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Inspiration

Why Your Higher Self Pushes Past Your Comfort Zone

Lisa Campion
Lisa Campion
Oct 22, 2026
9 min di lettura

Da Lisa Campion

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Picture the scene Lisa Campion sketches at the top of her conversation: a couch, a dog and a cat, a favorite British baking show, and a routine that never asks for anything new. Nothing about that picture is shameful. It is the most ordinary image of human contentment there is. But in this video, Campion argues that the couch is the battleground where a quieter war takes place. One part of you, the personality or inner child, wants to stay exactly where things are known. Another part, which she calls the higher self, has a different agenda and keeps pressing you toward the edge of what you can do. The conversation, a loose, warm exchange with a co-host named Jane, is less a lecture than a working map: how to recognize the two forces, why shoving yourself past the familiar tends to fail, and how to take the younger part of you by the hand so that growth can happen with the whole of you on board.

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Why does the couch feel so safe?

Campion's starting point is that the pull toward comfort is not a character flaw. In her words, the inner child "would be super happy to stay right where things are known, inside the comfort zone." She is careful to add that this is not laziness and not a refusal of risk. "It's just that that comfort zone is comfort to that part of us," she says (around 1:29). The distinction matters. If you treat the couch as a moral failure, you begin a fight with yourself that has no winner. If you treat it as a part of you doing a job, you can start negotiating.

Jane gave that job a name that clarified the whole discussion. The protective system, she said, runs on survival, and survival is about predictability. It is always measuring whether tomorrow will look like today. That mechanism is essential. A nervous system that could not tell safe from dangerous would not last long. The problem is not that predictability exists. The problem is when it becomes the only setting.

What is the higher self actually after?

If the protective system measures predictability, the higher self measures something else. Jane put it plainly: the higher self's job is evolution, and it "measures by expansion." That is why the two parts can look like enemies when they are really running on different instruments. Neither is wrong. One keeps the lights on; the other keeps the story moving.

Campion frames this as a difference in agenda about where your life should go. The higher self is "on a completely different page," always pushing toward what she calls the unknown, because that is where, in her phrase, "the growth is" and "all the good stuff is." Her co-host added a useful test for recognizing the higher self's voice. It tends to show up as restlessness or low-grade boredom, as the sense that old things feel small, like shoes you have outgrown. It may also appear as the same theme returning again and again from different directions. And there is often a telltale pattern: the body says yes, and then immediately comes a but.

That last detail is worth sitting with. Much of the internal conflict Campion describes is not a clean no. It is a yes that gets undercut the moment it becomes real. Recognizing that reflex is the first step toward working with it rather than being torn in half by it.

Why does dragging your inner child backfire?

The most practical claim in the video is also the most counterintuitive for anyone raised on discipline-as-growth. Campion says that forcing your inner child, "dragging your inner child but back backwards through the hedge," as the transcript renders her line, simply does not work. "That backfires," she says. Overriding the younger part of you may get you through a single door, but it teaches the system that stepping into the unknown means being ambushed. The next time the higher self proposes something new, the protective system braces harder.

Jane made a related point about the cost of pushing without listening. Growth that is forced can become a kind of self-abandonment, a way of ignoring what the body and heart are signaling in favor of an idea of how you ought to be progressing. The video's answer is not to abandon the push entirely. It is to change the order of operations. Comfort first. Then nervous-system regulation. Then support. Then the stretch.

How do you take the inner child by the hand?

Campion's central image is worth quoting in full in spirit: take that younger part of you by the hand, comfort them, settle your nervous system, line up your support networks, and only then let that foundation give you "the air under our wings" to stretch into new territory. The sequence is the substance of the talk. Growth, in this telling, requires safety rather than force.

Each step does real work. Comforting the inner child means acknowledging that the fear is legitimate information rather than an obstacle to be cleared. Regulating the nervous system, which Campion says the conversation would address directly, is about physiology: a body in alarm cannot evaluate an opportunity clearly. Gathering support gives you people and structures that make the unfamiliar less lonely. When these are in place, the leap is less a gamble and more a next step that the whole self has agreed to take.

This also reframes what "discipline" means in a spiritual practice. The aim is not to win arguments with the couch. It is to make the couch feel secure enough that it stops sabotaging the trip.

How do you tell protective fear from fear of the familiar?

Campion says one of the key skills is discernment: learning to tell a fear that is protecting you from a fear that is simply guarding the familiar. The two can feel identical in the moment. Both produce tightness, hesitation and a strong urge to postpone. The difference lies in what they are guarding. A protective fear points at a real risk to your safety or wellbeing, and it deserves attention. A fear of the familiar points at change itself, at the discomfort of being a beginner, at the loss of a routine that never asked anything of you.

The conversation gives no checklist for this, and it would be dishonest to invent one. What it does offer is a habit of inquiry. Ask what exactly the fear is protecting. Notice whether the signal is specific, such as a concrete danger or a red flag in a situation, or diffuse, a general resistance to anything that is not already known. Notice whether the body is saying yes with a sigh and a but. Those patterns help separate wisdom from inertia.

What does the refusal of the call teach about hesitation?

