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Divine Madness: Why Falling in Love Looks Like Insanity

Oct 30, 2026
9 min de lecture

Source : Be Here Now Network

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It opens the way Alan Watts' talks often open, with a voice that sounds like it is enjoying itself. A host named Mark Watts introduces an old recording called "Divine Madness," and then the lecturer begins by calling romantic love "a particularly virulent and dangerous form of divine madness." Somewhere in the first minute, a listener hears him describe a person who looks perfectly ordinary to everyone else and yet, to the one who is smitten, appears to be "god or goddess incarnate." The room is laughing. The joke, it turns out, is a serious argument: that falling in love is one of the most unreasonable things a human being can do, and that the modern institution of marriage was built, badly, to domesticate it. The episode, Ep. 42 of the Being in the Way podcast from the Be Here Now Network, is a 27-minute walk through that argument, from medieval poetry to the bedroom, ending on the claim that surrender is the only sane response to a love that is out of control.

Lecture · 6 sections

Why does Alan Watts call falling in love a form of madness?

Watts starts with the practical problem. Falling in love is disruptive, and nobody gets to schedule it. "You never know when it will strike or for what reason," he says, comparing it to a chronic illness: once you have it, you do not simply recover on your own timetable. It is also socially inconvenient. The feeling does not respect the boundaries that families, villages, and governments have spent centuries drawing around who may marry whom.

That unpredictability is the heart of the talk. Falling in love is a state that arrives uninvited and rearranges the lover's sense of what is important. In the description that accompanies the episode, the theme is put plainly: falling in love is "one of the most insane things we can do." Watts is not mocking the feeling. He is treating it with the seriousness of a force that can overturn a life, and he is asking what happens when we try to nail that force to a legal document.

How did marriage become a contract instead of a romance?

This is where the talk turns into a history lesson, and it is the most surprising stretch of the material. Watts argues that the Western idea of marriage and the experience of falling in love were, at their origins, "really rather separate things." In agrarian cultures, he says, nobody chose a marriage partner. A marriage was "an alliance of families," arranged to create a social unit smaller than a village but larger than a household. Grandparents with enormous influence "dicker and use go-betweens," weighing suitability alongside the dowry, and deciding whether the match would benefit both clans.

He reaches back to ancient Greece and to a word that, in his telling, has been badly misread. The Greek parthenos, usually rendered "virgin," meant in his account "a woman who chooses her own husband," and there were very few of them. He points to a line in the book of Isaiah that is often read as a prophecy about a virgin birth, noting that the Greek term there does not strictly mean a virgin at all. Whether or not a reader accepts that linguistic reading, Watts is using it for a larger purpose: to show that choosing your own spouse is the historical exception, not the rule.

Then came the knots. Watts describes the courtly love tradition that flowered in Provence in the Middle Ages, in which a knight-poet would fix his devotion on a lady, often a married one, and sing beneath her window without ever going to bed with her. He credits Denis de Rougemont's account of this, while noting a rival explanation he finds more plausible: that noble ladies, with husbands away hunting and making war, were simply bored and took lovers, and the poetry grew up around that reality. Both stories, for Watts, point to the same tension. Desire wanted to be free, and the social order wanted it to be contained.

"So then as a result of the gradual fusion of these two approaches to the relationship of the sexes we have arrived at the idea of the romantic marriage. In which the two trends are misallied to say the very least." — Alan Watts, "Divine Madness," as presented on the Being in the Way podcast, Ep. 42 (Be Here Now Network, 2026)

The result, in his words, is a strange hybrid. You are expected to fall in love of your own free choice, and then to seal that choice with a legal contract "in which you get up before a magistrate or priest and do solemnly curse and swear that you will be faithful to each other until death do you part." Watts jokes that this vow "often leads to murder," and the room laughs, but his underlying point is sober. Two people desperate to be together will promise almost anything to get there, and the contract is then asked to hold a feeling that was never designed to stay put.

What is the "secret intent" behind the repression of sex?

