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Can AI Ever Be Funny? Comedy, Connection and Crowd Work

Sam Harris
Sam Harris
Oct 30, 2026
9 min di lettura

Da Sam Harris

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Two men sit down to talk, and the first thing one of them does is apologize for the speed of his own voice. Jimmy Carr, the British comedian whose stand-up has played venues in more than 50 countries, is the guest. Sam Harris, the host, admits he has been listening to Carr's material for a long time but is hearing him at regular speed for the first time. Carr says he is simply "neurologically impaired" when it comes to fast talking, and the joke lands. What follows is a wide-ranging conversation that starts with Carr's book on the craft of joke writing and moves toward a harder question: if a machine can now produce text that sounds like wit, what is comedy actually for? Carr's answer, pressed through the early stretch of the talk, is that laughter is a byproduct of something more basic, which is people connecting with one another in a room.

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Why did a comedian say our culture made a huge error?

Carr's book, written with co-authors Amanda Baker and Abby Grant, is framed by Harris as a close dissection of how jokes are built, one that many aspiring comics would have wanted two decades ago. Carr pushes back on the idea that it is only a dissection. "Hopefully it's more than just a dissection," he says. "The idea of the book is really to get more people involved. The idea is to kind of throw the rope ladder down and to help people up." (Sam Harris conversation, 3:04)

From there he widens the frame into a critique of how modern societies organize creative life. His argument runs from village to city. In the village, everyone sang, everyone spoke in public, everyone danced. Then people moved to cities, specialized, and started buying tickets to watch the specialists. "We're in awe of how great they are," Carr says, and the result is a culture of spectators. The fix he proposes is a shift in self-image: "the opposite of a spectator is not a professional, it's a participant." He also reclaims a word that has drifted into faint condescension. "An amateur is somebody who actually loves the thing."

That distinction is the spine of the whole conversation. Carr is not asking people to become professional comics. He is asking them to stop treating creative expression as something that only counts if it earns money.

Should comedy be taught in schools?

Carr says plainly that he thinks it should. He is careful, though, to argue for comedy as a training ground for ordinary life rather than a route into the entertainment business. Writing a joke forces you to write down your thoughts, order them, and then deliver them to other people. Most of that work is invisible on stage, he notes, because comedians "make it look as if we're making it up as we go along." The actual labor happens at a desk, and the skills transfer to any form of public speaking.

He ties this to a familiar line from Thoreau, that most men live lives of quiet desperation and go to the grave with the song still in them. "Most people never get to hear their own authentic voice," Carr says, "and I want that for more people." It is a striking thing for a stand-up with a Netflix deal to say, and it reframes comedy as a discipline of self-expression rather than a showcase for talent.

The clearest analogy he offers comes from music. If you can play a couple of chords on a guitar, the next time you see Oasis live you will hear the lead guitar with new ears. You can see how good it is because you have tried the thing yourself. Carr applies the same logic to comedy: five minutes in front of a club audience will make you appreciate professionals far more than any amount of watching will.

"When you dig deeper, the question is, how can I make money doing comedy? You go, I don't know about that, but I know that you could do it." (Jimmy Carr, Sam Harris conversation, 3:55)

Carr connects that instinct to a critique he attributes to Mark Fisher, the idea of capitalist ontology, in which every question eventually reduces to whether it can be monetized. In his telling, that reflex is why people ask how to "get into comedy" when they really mean how to earn a living from it.

What does a room of 30 people teach a joke writer?

Carr is blunt about the limits of writing alone. He describes how the audience becomes the editor. "An audience can be kind of as small as 30 people," he says, "and they'll tell you with the reliability with which they tell you what's funny and what isn't." (Sam Harris conversation, 5:38)

His process is humbling by design. He writes material, tries it on stage, and watches the room respond with laughter, silence or a rewrite nobody asked for. "I write the jokes but I don't write the show," he says. Jokes that fail do not get repaired so much as abandoned. "I prefer to just start again," he says, "write another one and then they tell you kind of what the show is going to be."

