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Shamanic Divination Training: Structure, Land, and Spirit Work

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Foundation for Shamanic Studies
Nov 3, 2026
9 min de lecture

Source : The Foundation for Shamanic Studies

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In the early years, the rocks in Alex Solomon's bedroom were her friends. She talked to trees in the yard, talked to plants, and journeyed to her power animal long before anyone handed her a name for what she was doing. Decades later she is a licensed clinical social worker, a teacher of core shamanism on the East Coast and online, and a practitioner who has built a training space on about an acre and a half in East Hartford, Connecticut. In a 2026 episode of the Way of the Shaman podcast, hosted by Kerri Husman, she traced that arc: how an intuitive child found a discipline, how that discipline kept two demanding professions from colliding, how a physical place reshaped her relationship to land and ancestors, and why divination, the subject of her Advanced Shamanic Divination Training, is for her a working tool for healing and decision-making rather than a parlor trick. What follows draws on that conversation to explain the ideas underneath it.

Lecture · 6 sections

How does a child who talks to rocks become a shaman?

Solomon's origin story is not dramatic in the way popular accounts of shamanism often are. It is quiet and domestic. She was an only child until she was ten and a half, and she spent a lot of time outside. Her mother, as she put it, lovingly sent her out of the house. What she describes is a child who never stopped doing something the adults around her did not share. "I know a lot of kids that have that experience do," she told the podcast, "but I didn't."

That detail matters, because it defines the problem her later training would solve. She did not come to shamanism as a seeker looking for an exotic practice. She came to it as someone who was already doing the thing and had to figure out what it was. In her teens she found a few adults with some experience, and through books she kept the work going into college. She was not, in her own telling, trained in any formal sense. She had a path forward, but not a map.

The map arrived when she found the Foundation for Shamanic Studies and, through it, Nan Moss and David Corbin, who were teaching in Maine at the time. Her first workshop there is where the story turns from innate ability to disciplined craft.

What does structure add to a practice that already works?

This is the question the episode keeps returning to, and Solomon's answer is more specific than "structure is good." She had been journeying for years without it. "I didn't need the structure in order to do the practice," she said. What the workshop gave her was "really discipline and depth."

"What it opened up was really discipline and depth. Because as someone always journeyed, I just did it. I didn't need the structure in order to do the practice. But what I found was that getting the structure and getting a more disciplined way to go into the journey and to open a circle because just me and my house is still a circle, right? Me and my spirits."
Alex Solomon, Way of the Shaman podcast (Foundation for Shamanic Studies), episode published November 3, 2026, around 2:52

The phrase "just me and my house is still a circle" is worth sitting with. It names something many practitioners quietly know: a ritual container does not require a temple. It requires a deliberate act of opening, a clear boundary between ordinary attention and the space where spirits are met. Without that act, a journey can be vivid and still wander. With it, the practitioner can go deeper and return with more coherent information.

Solomon also addresses the friction that people coming from less formal methods often feel. The host raised it directly, asking whether a plan and steps felt like guide rails that were uncomfortable to accept. Her answer was that it did not. She has always been drawn to ceremony and likes a longer ritual at the start of a session. For her, structure "felt more like it opened doors." That is a useful distinction for anyone wary of formal method. The question is less whether structure constrains and more whether a given structure suits the way you already work.

Can you keep shamanic work and clinical social work separate?

Solomon is a licensed clinical social worker, and she is emphatic that the two practices should not blur. Her reasoning rests on frames. The code of ethics for a shamanic practitioner, which she notes is posted on the Foundation's website, differs from the social work code, and she wants to work within a defined frame because the frame "provides a container for whatever the work is that I'm doing."

The clinical modalities she uses, including EMDR and structural dissociation work, carry their own structure. Her warning is blunt: "trying to crash two frames together doesn't necessarily make beautiful artwork, it might make a car wreck." In practice, this means she refers people in both directions. If a therapy client is curious about shamanic work, she has colleagues to recommend. If a shamanic client could benefit from therapy, she has local therapists who know what she does and accept referrals.

The boundary work is also about who carries responsibility. Solomon says that in all her years doing both, she has combined the two with only one person, and that this person was able to maintain boundaries without much help from her. Most of her clients need her help with that. Her position is that, under her social work code, the responsibility for maintaining boundaries is hers. She argues it is not reasonable to expect someone who is not a social worker to know what that code says. The lesson for practitioners generally is that the teacher or healer holds the frame, and a student should not be asked to hold it for them.

Where does a practice live when it lives on land?

Solomon recently launched a health collective with a business partner who is also a clinical social worker and a yoga instructor. Together they purchased an older mansion that had been renovated internally over the years, including a dedicated training space. The property sits on a little under an acre and a half in a residential neighborhood toward the Manchester end of East Hartford, near smaller tributaries that run to the Connecticut River, next to East Hartford Middle School. She describes watching a stream of middle schoolers pass her window during a 2:50 session.

The reason this matters to her is ownership and continuity. She has trained with faculty who taught out of their homes, and her own house is not set up for that work. Owning a space means she can "get to know the land and work with the land" without the anxiety of rent hikes or a landlord changing direction. That stability is what she calls deeply rewarding. Land-based practice depends on relationship over time, and a relationship that can be uprooted by a lease is hard to deepen.

This connects to her wider interest in land and ancestors, which the episode covers in its middle section. Her chapter on ancestors and cultural heritage, and her approach to working with spirits of place, both depend on the same premise: a practitioner returns to the same ground, the same helpers, the same circle, and learns through repetition what each one responds to.

Why does divination matter for healing and decision-making?

The second half of the episode turns to divination, the subject of the workshop. The episode's chapter structure signals its shape: the purpose of divination in shamanic practice, advanced techniques, the relationship with power objects, personal experiences, the difficulties of learning methods, and then the case for divination as a tool for healing and decision-making.