One of the more provocative threads in the talk concerns sexual repression. Watts says he has developed a theory, laid out in his book Beyond Theology, about what he calls the Christian repression of sex. His claim is that its "secret intent" was to make people more interested in sex. If sexual life were completely liberal and every door open, he argues, it would become so easy that it might become a bore, and people would drift toward other, less healthy diversions. Strict disapproval, in this reading, keeps the fire lit.

Watts also quotes a friend who insists that laws about sexual relationships should never be liberalized, because if disapproval fades and the forbidden becomes easy, "it's less fun." He does not present this as a prescription so much as a diagnosis of how desire behaves. The provocation is worth sitting with, whatever one thinks of the theory, because it reframes the old moral struggle as a kind of erotic engineering.

Why does Watts argue that surrender is the only sane response?

The talk's resolution is where the madness gets its name. The episode's description pulls out the central sentence: "Love is an act of surrender to another person, total abandonment. I give myself to you. Take me. Do anything you like with me." Watts acknowledges how mad that sounds, because it means letting things get out of control. But he flips the usual meaning of sense. The course of wisdom, he argues, is to let go, to commit oneself, to give oneself up. The conclusion he reaches is: "in madness lies sanity."

"Love is an act of surrender to another person, total abandonment. I give myself to you. Take me. Do anything you like with me. So, that's quite mad. It's letting things get out of control. Actually, the course of wisdom (what is really sensible) is to let go, to commit oneself, to give oneself up, and that's quite mad." — Alan Watts, quoted on the Being in the Way podcast, Ep. 42 (Be Here Now Network, 2026)

The episode's description lists the adjacent ideas that follow from this. Watts considers the notion of a partner as a "mutual guru and student," in which each person teaches and is taught. He discusses being truthful with one another and "setting each other free" inside a relationship, rather than holding each other to a fixed picture. And he raises the idea that we might each be incarnate divinity in the eyes of someone else, and that falling in love is the moment that vision becomes possible. Those threads are sketched in the material rather than fully developed, which makes them a useful starting point for a listener's own reflection rather than a finished doctrine.

What does this talk mean for relationships now?

Watts' argument is old, delivered in a warm and jocular voice, and it lands against a modern background in which many people have tried to make love predictable through agreements, expectations, and scripts. His warning is that expectations can become a kind of hypnosis. The more tightly we insist that a relationship must look a certain way, the more we risk being untrue to our own experience and to the other person's. A contract can protect children, property, and stability, which Watts acknowledges society needs. What it cannot do is guarantee that the feeling will last, and the attempt to make it do so is where much of the damage occurs.

There is also something freeing in his refusal to treat breakups as simple failure. He points out that the phrase "breaking up" is a put-down, suggesting that something precious has been smashed, when the truth may be far more complicated. Read this way, the talk is less a case against marriage than a case for honesty about what marriage is, and for leaving room in the bond for the strangeness of love itself.

Watts' final move is to suggest that we can see one another as we truly are only when we are in that mad state, and that the sane response to it is to yield rather than control. Whether one finds that persuasive or merely charming, it is a provocation that is hard to dismiss. It asks the listener to consider which of their own certainties are really protecting them, and which are just keeping the fire from burning.

Where to go from here

To hear the full argument in Watts' own cadence, watch the Being in the Way episode and listen for the moments when the room breaks into laughter, because those are often where the sharpest points are hiding. For the complete talks, the episode description points listeners to Alanwatts.org, which is supported alongside Ram Dass' Love Serve Remember Foundation. If the history of courtly love caught your attention, look into the sources Watts names, including Denis de Rougemont's study of love in the Western world. And if the idea of surrender in love unsettles you, that is probably the most useful place to begin: sit with the question of what you would have to give up in order to be truly known by another person.

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[0:03] [music]

[0:08] [music]

[0:14] >> Welcome to Being in the Way, the Alan

[0:16] Watts Podcast. I'm your host Mark Watts.

[0:20] And today we're going to be listening to

[0:21] a very special talk about falling in

[0:23] love. Title of this is Divine Madness,

[0:26] [music] and in it he contemplates the

[0:27] possibility that perhaps it is only when

[0:30] we fall in love that we see each other

[0:31] as we truly are, as a god or goddess

[0:34] incarnate.

[0:35] This is Alan Watts in Divine Madness.

