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Why Buddhist Practice Must Match Your Level: Doubt and the Five Aggregates

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Sravasti Abbey
Oct 31, 2026
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In a long online teaching posted by Sravasti Abbey on October 31, 2026, Venerable Thubten Chodron works through two problems that quietly stop sincere students: deluded doubt, and the expectation that spiritual results should arrive faster than one's actual level of practice allows. She teaches from the fourth volume of the Library of Wisdom and Compassion, Following in the Buddha's Footsteps, co-authored with His Holiness the Dalai Lama, and the session covers pages 380 to 382, where the subject turns from doubt to mindfulness of the five aggregates: form, feeling, discrimination, compositional factors, and consciousness. The thread that ties the session together is an old idea with a modern sting. The Buddha taught according to who was listening, and a path that does not fit the person walking it tends to end in discouragement.

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Why does a teacher open with an elderly master's face?

The session opens not with doctrine but with a visit. Chodron describes going to see an elderly teacher with a companion to ask him about a book on Amitābha. When they walked in, his face looked very old and very wrinkled. As he began talking about the dharma, she says, his face changed and he seemed twenty or thirty years younger, and he was plainly happy. Her point, offered with some humor, was that his long life had little to do with supplements and a great deal to do with a life that felt meaningful because of the dharma.

It is a small scene, but it sets the frame for everything after it. Practice is not a checklist to be completed. It is supposed to change the person doing it. When that change does not appear, the question is not only whether the teaching is true but whether the practice is suited to where the student actually stands.

How does the Buddha teach differently to different people?

The central idea of the opening section comes from her research into the Pure Land tradition. For years, she explains, people in Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, and Taiwan had asked her about chanting Amitābha's name, and many of them had no clear understanding of who Amitābha is, what the Pure Land is, or what causes are required to be born there. A common belief holds that reciting the name ten times is enough. Chodron says she could not accept that as a complete account, and that she gave a talk arguing that the three principal aspects of the path matter if one wants to be reborn in the Pure Land and progress toward Buddhahood. Listeners were surprised to learn it.

Her answer to the "just recite it" position comes from the teacher she visited, who explained that the Buddha prescribes different practices to different people according to their mentality, disposition, and interest. For someone who is old, infirm, ill, unable to think clearly, or illiterate, the path may be simpler and centered on recitation. For others, the same teaching includes virtuous action now and the dedication of merit. Chodron said this framing solved a problem she had with the book itself. She did not want to make the path sound elitist, as if one must study every scripture and meditate for hours each day. But she also did not want to tell readers that reciting a name was the whole story.

The principle she draws out is practical. Whatever a person is actually doing becomes beneficial when it fits them. Tell someone to do what they cannot yet do, and they get discouraged, fed up, and quit.

"If you tell somebody to do something that they can't really do... then they get discouraged. They get fed up. They quit."

Venerable Thubten Chodron, Sravasti Abbey teaching, October 2026

Why do Western students quit when results do not come?

Chodron is blunt about a pattern she sees in the West. Some students receive tantric empowerments very early. Others hear stories of yogis who withdraw to caves for years and come out enlightened, and they set out to replicate the image. She describes students who find a comfortable retreat cave, meditate there, come out unchanged, and conclude that Buddhism does not work. Her diagnosis is that they were practicing at a level that was not their own.

She identifies a second factor: Westerners tend to set the bar very high. The attitude she describes is "if I can attain enlightenment in one life, I'm going to do that," with no patience for the vast timescales the tradition describes. The result is a mismatch between expectation and capacity, and when the expected transformation does not arrive, the student asks what the use is. Her verdict is that this is "a real pity."

She returns to the same dynamic later in the session, noting that many people become depressed and hard on themselves after practicing for a while. They believed a bit of meditation would dissolve their trauma and their difficult emotions quickly. In her framing, the disappointment is not a verdict on the Dharma. It is a signal that the expectations were built on a misreading of what practice does and how long it takes.

What is deluded doubt, and why does it matter for practice?

The first half of the session covers deluded doubt, which the teaching treats as a state that can rob a student of confidence in a path that is in fact sound. Doubt, in the Buddhist frame, is not simply a question. Questions are welcome. The concern is doubt that hardens into a conclusion before the evidence has been examined, or doubt that is driven by the mind's habit of wanting certainty on its own terms. The discussion includes a question from the room, asking how to deal with a "make me believe" kind of doubt, and Chodron responds that questions arising during practice are part of the process, not a failure of it.

That distinction matters for the five aggregates, because the next step of the teaching asks students to look at their own experience with precision rather than accept a theory about it.

How do the five aggregates turn the lens on the self?

Mindfulness of the five aggregates asks the practitioner to observe the components of experience as they arise: form (the body and material aspects), feeling, discrimination (the recognizing mind), compositional factors (intentions, habits, and reactions), and consciousness. In the later fragments of the session, Chodron moves from practice instructions into the way the mind builds views on top of these components. She speaks of people creating doctrines and views, then of how they speculate about whether a self exists within or apart from the aggregates. She also gives examples tied to the feeling aggregate, the pleasant, unpleasant, and neutral tones that color every moment of contact.

The transcript fragments of this part are incomplete, so it is better not to reconstruct the exact arguments. What comes through clearly is the method: notice the aggregates directly, notice how quickly the mind turns them into conclusions about "me," and examine those conclusions with the same patience used to examine the aggregates. The link to doubt is direct. A mind that has settled on a view about the self will tend to doubt anything that threatens it.

Where to go from here

If this teaching speaks to you, the most useful next step is the book it draws from. Following in the Buddha's Footsteps is the fourth volume of the Library of Wisdom and Compassion, co-authored with His Holiness the Dalai Lama, and it is available through Wisdom Experience at wisdomexperience.org. Pages 380 to 382 cover the material in this session, so reading them alongside the recording makes the structure easier to follow.

For more of Chodron's teachings, visit SravastiAbbey.org and ThubtenChodron.org. Because the session is delivered online, Sravasti Abbey asks viewers to attend in the same way they would if they were there in person. Comments on the video are disabled to keep the learning space wholesome.

The lasting lesson is simple to state and hard to live: choose a practice you can actually do today, do it steadily, and let your expectations grow at the pace your mind can bear.

See this page's keyMoments timeline for where each part of the session begins.

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[0:00] encountered the dharma, there was

[0:03] nothing, you know, nowhere to go to

[0:06] learn and in the in the US at that time

[0:10] really. And uh you know, thinking, oh,

[0:14] what do what do I do? Oh, I have to go

[0:17] across halfway across the world. Um you

[0:21] know, and then now it's like there's so

[0:24] many possibilities, so many teachings,

[0:27] so many courses, retreats. It's like

[0:30] people don't know what to do. They

[0:32] choose one thing and then, oh, I want to

[0:34] go over there. That looks like a better

[0:36] idea. Oh, let's go over there, you know.

[0:39] Yeah. So, you know, there's there's

[0:42] that, but there's uh also lots of real

[0:46] sincere interest and and good teachers.

[0:50] Now, I mean, to have somebody like uh

[0:54] Gishi top is quite amazing. Yeah. And um

[1:00] [clears throat] uh Kachina and I went

[1:01] this afternoon. I wanted to ask him

[1:04] about uh some questions about uh doing a

[1:08] book on Amitaba. [clears throat]

[1:10] And when we first came in, his face

[1:13] looked very very old. You know, he

[1:17] looked very old, very wrinkled. But as

[1:20] he started talking about the dharma, his

[1:24] face changed

[1:26] >> and he got you know 20 30 years younger

[1:30] [laughter] and he he was quite happy

[1:32] talking about the dharma. Yeah. So that

[1:36] that is did you notice that too? Yeah.

[1:39] It's uh quite uh apparent how much he

[1:45] lives for the dharma and how he has a

[1:48] meaningful life because of the dharma

[1:52] and he you know I think that's part of

[1:55] why he has lived so long. It's not

[1:57] because he's taking 50 million

[1:59] supplements, you know, [laughter] it's

[2:02] because he, you know, he he has a strong

[2:06] motivation because his life is really

[2:08] meaningful. Yeah. So, very good example

[2:14] for us. Yeah.

[2:17] So um just to tell you a little bit

[2:21] about why I went to talk with him uh and

[2:24] I told him this is uh I lived in

[2:27] Singapore for some time and then I've uh

[2:31] you know been to Malaysia, Indonesia,

[2:35] Taiwan and given talks in all those

[2:37] places and [snorts] the purand practice

[2:40] is one of their favorites there and

[2:44] especially with the older generation

[2:47] but also with the younger generation,

[2:49] our FOSA supporters, some of them love

[2:53] to chant Amito.

[2:56] So, um

[2:58] you know, but they they many people

[3:01] there don't have a a very good

[3:04] understanding

[3:05] of why you do that, who Amitaba is, what

[3:09] this the his pure land is and so on. And

[3:14] uh some years ago I gave one one just

[3:17] one talk about this at Pocasi Monastery

[3:22] um you [clears throat] know talking a

[3:23] little bit about the causes that you

[3:25] have to create to be born in the pure

[3:27] land. It's not just you know because

[3:29] they say well this sutra says if you say

[3:32] ammo

[3:35] to 10 times you will be born in

[3:37] sukavati.

[3:41] really, you know, uh, that just doesn't

[3:45] make much sense. I I haven't checked

[3:47] that scriptural source. It must be

[3:49] somewhere in the Chinese scriptures or

[3:52] something. I've got to check it. But um

[3:56] you know and so I gave just this talk

[3:58] talking about you know the three

[4:00] principal aspects of the path and how

[4:03] important that was to uh have some

[4:06] understanding if we want to go to the

[4:08] pure land and progress on the path to

[4:10] Buddhahood. And people came up to me

[4:13] afterwards and said wow I never knew

[4:18] that about the pure land practice. They

[4:21] were so surprised.

[4:23] So at that time then I thought oh it

[4:27] would be very good to do a book about

[4:30] this. Okay. So I've investigated a

[4:34] little bit. You know there's the two

[4:36] sutras that Gashila spoke about in the

[4:39] Tibetan scriptures in canon. There's

[4:42] three Amitaba sutras in the Chinese

[4:45] cannon. And the uh third one has many

[4:49] ways of meditating on Amitab and the

[4:52] pure land. So it will be interesting to

[4:55] research. But um

[4:58] yeah, what he gave this past week with

[5:02] Jon Kappa's commentary is just

[5:05] fantastic, you know, and explaining it

[5:08] quite, you know, step by step and how it

[5:12] works. Uh, one question I asked him

[5:15] today, uh, which I think is probably

[5:18] good for everybody to know the answer to

[5:22] is, especially if you're going to

[5:23] Singapore and and Taiwan, is uh, well,

[5:27] what about the people who say yes, I can

[5:30] uh, be born there by saying Amitaba's

[5:33] name 10 times or yes, all it takes is,

[5:37] you know, having strong faith and

[5:39] remembering Amitaba at the time I Hi.

[5:42] Um, so you know, why do I need to do

[5:45] anything else? And then they said, you

[5:47] know, this is what my teacher said or

[5:49] this is what, you know, some some

[5:52] scripture said somewhere.

