that all the disclosure
is not as forthcoming. So I
[48:40] don't think anybody is surprised
that we're, we have a cosmic
[48:43] family. I mean, we, you know, I
think that's pretty broadly
[48:46] accepted. But the implications
of it advanced technology, and
[48:51] what it would mean, to our world
today, from my perspective, it
[48:56] could be a beautiful thing that
frees us in in a way that does
[49:01] just that it allows sovereignty
for the individual and for
[49:06] society, and that is in direct
opposition to the attempts to
[49:12] subjugate and control that are
being levied right now through
[49:17] through technology. So yeah,
well, I mean, long answer to a
[49:22] short question.
[49:22] Well, I mean, it's it's you
know, if tomorrow morning
[49:26] someone woke up and said, Oh, I
discovered how we could get free
[49:28] energy. It would be stopped
instantly. It I mean, look, even
[49:33] the electric car in the early
2000s came out and it was
[49:36] working fine. And then they said
no, no, no, this doesn't work
[49:39] with our business model and they
pulled it off the market. I
[49:42] mean, it's it's you know, the
[49:44] You know, Alex I'm gonna save my
my first job out of college. I
[49:48] was hired. I was a geology major
geophysics major. I was hired in
[49:55] the industry without my degree,
initially, because I also had a
[50:00] parallel background in computer
science. And in the 70s, that
[50:03] was pretty much unheard of
computers were in, they took up
[50:07] a whole room, very few people
knew how to talk to a computer.
[50:11] And I was pretty good programmer
in the early programming
[50:14] languages. And I was hired by an
energy company and I finished my
[50:19] degree going knights once I was
working there. One of the first
[50:24] things that I saw when I was
there is that this was 1978 79
[50:32] is that there was a carburetor
that would allow a gas guzzling
[50:39] vehicle to get over 90 miles to
the gallon. And this is a 1970s.
[50:45] And that carburetor threatens
the energy industry, because if
[50:50] all of a sudden cars are giving
90 miles to the gallon, you're
[50:53] not going to use as much gas
sales are going to drop. So they
[50:56] bought, they bought up that
patent, and they sat on it, and
[50:59] to the best of my knowledge,
they're still sitting on it, it
[51:02] has never, we're not using
carburetors. Now we have
[51:04] electric I mean, the same way,
you know, we've got electronic
[51:06] ignition and, and different
kinds of engines. But but that
[51:11] was an example of where a
technology was developed to
[51:14] threaten the status quo, and to,
to subdue it if they just bought
[51:19] it outright, and never never
used it. But this is this is
[51:23] where we are. And this is this
conversation about the ancient
[51:26] civilizations. It's not
happening in a vacuum. It is
[51:30] happening within the context of
a crossroad. Here we are as a
[51:33] civilization at a crossroad,
where we're being threatened the
[51:40] freedoms that allow our
creativity and our intuition and
[51:45] our imagination, to create great
and beautiful things to free us
[51:50] as, as a society to free us as a
species. Those are all now
[51:57] facing the just the opposite the
technology that wants to control
[52:03] that wants to, to take away the
sovereignty that we've had. So
[52:11] for a lot of different reasons.
And we're seeing this through
[52:14] social media, of course, we're
seeing it through the transhuman
[52:17] movement, the the movement, that
believes that we are flawed, as
[52:24] a species that we need to
replace our biology, with
[52:27] artificial intelligence, with,
with gadgets, with computer
[52:31] chips in the brain to be to be
more efficient. All this is part
[52:35] of the bigger conversation. And
I think what it invites all of
[52:39] us to do we've all got to come
to terms with what what is it
[52:43] that we value? What values do we
cherish as individuals? What
[52:52] values do we cherish as families
as communities and societies as
[52:56] nations as as a species, and
we've got to claim those values
[53:02] now because that is what is
being threatened. And the the
[53:06] the hiding of the truth, the
hiding of advanced technology,
[53:12] the hiding of our extraordinary
potentials within our own
[53:16] bodies, super immune system,
super cognition, super memory,
[53:21] super learning all the things
that we're told we need gadgets,
[53:26] or we need chemicals to do, our
bodies do it even better, all
[53:30] the gadgets and the chemicals
are mimicking what we already do
[53:33] in ourselves, except that we do
it better. And those are the
[53:36] kinds of things that that are at
stake. Right now we're at this
[53:41] very, very powerful crossroad,
where if we, it's not going to
[53:46] last forever, this is moving
quickly in one generation, we
[53:50] either choose to cherish and
value our humaneness and our
[53:54] sovereignty and our freedom, or
we're going to lose it as a
[53:57] species. And this, this is how
you lose a species will become a
[54:01] hybrid technology, biological
species, where emotions are bred
[54:09] out of our existence because
they're inefficient. Where are
[54:13] memories that don't serve us
become a thing of the distant
[54:18] past, this is exactly what the
technology is doing now. And so
[54:22] the conversation about ancient
civilizations is important.