Solomon's framing of divination, as summarized in the episode, is practical. It is a way of getting information from helping spirits in order to act well, not an end in itself. The host's summary of her view connects divination to healing: a practitioner builds divination skill so that the answers serve the work of healing. That ties back to the structure she valued at the start. Divination done without a clear container and clear questions produces noise. Done inside a disciplined ritual frame, it becomes a repeatable practice that can guide choices in the consulting room, the home, or a difficult personal decision.

The episode also emphasizes ongoing relationship. In its closing chapters, Solomon encourages continued practice and the building of relationship with spirits. The implication is that divination improves the way any skill does: through regular use, honest review of what was right and what was not, and patience with the learning curve. The spirits are not a vending machine. They are relationships, and the quality of the answers tends to follow the quality of the attention.

  • Structure does not replace experienced journeying; it deepens it by giving the practitioner a reliable way to open and close a circle.
  • Frames matter: a clinical practice and a shamanic practice each carry their own ethics, and keeping them distinct protects both.
  • Land rewards long relationship, and secure tenure makes that relationship possible.
  • Divination is presented as a means to healing and better decisions, practiced through repetition and ongoing relationship with helping spirits.

Where to go from here

If this conversation resonates, the most useful next step is to listen to the full episode, which runs about forty-five minutes and includes Solomon's reflections on mentors Nan Moss and David Corbin, her work with ancestors and cultural heritage, and her discussion of inclusion of the queer community in shamanism. The Foundation for Shamanic Studies, at shamanism.org, lists the Advanced Shamanic Divination Training and the Foundation's faculty, including Solomon's biography, and it publishes a code of ethics for shamanic practitioners that she references directly.

For readers new to core shamanism, Solomon's story offers a grounded entry point. You do not need to have been a dramatic seeker. You may already be doing the work in your own yard. What the discipline adds is a container, an ethic, and a way of asking questions that the spirits can answer clearly. Start with the container, respect the frame you are working within, and keep returning to the same ground.

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[0:00] [Music]

[0:08] You are listening to the Way of the

[0:09] Shaman podcast with

[0:10] your host, Kerri Husman.

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[0:20] and does not constitute

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[0:26] interviewees reflect their personal

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[0:40] Hello and welcome to the Way of the

[0:41] Shaman podcast. I'm your

[0:43] host, Kerri Husman, and today,

[0:45] Alex Solomon is joining us. She teaches

[0:49] on the East Coast,

[0:50] primarily in Connecticut,

[0:51] and teaches online. And we're going to be

[0:54] talking about her own journey into

[0:56] shamanism, as well as

[0:57] advanced shamanic divination training,

[1:00] which is a wonderful course

[1:02] to really build your skills,

[1:04] working with your helping spirits on

[1:06] divination methods. Welcome, Alex.

[1:09] Thank you for having me.

[1:10] So glad you're here today and so glad we

[1:12] get to talk about

[1:14] this important workshop.

[1:16] So but first, I'd love to hear more about

[1:18] your journey, how core

[1:20] shamanism and Michael

[1:22] Harner's work found you.

[1:25] So I'm someone who always journeyed. I

[1:28] was always aware of my

[1:30] power animal from when I was

[1:32] four or five years old. I was an only

[1:35] child until I was 10 and a

[1:37] half. And so I was always outside

[1:40] the yard. My mother very lovingly would

[1:43] say, you know, get out of

[1:45] my house. And so I would

[1:48] go out in the yard and I would talk to

[1:49] the trees and I would talk

[1:50] to the plants and talk to the

[1:52] rocks. And it took me a while to figure

[1:56] out that other children

[1:57] weren't doing that. And I was

[2:00] sort of the weird kid that was that was

[2:02] talking to rocks, and that

[2:04] the rocks in my room were my

[2:06] friends. And that wasn't that wasn't how

[2:08] everybody thought of

[2:09] it. So I never stopped

[2:13] journeying. I know a lot of kids that

[2:15] have that experience do but I

[2:18] didn't. And I was fortunate to

[2:23] find some adults in my teen years that

[2:26] had some experience. And I

[2:28] wouldn't say I really got

[2:30] training per se, but I did have a little

[2:34] bit of a path forward. And

[2:37] so through reading books and

[2:38] continuing that way, I continued the work

[2:42] through college. And then

[2:43] after college, I must have gone

[2:46] to the internet. I don't know that I was

[2:50] aware of the foundation. And so once

[2:52] again, very fortunate

[2:54] to find the foundation and to find Nan

[2:56] Moss and David Corbin, who

[2:59] were teaching up in Maine at the

[3:00] time. And so I went and I took my first

[3:03] workshop. Beautiful. And what

[3:07] was that first workshop like

[3:08] for you? What did that open up? What it

[3:12] opened up was really discipline and

[3:15] depth. Because as someone

[3:16] always journeyed, I just did it. I didn't

[3:21] need the structure in order to do the

[3:24] practice. But what I

[3:26] found was that getting the structure and

[3:29] getting a more disciplined way

[3:32] to go into the journey and to

[3:36] open a circle because just me and my

[3:38] house is still a circle,

[3:40] right? Me and my spirits.

[3:42] It gave me a way to start to go deeper.

[3:46] Got it. And, you know, realistically,

[3:50] because other people do come to this from

[3:52] methods where they just go

[3:53] there versus have a structure

[3:56] and a plan and a focus and steps, was it

[4:00] hard to incorporate that at

[4:02] first because it felt like

[4:04] someone was like putting guide rails on

[4:06] you in a way that felt

[4:08] uncomfortable? Or was that pretty

[4:10] difficult to do when you started to

[4:11] realize it improved your efficiency?

[4:14] Yeah, I think it was

[4:15] pretty easy. I've always been drawn to

[4:17] ceremony and I like to have

[4:20] a little bit of a, I don't

[4:23] know what long is, but a little bit of a

[4:25] longer ritual when I get

[4:27] started. And so it gave me more.

[4:33] And so it didn't feel constricting at

[4:36] all. It felt more like it opened doors.

[4:42] Nice. Now, fast forward a little bit. We

[4:46] know that you became a

[4:48] licensed clinical social worker

[4:50] and you have a separate shamanic

[4:51] practice. Now, how do you navigate these

[4:55] two separate practices successfully

[4:58] for you? So I am really cautious about

[5:03] keeping things separate.