[5:55] And uh Gila was really you know

[5:58] explaining and he's he's done did this

[6:01] during the course too of how the Buddha

[6:05] uh teaches according to people's

[6:09] mentality what their disposition is what

[6:12] their interest is you know and so he

[6:15] says different things to different

[6:17] people he prescribes different uh

[6:20] practices to different people

[6:23] and so Ga is saying yeah for some people

[6:27] you know if you're quite old if you uh

[6:30] are infirm

[6:32] you know you're sick or you can't think

[6:35] clearly or you're illiterate you know

[6:39] which I think was maybe one of the

[6:41] reasons why in China at the beginning it

[6:44] you know they had this belief that you

[6:47] didn't need to do much was because

[6:50] people needed to do something virtuous

[6:52] and they certainly couldn't study all

[6:55] the scriptures and all if they couldn't

[6:57] read um yeah so the Buddha taught these

[7:02] things for those people and so in the

[7:05] book to say okay for these people he

[7:08] taught you know these array of causes to

[7:12] to be born and for these people you know

[7:15] this is is what is appropriate and it's

[7:18] certainly virtuous and he talked also

[7:22] about you know encouraging ing those

[7:24] people to do uh not just meditate and

[7:28] say Amitaba's name but do virtuous

[7:31] actions now and then dedicate their

[7:34] merit. Yeah. And [clears throat] so um

[7:38] it was very helpful because when I do

[7:41] the book I don't want to turn some

[7:44] people off. I don't want it to sound

[7:46] like an elitist thing that, you know,

[7:49] you have to, you know, study all these

[7:52] scriptures and d and meditate 54 hours

[7:56] every day. Um, you know, but I also

[8:00] didn't want to go along with the other

[8:02] thing and say, okay, just say your 10

[8:04] ammo nomfos and you're all set. Um so

[8:09] explaining it in this way about how the

[8:11] Buddha taught differently for different

[8:14] people you know and then that makes

[8:17] whatever somebody is doing beneficial

[8:20] for them.

[8:22] Whereas if you tell somebody to do

[8:24] something that they can't really do

[8:28] Yeah. then they get discouraged. They

[8:30] get fed up. They quit.

[8:33] Yeah. And this is something that we see

[8:36] in the west a lot. You know, people take

[8:40] tantric empowerments very soon. Or they

[8:44] hear about

[8:46] Yeah. You know, Millera and you just

[8:50] find your cave and eat nettles and

[8:52] you're going to come out in a few years.

[8:54] You'll be all green, but you'll be a

[8:56] Buddha, you know. And then you can go to

[8:59] Times Square and CNN will interview you

[9:02] and they'll do a documentary on you and

[9:04] you'll be famous and then you can check

[9:07] that off your your you know bucket list.

[9:11] Um and then they, you know, they find

[9:13] their cave. It's it's he it's aircon.

[9:17] It's heated. It's, you know, has a nice,

[9:20] you know, really nice posh cave. They

[9:23] meditate there and then they come out

[9:26] and like uh

[9:29] you know I haven't changed very much

[9:32] and I haven't realized anything or you

[9:36] know whatever and uh and then they say

[9:39] you know Buddhism doesn't work but

[9:43] that's because they were practicing

[9:45] something that wasn't at their own

[9:49] level. one factor. Second factor is

[9:53] westerners tend to be very

[9:56] um set the bar for for themselves very

[10:00] high. Okay. So if I can attain

[10:03] enlightenment in one life, I'm going to

[10:06] do that. Okay. I don't want this 10, you

[10:09] know, three countless great eons

[10:12] business. It's too long. I have

[10:14] important things to do. Yeah. like make

[10:17] a lot of money and you know make make a

[10:20] machine that's smarter than people.

[10:22] Yeah. Yeah. You know um you know so then

[10:27] then when they can't actualize what they

[10:31] want because it's it's totally

[10:33] unrealistic for for what they're

[10:35] practicing and what their level is and

[10:38] and what they're coming in with. Then

[10:41] they just say you know uh what's the

[10:44] use? doesn't work.

[10:46] Yeah. And that that's a real pity.

[10:50] That's a real pity. And that thing of

[10:53] setting the bar real high,

[10:56] you know, even if you don't play out

[10:59] what I just described there. This is why

[11:02] so many people after they practice for a

[11:06] while get depressed and get down on

[11:09] themselves because they really thought

[11:12] okay you know I can do a little bit of

[11:14] practice and you know all my trauma

[11:17] issues are going to be gone all my you

[11:21] know uh

[11:23] you know insecurity is going to be gone

[11:26] and no it doesn't work like that. Yeah.

[11:30] But we often uh

[11:34] you know we want the result without

[11:36] creating the cause

[11:39] or we want to create a small cause and

[11:42] get a big result you know and that's why

[11:44] I told you a couple of years ago when I

[11:47] was at the center in Long Beach so many

[11:51] people were asking song rivete and

[11:54] saying

[11:56] you know why is the path so long why is

[12:00] It's so hard. [groaning and snorts]

[12:03] Yeah. And as if they expected him to

[12:07] say, "Oh, well, you know, I can change

[12:10] the path and make it shorter." It's

[12:13] like, you know, wait a minute. You can't

[12:17] things

[12:19] require certain causes and you can't,

[12:22] you know, we can't go and change what

[12:25] causes bring what results and and so on.

[12:29] So you know this is the way it is and

[12:31] this is how you have to cultivate it and

[12:36] you know don't don't get this airy fair

[12:40] very you know you know what I mean I

[12:43] think most people the first year or so

[12:46] you know first 10 years you know you're

[12:49] you're in that that thing you know and

[12:52] of course you know people go through

[12:54] this thing of thinking you know I'm

[12:57] really You know, I'm I'm a llama and

[13:01] they just haven't identified me yet.

[13:04] Yeah. I can't tell you how many of those

[13:06] people in Disalah. Yeah. And you know,

[13:10] because I have so much attraction to

[13:12] Buddhism and so you know, I must be an

[13:15] incarnate llama and they haven't found

[13:18] me yet.

[13:20] Yeah. And and then you know Yeah. So

[13:25] it's so my point is here it's [snorts]

[13:28] so easy for our ego and our our wish for

[13:35] attention to get all muddled up with

[13:40] actual true dharma practice so that

[13:43] [clears throat]

[13:44] you know we get discouraged or we get

[13:47] arrogant or we have problems. Yeah.

[13:53] Yeah. So um yeah

[13:58] so slowly create the cause be satisfied.

[14:04] Yeah. Being satisfied is very difficult

[14:07] for us westerners. Have you noticed?

[14:11] >> Yeah. We always you know because we

[14:14] we're educated so we're taught to think

[14:16] critically. So everything can be tweaked

[14:20] and improved

[14:22] and it is improved. You know how many

[14:25] ads do we see for new improved

[14:29] dishwashing soap that for sure will make

[14:32] your husband love you again. Yeah.

[14:36] Because you have soft hands. Your hands

[14:38] are as soft as your daughter's hands.

[14:41] And you know, you have Hand by Hand on

[14:44] the commercial and you know, and he

[14:47] comes along and gives her a big kiss and

[14:49] like, "Okay, we all go out and buy that

[14:52] laundry detergent or dishwashing

[14:54] detergent."

[14:56] You know, we we always want something

[14:59] better

[15:00] and easier and quicker.

[15:05] Yeah. And uh we you know and it creates

[15:09] the cause to get really down on

[15:12] ourselves because we start expecting too

[15:15] much.

[15:17] Yeah. So be careful of that in your

[15:20] practice.

[15:22] [snorts]

[15:23] Lama used to go around and say good

[15:26] enough dear.

[15:29] Yeah. Good enough dear. No llama you

[15:32] don't understand it. what I'm doing is

[15:34] not good enough. No, it can be improved

[15:38] [laughter] and would say good enough

[15:40] dear.

[15:42] Called everybody dear.

[15:47] So yeah, self-acceptance

[15:49] very important.

[15:52] Okay. So um that was the motivation

[15:57] for what I'm not sure but

[16:00] you know for for our talk this evening.

[16:03] So let's uh start

[16:06] you know with imagining the uh mirror

[16:11] field in the space in front of us

[16:16] and ourselves surrounded by all sentient

[16:18] beings.

[16:37] To the teacher endowed transcendent

[16:38] destroyer one destroyer completely and

[16:42] fully awaken one perfect in knowledge

[16:44] and good conduct. One gaunt of bliss of

[16:47] the world supreme god of beings to be

[16:49] tamed. Teacher of gods and humans to you

[16:52] the Buddha and transcendent destroyer

[16:54] glorious conqueror shaky I prostrate

[16:57] make offerings and go for refuge when I

[17:00] supreme among humans you were born on

[17:01] this earth you pay seven strides and

[17:03] said I am supreme in this world to you

[17:06] who are wise then I bow with your body's

[17:09] form supremely fine wisdom motion like a

[17:12] golden mountain fame that blazes in the

[17:15] three worlds [singing] winner of the

[17:17] best supreme guide to you I bow With the

[17:20] supreme sign face like a spotless moon

[17:22] color [singing] like gold to you I bow.

[17:25] You are immaculate. The three worlds are

[17:28] not incomparable. Wise one to you I bow.

[17:31] Great compassionate protector. All

[17:33] knowing teacher field of merit and good

[17:36] qualities as an ocean to the I bow.

[17:40] Through purity freeing from attachment

[17:43] through virtue freeing from the lower

[17:45] realms. unique supreme ultimate reality

[17:49] to the dharma that is peace I bow having

[17:52] freed themselves showing the path of

[17:54] freedom to well established in the

[17:57] trainings though field endowed with good

[18:00] qualities to the sa I bow do not commit

[18:04] any nonverirtuous actions perform only

[18:07] perfect virtuous actions subdue your

[18:10] mind completely this is a teaching of

[18:12] the Buddha a star a mirage a flame of a

[18:16] An illusion, a drop of dew, a bubble, a

[18:19] dream, a flash of lightning, a cloud,

[18:21] see condition things as such. Through

[18:24] this merit may sient beings attain the

[18:27] state of all seeing, subdue the faux

[18:29] faults, and be delivered from the ocean

[18:31] of cyclic existence perturbed by the

[18:34] waves of aging sickness and death.

[18:39] This ground anointed [singing]

[18:43] with perfume.

[18:46] Flowers [singing]

[18:48] strewn Mount Maru

[18:53] for land [singing]

[18:54] sun and moonended

[19:01] as a Buddha land and offered to you

[19:06] [singing]

[19:07] may all beings

[19:11] and enjoy [singing]

[19:14] this pure

[19:17] venerable

[19:20] [singing]

[19:21] gurus

[19:23] in the space of [singing]

[19:26] your truth body

[19:30] from bellowing [singing]

[19:33] clouds of your wisdom and love. Let

[19:38] [singing] fall the rain of the profound

[19:41] and excessive

[19:44] [singing] arma

[19:47] in whatever form is suitable for

[19:51] subduing.

[19:53] [singing]

[20:01] [singing]

[20:04] I take refuge until I have awakened in

[20:07] the Buddha, the dharma and the song. By

[20:11] the merit I create by listening to the

[20:15] dharma. I will attain Buddhahood in

[20:19] order to benefit all sentient beings. I

[20:23] take refuge until I have awakened in the

[20:27] Buddha, the dharma and the song. By the

[20:31] merit I create by listening to the

[20:34] dharma. I will attain Buddhahood in

[20:39] order to benefit all sentient beings. I

[20:42] take refuge until I have awakened in the

[20:46] Buddha, the dharma and the song. By the

[20:50] merit I create by listening to the

[20:53] dharma, I will attain Buddhahood in

[20:58] order to benefit all sentient beings.