Jane brought in a useful frame from mythology. Joseph Campbell, she noted, describes the hero's journey as beginning with a call to adventure, which is almost always followed by a refusal of the call. "Every mythic hero hesitates," she said. Hesitation, in other words, is built into the story. It is not a sign that you have chosen wrong. It is a stage.

Her practical advice was to begin with what lights you up. Enjoyment and excitement are data about where the higher self is pointing. Once you know what sparks you, the work becomes making a line from that spark toward concrete action steps. The inner child may still stop the train at the station, but at least you know which train you were trying to board.

What is productive discomfort, and how do you find the edge?

The phrase the hosts kept returning to was productive discomfort. The idea is that you can put your foot on the gas, and it will feel a little uncomfortable, but the discomfort is doing something useful. Campion described her own experience this way: when she is not working the edge of her growth, she does not feel as alive, and she feels more energy and passion when she is "skating that edge." She was candid that the edge is not a stable target. It keeps moving. But she said she can tell when she is in it because the feeling is slightly uncomfortable while she also knows she is growing.

The gas-and-brake metaphor the hosts used offers a practical way to think about balance. Sometimes the car needs the brake: you are in acceleration, throwing yourself off balance, and need to settle. Sometimes it needs the gas: you are stuck and the comfort zone has become a cage. The problem, as one host framed it, arrives when you get jammed in one mode. Too much comfort and you stagnate. Too much push and life becomes a crisis rather than an opportunity.

That distinction is the most useful thing to carry away. Expansion can unsettle you, and the same experience can feel like a crisis or an opportunity depending on how much support, regulation and self-trust you bring to it.

Where to go from here

The core invitation of this conversation is simple to state and harder to live. Your higher self is not trying to hurt you, and your inner child is not your enemy. They are running different programs with different priorities. Start by listening for what lights you up and where the old things have begun to feel small. When fear shows up, ask whether it is protecting you or guarding the familiar. If it is the second, comfort that part of yourself, settle your body, gather people around you, and then take the next step with the whole of you present.

Growth that works, in Campion's telling, is growth you can afford to make. It keeps the couch in the picture rather than pretending you can leave it behind. If you have been feeling the restless pull toward something bigger while another part of you digs in its heels, this conversation is a reminder that the answer is not a fight. It is a partnership with both parts, moving at a pace that keeps you alive to the adventure.

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[0:04] [music]

[0:12] >> Hey everybody, welcome back to the

[0:15] Quantumistic podcast. I'm Lisa Campion

[0:17] I'm here with my dear friend Bestie and

[0:20] co-founder of the Quantum Mystic School

[0:22] of Consciousness, the lovely and amazing

[0:23] Jane Bear.

[0:25] Um, today we're talking about something

[0:26] that I don't know. This is something

[0:28] that comes up for me on a fairly regular

[0:31] basis.

[0:32] >> [snorts]

[0:32] >> Like how like

[0:34] you know, how do we get challenged when

[0:37] our higher self is pulling us higher

[0:39] into our mission and our personal self

[0:42] maybe like

[0:44] not so happy about that or if you're

[0:46] anything like me it might be like

[0:48] your inner child sitting in the corner

[0:50] sucking your thumb while your higher

[0:51] self is like we're going to do it and my

[0:53] and the inner child's like no, don't

[0:54] make me do it. And there's I think we

[0:57] all have these two parts, right? Our

[0:59] personal self, the egoic self, the inner

[1:01] child that would be super happy to stay

[1:03] right where things are known, inside the

[1:05] comfort zone. For me like that's on the

[1:08] couch with my dog and my cat you know,

[1:11] watching the the British baking show

[1:13] >> [laughter]

[1:13] >> and living in a kind of routine that

[1:15] never asks us to do anything new. And

[1:18] it's not that we're lazy or you know,

[1:21] that we don't want the risk, it's just

[1:23] that

[1:24] that comfort zone is comfort to that

[1:27] part of us.

[1:29] And our higher self is on a completely

[1:30] different page. It has a different

[1:32] agenda about where your life should go

[1:33] and it's always sort of pushing us into

[1:36] the unknown. That's where the growth is.

[1:38] That's where all the good stuff is.

[1:40] Um, and I I don't know. I think we just

[1:42] wanted to talk about this tension that

[1:45] this conflict that we feel, most of us I

[1:48] think feel are aware of that. Um

[1:51] why

[1:52] forcing your inner child like dragging

[1:54] your inner child but

[1:56] back backwards through the hedge to

[1:57] force yourself to do that really doesn't

[1:59] work. That backfires. And why it works

[2:02] so much better to take that sort of you

[2:05] know, younger part of you by the hand,

[2:07] comfort them, settle your nervous

[2:09] system, you know, we're going to talk

[2:10] about nervous system regulation, line up

[2:12] your support networks, and then that

[2:14] sort of gives us kind of the air under

[2:16] our wings to stretch into new territory.

[2:19] So, we're going to talk about how to

[2:21] tell when fear is really protecting you.

[2:24] And that's stuff we need to pay

[2:25] attention attention to versus when we're

[2:28] just resisting change or feeling super

[2:32] resistant to come out of the comfort

[2:34] zone. So, if you've been feeling that

[2:36] pull towards something new while another

[2:39] part is digging in its heels, this is

[2:41] the right conversation.

