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[0:00] because that is actually something that
[0:03] you wouldn't want to have to do to to
[0:07] remold your you know to mold yourself
[0:09] into something that doesn't serve you.
[0:12] So success to me
[0:14] is slowing down, checking in and
[0:17] recognizing
[0:19] where is my aliveness, where where what
[0:23] is showing up for me in this experience.
[0:26] What can I learn from that?
[0:28] It's it's it's a completely new
[0:32] understanding of wholeness. Success to
[0:34] me is wholeness.
[0:36] >> Welcome to [music] the Soulful Sound
[0:38] podcast.
[0:42] Hello everyone. Welcome back to the
[0:44] latest episode on the Soulful Sound
[0:47] podcast. I'm joined by the beautiful
[0:49] Leila Mui, an award nominated film and
[0:53] television composer whose work spans
[0:55] DreamWorks, Disney, Netflix, and beyond.
[0:58] Following her own healing journey, she's
[1:00] now combining her lifelong passion for
[1:02] music with personal transformation using
[1:05] sound as a powerful pathway for healing,
[1:08] resilience, and hope.
[1:12] Welcome in, Ila. You're speaking my
[1:14] language.
[1:15] >> Oh, thank you for that beautiful
[1:17] introduction. I am so so happy and
[1:20] honored to be here in this wonderful
[1:22] space. So, thank you for having me.
[1:24] >> Oh, such an honor and pleasure, too.
[1:26] Now, I love to kind of kick off all my
[1:28] episodes with the same question, and
[1:30] that's just a little bit about your
[1:31] personal story. You can share anything
[1:34] you like. Perhaps what got you into the
[1:35] music that you're doing today.
[1:38] >> Oh my goodness. Yes. I mean, I would say
[1:42] that my very first memory of music was
[1:48] sitting on my dad's lap and listening to
[1:50] Dark Side of the Moon, Pink Floyd,
[1:53] [gasps] and just being immersed in that
[1:57] sound and noticing even at such a young
[2:00] age, noticing my response to it and the
[2:05] impact that it had. And I was curious
[2:08] from from the get-go about music and and
[2:12] the ways in which that it impacted us
[2:14] emotionally.
[2:16] And I would say that growing up in
[2:21] my parents uh they they immigrated from
[2:24] Iran at a young age. And so I and I was
[2:27] born in Detroit, Michigan in the
[2:29] suburbs. And so I really was immersed in
[2:32] two different cultures. And
[2:36] while that was enriching and and taught
[2:39] me so much how to navigate these two
[2:42] cultures, it was also in moments,
[2:45] you know, a challenge and isolating at
[2:48] times because I didn't know exactly
[2:49] where I fit in. You know, this sense of
[2:53] not belonging in either culture in a
[2:55] way. It was just this in between.
[2:58] And when I discovered music,
[3:01] music was this way that I was able to
[3:05] speak and felt like I finally landed in
[3:08] a place where I belong in myself.
[3:11] >> And it was a way for me to express in
[3:13] ways that I couldn't in the outside
[3:15] world. So that experience really led my
[3:20] direction and and guided me. It wasn't
[3:24] even that I determined that this is the
[3:26] path that I want to do. It was almost
[3:28] like it was calling me forward and I
[3:30] just followed it and it led me in the
[3:33] direction of film composing eventually.
[3:35] But there's a lot more there of course.
[3:37] >> Yeah, of course. That's beautiful. Yeah.
[3:39] And I I was curious about your, you
[3:41] know, obviously your background coming
[3:42] from Western and Eastern cultures, how
[3:45] different that was and perhaps how it
[3:47] influences your music.
[3:49] >> How do how do you feel like it has?
[3:51] Because I'm sure like I mean Dark Side
[3:52] of the Moon, love it. And and and
[3:55] actually what's super fun about that is
[3:57] that when I when I did some touring back
[3:59] in the day, I was with a trip an um Pink
[4:01] Floyd tribute band and that was the
[4:03] album we were touring. So I had the
[4:05] hardest vocal of my life
[4:08] with Great Gig in the Sky. It still is
[4:10] probably the hardest vocal I've ever had
[4:12] to do, but I know you know it well. So
[4:14] that's incredible. Oh, that one just
[4:17] sits I mean that is one that is my
[4:20] favorite piece on the album and I've
[4:22] I've covered that myself with many
[4:24] friends [laughter] and wow I applaud you
[4:26] for taking that on. That is
[4:29] >> quite a quite a solo part. Um
[4:33] >> yeah. So I was lucky that my dad himself
[4:38] was he had such or has such a deep love
[4:42] for music and introduced me to so many
[4:46] different um
[4:49] so many different uh genres and so many
[4:52] different um music from around the
[4:54] world. And I would say that the thing
[4:56] that really impacted me without even
[4:58] realizing it is rhythm
[5:00] >> and and how it enforced or how it
[5:05] informed my sense of musicality like the
[5:11] way that I approach music and even the
[5:13] piano is unconventional in a way. It's I
[5:17] almost play the keyboard like a drum
[5:21] because I am so driven by the different
[5:25] types of rhythm that I think really um
[5:28] imprinted
[5:30] on on my on on my being. So I feel that
[5:36] that was one of the greatest influences
[5:39] in in being um exposed to different
[5:42] types of music from around the world and
[5:44] the ways that each each voice speaks a
[5:48] different rhythm. It speaks a different
[5:50] feeling and um yeah I think that that's
[5:52] what makes my music in particular
[5:56] um unique to me.
[5:59] >> Yeah that's beautiful. And you know
[6:01] looking at your work I know that you've
[6:03] spent many years of your career so far
[6:05] composing music for film and television
[6:08] and in a way that's like tell help
[6:10] helping tell other people's stories you
[6:12] know whether it's the character or what
[6:14] the you know you get you get a draft you
[6:16] get an idea of what it is a brief of
[6:18] what you want to do. So you're telling a
[6:19] lot of stories through music and I'm
[6:21] curious what it was like for you turning
[6:23] that more inward you know beginning to
[6:26] tell your own story through your your
[6:28] work Journey to Rebirth. What a
[6:30] beautiful title.
[6:31] >> Oh, thank you so much.
[6:33] >> Yes, it's it's interesting that I spent
[6:37] almost two decades telling other
[6:39] people's stories
[6:41] >> and it was something that I actually
[6:42] enjoyed doing from such a young age. I
[6:44] remember my friends, I would tell them
[6:46] act this out and I will be your
[6:48] soundtrack on the piano and it was just
[6:50] something that I enjoyed doing and it is
[6:54] actually the very thing. It was almost
[6:57] like I came back home to the essence,
[6:59] the truest um
[7:03] what music was for me at such a young
[7:06] age is what I eventually came back home
[7:08] to in in creating Journey Rebirth
[7:11] because what what I loved about music at
[7:15] such a young age was the the idea of
[7:18] being able to express myself and tell my
[7:20] story through music in ways that I
[7:23] wasn't able to do through words. And so
[7:25] it was almost like I I was able to
[7:30] experience that firsthand and realize,
[7:34] oh, there's something here. I'm able to
[7:36] tell these stories. And that's what led
[7:38] me in the direction of film composing.