[0:47] >> This morning I'm going to talk to you

[0:48] about a particularly virulent and

[0:51] dangerous form of divine madness,

[0:54] which is called falling in love.

[1:02] Which is from a practical point of view,

[1:04] one of the most insane things you can

[1:05] do.

[1:07] All that can happen to you.

[1:10] Because

[1:12] in the eyes of a given woman

[1:16] or a given man

[1:18] an opposite

[1:19] who though to the eyes of everybody else

[1:22] a perfectly plain and ordinary person

[1:25] can appear to be uh god or goddess

[1:27] incarnate.

[1:29] To be such a an enchantment

[1:32] that one can say in the words of an old

[1:34] song which probably dates me

[1:36] every little breeze seems to whisper

[1:38] Louise.

[1:45] And this is an extraordinary disruptive

[1:47] experience, a subversive experience in

[1:50] the conduct of human affairs.

[1:53] Because you never know when it will

[1:55] strike

[1:56] or for what reason.

[1:58] Uh

[1:59] it's something like a contracting a very

[2:02] chronic disease once you get into it.

[2:06] And we try to resolve it sometimes by

[2:09] making it the basis for a marriage.

[2:11] Which is an extraordinarily dangerous

[2:13] [laughter] thing to do.

[2:20] And this is because in Western

[2:22] civilization,

[2:23] we have a tradition of the family,

[2:27] which is very curious,

[2:28] and which would seem to be the most

[2:30] ridiculous composition of disparate

[2:33] ideas imaginable.

[2:37] When we go back to the origins of

[2:40] Western civilization in the Hebrew and

[2:43] Christian traditions,

[2:46] we find

[2:48] that the idea of marriage

[2:51] and the experience of falling in love

[2:54] are really rather separate things.

[2:57] Because in those earlier times,

[3:01] in agrarian cultures,

[3:04] nobody ever chose

[3:07] their marriage partner.

[3:09] There are certain exceptions to this,

[3:11] that in ancient Greece,

[3:14] you would occasionally find a woman who

[3:15] is called a parthenos,

[3:18] which has been mistranslated virgin.

[3:22] The correct meaning of parthenos is a

[3:25] woman who chooses her own husband.

[3:29] And there were very few of them. And in

[3:30] that passage in the book of the prophet

[3:32] Isaiah, where it says, "Behold, a virgin

[3:34] shall conceive and bear a son, and his

[3:36] name shall be called Immanuel."

[3:38] That is in Greek, parthenos, a parthenos

[3:41] [snorts] shall conceive.

[3:43] And it therefore has nothing strictly to

[3:45] do with a virgin, although a woman who

[3:46] chooses her own husband might

[3:48] conceivably be a virgin.

[3:52] But

[3:53] by and large,

[3:56] >> [clears throat]

[3:57] >> a marriage

[3:58] was an alliance of families.

[4:03] And it was contracted not simply for the

[4:06] purpose of raising children, yes,

[4:09] but also to create a social

[4:12] unit smaller than a village.

[4:17] A village therefore being a cluster of

[4:19] families.

[4:21] And these families were rather large.

[4:25] >> [clears throat]

[4:25] >> So, families allied.

[4:27] The oldsters, the grandpa and grandma

[4:29] who had an enormous voice in who their

[4:32] children were going to marry, used to as

[4:34] you know, I suppose this is no news to

[4:36] any of you, used to dicker and

[4:40] use go-betweens.

[4:42] And they considered not only whether

[4:45] this girl was suitable for their son and

[4:47] vice versa, but also what kind of a

[4:49] dowry she would bring, whether it would

[4:51] be advantageous to the two families to

[4:53] form such an alliance. And of course,

[4:55] these things almost up to quite recent

[4:57] times were always important in the

[5:00] marital affairs of royal families.

[5:04] But as is notorious,

[5:06] all royal families and the kings and

[5:08] queens kept concubines and

[5:11] had outside arrangements when and if

[5:14] they should happen to fall in love and

[5:16] even if they didn't, they had mistresses

[5:19] simply to prevent monogamy from becoming

[5:22] monotony.

[5:25] So,

[5:26] that is the basis, you see, and that is

[5:29] why to this day

[5:30] marriage is a civil and or religious

[5:34] ceremony,

[5:36] the basis of which is a contract.