[2:42] Um and Gina, I'd love I'd love to hear

[2:44] what you think about this.

[2:46] >> Oh, it's such a great juicy conversation

[2:49] that I feel like even we can have

[2:51] reminders about. Um everybody can have

[2:53] reminders about. And if you're joining

[2:55] us, hello. It feels like it's been a

[2:57] minute um being here live and

[3:00] happy to have you all joining us. If you

[3:04] are joining us live, please say hi, join

[3:07] the conversation, let us know what you

[3:08] think about this, let us know where

[3:10] you're um listening in from um cuz we

[3:12] just love it so much. And already

[3:15] Melanie will just say perfect talk for

[3:18] this moment. Hiding feels so good until

[3:20] it doesn't. Yes.

[3:22] And you know, something that you said

[3:24] Lisa which is worth like

[3:27] ex- just reiterating is that it's like

[3:31] the universe actually

[3:33] um

[3:34] exists and moves in this way of

[3:36] expansion and contraction or

[3:38] integration, you know, and so here we

[3:41] are these these like sweet human bodies

[3:46] >> [laughter]

[3:46] >> experiencing life doing that same work.

[3:50] Um and you know, the personality and the

[3:52] higher self are they're not enemies.

[3:54] They're absolutely working together um,

[3:58] in the in the way that we create, in

[4:01] creation. Um, but they just have

[4:02] different jobs, you know?

[4:04] I think the the protective system is

[4:08] survival and we really need that. It's

[4:10] super important uh, mechanism. And

[4:14] survive with survival is predictability.

[4:16] We we're like measuring predictability.

[4:18] We're looking for predictability.

[4:21] Um,

[4:21] and that actually adds to the like

[4:25] the moments where we need integration,

[4:27] but the higher self job is evolution.

[4:30] You know, it actually measures by

[4:31] expansion. And neither one is wrong.

[4:34] They're just, you know, running

[4:36] differently and and I think it's like

[4:39] really useful mechanisms. Both are

[4:41] really useful mechanisms.

[4:43] Fundamentally important to being human

[4:46] and alive. Um, but you know, it's just

[4:50] learning that when

[4:53] what is what and what's happening when

[4:55] and it's like if we're

[4:58] you know, on the couch

[5:00] with our cats

[5:02] >> [laughter]

[5:03] >> and our tea, it's not necessarily

[5:07] laziness. It's like our brain is

[5:10] literally trying to save fuel. And I do

[5:12] think that that is integration,

[5:14] personally.

[5:18] >> Yeah, I mean, I it's so it's sort of

[5:21] like the gas and the brake. You know

[5:22] what I mean? You know, and if you're

[5:24] going to get anywhere in your car, you

[5:25] need the gap one foot, you know, there's

[5:27] times when we need to step on the gas

[5:28] and there times when we need the brake.

[5:30] So, I love seeing that as kind of

[5:32] finding the balance and I think the

[5:34] problem comes when we get stuck or

[5:36] jammed in one thing, you know, like we

[5:38] get too in the comfort zone and then

[5:41] we're not evolving, moving forward.

[5:44] Um, we feel stuck in life. And honestly,

[5:46] in all the years that I've been working

[5:47] as a psychic,

[5:49] the two the two biggest questions that

[5:51] people ask me are

[5:53] I feel stuck and I don't know how to get

[5:54] out or their foot is on the gas and

[5:57] they're sort of in a crisis, you know?

[5:59] Cuz sometimes the expansion can

[6:01] you know, unsettle us, right? So, it

[6:03] feels like a crisis or an opportunity.

[6:05] And I think

[6:08] yeah, like

[6:10] if you're in the

[6:11] acceleration and you know, throwing

[6:13] yourself off balance, we need the brake.

[6:15] And if we're too

[6:17] um

[6:18] too stuck, we need to put our foot on

[6:20] the gas. So, I think it's how do we find

[6:22] that balance? What do you think, Jane?

[6:25] >> Yeah, I feel like

[6:27] you know, being able to listen to what

[6:30] it is I I go back to what lights us up.

[6:34] What is it that sparks

[6:37] um enjoyment and excitement. And I

[6:42] Joseph Campbell,

[6:44] he's

[6:45] he talks about the hero's journey and

[6:47] there's like this call to adventure.

[6:49] >> Yeah.

[6:50] >> And and then but then there's after that

[6:52] it's followed by the refusal of the

[6:53] call.

[6:54] >> Right. [laughter]

[6:55] >> And it's like a bit it's a built-in

[6:57] stage.

[6:58] >> Yeah.

[6:59] >> And every mythic hero hesitates. And so,

[7:02] there's like and the universe kind of I

[7:04] don't know, we can

[7:06] I don't want to get too far into

[7:07] manifestation because that's there's

[7:09] like a lot of mechanisms that go into

[7:11] that, but sometimes we get in our own

[7:13] way of like the call to adventure, oh my

[7:17] gosh, here it is. I'm so lit up by this,

[7:20] but then that like either the inner

[7:21] child or the part of us that's that's,

[7:24] you know, sabotaging um

[7:27] stops the whole the whole train. Um and

[7:31] but I feel like

[7:34] first, starting with that um

[7:38] what lights us up and then making a line

[7:40] to action steps towards that is a good

[7:43] place to know when to put on the the

[7:45] gas.