[5:05] It's important to me to keep

[5:06] things separate for a few reasons. One is

[5:10] that the code of ethics

[5:12] for a shamanic practitioner,

[5:14] and yes, we do have one up on the FSS

[5:17] website and the code of

[5:20] ethics for social work

[5:22] are a little bit different. And I want to

[5:24] make sure that I'm

[5:26] operating within a particular frame

[5:28] because that provides a container for

[5:30] whatever the work is that I'm doing.

[5:34] The modalities I use, you know, using

[5:38] core shamanism and using

[5:42] the modalities of clinical

[5:43] social work, I use a lot of EMDR, I do a

[5:47] lot of structural

[5:48] dissociation work, you know,

[5:50] my therapeutic modalities, they have a

[5:52] particular structure in a particular

[5:54] frame. And trying to

[5:57] crash two frames together doesn't

[6:01] necessarily make beautiful artwork, it

[6:04] might make a car wreck. And

[6:05] so I want to be really cautious about

[6:08] keeping the frame that I'm in. And so if

[6:11] I have somebody who's

[6:13] seeing me for therapy, and who's

[6:14] interested in shamanic work, I have

[6:17] people I can refer to. And

[6:18] if I have someone who's seen me for

[6:19] shamanic work, and I think

[6:21] could benefit from therapy,

[6:23] I have therapists in my community who

[6:25] know what I do and who are willing to

[6:27] accept those referrals.

[6:29] Thank you for that. And I could only say

[6:32] yes to all of that.

[6:34] That's how I operate as well

[6:36] as a psychiatrist. And, you know, and

[6:38] sometimes people don't know

[6:39] what they want. They've been

[6:41] drawn to you for some reason, and I'm

[6:42] sure this probably happens

[6:44] as well, where you're doing a

[6:46] some type of contact to figure out how

[6:49] can I best serve this

[6:50] individual considering their

[6:53] experiences in life. Yeah, I mean, I

[6:58] can't say it's never. But in all the

[7:01] years that I've been

[7:02] doing both, I think I've combined with

[7:05] one person. And that was

[7:09] somebody that was really able to maintain boundaries without a lot of

[7:15] assistance from me. And I work with people that do

[7:18] need assistance from me

[7:19] to maintain boundaries. And

[7:20] it's my job to maintain. That's what my

[7:23] social work code of

[7:24] ethics says is that it's on me.

[7:27] And I you know, I can't it's not

[7:29] reasonable for me to expect somebody who

[7:31] isn't a social worker to

[7:32] know what my code of ethics says. So in

[7:36] order to in order to even dabble in

[7:42] something that's very

[7:43] different from what we've been doing, it

[7:46] needs to be somebody who is

[7:48] really able to do that. And

[7:50] in all the years I've been doing this,

[7:52] it's been one person. So when we think

[7:57] about your space now,

[7:58] I've had the luxury of training under you

[8:01] and have been able to

[8:02] experience your space. Tell

[8:05] our listeners a little bit about your

[8:07] training facility and how

[8:08] you navigate all of that.

[8:10] Sure. So I have recently launched a

[8:22] health collective along

[8:24] with a business partner who

[8:25] has also done some shamanic trainings

[8:27] with me and is also a clinical social

[8:30] worker and she's also a

[8:32] yoga instructor. So we have purchased an

[8:37] older mansion that's been

[8:41] transformed over the years

[8:43] and has had internal renovations. And so

[8:45] it has a training space. So

[8:48] at this point, we are on a

[8:50] little less than an acre and a half right

[8:52] in the middle of East

[8:54] Hartford, well towards the

[8:56] Manchester end of East Hartford,

[8:58] Connecticut. So we are in a city in a

[9:00] residential neighborhood

[9:03] and we have beautiful trees and nearby

[9:07] there's smaller tributaries

[9:10] running to the Connecticut

[9:11] River. And you know, there's a there's

[9:15] there's a lovely residential

[9:17] neighborhood around us. We're

[9:18] right next to East Hartford Middle

[9:20] School. So anybody that has

[9:23] a two o'clock session with me

[9:25] at 2:50, we see the stream of middle

[9:28] schoolers going past my

[9:29] window heading to heading to

[9:31] wherever they're going. But what's been

[9:35] so rewarding about

[9:38] owning my own space, which

[9:41] when I've trained with faculty who own

[9:44] their own space, it was people teaching

[9:46] out of their houses.

[9:49] And my house is not conducive to that.

[9:51] When I'm online, sometimes

[9:52] I'll be home and sometimes

[9:53] I'll be in the office. But what's been so

[9:56] lovely about owning a space

[9:58] is really being able to get

[10:01] to know the land and work with the land

[10:04] in a way where I don't feel like I'm

[10:07] going to have to say

[10:08] goodbye or there's going to be turmoil in

[10:13] terms of rent hikes or the

[10:17] owner of the space wanting to

[10:19] go a different direction. So that's been

[10:21] really deeply rewarding.

[10:23] And I actually had a student

[10:25] who did maybe my first workshop in that

[10:29] space, which was the

[10:30] beginning of 2024. And then I taught

[10:33] spirits of nature right after that,

[10:34] because it was important for me to really

[10:37] have people on the land

[10:39] because I was new to the land and and the

[10:41] work was really new to

[10:42] the land. And she came back

[10:45] probably a year later and completely

[10:48] unprompted. She said, Alex, the land

[10:50] feels so much different.

[10:52] Wow. And that was deeply moving for me

[10:57] that someone else could

[10:58] feel the work we'd been doing.

[11:00] Yeah, the appreciation, the gratitude,

[11:03] the mutual respect. That really pays off.

[11:07] Wow, that's fantastic. Thank you for

[11:10] sharing that. Now, tell us a little bit

[11:14] you mentioned earlier

[11:16] Nan and David, some of your mentors, how

[11:18] have they influenced your approach to

[11:20] shamanism over the years?