That gives the craft an empirical streak. A joke is not finished when the writer likes it. It is finished when a particular room, on a particular night, agrees that it is funny. The audience is not a tribunal to be impressed; it is the other half of the work.

What is crowd work actually for?

Harris presses on the most provocative part of Carr's act: his willingness to bring audience members into the show, and to let them take a little of the spotlight. Harris asks whether Carr's audiences feel attacked, and whether the old version of heckling still exists. Carr separates two things that people often confuse. Someone shouting something abusive in the middle of a joke is one phenomenon. Audience members joining in is another.

He reaches for a musical image to explain the second. "It's much more like saying there's a singalong section in the chorus of the Bruce Springsteen song," he says. The point is shared participation. Interactions with the crowd are not designed to disrupt. "They're not disrupting at all," Carr says. "And even if they are, it's with a sense of service to the evening."

The skill he describes is improvisational. A performer has to take a hit, respond, and keep the larger shape of the evening intact. "They could win," Carr says of audience members who get the better of an exchange, "as long as we all know that we're in service of this larger thing." That is the discipline of crowd work: the joke is not about dominating the room, but about making the room feel that it is part of the show.

Will AI ever be funny, and what can it not do?

The title of the video asks the question directly, and the conversation approaches it from two directions. Harris opens with a riff on how humans have invented the gods they wanted: "I don't think we were made in God's image, but I think we so wanted there to be a God, we created one in our image." (Sam Harris conversation, 0:00) From there, he and Carr talk about a series of humiliations for human self-regard. We are not the center of the universe, we are no different from animals, we are not in charge of our own minds, and now, Harris says, "we're not the smartest thing in the room." Carr's response is characteristically light: "It's another humiliation."

On the narrower question of comedy, the most useful thing Carr says is about what machines cannot supply. "As AI becomes more important, I think the things that it cannot do become more important," he says. "So being more human, connecting to other people." (Sam Harris conversation, 5:12) He then makes a distinction that organizes his whole view of the art form: "The approximate reason for comedy is laughter. But the ultimate reason is connection."

This is worth sitting with. The excerpt does not settle whether a machine can generate a sharp line. What it offers is a theory of purpose. If laughter is a signal that people are connecting, then a joke that generates laughter without any shared human moment is missing its reason for existing. A joke produced without a room, a risk, or a live audience to correct it may be a clever sentence. It is not yet comedy in Carr's sense.

The full conversation, as the video description notes, ranges well beyond comedy into cancel culture, attention and meditation, psychedelics, Italy's years of lead, immigration and unrest in Europe, Britain's economic decline, nuclear power, and the case for educating for character. The early exchange is the part that most directly addresses the title, and its argument is consistent: as machines take over more of the work we once did, the human parts of creative life, the singing in the village, the risk of the live room and the reliability of a crowd's verdict, become the things worth protecting.

Where to go from here

If the conversation has you thinking about writing or performing, start with Carr's book on the craft of joke writing, which he co-wrote with Amanda Baker and Abby Grant. Read it as a structural study, but also as Carr intends it: an invitation to participate. Then try the experiment he describes. Write a few jokes, tell them to a friend, and watch what happens. If you want to hear the complete discussion, including the sections on psychedelics, nuclear power and character education, the full episode is available through Sam Harris's subscription and channel membership options. Carr's own tour dates for 2027 and 2028 and his website, jimmycarr.com, are the best places to see what he is working on next.

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[0:00] I don't think we were made in God's

[0:01] image, but I think we so wanted there to

[0:04] be a God, we created one in our image.

[0:06] I'll describe something to you. It's all

[0:07] powerful, all knowing, uh, can perform

[0:10] miracles and lives in a cloud. We're not

[0:11] the center of the universe.

[0:13] >> We're not the We're no different to the

[0:14] animals. We're not even in charge of our

[0:17] um minds. And now we're not the smartest

[0:19] thing in the room.