[5:41] A legal contract

[5:43] which one signs on the dotted line.

[5:47] And therefore there are all kinds of

[5:49] laws as laws relate to contracts that

[5:52] this contract is very difficult to get

[5:54] out of.

[5:56] The rationale for that being quite

[5:57] obvious

[5:59] that uh

[6:01] society believes that it requires a

[6:03] secure environment for children.

[6:06] but also just the general stability of

[6:08] things.

[6:10] Because when

[6:12] people break up a marriage, it's sort of

[6:14] unnerving

[6:16] for everyone.

[6:18] You see a couple and you think for a

[6:20] long time that they're the happiest and

[6:22] best adjusted couple you ever met.

[6:24] The next thing you know is that they've

[6:26] split up.

[6:28] And you begin to think, "Now, what goes

[6:29] on here? Are all my friends crazy?"

[6:33] Because you see people breaking up all

[6:35] around.

[6:36] Of course, you call it breaking up.

[6:39] That's a

[6:40] put-down phrase to break up.

[6:44] Especially, it sounds like smashing

[6:45] something, as if something precious had

[6:47] been smashed.

[6:49] Whereas, it may be something quite

[6:51] different altogether, depending on how

[6:53] you evaluate it.

[6:56] But now, into this kind of feudal

[6:59] conception of marriage,

[7:01] there came in, very largely I think, as

[7:04] a result of the

[7:08] poetic

[7:09] movement

[7:11] that was centered in southern France, in

[7:13] Provence,

[7:15] in the Middle Ages, what is called the

[7:18] cult of courtly love.

[7:22] This

[7:24] is something about which scholars

[7:27] dispute.

[7:29] According to one theory,

[7:33] the

[7:34] knightly or courtly lover, who was also

[7:37] a poet,

[7:39] would

[7:40] select a lady to be his heart's desire,

[7:46] preferably a married lady.

[7:49] And he would

[7:51] yearn for her

[7:54] and sing songs under her window

[7:57] and send messages to her and little

[7:59] tokens of his devotion.

[8:01] But according to this particular theory,

[8:03] he must never go to bed with her.

[8:06] Not only would that be adultery, but it

[8:07] would spoil the state of being in love.

[8:11] That it should always be an unfulfilled

[8:13] state and an unhappy state.

[8:16] This is the theory of Denis de Rougemont

[8:19] in his book Love in the Western World or

[8:21] Passion and Society. It has two titles.

[8:24] And the other theory is probably more

[8:26] realistic. That um

[8:30] This was first of all the the the

[8:33] the great ladies

[8:35] of

[8:36] the noble families

[8:38] were awfully bored.

[8:40] Because their husbands were always out

[8:43] hunting and making war and wenching and

[8:45] so on.

[8:46] And therefore they had to have lovers,

[8:48] too.

[8:50] And so they did indeed have adulterous

[8:52] affairs on the side.

[8:54] And a great deal of poetry arose out

[8:57] about this.

[8:58] Because you see it's

[9:00] the My friend Young Korbada always says

[9:04] that laws about sexual relationships

[9:07] should never be liberalized. There

[9:09] should always be strict disapproval of

[9:12] adultery and fornication. Because if

[9:14] there is not that strict disapproval and

[9:16] if it's not difficult to attain, it's

[9:18] less fun.

[9:21] And I have worked out Those of you who

[9:23] have read my book Beyond Theology, I've

[9:26] worked out a whole theory of the

[9:27] Christian repression of sex. That the

[9:30] secret intent of this was to make people

[9:33] more interested in sex.

[9:35] Because if there is complete liberality

[9:37] and pro- promiscuity in every direction,

[9:40] it all becomes so easy that it might

[9:42] indeed be in danger of becoming a bore.

[9:46] And then people would

[9:48] seek other dissipations

[9:50] of of perhaps a lesser

[9:53] healthy kind.

[9:56] So then

[9:58] as a result of the gradual fusion of

[10:00] these two approaches to the relationship

[10:03] of the sexes

[10:04] we have arrived at the idea of the

[10:07] romantic marriage.