[7:47] >> Yeah, that's that's really good. I like

[7:49] this concept of um productive

[7:51] discomfort. You know, like we can move

[7:55] for put our foot on the gas and it's

[7:57] going to be a little uncomfortable, but

[7:59] it it's productive. Like there's sort of

[8:01] like a growth

[8:03] um

[8:04] my personal feeling is if if I'm sort of

[8:06] not working that edge of my own growth,

[8:10] I I don't really feel as alive. I feel

[8:12] more alive for some energy, more passion

[8:14] in my life if I'm skating that edge. And

[8:17] it's it's always moving, you know, it's

[8:19] it's not a

[8:21] stable target, but I I can tell I'm sort

[8:24] of doing it for right a minute if I'm in

[8:26] this productive discomfort feeling. Like

[8:28] it's a slightly uncomfortable, but I

[8:30] know I'm growing a lot and you know,

[8:33] you know, that's sort of the bull's-eye

[8:35] that I aim for.

[8:37] >> Yeah, I think the higher self

[8:39] um speaks to us uh like the signs that

[8:43] it speaks to us is

[8:44] um like the you know, old things feel

[8:48] kind of small, like shoes you've

[8:50] outgrown. There's like restlessness or

[8:53] low-grade boredom. Um like what you were

[8:55] talking about, these wanting like being

[8:57] on the edge. Um you know, the same

[9:00] opportunity or theme keeps showing up

[9:02] but in different directions.

[9:04] I think

[9:05] um

[9:07] sometimes it's like

[9:09] there's a yes, the body says yes, but

[9:12] it's immediately followed by like a but

[9:15] >> [laughter]

[9:16] >> or you I don't know.

[9:18] And I think that that's that same hero's

[9:20] journey. Um or or like, you know, for me

[9:25] a lot of times and the

[9:27] the like energy that rises in and you

[9:30] can imagine this new thing or whatever

[9:32] it is and then it's followed by like

[9:35] some fear, you know. And I think we we

[9:37] have to just get used to that get

[9:39] comfortable with that and not thinking

[9:42] that there's something wrong or oh gosh,

[9:44] I shouldn't actually do it.

[9:46] Um

[9:47] and

[9:48] it's it's it's like this little

[9:50] persistent

[9:51] um you know

[9:54] um we can we can track that.

[9:57] >> Right.

[9:57] >> Yeah, and it's like this if there's this

[10:00] persistent tapping like we we should

[10:02] follow that. That's the higher self

[10:03] talking.

[10:04] Um

[10:06] >> Right through intuition, through signs

[10:08] and omens, through like, you know, um

[10:11] our gut feeling, what's in our heart.

[10:13] And I was just interested in what Happy

[10:15] Yodeler is saying here about you know,

[10:18] not um

[10:20] finding the finding not finding meaning,

[10:22] you know, and asking for

[10:25] um guidance from the outside. And I do

[10:27] think we get guidance from the outside.

[10:28] It's So it's for me it's kind of like

[10:31] guidance from other people, from signs

[10:34] and omens, from where I feel inspired.

[10:35] Inspiration is a for me a big key like

[10:38] what I

[10:39] what I read, what I feel drawn to

[10:42] studying or looking at, who I feel

[10:44] inspired by. There's some clues there,

[10:46] but I think it's also an inner journey.

[10:48] Like we have to go

[10:50] find the answer to that on the inside.

[10:53] So I think if you don't know what your

[10:55] purpose is, it's looking at it's some

[10:58] inner looking, looking on the inside.

[11:00] And like what like what you said, Jane,

[11:01] looking for what lights you up.

[11:03] You know.

[11:04] >> Yeah, cuz sometimes going back to Happy

[11:06] Yodeler specifically, I've asked a lot

[11:08] of questions to the universe. Um

[11:11] sometimes the universe is asking is is

[11:14] wanting us to just make a step, make a

[11:17] choice. It doesn't matter the choice.

[11:19] Just make a step in a direction

[11:22] um because

[11:24] universal law of free will. Um and and

[11:27] then the guidance will come. I don't I

[11:30] feel like that's that's often

[11:33] um when we're working with with trying

[11:35] to navigate you know

[11:38] and so I suppose and I'm not saying that

[11:40] this is this is what happy other

[11:42] yodelers doing but like we don't sit we

[11:45] don't want to sit and just ask a

[11:46] question but like sit stagnant cuz

[11:49] that's actually that's kind of that fear

[11:51] and that inner child waiting to be told

[11:53] what to do.

[11:54] >> Yeah.

[11:55] >> Um but it just doesn't work that way. We

[11:56] need to actually make a step even if

[11:59] it's a wrong move wrong quote unquote

[12:01] wrong. There's never going to be a wrong

[12:03] move. It's like just going to align us

[12:06] more towards again hopefully we can get

[12:09] into in touch with what it is that

[12:11] lights us up and we need to explore

[12:13] that.

[12:14] You know, that our lives are all our

[12:16] entire lives are about exploring what

[12:19] lights us up.