[0:20] >> It's another humiliation.

[0:22] >> Well, I I love what you've done with the

[0:24] outfit today. I love it's [laughter]

[0:25] it's really Yeah, it's

[0:27] >> likewise. Yeah. Back at you.

[0:28] >> Yeah. the Rick Jay School of Fashion.

[0:30] >> Well, at least one of us dressed as a

[0:31] grown-up.

[0:32] >> Yes, I'm dressed appropriately. Um,

[0:34] obviously, obviously, this is my first

[0:36] time meeting you, but I've listened to

[0:37] the show um uh religiously.

[0:40] >> I hope you don't find that.

[0:42] >> No, not at all.

[0:42] >> Um, but this is my first time hearing

[0:44] you at regular speed. [laughter]

[0:48] >> My condolences voice at regular speed.

[0:51] >> This is going to be a challenge for

[0:52] >> Oh, this is going to be Try to stay.

[0:54] >> This is going to be a long couple of

[0:55] hours. [laughter] It's a You've got a

[0:57] beautiful voice. longest two hours of

[0:59] your life. Yeah.

[1:00] >> Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm told that I, you

[1:02] know, I'm often on, you know, 2.0 or

[1:04] faster for some people. I mean, I'm a

[1:06] I'm a genuine slow talker,

[1:07] >> but you you seem to speak in like I

[1:09] mean, a lot of people I can speak in

[1:10] full sentences.

[1:11] >> It's not word salad, but you speak in

[1:13] full paragraphs.

[1:14] >> Well, I have more time. I'm a slow

[1:16] speaker,

[1:16] >> obviously. Yes. It's just taking my

[1:18] time.

[1:18] >> Yeah. [laughter] It's it's basically you

[1:21] [clears throat] are the linguistic

[1:22] equivalent of Neo in the Matrix. just

[1:25] you've slowed down time so you can dodge

[1:27] the bullets because

[1:28] >> Yeah. But it's somehow less impressive

[1:30] for all that. [laughter]

[1:32] >> Yeah. I mean the truth is I I mean I

[1:34] feel like I'm just neurologically

[1:36] impaired. I I could not speak as fast as

[1:39] you do or I mean there are people like

[1:41] you know Ben Shapiro who are just you

[1:42] know speaking twice literally twice as

[1:45] fast as I do. But even if you gave me my

[1:47] lines and I rehearsed them I can't

[1:50] actually speak as fast as you could

[1:53] naturally speak. Right. So yeah,

[1:56] >> like my mouth just will not comply. Is

[1:58] it like a circus act that I can't

[2:00] perform?

[2:01] >> Okay. Well, I think if you're

[2:03] neurologically impaired, we're all in

[2:04] trouble.

[2:04] >> Okay. Where should we begin? What should

[2:06] we talk about?

[2:07] >> Yeah. Well, Jimmy Carr, let me just

[2:08] introduce you and thank you for being

[2:10] here. It's great to actually finally

[2:12] meet you in person.

[2:13] >> Oh, well, thank you very much.

[2:15] >> I'm a uh I'm a fan of um kind of both

[2:19] sides of your composite. like I want to

[2:21] talk to you about, you [clears throat]

[2:22] know, your standup and and how you

[2:24] approach it. And you have this this new

[2:26] book on jokes, which you wrote with um

[2:28] two co-authors, um Amanda Baker and Abby

[2:32] Grant. And uh

[2:33] >> it's a you know, it's this great study

[2:35] of comedy that I think many aspiring

[2:38] funny people wish they had 20 years ago.

[2:40] I mean, I think it's it's very uh um

[2:43] it's be very useful for people because

[2:45] um you actually you just you analyze the

[2:47] structure of what's funny in a way

[2:49] that's very digestible and you basically

[2:51] doing postmortems on on many example

[2:54] jokes and uh it's a it's a good read.