[10:09] In which the two

[10:12] trends are

[10:13] misallied

[10:15] to say the very least.

[10:18] You are supposed therefore to fall in

[10:20] love with someone

[10:22] and of your own choice naturally. It has

[10:24] to be that way if we're going to fall in

[10:25] love, if that is a choice.

[10:29] And then in enter in to that

[10:31] relationship

[10:33] with a legal contract

[10:36] in which you get up before a magistrate

[10:38] or priest and do solemnly curse and

[10:40] swear

[10:41] that you will be faithful to each other

[10:43] until death do you part.

[10:46] Which leads often to murder.

[10:50] >> [laughter]

[10:52] >> And it seems to me perfectly obvious

[10:55] that two young people who are extremely

[10:57] anxious

[10:58] uh to get into each other's embraces

[11:01] and the only way of doing so under the

[11:03] circumstances is entering into this

[11:04] contract, will naturally be ready to

[11:07] promise anything.

[11:09] >> [laughter]

[11:11] >> To fulfill this desire.

[11:15] And uh while there are

[11:17] indeed

[11:19] many many married legally married

[11:21] couples

[11:22] who

[11:23] have a very very happy alliance that

[11:26] goes on all their lives.

[11:28] And we don't hear about them because

[11:31] uh good news is never news.

[11:34] It's only the unhappy couples who make

[11:36] the newspapers.

[11:39] And there are enormous numbers of them,

[11:41] but they are mainly I think people who

[11:43] were lucky.

[11:45] There is no way of making a marriage

[11:48] work

[11:49] so far as I know.

[11:51] Because every attempt to make a marriage

[11:53] work uh is is secretly within the breast

[11:56] of each partner builds up hostility.

[12:00] Uh you can

[12:03] I know all this. I'm speaking from a

[12:04] certain amount of bitter experience.

[12:07] Um you can

[12:09] work very hard to keep a marriage

[12:11] together.

[12:13] And as you do so,

[12:16] you may fail to recognize, you see, that

[12:19] you are being untrue to your own

[12:20] emotions.

[12:23] And you think, "Well, I must control my

[12:25] emotions for the sake of children, for

[12:27] the sake of society, for the sake of

[12:29] everything like that."

[12:31] And so, you work and work, and one of

[12:33] the ways of working is to try to

[12:35] convince yourself that you're in love.

[12:38] And you go through the pretenses of

[12:40] love.

[12:41] You hypnotize yourself with loving

[12:44] language towards your partner.

[12:46] You

[12:48] go out of your way. You make little

[12:49] lists to remember attentions you must

[12:52] pay. You keep a diary in which you

[12:53] remember your wedding anniversary

[12:55] because you're very liable to forget it.

[12:57] And all these things, and you really

[12:59] work it. Now, the more you work it, the

[13:01] more you're building up promises and

[13:03] expectations for something that you are

[13:05] probably not going to come through with

[13:07] at the level of deep feeling.

[13:10] And everyone is well aware of that.

[13:13] Is a Hintergedanke. You know, you know

[13:15] it in the back of your mind.

[13:17] And so, you build yourself increasingly

[13:20] into a wall-to-wall trap.

[13:25] And

[13:26] so, the mutual hostility grows worse and

[13:30] worse and worse, so that one

[13:31] psychologist was recently known to ask a

[13:34] patient, "With whom are you in love

[13:36] against?"

[13:38] >> [laughter]

[13:44] >> The most awkward cause form of falling

[13:46] in love

[13:47] is

[13:48] between

[13:50] people who are already married to

[13:51] someone else.

[13:55] And because you see this is a

[13:56] cataclysmic and disruptive experience in

[13:58] our present social order,

[14:00] and

[14:01] we know of I mean Victorian novels. A

[14:04] lot of people are still living out

[14:06] Victorian novels.

[14:08] But in Victorian novels, the great thing

[14:10] is

[14:11] where

[14:12] a couple madly in love with each other

[14:14] say to each other, "Well,

[14:17] it's best for us that we don't see each

[14:19] other anymore.

[14:20] This is becoming bigger than either of

[14:22] us,

[14:23] >> [laughter]

[14:26] >> and so this this

[14:30] fantastically mad experience is denied,

[14:34] swept under the rug,

[14:36] and strangled.