[7:40] And yes, I, you know, it's when you're a
[7:45] composer, you have to adapt. You have to
[7:48] get into the world of the directors, the
[7:51] producers, and really get into the
[7:54] subtext and the um underlying emotions
[7:58] that um maybe the audience doesn't see.
[8:01] Um and I think that that was something
[8:04] that I I became fairly good at in in my
[8:09] craft. Um
[8:11] and so yes, my journey to rebirth is
[8:15] quite different and this is the first
[8:17] time in so many years of
[8:21] working out my craft that I was able to
[8:23] finally tell my own story
[8:26] >> and it's been it's been it was
[8:30] completely transformative to be doing
[8:32] that especially um what the story is
[8:35] inspired by which is
[8:38] it um through my battle with cancer.
[8:42] So,
[8:44] hi beautiful soul. Before we continue, I
[8:47] wanted to acknowledge you being here and
[8:49] for listening so deeply. Now, if you're
[8:51] enjoying this conversation and you
[8:53] haven't yet subscribed, I'd love to
[8:55] invite you to do so now cuz it really
[8:57] helps us reach more people and it means
[9:00] so much to have you in this space. Well,
[9:03] back to the conversation.
[9:05] A lot of what I recognized was how
[9:10] telling my story allowed me to witness
[9:13] parts of myself that was asking to be
[9:18] seen and heard and felt and and and it
[9:22] had so much to do with being able to
[9:24] witness and and meet myself with
[9:27] curiosity. And
[9:29] >> and I think that's the power of you know
[9:31] being able to just sit at your your
[9:33] instrument whatever it is whether it's
[9:35] your voice or whatever you know whether
[9:37] it's your body you know and for dancers
[9:39] it might be movement but for me it was
[9:41] my instrument and I I mean there's so
[9:45] much to say about it [laughter]
[9:47] I am sure I and I and I definitely want
[9:50] to know more. Um, and I'm curious, um,
[9:53] thank you for sharing so openly, by the
[9:55] way, and and vulnerably about that
[9:56] because I can imagine it it was a very
[9:58] challenging time of your life and this
[10:01] is this is so beautiful that you're able
[10:03] to use music in such a healing way and
[10:05] also share that. I think what a gift
[10:07] that you can offer. Now, I'm curious
[10:10] about that. How your healing journey has
[10:14] may maybe not changed, but let's use
[10:15] that word. Perhaps it has or hasn't. The
[10:18] way you listen, whether that's to music,
[10:20] to your body, or just to yourself
[10:22] holistically.
[10:25] >> Absolutely. Um,
[10:28] you know, it's I find that
[10:33] we we live our lives thinking that we
[10:36] have to build these skills and the and
[10:40] to refine and and to to learn about how
[10:45] how maybe another
[10:49] role model is doing it or a mentor or
[10:52] you know studying books and and scores.
[10:54] For me, it was understanding film score
[10:57] and the craft and the orchestration and
[10:59] all the details that are involved in
[11:00] that and the the technical sides of
[11:03] things. And I would say the ways that it
[11:06] changed my relationship to it is by
[11:11] remembering
[11:13] the heart of what inspired me to connect
[11:16] to it in the first place, which has
[11:19] nothing to do with any of that. It's
[11:21] almost like unlearning,
[11:24] >> you know, and
[11:26] and coming back to the root of what
[11:30] connects you, you know, this idea of
[11:32] what
[11:34] resonates with you, this idea of
[11:36] resonance, you know, it's like what is
[11:39] it about these experience that that that
[11:43] reminds me of who I am and parts of
[11:47] myself that maybe I'm explor exploring
[11:51] and I think the beautiful part of it is
[11:54] that often times I don't think we go to
[11:57] that next step when we listen to a a
[12:00] track or when why why do we why do we
[12:04] resonate with this specific type of
[12:06] music or what is it about this quality
[12:09] that is connecting with me and my soul
[12:12] you know and I feel like that has
[12:16] completely opened up my way of listening
[12:20] listening because it's not just about oh
[12:22] I like this
[12:24] >> it's about what does this remind me of
[12:28] >> you know
[12:29] >> how does it touch my heart you know and
[12:32] all of that that you've just highlighted
[12:34] so beautifully and also you know you you
[12:37] spoke about um being really young
[12:39] knowing that you wanted to go this path
[12:41] into music at least not necessarily film
[12:43] composing but I I read I think as young
[12:46] as eight and I I have a similar
[12:48] background in that When I was seven, I
[12:50] knew I wanted to sing. I didn't know the
[12:52] path my life would take, but I knew
[12:54] voice was going to be at the forefront.
[12:56] And so, it's a calling as you said, and
[12:58] we don't enter the calling through our
[13:00] head.
[13:01] >> It's not, oh, I need to think about the
[13:03] the singing what that could mean in when
[13:05] I'm 50, you know, when you're when
[13:06] you're seven or when you're eight and
[13:08] I'm going to definitely be composing
[13:10] for. No, it's just this call to go into
[13:12] this this, you know, sonic world that I
[13:16] think is so beautiful. And for me, that
[13:18] speaks a lot to what you're saying now.
[13:20] Kind of unlearning and going back to
[13:23] those roots of I knew there was
[13:25] something here,
[13:26] >> even if I didn't understand what yet.
[13:29] >> Absolutely.
[13:30] >> So beautiful.
[13:31] >> Absolutely. I think it brings us back to
[13:34] trust. You know, I remember I had a
[13:36] mentor that said, "It's my job to teach
[13:40] you the walls of the box, you know, so
[13:44] that you learn how to break them." But
[13:47] you got to learn the box first, you
[13:49] know. So it's not to negate everything
[13:52] that we learn. All of that is part of
[13:54] what informs our craft and and you know
[13:59] our creativity and and helps us expand
[14:01] our creativity. But being able to do
[14:04] that and then coming back
[14:07] >> into that calling as you say it's it's
[14:10] and trusting it. I think that's
[14:13] something that happens with experience.
[14:16] >> [snorts]
[14:16] >> And because I remember growing up and
[14:19] and and thinking like you had to sound
[14:21] like someone else in order to succeed or
[14:23] you had to meet a certain standard and
[14:26] in some cases you do. But what I found
[14:30] that kind of even led me into
[14:34] even even landing projects was how do I
[14:37] come come back to who I am as an artist
[14:41] and and
[14:43] take those elements but but really not
[14:47] allow them to hijack who I am and my
[14:51] voice in this craft, you know, as an
[14:53] artist.