[12:21] >> Right. Yeah, and and like I said it's

[12:23] like a moving target and I think

[12:25] sometimes you know, when we go through

[12:28] um like the sort of those like blank

[12:29] stages of life, you know, like you have

[12:32] a total you come out of college and you

[12:35] you're just fresh and you don't know,

[12:37] you know, what to do or you have a total

[12:39] life makeover. You know, those life

[12:40] crash and burn moments where your life

[12:42] just like default

[12:44] you get divorced, you lose your job,

[12:46] you're like back you know,

[12:48] um and that happens to me like if after

[12:51] a big growth cycle. Like I don't feel

[12:52] like the same person I was. So it's I

[12:56] don't know what the next thing is until

[12:57] maybe I try a little bit, right? We

[12:59] don't know whether it's for us we have

[13:01] to try it on for size and see see if it

[13:03] still fits how it feels when we do that

[13:06] and I think that's your point of

[13:08] taking a step, right? You take a step

[13:10] and you see how it feels. Does that feel

[13:12] like the right direction? Does that

[13:14] get energized me? I think a lot for me

[13:17] it's about what brings me life force

[13:19] energy. What energizes me? What

[13:21] um

[13:22] and I I know there many times where I

[13:24] just I'm like on fire about something

[13:27] that I'm doing and you know, spring out

[13:29] of bed at 5:00 in the morning cuz I

[13:31] can't wait to

[13:32] for me it's usually creative projects

[13:34] that um bring me there.

[13:36] Um but I like what Happy Yodeler was

[13:39] saying is, you know,

[13:41] seeing the world around and can't ignore

[13:44] the suffering of myself and others.

[13:46] Well, that's a calling in a way. So,

[13:48] maybe the calling in that case is to be

[13:50] of service, right? Cuz I think a lot of

[13:52] us

[13:53] old souls, empaths, healer types

[13:56] part of our mission is about how we can

[13:59] serve. We're asking ourselves

[14:01] how do we have impact? How do we have

[14:03] How can we help? How can we make the

[14:04] world a better place?

[14:06] Um you know, for for us being here in a

[14:10] kind of a measurable way and I think

[14:11] that that's often what the higher self

[14:13] is guiding us to to kind of a personal

[14:16] expression of who we are, like through

[14:18] something creative,

[14:19] and how can we be of service?

[14:22] >> I think that's a great That's a great um

[14:26] explanation and and advice.

[14:30] Um I think, you know, that that's great

[14:33] for everybody to

[14:35] to be able to see like, yeah, we're

[14:37] we're all There's a lot There is a lot

[14:39] of suffering. Um

[14:42] I don't know if there's more suffering

[14:43] now than there has been in in all of

[14:45] humanity. I don't know, but I know that

[14:48] we're all connected to it more and

[14:51] especially if you're tapped into like

[14:53] the collective consciousness, it can

[14:55] feel

[14:56] really, really um not only exhausting,

[15:00] but just like

[15:02] it can stop us in our tracks, you know,

[15:05] and it can also really poke

[15:08] and [clears throat]

[15:10] and glare at our inner child who doesn't

[15:13] want to deal with all of the suffering

[15:15] and doesn't know how to, frankly.

[15:17] Um and so that inner child, that that

[15:21] part of us, that personality is going to

[15:24] dig in and and dig its heels and say

[15:27] like

[15:29] you know, I don't want to suffer. This

[15:31] this is too much. Um but it's really

[15:34] understanding

[15:36] that at this point if you're listening

[15:38] you're probably in your a phase of being

[15:41] an adult and knowing like hey, we can

[15:44] talk to we can talk to those the our

[15:47] inner child. We can say like you've done

[15:49] a great job keep like um

[15:52] keeping me alive and and through

[15:55] whatever it is that we've survived. And

[15:58] it's not we're it's it's not our enemy.

[16:01] It's like this is our this has been our

[16:04] bodyguard through um

[16:06] so many things and it's still working um

[16:10] it's still it's still working now

[16:11] possibly, but it's like an old outdated

[16:15] job. Um

[16:17] and so

[16:18] understanding and becoming

[16:21] friends with, you know, um being in

[16:24] relationship with who is the one that's

[16:27] digging their heels in and who's the one

[16:28] who's having like a really really hard

[16:30] time right now. And know if uh is that

[16:35] is that part of me protecting me?

[16:37] Um or is it is it fear that's keeping me

[16:41] like right on the edge of expansion.

[16:44] There [clears throat] is a difference.

[16:45] It feels it does I think it feels really

[16:47] different.

[16:48] >> I do too. And I think it feels like fear

[16:50] is just like that nervous system like

[16:53] nervous system

[16:54] um response where you know, it just

[16:57] short-circuits everything and all you

[16:59] can do is like at that point is regulate

[17:02] cuz it's never good to make decisions

[17:03] when you're disregulated. We can't feel

[17:05] ourselves. We don't know what to do.

[17:06] It's like, you know, it's like pulling

[17:08] the emergency stop on the train, right?