[14:38] >> [laughter]

[14:40] >> Uh what should one do?

[14:44] Well, as I've often said, I'm not a

[14:45] preacher,

[14:47] and therefore I

[14:48] don't know what you should do.

[14:52] Uh but I would like to make some

[14:54] reflections on this particular form of

[14:56] madness, and to raise again a very

[14:58] disturbing question.

[15:00] And this disturbing question is as

[15:02] follows.

[15:04] Is it only when you are in love with

[15:06] another person

[15:08] that you see them as they really are?

[15:12] And in the ordinary way, when you're not

[15:14] in love with people, you see only a

[15:16] fragmented version of that being.

[15:19] Because when you're in love with

[15:20] someone, you do indeed see them as a

[15:22] divine being.

[15:25] And suppose that's what they are, truly.

[15:29] And your eyes have by your beloved been

[15:32] opened, in which case your beloved is

[15:34] serving to you as a kind of guru,

[15:38] an initiator.

[15:40] And that is why there is a form of a

[15:43] sexual yoga,

[15:46] based on the idea that man and woman are

[15:48] to each other as mutual guru and

[15:51] student.

[15:53] And through a tremendous

[15:56] outpouring of psychic energy in total

[15:59] devotion and worship to this other

[16:01] person, who is respectively the goddess

[16:02] or the god,

[16:04] uh you realize by

[16:06] uh total fusion and contact with the

[16:09] other organism,

[16:11] uh you go down to the divine center in

[16:14] them, and it bounces back, and you

[16:16] discover your own.

[16:18] Or you could put it in this way, which

[16:20] is another aspect of it.

[16:22] That by falling in love

[16:25] and

[16:26] regarding falling in love not just as a

[16:29] sort of um

[16:30] sexual infatuation because it's always

[16:33] more than that, isn't it?

[16:36] Uh

[16:38] I mean, you you can

[16:39] have

[16:40] great sexual enjoyment with a

[16:43] pleasant friend,

[16:45] you know?

[16:47] But you may do so simply because he or

[16:49] she appeals to your aesthetic senses.

[16:54] But when you fall in love, it's much

[16:57] more serious involvement. You just

[16:59] cannot forget this person.

[17:01] You feel miserable when not in their

[17:03] presence. You're always yearning, "Let's

[17:06] see more of each other. Let's get

[17:07] together. Let's

[17:09] We're completely entangled."

[17:11] And then you see, you've actually a kind

[17:14] of a what I would call spiritual element

[17:15] has been introduced.

[17:18] And

[17:19] the Hindus were sensible enough to

[17:21] realize that this

[17:24] was

[17:25] a means of

[17:27] awakening, enlightenment.

[17:30] And therefore, it was

[17:33] surrounded

[17:35] with a sort of religious ritual,

[17:39] meditative art,

[17:44] with a form of sexual yoga

[17:48] that is designed

[17:51] to allow the feeling of mutual love

[17:55] to the extent of grand passion

[17:59] to have an extremely fitting fulfillment

[18:01] and expression.

[18:06] Falling in love

[18:08] is a thing that strikes

[18:11] like lightning

[18:14] and is therefore extremely analogous

[18:18] to the mystical vision.

[18:23] We don't know how really people attain

[18:26] the mystical vision.

[18:30] There is not as yet a very clear

[18:32] rationale as to how it happens.

[18:35] Because we do know that it is open to

[18:38] many people who never did anything to

[18:39] look for it.

[18:42] Many people, especially in adolescence,

[18:44] have had the mystical vision all of a

[18:46] sudden without the slightest warning and

[18:48] with no previous interest in that kind

[18:50] of thing.

[18:53] On the other hand, many people who have

[18:55] practiced yoga or Zen disciplines or

[18:58] what you will for years and years and

[19:00] years have never seen it.

[19:04] And uh

[19:06] in both classes, there are of course

[19:08] exceptions.

[19:10] There are those who have never had the

[19:11] spontaneous experience and there are

[19:13] those who through yoga or Zen have

[19:15] attained this insight.