[14:54] >> And I'm sure it sounds like you you
[14:57] absolutely
[14:58] >> had a similar experience to that.
[15:00] >> Yeah, I resonate deeply with it. I think
[15:02] um you know most of the work that I do
[15:04] now is helping people come back to their
[15:06] unique soundprint and to let go of all
[15:08] the layers of conditioning or
[15:09] expectations. And like you said, learn
[15:12] the scales before you improvise. But
[15:16] then when you're improvising and you're
[15:17] in that space where you can just be free
[15:19] and be you, that's where you, you know,
[15:21] you've already got the foundation. Just
[15:23] be free with that. And there's nothing
[15:25] like really deeply connecting with your
[15:27] voice and yourself or your instrument
[15:29] because it is a beautiful way to express
[15:32] what's deeper. I often say the voice is
[15:34] the doorway to the soul
[15:36] >> and for me that is just such a beautiful
[15:38] reflection of of what we can do with
[15:40] music.
[15:41] >> Absolutely. We we speak a similar
[15:44] language. I say
[15:45] >> I knew that from the start. [laughter]
[15:48] >> The music is a window in to our soul.
[15:50] 100% agree with that. And I want to
[15:53] bring back what you said about
[15:55] improvisation. I feel that improvisation
[15:59] is key to um
[16:03] I hate to use the word healing because
[16:06] that could mean different um that that
[16:10] could land differently for many people
[16:12] but really it's the I think that
[16:15] improvisation is like a channeling of
[16:18] our soul and and it was through the
[16:23] process of improvisation that actually
[16:26] led me into a transformative state in my
[16:30] experience through my um my health
[16:34] challenges and many challenges in my
[16:37] life, you know, and
[16:40] I even through when I was working for
[16:44] somebody else or in the industry and
[16:47] just really just pushing myself beyond
[16:50] healthy limits,
[16:52] every single time I felt overwhelmed, I
[16:54] would kind push the assignment side and
[16:56] just sit at the piano and just allow
[16:59] whatever needed to come out to pl, you
[17:00] know, to come out. And I think that was
[17:03] actually my therapy. That was my way of
[17:07] being able to
[17:09] build that resilience through the the
[17:11] the challenges of the of composing in
[17:15] such a difficult industry. And and and
[17:19] that's what I ended up doing um for
[17:22] Journey Rebirth. All of those pieces are
[17:25] they come from improvised pieces on the
[17:27] piano that were later um elaborated on.
[17:32] >> Beautiful.
[17:33] >> I love that you almost said let those
[17:35] parts of you come out to play.
[17:38] >> Um you slightly changed it at the end,
[17:40] but I I can feel that you know the
[17:42] creativity and the curiosity of a child
[17:45] is very much needed in improv, right?
[17:47] That that really beautiful chneled
[17:49] experience. I love that word so much for
[17:51] this. Um, and I would love to know if
[17:53] you're if you're open to talking more
[17:55] about you going through your health
[17:56] challenges. Like what was music like for
[17:59] you during those hard moments because
[18:01] I'm sure it would have had a whole life
[18:03] of its own in many different ways. So
[18:05] maybe speak to what it might have been
[18:07] for you in those moments, not
[18:09] necessarily now um in hindsight of it,
[18:12] but during if you feel comfortable to
[18:13] talk bit about that.
[18:14] >> Absolutely. Absolutely. And this is why
[18:16] I I want to talk about this because I
[18:19] see such a powerful opportunity for
[18:21] others to explore this for themselves if
[18:24] they're willing. Um
[18:26] art,
[18:28] you know, when I when I was diagnosed
[18:32] with cancer, I had a difficult time
[18:35] [clears throat]
[18:36] expressing myself. I had a difficult
[18:38] time even crying. There was such a block
[18:42] that felt like I was in a state of
[18:46] stuckness and survival mode.
[18:49] And music was the process of improvising
[18:52] on the piano was a catalyst.
[18:55] It allowed me to feel everything I
[18:59] needed to feel without trying to fix,
[19:01] without trying to change my
[19:03] circumstances.
[19:05] What it did through the ex through
[19:07] through play, through improvisation was
[19:11] change my relationship to the
[19:13] circumstance
[19:16] by allowing myself to express and feel
[19:21] and to, you know, it's it's like we we
[19:26] have learned in in many ways to
[19:30] hide away parts of ourselves because we
[19:33] learned in some part in our lives that
[19:37] maybe expressing ourselves in that way
[19:40] was wrong or was not met in the way that
[19:45] we needed, our bodies needed. And the
[19:49] process of creating allowed me to be in
[19:52] witness of myself and be almost like the
[19:56] parent to myself through that
[19:59] experience.
[20:00] And
[20:02] you know, especially when I had so many
[20:05] family members and friends wanting to
[20:08] uplift and like support in the best way
[20:10] that they knew how. When you're going
[20:13] through something like that, sometimes
[20:15] you just need to feel without
[20:18] someone telling you, "Oh, it's going to
[20:20] be okay." Or, "Oh, it's, you know, this
[20:23] is temporary." It's like, "Let me just
[20:25] be in what it is. Let me feel what
[20:28] needs. Let me feel into the grief. Let
[20:31] me feel into the anger. And music was
[20:35] that for me. It allowed me to almost
[20:40] unleash and and to to
[20:45] bring things to the surface that were
[20:47] kind of stuck underneath. And not just
[20:50] during that time, things that were stuck
[20:52] underneath for years and years and years
[20:54] that kind of were was stuffed down.
[20:58] >> And I honestly believe that so much of
[21:02] that is what allowed me to
[21:08] stop seeking outside of myself for the
[21:11] answers and stop
[21:14] searching for validation and approval.
[21:16] and allowed me to seek and not even seek
[21:21] just to sit with the answers that are
[21:23] within me.
[21:26] And music was that pathway in it was
[21:30] that doorway that you talk about, you
[21:33] know, to understand
[21:36] how I can take this power back into my
[21:39] own hands. Yeah.
[21:42] >> And I I I will share a story that I feel
[21:45] was the moment that that transformed. If
[21:48] that's
[21:49] >> Yes, please. I'd love to hear it.
[21:52] >> So, I um I'm very open about sharing
[21:55] this. So I
[21:57] I
[21:59] the moment that shifted for me was the
[22:02] moment that I had just finished
[22:05] treatment and I went to the doctor's
[22:07] office thinking that I was ready, you
[22:10] know, I was about to ring that bell and
[22:12] I was done and I was going to put this
[22:14] behind me
[22:15] and only to find out that the chemo had
[22:18] not worked.