[2:57] >> Well, hopefully it's more than just a um

[3:00] a dissection. The idea of the book is

[3:02] really to get more people involved. The

[3:04] idea is to kind of throw the rope ladder

[3:06] down and to help people up because

[3:08] >> I think we made a huge error in our

[3:11] culture.

[3:11] >> Like I'm talking like on a on a big

[3:13] scale. Yeah. When we moved from the

[3:14] villages to the cities,

[3:16] >> everyone used to be in a choir and

[3:18] everyone used to speak and everyone used

[3:21] to dance

[3:22] >> and then we move to the cities and

[3:24] everyone specializes and we have

[3:25] ballerinas and we have the opera and we

[3:28] have these specialists and we go and we

[3:29] watch them and it's we're in awe of how

[3:32] great they are. Yeah.

[3:33] >> And we're not the opposite of a

[3:35] spectator is not a professional, it's a

[3:37] participant.

[3:39] >> I get asked a lot

[3:40] >> or an amateur. An amateur is somebody

[3:41] who actually loves the the thing.

[3:43] >> Yeah. You can't And it's also that thing

[3:45] of like I I I think it's Mark Fischer's

[3:47] point of like um capitalist ontology.

[3:50] Everything's about like, well, can I

[3:51] make money doing this? People ask me,

[3:53] how do I get into comedy? And really,

[3:55] when you dig deeper, the question is,

[3:56] how can I make money doing comedy? You

[3:58] go, I don't know about that, but I know

[4:00] that you could do it. I know that

[4:02] [snorts] you could do five minutes in a

[4:04] club and you would enjoy it so much

[4:06] more. In the same way, it's very

[4:07] analogous to music comedy. Like if you

[4:09] can play the guitar even just a little

[4:10] bit, play a couple of chords, then the

[4:12] next time you go and see Oasis Live, you

[4:14] are so much more impressed by Nol's

[4:16] playing because you go, you can see how

[4:18] good this is,

[4:19] >> right?

[4:19] >> And I think comedy should be taught. I

[4:22] think it should be taught in schools

[4:23] because

[4:23] >> well the point you make in the book is

[4:25] that it's just so

[4:27] uh valuable in context that have nothing

[4:30] to do with aspiring to be a stand-up. I

[4:32] mean it's just like public speaking

[4:34] about anything, you know,

[4:35] >> but you're but first of all you're

[4:36] writing down and ordering your thoughts,

[4:37] right? So the the stage no one thinks

[4:39] about with comedy because we sort of

[4:40] make it look as if we're making it up as

[4:42] we go along. sitting down, writing down,

[4:45] ordering your thoughts, and then being

[4:47] able to communicate those to other

[4:48] people, and getting up and speaking in

[4:50] front of other people, getting getting

[4:52] over that. You know, it's that it's that

[4:54] um thorough um most men uh live lives of

[4:58] quiet desperation and go to the grave

[5:00] with the song still in their hearts.

[5:02] Like, most people never get to hear

[5:04] their own authentic voice. M

[5:07] >> and I want that for more people. I think

[5:09] as as our culture

[5:12] shifts and changes, I think as AI

[5:14] becomes more important, I think the

[5:16] things that it cannot do become more

[5:19] important. Uh so being more human,

[5:21] connecting to other people. I thought my

[5:23] job for years was the approximate reason

[5:24] for my job. The approximate reason for

[5:26] comedy is laughter. But the ultimate

[5:28] reason is connection,

[5:29] >> right? are connecting to other people

[5:31] and and people coming out in large

[5:33] groups

[5:34] >> or small groups like 50 people in a

[5:35] room. An audience is can be kind of as

[5:38] small as 30 people and they'll tell you

[5:40] with the the reliability with which they

[5:43] tell you what's funny and what isn't.

