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Hard Questions Before "I Do": Love, Ego, and Heartbreak

Danielle LaPorte
Danielle LaPorte
Aug 22, 2021
8 min de lecture
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Early in a 2021 video conversation, the technology is still misbehaving. Susan Piver, the Buddhist teacher and author, is trying to get onscreen while host Danielle LaPorte jokes about how long it has been since the two of them talked face to face. Then LaPorte admits something that turns the chat into a real inquiry: she has just reread Piver's book The Hard Questions: 100 Essential Questions to Ask Before You Say "I Do" in a single sitting, and she is reading it with new eyes because she is newly in love. What follows is less a book promotion than a working conversation about what people actually need to know before they build a life together, why the answers are never a clean yes or no, and why the thing that breaks your heart may be the same thing that makes it boundless.

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Why did one book's title make a teacher stop and think?

LaPorte, who describes herself in the video description as an Oprah Super Soul 100 member, says she first came across Piver's work through the hundred questions. What caught her was not the list itself but the pause it produced. She asked herself where her impulse toward commitment actually came from, and she framed the question in Buddhist terms: the origin of desire is a word that matters, especially in that context.

That question is the entry point for the whole conversation, and it is a more useful one than "should I get married?" It asks the reader to look at motive before logistics. Piver's response carries the same sensibility. She describes herself as endlessly fascinated by her own limitations when it comes to "I love you," and she notes that she wrote the book roughly twenty years ago, so revisiting it means meeting a former self. The person who is considering marriage, she points out, is not the same person who has been married for two decades.

Do you have to know the answers before you commit?

This is the question most people bring to any list of pre-marriage prompts, and Piver's answer is the one that will disappoint anyone hoping for a checklist. "You don't know," she says, in effect. The Buddhist part, as she frames it, is accepting that there is never going to be a clean yes or no. It will always be yes and no.

Her clarification is the heart of the book's approach. In her words, from the conversation: the hope for the hard questions is not to get a contract, sign it, and consider everything figured out. The hope is to know each other, to feel who this person is, and to see whether they will listen to your heart. That shifts the exercise from information-gathering to attunement.

Piver also says plainly that you do not have to agree on every answer. Different answers are fine. What she calls troubling is a different pattern: not knowing how the other person would answer, and not being willing to hear it. Disagreement is instructive. Unexamined assumption is the danger.

LaPorte gives a concrete example from her own history. In past relationships, she says, the arguments and feelings of disconnection had little to do with love or sex. They came from questions about the shape of daily life: home, children, perhaps spirituality. Love, she observed, is not enough to guarantee that two people can build a life they both love. "Just because you love someone does not mean you will be able to create a life together that you both love," she says, describing the insight that led to her own interest in the subject.

Is the desire to be understood a human need or a spiritual problem?

LaPorte asks whether the desire to be understood is core to being human, and where it fits in the path toward enlightenment. Piver's first answer is simple: yes, it is human. She adds that feeling seen is the ultimate intimacy, whether you like what you see or not.

Then she brings in the Buddhist view she has practiced for as long as she has been married, more than twenty years. In what she calls samsaric life, there is always a sense of missing. "It's always going to miss a little bit," she says. The question then becomes what to do in light of that inevitable missing. Her answer is blunt and not despairing. It is never going to quite work out in the way the romantic story promised, but that does not mean your heart cannot shatter, heal, rebuild, expand, and burst with love.

This is a subtle position. Piver is not saying that intimacy is an illusion or that the human longing to be known should be dismissed. She is saying the longing will not be fully satisfied by any single person, and that the practice is to stay in relationship with the gap rather than trying to close it perfectly.

Is heartbreak just love with nowhere to go?

The most striking idea in the conversation is one Piver has been developing across several books, including The Wisdom of a Broken Heart. Her observation, as she offers it in the video, is that love and heartbreak are not different things. "Heartbreak is just love unbound from an object," she says. An object gives love containment, form, and some space in which the heart can express itself. But the amount of love in the heart, she argues, is boundless. Heartbreak is what it feels like when that boundlessness has lost its container.

LaPorte responds from personal experience and reframes the word. When she hears heartbreak, she says, she wants to say "heart broken open." She describes a long struggle with the question of object and no-object, and the guilt she felt about having an object for her love at all. She traces that guilt to what she calls a Catholic hangover and a New Age hangover, both of which, in her telling, carried their own rules about where love is supposed to go and how it should be held.

For readers who have been through a painful breakup, the reframing matters. It does not deny the pain. It suggests the pain is the moment when love's container gives way and the heart is forced to feel how large it is.

Why do new relationships feel like falling apart?

LaPorte describes the early weeks of her current relationship in raw terms. She fell in love and fell apart. Several psychologists in her life, some on retainer and some simply friends, told her she was right on time, that this is what happens when you go deep, and that she could finally exhale. She had been holding herself together, she says, "with cosmic chicken wire for decades."

Her explanation is the one that most directly links the conversation to ego. In the first weeks, she says, she kept announcing that she wanted her partner to know the real her, which was not the anxious, clingy version now showing up along with health issues. Her intellectual understanding, which she describes as coming from research, was that relationships get tested because love dissolves the ego. Her experience matched it. "I could feel gratitude in the agony in the beginning," she says, because she understood it as a test, and she was glad to get it out of the way early.

The practical implication is that the difficult early stretch is not necessarily evidence that something has gone wrong. It may be the ego loosening its grip, and the question becomes whether two people can stay present while that happens.