[22:20] And in that moment is when I went back
[22:23] into my car.
[22:25] And I realized in all the ways that I
[22:27] had given my power away, you know,
[22:30] seeking for answers. And I realized in
[22:33] that moment that I had a choice and that
[22:36] I could either choose to sit in the
[22:39] regrets and the anger of the past or I
[22:42] could choose to be paralyzed in the
[22:45] unknown future. you know that we none of
[22:48] us know what's going to happen. You
[22:50] know, it's like I'm I can be stuck in
[22:52] this idea of this like awful thing or it
[22:55] could mean nothing at all. Like who's to
[22:58] say, right?
[23:00] So, why not be here in this moment? And
[23:04] we you talked about play and I want to
[23:06] bring that back and and what kind of it
[23:09] wasn't just music that brought me back
[23:12] to my play, but it was my son. I went
[23:15] home that day and I got to be with my
[23:18] son who was only two at the time and I
[23:22] saw the ways in which he was
[23:25] experiencing life
[23:27] and meeting life with curiosity
[23:30] and wonder and play and imagination and
[23:33] presence, full presence.
[23:37] And everything just slowed down. And I
[23:40] realized in that moment,
[23:43] holy crap, like
[23:46] all this life, all my life, trying to
[23:50] reach and chase dreams, trying to work
[23:54] up to the next thing, and you meet that
[23:57] level of success, and then you want the
[23:59] next thing, and it's always the next
[24:00] thing. And I was missing out on the most
[24:03] important thing, which is this moment
[24:05] right here, when this moment is all we
[24:07] ever really have. M
[24:11] >> and so my son
[24:15] is what reminded me
[24:18] of the kid I once was before the world
[24:21] told me who I should be,
[24:24] >> you know, and and that that trans that
[24:29] changed everything because then I was I
[24:32] was like, well, who's to say I shouldn't
[24:34] go to this doctor appointment and go
[24:36] jump in the puddles of the rain, you
[24:40] it. I I'd go to doctor appointments and
[24:42] I would be sending my love to the nurses
[24:44] and all the other people that were in
[24:46] that space instead of feeling like
[24:49] what's going to happen to me, you know,
[24:52] and my relationship to myself shaped the
[24:55] relationship and how I met the world
[24:58] around me.
[25:01] And the music,
[25:03] the beautiful thing about improvisation
[25:06] is that the music then reflected back to
[25:08] me this reauthoring,
[25:12] >> you know, this this reclamation
[25:16] of my existence, my soul's existence
[25:20] beyond what we see.
[25:25] >> And that's what Journey Rebirth is.
[25:28] >> That is stunning, Leila. Thank you for
[25:30] sharing that. That is there's so much to
[25:32] pull from that. But first of all, wow,
[25:34] so beautifully expressed. I can feel
[25:38] that every core of my body, every part
[25:40] of me, I could feel the resonance of
[25:42] that story. And I hope that those
[25:44] listening can feel that landing too. Um,
[25:47] and what is what is really precious
[25:50] about it is your your willingness to
[25:53] choose something different. There there
[25:56] are many times as we know where when
[25:58] we're facing very hard challenges or
[26:00] when you know in whatever uh way for
[26:04] everyone experiencing different things
[26:06] that when we're in it we feel that we
[26:08] don't have a choice.
[26:10] >> Yeah.
[26:11] >> And for you to literally say okay this
[26:14] is this is what I'm faced with let me
[26:17] feel it and now what do I want to choose
[26:21] is really powerful. And I speak about
[26:24] that a lot and I know that it's not it's
[26:25] easy to simple to understand but not
[26:28] easy to do. Um but you're speaking to
[26:31] choosing something else and to be in
[26:34] this space where you meet life
[26:36] differently is a great way to express
[26:39] that. How do I want to show up for
[26:41] myself? How do I want to meet life
[26:43] differently in this moment?
[26:46] >> Profound self inquiry.
[26:49] >> Absolutely. It is. and and you speak on
[26:52] something very important because you may
[26:53] have the awareness of something.
[26:55] >> Yes.
[26:56] >> But you may not be able to embody it.
[26:58] >> And I experienced that and I you know
[27:01] it's a contin
[27:03] a destination. You know healing is not a
[27:05] destination to be reached. It's just a
[27:07] continuous unfolding
[27:09] >> as I'm sure you know. And
[27:13] because there were moments where I'm
[27:15] like okay I have this understanding but
[27:17] why am I not yet in it? Why is my body
[27:20] still responding here while my heart is
[27:23] saying these things and I have this
[27:25] understanding of it
[27:27] >> and that comes with that practice you
[27:29] know and it wasn't just music it was
[27:32] meditation it was movement it was
[27:35] connecting to nature it was getting
[27:37] grounded
[27:38] >> and it is so easy to fall back into
[27:42] these old patterns because you know
[27:45] society is designed in this way to keep
[27:48] us in this space. And so it's up to us
[27:51] to continuously
[27:54] move beyond that and to connect in the
[27:56] ways that resonate with us, you know,
[27:58] whatever that is for you. and and and
[28:03] yes I that that is the what what really
[28:07] transformed my experience was choice
[28:12] >> you know and the ability to recognize
[28:16] that choice you know I and what felt
[28:18] like such a choiceless matter you as a
[28:21] diagnosis you know we often say well it
[28:24] I don't this isn't this these are the
[28:26] cards that were dealt yes but what how
[28:30] do you want to show up in relationship
[28:33] to those cards? You know, and and
[28:37] >> I always say in every circumstance, we
[28:41] have a choice that continues to remain
[28:44] our own. And it's how we meet how we
[28:46] choose to meet the moment,
[28:50] >> right? because
[28:54] and that moment sitting in the car I
[28:57] could have gotten hit by a bus the next
[28:59] day. We don't know going to happen,
[29:02] right?
[29:03] >> So
[29:04] understanding that and recognizing that
[29:08] >> it it almost helped me find this sense
[29:11] of anchor into something so much more
[29:14] expansive
[29:16] >> beyond what we've learned or what we
[29:19] see. It opened up my peripheral vision
[29:23] >> and I think that choice is power.
[29:27] Agency is power, right?
[29:29] >> Sovereignty. Yes, I love that.
[29:32] >> Right. Absolutely.
[29:33] >> Beautiful.