[54:26] Because it tells us we do have a
history you've been here longer
[54:29] than we've been led to believe.
We've had advanced technology in
[54:32] the past we had to, to see the
kinds of things that we're
[54:36] seeing right now. And I think
ultimately what it says is if we
[54:42] have had these in the past, and
we as a species if we if we have
[54:47] built great and beautiful things
together as a species and then
[54:52] something happened and we lost
all of that. If we came together
[54:57] as a family as a global family
how far We go this time, with
[55:02] everything that we have now,
we've got all that we need to
[55:05] create the evolutionary edge, so
that we not just survived that
[55:09] we thrive through all of the
things that we're seeing right
[55:13] now all the war, all the climate
change, all the social change
[55:17] all the political change, that
we've got to claim those values,
[55:21] I think and make those values
the foundation of all the all
[55:25] the policies and all the laws
and all the choices. So. So
[55:29] that's my soapbox. And, and
that's why I think the past is
[55:32] important, Alex, because if we
don't know who we are, and where
[55:35] we've come from, and we've made
mistakes in the past, we're
[55:39] going to repeat those with the
cycles as as they come again.
[55:43] Great. You know, I could talk to
you for at least another five or
[55:46] six hours, please, please
promise to come back. And we
[55:49] have another deep conversation
about many of the things we kind
[55:52] of touched upon in this one.
[55:54] Well, thank you, I want to ask
you, so you and I are having
[55:56] this conversation. Have you had
this conversation with other
[55:58] guests?
[55:59] I've dabbled in it. And it's
it's an area that I want to
[56:02] start touching more upon,
because my audience based on our
[56:05] last conversations, which we
touched upon certain aspects of
[56:09] it. We also talked about
simulation theory and other
[56:11] things like that. It is
something that I people are
[56:13] super interested in and super
fascinated in. And I think it's
[56:16] something that not only talks
about our, our past as a
[56:21] species, but the implications
spiritually that it has for
[56:24] everybody and where we've been
spiritually, where we've in
[56:28] evolution of our, of our soul
and our spirituality through
[56:33] throughout the, you know,
hundreds of 1000s of years even.
[56:37] That is something I'm really
interested in kind of diving,
[56:39] and we don't even touch the
spirituality aspect at all.
[56:41] So can we go Can we go till 10?
After the hour?
[56:44] Please, please! No, yeah. long
as you'd like, sir.
[56:48] No, I, I did a quick text. I
apologize. I texted while you
[56:52] were speaking just to let my
next interview know, I'd be a
[56:55] few minutes late. Appreciate
that. When we talk about
[56:58] spirituality, it means different
things, different people. And I
[57:01] think there's a deeper
conversation that goes beyond
[57:04] spirituality to use the term
I'll mention, I'll define it, it
[57:09] goes to our divinity. And when
you when you look up the term
[57:13] and I think we may have talked
about this a little bit in our
[57:16] last conversation, when you look
up the term divinity, a lot of
[57:20] people associate divinity with
religion. And I can see why
[57:25] religion would have hijacked the
term, sure, but the term
[57:28] divinity actually, if you look
up the definition, it's
[57:31] interesting, it means the
ability to transcend perceived
[57:36] human limitations, our ability
to not just survive, but to
[57:41] become more than to thrive in
the presence beyond the
[57:45] limitations that we may have
imposed upon ourselves in the
[57:48] past. What's happening today is
there is a movement, to keep us
[57:56] from our divinity, to keep us so
that we feel that we are
[58:00] powerless victims of a world
that we have no control over.