How should you use the hard questions now?

Taken together, the conversation suggests a way of using the questions that is closer to a practice than a test. LaPorte says that after a morning walk she and her partner started asking each other hard questions, and that asking questions every day is good. The point is that assumptions pile up until a bumpy moment exposes them, and the remedy is to keep inquiring rather than presume.

A few principles follow from the exchange. Pick questions that touch daily life: home, children, spiritual life, the ordinary logistics of two people sharing a space and a future. Expect different answers and treat them as information, not failure. Listen for whether the other person can hear your answer, not just whether they agree with it. And treat the early turbulence of love as material to work with rather than proof that the relationship is doomed.

Piver's closing emphasis, as the excerpt shows, is on courage and on staying open. The questions are not an exam. They are a way of keeping two hearts in conversation, which is the only way the object of love can stay large enough to hold what love is.

Where to go from here

For readers who want to go deeper, start with the source. The Hard Questions: 100 Essential Questions to Ask Before You Say "I Do" by Susan Piver is the book at the center of this conversation. Piver's The Wisdom of a Broken Heart extends the argument that heartbreak and love are not separate. Both are worth reading slowly, and perhaps with a partner.

Watch the full video from Danielle LaPorte, which runs about thirty-eight minutes, for the parts of the conversation this article could not cover. LaPorte's site is daniellelaporte.com, and she is active on Instagram at @daniellelaporte. The most useful next step may be simple: choose one of the hard questions and ask it of someone you love, then listen for what they mean rather than what you hoped they would say.

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[0:01] susan piger beautiful buddhist teacher