[29:34] >> There is something else that I want to
[29:36] pull from it. um that very much I
[29:39] resonate with which is that the
[29:41] embodying piece that you've mentioned
[29:43] when we change our frequency which was
[29:47] you know happening through the series of
[29:49] choices you continue to make and the
[29:52] choice the the the way the behaviors
[29:54] that you you brought in the movement
[29:56] meditation all those beautiful choices
[29:58] that helped you to shift your frequency
[30:01] and in doing so it it's a beautiful way
[30:05] to help with your healing, to support
[30:09] your healing. So, it's like you said,
[30:11] one part of you is over here and the
[30:12] other's over here. Being able to bring
[30:14] them together in harmony so that there's
[30:16] less dissonance
[30:18] >> and disease in the body, you know, and
[30:21] this is what's so profound as well, that
[30:24] we can literally through a series of
[30:26] choices and an understanding and
[30:28] embodying that that it shifts the
[30:30] vibration. shifts our cellular um you
[30:34] know we're talking down to the cells it
[30:36] shifts and that is so profound it's
[30:39] certainly very much in um enveloped in
[30:42] the work that I do with sound healing
[30:44] and the shumanic practices so I love
[30:46] that you are really a beautiful walking
[30:49] example of that
[30:52] >> it's incredible
[30:53] >> thank you for for acknowledging that and
[30:56] and for the work that you are doing in
[30:59] bringing that forth and just this
[31:02] platform and sharing
[31:04] sharing these experiences this these
[31:06] very human experiences and recognizing
[31:10] that there's more support than we
[31:13] realize often times and I want to give
[31:16] an example it's like there are moments I
[31:19] remember of myself
[31:22] trying to say okay let me just let me
[31:24] find the answer let me research let me
[31:27] find there's got to be an answer in
[31:28] these books or there's there's all of
[31:31] these modalities and everyone's doing
[31:34] something different and let me I have to
[31:36] know it all in order to find the answer.
[31:38] And what you're talking about as far as
[31:41] frequency is
[31:44] often times it it is stepping away from
[31:49] trying to search for the answer and
[31:52] moving your body
[31:54] and even just even the the just movement
[32:00] in itself. going for a walk, going to
[32:03] the beach, and letting go of our
[32:06] attachment
[32:08] to finding the answer.
[32:12] Something changes
[32:14] organically and as you say, like at a
[32:17] cellular level
[32:19] that
[32:22] almost like you get a download of what
[32:24] it is that you need to do. And that is
[32:27] what happened for me in that experience
[32:29] is, you know, without going into the
[32:32] crazy amount of details of what led me
[32:36] into recognizing things, but like I had
[32:39] a hunch about a toothache or from
[32:42] [clears throat] years prior that I'm
[32:43] like, I think there's something here
[32:46] >> that has to do with the lymphoma. I I I
[32:50] have a hunch feeling and or a hunch
[32:53] about this and I'm going to let that
[32:55] guide me. I'm gonna let my intuition and
[32:58] my body, my embodied wisdom guide me
[33:02] instead of
[33:04] having a doctor tell me what worked
[33:06] based on statistics, you know, and that
[33:10] hunch led me into, you know, a
[33:13] biological dentist and discovering that
[33:15] I had an absess under this tooth and it
[33:17] was horribly infected and, you know,
[33:19] like all these different areas that were
[33:21] connected systematically. You know, I
[33:25] think that and energetically like taking
[33:30] get, you know, it it was a blockage
[33:33] >> of energy flow in my system, right? And
[33:36] so I feel that when we talk about
[33:38] frequency,
[33:40] it all has to do with energy. It all has
[33:43] to do with ways of creating flow in this
[33:48] circuitry, you know, and and and often
[33:52] times when we are stuck trying to find
[33:55] answers, we are actually blocking that
[33:58] flow
[33:59] >> in many ways. At least that was my
[34:02] experience of it.
[34:04] >> Well, I am a huge fan of the inside out
[34:06] approach, which is starting at home with
[34:09] yourself. And yes, there are a lot of
[34:11] helpful things in the world and a lot of
[34:13] incredible support, whether that's
[34:15] through books or people. Um, I I often
[34:18] say that your best teacher is your
[34:21] intuition, is your higher self, is you
[34:23] have access to the most incredible
[34:25] resources within you if you're if you
[34:28] allow yourself to be still enough to to
[34:30] notice or to listen or hear. And to me,
[34:33] this is incredibly important. So, I love
[34:35] that you're highlighting something there
[34:37] that people can, you know, learn to yes,
[34:40] take into consideration the things that
[34:43] are being told by professionals around
[34:45] you and also give yourself that um
[34:48] permission to with for self- agency and
[34:51] what is it that you're noticing? What is
[34:53] it that you're feeling? What is it that
[34:55] your body is saying that the doctor may
[34:57] not have said or anyone else may not
[34:58] have noticed? And know that that's also
[35:01] valuable.
[35:02] >> Absolutely. It's a both end. It's an
[35:04] integrative approach.
[35:06] >> Um not to one doesn't negate the other.
[35:09] >> Exactly.
[35:10] >> The conversation. Yes. Absolutely. And
[35:13] um I love what you said about slowing
[35:16] down because I think I believe and and
[35:19] that's bringing back to the music and
[35:22] and what Journey to Rebirth is, the
[35:25] intention that I have and the mission
[35:28] that I have in creating this project is
[35:31] to create immersive spaces for people to
[35:35] slow down and to meet themselves with
[35:39] curiosity instead of judgment and
[35:42] criticism. and labeling. And I feel that
[35:45] when we slow down and have that sense of
[35:50] self-compassion, when we can meet
[35:52] ourselves with that grace,
[35:54] it shapes the way that we are in
[35:57] relationship with the world around
[35:59] >> and it it continues to
[36:05] offer I I believe that it expands our
[36:08] capacity for love and compassion for
[36:10] other people's lived experiences
[36:13] and and how we can be in this collective
[36:16] in this community communal space
[36:18] together and to support each other in
[36:20] that. Yeah.
[36:22] >> I'm curious about the word rebirth.
[36:25] >> So I want to speak a little bit to that.
[36:28] Uh does this feel like a rebirth or did
[36:31] it feel like a rebirth for you? You know
[36:34] your transformation? Let's speak to that
[36:35] word because I I know that you don't
[36:37] choose words unintentionally.
[36:40] I know we just met, but I know that
[36:42] about you already because I hear how you
[36:43] express yourself. So, I'd love to know
[36:46] about rebirth, you know, what does what
[36:48] does that mean?
[36:51] So,
[36:53] first of all, I will say that in the
[36:56] creation of the pieces and the titles,
[37:00] everything just came out. I was like, I
[37:02] don't know what this means yet,
[37:06] >> but this is what's coming out. And as in
[37:10] the last four years almost five years
[37:13] that I've been in the creative process
[37:15] and expanding journey rebirth it has
[37:18] been unveiling its meaning.
[37:22] >> It's been revealing ah [sighs]
[37:25] that's what that meant for me. So
[37:29] rebirth initially
[37:31] has had a double meaning.