[17:10] Everything needs to then your prime

[17:13] directive is regulation. So you can go

[17:16] back to feeling who you are, feeling

[17:19] what's happening inside. And for me,

[17:21] like I've had this commitment since I've

[17:23] been doing inner child work for so long

[17:25] and

[17:26] um super excited cuz I'm in the middle

[17:29] of book launching my book Sacred Re

[17:31] parenting's coming out in on December

[17:33] 1st. Woohoo. And um so this is a topic

[17:37] that, you know, is really on my mind

[17:39] right now, but I have sort of a motto

[17:42] that I live by and it's like no no inner

[17:44] child left behind. Like

[17:46] I'm never going to um I'm never going to

[17:48] make a decision that leaves my inner

[17:50] child behind. I and anytime I feel that

[17:52] inner child really

[17:54] acting up, it's like I stop everything

[17:57] that I'm doing if I can and my prime

[18:00] prime um

[18:02] you know, directive is to take care of

[18:04] that part of myself, to regulate, to

[18:06] emotionally regulate, nervous system

[18:07] regulate, to attend to myself. I don't

[18:10] override that anymore. Unless, you know,

[18:12] sometimes you're you have to cuz you're

[18:15] in the middle of the PTO meeting or in

[18:17] the middle of a whatever session or

[18:19] whatever you're doing, but as soon as I

[18:21] have a minute, I go back to that. And

[18:24] that has given me like a lot of sort of

[18:26] money in the bank with my inner child.

[18:29] So, a lot of trust, a lot of

[18:31] a foundation so that I can go ahead and

[18:34] do take bigger risks or make more

[18:37] quantum leaps because I know I'm not I'm

[18:40] never going to make a choice that harms

[18:42] that part of myself.

[18:43] It's like my primary commitment.

[18:46] >> That's beautiful. Yeah, and it's a it's

[18:48] a practice, everybody. It's like

[18:50] everything that we do here is a practice

[18:53] and we get every time we do it,

[18:56] um we get a little bit better and just

[18:58] like you're saying, it's like putting,

[19:00] you know, pennies in the savings account

[19:02] and just going back to like being able

[19:04] to distinguish within ourselves. I feel

[19:07] like protective fear

[19:09] often feels like like a clear clean no.

[19:12] It's like we're pulling back. Sometimes

[19:14] we feel nauseous. There's like a sense

[19:16] of wrongness, you know? Where growth

[19:19] fear often feels like it's like

[19:21] activation with

[19:23] maybe some aliveness underneath, you

[19:25] know?

[19:25] >> Productive discomfort.

[19:26] >> That's what you're saying. Yeah.

[19:29] There's like butterflies plus excitement

[19:31] feeling. It's like nervous-cited.

[19:33] >> Yeah, nervous-cited. That's a good word.

[19:35] >> Yes, my one of my friends calls it

[19:36] nervous-cited, too.

[19:37] >> Nervous-cited. It's [laughter] such a

[19:39] So, physiologically, fear and excitement

[19:41] are nearly identical arousal states, but

[19:43] the difference is interpretation and

[19:45] whether there's like a sense of capacity

[19:48] on the other side.

[19:49] >> Mhm.

[19:50] >> You know? And so, just this is about

[19:52] knowing ourselves on a deeper level.

[19:54] Um and and it's and if we have this

[19:58] ability to be curious, like we would be

[20:02] curious with a 3-year-old or a

[20:05] 4-year-old or 5-year-old, like, oh,

[20:07] they're they're curious, let's be

[20:08] curious with them. They're curious about

[20:10] the world, let's be curious about

[20:11] ourselves. Um and we can kind of

[20:14] navigate this without

[20:16] kind of sinking into

[20:18] um

[20:19] I don't know, the suffering and

[20:20] disparity of it all [laughter]

[20:23] that comes at times.

[20:24] >> I know, and and I think too, for me it's

[20:26] sort of a day-by-day thing. Like,

[20:29] there's some days where I wake up and I

[20:30] just feel strong and regulated and it's

[20:33] easy to take the steps forward and other

[20:35] days that I wake up and I'm wobbly and

[20:37] I'm like, I just need extra care or I

[20:40] just it's not a good day to make a

[20:41] decision or like it isn't going to be a

[20:44] couch

[20:45] cat nap day, you know? Like

[20:49] Um and and to feel like that's sort of

[20:51] attunement. It's like self-attunement,

[20:53] right? Um

[20:55] so important because it's you know, to

[20:57] be flexible, to be aware of what's

[21:00] happening with a non-judgmental. Like, I

[21:03] don't if I need a couch day, I need a

[21:04] couch day and I don't judge and I see

[21:07] the benefit of those times, you know,

[21:10] and and you said this already, Jane, is

[21:12] it sort of integration, right? Because

[21:14] we grow It's like climbing stairs. We

[21:17] take a step up, and then we have a flat

[21:19] a flat time, and we have to integrate

[21:21] what we learn. Then we take another step

[21:23] up, and then we integrate. We take

[21:24] another step up. If we don't do that, we

[21:27] can climb at a level that

[21:29] throws us out of balance. It puts

[21:31] precipitates a crisis or, you know, a

[21:34] breakdown of some kind. And that there's

[21:37] no underestimating the importance of

[21:40] that integration cycle.