[22:34] So generate your bodhicha motivation

[22:39] because bodhicha is

[22:43] the only thing worthwhile to do in

[22:45] samsara when you think deeply about it.

[22:51] Yeah. what are our other choices?

[22:55] They all

[22:57] uh

[22:59] don't really accomplish what the world

[23:01] needs and what we want to

[23:05] be able to do to contribute to the

[23:08] benefit of others.

[23:11] So cultivate

[23:13] the aspiration for full Buddhahood

[23:17] to have the wisdom, compassion and

[23:20] skillful means to be of great benefit.

[23:23] [clears throat]

[23:45] >> [music]

[23:54] >> Okay.

[23:56] So,

[24:01] we're in the middle of going through the

[24:03] four establishments

[24:06] [clears throat]

[24:06] of mindfulness,

[24:08] specifically mindfulness of phenomena.

[24:12] And within that we were doing uh

[24:15] mindfulness of the

[24:18] um the five hindrances. [laughter]

[24:21] Okay. So

[24:24] there I wanted to review that a little

[24:26] bit how to go about some of this, you

[24:30] know, because they were talking about

[24:34] okay that it they gave his holiness gave

[24:38] more of an example with sensual desire

[24:41] but it applies equally for malice,

[24:44] lethargy and sleepiness and so on. But

[24:48] it's you know if you get distracted in

[24:51] your meditation

[24:53] um or you could just start your

[24:55] meditation off for

[24:58] you know then when it says distracted

[25:01] then you know notice it and go back to

[25:04] that that's in the context of your

[25:06] creating trying to generate serenity.

[25:09] Okay. But if you're doing these um

[25:14] meditations

[25:16] on the uh the mindfulness of the of

[25:20] these four objects, then you you

[25:24] [clears throat] start right with

[25:25] meditation on that particular object.

[25:28] Okay. So it was how how do you how are

[25:33] you mindful let's say of malice or um

[25:38] sensual desire or any of them and he

[25:42] said just put your mind on it and

[25:46] observe that mental state

[25:50] okay so if it's sensual desire it could

[25:55] be well what are the characteristics of

[25:57] sensual desire how I How do I know I

[26:00] have that?

[26:02] Yeah. Or how do I know that there's

[26:05] malice in my mind? Well, there's got to

[26:08] be certain characteristics

[26:10] or certain things that we're focusing

[26:12] on, certain moods, you know, whatever.

[26:16] Yeah. So to to really identify what that

[26:21] mental state is and then what causes it.

[26:26] Yeah. And not just glibly say ignorance

[26:30] but look at our own life experience in

[26:33] what situations

[26:35] does uh you know sensual desire arise.

[26:41] Yeah. Well, it's [snorts]

[26:43] not when you see bony uh down in in the

[26:47] library. Oh, it's not that. H what is

[26:51] it? Oh, it's some attractive person. Oh.

[26:55] Hm. You know, and then you start paying

[26:58] attention during your life

[27:02] to how your mind and body react, you

[27:05] know, when you see somebody who's

[27:07] attractive and you check also, you know,

[27:09] how the body reacts when you're angry,

[27:12] you know, you can often feel that in

[27:15] your body. Yeah. So to really examine

[27:19] and observe those mental states, not

[27:21] just say, "Oh, I have this distraction.

[27:25] and I got to get rid of it. Okay. Now,

[27:28] of course, sometimes if you're trying to

[27:30] develop serenity, yeah, you don't want

[27:33] to spend hour after hour observing the

[27:36] distraction. You often want to apply an

[27:40] antidote, lessen it, and so then you can

[27:43] go back to your object of of meditation.

[27:46] Um but in this mindfulness you're really

[27:50] you know yeah h what makes it arise

[27:55] is it permanent or impermanent sit there

[27:58] and watch and can you see how your anger

[28:02] changes over time or does it remain

[28:05] constant?

[28:07] And what do you do when you're angry?

[28:10] Well, some of us like to ruminate.

[28:14] Who likes to ruminate?

[28:17] Yeah. Oh boy. Yeah. Let's waste our time

[28:22] ruminating

[28:23] and you know and then creating the

[28:27] horror stories of what's going to happen

[28:30] because this person's mad at me and I'm

[28:33] mad at them and oh, you know. Okay. So,

[28:38] um you know, you just see Yeah. Well,

[28:40] why do I ruminate?

[28:43] Why aren't I doing what I'm what what do

[28:46] I expect to get out of ruminating?

[28:52] Yeah. Now, if you ruminate

[28:55] a lot, you know, this is a really

[28:58] interesting question,

[29:00] you know, because you have the judge and

[29:03] the jury and the prosecutor and the DA

[29:06] and everybody on your side convicting

[29:10] this person who did this awful thing

[29:14] like like what did they do? They, you

[29:18] know, oh, the turkey pooped on the on

[29:22] the side. Yeah. How dare they? What are

[29:25] we going to do about the turkeys? Can't

[29:27] we change turkeys? You know, do we need

[29:29] to go to a turkey training class? Do we

[29:33] need to have a a roa of cleaning up the

[29:37] the uh walkway because they go out there

[29:40] every day and you know, I'm tired of

[29:43] being the person nobody else does it.

[29:46] And you know, and then you know, at what

[29:49] point do you do you clean it up? Because

[29:52] if you move it too soon, it's gushy and

[29:55] it gets your broom or your shoe dirty.

[29:58] But if you if you wait too long, then

[30:02] when you kick it, it just flakes and it

[30:04] flies apart and you wind up with a

[30:06] little a bunch of particles, you know.

[30:09] So, how to find the exact time to kick

[30:13] it, you know, or to sweep it and, you

[30:16] know, Yeah. just can we train the

[30:19] turkeys somehow? Um,

[30:23] yeah. And you we could go on a long time

[30:25] about this. So, imagine what we do when

[30:28] it's a human being.

[30:30] Yeah. And Yeah. No, they're they're not

[30:34] going potty out there, [laughter] but

[30:36] you know, but it's a human being who

[30:39] made us angry, you know, we're mad at a

[30:42] person. Yeah. Well, it could be for

[30:45] something equally as important. They

[30:48] forget to flush the toilet, you know, or

[30:50] they flush it too much.

[30:53] Yeah. And you we got to save water.

[30:56] Yeah. So, at what point is it okay to

[30:58] flush it? And yeah, so um yeah to to

[31:04] watch how the mind works and why am I

[31:07] doing that? What am I getting out of

[31:09] that?

[31:11] You know, and then what happens to to

[31:15] you know this malice that I feel or this

[31:17] sensual desire does it naturally fade

[31:20] away? Well, it may decrease after a

[31:24] while. I get tired of it, but it's going

[31:27] to come back again. probably just as

[31:29] strong because I haven't really

[31:32] understood it and seen how it's, you

[31:36] know, why is it called a hindrance? We

[31:38] haven't seen its fault. We haven't seen

[31:41] how it's an unrealistic attitude.

[31:44] You know, it's seeing impermanent things

[31:47] as permanent. It's grasping at a self.

[31:50] You know, we haven't understood that.

[31:53] So, okay. So that's kind of what we

[31:57] covered last week. So it was

[31:59] interesting, you know, relate this to to

[32:02] life. Um I got an email um this week

[32:07] from, you know, somebody who's been to

[32:09] the abbey several times, really

[32:12] interested in the dharma, likes to

[32:15] practice,

[32:18] but he's been practicing for a while and

[32:20] now he just feels like his practice is

[32:24] flat.

[32:26] You know, it's just, you know, not so

[32:29] much interest,

[32:31] a little bit boring. The PL that he used

[32:34] to be so excited and so motivated and he

[32:39] doesn't have that feeling now. How come

[32:41] I see a lot of nodding heads?

[32:44] Are there other people that this has

[32:46] happened to? Anybody who it's never

[32:49] happened to.

[32:54] Um, yes, of course this happens. We

[32:57] start out enthusiastic

[32:59] and then after a while it's like

[33:03] I take reuge

[33:06] and something or another. When is this

[33:10] session's going to be over? Um, you

[33:13] know, I exaggerate, but you know what I

[33:16] mean. [snorts] Okay. Um and so I thought

[33:20] actually that in reply to his question

[33:24] because he's saying you know what can I

[33:26] do? I think that you know watching this

[33:32] like it's described here you know

[33:35] instead of getting angry instead of

[33:38] getting depressed instead of telling

[33:41] yourself it's too hard or you can't do

[33:44] it or who knows what. Yeah, just watch

[33:50] that mind. The uninterested,

[33:54] bored mind.

[33:58] Yeah. Watch it. Yeah. And what are its

[34:03] characteristics? How do I know when that

[34:07] has arisen in my mind? Then when that's

[34:10] my mental state.

[34:13] Yeah. What do you feel then? That's

[34:17] Look at it a bit.

[34:21] Hello.

[34:29] Very dry in the mind. Kind of just like

[34:32] uninterested in really anything.

[34:36] >> Nothing's [clears throat] really

[34:36] appealing. It's kind of just like gh and

[34:40] and then there's this kind of like

[34:42] stagnation like there's no movement

[34:44] anywhere. It's just kind of like

[34:46] stuck. It feels like energetically just

[34:49] stuck.

[34:50] >> Yeah. You feel quite stuck

[34:53] >> and you don't know what to do. Is it is

[34:56] it pleasant or unpleasant?

[34:59] >> Unpleasant.

[34:59] >> Pleasant, [laughter]

[35:01] isn't it? Very unpleasant. What makes it

[35:04] arise?

[35:12] Sometimes it's discouragement.

[35:15] Um, sometimes it's when my mind labels

[35:19] it bored.

[35:21] Um,

[35:24] >> are these the cause of it or are these

[35:26] something that come along with it?

[35:32] >> Come along with it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[35:34] What brings

[35:35] >> So the cause of it?

[35:37] >> Yeah. Well, I think it it's the um

[35:41] seeing everything

[35:44] uh

[35:45] in a way that it doesn't exist

[35:49] wears on the mind a bunch. I think you

[35:52] know it's like because if one's mind

[35:57] gets more aligned with reality, it's

[36:00] fresh. It's it's excited. It's

[36:04] >> in a good way. It's it's with it. Mhm.

[36:07] So when my mind is kind of checked out

[36:10] from that whole thing, then it can get

[36:13] this way.

[36:15] >> Yeah. H

[36:16] >> Yeah. Do you had something?

[36:23] >> No.

[36:26] >> I think um for me sometimes one of the

[36:29] causes is honestly laziness. the effort

[36:33] that it takes to

[36:35] engage with it and reflect on it and

[36:39] work with it. Um, sometimes it's just

[36:42] laziness and um, then it is boring and

[36:47] maybe I'd prefer to be doing something

[36:49] that doesn't require so much effort.

[36:53] >> Yeah, it could be very much laziness.

[36:57] It's like

[36:58] I I want something to happen easily.