[37:36] The track Rebirth has my voice. It's a
[37:40] spoken word over a track that I wrote.
[37:44] And
[37:46] that voice that you hear is me in the
[37:49] hospital
[37:51] during my rebirth, a stem cell
[37:53] transplant, which is often referred to
[37:55] as a rebirth. So in one sense it had a
[38:00] meaning physically
[38:04] >> through the process of a stem cell
[38:06] transplant and then the other sense was
[38:10] this
[38:11] moment
[38:13] of reclamation reclaiming myself
[38:17] and reconnecting
[38:19] to who I am
[38:23] my authentic self and letting go of all
[38:27] the noise of all the ways in which I was
[38:33] taught how to be in order to be met in
[38:36] this world, in order to be loved,
[38:38] >> in order to belong.
[38:42] That to me was my rebirth. And the way
[38:45] that I now understand it, rebirth is
[38:50] remembering. It's a remembrance.
[38:53] It's not about becoming,
[38:56] it's about coming back home.
[39:00] And that is the track that follows.
[39:04] Rebirth is coming home to you, which in
[39:07] the moment was inspired by my son and
[39:10] dedicated to him. But me coming back
[39:12] home to him was me coming back home to
[39:14] myself. And that to me is the meaning of
[39:17] rebirth.
[39:19] >> Yeah.
[39:20] >> Yes.
[39:22] I absolutely love that. You know, it it
[39:25] certainly resonates with me, which is
[39:28] what made me curious about it because
[39:29] for me that is healing, coming home to
[39:32] self. It's it's remembrance. It's coming
[39:34] back and and into wholeness. So, I love
[39:37] that there's so many different meanings
[39:39] and that you are curious enough to see
[39:41] what else come uh maybe maybe we chat in
[39:44] two years and there's another there's
[39:45] another uh interpretation that wants to
[39:47] come forth or or meaning which I think
[39:49] is beautiful
[39:50] >> and that's what I oh sorry I please go
[39:53] ahead that's what I love about the word
[39:55] rebirth is because we can continuously
[39:57] have that it's not a final destination
[40:00] it's a continuous unraveling you know
[40:05] >> so absolely Absolutely. In two years and
[40:07] we'll have a completely new insight on
[40:09] that for sure.
[40:10] >> I love that. And I know you mentioned
[40:13] this earlier that you know your version
[40:15] of success um would have been okay the
[40:18] next ladder what now I've achieved this
[40:19] and you've you've written for some
[40:21] really major studios around you know
[40:23] around the world. You've done some
[40:24] really incredible work now. I'm curious
[40:26] about your version of success now. What
[40:29] does success mean to you now?
[40:33] >> Success to me is checking in. Success to
[40:36] me
[40:38] is,
[40:41] you know, it's like I used to go to an
[40:44] interview, for example,
[40:47] and I would say, "Oh, let me make sure I
[40:50] sound a certain way to to fit into this
[40:55] mold, you know, so that I can get this
[40:58] job." But success to me is now going
[41:01] into an interview and saying,
[41:06] Does this does this meet my needs and my
[41:11] standards? And also, if I don't get this
[41:14] job, recognize that that is something to
[41:17] be thankful for
[41:20] because that is actually something that
[41:23] you wouldn't want to have to do to to
[41:27] remold your, you know, to mold yourself
[41:29] into something that doesn't serve you.
[41:31] So success to me
[41:34] is slowing down, checking in and
[41:37] recognizing
[41:39] where is my aliveness, where where what
[41:43] is showing up for me in this experience.
[41:46] What can I learn from that?
[41:48] It's it's it's a completely new
[41:51] understanding of wholeness. Success to
[41:54] me is wholeness.
[41:57] >> Yeah. [laughter]
[41:59] There's so much more that I can say
[42:01] about that, but I will leave it there.
[42:03] >> I I can imagine, you know, there there
[42:04] are so many beautiful values that I'm
[42:06] sure um that you can pull from, but I
[42:09] completely again I'm I'm talking to a a
[42:12] friend from a from a long time ago as we
[42:14] sit and have a coffee just talking about
[42:15] the life and the things we enjoy talking
[42:18] about. That's that's absolutely what
[42:19] this conversation is for me. It's just
[42:21] so fun. It I resonate so much.
[42:24] >> Oh, I love that. I love that. And I
[42:27] think that
[42:29] I think one thing I want to mention is
[42:31] that we don't do it alone.
[42:33] >> Yeah.
[42:34] >> You know, so much of it is
[42:38] like being able to give yourself
[42:41] in ways that we maybe were hoping to get
[42:46] from others. So yes, we that experience
[42:49] of it is a a [clears throat] very
[42:53] individualized journey.
[42:55] >> Yeah.
[42:57] And and
[43:00] who we are in relationship is a
[43:03] reflection of
[43:05] is everybody is a mirror. I see everyone
[43:08] as a mirror to who we are and an
[43:11] opportunity to understand ourselves
[43:13] better.
[43:14] >> Absolutely.
[43:15] >> An opportunity to offer other people in
[43:19] a space to be curious about themselves.
[43:21] And so I see success is doing this as a
[43:26] collective and reminding ourselves
[43:31] of our shared humanity, our shared and
[43:36] this isn't just humanity, our shared
[43:38] aliveness with the world that exists
[43:40] around us with all living things, you
[43:44] know. So that to me is is a very
[43:46] important aspect that I think is
[43:49] important to express.
[43:52] Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely.
[43:56] Music music has this
[44:00] and beautiful way of helping us to
[44:03] communicate, you know, sometimes beyond
[44:05] what words can can express. You know,
[44:09] I'm curious where were there emotions
[44:13] that only music could express? I know
[44:16] you spoke about the music being healing
[44:18] and being able to release that way that
[44:20] that words couldn't touch and just only
[44:23] music could bring that expression
[44:25] forward and I'd love to know more about
[44:27] how you brought that through your album.
[44:31] >> Absolutely. I think that music touches
[44:33] on things that words could never touch
[44:36] 100% and it's universal. You know,
[44:39] somebody from AC across the world could
[44:43] listen to your music and feel your
[44:45] experience and they may not understand
[44:48] the language that you speak, you know,
[44:51] but they understand that language. And I
[44:53] think that
[44:56] honestly growing up I have always had a
[44:59] challenge with words and
[45:03] and insecurity and struggle. um
[45:09] expressing myself and articulating
[45:11] and music was my voice in a way that
[45:15] felt could sing every aspect of my heart
[45:19] and soul in a way that nothing else
[45:22] could express.
[45:24] >> And
[45:27] and I I think that that is why it is so
[45:32] powerful is because it is such a
[45:34] universal language.
