Transcript
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[0:12] >> Hey everybody, welcome back to the
[0:15] Quantumistic podcast. I'm Lisa Campion
[0:17] I'm here with my dear friend Bestie and
[0:20] co-founder of the Quantum Mystic School
[0:22] of Consciousness, the lovely and amazing
[0:23] Jane Bear.
[0:25] Um, today we're talking about something
[0:26] that I don't know. This is something
[0:28] that comes up for me on a fairly regular
[0:31] basis.
[0:32] >> [snorts]
[0:32] >> Like how like
[0:34] you know, how do we get challenged when
[0:37] our higher self is pulling us higher
[0:39] into our mission and our personal self
[0:42] maybe like
[0:44] not so happy about that or if you're
[0:46] anything like me it might be like
[0:48] your inner child sitting in the corner
[0:50] sucking your thumb while your higher
[0:51] self is like we're going to do it and my
[0:53] and the inner child's like no, don't
[0:54] make me do it. And there's I think we
[0:57] all have these two parts, right? Our
[0:59] personal self, the egoic self, the inner
[1:01] child that would be super happy to stay
[1:03] right where things are known, inside the
[1:05] comfort zone. For me like that's on the
[1:08] couch with my dog and my cat you know,
[1:11] watching the the British baking show
[1:13] >> [laughter]
[1:13] >> and living in a kind of routine that
[1:15] never asks us to do anything new. And
[1:18] it's not that we're lazy or you know,
[1:21] that we don't want the risk, it's just
[1:23] that
[1:24] that comfort zone is comfort to that
[1:27] part of us.
[1:29] And our higher self is on a completely
[1:30] different page. It has a different
[1:32] agenda about where your life should go
[1:33] and it's always sort of pushing us into
[1:36] the unknown. That's where the growth is.
[1:38] That's where all the good stuff is.
[1:40] Um, and I I don't know. I think we just
[1:42] wanted to talk about this tension that
[1:45] this conflict that we feel, most of us I
[1:48] think feel are aware of that. Um
[1:51] why
[1:52] forcing your inner child like dragging
[1:54] your inner child but
[1:56] back backwards through the hedge to
[1:57] force yourself to do that really doesn't
[1:59] work. That backfires. And why it works
[2:02] so much better to take that sort of you
[2:05] know, younger part of you by the hand,
[2:07] comfort them, settle your nervous
[2:09] system, you know, we're going to talk
[2:10] about nervous system regulation, line up
[2:12] your support networks, and then that
[2:14] sort of gives us kind of the air under
[2:16] our wings to stretch into new territory.
[2:19] So, we're going to talk about how to
[2:21] tell when fear is really protecting you.
[2:24] And that's stuff we need to pay
[2:25] attention attention to versus when we're
[2:28] just resisting change or feeling super
[2:32] resistant to come out of the comfort
[2:34] zone. So, if you've been feeling that
[2:36] pull towards something new while another
[2:39] part is digging in its heels, this is
[2:41] the right conversation.
[2:42] Um and Gina, I'd love I'd love to hear
[2:44] what you think about this.
[2:46] >> Oh, it's such a great juicy conversation
[2:49] that I feel like even we can have
[2:51] reminders about. Um everybody can have
[2:53] reminders about. And if you're joining
[2:55] us, hello. It feels like it's been a
[2:57] minute um being here live and
[3:00] happy to have you all joining us. If you
[3:04] are joining us live, please say hi, join
[3:07] the conversation, let us know what you
[3:08] think about this, let us know where
[3:10] you're um listening in from um cuz we
[3:12] just love it so much. And already
[3:15] Melanie will just say perfect talk for
[3:18] this moment. Hiding feels so good until
[3:20] it doesn't. Yes.
[3:22] And you know, something that you said
[3:24] Lisa which is worth like
[3:27] ex- just reiterating is that it's like
[3:31] the universe actually
[3:33] um
[3:34] exists and moves in this way of
[3:36] expansion and contraction or
[3:38] integration, you know, and so here we
[3:41] are these these like sweet human bodies
[3:46] >> [laughter]
[3:46] >> experiencing life doing that same work.
[3:50] Um and you know, the personality and the
[3:52] higher self are they're not enemies.
[3:54] They're absolutely working together um,
[3:58] in the in the way that we create, in
[4:01] creation. Um, but they just have
[4:02] different jobs, you know?