[11:25] So I would say the biggest influence has

[11:29] been getting back

[11:30] outside. And I told you that as a

[11:32] kid, I was I was outside a lot. But at

[11:35] some point, that sort of got

[11:37] shut down. And I'm not sure

[11:39] exactly what happened. But I did stop

[11:44] going outside and talking to nature to

[11:46] the extent that I was.

[11:48] And I noticed it. I used to tell people

[11:53] where we do the residential

[11:55] programs on the east coast is

[11:57] in Virginia and the Blue Ridge Mountains.

[11:59] And there's a spot on the

[12:00] land where sort of part of

[12:02] my settling in is I go to that spot and I

[12:05] take a picture out

[12:06] over the mountains. And

[12:09] I used to tell people I do this. I've

[12:12] always done this every time I've come

[12:14] here. But I look back

[12:15] through my pictures. And in fact, that

[12:16] isn't the case. It started in

[12:20] the second year of the three

[12:22] year program that I started doing that.

[12:25] And so what I think has

[12:28] been the biggest influence

[12:31] of Nan in particular is getting me back

[12:34] outside. And she was someone

[12:36] who was so deeply connected

[12:38] to nature that that really made its way

[12:42] into my practice in a

[12:43] very profound way in terms of

[12:45] working with the land and communing and

[12:50] being in relationship with

[12:51] all the spirits around us.

[12:54] And I think of that as, you know, she's

[12:58] had so many influences on

[12:59] me. But I think that was really

[13:01] the biggest because that makes its way

[13:03] into my everyday life.

[13:05] Hmm. I love that. And I'm so glad you've

[13:08] been able to honor that knowledge by

[13:11] finding your way back

[13:12] outside. Fantastic. So shifting a little

[13:16] bit, and let's talk a little

[13:18] bit about working with your

[13:19] own ancestors, honoring the traditions of

[13:22] your own ancestry. How does

[13:25] that fit into your world? And

[13:26] is that still core shamanism? Great

[13:30] question. Working with

[13:32] ancestors is a really big part of

[13:34] work. I find that people who go deeply

[13:41] into this path tend to have

[13:43] affinities and different areas

[13:47] of the work that they really sink into.

[13:50] And for me, working with my

[13:52] ancestors has been a big part of

[13:55] my work. And I would say it's an affinity

[13:59] for me, along with

[14:01] divination, which is why we're talking

[14:04] about it. That's why we're here. But

[14:06] working with my ancestors

[14:08] has really been deeply healing

[14:11] because a lot of the more magical and

[14:18] more shamanic threads in

[14:19] my ancestry have been lost

[14:22] and been buried. That's been true for a

[14:24] lot of us. In my ancestry, I

[14:27] don't have to go quite as far

[14:29] as some people do, but my ancestors

[14:35] needed to assimilate to

[14:36] survive. And that means that a lot

[14:39] of what was there was not passed down to

[14:42] me by living ancestors. And

[14:46] I got a lot of family lore,

[14:48] and I got a lot of tradition and values

[14:53] that are specific to my culture. But

[14:58] there were things that

[14:59] didn't get that I really craved. And so

[15:03] being able to, from a

[15:05] core shamanic perspective,

[15:07] journey to the upper world and to the

[15:09] lower world and go to look for a

[15:12] particular kind of spirit,

[15:13] in this case looking for an ancestor from

[15:15] my lineage, has really

[15:17] been very deeply healing.

[15:19] And it's opened up a lot of areas of work

[15:22] that I would say aren't

[15:24] core. I've found them in a core way

[15:29] but they are specific to my culture. And

[15:33] in getting information from

[15:35] my ancestors and journeys,

[15:37] that's allowed me to go to texts and do

[15:40] research and talk to people

[15:42] who have more knowledge about

[15:44] this than I do and take that information,

[15:49] take it back to my

[15:50] ancestors and start to hone some of

[15:54] these ways of working. Oh, beautiful. So

[15:58] glad you were able to

[15:58] start with core shamanism,

[16:00] start with these very simple methods that

[16:03] we all begin with, but then

[16:05] take it in such a terrific

[16:07] direction. Thank you for sharing that.

[16:09] And I hope that inspires some folks to

[16:11] connect with their own

[16:12] ancestry. Yeah, I hope it does too. I

[16:16] have an in-person journey circle and

[16:19] we'll play with this

[16:21] sometimes. But I think what's so

[16:25] incredible about core

[16:26] shamanism is the way doors open.

[16:31] Right. And then we can take that and go

[16:35] where it is that we need to

[16:36] go with it. So it starts core.

[16:40] I don't remember who said this to me. I

[16:41] didn't make it up, but we

[16:43] all come from culture. And so

[16:46] find what is really our own individual

[16:50] shamanism. That's not core

[16:52] because it's unique to us,

[16:55] but the methods to get there are core.

[16:57] That might be an anism. I'm not sure.

[17:02] It could be. So as a faculty member and a

[17:06] member of the queer community,

[17:08] how do you see acceptance of the queer

[17:10] community in Western shamanic circles?

[17:15] It's really interesting because when I

[17:19] think about core

[17:20] shamanism and the fact that we are

[17:22] working with compassionate helping

[17:24] spirits whose only agenda is

[17:26] to alleviate suffering. For me,

[17:30] that brings acceptance and belonging and

[17:34] affirmation of whoever it is we are when we approach the spirit's

[17:39] and that's something that's deeply

[17:40] beautiful and very much needed

[17:44] for queer folks and also very

[17:47] affirming of our community. And I do find

[17:54] people who practice core

[17:55] shamanism who have that ethos and have that

[17:59] idea. What I also find is that there is a

[18:05] gender essentialism that

[18:09] has sort of made its way into

[18:12] really any non traditional. I want to

[18:20] phrase this a different way.

[18:22] Any sort of practice that is not

[18:25] traditionally religious

[18:27] that's practiced in the West. So

[18:31] you know the religions that we see, they

[18:34] have their own issues.

[18:36] That's beyond our scope today.