[58:05] And if you're a victim, that
means you need a Savior. And the
[58:08] Savior that's being touted is
technology we're being taught in
[58:13] our young people are being
taught, all you need to do you
[58:16] know is to embrace this, you
know, this piece of technology,
[58:20] this virtual reality or computer
chip, there's a proposal now to
[58:24] implant computer chips into the
brains of all newborns, to give
[58:29] them the edge so they can
compete successfully in the
[58:32] world today. What's being
missed, is that when our biology
[58:37] is replaced, by technology, if
you have a computer chip working
[58:42] for you, it means that your
neurons think they're no longer
[58:46] needed. And your your systems
begin to atrophy. If you pump
[58:51] chemicals into your body for an
immune response, your natural
[58:55] immune system says maybe you
don't need me anymore, the
[58:58] systems will begin to atrophy,
you don't have the robust
[59:01] systems. And this is precisely
what's happening today. And this
[59:05] is where we lose our our
sovereignty as an individual
[59:09] because we feel that we need
something outside of us to be
[59:15] the best version of ourselves
and to be successful in life.
[59:19] It's a very, very different way
of thinking. And it's being done
[59:23] through really slick marketing.
I mean, I'm aware of it, and I'm
[59:26] still in awe of how sexy the
marketing is when I see the
[59:30] YouTube you know, if you watch a
YouTube video, you're going to
[59:34] get commercials. You know, why
are watching that video. And
[59:39] some of those commercials if I
if I were you a young person
[59:42] then didn't know what I know.
Now, I can see where they would
[59:46] be drawn to want to know what's
wrong with a computer chip in
[59:52] your brain or a special
[59:54] But it goes into that whole
superhuman superhero aspect of
[59:57] it. You're like the Iron Man you
become an Iron Man. And that's
[1:00:00] conceivably, their position
[1:00:01] Exactly. But this is this is
where this is the battle that's
[1:00:05] coming down now for our
divinity. Because do you
[1:00:09] accomplish that? By giving away
your humaneness to a technology?
[1:00:15] Or do you accomplish that, by
developing the potential of
[1:00:21] human biology, we don't even
know what that potential is. But
[1:00:25] here here's now this is where
the spirituality comes in. When
[1:00:29] you replace biology with
polymers, synthetics, AI and
[1:00:34] computer chips, you have
replaced DNA. With artificial
[1:00:40] technology. The DNA is the link
to our spirituality, the DNA is
[1:00:47] the link to our biology because
and our divinity because the DNA
[1:00:51] literally DNA, and the genes
that make the DNA are literally
[1:00:56] antennae. They are soft antennae
that tune us to information in
[1:01:03] the field of energy that
scientists tell us underlies and
[1:01:08] connects all things. That is not
controversial. Scientists are on
[1:01:11] board, there's a field
underlying all existence,
[1:01:14] including us, we're in constant
communication, non verbally,
[1:01:19] through energetic transactions,
our DNA is picking up
[1:01:23] information. That's where
intuition comes from. When you
[1:01:26] hear the voice in your head that
says, this is a good thing to
[1:01:29] do, or this is not a good thing
to do, or when you when you go
[1:01:34] into prayer, and you ask for
help and guidance, and you
[1:01:37] receive that you receive that
because it is coming through
[1:01:41] this energetic pathway. If we
give away our biology, to
[1:01:48] computer chips, and synthetic
technology, it might help in the
[1:01:51] moment, you're giving away your
divinity, your access to your
[1:01:57] greatest potential because now
you're no longer able to, to
[1:02:01] communicate through these
information pathways that we're
[1:02:05] only beginning to understand.
You know, this is one of the
[1:02:08] reasons cloning technology.
There's a mystery to cloning.