[37:02] You know this is why do I have to exert

[37:05] so much energy especially when I would

[37:08] rather go back to sleep you know

[37:14] okay go ahead and then it goes back

[37:17] >> I'm not happy with myself

[37:20] there's I'm I'm yeah there's something

[37:23] about what I'm doing I'm just yeah I

[37:25] don't feel um happy with how I've been

[37:28] doing my practice

[37:30] >> okay so you're not happy with yourself.

[37:34] Yeah. And then you're stuck with, you

[37:36] know, grumble grumble.

[37:39] >> I think for me it's routine

[37:42] when I just let my mind going into the

[37:46] routine and not being clarity with my

[37:49] motivation once again and again.

[37:52] >> So it's like being like the hamster in

[37:54] the same

[37:56] >> sodex like stuck that energy of being

[37:59] like stuck,

[38:00] >> right? Yeah. So our motiv we're not

[38:02] taking time to generate our motivation

[38:06] or our motivation is kind of flat. You

[38:09] know what I see sometimes is how my mind

[38:12] really wants something new and exciting.

[38:16] You know it's craving new and exciting.

[38:21] Yeah. So life should always give me

[38:24] something interesting and exciting.

[38:28] And you know when when life doesn't do

[38:32] that, well poof, you [laughter] know,

[38:35] I'm just unhappy.

[38:41] Yeah. Interesting, isn't it? Yeah. Then

[38:45] I stop. Why? Why does everything have to

[38:48] be interesting all the time?

[38:51] Yeah. Or why isn't this interesting? It

[38:56] was interesting last week when I did it.

[39:00] Today it's not.

[39:03] Yeah. What can I do to jazz it up?

[39:10] Yeah. Yeah. It's it's quite interesting.

[39:13] instead of just getting disgruntled and

[39:17] down on ourselves and you know I'm not a

[39:20] good meditator anyway to to really study

[39:26] what that is you know but be careful

[39:29] when we study different mental states

[39:32] sometimes we start we jump into them and

[39:37] take them on again.

[39:40] Okay, it's here when we're observing it.

[39:43] We don't want to get deep in that mental

[39:47] state of being disgruntled or bored or

[39:50] whatever. We want to

[39:54] step back and observe it. Yeah. And is

[39:58] it permanent or impermanent? Now, that's

[40:02] something I've never thought about. That

[40:04] might be interesting to watch. Yeah. How

[40:09] does is this mental state the same in

[40:12] each moment?

[40:15] Yeah. Can I tell when it's going to

[40:17] change?

[40:20] Yeah. And then

[40:23] Yeah. Is this pleasurable or is this

[40:27] dooka?

[40:29] This is clearly dooka, isn't it?

[40:34] Yeah.

[40:36] So something to be abandoned, not

[40:38] something to cling to.

[40:41] And then to see how the idea of a self

[40:45] comes in.

[40:48] Yeah.

[40:50] Oh, this is so boring. I can't meditate.

[40:56] Yeah.

[40:57] I am bored.

[41:00] I am restless. I am distracted. I am

[41:05] lazy.

[41:07] Yeah. Who's the eye that is all those

[41:11] things?

[41:18] Yeah. [clears throat] Can you find the

[41:19] eye that's lazy?

[41:24] That perks our mind up a bit. Yeah.

[41:28] Doesn't it? You know.

[41:32] Or who Yeah. Who who is lazy? Or again,

[41:38] you know, I ask myself, why do I say I

[41:41] feel lazy?

[41:45] Yeah. What exactly am I equating with

[41:48] laziness?

[41:50] And are those things really laziness? In

[41:54] other words, is the ob is does how does

[41:59] it say um does does the object exist by

[42:04] its own characteristics?

[42:08] Okay. So I say laziness. How do how do I

[42:13] feel when I'm lazy?

[42:21] [laughter]

[42:22] Yeah.

[42:25] Uh okay. Is a is that laziness?

[42:32] No. It's a characteristic

[42:35] of laziness.

[42:38] But that characteristic isn't laziness

[42:41] itself. It doesn't match the definition

[42:46] of laziness.

[42:51] Yeah. So, so really you know what do I

[42:54] mean by this word and who is the person

[42:57] who has this mental state.

[43:00] Yeah. Can be very that makes it more

[43:03] interesting if we can remember to do it.

[43:07] You know otherwise we just look at the

[43:10] clock and how much longer or oh I have

[43:13] so many important things to do today. I

[43:16] might as well just end the session now

[43:17] and do the important things like

[43:22] like like

[43:27] >> clean the litter box.

[43:28] >> What?

[43:29] >> Clean the litter box.

[43:31] >> Clean the litter box. Yes. Do something

[43:34] useful. Clean the litter box. Yeah. Pet

[43:40] the cat some more. Check the email.

[43:45] Yeah,

[43:46] check the news. Oh, something exciting.

[43:51] Actually, the news these days is so

[43:54] boring. [laughter]

[43:57] [snorts] I mean, it's like a few days

[44:00] before the midterms, but they've been

[44:02] talking about the midterms for months

[44:07] and it's so boring. And who says what?

[44:11] And then you know even the comedians

[44:16] it's it's like it's getting boring

[44:18] because every day it's like what you

[44:22] know making fun of one

[44:25] [cough and clears throat]

[44:25] thing that uh did

[44:29] Yeah. You know what's this guy doing

[44:32] again? Look what he said again. It's

[44:34] like

[44:36] unbelievable.

[44:39] Yeah.

[44:41] But you know that's boring when it's it

[44:44] happens every time, isn't it? Yeah.

[44:49] Yeah. So it's like can there be a new

[44:52] scandal? Oh, there's a new scandal that

[44:55] that Okay. Yeah. I can look at that for

[44:58] a while.

[45:00] Why are we so interested in that?

[45:05] You had a

[45:15] I I find that that what I do is um you

[45:21] know I've I've got commitments that I've

[45:23] I've been doing for years and [snorts]

[45:26] you know same old same old

[45:28] >> and uh and and you know so I'll go for a

[45:31] walk and and and I do them while I'm

[45:33] walking

[45:34] >> which is a substitute for, you know,

[45:37] sitting down and really really doing

[45:40] them, you know, just trying to generate

[45:42] the

[45:43] >> what you what you're meant to be

[45:44] generating. I go for a walk, I walk the

[45:46] dog, I look around while I'm, you know,

[45:49] I take refuge, yada yada yada, sort of

[45:52] thing,

[45:54] except for when I come to the abbey.

[45:56] [laughter]

[45:58] >> I really appreciate the um the routine

[46:01] here. And I really appreciate being

[46:04] surrounded by practitioners who are um

[46:08] uh you know, trying we're all trying our

[46:10] best and I really see that and that

[46:13] inspires me. Yeah.

[46:16] Yeah. So, that's a benefit from living

[46:18] in community, isn't it?

[46:20] >> Absolutely.

[46:20] >> Yeah.

[46:23] Okay. So, let's continue on from where

[46:27] we left off. That was an example, you

[46:31] know, that this one person wrote me. But

[46:35] I think it's it's good to remember to

[46:38] use what we're learning here in our

[46:41] life. Yeah.

[46:44] Okay.

[46:46] So, oh, now we're on this most wonderful

[46:50] hindrance. This one that's so exciting.

[46:54] Yeah,

[46:56] it's doubt.

[46:59] Okay. And oh, we just finished teachings

[47:02] on the pure land. Boy, we can really

[47:06] start the doubt now. Does the pure land

[47:09] exist? It's in the west. The west from

[47:13] what center point? Yeah. Is the abbey

[47:17] the center point in the west or is

[47:21] Bogaya the center point in the Is the

[47:24] earth even the center point? Maybe it's

[47:27] west from somewhere. Does it really

[47:29] matter if it's in the west? Yes, because

[47:33] it's especially for us who were

[47:35] westerners.

[47:38] Yeah. Um

[47:41] okay. So [snorts]

[47:45] yeah this and doubt and you know who is

[47:48] Ammy Taba? Why is he red? You know can

[47:52] he change colors? Is he red because he's

[47:56] blushing or he's embarrassed or you know

[48:01] we get into so many different trips.

[48:05] Yeah. And then sometimes when you read

[48:09] um I don't know do you know in in the

[48:12] Amitaba sutras do they that in the

[48:15] Tibetan do they have Amitaba's uh vows

[48:20] his [snorts]

[48:21] have you seen those?

[48:23] >> No for sure. I don't

[48:25] >> okay because I know that they're in the

[48:27] Chinese and some of the his res you know

[48:33] firm resolutions his mlam

[48:36] um you know are are interesting they may

[48:41] not exactly agree with our uh western

[48:46] standards of things.

[48:48] Yeah. And so so then uh so what does

[48:54] that make Amitaba?

[48:57] H [clears throat] do I really believe

[49:00] this? Yeah. So yeah, doubt comes up.

[49:04] Okay. So there's different kinds of

[49:07] doubt. Yeah. There's the doubt where

[49:13] we have an earnest question.

[49:16] Yeah. We're not trying to trip somebody

[49:18] up. We're not trying to prove how smart

[49:21] we are by inventing some doubt. But we

[49:26] have an earnest question and that's

[49:29] important to us. That kind of doubt can

[49:33] be remedied. Yeah. We ask somebody who

[49:37] knows. We look at a scripture.

[49:41] We think more deeply about it. And

[49:44] hopefully we can sort it out in in our

[49:46] minds and you know have a conclusion

[49:50] that satisfies us.

[49:52] Then there's the doubt

[49:56] of the make me believe doubt.

[50:02] Anybody have the make me believe doubt?

[50:06] Rebirth.

[50:07] Make me believe it. You really think

[50:10] there's rebirth? What kind of hocus

[50:14] pocus is this? It's your responsibility

[50:18] to make me believe it. Tell me something

[50:20] that makes sense. You know, don't just

[50:23] tell me to accept it because at the end

[50:26] of the day, it's better to accept it

[50:29] than not. Uh you you know, but we're not

[50:34] really sincere with that doubt.

[50:37] It's the doubter. Yeah. Really? Yeah.

[50:41] you make me believe it,

[50:44] you know, and put it on somebody else

[50:46] because we just want to be like an

[50:48] obnoxious kid. Yeah. That doubt is we're

[50:54] not really earnest. Okay. And we're just

[50:57] wasting the other person's time because

[51:00] whatever they say,

[51:03] what's the answer?

[51:05] >> Yes. But

[51:07] >> yes, but

[51:09] we know the answer.

[51:12] Yeah. And sometimes

[51:15] you have doubts coming up in your

[51:18] practice. You go to your teacher, you

[51:22] know, or your mentor for some ideas of

[51:26] what to do in your practice, but you

[51:28] really don't want them

[51:32] because you know what you want to do.

[51:36] I'm out of here, you know. Don't tell me

[51:40] how to deal with this because at this

[51:42] point I really don't care.

[51:46] You know, I'm out of here. And you know,

[51:52] this happens a lot. Yeah. You go to your

[51:55] teacher and ask a question, but you

[51:57] really, it's not a sincere question. And

[52:00] you have your yes, but already.

[52:03] Yeah. And uh

[52:07] so so what you know you have your yes

[52:11] but what does that do for you?