[4:04] I think the the protective system is
[4:08] survival and we really need that. It's
[4:10] super important uh, mechanism. And
[4:14] survive with survival is predictability.
[4:16] We we're like measuring predictability.
[4:18] We're looking for predictability.
[4:21] Um,
[4:21] and that actually adds to the like
[4:25] the moments where we need integration,
[4:27] but the higher self job is evolution.
[4:30] You know, it actually measures by
[4:31] expansion. And neither one is wrong.
[4:34] They're just, you know, running
[4:36] differently and and I think it's like
[4:39] really useful mechanisms. Both are
[4:41] really useful mechanisms.
[4:43] Fundamentally important to being human
[4:46] and alive. Um, but you know, it's just
[4:50] learning that when
[4:53] what is what and what's happening when
[4:55] and it's like if we're
[4:58] you know, on the couch
[5:00] with our cats
[5:02] >> [laughter]
[5:03] >> and our tea, it's not necessarily
[5:07] laziness. It's like our brain is
[5:10] literally trying to save fuel. And I do
[5:12] think that that is integration,
[5:14] personally.
[5:18] >> Yeah, I mean, I it's so it's sort of
[5:21] like the gas and the brake. You know
[5:22] what I mean? You know, and if you're
[5:24] going to get anywhere in your car, you
[5:25] need the gap one foot, you know, there's
[5:27] times when we need to step on the gas
[5:28] and there times when we need the brake.
[5:30] So, I love seeing that as kind of
[5:32] finding the balance and I think the
[5:34] problem comes when we get stuck or
[5:36] jammed in one thing, you know, like we
[5:38] get too in the comfort zone and then
[5:41] we're not evolving, moving forward.
[5:44] Um, we feel stuck in life. And honestly,
[5:46] in all the years that I've been working
[5:47] as a psychic,
[5:49] the two the two biggest questions that
[5:51] people ask me are
[5:53] I feel stuck and I don't know how to get
[5:54] out or their foot is on the gas and
[5:57] they're sort of in a crisis, you know?
[5:59] Cuz sometimes the expansion can
[6:01] you know, unsettle us, right? So, it
[6:03] feels like a crisis or an opportunity.
[6:05] And I think
[6:08] yeah, like
[6:10] if you're in the
[6:11] acceleration and you know, throwing
[6:13] yourself off balance, we need the brake.
[6:15] And if we're too
[6:17] um
[6:18] too stuck, we need to put our foot on
[6:20] the gas. So, I think it's how do we find
[6:22] that balance? What do you think, Jane?
[6:25] >> Yeah, I feel like
[6:27] you know, being able to listen to what
[6:30] it is I I go back to what lights us up.
[6:34] What is it that sparks
[6:37] um enjoyment and excitement. And I
[6:42] Joseph Campbell,
[6:44] he's
[6:45] he talks about the hero's journey and
[6:47] there's like this call to adventure.
[6:49] >> Yeah.
[6:50] >> And and then but then there's after that
[6:52] it's followed by the refusal of the
[6:53] call.
[6:54] >> Right. [laughter]
[6:55] >> And it's like a bit it's a built-in
[6:57] stage.
[6:58] >> Yeah.
[6:59] >> And every mythic hero hesitates. And so,
[7:02] there's like and the universe kind of I
[7:04] don't know, we can
[7:06] I don't want to get too far into
[7:07] manifestation because that's there's
[7:09] like a lot of mechanisms that go into
[7:11] that, but sometimes we get in our own
[7:13] way of like the call to adventure, oh my
[7:17] gosh, here it is. I'm so lit up by this,
[7:20] but then that like either the inner
[7:21] child or the part of us that's that's,
[7:24] you know, sabotaging um
[7:27] stops the whole the whole train. Um and
[7:31] but I feel like
[7:34] first, starting with that um
[7:38] what lights us up and then making a line
[7:40] to action steps towards that is a good
[7:43] place to know when to put on the the
[7:45] gas.
[7:47] >> Yeah, that's that's really good. I like
[7:49] this concept of um productive
[7:51] discomfort. You know, like we can move
[7:55] for put our foot on the gas and it's
[7:57] going to be a little uncomfortable, but
[7:59] it it's productive. Like there's sort of
[8:01] like a growth
[8:03] um
[8:04] my personal feeling is if if I'm sort of
[8:06] not working that edge of my own growth,
[8:10] I I don't really feel as alive. I feel
[8:12] more alive for some energy, more passion
[8:14] in my life if I'm skating that edge. And
[8:17] it's it's always moving, you know, it's
[8:19] it's not a
[8:21] stable target, but I I can tell I'm sort
[8:24] of doing it for right a minute if I'm in
[8:26] this productive discomfort feeling. Like
[8:28] it's a slightly uncomfortable, but I
[8:30] know I'm growing a lot and you know,
[8:33] you know, that's sort of the bull's-eye
[8:35] that I aim for.