[1:02:14] Scientists in Dali, the first
sheet that was cloned, I mean
[1:02:17] others had been done. But that
was the first public clone
[1:02:22] appeared to be successful at
first. And then something
[1:02:26] mysterious happens, her body
began to break down and she died
[1:02:31] at about 50% of the age attained
by her species. And it's not a
[1:02:36] one off. All kinds of scientific
articles are out there peer
[1:02:40] reviewed articles, they do this
with cows now bovine cloning for
[1:02:44] for, you know, they want to
breed certain kinds of cattle
[1:02:48] meat, they they clone them,
first, they look fine, they
[1:02:52] might produce a couple of
offspring, they will not live
[1:02:56] their full lifespan, they begin
to degenerate and break down
[1:02:59] from where diseases. And what
here's what they've missed, is
[1:03:04] in the cloning. There's a
mismatch in the in the cloning,
[1:03:09] they they take the ovum, they
pull the DNA out and put in the
[1:03:14] DNA from another animal. But
that DNA still has to
[1:03:20] communicate with the rest of the
cell. And it can't because it is
[1:03:24] a different DNA from another
animal. There's a mismatch. And
[1:03:29] that is that is an example of
what happens to humans, when we
[1:03:33] embrace, begin replacing
biology. We're replacing our DNA
[1:03:39] with chips and wires and
chemicals. We are actually
[1:03:43] limiting our potential we're
limiting our potential because
[1:03:47] we're losing the information
pathway to our divinity. That's
[1:03:53] a huge statement. And that
that's the other the other part
[1:03:57] and I've just saw a series of
articles on this in the science
[1:04:00] journals. A computer chip, it's
definitely fast, definitely
[1:04:05] efficient, definitely logic,
much more logical, maybe then
[1:04:09] human emotion. But that chip
will always be limited by the
[1:04:14] physics of the stuff it's made
from. Whereas a human neuron and
[1:04:22] the the cell, the cell walls of
a human Well, human cells. We
[1:04:32] are scalable. And what that
means is that when our neurons
[1:04:36] for example, when they reach
what we used to think was the
[1:04:39] upper end of their ability to
transmit information. Now the
[1:04:43] neurons adapt and are able to
begin transmitting higher speeds
[1:04:48] have more information than we
ever thought was possible. We
[1:04:52] don't know the upper end of our
scalability. We are a highly
[1:04:57] advanced technologically
sophisticated, soft technology.
[1:05:00] and I talked about a lot of
other programs, the books, all
[1:05:03] kinds of YouTube videos, soft
technology, we're not chips and
[1:05:09] wires and chemicals. We're cell
membranes, and neurons moving
[1:05:14] ion potentials across the cell
wall. And here's the beauty, you
[1:05:17] don't have to know any of it.
Because we use thought feeling,
[1:05:21] emotion, belief, breath and
focus. That's it. And this is
[1:05:24] what our ancestors always
taught, you don't have to know
[1:05:26] the tech, because we're such an
advanced tech, the interface is
[1:05:31] so simple. And that's the
beautiful thing,
[1:05:34] Well we're so much more advanced
than any technology that we I
[1:05:37] mean, no one has been able to no
one's been able to duplicate the
[1:05:40] the insanity that is our body.
It is it is our brain, how our
[1:05:45] brain works, how our cells work,
how we're able to regenerate
[1:05:48] ourselves, none of it, none of
it. And it sounds like from the
[1:05:51] cloning thing that you were
saying that there is a failsafe
[1:05:53] in our system that they there's
there's someone something in the
[1:05:58] creation of the process of what
we are made of. There is a
[1:06:01] failsafe that you can't, you
can't mess up messes.
[1:06:05] It's, you said that so
beautifully. Alex, thank you.
[1:06:09] And you know, I'm a scientist,
and I believe in science. We've
[1:06:13] got to keep science honest, if
science is going to serve us,
[1:06:18] and science has been hijacked by
politics, religion, corporations
[1:06:23] technology, we asked science to
tell us who we are. And science
[1:06:29] has done a good job. The
question is, do we love
[1:06:32] ourselves enough? Do we love
ourselves enough to accept the
[1:06:36] truth of what science is telling
us. And the cloning experiments,
[1:06:41] I think, is one of the pathways
that will lead science to
[1:06:47] understand and accept what it is
that you and I are saying right
[1:06:50] now, if they are ever going to
be successful in the cloning
[1:06:55] technology, they will have to
accept that there's an
[1:06:58] information exchange that is
happening within the cell, to a
[1:07:05] field outside of the cell, and
that there has to be a match of
[1:07:10] the antenna. So just to clarify,
here's what I mean. In the cell,
[1:07:14] there's a nucleus of the cell,
we know there's DNA in there
[1:07:17] with a lot of people don't know
is there's DNA outside of the
[1:07:21] nucleus, mitochondrial DNA. And
so the the DNA and the inside
[1:07:25] has to be able to communicate
with the DNA outside some people
[1:07:28] calling this junk DNA, well,
it's not junk, you know, it has
[1:07:32] has as a purpose. So So I mean,
just think about this, there's a
[1:07:36] communication, the DNA inside
and outside the cell. So if you
[1:07:41] now take the DNA inside the
cell, throw it away, and you
[1:07:45] bring in DNA from another
animal, presumably the same
[1:07:50] species, but you put that in
there, there's going to be a
[1:07:53] mismatch, these two can't talk
to one another, they can't
[1:07:57] establish the information link
the resonant Information link to
[1:08:03] the place in the field that
allows them to be successful.