[18:39] But I think about the neo-pagan community

[18:44] and I think about the new age community.

[18:47] Those are not shamanism but I find that

[18:51] some of the gender essentialism

[18:55] in those communities has kind of leaked

[18:58] into ours. And do you see a way forward?

[19:06] Yes, I do. I think it's a winding road

[19:12] because we do bring

[19:17] ourselves into this work and that

[19:19] includes our prejudices. And so what I've

[19:23] seen is that people can feel deeply

[19:26] affirmed by this work

[19:28] and I've had a number of queer students

[19:31] and trans students and

[19:32] who feel affirmed and

[19:36] a lot of the time in circle it's we're

[19:38] all encircled to work

[19:39] with the spirits. And there's

[19:41] that sense of whoever we are we're

[19:43] accepted here in this circle

[19:44] and that's really beautiful.

[19:47] And sometimes and it's not frequent I'll

[19:51] have somebody come in

[19:52] that has these really

[19:56] intensely binary views. And what's so

[20:00] interesting to me about

[20:01] core shamanism is I find that

[20:03] binaries which were fuzzy for me to start

[20:05] with have gotten a lot

[20:07] more fuzzy because I'm getting

[20:09] this compassionate perspective. That as a

[20:12] human being with biases

[20:15] and opinions and experiences

[20:17] I don't have the capacity for that pure

[20:19] compassion. And so I get this other

[20:22] perspective and it helps me

[20:25] see things in a different light. But I

[20:28] have to be willing to

[20:29] release those biases in order to

[20:33] take on that compassionate perspective

[20:35] that I get from the spirits. Some people

[20:37] are just not willing

[20:38] to do that. And because we operate with

[20:44] permission I can't force

[20:47] them. And in the one or two times

[20:50] had it come into circle in that way. I

[20:52] don't find it productive to

[20:56] go down the rabbit hole with it

[20:58] because then we're having a debate. And

[21:00] it's it's just not what we're

[21:02] here for. I have to trust that

[21:06] people's biases will get alleviated as

[21:09] they continue with the work.

[21:12] I think that's a beautiful answer Alex

[21:14] and I appreciate it.

[21:16] What's also really interesting is when we

[21:20] think about gender and

[21:23] we think about how spirits

[21:24] present to us right. Many spirits are

[21:27] shape-shifting. They present it as a buck

[21:30] deer and now they're a

[21:32] divine feminine being in a humanoid form

[21:36] and moving back and forth

[21:38] where it where the gender

[21:41] isn't really that's relevant. You know

[21:45] it's so interesting when I get

[21:49] a gendered feel from a spirit right.

[21:52] Because if I'm outside

[21:53] and I'm talking to a tree

[21:57] on my property right. When you first come

[22:01] into my office space

[22:02] there's a gorgeous old oak tree

[22:05] and and a really really big and people

[22:09] are just drawn to the tree.

[22:10] When I first saw it when we

[22:11] first looked at the place with with our

[22:13] realtor I gasped literally

[22:16] because this tree is is so

[22:18] incredible. But I get a gendered feel

[22:21] from this tree. And when I

[22:22] have students that come back

[22:24] they develop a relationship and I've won

[22:27] in particular that as

[22:28] soon as he gets on the

[22:29] property he goes and he visits his friend

[22:31] the tree. That's just

[22:32] what he does. I think that's

[22:33] beautiful. I haven't asked him if he gets

[22:36] a gender. It's not important.

[22:38] But how do you get a gendered

[22:40] feel from a tree or from a stone right.

[22:44] It speaks to this experience of gender

[22:47] being something that

[22:48] is beyond us but also something that

[22:52] isn't so simple as biology. Right.

[22:58] Absolutely. You know

[23:00] in many cultures even languages they've

[23:03] had they've they've felt

[23:05] the need to choose like

[23:06] ships are feminine. Right. How did they

[23:09] come up with that. I don't

[23:11] know. Right. Yeah it's funny

[23:13] I speak decent Spanish you know a little

[23:16] bit of Hebrew a little bit

[23:17] of Yiddish. These are all

[23:19] gendered languages. And it's you know

[23:22] it's hard as someone

[23:24] who's a native English speaker

[23:26] trying to learn a gendered language

[23:28] because we don't have

[23:29] that concept. Right. So

[23:32] we think about all of the ways that

[23:34] gender manifests for us

[23:36] in our human experience.

[23:38] And then when you add shamanism on top of

[23:41] it how do we experience

[23:43] that when we are dealing with

[23:45] beings that don't have a body. When we're

[23:47] dealing with with spirits

[23:49] of nature and we get this gendered experience

[23:53] you know and what is it that we're

[23:55] experiencing. Yeah. And and it

[23:59] may be you know because again

[24:00] we have we bring our own life lived

[24:02] experiences biases

[24:05] everything prejudices everything else

[24:07] comes with us as part of our package.

[24:09] That does not mean that

[24:10] we can't grow learn evolve

[24:12] be more open with with shamanism by our

[24:16] side. So thank you for that

[24:17] discussion. I do appreciate

[24:19] yeah. So different question as far as how

[24:24] do you see the role of shamanism

[24:27] evolving in the modern world. So looking

[24:31] forward it's really

[24:35] interesting. I've started to notice

[24:38] that I have a lot of friends who are more

[24:42] distressed about the

[24:44] state of the world than I am.

[24:46] And I wanted to interrogate what that was

[24:50] about because I was raised

[24:52] to read the newspaper and

[24:54] I don't want to have my head in the sand.

[24:56] But what it is and I figured it out

[24:59] pretty quickly what it

[25:00] is is that working with core shamanism

[25:03] has given me a much longer

[25:05] view of you well past my own life

[25:08] time. And what that means is I am less

[25:11] distressed about the

[25:15] everyday and it's not that my heart

[25:16] doesn't ache when I see suffering in the

[25:18] world because it does. But

[25:21] I am not so reactive to it.

[25:24] I don't find myself on a roller coaster

[25:27] with the news. Thank you

[25:31] for that. I really do feel it.