[21:42] Um and and I think that process is how

[21:44] we expand our capacity, right? So, as

[21:47] we, you know, you make the challenge,

[21:49] you integrate. You make the challenge,

[21:51] you integrate. And over time, that

[21:53] expands our capacity for life, for life

[21:57] force energy, to receive, to give, all

[22:00] of the things, you know, that we do. And

[22:03] um like that's happening for me in my

[22:04] life right now is a a lot of

[22:08] all the lessons are around expanding my

[22:10] capacity to

[22:12] to receive all kinds of things, you

[22:13] know. Um

[22:15] and I I stretch, and then I need to

[22:17] settle. I need to like take that

[22:20] the tread of the step for a little

[22:22] minute before the next one. So, I don't,

[22:24] you know, blow a gasket, you know, drop

[22:26] an O-ring out of my nervous system like

[22:28] kind of cuz you can if you don't honor

[22:30] the integration cycle. And I think

[22:32] sometimes in our fast-forward society,

[22:35] kind of our do do do society, there's

[22:37] sort of judgment or you feel bad if

[22:39] you're in that integration cycle. You

[22:41] feel like you should be doing something.

[22:43] And really, it's sort of a state of

[22:45] being that we cultivate when we're in

[22:47] there, right? That's super necessary.

[22:50] >> Super necessary. And you think about it

[22:52] like we're all these pyramids. I mean,

[22:55] it's we have to build out the base, and

[22:57] then we have to build out the next

[22:59] level. And there's the only way to do

[23:01] that is with time and integration.

[23:03] Otherwise, the whole thing is going to

[23:05] be built like, you know, the leaning

[23:07] tower of Pisa. It's going to fall over.

[23:09] >> Yeah.

[23:09] >> None of us want that.

[23:10] >> None of us want that.

[23:11] >> So, leaning into that beingness, that

[23:15] time of beingness, knowing it's just a

[23:17] time. Um and the difference between, you

[23:21] know, uh continuing that time and expa-

[23:27] extending it longer and longer and

[23:28] longer to the point where it's actually

[23:30] keeping us in in a limited space. You

[23:34] know, we don't we don't want to do that

[23:35] either cuz

[23:37] expansion

[23:39] is our birthright. The universe wants us

[23:41] to expand, wants us to have more. It's

[23:45] It's It's just part of the design of

[23:47] being human.

[23:48] >> 100%.

[23:49] >> Um

[23:49] but it's also important like we can't

[23:51] bully ourselves into expansion.

[23:54] Uh you you can bully yourself into an

[23:56] experience, but the body is going to

[23:58] like sort it and file it under under I'm

[24:02] never doing that again,

[24:03] you know? And so, it's important to um

[24:07] you know,

[24:09] be kind with ourselves and understand

[24:11] like there's a there's a there's a big

[24:14] listening game here.

[24:16] Um

[24:17] and and we're sort of we're working with

[24:19] both the the personality or the inner

[24:22] child or both and the higher self and

[24:26] we're bringing both of them along, you

[24:27] know, we're holding both their

[24:29] both [clears throat] their hands.

[24:30] >> [laughter]

[24:31] >> I love that and I something you said um

[24:34] sort of inspired me to think about what

[24:36] if we upgraded our version of being of

[24:40] integration. So,

[24:42] can we make it richer? Like and maybe

[24:46] that's you get off the couch. I mean,

[24:49] you know, a Netflix although I'm not I'm

[24:52] not saying there's anything wrong with

[24:53] that, but what if sort of like a richer

[24:55] version of that expansion of that of

[24:58] that integration time.

[25:00] Um maybe it's meditation or journaling

[25:03] or creative projects or playing having

[25:05] fun. I also never under- underestimate

[25:07] the power of play.

[25:09] You know,

[25:10] and creativity. Um so maybe there's

[25:13] richer ways you can do that.

[25:16] Right?

[25:16] >> Absolutely.

[25:17] >> You know, that are more you know,

[25:19] life-giving and more feeding that part

[25:21] of us that wants the state of being cuz

[25:24] there's different levels and qualities

[25:26] of the states of being, right? Can we

[25:27] upgrade

[25:28] >> Yeah.

[25:29] >> that state of being to the juiciest we

[25:31] can get, right?

[25:33] >> Absolutely.

[25:34] >> What about that?

[25:35] >> I love that.

[25:36] I love that.

[25:38] Yeah, and I think that, you know, it's

[25:40] really important it's it is a really

[25:43] important thing to to mention that play

[25:46] and creativity, if we're creating, let's

[25:48] just say, it doesn't really matter.

[25:50] We're we're like beading or we're

[25:53] painting or we're playing music or

[25:56] >> We're dancing.

[25:57] >> You know, it's very different than

[26:00] um

[26:01] than it like intaking more information,

[26:05] which could be nothing wrong with books,

[26:07] nothing wrong with Netflix, but like

[26:09] that's actually bringing in more

[26:11] information into our minds to then need

[26:15] to process.

[26:16] Um so they're very different things, you

[26:19] know?

[26:19] >> Yeah.

[26:19] >> And I'm not saying don't don't Netflix.