[52:16] Yeah. But you feel kind of do you know

[52:18] what I'm talking about? Anybody in this

[52:21] had this mental state of Yeah. Just like

[52:25] I don't feel like believing today. This

[52:28] just doesn't make sense.

[52:31] Yeah. And just Yes. I'll listen and that

[52:35] makes sense, but stop trying to force it

[52:38] on me and cram it down my throat. This

[52:41] is just hyperbole,

[52:44] you know. So, it's it's it's another

[52:47] variety of, you know, but it's the same

[52:50] kind of thing. We don't really want an

[52:52] answer, but this one we pretend we do.

[52:56] We pretend that we're earnest of in

[52:59] figuring this out, but we really aren't.

[53:03] Okay. So th those kind of doubts

[53:10] you know we're we're when we have th the

[53:13] kind of make me believe it doubt then

[53:17] we're really stuck

[53:19] because what we're basically saying to

[53:22] ourselves is whatever somebody says I

[53:26] don't believe it.

[53:29] So, you already have your opinion made

[53:34] before you've even asked the question.

[53:38] Yeah. And um

[53:43] so we have to look at that's an

[53:44] interesting mind to look at because I

[53:47] don't think it's really doubt. I think

[53:50] it's obstacy being obstinate.

[53:54] It has a t it has a good dollop of

[53:59] ignorance in it.

[54:01] It has some sprinkle of anger.

[54:07] Yeah. So it's an interesting mental

[54:11] state that uh

[54:15] you know just enables us to stay stuck

[54:19] and it justifies

[54:22] are doing what we want.

[54:25] Yeah. Yeah. You're talking about this

[54:28] subject in class. I don't like that

[54:31] subject. Poo. I don't believe that's

[54:34] really true. I'm not coming to the

[54:36] teachings, you know,

[54:40] and

[54:42] yeah, you've already made your mind up.

[54:45] So, you know, people get into that.

[54:48] Yeah. Get into that. Hello. [gasps]

[54:51] Yeah. And then you don't say, you know,

[54:54] then you have to invent an excuse for

[54:57] not coming to the teachings.

[55:00] Yeah. You because you you don't want to

[55:02] say, "Oh, I don't believe it. It's all

[55:04] rubbish and I don't want to really hear

[55:07] what what you say in class. You don't

[55:09] want to say that. So then you write on

[55:12] the board, I'm tired.

[55:15] Yeah. Being tired is so convenient.

[55:18] >> Yeah. Isn't it? Because everybody

[55:20] understands what tired means. Yeah. So

[55:25] I'm too tired.

[55:30] Right.

[55:32] Right. Right.

[55:34] >> [clears throat]

[55:36] >> Okay. Anyway, here's what his holiness

[55:39] stop says about diluted doubt.

[55:43] [clears throat]

[55:44] Okay. It's inclined to the wrong

[55:46] conclusion. So, there's three kinds of

[55:49] doubt. The doubt that's inclined towards

[55:51] the wrong. You know, things really are

[55:56] most likely inherently existent. Then

[55:59] there's doubt in the middle like maybe

[56:02] they could be NP but I don't know. And

[56:07] then there's doubt inclined towards the

[56:10] correct conclusion. Yeah. Oh yeah. I'm

[56:13] learning about that. That makes some

[56:15] sense. You're not yet at having a an

[56:20] assumption, a correct assumption, but

[56:23] you're you've moved away from poof, I

[56:26] don't believe, you know.

[56:29] Okay. Well, and that the poof I don't

[56:32] believe is right on the borderline going

[56:35] to holding a wrong view.

[56:38] Okay. So, diluted doubt is inclined to

[56:42] the wrong conclusion. It's not at that

[56:46] point, but it's going there.

[56:48] It is not the inquisitive doubt that

[56:51] encourages us to learn, question and

[56:55] think clarification,

[56:57] but it's a restive and uncooperative

[57:00] mental state that arises by distorted

[57:04] attention to a topic such as the

[57:07] existence of the three jewels. So, we've

[57:11] focused on the three jewels, but it's

[57:13] with a distorted attention.

[57:18] Okay. So, three jewels. Why are they

[57:21] called jewels? What a dumb thing. Yeah,

[57:25] three jewels. It sounds like what is it?

[57:28] The father, the son, and the holy ghost,

[57:32] you know. And actually in Indonesia,

[57:35] they needed to justify Buddhism in

[57:38] Christian terms. And that's what one

[57:41] Buddhist leader said. Yeah. He Yep.

[57:48] Because otherwise they were going to

[57:49] make it illegal because one of the laws

[57:52] in Indonesia under Sukarto

[57:56] one of those guys dictators was you had

[58:00] to have God in your religion. So

[58:03] Buddhism had to you know Buddha was the

[58:06] God. Uh

[58:09] Jesus I guess was the song was SA was

[58:14] Jesus and um the Holy Ghost was what is

[58:20] the Holy Ghost? [laughter] You know

[58:24] yeah

[58:26] it's called the Holy Ghost in America.

[58:29] Yeah. Maybe Australia it's called the

[58:32] Holy Spirit but you know Aussies um you

[58:36] know well that's the dharma you know

[58:40] it's

[58:42] sorry I I've never understood this this

[58:45] kind of stuff. Yeah.

[58:48] Okay. So it's not the inquisitive doubt

[58:51] that encourages us to learn, question,

[58:53] and seek clarification, but a restive

[58:56] and uncooperative mental state that

[59:00] arises by distorted attention to a topic

[59:04] such as the existence of the three

[59:06] jewels.

[59:09] Yeah. Why why are we having a teaching

[59:11] on Amitaba and the pure land? I mean,

[59:15] shouldn't we be focusing on making this

[59:18] a pure land? I mean, that's what some

[59:20] Buddhists thought. Humanistic Buddhism.

[59:23] Let's develop a pure land here. Is that

[59:26] realistic?

[59:28] I don't think so. You know, why do the

[59:31] why? And then you get off running

[59:33] criticizing humanistic Buddhism,

[59:36] [snorts] you know, and then eventually

[59:37] you come back and well I you know just

[59:41] pure land just buoy.

[59:44] Okay. So one antidote the counteracts

[59:47] doubt is contemplating the difference

[59:50] between virtue and non virtue

[59:55] between what is beneficial and what is

[59:58] not beneficial.

[1:00:01] Okay.

[1:00:03] So if you take the the existence of pure

[1:00:07] land, yeah, is it beneficial to believe

[1:00:11] there is one or is it not beneficial?

[1:00:15] Is it virtuous

[1:00:17] to say it it exists or at least it could

[1:00:20] exist or is that nonverirtuous?

[1:00:27] Yeah.

[1:00:29] Is there anything in believing that that

[1:00:32] there is a

[1:00:34] uh that there's a pure land set up by

[1:00:37] Amaba

[1:00:39] that will uh incline your mind towards

[1:00:43] non virtue?

[1:00:45] [clears throat]

[1:00:49] >> Yeah. No, you don't say, "Oh, you know,

[1:00:52] oh, if I believe there's,

[1:00:54] you know, Amitaba, well, I want to go in

[1:00:57] and dump paint all over pure land." No,

[1:01:01] your mind doesn't go there. Yeah.

[1:01:03] [clears throat and snorts] So, it's not

[1:01:05] non, you know, not believing in

[1:01:09] or believing in that Amitaba and the

[1:01:13] pure land exists. There's nothing

[1:01:16] nonverirtuous about that.

[1:01:20] Yeah.

[1:01:22] Now, if if you say, "Well,

[1:01:25] it's impossible to be born there because

[1:01:27] I can't see the pure land."

[1:01:31] Then what about that?

[1:01:39] Is that a good reason?

[1:01:41] >> No.

[1:01:41] >> Why not?

[1:01:43] There's many things we don't we can't

[1:01:46] see and can't.

[1:01:47] >> Yeah, there's many things that we can't

[1:01:49] say.

[1:01:51] So, how can we definitively say that

[1:01:54] doesn't exist?

[1:01:57] Okay. And then benefit and not bene

[1:02:01] beneficial. Yeah. Would it help me to

[1:02:05] believe that there's a pure land? Would

[1:02:07] it change my behavior?

[1:02:10] Yeah. How would it change your behavior?

[1:02:23] >> The fact that uh

[1:02:26] the fact that it's out that it might be

[1:02:29] out there

[1:02:31] >> changes the the way that I would act in

[1:02:33] the future. It's it's it's Pascal's

[1:02:36] wager a little bit for me, which is that

[1:02:40] is it more beneficial to believe that

[1:02:42] it's out there

[1:02:44] >> even if it if it isn't out there and I

[1:02:47] believe that it's out there.

[1:02:48] >> Uhhuh.

[1:02:49] >> Right. I'm I'm better off than if I than

[1:02:51] if it's out there and I don't believe

[1:02:53] it's out there.

[1:02:54] >> Why Why is it better off? What benefits

[1:02:57] do you get by believing that it is? you

[1:03:01] know, maybe not completely believing but

[1:03:04] going in that direction.

[1:03:06] >> It bolsters it bolsters my excitement

[1:03:09] for the dharma for one thing.

[1:03:10] >> Okay.

[1:03:11] >> Right. I mean, it's it's I like it's

[1:03:14] pleasant. It's pleasant to believe.

[1:03:16] >> Yeah.

[1:03:17] >> That it's out there. Right. And so it it

[1:03:20] it it helps with it helps with that

[1:03:22] laziness we were talking about a minute

[1:03:24] ago.

[1:03:25] >> It's motivating. Yeah. [clears throat]

[1:03:27] >> Okay. Yeah. So it make it kind of makes

[1:03:31] sense. It perks my mind up, you know,

[1:03:35] and it may it may exist. There's it will

[1:03:39] help me maybe not get so angry at people

[1:03:42] or not speak so harshly. So there's

[1:03:46] benefits coming from believing it.

[1:03:49] So okay, I'll go along with it and and

[1:03:52] see what happens.

[1:03:55] What helped me when Gashila was teaching

[1:03:58] this is that um when he talked about um

[1:04:04] uh when you are in that pure land that

[1:04:07] you can emanate and then go help so many

[1:04:10] beings

[1:04:12] >> and one of the hard parts where my mind

[1:04:15] can get stuck is that this takes so long

[1:04:18] and I want to help but I don't have the

[1:04:21] skill to do it

[1:04:23] >> and so this is the this is the method to

[1:04:27] get the skill quicker

[1:04:29] >> it seems to me.

[1:04:31] >> Yeah.

[1:04:34] And you can get that school skill

[1:04:37] quicker

[1:04:39] because you don't have human aggregates.

[1:04:42] You have pure land aggregates.

[1:04:46] So you're not worried about, you know,

[1:04:49] where your food, shelter, and those

[1:04:52] things are coming from.

[1:04:54] >> [cough]

[1:04:55] >> Sorry.

[1:04:57] You're living with a bunch of people

[1:04:58] that are really nice, harmonious.

[1:05:02] Yeah. So, if you're in living in the

[1:05:04] pure land, that makes your practice

[1:05:07] easy.

[1:05:08] So, yeah, there's benefit that comes

[1:05:11] from it.

[1:05:13] Yeah.

[1:05:16] Okay.

[1:05:18] Okay. So,

[1:05:22] the Yeah. One antidote is contemplating

[1:05:24] the difference between virtue and non

[1:05:26] virtue and what is beneficial and what

[1:05:29] is not beneficial.