[45:37] And
[45:39] it bring it invites people in, you know,
[45:44] it invites people into this
[45:48] mutual understanding in a way this that
[45:51] resonance
[45:54] >> and and you may not be able to quite
[45:56] know
[45:57] what that's all about. You know, you may
[46:01] not be able to identify in yourself what
[46:05] is it about this that is really
[46:06] resonating? Why am I feeling so moved
[46:09] and emotional by this?
[46:12] >> Right? And I think that that's the power
[46:15] that music holds that is able to
[46:20] invite us in. It's an invitation and
[46:24] it's it's I I don't control it, you
[46:28] know. It's not me making the music. It's
[46:32] me being a vessel for this music to come
[46:37] through me and express,
[46:39] you know, the channeling. [laughter]
[46:43] >> Love that. And as you said, we, you
[46:45] know, we're mirrors. We reflect things.
[46:47] So I I think that music does the same.
[46:50] When you hear a particular cadence or
[46:52] rhythm or interval or frequency,
[46:54] however, whatever words you want to
[46:56] bring from a musical standpoint that
[46:58] touches something in you, it's it's
[47:02] something that's already there, it's
[47:03] just offering you that reflection, that
[47:06] catalyst and and it's so it's so
[47:08] beautiful. And then when we can, you
[47:10] know, work with work with this
[47:12] intentionally. So when listening to your
[47:14] music as you said being a space where
[47:16] people can find stillness, can allow,
[47:20] can just let go and and receive those
[47:23] moments that we can create intentionally
[47:26] create such a powerful I will even say
[47:28] magical space where so much can come
[47:32] forth.
[47:33] >> Absolutely.
[47:34] >> Absolutely. especially in a world we
[47:37] live in that everything is so fast-paced
[47:40] and so much information is being thrown
[47:43] at us constantly
[47:46] in short, right? Our our attention spans
[47:48] are so short
[47:50] >> um based on the way that we're receiving
[47:53] information. And I think that the
[47:56] ability to just take a pause, a sacred
[47:59] pause and in that and and slow down is
[48:04] so not only important but so needed.
[48:08] It's so needed right now. And
[48:12] it helps us see one another in ways that
[48:16] information and the intellect [laughter]
[48:19] >> could could never. And I I and I think
[48:22] that you speak on something really
[48:23] important is that about resonance and
[48:26] what music does is that it does reflect
[48:28] something that is already
[48:30] >> within us
[48:32] >> and that's why it resonates, right?
[48:34] There's a reason for that
[48:36] >> and I I just love that. I love that
[48:38] idea, that understanding.
[48:41] >> Yeah.
[48:42] >> So looking back now, I mean hindsight's
[48:44] a beautiful gift. Looking back now, is
[48:47] there something that you're, you know,
[48:49] going through overcoming cancer that
[48:52] taught you that you don't think you
[48:55] could have learned any other way?
[49:01] >> Absolutely. Play. You know, it
[49:05] >> my my nickname that my friends have
[49:07] given me is Playa. [laughter]
[49:09] >> Oh my gosh, I love that.
[49:11] >> Yes. because it brought me home to my
[49:14] play
[49:16] >> and the way that I parent, you know, I
[49:20] think that that has been the greatest
[49:21] gift is
[49:23] >> how I can now pass that on to my son and
[49:27] how I can I think that's why I feel so
[49:29] passionate about the work that I'm doing
[49:32] in Journey Rebirth is now that I have
[49:36] this experience that is continuing to
[49:38] unfold, you know,
[49:41] How can I share this gift
[49:45] of play of presence and and to continue
[49:49] to learn from that space and I would
[49:53] have never experience life in that way.
[49:57] You know, there are moments now I when
[50:00] I'm taking my son to school, you know,
[50:03] if sometimes I remember like it was such
[50:06] a struggle getting him into class and at
[50:08] a certain time and he just wanted to
[50:10] stay home and it's like, okay, we got to
[50:13] do this. The structure, the structure,
[50:15] like we're so confined by timelines and
[50:17] structure.
[50:19] How can we expand time
[50:22] is through play. So, I was like, "Okay,
[50:25] let's how about we take the the ebike to
[50:28] school?" And not just take the ebike to
[50:30] school, but how do we create
[50:32] imagination? Pretend like we're going
[50:33] through a roller coaster and just
[50:36] [snorts] finding this playfulness and
[50:38] connection with my kid. And how does
[50:42] that impact the rest of his day? How
[50:44] does that set him up for the rest of
[50:47] your day? When you can create some sort
[50:50] of ritual or sense of connection,
[50:54] movement, playfulness in the morning,
[50:57] like take a notice on how that
[51:01] >> transforms.
[51:02] >> Yeah. How the energy we start our day
[51:04] with absolutely matters. You know,
[51:07] >> I'm curious as you've spoken about your
[51:09] your son a few times and you mentioned
[51:11] when you were going through, you know,
[51:13] having the diagnosis and everything that
[51:15] you found out and that's beautiful story
[51:16] that you shared that he was around two
[51:18] at the time. I'm curious how you
[51:21] navigated that part of your life during
[51:23] those really challenging moments because
[51:26] it was very beautiful for you to come
[51:27] home and and see the gift that he is and
[51:29] notice all of the beautiful things you
[51:32] shared earlier. And I'm sure there were
[51:33] times of course that you were going
[51:35] through your own stuff and I'm still
[51:37] mom. So can we speak a little bit about
[51:40] that part of your journey?
[51:42] >> That was the most difficult part of my
[51:44] journey 100%. And I'm so grateful to my
[51:48] mom who was able to step in and support
[51:51] me um so that I was able to give myself
[51:56] moments of that space that I needed and
[51:59] the ways in which I navigated
[52:02] my
[52:04] um and the ways that I was able to share
[52:09] with my son about what I was going
[52:12] through was was through be was through
[52:16] honesty and conversing with him in the
[52:19] ways that he was able to take in that
[52:21] information. So instead of hiding away
[52:25] by the fact that, you know, like the way
[52:27] that chemo was impacting me and I needed
[52:30] to sleep and all of that, I had to
[52:34] in his language say
[52:37] certain things like
[52:40] I'm mommy's getting juices or like su
[52:43] Oh, I called it superpower juices
[52:46] >> and it makes mommy tired, you know, and
[52:49] so that he understood that there was
[52:51] something that I was doing that didn't
[52:53] make it about him or me leaving him.
[52:56] That was so important for me to be able
[53:00] to hold the boundary and the space that
[53:03] I needed while communicating in a way
[53:06] that was clear for him for so that he
[53:09] didn't somehow
[53:11] feel abandoned
[53:13] by me needing to take care of myself.