[8:37] >> Yeah, I think the higher self
[8:39] um speaks to us uh like the signs that
[8:43] it speaks to us is
[8:44] um like the you know, old things feel
[8:48] kind of small, like shoes you've
[8:50] outgrown. There's like restlessness or
[8:53] low-grade boredom. Um like what you were
[8:55] talking about, these wanting like being
[8:57] on the edge. Um you know, the same
[9:00] opportunity or theme keeps showing up
[9:02] but in different directions.
[9:04] I think
[9:05] um
[9:07] sometimes it's like
[9:09] there's a yes, the body says yes, but
[9:12] it's immediately followed by like a but
[9:15] >> [laughter]
[9:16] >> or you I don't know.
[9:18] And I think that that's that same hero's
[9:20] journey. Um or or like, you know, for me
[9:25] a lot of times and the
[9:27] the like energy that rises in and you
[9:30] can imagine this new thing or whatever
[9:32] it is and then it's followed by like
[9:35] some fear, you know. And I think we we
[9:37] have to just get used to that get
[9:39] comfortable with that and not thinking
[9:42] that there's something wrong or oh gosh,
[9:44] I shouldn't actually do it.
[9:46] Um
[9:47] and
[9:48] it's it's it's like this little
[9:50] persistent
[9:51] um you know
[9:54] um we can we can track that.
[9:57] >> Right.
[9:57] >> Yeah, and it's like this if there's this
[10:00] persistent tapping like we we should
[10:02] follow that. That's the higher self
[10:03] talking.
[10:04] Um
[10:06] >> Right through intuition, through signs
[10:08] and omens, through like, you know, um
[10:11] our gut feeling, what's in our heart.
[10:13] And I was just interested in what Happy
[10:15] Yodeler is saying here about you know,
[10:18] not um
[10:20] finding the finding not finding meaning,
[10:22] you know, and asking for
[10:25] um guidance from the outside. And I do
[10:27] think we get guidance from the outside.
[10:28] It's So it's for me it's kind of like
[10:31] guidance from other people, from signs
[10:34] and omens, from where I feel inspired.
[10:35] Inspiration is a for me a big key like
[10:38] what I
[10:39] what I read, what I feel drawn to
[10:42] studying or looking at, who I feel
[10:44] inspired by. There's some clues there,
[10:46] but I think it's also an inner journey.
[10:48] Like we have to go
[10:50] find the answer to that on the inside.
[10:53] So I think if you don't know what your
[10:55] purpose is, it's looking at it's some
[10:58] inner looking, looking on the inside.
[11:00] And like what like what you said, Jane,
[11:01] looking for what lights you up.
[11:03] You know.
[11:04] >> Yeah, cuz sometimes going back to Happy
[11:06] Yodeler specifically, I've asked a lot
[11:08] of questions to the universe. Um
[11:11] sometimes the universe is asking is is
[11:14] wanting us to just make a step, make a
[11:17] choice. It doesn't matter the choice.
[11:19] Just make a step in a direction
[11:22] um because
[11:24] universal law of free will. Um and and
[11:27] then the guidance will come. I don't I
[11:30] feel like that's that's often
[11:33] um when we're working with with trying
[11:35] to navigate you know
[11:38] and so I suppose and I'm not saying that
[11:40] this is this is what happy other
[11:42] yodelers doing but like we don't sit we
[11:45] don't want to sit and just ask a
[11:46] question but like sit stagnant cuz
[11:49] that's actually that's kind of that fear
[11:51] and that inner child waiting to be told
[11:53] what to do.
[11:54] >> Yeah.
[11:55] >> Um but it just doesn't work that way. We
[11:56] need to actually make a step even if
[11:59] it's a wrong move wrong quote unquote
[12:01] wrong. There's never going to be a wrong
[12:03] move. It's like just going to align us
[12:06] more towards again hopefully we can get
[12:09] into in touch with what it is that
[12:11] lights us up and we need to explore
[12:13] that.