[25:33] I'll qualify it. Sometimes I'm on a

[25:35] roller coaster but my

[25:36] roller coaster is is less deep

[25:39] plunges and loops. It's like a kitty

[25:42] roller coaster compared

[25:45] to some of the folks I see.

[25:46] And so where I see core shamanism having

[25:50] the potential to take us

[25:52] is in helping us to have

[25:55] a much longer view which I think is

[25:59] extremely helpful and also

[26:02] to have access to compassion

[26:04] that helps us to operate as better humans

[26:08] in the world and you know

[26:10] pick up any newspaper. You

[26:12] can see that we need that. We need deeper

[26:14] compassion but it also

[26:16] allows us to heal from

[26:19] what we are experiencing so

[26:21] that we aren't reacting

[26:24] to the past and to our own

[26:26] traumas. We are able to respond to what's

[26:30] in front of us. Absolutely.

[26:32] And with some of the workshops

[26:34] especially such as local and global

[26:37] change and and creativity

[26:40] and personal transformation

[26:44] those workshops all help us build skills

[26:49] in our real world today

[26:52] moving forward to be of assistance

[26:55] to figure out more ways to be supporting

[26:58] what's really near and dear

[26:59] and important to us. And so

[27:01] I really do like that answer Alex. Thank

[27:03] you. Now I would like to shift a little

[27:06] bit now into talking

[27:08] divination. So help us understand for

[27:12] those unfamiliar what is divination and

[27:15] what is it used for?

[27:19] So divination is from our perspective

[27:23] from a core shamanic

[27:24] perspective divination is

[27:27] going to the spirits for answers to

[27:29] questions and doing that in whatever

[27:34] there's so many different metods of divination

[27:36] so however we do that going to the

[27:39] spirits for answers. Very simple very

[27:42] straightforward. And how

[27:44] is that not quite the same as fortune

[27:46] telling? So when I think

[27:48] of fortune telling I think

[27:50] specifically of the future and there are

[27:54] different methods of it and

[27:56] people work from different

[27:58] paradigms. So some people who are not

[28:02] operating in a

[28:03] shamanic paradigm still have

[28:06] the idea that they're working with

[28:08] spirits. Some don't. Some are

[28:12] coming more from an intuitive

[28:14] perspective or an interpretive

[28:16] perspective like someone working with

[28:18] tarot who is looking at

[28:23] the cards and knows the numerology of it

[28:26] and knows the symbology of

[28:27] it and is starting from that

[28:29] place and maybe engaging some intuition.

[28:32] From our perspective

[28:33] we're asking the spirits.

[28:36] Got it. And what makes advanced shamanic

[28:40] divination training an advanced course?

[28:45] So the word advanced is newer and it's

[28:48] because we have an online divination

[28:52] workshop. And I believe

[28:55] there are no practices in common. There

[28:58] might be there might be one

[28:59] practice in common between the two of them

[29:02] but what makes the advanced in-person

[29:06] training advanced is if you

[29:08] do take that online divination

[29:11] this is going much deeper into the

[29:13] practice of going to

[29:15] spirits for answers to questions.

[29:18] What do you like most about this

[29:20] workshop? This is going to seem like a

[29:22] silly answer but I like

[29:25] to play with stuff. I am very much a

[29:29] stuff person. I work with

[29:32] power objects a lot in my practice

[29:35] and advanced divination is a doorway into

[29:40] that kind of work where

[29:41] we can start to develop

[29:43] relationships with the spirits of power

[29:46] objects and use them for

[29:47] divination. And for those who

[29:50] may not quite understand what that means

[29:51] can you describe what a power

[29:53] object is? Sure so I'm using

[29:55] the word stuff a little bit as a joke.

[29:58] I'll also use the word power

[30:00] finalia. I didn't make that up

[30:02] somebody said it to me but I like it. But

[30:06] what makes an object a power

[30:08] object is the relationship.

[30:10] For me relationship is the foundation of

[30:14] the work that we do and

[30:15] that's our relationship

[30:17] with helping spirits. And the reason they

[30:21] are helping spirits and

[30:22] not just random spirits is

[30:24] that we have this relationship. And so

[30:28] everything that is is alive and has

[30:30] spirit that's part of the

[30:32] shamanic world view. And so when we have

[30:35] an object that we work with for

[30:37] divination that we develop relationship

[30:40] over time the spirit of that object

[30:43] becomes a part of the work

[30:45] and becomes a helping spirit

[30:48] in its own way. We're working with the

[30:50] middle world spirit but

[30:54] the spirit of the object does

[30:56] participate in the process because we

[30:58] have this relationship.

[31:01] Wonderful and and power objects

[31:04] really have their place in your shamanic

[31:06] practice in assisting

[31:09] the clients that you serve.

[31:11] So and this is of course something you

[31:12] learn more about in these workshops. Now

[31:15] a follow-up question

[31:17] what do students seem to like most about

[31:20] this workshop from your

[31:21] experience as a faculty?

[31:24] So I tell people that some workshops go

[31:28] very deep and are very

[31:29] profound and some are more

[31:31] playful and fun. And this one I think can

[31:37] be quite playful as we're as

[31:40] we're doing this work. Some of

[31:41] them can be both. I find extraction for

[31:46] example to be both deep and

[31:47] playful. But and this workshop

[31:50] can be too because as we get answers to

[31:55] the questions that are on

[31:56] our hearts that can be its

[31:59] kind of healing. So there's a lot of

[32:04] profundity in this one

[32:05] but I think it really can be

[32:08] playful as we get to know these new

[32:11] methods because what this

[32:12] workshop is is really a survey

[32:14] of divination methods and that involves a

[32:19] lot of experimentation

[32:21] which you could also call play.

[32:23] We don't call it that as much as adults

[32:26] but what are children

[32:28] doing when they're playing?

[32:28] They're experimenting and they're

[32:30] learning about the world

[32:31] and so we are learning about

[32:34] the many many facets of what divination

[32:39] can look like and that can really be a

[32:42] very joyful experience.