[0:03] we're going to talk today about

[0:06] the questions you should ask yourself

[0:08] before you say

[0:09] i do or before you say

[0:13] i wanna and i also wanna talk to susan

[0:15] about the qualities she's got four

[0:17] qualities

[0:19] for

[0:21] supporting your relationship

[0:23] i'll get susan in

[0:26] let me see she's joined

[0:31] give me a second to deal with technology

[0:39] there we go

[0:40] here we are

[0:44] you can find susan on

[0:46] ig at

[0:48] susan.piper p-i-v-e-r

[0:52] and susan's here hello friend

[0:56] this is already a massive test because

[0:58] here we are together

[1:00] yeah here we are together

[1:02] for the last hour but

[1:06] um

[1:07] how are you feeling about

[1:09] re-launch of hard questions and all

[1:13] these conversations you must be having

[1:14] about like lasting love and love

[1:17] resistance and love longing and like

[1:20] it's a lot of love talk right now

[1:22] a lot of love talk yeah thanks for

[1:24] asking it's i

[1:27] am endlessly fascinated

[1:29] by my own

[1:31] punyness when it comes to

[1:35] i love you yeah

[1:36] my own like

[1:38] limitations and obstacles and so i i

[1:40] never seem to get tired of talking about

[1:42] it

[1:43] and it was also i wrote this book

[1:46] 20 years ago

[1:47] yeah

[1:48] so it was really really interesting and

[1:50] i'm sure you would find something

[1:51] similar if you had a chance to really

[1:53] revisit something you wrote a long time

[1:55] ago who was that person

[1:57] and how

[1:59] and

[2:00] and

[2:01] the person who is thinking of getting

[2:03] married is different than the person has

[2:05] now been married for 20 years so

[2:10] you know i first came across your work

[2:12] because of the 100 questions the hard

[2:14] questions yeah really yeah yeah and

[2:17] there was something um

[2:19] shambhala did something on you and i

[2:21] just like who is this woman who's

[2:23] resistant to marriage because at the

[2:25] time i just like all like

[2:27] mary mary

[2:28] and

[2:29] um

[2:32] and it had me pause

[2:34] have me pause

[2:36] what do you think what's the nature of

[2:37] that pause

[2:39] um

[2:41] did i jump to am i a jumper

[2:44] what's the

[2:46] what's the

[2:49] origin wouldn't be that well maybe

[2:50] origin is the right word what's the

[2:52] origin the impulse

[2:54] for my desire

[2:56] an important word especially in a

[2:57] buddhist context my desire for

[2:59] commitment

[3:01] um

[3:03] yeah

[3:04] and you know did you know we haven't

[3:05] talked in a while you know i'm like

[3:07] newly in love

[3:09] so these questions now like when i got

[3:13] yeah like i i'm with my person

[3:16] and

[3:17] when i got the

[3:19] what's that

[3:21] that's fantastic it's fantastic it's

[3:23] only fantastic um when i got the book

[3:27] you know i'm reading it with new eyes so

[3:29] i read it in one sitting

[3:31] and i just and we just went for a walk

[3:33] this morning i was like yeah i'm gonna

[3:34] do this

[3:35] interview with this beautiful buddhist

[3:36] teacher friend susan and the hard

[3:38] questions and we started asking each

[3:40] other some hard questions yeah

[3:42] uh

[3:44] how was it

[3:45] uh well he's deep and he's open and

[3:49] he said he used the term at our age and

[3:52] i was like can we just not use the term

[3:54] at rh

[3:57] let's not

[3:58] i feel like

[4:00] but just

[4:00] you know assumptions you make until you

[4:03] hit

[4:04] the bumpy

[4:06] moment

[4:07] and how to like

[4:08] not make assumptions anymore and

[4:12] it's good to ask questions every day

[4:15] every day yeah

[4:16] yeah

[4:18] i i found that

[4:21] you know what we argue about or what i

[4:23] argued about in past relationships or

[4:24] felt disconnected by was not

[4:27] necessarily anything to do with love or

[4:29] sex

[4:30] which is

[4:31] when you're in a love affair that's

[4:33] that's what you're doing

[4:34] but there were questions about our life

[4:37] those were the things that tended to

[4:39] create

[4:41] arguments obstacles divisions and the

[4:44] things that we don't necessarily talk

[4:45] about

[4:47] nor should we

[4:48] you know when we're

[4:49] loved but

[4:51] the thing that made me write this book

[4:53] with was

[4:55] just because this insight just because

[4:57] you love someone

[4:59] does not mean you will

[5:01] be able to create a life together that

[5:03] you both love

[5:04] that seemed really so why didn't anyone

[5:07] tell me that because you think you love

[5:09] someone

[5:11] it's just great to be together

[5:14] but then there's the whole life that you

[5:16] make and home and children perhaps or

[5:19] spirituality and those are the things

[5:21] that that i realize tend to trip us up

[5:24] so that's

[5:26] so how do you know how does one know do

[5:29] you have to is this about excavation and

[5:32] determining if this is like we can build

[5:34] a life together quality stuff

[5:37] um

[5:38] yeah that's that's the question

[5:40] um

[5:42] well you don't know

[5:43] that that's that's the buddhist part

[5:47] you don't know there's never gonna be

[5:50] yes or no it's always going to be yes

[5:52] and no

[5:54] so

[5:56] however

[6:00] [Music]

[6:01] if you don't love the purple

[6:04] [Music]

[6:08] [Applause]