[12:14] You know, that our lives are all our
[12:16] entire lives are about exploring what
[12:19] lights us up.
[12:21] >> Right. Yeah, and and like I said it's
[12:23] like a moving target and I think
[12:25] sometimes you know, when we go through
[12:28] um like the sort of those like blank
[12:29] stages of life, you know, like you have
[12:32] a total you come out of college and you
[12:35] you're just fresh and you don't know,
[12:37] you know, what to do or you have a total
[12:39] life makeover. You know, those life
[12:40] crash and burn moments where your life
[12:42] just like default
[12:44] you get divorced, you lose your job,
[12:46] you're like back you know,
[12:48] um and that happens to me like if after
[12:51] a big growth cycle. Like I don't feel
[12:52] like the same person I was. So it's I
[12:56] don't know what the next thing is until
[12:57] maybe I try a little bit, right? We
[12:59] don't know whether it's for us we have
[13:01] to try it on for size and see see if it
[13:03] still fits how it feels when we do that
[13:06] and I think that's your point of
[13:08] taking a step, right? You take a step
[13:10] and you see how it feels. Does that feel
[13:12] like the right direction? Does that
[13:14] get energized me? I think a lot for me
[13:17] it's about what brings me life force
[13:19] energy. What energizes me? What
[13:21] um
[13:22] and I I know there many times where I
[13:24] just I'm like on fire about something
[13:27] that I'm doing and you know, spring out
[13:29] of bed at 5:00 in the morning cuz I
[13:31] can't wait to
[13:32] for me it's usually creative projects
[13:34] that um bring me there.
[13:36] Um but I like what Happy Yodeler was
[13:39] saying is, you know,
[13:41] seeing the world around and can't ignore
[13:44] the suffering of myself and others.
[13:46] Well, that's a calling in a way. So,
[13:48] maybe the calling in that case is to be
[13:50] of service, right? Cuz I think a lot of
[13:52] us
[13:53] old souls, empaths, healer types
[13:56] part of our mission is about how we can
[13:59] serve. We're asking ourselves
[14:01] how do we have impact? How do we have
[14:03] How can we help? How can we make the
[14:04] world a better place?
[14:06] Um you know, for for us being here in a
[14:10] kind of a measurable way and I think
[14:11] that that's often what the higher self
[14:13] is guiding us to to kind of a personal
[14:16] expression of who we are, like through
[14:18] something creative,
[14:19] and how can we be of service?
[14:22] >> I think that's a great That's a great um
[14:26] explanation and and advice.
[14:30] Um I think, you know, that that's great
[14:33] for everybody to
[14:35] to be able to see like, yeah, we're
[14:37] we're all There's a lot There is a lot
[14:39] of suffering. Um
[14:42] I don't know if there's more suffering
[14:43] now than there has been in in all of
[14:45] humanity. I don't know, but I know that
[14:48] we're all connected to it more and
[14:51] especially if you're tapped into like
[14:53] the collective consciousness, it can
[14:55] feel
[14:56] really, really um not only exhausting,
[15:00] but just like
[15:02] it can stop us in our tracks, you know,
[15:05] and it can also really poke
[15:08] and [clears throat]
[15:10] and glare at our inner child who doesn't
[15:13] want to deal with all of the suffering
[15:15] and doesn't know how to, frankly.
[15:17] Um and so that inner child, that that
[15:21] part of us, that personality is going to
[15:24] dig in and and dig its heels and say
[15:27] like
[15:29] you know, I don't want to suffer. This
[15:31] this is too much. Um but it's really
[15:34] understanding
[15:36] that at this point if you're listening
[15:38] you're probably in your a phase of being
[15:41] an adult and knowing like hey, we can
[15:44] talk to we can talk to those the our
[15:47] inner child. We can say like you've done
[15:49] a great job keep like um
[15:52] keeping me alive and and through
[15:55] whatever it is that we've survived. And
[15:58] it's not we're it's it's not our enemy.
[16:01] It's like this is our this has been our
[16:04] bodyguard through um
[16:06] so many things and it's still working um
[16:10] it's still it's still working now
[16:11] possibly, but it's like an old outdated
[16:15] job. Um
[16:17] and so
[16:18] understanding and becoming
[16:21] friends with, you know, um being in
[16:24] relationship with who is the one that's
[16:27] digging their heels in and who's the one
[16:28] who's having like a really really hard
[16:30] time right now. And know if uh is that
[16:35] is that part of me protecting me?