[53:16] And that was the most Oh, it makes me
[53:19] emotionally when thinking about it
[53:20] because
[53:22] that was that is the most that is the
[53:24] hardest thing as a mom because you know
[53:30] and full circle
[53:34] what's interesting is that when my son
[53:37] was born,
[53:39] it actually helped me recognize all the
[53:42] ways that I had abandoned my own needs.
[53:48] And the way that I showed up for my son
[53:50] made me recognize it highlighted all the
[53:54] ways I had not shown up for myself.
[53:58] And so in a way this was an opportunity
[54:02] for me to be with him and be with myself
[54:08] at the same time
[54:11] as best as I knew how.
[54:14] And when I was well,
[54:17] I I tried my best to stay in that
[54:20] playful state of mind with him
[54:23] >> while navigating,
[54:26] you know, the unknown.
[54:28] >> Yeah.
[54:30] I just want to celebrate you and how you
[54:35] see so many opportunities in in the
[54:38] darkness and in the hard times because
[54:41] you know that for you to see these
[54:43] things as a gift while going through
[54:45] something that can be very very
[54:47] challenging and life-threatening and all
[54:49] of this and to see these things as a
[54:51] gift and a reminder uh again coming back
[54:54] to looking within yourself and saying
[54:56] and and I need to look after me
[54:59] And I can also give people love even
[55:01] though I'm going through a hard moment.
[55:03] And I can also remember play and know
[55:05] that I can jump in the puddles and I can
[55:08] You're just bringing such a beautiful
[55:10] thread of again coming back to how you
[55:14] meet life
[55:16] really matters
[55:19] >> and that is so beautiful.
[55:20] >> Thank you for saying that and know that
[55:22] for the people who are listening that I
[55:24] didn't get there right away. There was
[55:27] the, you [laughter] know, I had to go
[55:30] through everything that didn't work to
[55:33] get there.
[55:34] >> But where we can meet our pain
[55:40] as I say pain is the messenger, not the
[55:43] message,
[55:45] >> you know.
[55:46] >> Yeah. How can we use
[55:50] our pain or how can we experience our
[55:53] pain and what it is revealing
[55:57] >> about our relationships with oursel and
[56:01] how we show up with the world. What was
[56:03] underneath the pain?
[56:05] And to me
[56:09] through different meditations I did,
[56:12] I'll do a shout out to Sarah Blondon who
[56:15] has like I I as a ritual on a daily
[56:19] basis would listen to these meditations
[56:23] that shared about the wisdom of pain
[56:27] >> and the wisdom of letting go, the wisdom
[56:30] of these areas that we don't often want
[56:34] to touch.
[56:35] Yeah.
[56:36] >> And to lean into it as an opportunity.
[56:39] The more I leaned in, as challenging as
[56:41] it was, the more I was able to
[56:46] understand the gifts underneath and it
[56:49] took time. So that is why I invite
[56:52] people into
[56:54] they're like, "Why would I want to go
[56:55] there?" No, I'm going to keep that right
[56:57] over there. There's an opportunity there
[56:59] if you're willing.
[57:00] >> Yeah.
[57:02] and offering yourself compassion no
[57:03] matter what you choose because it's such
[57:05] a personal journey.
[57:06] >> Absolutely.
[57:08] >> That's so beautiful.
[57:08] >> Absolutely.
[57:09] >> It is a personal journey and abs. That's
[57:13] so well said to meet yourself with
[57:15] compassion in every step of the way.
[57:17] >> Amazing.
[57:19] >> Yeah.
[57:19] >> Oh, I feel so full. My heart is
[57:22] overflowing. Um, I also want to say a
[57:25] quick congrats because I did notice
[57:27] recently, I think I only saw that today,
[57:29] that you are, um, an award nominee uh,
[57:33] for one of your songs, Warrior.
[57:35] Beautiful title again. Um, to, you know,
[57:38] be able to go through a lot of what
[57:40] you've just shared with us and our
[57:41] listeners. I really hope that this
[57:43] resonates with you and you know
[57:45] definitely share with us your takeaways
[57:47] from this amazing conversation with play
[57:51] with Leila [clears throat]
[57:52] [laughter]
[57:52] and um I just want to again just
[57:55] celebrate you and and what you're doing
[57:56] really to help us remember that music is
[58:00] a gift and it has the power not only to
[58:02] tell our stories but also to heal them.
[58:06] >> Absolutely. [clears throat]
[58:08] >> Take a moment. That's all right. [cough]
[58:14] One second.
[58:18] Absolutely. And thank you again
[58:22] >> for this. [clears throat]
[58:24] Oh, my voice.
[58:25] >> You can take a moment, Laya, cuz we can
[58:26] just cut this piece. That's okay.
[58:31] [cough]
[58:36] >> I went down the wrong pipe.
[58:38] >> I know how that is.
[58:40] >> [laughter]
[58:42] >> Yes,
[58:43] >> thank you. Thank you for this
[58:45] opportunity to be able to share my
[58:47] story. I think so much of what I have
[58:51] been processing
[58:53] over the years is finally able to come
[58:57] out and I really uh value the
[59:01] opportunity to be able to share the
[59:03] story. So, thank you for that. And
[59:06] [clears throat] um I also wanted to
[59:09] mention that um some exciting news about
[59:14] journey to rebirth and the ways that we
[59:17] are expanding is um we are now fiscally
[59:22] sponsored by
[59:24] healing tree and uh it is a nonprofit
[59:27] organization that
[59:30] provides resources and education for
[59:32] trauma-informed therapy for people who
[59:35] may not have access to it. And so I just
[59:38] find there always is such an a beautiful
[59:42] opportunity to
[59:44] expand and to create and co-c
[59:47] collaborate in these spaces. So I just
[59:50] feel so honored to continuously
[59:53] collaborate and to co-create and to
[59:56] share in conversation about these really
[59:59] beautiful experiences. So, thank you for
[1:00:02] having me and I'm excited to see where
[1:00:05] else this goes.
[1:00:07] >> Oh, absolutely. Yes. Thank you for
[1:00:09] sharing that. It's it's brilliant to to
[1:00:12] learn about what's possible and and um
[1:00:14] the opportunities that are around for
[1:00:15] this work. Now, I do ask all of my
[1:00:18] guests the same question at the end, and
[1:00:20] that is what is your soulful sound to
[1:00:23] the world? And that's just a prayer or
[1:00:25] desire that you wish to the world.
[1:00:33] The first word that just comes up is
[1:00:35] curiosity.
[1:00:37] Stay curious.
[1:00:39] >> Stay curious.
[1:00:40] >> Stay curious.
[1:00:41] >> So it is.
[1:00:43] >> Yes. Thank you.
[1:00:44] >> Thank you so much.
[1:00:47] >> Thank you for having me.
[1:00:48] >> Such a pleasure.
[1:00:51] >> As you come to the end of this offering,
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