[26:22] I'm just saying like notice when that

[26:25] becomes almost like a an escape. Um and

[26:29] our nervous system is going to do a

[26:31] completely different thing and be able

[26:33] to do that integration and build out

[26:35] that integration process. If we sit, for

[26:38] me, it's sitting and doing right now

[26:41] watercolor

[26:42] and drawing. Like that's that's the

[26:45] thing for me that's going to just like

[26:48] sink me in and and regulate, you know,

[26:52] and build that capacity um

[26:56] through that practice. And so,

[26:59] you know, find again, finding out what

[27:01] is for us. I know for Lisa, that's

[27:03] dancing.

[27:04] >> Yeah, it's more physical things really,

[27:06] like walking, dancing. I do like

[27:08] puzzles. I do like puzzles. Um

[27:11] gardening, like I like a sort of

[27:13] physical

[27:13] >> Gardening, yeah.

[27:14] >> Yeah, the physical aspect of it, but I

[27:16] I'm also, you know, I write novels in my

[27:18] spare time.

[27:19] >> [laughter]

[27:20] >> And all my spare time.

[27:22] It's nuts, but I do. And so, that sort

[27:24] of creative and that is so nourishing,

[27:26] so so

[27:27] soul nourishing for me.

[27:29] Um and that's kind of new. Like, you

[27:32] know, that's new as of this summer that

[27:34] I started doing that, writing novels in

[27:35] my spare time. I think I'm nuts, but

[27:37] it's really fun for me.

[27:38] >> It's creative.

[27:39] >> Yeah. Yeah. So,

[27:41] anyway, such a good conversation and if

[27:44] you want to know more about the kinds of

[27:46] things we talk about, I just want to put

[27:48] a little pitch in here for the Quantum

[27:50] Mystic School of Consciousness. This is

[27:52] a school that uh Jane and I run. We

[27:54] start a new cohort every spring.

[27:57] Um you can go to the quantum-mystic.com

[27:59] and get on our waitlist, so you'll be

[28:02] informed

[28:03] um

[28:05] for when the next cohort starts, cuz

[28:06] this is like, if you dig this podcast

[28:09] and how,

[28:11] you know, we talk and how we think and

[28:13] you want more of it, that's where where

[28:15] uh where you want to go. And yeah, thank

[28:17] you uh so much for the um the shout-out

[28:21] for the December 1st book launch. Stay

[28:22] tuned for

[28:24] um Sacred ReParenting coming to you

[28:26] December 1st.

[28:28] It's going to be a good one.

[28:29] >> Everybody's so excited. It's going to be

[28:31] a good one. I know these these

[28:33] conversations are are

[28:35] are going to be all all in there and

[28:38] it's going to be I we're all looking

[28:41] forward to it, of course.

[28:43] Um

[28:43] and thank, you know, thank you everybody

[28:46] for for being here live and and joining

[28:48] in. Um it's it's makes the conversation

[28:52] super fun. So, thank you.

[28:54] And um

[28:56] yeah, you you can find us of course I

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[29:32] another conversation. So, thanks.

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In Lisa Campion's framing, the inner child and personality seek the predictable and the known, a mechanism she and her co-host describe as protective and focused on survival. The higher self is focused on evolution and measures progress by expansion, which is why it keeps pushing toward unfamiliar territory. Both are useful, and neither is wrong; they simply run on different priorities.
Campion argues that dragging your inner child into the unknown by force tends to backfire and can amount to a form of self-abandonment. It teaches the protective system that new steps are ambushes, so it braces harder the next time. Her alternative is to comfort that part of you, settle your nervous system, and line up support before stretching.
The video suggests asking what the fear is actually guarding. A protective fear points to a specific risk to your safety or wellbeing and deserves attention, while fear of the familiar is more diffuse and resists change itself. A useful sign is whether the body says yes followed immediately by a but.
Productive discomfort is the slightly uncomfortable feeling you get when you are working the edge of your own growth. Campion says it keeps her feeling alive and energized, and she can recognize it because she is growing even though it is not entirely comfortable. The edge is not fixed, so it keeps moving as you develop.
Campion and her co-host point to restlessness, low-grade boredom, and the sense that old things feel small, like outgrown shoes. The same theme may keep appearing from different directions. Excitement about a particular idea or activity, what the hosts called what lights you up, is another signal worth following.
Jane referenced Joseph Campbell's hero's journey, in which a call to adventure is typically followed by a refusal of the call. She said every mythic hero hesitates, so hesitation is built into the process rather than proof that you have chosen wrong. Starting from what excites you and turning it into small action steps can help move past it.

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A café parable about two strangers exposes how conditioning colors every encounter. Eckhart Tolle explains why pure attention, not effort, i…

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Become Live at Center for the Arts: Chant and Call-Response
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Become Live at Center for the Arts: Chant and Call-Response

A seven-minute live performance of "Become," from the album by Simrit feat. dub creative, built on repeated vocal phrases, held vowels and c…

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Full Moon Meditation for Blessings: An 11-Night Practice
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Full Moon Meditation for Blessings: An 11-Night Practice

Lisa Whatley's 21-minute full moon meditation asks listeners to return for eleven consecutive nights, anchored by one phrase. Here is what t…

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A Prayer for Sensitive Souls: Open Without Being Overwhelmed
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A Prayer for Sensitive Souls: Open Without Being Overwhelmed

Two minutes, one breath, and a short prayer for people who feel everything. Here is what Tony Samara's "A Little Prayer" asks for, line by l…

10 min read

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