[19:18] But as yet, we are not clear as to why

[19:20] it comes about.

[19:22] And if there is any method of attaining

[19:24] it, the best one is probably to give up

[19:26] the whole idea of getting it.

[19:31] But you see, it is completely

[19:33] unpredictable.

[19:36] And so it is in that way

[19:39] like falling in love.

[19:42] Capricious

[19:44] and therefore crazy.

[19:47] But if you should be so fortunate

[19:51] as to encounter either of these

[19:52] experiences,

[19:54] it seems to me to be

[19:57] a total denial of life to refuse it.

[20:03] And what we therefore have to

[20:07] admit in our society so that we can

[20:09] contain this kind of madness,

[20:13] we must be far more realistic about

[20:16] the marriage arrangement

[20:20] so that it can contain the possibility

[20:23] of falling in love.

[20:25] When you base marriage, you see, on

[20:27] falling in love,

[20:29] and you go into a pseudo love affair,

[20:32] which is simply hot pants,

[20:36] and set up a rigid family

[20:38] in which you expect of the other person

[20:41] that they will uh

[20:43] always be in love with you,

[20:46] and then

[20:48] in that context, you go and fall in

[20:50] love,

[20:53] then your falling in love is of

[20:54] necessity disruptive of the marriage and

[20:56] of the family.

[21:01] But you see, it could only disrupt it

[21:04] because the love relationship between

[21:06] the two partners was false.

[21:09] Was pretended.

[21:13] But if

[21:14] uh marriage were based more on the old

[21:17] idea of the

[21:19] the reasonable contract between two

[21:21] people to bring up children,

[21:23] who are maybe uh expected at the best to

[21:26] be good friends,

[21:30] and to

[21:32] allow each other

[21:35] to be persons, that is to say, in the

[21:37] ordinary sense of the word person, to

[21:39] have their own freedom,

[21:42] then if love strikes,

[21:44] uh it is tolerated within this

[21:46] arrangement.

[21:49] Provided you not going to be so

[21:50] unreasonable as the go on to say,

[21:53] "Well, I have since I've fallen in love

[21:55] with somebody else, I must marry them."

[21:57] Well, that's a perfectly ridiculous.

[22:02] And you see, in this way, we can think

[22:03] about and structure the necessary stable

[22:07] social institution of family of some

[22:09] kind

[22:11] without it being constantly threatened

[22:14] of uh foundering on the rocks of love.

[22:20] Now, you see, this this then means that

[22:23] when when people marry,

[22:25] if they take uh

[22:26] any vows at all to each other,

[22:29] instead of

[22:31] saying that they will always be true to

[22:34] each other in the sense of meaning I

[22:36] will always love you,

[22:39] it means I will be true to you in the

[22:41] sense of I will always be truthful to

[22:43] you.

[22:45] I will not pretend that my feelings

[22:47] towards you are other than what they

[22:48] are.

[22:50] Because I marry you because I think that

[22:54] you are a reasonable person to live

[22:55] with, and therefore I want you to be

[22:58] you. I don't want you to be someone

[22:59] else.

[23:00] I don't want you to be a rubber stamp of

[23:01] me. How boring that would be.

[23:06] So, it is a really an arrangement not of

[23:09] as the

[23:10] >> [clears throat]

[23:10] >> we always say jokingly, "Did you get the

[23:12] ball and chain on him?"

[23:15] But an arrangement in which people set

[23:17] each other free,

[23:19] and

[23:20] make an alliance to cooperate with each

[23:22] other in certain ways.

[23:26] Now, if it should so occur that they are

[23:28] of immense sexual attraction to each

[23:30] other, so much the better.

[23:34] But this should not be a primary factor

[23:36] in entering into marriage.

[23:39] Admittedly, you must be to a certain

[23:41] extent attracted to each other,

[23:42] otherwise there will be no progeny.

[23:46] But um

[23:50] But this is a this is seems to me to be

[23:52] a sensible and reasonable view.

[23:54] And just because it is sensible and

[23:56] reasonable, it can accommodate what is

[23:59] not sensible and reasonable, which is

[24:01] falling in love.