[6:11] there's just some

[6:14] i want to be with you

[6:15] that

[6:17] if that's not there then it doesn't

[6:18] matter

[6:19] and

[6:21] then

[6:22] for most people for some people it's

[6:23] fine to just have all the

[6:25] exterior stuff in locked in and there's

[6:27] nothing wrong with that

[6:29] um

[6:31] but it's also really important to say i

[6:34] think that

[6:35] you don't have to agree on any of the

[6:36] answers

[6:38] you can have totally different that's

[6:40] fine

[6:41] it's instructive

[6:43] what's not okay or what seems to be

[6:46] troubling is

[6:47] when you don't know how this person

[6:49] would answer and you're not willing to

[6:51] hear

[6:52] because the hope for the hard questions

[6:54] is not get a contract and sign it and

[6:57] everything's figured out but know each

[7:00] other

[7:01] just feel who this person is and

[7:06] and see if they will listen to your

[7:08] heart

[7:10] do you think it's core to being

[7:13] human

[7:15] that we want to be understood and

[7:19] and is that um

[7:24] where does the desire to be understood

[7:27] fit in

[7:29] enlightenment it's a very interesting

[7:31] question

[7:32] yeah understood i would say it is human

[7:35] and i i

[7:38] mean

[7:39] feeling seen

[7:42] is

[7:44] the ultimate intimacy

[7:46] whether you like what you see or you

[7:48] don't like what you see

[7:50] but being known

[7:52] and

[7:53] in the buddhist view as i was taught now

[7:55] i've been a buddhist practitioner as

[7:57] long as i've been married more than 20

[7:58] years in both cases

[8:01] there's this sense that in this samsaric

[8:04] realm

[8:05] for lack of a better way of saying it

[8:08] it's always going to miss a little bit

[8:10] it's always going to miss a little bit

[8:13] and

[8:14] now what

[8:16] now what

[8:17] now what to do

[8:19] in light of

[8:20] the inevitable missing

[8:24] and then it's never i'm sorry this is

[8:26] horrible news but it's never going to

[8:28] quite work out

[8:30] but that doesn't mean that your heart

[8:32] can't shatter and heal and rebuild and

[8:36] expand and burst with love

[8:38] absolutely not so it always works out

[8:41] from that perspective it always works

[8:43] out but the interesting thing about love

[8:46] is

[8:48] and i wrote a book about heartbreak too

[8:49] the wisdom of a broken heart

[8:51] and i've written four noble truths of

[8:53] love lots and lots of love things

[8:54] heartbreak things and

[8:56] my conclusion this is just my

[8:58] observation is that love and heartbreak

[9:00] are not different

[9:01] they are not different

[9:03] heartbreak is just love unbound from an

[9:05] object

[9:07] and unbound it just

[9:09] is uncontainable

[9:13] with it when there's an object

[9:16] it gives you some containment some form

[9:18] some space for your heart to express

[9:20] itself but the amount of love in your

[9:23] heart is absolutely boundless

[9:25] that's my observation

[9:27] what do you think

[9:29] i think

[9:31] well when you say heartbreak i want to

[9:33] say heart

[9:35] broken open

[9:38] i understand what you're saying about

[9:39] the object

[9:42] i've struggled

[9:44] my

[9:45] whole life with the object and

[9:49] a non-object

[9:52] and it's been so

[9:54] interesting as an understatement

[9:57] to

[9:59] be in love in that

[10:01] at the beginning of it so i fell in love

[10:04] and i fell apart

[10:06] and every

[10:08] psychologist in my life

[10:11] some of whom were on retainer and other

[10:12] who were just friends just said oh

[10:14] you're right on time this is what

[10:15] happens if you are playing deep

[10:18] you get you finally can exhale i've been

[10:20] just keeping myself together with cosmic

[10:22] chicken wire for decades

[10:25] and now you can there's a level of

[10:27] exhaling that happens

[10:29] and also i think my ego needed to

[10:32] shatter like i you know in the early

[10:35] weeks i'm saying this isn't me oh my i

[10:37] want you to know the real me and this

[10:38] isn't me i'm happy i'm like i'm feeling

[10:40] anxious and clingy and this health stuff

[10:43] came up and i also know but i just knew

[10:46] this on a

[10:48] kind of intellectual research level it's

[10:50] like

[10:50] relationships get tested because love

[10:53] dissolves the ego and i'm just like and

[10:55] i actually

[10:57] to my credit

[10:58] i could feel gratitude in the agony in

[11:01] the beginning because i just like

[11:03] this is our test

[11:04] there might be more but i'm so glad to

[11:07] get the test out of the way within the

[11:09] first few months where i'm just a basket

[11:11] case

[11:13] and my struggle back to the point about

[11:16] object and no object was

[11:19] i felt tremendous

[11:22] guilt almost this is a catholic hangover

[11:25] this is a new age hangover too the dark

[11:27] side of a new age of

[11:30] having an object for my love

[11:33] and that

[11:35] i thought oh maybe i should just go back

[11:37] to like considering if i should be a nun

[11:40] you know

[11:41] and

[11:43] i would say my man's name as well i

[11:45] would say well

[11:47] is it okay to like

[11:50] start i'm starting to like really want

[11:52] this and need this

[11:54] and he'd say you know he's all deep and

[11:57] wise and lovely and he'd say

[11:59] this is what people do danielle

[12:02] you'd be like oh

[12:03] right this is what people do and then

[12:05] now i'm at a place i kind of made it

[12:07] through that portal of

[12:09] this is god now

[12:12] this is life now

[12:14] and this very human

[12:16] experience has helped me be like

[12:19] god is everywhere

[12:21] and i'm learning to love

[12:24] myself and my humanity and

[12:27] spirit and all of it more through this

[12:29] little container this portal

[12:32] called a romantic relationship it's

[12:34] great

[12:36] and i'm in

[12:41] but what do you do as a buddhist in love

[12:43] you know

[12:44] to to be like

[12:46] non-attachment but i'm i love being

[12:49] attached it's great building a life

[12:51] together is great

[12:54] here's what i say to non-attachment

[12:59] is it okay can i say that

[13:02] that's the best news ever

[13:05] right

[13:07] people that are constantly telling you

[13:09] shouldn't be attached well this is what

[13:10] i would say to them but the thing is

[13:14] and this is really important i think

[13:16] they're attached to non-attachment

[13:19] so it's automatically a bust

[13:22] you can be attached to non-attachment

[13:24] and that's what is often counseled in

[13:26] new age circles or just

[13:29] generally speaking the interpretation of

[13:30] the buddhist teaching on non-attachment

[13:32] is don't do it well that's the opposite

[13:36] that that's not accurate

[13:38] attachment there is no problem with

[13:39] attachment

[13:41] it's a problem to be attached to

[13:43] non-attachment because you're just

[13:45] spinning your wheels

[13:46] but when you are attached when you are

[13:48] in love that is not that's fabulous

[13:50] that's not a problem

[13:52] and so you feel it you notice it you

[13:54] discover

[13:56] the the the

[13:58] uh claustrophobia and liberation of

[14:01] attack and you ride it and you stay with

[14:04] it and you observe it and you feel it

[14:07] and it arises

[14:09] it abides

[14:10] and it dissolves

[14:12] in moments in lifetimes in periods of

[14:14] time

[14:15] and non-attachment is going with a rise

[14:19] by dissolve without trying to stick in

[14:22] one place

[14:23] it's in a continual state of flow

[14:26] is actually more accurate way of

[14:28] describing what is meant by

[14:29] non-attachment so anyone who tells you

[14:31] you're so attached you shouldn't be so

[14:32] attached

[14:34] like you are exhibiting attachment right

[14:36] now and attached to my responses to

[14:38] things

[14:39] that's especially not okay

[14:41] and you know my experience like

[14:44] i'm finding out

[14:47] not new awareness but

[14:50] the ego loves to hide in spirituality

[14:53] and it's the best place really if you

[14:56] want to hide in plain sight

[14:58] and the whole non-attachment

[15:00] conversation is like i'm really like

[15:03] this is a trip

[15:04] for the ego to come and just create more

[15:07] division

[15:08] and more

[15:09] like why would you resist love this is

[15:11] the call this is you know

[15:14] why would you resist love whether it's a

[15:16] significant other and you're going to

[15:18] make vows

[15:20] or it's

[15:21] the dude on the corner and you're

[15:22] realizing that could be me that is me

[15:26] why would you why resist

[15:29] love

[15:30] but let's not we have to talk about

[15:32] clinging though okay

[15:34] um

[15:36] can you can you speak to

[15:38] [Music]