[1:05:32] Yeah. Is there some fear when you have

[1:05:36] doubt in the pure land that somehow

[1:05:39] you're going to do something that's not

[1:05:42] beneficial or waste your time or is that

[1:05:46] figuring into the doubt?

[1:05:51] You know, like if a doubt, oh, if I

[1:05:54] believe in the pure land, then I'm just

[1:05:57] going to become like those people who

[1:05:58] just walk around all day chanting nama

[1:06:01] to

[1:06:03] and I'm not going to study. I'm not

[1:06:05] going to be able to I'm going to become

[1:06:07] a bornag again ammy tooist and drive

[1:06:11] everybody crazy. You know, you know,

[1:06:16] there there could be that kind of uh you

[1:06:19] know, fear of if I believe this then I'm

[1:06:22] just going to go whole hog.

[1:06:25] Yeah. [snorts]

[1:06:28] Yeah. Whole hog. then you know I won't I

[1:06:31] won't be able to go to work you know

[1:06:33] [laughter] or cuz I'm recite you know I

[1:06:36] say to my boss and I'm a mommy to

[1:06:39] Yeah. Uh whatever it is. Yeah. So okay.

[1:06:44] Yeah. But how likely is that to happen

[1:06:48] that I'll become a born again

[1:06:52] toist?

[1:06:55] Yeah.

[1:06:58] probably nobody is going to make me like

[1:07:02] that. Yeah. [snorts] So if it's not so

[1:07:05] beneficial, I can hold back.

[1:07:10] Okay.

[1:07:11] So we challenge our beliefs because some

[1:07:16] of our beliefs are really wrong.

[1:07:20] By cultivating appropriate attention to

[1:07:23] such topics, we will gain the clarity

[1:07:27] that nos confusion, attachment and anger

[1:07:30] are nonverirtuous

[1:07:33] and generosity, ethical conduct and

[1:07:35] fortitude are virtuous.

[1:07:39] Yeah. And this is one thing that GLa

[1:07:41] emphasized this afternoon for the people

[1:07:44] who you know can't just understand the

[1:07:48] whole the whole thing. Yes. Be a

[1:07:51] generous person. Be a kind person this

[1:07:54] life. Help other people. Nothing wrong

[1:07:57] with that. Yeah. And as the holiness

[1:08:00] also says if you act like that towards

[1:08:03] other people, you're going to have more

[1:08:05] friends. Then everybody goes, "Oh,

[1:08:09] really? People will finally I'll have

[1:08:12] some friends." Well, yeah, if you stop

[1:08:15] criticizing and screaming at people.

[1:08:18] Yes. You know, so that kind of belief

[1:08:21] can, you know, be beneficial for that

[1:08:23] person.

[1:08:25] Okay. Dharma study res uh helps to

[1:08:28] resolve doubts and mindfulness of

[1:08:31] breathing eases the tormenting type of

[1:08:34] doubt. So if you're really stuck and oh

[1:08:38] I this is driving me crazy and I can't

[1:08:43] figure it out then the remedy is just

[1:08:47] watch your breath. Let the mind settle.

[1:08:50] Okay. making a firm resolve to not let

[1:08:54] ourself be submerged by doubts and to

[1:08:58] continue on the path despite having some

[1:09:01] doubts helps direct the mind in a

[1:09:05] constructive direction. So that's good

[1:09:08] to remember. You know, in other words,

[1:09:11] not let our doubts intensify

[1:09:15] to the point where

[1:09:18] they're immobilizing us because we've

[1:09:21] got to have an answer to to this doubt

[1:09:25] that we have. Yeah. And some people get

[1:09:30] like that, you know. I can't practice at

[1:09:33] all until I decide,

[1:09:36] you know, what what color uh garments

[1:09:40] Tara is wearing. You know, have you ever

[1:09:44] [clears throat] noticed we get stuck on

[1:09:45] these unbelievable things? Yeah. Yeah.

[1:09:52] Tara is wearing a celestial silk. What

[1:09:55] does it feel like? What color is it? Why

[1:09:58] is she willing wearing silk? That that

[1:10:02] means that you have to kill all these

[1:10:05] worms to make the silk. That's against

[1:10:09] car Tara's precept. Why is she wearing

[1:10:12] this? You know, and we'll get we

[1:10:15] [snorts] can get really talk about

[1:10:18] ruminating.

[1:10:20] Yeah.

[1:10:22] Okay. Making a firm resolve to not let

[1:10:25] oursel be submerged by doubts and to

[1:10:28] continue on the path despite having some

[1:10:31] doubts helps direct the mind in a

[1:10:34] constructive direction.

[1:10:37] And actually having doubts means that

[1:10:40] you're thinking about the teachings.

[1:10:43] Yeah. If you heard a a teaching on

[1:10:47] emptiness and you go, "Ah, that's easy.

[1:10:49] I got that one.

[1:10:52] Uh maybe you're not you haven't.

[1:10:57] Yeah. So having questions come up and

[1:11:00] asking questions is really a sign that

[1:11:04] we are thinking about the teachings.

[1:11:07] Yeah.

[1:11:10] Okay. Patience is also useful for we

[1:11:14] realize that not all of our doubts need

[1:11:18] to be resolved immediately

[1:11:21] for us to practice and benefit from the

[1:11:24] Buddhist teachings. And that's certainly

[1:11:27] true, isn't it? Yeah. There's so many

[1:11:31] things to practice, so many things that

[1:11:33] benefit us.

[1:11:35] It doesn't matter that all of our we

[1:11:37] still have some doubts you know that all

[1:11:40] of them have been answered.

[1:11:43] Okay. So just uh he there's a a good uh

[1:11:48] analogy here. Diluted doubt is compared

[1:11:52] to traveling across a barren desert

[1:11:55] where nothing grows. Yeah. When your

[1:11:59] mind's in doubt nothing, no wisdom

[1:12:02] grows.

[1:12:03] It is also likened to being at a

[1:12:06] crossroads in the wilderness with no one

[1:12:09] around to ask for directions.

[1:12:13] You're stuck.

[1:12:15] Yeah.

[1:12:17] Diluted doubt has been eradicated by

[1:12:20] stream meners. Although they may still

[1:12:23] have questions about how to practice,

[1:12:25] their experience of reality has

[1:12:28] vanquished doubt about the path and the

[1:12:31] three jewels. So that's a good instance

[1:12:34] of still having questions,

[1:12:37] but they don't have doubts about the

[1:12:40] path and about the um the existence of

[1:12:44] the three jewels.

[1:12:47] Yeah.

[1:12:50] Okay.

[1:12:52] So that's

[1:12:55] done with the five aggregates. Yeah, we

[1:12:58] got them.

[1:12:59] >> Five hindrances.

[1:13:00] >> Five hindrances.

[1:13:02] >> Five hindrances. Yeah. Now we're going

[1:13:05] right to the five aggregates. We're not

[1:13:07] done with them. We keep getting them

[1:13:10] again and again and again, don't we?

[1:13:16] Okay. So to make the mind fit to

[1:13:19] investigate phenomena deeply,

[1:13:22] concentration is essential and that

[1:13:25] necessitates overcoming the five

[1:13:27] hindrances.

[1:13:29] For this reason, the five hindrances are

[1:13:32] the first set in mindfulness of

[1:13:35] phenomena once they once they have been

[1:13:38] tamed.

[1:13:40] Yeah. In other words, don't skip over

[1:13:42] them. But once they have been tamed, the

[1:13:45] mind can with clarity and precision

[1:13:49] contemplate the nature of the mental and

[1:13:52] physical phenomena by employing the

[1:13:55] schema of the five aggregates.

[1:13:59] Cultivating mindfulness of the

[1:14:01] aggregates involves comprehending the

[1:14:04] nature,

[1:14:06] function,

[1:14:07] causes, and conditions of each

[1:14:10] aggregate.

[1:14:11] nature, function, characteristics,

[1:14:16] what their causes are, what their

[1:14:18] conditions are, what happens to them.

[1:14:22] Yeah.

[1:14:24] So, all of that is involved with uh

[1:14:28] cultivating mindfulness of the

[1:14:29] aggregates.

[1:14:32] Okay. So, the five aggregates are

[1:14:34] important be for a couple of reasons.

[1:14:37] One is all impermanent phenomena are

[1:14:41] somewhere in the five aggregates.

[1:14:44] So if you want to understand impermanent

[1:14:47] phenomena, understanding those

[1:14:50] categories is a is a big help you know

[1:14:54] and then that also helps us see that uh

[1:14:59] you know the difference between

[1:15:00] impermanent and permanent phenomena and

[1:15:05] which makes us really see how much we

[1:15:08] cling to to permanence.

[1:15:11] Yeah. how much we clean. We have a plan.

[1:15:17] It's going to go exactly as planned.

[1:15:22] Yeah.

[1:15:23] I have an expectation. I know people

[1:15:27] really well. I been [clears throat]

[1:15:29] around them. They've been my friends for

[1:15:32] a long time. I know them very well. I

[1:15:34] know their habits.

[1:15:37] Why are they acting like this?

[1:15:41] Yeah. what happened? They should be

[1:15:43] acting,

[1:15:45] you know, in the way they always do

[1:15:47] because they have a permanent

[1:15:49] personality.

[1:15:52] So we think how often have we

[1:15:57] been upset because of grasping at imper

[1:16:00] this kind of impermanence or or

[1:16:02] permanence. Same thing with permanence

[1:16:05] of relationships.

[1:16:07] Yeah. My cousin just got married two

[1:16:10] weeks ago. [gasps] Oh, you know,

[1:16:14] standing there promising

[1:16:17] forever, ever, ever, ever, I will love

[1:16:21] you. I will be there for you. I will

[1:16:24] protect you. I will always be in the

[1:16:27] kind of mood you're in. You know, I will

[1:16:30] always be accommodating.

[1:16:33] I will always be sincere. I will be

[1:16:36] funny when you need to be uplifted. I

[1:16:39] will be have a serious discussion

[1:16:41] whenever you want that you know. Yeah,

[1:16:45] you can trust me forever. I am promising

[1:16:48] you this and you just promised the same

[1:16:51] thing to me. So now our relationship is

[1:16:56] permanent.

[1:16:58] What's the divorce rate now?

[1:17:02] Yeah. after two years, after five years.

[1:17:09] Yeah.

[1:17:12] How many people are married to the first

[1:17:16] person

[1:17:18] that they married legally, you know,

[1:17:24] but we grasp permanence

[1:17:27] and then, oh my god, what happened? This

[1:17:31] is supposed to be like this and it

[1:17:33] isn't. And we are mad. We are bummed

[1:17:37] out. We are disappointed.

[1:17:44] It's called reality. You know, reality

[1:17:48] does that to us.

[1:17:51] Banish reality. You know, I don't want

[1:17:55] reality. It makes me miserable.

[1:18:00] >> [laughter]

[1:18:02] >> Yeah, I just want to sit here and be

[1:18:05] angry because somebody isn't acting

[1:18:08] according to my expectations.

[1:18:11] And they changed. Oh my god, they

[1:18:14] changed.

[1:18:18] [snorts]

[1:18:20] Okay.