[24:04] We should regard then marriage as if

[24:07] especially if it should possibly be

[24:09] called holy matrimony,

[24:12] as

[24:13] a mutual setting free of two people

[24:17] to live together in freedom,

[24:19] and therefore in responsibility.

[24:22] Because the present situation, although

[24:24] it's pretending to be responsible, is in

[24:26] fact extremely irresponsible.

[24:30] Because it is

[24:31] dishonesty

[24:33] with respect to the way you feel towards

[24:35] another person.

[24:39] Well, now really when we go back then to

[24:40] falling in love

[24:43] and say it's crazy.

[24:47] Falling.

[24:48] You see? We don't say rising into love.

[24:54] There is in it the idea of the fall.

[24:57] And

[24:58] it is goes back as a matter of fact to

[25:00] extremely fundamental things.

[25:02] That

[25:04] there is always a curious

[25:08] tie at some point

[25:10] between the fall

[25:14] and the creation.

[25:17] Taking this ghastly risk

[25:21] is the condition of there being life.

[25:26] You see for all

[25:28] life

[25:30] is an act of faith and an act of gamble.

[25:34] The moment you take a step

[25:37] you do so on an act of faith because you

[25:39] don't really know that the floor is not

[25:40] going to give under your feet.

[25:43] The moment you take a journey, what an

[25:45] act of faith.

[25:47] The moment you enter into any kind of

[25:49] human undertaking in relationship, what

[25:51] an act of faith.

[25:52] You've given yourself up.

[25:56] But this is the most powerful thing that

[25:58] can be done. Surrender.

[26:00] See, and love is an act of surrender to

[26:02] another person.

[26:05] Total abandonment.

[26:08] I give myself to you.

[26:10] Take me. Do anything you like with me.

[26:12] See?

[26:15] So

[26:16] that's quite mad because you see it's

[26:18] letting things get out of control.

[26:21] All sensible people keep things in

[26:22] control.

[26:24] Watch it. Watch it. Watch it.

[26:27] Security.

[26:29] Vigilance.

[26:31] Watch it.

[26:32] Police, watch it. Guards, watch it.

[26:35] Who's going to watch the guards?

[26:40] So,

[26:42] actually, therefore, the the the course

[26:45] of wisdom,

[26:46] what is really sensible, uh is to let

[26:49] go. Uh is to commit oneself, to give

[26:51] oneself up, and that's quite mad. So, we

[26:53] come to the strange conclusion that in

[26:56] madness lies sanity. [music]

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In the talk 'Divine Madness,' Watts describes falling in love as one of the most insane things a person can do, because it makes an ordinary person appear to be a god or goddess incarnate and strikes without warning. He treats it as a disruptive force that the institution of marriage was never designed to contain. He concludes that surrendering to this madness is the truly sensible course.
Watts argues that in agrarian cultures marriage was an alliance of families, arranged by elders who weighed suitability and dowry rather than romance. Romantic love was a separate tradition, which he traces through courtly love in medieval Provence. He says the modern romantic marriage fuses these two approaches, which he describes as misaligned.
Watts defines love as an act of surrender and total abandonment, giving oneself fully to another person. He argues that letting go and committing oneself is the course of wisdom, even though it looks like madness from the outside. His conclusion is that in madness lies sanity.
Watts says he has worked out a theory, presented in his book Beyond Theology, that the secret intent of Christian sexual repression was to make people more interested in sex. If sexuality became completely easy and open, he argues, it could become a bore and push people toward less healthy distractions.
The material does not show Watts calling for the abolition of marriage. He acknowledges that society needs a secure environment for children and general stability, which is why marriage is structured as a legal contract. His critique is that the contract cannot guarantee a feeling as unpredictable as love, and that the attempt to force it creates problems.
Watts says the ancient Greek word parthenos, often translated as virgin, more accurately meant a woman who chooses her own husband, and that such women were very rare. He also argues that the Greek term in a passage of Isaiah does not strictly mean virgin. These are his claims, presented as a reinterpretation of historical language.
The episode description lists the idea of seeing a partner as a mutual guru and student as one of the topics Watts considers. The idea suggests each person can teach and be taught by the other within a relationship. The full development of that idea sits in the complete talk rather than in the excerpt available here.

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