[15:39] the cling

[15:41] the shadow side of attachment the hungry

[15:43] ghost

[15:45] the

[15:48] how this manifests for me is i want this

[15:49] to stay this way all the time

[15:51] and that's just a recipe for disaster

[15:55] it is

[15:56] because it's not possible and it's

[15:59] so

[16:00] a couple things on clinging uh and

[16:03] hungry ghost is a great way of

[16:04] describing it hungry ghost in the

[16:06] buddhist world is there's six realms of

[16:08] existence the human realm the jealous

[16:10] god realm

[16:12] the hell realm various realms and the

[16:14] hungry ghost realm and we all visit all

[16:17] the realms all the time

[16:19] uh you know throughout the day

[16:21] throughout even a moment you could visit

[16:23] any of the realms although we live in

[16:24] the human realm

[16:26] which is considered the most

[16:28] advantageous for achieving liberation as

[16:30] opposed to the god realm which sounds

[16:32] great anyway

[16:34] blah blah blah but

[16:35] the buddha appears in each realm by the

[16:37] way and in the god realm buddha just

[16:40] doesn't say anything just plays an

[16:42] instrument

[16:43] because you can't get through to people

[16:44] in the god realm

[16:46] because they're perfect so i'm not going

[16:48] to wake up anyway

[16:50] the hungry ghosts are people with giant

[16:53] uh

[16:54] mouths

[16:56] and really tiny necks

[16:58] so they're hungry all the time but

[17:01] enough nourishment so that is a great

[17:03] way of describing clinginess in one

[17:06] level so i when i get clingy

[17:09] i

[17:11] say to my husband i'm very clingy right

[17:14] now

[17:15] and i'm clinging to you and i literally

[17:16] just cleaned him

[17:19] and so far luckily he's not

[17:21] that is not

[17:22] he's very sweet he's like okay go ahead

[17:24] cling on cling on

[17:26] and so i just do

[17:28] and

[17:29] then

[17:30] that's cool uh luckily

[17:34] and if you can

[17:37] experience your own clinging as a desire

[17:41] for more love as an expression of your

[17:44] own loving heart

[17:45] as opposed to the way

[17:47] we're often encouraged think of it as

[17:49] neediness and not independent enough and

[17:50] not strong that's

[17:53] not useful

[17:54] but it's i'm awash

[17:57] in my wish for love

[17:59] and

[18:00] fear

[18:01] perhaps that

[18:03] you're gonna miss me like i'm gonna be

[18:05] here and you're just gonna not see me or

[18:08] understand me

[18:09] and i'm afraid right now so can you hear

[18:12] me in my fear and this and it's true

[18:15] with all all the hard questions not just

[18:17] this issue of clinging about which there

[18:19] are no hard questions

[18:21] it's all a path to not to more love this

[18:24] is my discovery

[18:25] but to more intimacy

[18:28] and those are different

[18:30] tell us about the difference yeah

[18:33] love is what you feel and

[18:36] the high and the beauty and it's real

[18:39] i'm not saying it's

[18:40] some illusion it's really real and it's

[18:43] as close to being transported to a god

[18:45] realm as any of us will ever get and

[18:47] it's

[18:48] heavenly truly and real i'll just say

[18:51] that again

[18:53] yay i hope we all visit that planet as

[18:54] many times as possible but then we come

[18:57] back here

[18:59] and there's still love there still can

[19:02] be romance but romance tends to

[19:04] dissipate

[19:06] not all the time but sort of in moments

[19:09] but intimacy has no end

[19:12] that's what i can commit to for a

[19:14] lifetime not love because love comes and

[19:17] goes

[19:17] but intimacy

[19:19] we're never going to get to the end of

[19:20] that of that how much do you know me

[19:23] how much can i know you how much am i

[19:25] willing to feel

[19:27] and take in and

[19:30] offer that

[19:31] there's no end to that so that we can

[19:33] make

[19:34] to do

[19:35] okay let's go here so

[19:39] i i believe that we are

[19:42] divine love so i choose the term divine

[19:44] love just to create a little distinction

[19:46] from love and the pop songs that are

[19:48] really just mentally programming us

[19:50] to be hurt

[19:51] and to hurt so let's just go for divine

[19:53] love okay divine love the stuff of

[19:57] creation the matter it's it's the fabric

[20:00] it's the space it's all the

[20:03] awl um

[20:06] let's put that in your theory of love

[20:08] and intimacy so i'm going to say divine

[20:10] loves everything

[20:12] intimacy

[20:13] is

[20:15] it's just the

[20:16] constant

[20:18] revealing the fur the unfurling

[20:21] of our awareness of divine love it's

[20:24] like you know i love rondas's term i am

[20:26] loving awareness i love the double

[20:29] entendre in that it's like i am loving

[20:31] awareness

[20:32] and also i am loving awareness itself

[20:37] so

[20:38] intimacy for me is intimacy is my

[20:40] favorite word right now i think it could

[20:43] not to cling

[20:45] but i might be writing that as my

[20:47] favorite term for the rest of my days

[20:50] but it's that constant i

[20:52] this is how i know i'm in love i want to

[20:55] know him

[20:57] and

[20:58] there's also something about

[21:02] i'm just loving the human realm

[21:05] more than i ever have

[21:07] and my first

[21:10] like big explosion of human realm was

[21:12] becoming

[21:14] a mother

[21:15] to my son and it's been amazing susan

[21:18] the similarities

[21:20] of loving my child and being

[21:23] romantically in love

[21:24] it's the same

[21:26] vibration

[21:28] of i want to know everything about you

[21:31] i'm as unconditional as i can possibly

[21:34] be in this moment lots of limitations

[21:36] and i can you know hit my my jerkness

[21:39] but

[21:40] um

[21:42] and

[21:43] honesty i was thinking about like in the