[5:45] >> And and it's humbling like I write the

[5:47] jokes but I don't write the show. The

[5:48] jokes you you kind of write them and

[5:50] then you try them and the audience go no

[5:52] or change it or write another one. I I

[5:55] prefer to just start again. write

[5:56] another one and then they tell you kind

[5:58] of what the show is going to be

[6:00] >> and it's, you know, it's obviously my

[6:02] audience are fairly they're uh it's

[6:05] self- selecting.

[6:05] >> Yeah. They know what they're coming for.

[6:07] >> Well, no one's offended at my show

[6:08] anymore cuz being offended at my show is

[6:10] like being, you know, scared.

[6:11] >> Is that the case? Because like you Well,

[6:13] first of all, you seem you invite

[6:14] hecklers. I mean, that's part of your

[6:16] your uh your approach. I mean, you do a

[6:19] lot of crowd work. Um, but um,

[6:21] >> well, I think I think there's a big

[6:22] difference between someone, you know,

[6:24] shouting something uh, abusive in the

[6:26] middle of a joke and [snorts] audience

[6:28] members joining in. I I would I would

[6:31] sort of say that my audience

[6:33] interactions, it's much more like saying

[6:34] there's a singalong section,

[6:36] >> right,

[6:36] >> in the chorus of the Bruce Springsteen

[6:38] song.

[6:38] >> So, they're not real hecklers. They're

[6:39] not trying to disrupt.

[6:40] >> They're not disrupting at all. And even

[6:42] if they are, it's with a sense of

[6:43] service to the evening. So, they could

[6:45] win. That's absolutely fine if they win

[6:47] as long as we all know that we're in

[6:49] service of this larger thing. We're kind

[6:51] of connecting and we can you have to be

[6:52] able to kind of take a joke and and

[6:54] thinking on your feet being able to kind

[6:56] of perform that um

[6:58] >> that trick.

[6:59] >> Yeah.

[6:59] >> It's because I think what does comedy do

[7:02] for society? Like you know the Overton

[7:04] window in politics, the most leftwing,

[7:06] the most right-wing thing you could say

[7:07] at a polite party, right? So, and that

[7:09] has shifted massively recently.

[7:11] >> Yeah.

[7:11] >> But I think there's a conversational

[7:13] Overton window. There's a there's an

[7:15] idea of a what the magic of comedy maybe

[7:19] happens the day afterwards with your

[7:21] partner with your um where you can talk

[7:23] about things a bit more freely. You have

[7:24] a you're more open to it. I think it

[7:27] we're

[7:28] >> Yeah. I mean, the thing was said, the

[7:30] thing's been said already by the comic,

[7:32] and it's it's the fact that you all

[7:34] laughed proved that it was within the

[7:37] boundary of this, whether even if it's a

[7:39] new boundary, like you've discovered the

[7:41] boundary.

[7:41] >> What Lenny Bruce did and then George

[7:43] Carlin and um Richard Prior, the idea

[7:46] people talking about their lives, their

[7:48] their personal lives in that way made us

[7:51] feel all a little bit more human because

[7:53] we all went, "Oh, we Oh, yeah. uh you

[7:56] know that that lovely line of uh not

[7:57] that I'm in any way suggesting I might

[7:59] be but in the work of genius we see our

[8:01] own neglected thoughts.

[8:03] >> I think it's often the way of like

[8:04] >> Seinfeld will do a bit and I'll go

[8:07] >> I've seen that a hundred times. How did

[8:09] I not see that? It's my job to see that

[8:10] and I didn't see that and it's so

[8:12] pleasing to us. The the haha moment is

[8:15] so close aha moment. I think it's

[8:18] cardaman. I think it's system one to

[8:20] system two thinking.

[8:22] >> Your brain is designed to not think.

[8:24] Your brain is designed to avoid thinking

[8:26] and see patterns. And so we go from

[8:28] system one thinking, you've read that,

[8:30] thinking fast and slowly. The idea of

[8:31] going it's 2 plus 2als 4 driving the

[8:33] car. Yeah. Think about that. It's easy,

[8:35] right? It's just it's not thinking.