[32:46] I wholeheartedly agree and I know I

[32:49] remember some very meaningful

[32:51] experiences especially from the

[32:53] first time I took this workshop but can

[32:55] you share a meaningful

[32:56] experience for you that stayed with

[32:58] one of the times you've taken this

[32:59] workshop? Sure so when I've taken this

[33:04] workshop I especially as

[33:07] a faculty member knowing that I have to

[33:09] show up with some questions it's it's

[33:13] been really meaningful

[33:14] to me to receive answers to things that

[33:20] are on my heart and one in particular

[33:25] that pops into my mind, I was

[33:28] training and there was another faculty

[33:30] member there and we

[33:31] happened to partner up for this

[33:33] particular practice but I had something

[33:35] going on in my life that

[33:37] was bugging me it was sort of

[33:39] sort of kind of gnawing at my brain

[33:43] background and so because

[33:46] she knew about it already I

[33:48] formulated a question about it and what

[33:53] she and her spirits did

[33:55] was they just pointed me in a

[33:57] completely different direction and said

[33:58] it's not helping you to to

[34:01] focus on this let it great let

[34:04] it go and I think what's so interesting

[34:07] about doing real

[34:10] divination working with the spirits

[34:12] is sometimes you get an answer like that

[34:15] which is this isn't the

[34:17] right question this isn't this

[34:19] you're going the wrong direction right

[34:21] and it's not that it's not

[34:22] compassionate but it's not just

[34:25] telling me what I want to hear and I

[34:27] always know I'm getting a real answer

[34:29] when I want to hear or not

[34:31] something I expect and so that really

[34:34] jumped out at me and and and

[34:37] feeling the power as she was

[34:40] saying the words in in what she was

[34:42] telling me and saying just

[34:44] sort of let it go wow that's not

[34:47] always my strong suit letting it go but

[34:50] it just it just pointed me a

[34:51] completely different direction

[34:53] it was really really helpful nice now I

[34:57] know these these various

[34:59] exercises and yes I would agree

[35:01] some of it does feel like play and that

[35:04] meaning that it can be

[35:05] really come very easily it feels

[35:07] almost natural very straightforward some

[35:11] of the methods though

[35:13] especially on your first try because

[35:14] most of the time the vast majority of

[35:16] students when they're doing

[35:19] some of these methods with

[35:20] certain crystals certain found objects

[35:23] with certain other spirits and we'll

[35:27] leave it at that just for

[35:29] not having to bring that complexity into

[35:31] the question but some

[35:33] things tend to be really easy

[35:34] and others can be almost impossible or

[35:37] really challenging the

[35:38] first go they may become easier

[35:40] with practice but but you know

[35:44] unfortunately sometimes

[35:45] people think that all these things

[35:47] should be just easy and natural so how do

[35:50] you help students along

[35:52] the way when they may find

[35:55] one of the many practices a bust it's

[36:00] hard I nothing happened

[36:02] I don't know I don't know

[36:03] if this is right at all I feel like my

[36:05] conscious mind got in the

[36:06] way how do you help them out

[36:09] so I have a two-part answer and it might

[36:12] sound like a contradiction

[36:14] but I don't think it is for

[36:15] the for the therapists out there you

[36:17] could call this a dialectic if that if

[36:20] that helps you it's a

[36:22] therapy joke anyway um one of the parts

[36:27] one one thing is that we

[36:30] have affinities for particular

[36:32] methods I could I can tell you right now

[36:34] what my primary divination

[36:36] method is and what my secondary

[36:38] is and and what I use most of the time

[36:41] that's because it's

[36:42] something that I just took to and

[36:45] always liked and it's it felt like a fit

[36:52] and so I tell people yes pay

[36:54] attention to what feels like

[36:56] it comes really naturally and what feels

[36:58] like maybe it doesn't because

[37:00] that might be a little bit of

[37:01] a clue about what's your method and

[37:05] what's not your method and at the same

[37:09] time give everything

[37:12] a try because some things take time to

[37:17] really become a part of

[37:20] your practice or for you to

[37:21] really get it and the example I give with

[37:24] this actually comes from

[37:25] the three-year program and

[37:26] I'm not going to name the practice but

[37:29] there was a practice

[37:30] that my three-year program

[37:32] just we we couldn't ask too many

[37:35] questions we just kept going and finally

[37:37] Nan said enough I'm not

[37:38] anymore about it find a partner and we

[37:40] said Nan but Nan she said no

[37:42] enough find a partner because

[37:44] we we were no longer asking helpful

[37:46] questions we were just having angst as a

[37:49] collective and so the

[37:51] first time I did it it really felt like a

[37:53] struggle and I thought well

[37:56] okay I guess that was sort of

[37:58] interesting but it was a struggle and

[38:01] then I'll say maybe eight

[38:04] or ten years later um I'm the

[38:06] assistant for the three-year programs on

[38:08] the east coast and when we

[38:10] have an odd number I partner

[38:12] with somebody if it's a partner exercise

[38:15] so I needed to partner with

[38:16] somebody for this practice

[38:19] and I hadn't tried it again I didn't take

[38:22] my own advice and so this

[38:25] was really the second time I

[38:26] had done it and it just blew my mind

[38:31] first of all it came so

[38:33] much more easily and also I got

[38:36] so much information from it and it wasn't

[38:40] a divination practice but

[38:41] I got so much information

[38:44] from it and I felt so much power my

[38:46] partner actually leans back

[38:48] because she could she could

[38:50] feel what was what was building up

[38:52] between me and my spirit and it was a

[38:55] really good lesson for me

[38:57] that over time as we change and we grow

[39:02] it's good to give some of

[39:03] these things a second try

[39:05] because you never really know when

[39:09] something is gonna click

[39:12] couldn't agree more I I will share

[39:15] that the very first time now subsequent

[39:19] times have been easier

[39:20] but the first time I did

[39:23] work with found objects I I felt it was a

[39:26] complete bust I felt my

[39:28] conscious mind was just

[39:31] yeah it I was not getting the information

[39:34] it was it felt just just felt

[39:38] wrong it just didn't work but over time I

[39:44] collected a group of fossils from my farm

[39:49] and they are extraordinary to work with

[39:54] and give such wonderful information