[21:45] hard questions the book you've got the

[21:47] four qualities that support

[21:49] relationships

[21:50] and i just thought this is so much like

[21:53] motherhood as well so

[21:55] honesty

[21:57] good manners compassion

[21:59] and courage

[22:02] can you

[22:03] run through honesty for us like these

[22:06] are

[22:06] words we might not always

[22:09] embody what does honesty really mean

[22:12] especially in the context of a

[22:13] relationship

[22:15] well yeah it doesn't mean just saying

[22:17] anything that pops into your head

[22:19] obviously that probably doesn't need

[22:20] saying but

[22:22] it means first knowing the truth here

[22:26] knowing the truth yourself

[22:28] that's the first do you know the truth

[22:30] of what's in your heart in this moment

[22:32] and this moment in this moment and do

[22:34] you know that you don't know

[22:38] that's

[22:39] what i mean by honesty

[22:40] do you know what's

[22:43] and if not

[22:45] now what do you

[22:46] blah blah try to

[22:48] use it out with yourself with your

[22:51] partner with a therapist or a friend or

[22:54] do you hold

[22:55] people are wired different ways i'm a

[22:57] holder i'm just gonna hold

[22:59] because i don't know

[23:00] i'm a blurter

[23:03] i'm a blurter partnered with a holder

[23:05] it's actually great yeah i'm a holder

[23:07] partner with a blurter

[23:09] there's a book there's your next book

[23:12] there's some there's a personality test

[23:14] in here we can monetize it it'll be

[23:15] great

[23:18] okay

[23:19] good manners

[23:21] he like good manners uh

[23:23] good manners here means thoughtfulness

[23:25] like

[23:26] do you are you thinking about this

[23:28] person

[23:29] you know

[23:31] duncan my husband is having some weird

[23:33] things at work right now so the good

[23:35] manners here is to inquire about that

[23:38] and to

[23:39] not lose track of that not that i would

[23:40] lose track of it but

[23:42] to think about what is his experience

[23:45] when he's

[23:46] at work and when he comes home what

[23:47] might he be

[23:49] feeling or wondering or

[23:51] checking in with him during the day and

[23:52] that's what i mean by good manners it

[23:54] means actually thinking about the other

[23:56] person tracking their experience and do

[24:00] not

[24:02] forming your life around it but having

[24:05] awareness

[24:06] of who they are and what they're going

[24:08] through and then as feels right to you

[24:11] making space and accommodations and

[24:14] gestures

[24:15] that show that you understand

[24:19] and not taking any of it personally if

[24:21] your needs aren't getting met

[24:24] you can take it personally i would say

[24:28] personally you can get that you can feel

[24:30] anything you want

[24:32] you just can't hold them responsible

[24:34] right right right yeah yeah

[24:37] compassion

[24:39] compassion talk to us about compassion

[24:41] yeah

[24:43] compassion is often conflated with being

[24:45] nice

[24:47] and it isn't

[24:49] it is not the same as being nice it's

[24:51] not being sweet it's not being a good

[24:53] person it's not any of that

[24:55] compassion is more

[24:57] similar to awake

[25:00] than nice

[25:01] but when you're awake

[25:03] you're actually paying attention

[25:06] and then you see what's happening around

[25:07] you and you feel within your heart

[25:09] what's happening with your partner with

[25:11] yourself and then what

[25:13] you do what arises in terms of words or

[25:16] gestures or non-words or non-gestures

[25:19] is in accord

[25:21] with what's real

[25:23] so compassion is much more about being

[25:25] awake

[25:27] and fearless because it takes

[25:29] fearlessness to be awake

[25:31] and just see what it is rather than what

[25:33] you hope is

[25:34] and then

[25:35] whether you get angry in response or say

[25:38] nothing or are the sweetest most loving

[25:40] kind person in the world that's

[25:42] compassion

[25:43] and it can include any

[25:45] state of mind or form of expression

[25:49] can we go on a side side

[25:51] track here for a second um

[25:54] what's your feeling your thoughts about

[25:57] the term just the term presence

[26:03] well

[26:04] it means at once everything

[26:08] and

[26:10] is

[26:10] like compassion in a sense

[26:14] of compassion being conflated with nice

[26:17] is conflated with something that isn't

[26:19] exactly present

[26:21] it's because once you're observing your

[26:23] presence you're not quite present

[26:26] so it's

[26:28] in the buddhist view

[26:29] is uh this is impossible for me to

[26:31] understand but i've been studying it and

[26:34] been taught this

[26:36] it's about living in some sort of

[26:38] recognition of non-dual

[26:41] reality yes yeah once you're observing

[26:45] you're out of it

[26:46] i don't know how to do it

[26:49] what are your thoughts

[26:50] very similar and this is a new

[26:54] it's a fairly recent revelation it's

[26:56] like to even say like i'm present is

[26:59] resisting what i am like really it's

[27:03] presence is the declaration of i am this

[27:05] right now

[27:07] if i'm distracted i am this right now if

[27:10] i'm

[27:11] gazing i am this right now like

[27:13] you know and i

[27:15] especially in the relationship

[27:18] space

[27:19] you know the the self-help lexicon

[27:22] um

[27:24] it used to be my trip and this is a lot

[27:27] of this is very kind of pop

[27:30] culture of like

[27:32] making a demand that my partner be

[27:34] present

[27:35] you're not being present with me and

[27:37] that entitles me

[27:39] to be offended

[27:41] and that entitles me to make a demand

[27:44] that you be more present

[27:46] you're not tired you need i know you're

[27:48] tired but you need to bring it because