[1:18:23] So all five aggregates exist

[1:18:26] simultaneously

[1:18:28] in each moment of our human experience

[1:18:31] no matter what we are doing.

[1:18:35] Sometimes one or another aggregate may

[1:18:38] be prominent. When we say I feel good

[1:18:41] today the pleasant feeling is more not

[1:18:45] noticeable.

[1:18:47] So, I feel good today. Emphasis on the

[1:18:51] feeling aggregate. Okay. When we're

[1:18:54] looking for our friend in the crowd,

[1:18:58] the aggregate of discrimination is chief

[1:19:01] because we're looking at a crowd of

[1:19:03] people. We're trying to figure our

[1:19:05] friend. Yeah.

[1:19:08] When we carry out a plan intention

[1:19:13] which is in the aggre aggregates of

[1:19:16] miscellaneous factors that one is

[1:19:19] prominent. We want to carry out a pre a

[1:19:23] plan we have to have an idea uh an

[1:19:26] intention to do it. So that's prominent.

[1:19:30] Beings in the formless realm lack a

[1:19:33] body.

[1:19:35] Yeah. And they have four aggregates. So

[1:19:39] they only analyze the four aggregates

[1:19:42] not the five. But some but they say

[1:19:45] according to tantra they'll they still

[1:19:47] have you know the subtle wind

[1:19:51] somewhere. [snorts]

[1:19:54] Okay. The five aggregates are called

[1:19:58] remember this term the five aggregates

[1:20:02] subject to clinging.

[1:20:04] Yeah. In the uh sutras you find that

[1:20:07] expression a lot subject the aggregate

[1:20:11] subject to clinging because this is what

[1:20:14] we cling to the most. Yeah. If it's an

[1:20:18] external object it'll be something from

[1:20:21] the form aggregate

[1:20:23] most likely. Yeah. If it's uh an

[1:20:28] internal, you know, when we're sick,

[1:20:30] we're clinging to the body.

[1:20:34] When we're disappointed,

[1:20:36] we're uh you know, there's there's the

[1:20:41] feeling aggregate and also the

[1:20:43] miscellaneous fact factor aggregate.

[1:20:47] Okay. So, those two become prominent,

[1:20:50] but we we cling to those. Yeah. Whatever

[1:20:54] we feel like it's this is uncomfortable.

[1:20:59] I don't like it, you know, or like we

[1:21:01] just did this is boring.

[1:21:04] I don't like that. Or this feels good.

[1:21:07] Give me more.

[1:21:09] So we're we cling so much to the

[1:21:14] aggregates. And

[1:21:17] it's very interesting when we watch our

[1:21:19] language.

[1:21:21] Sometimes we look at at the aggregates

[1:21:24] as if they are [snorts] possessions.

[1:21:28] Sometimes we refer to the aggregates as

[1:21:31] if they are the self.

[1:21:35] Okay. So,

[1:21:38] uh what's a good examp? Um I feel sick

[1:21:42] today. I'm sick.

[1:21:45] Yeah, the the sickness is I,

[1:21:50] you know, we're really thinking, you

[1:21:53] know, that that is who I am. I am a sick

[1:21:56] person. That body is me. The body is

[1:22:00] miserable. I'm miserable. But sometimes

[1:22:03] we don't say I'm sick. We say my stomach

[1:22:08] is upset.

[1:22:10] There the body has become a possession.

[1:22:14] It's mine.

[1:22:17] Yeah, my stomach is upset.

[1:22:21] So, it's interesting how we can't uh we

[1:22:26] switch how we relate to the aggregates.

[1:22:29] Do we see them as a possession or as the

[1:22:33] self?

[1:22:35] Yeah. I feel miserable today.

[1:22:41] You know I am so unhappy today. The I

[1:22:46] that's the identity of the of the self

[1:22:50] of the I unhappiness.

[1:22:52] The two are like union oneness as llama

[1:22:56] would say. Yeah. Which is very

[1:23:00] different. I am miserable today is very

[1:23:03] different than saying I feel unhappy

[1:23:07] today.

[1:23:10] Yeah. Can you see in your mind how how

[1:23:12] you relate to it a little bit different?

[1:23:15] I feel unhappy today. Yeah, it's a

[1:23:18] possession. It's not who I am. It can go

[1:23:20] away. But I am unhappy today. Oh,

[1:23:27] you know I am permanently unhappy.

[1:23:35] So just watch, you know, and when I was

[1:23:39] thinking about this because this whole

[1:23:43] thing of identities

[1:23:46] is so important in American culture, you

[1:23:50] know, and especially when there was the

[1:23:53] whole woke thing. Yeah. And I'm not

[1:23:57] putting down the whole woke thing. It

[1:23:59] did go to an extreme, but there were a

[1:24:01] lot of good things that came from it,

[1:24:04] too. But what I did notice when that was

[1:24:08] going on was how solid the self became.

[1:24:15] Yeah. I am from this ethnic group, this

[1:24:20] racial group, this religious group, this

[1:24:24] country, this gender or whatever it is,

[1:24:29] you know, this is who I am and the

[1:24:33] society does not respect me for it and

[1:24:37] it should.

[1:24:39] Yeah, I am a human being. Why are you

[1:24:43] prejudic against me? because I have pink

[1:24:46] hair, you know, my hair is naturally

[1:24:49] pink, you know, or whatever it is, you

[1:24:54] know, I have kinky hair and, you know,

[1:24:58] nobody makes the kind of stuff that my

[1:25:02] kinky hair needs. Or, you know, my skin

[1:25:05] is too white. I want to be suntan. You

[1:25:08] know, I've got to go to a suntanning

[1:25:11] place. Or I've got to hear what is the

[1:25:14] orange stuff that Donnie puts on his

[1:25:16] face that makes him look tan,

[1:25:19] you know? Yeah. What is it? Have you

[1:25:23] seen sometimes when they do a closeup of

[1:25:26] his face, it's all kind of oranges and

[1:25:30] then there's this white pale streak all

[1:25:33] around the edge. Yeah.

[1:25:38] Okay.

[1:25:40] I want to look like that. I want to have

[1:25:43] a tan, you know, or whatever it is. We

[1:25:48] get so attached to anything in the

[1:25:52] aggregates

[1:25:53] that we want, that we like, that we

[1:25:56] don't like, that we don't want. Yeah.

[1:25:59] And this is, you know, our life kind of

[1:26:03] when you think about it.

[1:26:08] Okay. So these five are called called

[1:26:10] the five aggregates subject to clinging

[1:26:14] because these five are the basis in

[1:26:17] dependence on which we cling to I mine

[1:26:20] and myself. Yeah. So the whole woke

[1:26:24] thing I've got to figure out all these

[1:26:27] classes that I belong to and now there

[1:26:31] has to be what was it? safe places to go

[1:26:37] in case it at my university there the

[1:26:41] lesson is something that could trigger

[1:26:45] my feeling of being oppressed because I

[1:26:48] belong to a certain group. Yeah. Do you

[1:26:51] remember that?

[1:26:52] >> You know, there has to be safe places

[1:26:55] and the professor has to warn me that,

[1:26:59] you know, we're going to be watching

[1:27:00] this movie and it it hints at this and

[1:27:04] that and it could trigger that because

[1:27:07] everybody was so sensitive about their

[1:27:11] identity.

[1:27:13] I am fillin blank.

[1:27:17] Yeah. because of identifying one or the

[1:27:20] other of the aggregates be it an

[1:27:23] internal one or the external one as

[1:27:26] being the self.

[1:27:29] Yeah. And then oh my goodness it was so

[1:27:32] difficult at colleges.

[1:27:35] Yeah. I I happened to visit Smith at at

[1:27:41] one point. Yeah. I was asked to give

[1:27:44] some talks there and I remember walking

[1:27:48] into I think it was like the student

[1:27:52] union. It was some some big building and

[1:27:56] they had a big room and there were a lot

[1:27:59] of students sitting in there and I just

[1:28:02] kind of said, you know, why are there so

[1:28:04] many students sitting in there? They

[1:28:06] weren't studying or doing anything. And

[1:28:08] it was, "Oh, that's the safe room in

[1:28:12] case they get triggered."

[1:28:15] Yeah. Well, I didn't have safe rooms

[1:28:18] when I went. Anybody have safe? Who grew

[1:28:20] up with safe rooms?

[1:28:23] You know, cuz there was a certain point,

[1:28:26] you know, but I didn't, you know, if you

[1:28:29] got triggered, you dealt with it

[1:28:32] one way or the other. Yeah.

[1:28:38] Okay.

[1:28:40] Okay. So the five aggregates are called

[1:28:42] the five aggregates subject to clinging

[1:28:45] because these five are the basis and

[1:28:48] dependence on which we cling to I, me,

[1:28:53] my, myself. Okay. We take the aggregates

[1:28:58] to be identical with ourselves making

[1:29:02] them I.

[1:29:04] You know who am I? I am my body. I am my

[1:29:09] feelings.

[1:29:11] I am whatever it is. Yeah. We look at

[1:29:15] them as things we use that belong to us

[1:29:19] and will bring us pleasure. That is as

[1:29:22] my or mine. So we go back and forth like

[1:29:26] that in response to the notions of I and

[1:29:30] mine. We create doctrines and views

[1:29:35] about the self. Oh, goody.

[1:29:39] Doctrines and views. Do you remember in

[1:29:42] the 1920s

[1:29:45] how um people were examining like the

[1:29:50] the kind the shape of people's heads and

[1:29:54] that was supposed to tell you by that

[1:29:56] about their intelligence. There's

[1:29:59] something like that coming back that

[1:30:01] they can they think maybe

[1:30:06] you could tell if somebody's going to

[1:30:08] have uh um Alzheimer's from the shape of

[1:30:13] their head or some kind of you know

[1:30:16] Yeah.

[1:30:20] Yeah. Then everybody's going to go and

[1:30:22] you know, okay, cram it up this way.

[1:30:24] [laughter] I don't want everybody

[1:30:26] thinking I'm going to get on. Well, you

[1:30:28] must have it if you're acting that way.

[1:30:31] [laughter]

[1:30:33] It's nutty. Okay.

[1:30:37] Okay. We look at at things our

[1:30:39] aggregates or at external aggregates.

[1:30:42] Yeah. As things that we use that belong

[1:30:45] to us and will bring us pleasure. That

[1:30:49] is as mind. And we think of people like

[1:30:52] that.

[1:30:54] my boyfriend, my girlfriend, my husband,

[1:30:56] my wife, my professor, mine,

[1:31:00] therefore they are XYZ and they must be

[1:31:05] ABC.

[1:31:08] And we establish doctrines and views

[1:31:11] about the self. [snorts]

[1:31:14] People who are short,

[1:31:18] you know. Oh, no. It's people who are

[1:31:21] tall are more self-confident.

[1:31:26] Yeah. Just talk to some short women and

[1:31:30] you'll realize that is not true. Okay.

[1:31:35] Yeah. Short women can be very,

[1:31:40] >> can't we? Yeah. [laughter]

[1:31:44] But

[1:31:45] yeah, but you know, you judge people

[1:31:48] according to to their height or you know

[1:31:51] people who weigh X amount are and you

[1:31:54] give some kind of value judgment about

[1:31:57] them. All this kind of stuff.