[16:37] Um or is it is it fear that's keeping me
[16:41] like right on the edge of expansion.
[16:44] There [clears throat] is a difference.
[16:45] It feels it does I think it feels really
[16:47] different.
[16:48] >> I do too. And I think it feels like fear
[16:50] is just like that nervous system like
[16:53] nervous system
[16:54] um response where you know, it just
[16:57] short-circuits everything and all you
[16:59] can do is like at that point is regulate
[17:02] cuz it's never good to make decisions
[17:03] when you're disregulated. We can't feel
[17:05] ourselves. We don't know what to do.
[17:06] It's like, you know, it's like pulling
[17:08] the emergency stop on the train, right?
[17:10] Everything needs to then your prime
[17:13] directive is regulation. So you can go
[17:16] back to feeling who you are, feeling
[17:19] what's happening inside. And for me,
[17:21] like I've had this commitment since I've
[17:23] been doing inner child work for so long
[17:25] and
[17:26] um super excited cuz I'm in the middle
[17:29] of book launching my book Sacred Re
[17:31] parenting's coming out in on December
[17:33] 1st. Woohoo. And um so this is a topic
[17:37] that, you know, is really on my mind
[17:39] right now, but I have sort of a motto
[17:42] that I live by and it's like no no inner
[17:44] child left behind. Like
[17:46] I'm never going to um I'm never going to
[17:48] make a decision that leaves my inner
[17:50] child behind. I and anytime I feel that
[17:52] inner child really
[17:54] acting up, it's like I stop everything
[17:57] that I'm doing if I can and my prime
[18:00] prime um
[18:02] you know, directive is to take care of
[18:04] that part of myself, to regulate, to
[18:06] emotionally regulate, nervous system
[18:07] regulate, to attend to myself. I don't
[18:10] override that anymore. Unless, you know,
[18:12] sometimes you're you have to cuz you're
[18:15] in the middle of the PTO meeting or in
[18:17] the middle of a whatever session or
[18:19] whatever you're doing, but as soon as I
[18:21] have a minute, I go back to that. And
[18:24] that has given me like a lot of sort of
[18:26] money in the bank with my inner child.
[18:29] So, a lot of trust, a lot of
[18:31] a foundation so that I can go ahead and
[18:34] do take bigger risks or make more
[18:37] quantum leaps because I know I'm not I'm
[18:40] never going to make a choice that harms
[18:42] that part of myself.
[18:43] It's like my primary commitment.
[18:46] >> That's beautiful. Yeah, and it's a it's
[18:48] a practice, everybody. It's like
[18:50] everything that we do here is a practice
[18:53] and we get every time we do it,
[18:56] um we get a little bit better and just
[18:58] like you're saying, it's like putting,
[19:00] you know, pennies in the savings account
[19:02] and just going back to like being able
[19:04] to distinguish within ourselves. I feel
[19:07] like protective fear
[19:09] often feels like like a clear clean no.
[19:12] It's like we're pulling back. Sometimes
[19:14] we feel nauseous. There's like a sense
[19:16] of wrongness, you know? Where growth
[19:19] fear often feels like it's like
[19:21] activation with
[19:23] maybe some aliveness underneath, you
[19:25] know?
[19:25] >> Productive discomfort.
[19:26] >> That's what you're saying. Yeah.
[19:29] There's like butterflies plus excitement
[19:31] feeling. It's like nervous-cited.
[19:33] >> Yeah, nervous-cited. That's a good word.
[19:35] >> Yes, my one of my friends calls it
[19:36] nervous-cited, too.
[19:37] >> Nervous-cited. It's [laughter] such a
[19:39] So, physiologically, fear and excitement
[19:41] are nearly identical arousal states, but
[19:43] the difference is interpretation and
[19:45] whether there's like a sense of capacity
[19:48] on the other side.
[19:49] >> Mhm.
[19:50] >> You know? And so, just this is about
[19:52] knowing ourselves on a deeper level.
[19:54] Um and and it's and if we have this
[19:58] ability to be curious, like we would be
[20:02] curious with a 3-year-old or a
[20:05] 4-year-old or 5-year-old, like, oh,
[20:07] they're they're curious, let's be
[20:08] curious with them. They're curious about
[20:10] the world, let's be curious about
[20:11] ourselves. Um and we can kind of
[20:14] navigate this without
[20:16] kind of sinking into
[20:18] um
[20:19] I don't know, the suffering and
[20:20] disparity of it all [laughter]
[20:23] that comes at times.