[27:50] you know king queen and you need to

[27:52] bring it just like

[27:53] no this is what is

[27:56] long day at work

[27:58] very conversational deep eye gazing

[28:01] distracted this is it

[28:04] and i can have my feelings about what is

[28:08] but as soon as i get into that judgment

[28:10] of you're not present because you're not

[28:12] checking off this list for me then i'm

[28:15] not present i'm not even honest enough

[28:17] in that moment to say

[28:19] oh this is how i feel this you know

[28:23] and it just is a block to love demanding

[28:25] someone's so-called presence

[28:27] is actually really

[28:29] divisive and i think it's the opposite

[28:31] of compassion i mean that's why

[28:34] i'm asking in that that context because

[28:36] compassion feels like i mean here's the

[28:38] irony right with words compassion feels

[28:41] like

[28:42] true presence awakeness

[28:45] yes yeah

[28:46] it is and i will add to what you're

[28:49] saying it hurts when someone's not

[28:51] present to us

[28:52] yeah it it genuinely does and you're

[28:55] you're entitled to be heard

[28:58] you're not entitled to be

[29:00] in my opinion uh

[29:03] blaming

[29:06] the uh

[29:08] what's the word i'm looking for

[29:09] truthful

[29:11] it hurt it hurts one i feel like you're

[29:14] not paying attention to me and that that

[29:15] kind of hurts me

[29:17] that's totally fair i think

[29:19] it it's it otherwise it gets into a

[29:22] little bit of a gaming

[29:24] i shouldn't do this i should do that and

[29:26] you're probably absolutely right one of

[29:28] the primary forms of courage is

[29:30] am i willing to see you

[29:33] rather than who i think you should be

[29:36] rather than who i wish you were right

[29:38] now

[29:39] can i

[29:40] open to you

[29:43] and the closer we get the longer the

[29:44] relationship is and the more intense it

[29:46] is and the more is on the line and the

[29:48] more

[29:49] our ego or our

[29:51] portals open up and we

[29:53] feel unsteady

[29:55] the less likely we are to actually see

[29:57] the other person

[29:59] and the more

[30:00] we tend to

[30:02] lean on i need you to be this person or

[30:04] i need you to be that person which is we

[30:07] all have that

[30:09] but the courage is

[30:11] to let that go

[30:13] i want to make one very important caveat

[30:15] unless there's abuse or addiction

[30:16] involved

[30:18] then that's a whole different situation

[30:19] but otherwise am i willing am i brave

[30:22] enough

[30:23] to be with you

[30:24] to see you

[30:26] and to experience all that means to me

[30:28] rather than hold you

[30:30] to this form

[30:32] that i thought i wished you

[30:35] were that's such a beautiful twist on

[30:37] things i mean when i hear courage in

[30:39] relationships mostly

[30:41] i'm self-referencing i think do i have

[30:44] the courage to show up do i have the

[30:45] courage to be expressive

[30:47] um

[30:49] is this you know this is about beautiful

[30:52] the more beautiful

[30:54] interestingly and i'm sure this will not

[30:55] be the case forever if you look at the

[30:57] books about love and relationships

[30:59] 99

[31:00] are about how to

[31:02] get love

[31:04] yeah

[31:05] almost zero percent are about how to

[31:07] give love

[31:08] how to be loving and that makes sense

[31:10] because especially as women there's been

[31:12] a lot of emphasis put on you should do

[31:14] this and you should do that but most of

[31:15] the books are about how to attract it

[31:17] how to keep it how to make it come back

[31:18] how to

[31:20] show up in it some of them are really

[31:21] good some of them aren't

[31:23] but there are very few books that are

[31:25] non-religious

[31:26] that are about how to give love and i

[31:28] think for you and i

[31:31] we want to be loved but there's also i

[31:33] just notice in your work

[31:35] all the time around the clock

[31:37] a real emphasis on how do i give love

[31:39] and i just really appreciate you for

[31:41] that

[31:43] thank you

[31:44] this is

[31:45] you know this is a core to a course in

[31:47] miracles really

[31:49] and

[31:50] uh a course in miracles talks about

[31:52] belonging for a special relationship and

[31:55] that

[31:56] being in relationship with someone who

[31:58] you perceive to be unique and wonderful

[32:00] and special all these things is really

[32:02] the ego saying because you're all you're

[32:04] great then i must be great i mean i'm

[32:07] putting that in kind of in a pop way

[32:09] and

[32:10] it really emphasizes

[32:13] well i think i'll put this in my own

[32:15] words really like the disillusion with

[32:17] the ego through being love

[32:19] and my experience is that

[32:22] the more i just

[32:25] let it come through that virtue of

[32:28] divine love and focus on giving

[32:31] just focus on giving like it all works

[32:34] out you get you get you get what you

[32:37] want the legit aspiration for

[32:40] reciprocity for love but just like just

[32:43] give just forgive just give them a break

[32:45] just

[32:46] be the one who shows up

[32:48] and it all there's just so much more

[32:51] flow

[32:52] and i slip all the time and i move into

[32:55] a quiet oh this is i'm quietly demanding

[33:00] it's very sulky you know

[33:03] um because you're not fitting this

[33:06] and

[33:08] i take i'm taking more responsibility on

[33:10] getting out of that

[33:13] responsibility without punishment that's

[33:15] tricky

[33:16] i'm like oh i've i've been i've been so

[33:19] unevolved in this moment just like no i

[33:21] got quiet got sulky

[33:25] how can i love you right now

[33:27] and

[33:28] you expand

[33:30] you feel

[33:33] powerful loving that's the thing the

[33:36] dalai lama said if you want to be