[1:08:06] And that's where the breakdown
comes from. So when the
[1:08:09] scientific community, they will
have to embrace this now,
[1:08:12] they'll never call it soul.
They'll never call it spirit.
[1:08:16] They probably won't call it
divinity. But it will lead them
[1:08:20] they'll have to understand this
if they're ever going to be
[1:08:23] successful with the, with the
cloning technology. So. So I
[1:08:28] think there is a place where we
will meet with this kind of
[1:08:32] knowledge. And maybe this is the
process, maybe this is how it
[1:08:35] happens. I don't know. It's It's
fascinating, isn't it?
[1:08:38] I mean, like I said, I could
talk to you for hours, Gregg,
[1:08:40] and I think these conversations
are so important, because they
[1:08:42] are starting to plant seeds in
people that might have never
[1:08:46] thought about these things.
Because they've just been, you
[1:08:49] know, and you can go through
they've been they swallowed,
[1:08:52] basically whatever they've been
given. And, I mean, you just go
[1:08:54] back to when I was growing up
that egg yolks were good, and
[1:08:58] whites were bad. And then
they're like, no, no, no, no,
[1:09:00] we're kidding. No, the whites
are good. Now the eggs and the
[1:09:02] yellows, but but now that like
none of those kinds of like, so
[1:09:04] it's kind of it's always just
something as basic of an example
[1:09:07] is that. So you have to
question. And nowadays, we're
[1:09:11] not just followers, there's so
much information accessible to
[1:09:13] all of us, like these
conversations, that we got to
[1:09:17] start asking questions about
things that are mysterious, even
[1:09:20] quantum physics. The physics
community doesn't even want to
[1:09:23] accept these ideas yet, and it's
like, Come on already for God's
[1:09:27] sakes!
[1:09:27] Well, it's, you know, I guess
want to acknowledge to our
[1:09:29] viewers, we covered a lot of
ground today at a high level and
[1:09:33] maybe didn't do it justice,
maybe we shouldn't have breached
[1:09:38] you know, some of the topics but
but they all really are part of
[1:09:40] the same conversation. And it's
about us, our potential, our
[1:09:45] relationship to the world around
us. And ultimately, it's about
[1:09:49] our our ability and our
willingness to love and honor.
[1:09:54] The body that we have and the
history is telling us about who
[1:09:59] we have been and where What our
potential is so? So the battle
[1:10:05] for our story involves these
ancient civilizations. And it's
[1:10:10] it's not like a little offshoot
over here. I think it's, it's
[1:10:13] central to what's happening and
I really appreciate you I had no
[1:10:17] idea this is unscripted.
Obviously, I have no idea what
[1:10:20] we're going to talk about today.
And, and I appreciate you
[1:10:22] choosing this particular topic,
because I do think it's, it's
[1:10:25] important, and maybe we laid the
foundation for Alex and Greg.
[1:10:29] Volume three.
[1:10:31] Yes, I hope so. My friend, we
definitely gotta get you back on
[1:10:33] the show, Greg. I know you're
busy. Man. I know you gotta go.
[1:10:36] Thank you so much for coming on
the show. Is there anything,
[1:10:38] anywhere that people want to
find out more about you and the
[1:10:41] amazing work you're doing with
it, though?
[1:10:43] You know, they, first of all, I
have a dedicated YouTube channel
[1:10:46] so that the work cannot be
sliced and diced and
[1:10:50] misrepresented as it is when
it's not on that channel. So
[1:10:54] Gregg Braden on YouTube, and
there's only one official
[1:10:58] channel where we talk about love
these things in more detail and
[1:11:01] much more. As well as just go to
the website, Greggbraden.com,
[1:11:07] Greggbraden.com, and trips to
Peru, you know, speaking
[1:11:13] engagements all over the world,
things like that. So Alex, thank
[1:11:17] you so much for the work you do.
Thank you for your trust, my
[1:11:19] friend and for sharing me with
your community. I'm honored and
[1:11:23] I look forward to part three.
[1:11:26] I appreciate you my friend.
Thank you again.
[1:11:28] Thanks so much. Take care!
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