[20:24] >> I know, and and I think too, for me it's
[20:26] sort of a day-by-day thing. Like,
[20:29] there's some days where I wake up and I
[20:30] just feel strong and regulated and it's
[20:33] easy to take the steps forward and other
[20:35] days that I wake up and I'm wobbly and
[20:37] I'm like, I just need extra care or I
[20:40] just it's not a good day to make a
[20:41] decision or like it isn't going to be a
[20:44] couch
[20:45] cat nap day, you know? Like
[20:49] Um and and to feel like that's sort of
[20:51] attunement. It's like self-attunement,
[20:53] right? Um
[20:55] so important because it's you know, to
[20:57] be flexible, to be aware of what's
[21:00] happening with a non-judgmental. Like, I
[21:03] don't if I need a couch day, I need a
[21:04] couch day and I don't judge and I see
[21:07] the benefit of those times, you know,
[21:10] and and you said this already, Jane, is
[21:12] it sort of integration, right? Because
[21:14] we grow It's like climbing stairs. We
[21:17] take a step up, and then we have a flat
[21:19] a flat time, and we have to integrate
[21:21] what we learn. Then we take another step
[21:23] up, and then we integrate. We take
[21:24] another step up. If we don't do that, we
[21:27] can climb at a level that
[21:29] throws us out of balance. It puts
[21:31] precipitates a crisis or, you know, a
[21:34] breakdown of some kind. And that there's
[21:37] no underestimating the importance of
[21:40] that integration cycle.
[21:42] Um and and I think that process is how
[21:44] we expand our capacity, right? So, as
[21:47] we, you know, you make the challenge,
[21:49] you integrate. You make the challenge,
[21:51] you integrate. And over time, that
[21:53] expands our capacity for life, for life
[21:57] force energy, to receive, to give, all
[22:00] of the things, you know, that we do. And
[22:03] um like that's happening for me in my
[22:04] life right now is a a lot of
[22:08] all the lessons are around expanding my
[22:10] capacity to
[22:12] to receive all kinds of things, you
[22:13] know. Um
[22:15] and I I stretch, and then I need to
[22:17] settle. I need to like take that
[22:20] the tread of the step for a little
[22:22] minute before the next one. So, I don't,
[22:24] you know, blow a gasket, you know, drop
[22:26] an O-ring out of my nervous system like
[22:28] kind of cuz you can if you don't honor
[22:30] the integration cycle. And I think
[22:32] sometimes in our fast-forward society,
[22:35] kind of our do do do society, there's
[22:37] sort of judgment or you feel bad if
[22:39] you're in that integration cycle. You
[22:41] feel like you should be doing something.
[22:43] And really, it's sort of a state of
[22:45] being that we cultivate when we're in
[22:47] there, right? That's super necessary.
[22:50] >> Super necessary. And you think about it
[22:52] like we're all these pyramids. I mean,
[22:55] it's we have to build out the base, and
[22:57] then we have to build out the next
[22:59] level. And there's the only way to do
[23:01] that is with time and integration.
[23:03] Otherwise, the whole thing is going to
[23:05] be built like, you know, the leaning
[23:07] tower of Pisa. It's going to fall over.
[23:09] >> Yeah.
[23:09] >> None of us want that.
[23:10] >> None of us want that.
[23:11] >> So, leaning into that beingness, that
[23:15] time of beingness, knowing it's just a
[23:17] time. Um and the difference between, you
[23:21] know, uh continuing that time and expa-
[23:27] extending it longer and longer and
[23:28] longer to the point where it's actually
[23:30] keeping us in in a limited space. You
[23:34] know, we don't we don't want to do that
[23:35] either cuz
[23:37] expansion
[23:39] is our birthright. The universe wants us
[23:41] to expand, wants us to have more. It's
[23:45] It's It's just part of the design of
[23:47] being human.
[23:48] >> 100%.
[23:49] >> Um
[23:49] but it's also important like we can't
[23:51] bully ourselves into expansion.
[23:54] Uh you you can bully yourself into an
[23:56] experience, but the body is going to
[23:58] like sort it and file it under under I'm
[24:02] never doing that again,
[24:03] you know? And so, it's important to um
[24:07] you know,
[24:09] be kind with ourselves and understand
[24:11] like there's a there's a there's a big
[24:14] listening game here.