[33:38] unhappy think about yourself which is a

[33:40] dangerous thing to say especially to

[33:42] women

[33:43] please think about yourself nonetheless

[33:44] he said

[33:45] that if you want to be unhappy think

[33:46] about yourself if you want to be happy

[33:48] think about others and he wasn't saying

[33:50] that oh you should be a goody two shoes

[33:52] who's saying that because

[33:54] it is empowering to think of others they

[33:56] come from a position of mass

[33:58] and agency and beneficence and when you

[34:01] only think about yourself which we all

[34:02] must do

[34:04] we shrink and it's very poverty

[34:09] so some balance

[34:10] is really important

[34:11] [Music]

[34:13] i agree with you

[34:15] what is the dollar law

[34:17] so does the dot the other the dl

[34:26] in all the conversations you've had

[34:28] recently let's say in recent time

[34:31] about love

[34:33] about the new book the hard questions

[34:35] about even

[34:37] the affordable truths of love yeah

[34:41] what are people most curious about i

[34:43] because i'm interested in like what's

[34:44] the gestalt right now what's the trend

[34:47] around love with a small love and love

[34:50] with a true reality love

[34:53] well that's a very interesting question

[34:57] and what comes to my mind is

[35:01] some

[35:02] wish to feel safe

[35:07] and that makes complete sense

[35:11] however

[35:12] there is nothing less safe than love

[35:15] [Music]

[35:18] buddhist punctuation point

[35:22] i mean when most of us say we want love

[35:24] that's true but what we also mean is i

[35:27] want to be safe

[35:29] i don't want to be scared i don't want

[35:30] to be threatened i want to

[35:33] cocoon in some way and

[35:36] and there can be vast moments and

[35:37] periods of time where that is true

[35:40] but love is always putting something on

[35:41] the line

[35:42] and there's nothing so we often try to

[35:45] make weird bargains with each other well

[35:47] don't do this and i won't do that and

[35:49] when i say you should be this way then

[35:50] what i expect is that great that's fine

[35:53] but

[35:55] we end up making

[35:56] more and more detailed contracts with

[35:58] each other

[35:59] and

[36:00] like to not scare each other

[36:02] and i don't know what that's called but

[36:05] i don't think it's called love

[36:07] so

[36:08] love is

[36:09] never safe

[36:11] i have to say this or i'll lose my card

[36:13] carrying my buddhist card that's in my

[36:15] wallet

[36:17] all relationships will end

[36:20] whether through

[36:21] various ordinary uh means

[36:24] or because we perish

[36:27] so i can you be on that dot

[36:32] i will love you knowing that this will

[36:35] end

[36:36] can you be on that dot without over

[36:38] s shmooshing your face in it

[36:41] and without ignoring it

[36:43] to me that is the courage also that is

[36:46] necessary and it makes everything

[36:48] precious

[36:49] and alive

[36:50] and terri and terrifying and

[36:53] beautiful

[36:55] beyond any conventional view we might

[36:57] have

[36:59] to hold the end in mind

[37:01] if

[37:02] lightly

[37:04] and not ironically that's where you you

[37:07] hit that strand of eternity too like

[37:11] it's it's unchanging

[37:14] it is lasting and poof

[37:18] and then poof

[37:20] and then poof

[37:24] oh

[37:25] thank you for your work in the world you

[37:27] are helping people

[37:30] get real

[37:33] i that's

[37:34] the biggest compliment and i really

[37:36] appreciate that and a hundred dittos

[37:40] and i love talking with you it's just

[37:43] it's expansive and delightful and

[37:45] hurtful and and just really appreciate

[37:50] thanks

[37:51] here's my prayer i hope i pray that

[37:55] the hard questions lead people to

[37:58] their gentle nature

[38:00] because so much love happens there yeah

[38:03] yeah uh deep respect i love you susan

[38:06] thank you so much thank you

[38:14] [Music]

[38:41] you

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Susan Piver's book The Hard Questions offers 100 essential questions to ask before saying "I Do." In the conversation with Danielle LaPorte, Piver stresses that the questions are less about a checklist of right answers and more about learning how a partner thinks and whether they will listen to your heart.
No, according to Piver. She says you do not have to agree on the answers and that different answers are instructive. What she finds troubling is not knowing how your partner would answer and being unwilling to hear it.
LaPorte points out that a love affair can be sustained by love and sex, but a committed relationship also involves building a shared life around home, children, spirituality, and daily logistics. She says the arguments in her past relationships came from those life questions rather than from love or sex.
Piver argues that love and heartbreak are not different. In her view, heartbreak is love unbound from an object, because an object gives love containment and form while the amount of love in the heart is boundless.
LaPorte describes early love as a test that dissolves the ego, which can feel like falling apart. She said psychologists told her this was what happens when you go deep, and that the discomfort can be a sign of the ego loosening its grip.
Piver, speaking from a Buddhist view she has practiced for more than twenty years, says that in samsaric life there is always a sense of missing a little bit. Her position is that the heart can still shatter, heal, and expand with love, but no single person will fully close the gap.
LaPorte says asking questions every day is good, because assumptions build up until a bumpy moment exposes them. The practice is to keep inquiring rather than presume that you already know how your partner thinks.

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