[8:37] >> But if I ask you a complex maths

[8:39] problem, divide 13 by whatever it is. Um

[8:42] you have to actually think and really

[8:44] thinking is you're rewarded for it.

[8:48] jokes are Freud called them pleasure

[8:50] bribes

[8:51] >> to think um forbidden thoughts. I love

[8:54] that idea that you're you're kind of

[8:56] pushing people's boundaries and also

[8:58] you're sort of showing where the

[8:59] boundary is like you're crossing the

[9:00] line.

[9:01] >> Yeah. Well, I want to talk about the

[9:02] kind the ethics of all this but um I

[9:04] mean you mentioned AI. It seems that you

[9:06] are

[9:07] uh as AI proof as anyone can be because

[9:11] again so much of the value you're

[9:13] offering is bringing people together in

[9:16] the real world to laugh, right? Like

[9:18] like it's it's part of the the the the

[9:20] collective experience is

[9:23] >> I believe they say it's you laugh 30

[9:24] times more when you are with other

[9:27] people

[9:27] >> than on your own. Even at the funniest

[9:29] stuff you could imagine, your favorite

[9:30] show, but watching on your own. in the

[9:33] Christmas

[9:36] because the shows of Christmas are any

[9:37] better,

[9:39] but it's

[9:43] that experience of like the other

[9:45] mistake we made. We gathered around the

[9:47] fire and we spoke

[9:48] >> and then we gathered around the

[9:49] wireless. We listened to the radio as a

[9:51] family and then we gathered around the

[9:52] TV and we watched whatever was on. Like

[9:54] when I was growing up, we watched like

[9:57] everything. We watched

[9:58] >> it's a way of socializing. It's a very

[10:00] it's a it's a completely low stakes

[10:03] frictionfree way to Yeah. It's a thing

[10:05] you're you're reacting to. Yeah.

[10:07] >> Yeah. And then and then social media

[10:08] came along and suddenly we're siloed.

[10:12] >> And it's it's it's a it's a poison on

[10:14] our we are social creatures. We have a

[10:16] dispersed identity and there's a sense

[10:19] in which people now feel sealed off.

[10:22] >> Yeah. Yeah,

[10:23] >> if you think about the the ancient

[10:25] cultures, people were much more porous

[10:28] in terms of they, you know, spirits and

[10:30] uh beliefs and, you know, you could be

[10:32] possessed or whatever. And now people

[10:34] think of themselves as kind of

[10:35] hermetically sealed and not with a

[10:37] dispersed identity. I like to

[10:39] >> uh you know, I think the the AI thing,

[10:42] there's different visions of this,

[10:43] aren't there? There's a

[10:44] >> it feels like history really is

[10:46] repeating.

[10:47] >> It feels like this is the Manhattan

[10:49] Project

[10:50] >> once again. I mean, there's a there's a

[10:52] there's kind of a a rumor. I mean,

[10:54] they're pushing through at such speed.

[10:57] >> Yeah. Yeah. Although the Manhattan

[10:58] Project, you you can't really imagine

[11:00] that moving forward if every time you

[11:02] asked one of the principles, you know,

[11:04] Leo Zard or or Edward Teller or

[11:07] Oppenheimer, etc. Uh what's the chance

[11:10] you're going to ignite the atmosphere

[11:12] and kill everyone? And they were putting

[11:13] the probability at 10% or 20% or 30%.

[11:16] You can't imagine them moving forward,

[11:18] right? But that's the situation we're in

[11:20] with AI. It's like you ask you ask the

[11:21] principles who are actually doing the

[11:22] work. No one I mean with with with the

[11:26] exception of someone like Jensen Hang um

[11:29] and he's not you know he's not actually

[11:31] doing the work of you know building the

[11:32] models. He's just selling the chips. Um

[11:35] no none of them say the chance of

[11:38] catastrophic outcome is one in a million

[11:41] or one in 10 million. That's just not a

[11:44] sentence any of them have spoken.