[24:16] Um
[24:17] and and we're sort of we're working with
[24:19] both the the personality or the inner
[24:22] child or both and the higher self and
[24:26] we're bringing both of them along, you
[24:27] know, we're holding both their
[24:29] both [clears throat] their hands.
[24:30] >> [laughter]
[24:31] >> I love that and I something you said um
[24:34] sort of inspired me to think about what
[24:36] if we upgraded our version of being of
[24:40] integration. So,
[24:42] can we make it richer? Like and maybe
[24:46] that's you get off the couch. I mean,
[24:49] you know, a Netflix although I'm not I'm
[24:52] not saying there's anything wrong with
[24:53] that, but what if sort of like a richer
[24:55] version of that expansion of that of
[24:58] that integration time.
[25:00] Um maybe it's meditation or journaling
[25:03] or creative projects or playing having
[25:05] fun. I also never under- underestimate
[25:07] the power of play.
[25:09] You know,
[25:10] and creativity. Um so maybe there's
[25:13] richer ways you can do that.
[25:16] Right?
[25:16] >> Absolutely.
[25:17] >> You know, that are more you know,
[25:19] life-giving and more feeding that part
[25:21] of us that wants the state of being cuz
[25:24] there's different levels and qualities
[25:26] of the states of being, right? Can we
[25:27] upgrade
[25:28] >> Yeah.
[25:29] >> that state of being to the juiciest we
[25:31] can get, right?
[25:33] >> Absolutely.
[25:34] >> What about that?
[25:35] >> I love that.
[25:36] I love that.
[25:38] Yeah, and I think that, you know, it's
[25:40] really important it's it is a really
[25:43] important thing to to mention that play
[25:46] and creativity, if we're creating, let's
[25:48] just say, it doesn't really matter.
[25:50] We're we're like beading or we're
[25:53] painting or we're playing music or
[25:56] >> We're dancing.
[25:57] >> You know, it's very different than
[26:00] um
[26:01] than it like intaking more information,
[26:05] which could be nothing wrong with books,
[26:07] nothing wrong with Netflix, but like
[26:09] that's actually bringing in more
[26:11] information into our minds to then need
[26:15] to process.
[26:16] Um so they're very different things, you
[26:19] know?
[26:19] >> Yeah.
[26:19] >> And I'm not saying don't don't Netflix.
[26:22] I'm just saying like notice when that
[26:25] becomes almost like a an escape. Um and
[26:29] our nervous system is going to do a
[26:31] completely different thing and be able
[26:33] to do that integration and build out
[26:35] that integration process. If we sit, for
[26:38] me, it's sitting and doing right now
[26:41] watercolor
[26:42] and drawing. Like that's that's the
[26:45] thing for me that's going to just like
[26:48] sink me in and and regulate, you know,
[26:52] and build that capacity um
[26:56] through that practice. And so,
[26:59] you know, find again, finding out what
[27:01] is for us. I know for Lisa, that's
[27:03] dancing.
[27:04] >> Yeah, it's more physical things really,
[27:06] like walking, dancing. I do like
[27:08] puzzles. I do like puzzles. Um
[27:11] gardening, like I like a sort of
[27:13] physical
[27:13] >> Gardening, yeah.
[27:14] >> Yeah, the physical aspect of it, but I
[27:16] I'm also, you know, I write novels in my
[27:18] spare time.
[27:19] >> [laughter]
[27:20] >> And all my spare time.
[27:22] It's nuts, but I do. And so, that sort
[27:24] of creative and that is so nourishing,
[27:26] so so
[27:27] soul nourishing for me.
[27:29] Um and that's kind of new. Like, you
[27:32] know, that's new as of this summer that
[27:34] I started doing that, writing novels in
[27:35] my spare time. I think I'm nuts, but
[27:37] it's really fun for me.
[27:38] >> It's creative.
[27:39] >> Yeah. Yeah. So,
[27:41] anyway, such a good conversation and if
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[27:46] things we talk about, I just want to put
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[27:50] Mystic School of Consciousness. This is
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[28:21] for the December 1st book launch. Stay
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[28:29] >> Everybody's so excited. It's going to be
[28:31] a good one. I know these these
[28:33] conversations are are
[28:35] are going to be all all in there and
[28:38] it's going to be I we're all looking
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[28:43] Um
[28:43] and thank, you know, thank you everybody
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