[1:32:01] Oh, and how we diagnose people. Yeah.

[1:32:05] Based on their miscell miscellaneous

[1:32:08] factor. Oh, this person gets,

[1:32:12] you know, sometimes they're happy and

[1:32:14] sometimes they're miserable. Okay. So,

[1:32:18] sometimes they're feeling aggra,

[1:32:21] sometimes it's miserable. Sometimes they

[1:32:24] they are attached to people, sometimes

[1:32:27] they see the people um you know too

[1:32:31] critical. So that's miscellaneous.

[1:32:34] You know, we get so involved in this and

[1:32:37] then we develop doctrines.

[1:32:41] Yeah. And philosophies about it. And

[1:32:45] what this is what the Nazis were

[1:32:47] investigating a lot. You know, the Nazi

[1:32:50] doctors that did all these experiments

[1:32:53] to on twins on all sorts of people to

[1:32:57] see things.

[1:32:59] Yeah.

[1:33:01] because that will, you know, determine

[1:33:05] whether they should go to uh to work or

[1:33:09] whether they should go to the gas

[1:33:11] chamber right right away. Are they going

[1:33:14] to be useful citizens? Are they going to

[1:33:16] be

[1:33:18] dump dumps? You know,

[1:33:21] okay.

[1:33:23] Considering the body is I some people

[1:33:27] believe that when the body desires dies

[1:33:30] the self becomes non-existent

[1:33:33] that's a doctrine we make yeah how many

[1:33:36] of you believe that at one point in your

[1:33:39] life

[1:33:41] you know when I die that's it finished

[1:33:44] yeah thinking the self is unchanging

[1:33:48] monolithic and autonomous

[1:33:51] other people assert it as an eternal

[1:33:55] personal identity, a self, a otman or

[1:33:58] soul. How many people had that view at

[1:34:02] one time or another in their life?

[1:34:05] Yeah. Oh, we were extremists. Sometimes

[1:34:08] we were needless. Sometimes we are

[1:34:11] absolutists.

[1:34:13] There are the two extremes in one

[1:34:16] lifetime,

[1:34:18] you know. And now hopefully we're going

[1:34:20] towards the middle way.

[1:34:24] Then they speculate on whether the self

[1:34:28] atman or soul is universal or

[1:34:31] individual.

[1:34:33] Yeah. Is there one big mind and we are

[1:34:36] all chips off of it?

[1:34:40] Yeah. So is there one universal mind or

[1:34:44] do we all have individual minds? Yeah.

[1:34:49] Do we have a soul?

[1:34:52] Yeah. Do do AI computers have souls?

[1:34:58] This is a big hot topic now. [gasps] Do

[1:35:03] they have consciousness? Do they have

[1:35:05] souls?

[1:35:08] Yeah.

[1:35:11] When your computer blacks out, is it

[1:35:14] going to go to heaven or hell? Does God

[1:35:17] send the soul of the computers up or

[1:35:20] down? Or do the people who invent the

[1:35:23] computers do that?

[1:35:28] We're going to see a whole bunch of

[1:35:30] interesting

[1:35:32] and ridiculous doctrines

[1:35:35] in the near years. [clears throat]

[1:35:38] Okay. Then they speculate on whether

[1:35:41] yeah the self the atman or soul is

[1:35:44] universal or individual. Is it finite or

[1:35:48] infinite?

[1:35:51] Yeah. Does it end or is does it go on

[1:35:55] forever?

[1:35:57] Yeah. When somebody believe some people

[1:36:00] believe in rebirth

[1:36:03] but when you're reborn you get um you

[1:36:07] know like your feeling aggregate from

[1:36:10] one person in your uh line in your

[1:36:14] lineage. You get your um discrimination

[1:36:18] aggregate from another person you know.

[1:36:22] Yeah. As if

[1:36:24] Yeah. You're a compilation of different

[1:36:27] parts of other people's souls.

[1:36:32] Listen, there's these philosophies out

[1:36:35] there. I met some people who on that one

[1:36:39] who who had it. Okay. In this way, so

[1:36:43] many doctrines and views about the self

[1:36:46] have arisen throughout human history

[1:36:50] and tangled up the mind of the people

[1:36:53] who have them and caused wars.

[1:36:58] Cuz this is what people kill each other

[1:37:02] in. You know, is your soul saved or not?

[1:37:09] You know, you don't believe in the soul.

[1:37:12] You don't believe God created you with

[1:37:15] the soul. You are a what's the word?

[1:37:19] Heretic.

[1:37:20] >> Yeah. You should be killed.

[1:37:25] Listen, read, if you don't believe this,

[1:37:28] read European history.

[1:37:31] People killed each other in the name of

[1:37:34] God every generation.

[1:37:38] And is I mean this is exactly what this

[1:37:42] the text is describing here developing

[1:37:45] theories. Look at what's happening in

[1:37:48] Europe right now. You know there's uh

[1:37:52] years ago there was uh a lot of people

[1:37:56] from Turkey and some Muslim countries

[1:37:58] immigrating.

[1:38:00] um [clears throat] they were freeing

[1:38:02] fleeing um you know messes in their own

[1:38:08] country and going to Europe and Germany

[1:38:11] was accepted a lot of these people yeah

[1:38:15] and and you know some people were f for

[1:38:20] it and saying yes we are a welcoming

[1:38:22] compassionate country we're fine now the

[1:38:27] ADF in Germany is saying there's too

[1:38:30] many immigrants. We don't like these

[1:38:32] people. They're here illegally. Get rid

[1:38:35] of them.

[1:38:37] Yeah. And it's just over

[1:38:41] the shape of the body, the color of the

[1:38:43] skin.

[1:38:47] Yeah. The language that they speak, it's

[1:38:51] so ridiculous.

[1:38:53] But again making theories, philosophies

[1:38:59] about all this.

[1:39:01] [clears throat]

[1:39:03] Okay.

[1:39:06] I think that's a good point to stop

[1:39:09] today, huh? Yeah. You can worry about

[1:39:13] your soul.

[1:39:18] Yeah. Oh, I mean

[1:39:23] if you go to Israel, you know, because

[1:39:25] there the three Abrahamic

[1:39:28] religions are there and there's, you

[1:39:31] know, one

[1:39:33] driving towards Jerusalem. There's one

[1:39:36] cemetery where they bury the Jews

[1:39:39] because on the day of judgment you God

[1:39:45] brings you back to life

[1:39:47] you know and then you know there's other

[1:39:51] cemeteries for the the Muslims what they

[1:39:54] do and other cemeteries for the Jews for

[1:39:57] the Christians

[1:39:59] you know depending on what people

[1:40:02] believe happens to your body,

[1:40:06] this piece of organic material which is

[1:40:10] impermanent

[1:40:12] and decaying.

[1:40:14] You know, they fight wars

[1:40:18] over the theories of what's happening

[1:40:22] happen to you after you die.

[1:40:28] It's so amazing our our world what

[1:40:33] people think and how much we cause each

[1:40:36] other's suffering isn't it?

[1:40:41] Okay. So see how this relates to this

[1:40:46] point. How we take the one aggregate or

[1:40:50] another and [clears throat] either see

[1:40:53] it as I as the self or as mine or my my

[1:41:00] this my that.

[1:41:02] Yeah. I mean look people who have kids

[1:41:07] my child.

[1:41:09] Oh my god. You know, all you do that

[1:41:13] twoletter word my

[1:41:17] and your whole relationship to that

[1:41:20] other living being changes.

[1:41:24] And it's it's just the the idea of my do

[1:41:30] you ever possess another sentient being?

[1:41:34] No.

[1:41:37] But my child spelled cat k a t.

[1:41:45] What's going to happen to them?

[1:41:50] Anyway,

[1:41:51] we're going to do the bell and drum.

[1:41:54] That's what's going to happen to all of

[1:41:55] our parents kids. [laughter]

[1:42:02] Okay.

[1:42:04] So, what

[1:42:15] So there's a lot in this to think about,

[1:42:18] don't you think?

[1:42:20] Yeah, there's a lot.

[1:42:26] May the spiritual teachers who lead me

[1:42:30] on the sacred path [singing]

[1:42:34] and all spiritual

[1:42:36] friends who practice it have long life.

[1:42:42] May I [singing] pacify completely all

[1:42:45] outer and inner hindrances.

[1:42:49] Grant such inspiration [singing]

[1:42:52] I pray. May the lives of the venles

[1:42:57] [singing]

[1:42:58] spiritual menures be stable

[1:43:02] and their virtuous

[1:43:04] actions spread in the 10.

[1:43:11] May the light [singing] of love song's

[1:43:13] teachings dispeling the darkness

[1:43:18] of the beings and the [singing] three

[1:43:21] worlds always

[1:43:24] increase.

[1:43:31] [singing]

[1:43:32] Due to this merit, may we soon attain

[1:43:36] the awakened state of Guru Buddha that

[1:43:40] we may be able to liberate all sentient

[1:43:44] beings from their suffering.

[1:43:48] May the precious bod not yet born arise

[1:43:52] and grow. May thou born of no decline

[1:43:56] but increase forever more in the snowy

[1:44:00] mountain pure land. You're the source of

[1:44:03] good and happiness.

[1:44:05] Powerful tens and guilts of generosity.

[1:44:09] May you stay until some sorrow ends. May

[1:44:14] the deeds of explaining and practicing

[1:44:18] the dharma

[1:44:20] down by groups supporting the teachings

[1:44:24] and there are holders

[1:44:27] who spread the view of dependent arising

[1:44:33] and nonviolent

[1:44:35] actions in the tendecially

[1:44:43] of a in the west flish.

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The five aggregates are form, feeling, discrimination, compositional factors, and consciousness, the components Buddhism uses to describe experience. In this teaching, Venerable Thubten Chodron presents mindfulness of them as a way to observe experience directly rather than accept theories about a fixed self. Pages 380 to 382 of Following in the Buddha's Footsteps cover this material.
Deluded doubt is a doubt that hardens into a conclusion before the evidence has been examined, or one driven by the mind's wish for certainty on its own terms. Questions themselves are welcome in Buddhist practice. Chodron frames doubt that arises during practice as part of the process rather than a failure of it.
In this teaching, Chodron says she does not accept that recitation alone is a complete account of Pure Land practice. She argues that the three principal aspects of the path matter for those who want to be reborn in the Pure Land and progress toward Buddhahood. She also notes that the Buddha prescribes different practices to people of different capacities, so recitation may be the central practice for some and only part of the picture for others.
Chodron says students often quit when they practice at a level that does not match their capacity, or when they expect results far sooner than is realistic. She points to Westerners who set the bar very high and to students who become discouraged and depressed after a year or so. Her advice is to choose a practice that fits your current level.
Following in the Buddha's Footsteps is the fourth volume of the Library of Wisdom and Compassion, co-authored with His Holiness the Dalai Lama. It is available through Wisdom Experience at wisdomexperience.org. Chodron's teaching in this session draws from pages 380 to 382.
According to the teacher Chodron describes, the Buddha tailored teachings to each listener's mentality, disposition, and interest. Someone who is old, ill, or unable to read may be taught a simpler practice, while others are taught virtuous action and the dedication of merit. The principle is that practice benefits the student when it fits their actual capacity.

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