[39:58] and so I've I've found a way to make that

[40:01] practice work I'm so happy

[40:05] to have that yeah see that's

[40:07] that's my method and I have I have one

[40:10] set that's that's gone well beyond eight

[40:12] we tell you to bring

[40:13] eight small objects to the workshop it's

[40:15] gone well beyond eight and

[40:17] then I have one in the office

[40:19] I use just for clients that are coming in

[40:22] for healing and so that's

[40:25] that's always been since

[40:27] I learned it that's been my method nice

[40:31] so with that said it

[40:34] sounds like we've you know

[40:37] we've we've both shared how we've grown

[40:39] with this how do you encourage students

[40:43] other than practicing after this workshop

[40:48] do you find that

[40:49] there's anything that really

[40:50] helps students stick with those methods

[40:53] try them again yeah so I I tell people

[40:57] right from the basic

[40:58] workshop or the shamanic journey online

[41:00] that the most important work

[41:02] you do is the work you do on

[41:05] with your spirits and keeping up the

[41:07] practice I am a I would say a

[41:10] semi daily practice person I

[41:12] I don't know that it's seven days a week

[41:16] but having what I call a

[41:18] daily practice that this

[41:20] is the practice this is what it looks

[41:21] like and this is the frame

[41:23] of it because as I said I'm

[41:25] I'm a ritual person that really deepens

[41:29] the work for me and I

[41:31] encourage people to find what that

[41:33] looks like for them and to really

[41:35] practice and that includes

[41:37] things that we teach well before

[41:38] you get to advanced divination because

[41:41] the work that you do with

[41:42] your spirits and the building up

[41:44] of those relationships is what makes

[41:46] these practices start to really take on

[41:50] life in your own practice

[41:53] but I also tell people you can do

[41:55] divination for yourself or for other

[41:58] people or for the community

[42:00] and it's not that you can't make a

[42:02] decision on your own without

[42:04] your spirits you have to be able

[42:05] to make decisions on your own right but

[42:10] when you really start to

[42:11] practice and to get in the mindset

[42:13] that you're not in it alone and when you

[42:15] have something where you

[42:16] don't know which fork in the

[42:17] roads take you can ask your spirits about

[42:20] it that starts to

[42:22] integrate divination into your life

[42:26] in a way that's not oh I have to practice

[42:28] this because Alex said

[42:29] I have to practice it

[42:31] it's what does divination look like when

[42:35] I integrate it into my own life

[42:39] wonderful thank you so much for that Alex

[42:42] and I really hope that

[42:44] this discussion albeit brief

[42:47] helps our listeners to recognize that

[42:50] this workshop has real

[42:52] potential to build your

[42:54] relationships with your helping spirits

[42:56] in ways that you may not

[42:58] have expected may not have even

[43:00] thought possible and that each time that

[43:03] you're journeying and

[43:04] asking questions for yourself

[43:07] for pets for people for the planet that

[43:10] you are building your

[43:12] divination skills adding the

[43:14] techniques in this workshop it's like

[43:17] adding tools to the

[43:18] toolbox the tool belt that you've

[43:20] already been building with your journey

[43:22] practice any final words

[43:25] Alex that you'd like to share

[43:28] yeah I what I've seen is that the healing

[43:32] methods get a lot of

[43:33] attention yes and yes

[43:35] healing is important we have a tremendous

[43:37] need for shamanic healing

[43:38] in our society in our in our

[43:41] neighborhoods right but divination is at

[43:47] least as important

[43:48] because we need to be able to do

[43:50] divination in order to do healing because

[43:52] we need to ask what does this

[43:54] person need and a lot of the

[43:56] time when people come into my office it

[43:59] turns out they have a

[44:00] question and I'll say do you

[44:05] are you looking for healing about this

[44:07] issue or do you want answers to these

[44:09] questions and so a lot

[44:11] of the time my healing sessions turn into

[44:13] divination sessions

[44:14] because and I know where I

[44:17] got this I got this one from Susan Opie a

[44:21] faculty member at the

[44:21] foundation that sometimes the

[44:25] divination is the healing that the

[44:28] answers to questions are

[44:30] healing we can't be really really

[44:34] effective healers if we aren't effective

[44:36] diviners because we have to

[44:38] be able to go to our spirits and determine

[44:41] what's needed and also it's important on

[44:46] top of that because

[44:47] sometimes that's what people really

[44:49] need oh and with that we will close Alex

[44:54] thank you so much for your

[44:56] insights your wisdom sharing

[44:58] your lived experience with us today if

[45:01] you'd like to learn more about this

[45:03] workshop or any other

[45:04] workshop or working with Alex please

[45:07] check us out at

[45:08] shamanism.org thank you, thank you Kerri

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It is a workshop from the Foundation for Shamanic Studies focused on building divination skills with helping spirits, including advanced techniques and the use of power objects. In the podcast episode, host Kerri Husman describes it as a course for strengthening your work with helping spirits on divination methods.
She says she was aware of her power animal from age four or five and journeyed on her own, talking to trees, plants, and rocks as a child. She found a few adults with some experience in her teens, read books, and later found the Foundation for Shamanic Studies and its teachers Nan Moss and David Corbin in Maine.
Solomon found that a disciplined way to open a circle and enter a journey let her go deeper, even though she had journeyed for years without it. She describes the structure as opening doors rather than constraining her practice.
Solomon, a licensed clinical social worker, keeps them distinct because the two codes of ethics differ and each practice carries its own frame. She refers clients in both directions and says the practitioner, not the client, is responsible for maintaining boundaries.
The episode presents divination as a way of getting information from helping spirits so that practitioners can act well, with healing as the goal. Its chapters address the purpose of divination, advanced methods, and ongoing relationship with spirits.
Solomon says owning her training space lets her get to know the land and work with it over time, without fear of rent increases or a landlord changing plans. She describes that continuity as deeply rewarding for her practice.

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