[11:45] >> It's a very odd thing. I think it's the

[11:47] for me so my my view on AI is quite sort

[11:51] of spiritual in a way.

[11:52] >> I I don't think we were made in God's

[11:54] image,

[11:55] >> but I think we so wanted there to be a

[11:57] God. We created one in our image.

[11:59] >> So

[12:00] >> we I'll describe something to you. It's

[12:02] all powerful, all knowing, uh can

[12:04] perform miracles and lives in a cloud.

[12:07] >> Yeah.

[12:07] >> Well, there you go. It's and it's the

[12:09] idea that we go we are worshiping these

[12:12] things like there's there's a phone now

[12:14] asks for four hours a day and we give it

[12:17] our offering and we get a like

[12:21] >> and the like is uh it's the digital

[12:23] amen. Who's whose line is that? It's um

[12:25] Bong Hun I can never pronounce his name

[12:28] but he's a brilliant philosopher um

[12:29] writes these brilliant short books but

[12:31] the digital amen is such a great like

[12:33] it's it becomes like

[12:35] >> a religion because people are giving it

[12:37] their attention. Mhm.

[12:38] >> And for me AI is impressive,

[12:42] >> but you know that thing of the fourth

[12:43] humiliation.

[12:45] >> No.

[12:45] >> So there's been three three humiliations

[12:48] of men. Capernacus Capernicus Freud

[12:52] >> and then AI. We're so we're not the

[12:54] center of the universe.

[12:55] >> We're not the we're no different to the

[12:57] animals. We're not even in charge of our

[12:59] um minds. And now we're not the smartest

[13:02] thing in the room.

[13:03] >> It's another humiliation. Is the future

[13:05] going to be Star Trek because of this or

[13:08] Star Wars?

[13:08] >> Although, ironically, this humiliation

[13:10] is if the thesis in your book is correct

[13:14] and comedy is a craft that is teachable,

[13:17] it should be teachable to the the LLMs

[13:20] and we should at some point get

[13:22] superhuman funny,

[13:24] >> but they won't know what's funny because

[13:26] they won't know how to laugh. It's the

[13:28] connection. It's a it's a two-way piece

[13:30] of communication. I think I'm with

[13:32] McGillchrist on the AI thing. I think

[13:35] you know that the

[13:36] >> I actually haven't heard what he said

[13:37] about it.

[13:37] >> Well, I I don't know if he said this,

[13:38] but I think it's I think it's implicit

[13:40] in the mastering chemistry. The idea

[13:42] that um AI is is leftbrain activity. It

[13:47] can do um leftbrain complicated things

[13:51] incredibly well, but it cannot do

[13:53] rightrain gestalt tasks at all. Just

[13:57] give it time. I mean you you'd have to

[13:59] have some argument as to in principle

[14:01] why what the right brain is doing is

[14:05] right isn't substrate independent.

[14:07] >> Well, okay. So the the the heavy lift

[14:10] the complicated stuff is easy

[14:13] >> and the easy stuff is hard, right?

[14:15] That's that's the broadly speaking we

[14:17] get there is 4,000 years old. Yeah.

[14:20] Okay. And walking and folding your shirt

[14:22] can't be done by AI because that's 40

[14:24] million years old. So, it won't get to

[14:26] that in a hurry now.

[14:29] >> But will it get to that? That's

[14:30] >> But will it get to that? Well, well,

[14:31] sure it'll get to that. We've we've been

[14:33] here before. There's been the Manhattan

[14:35] Project. We created something

[14:37] >> um that can destroy the world.

[14:40] >> Yeah.

[14:40] >> Um you know,

[14:43] uh and we've lived with it for 80 years

[14:46] now.

[14:47] >> Yeah. And basically forgotten about it.

[14:48] I mean, most of us most of the time have

[14:50] have just forgotten that this

[14:51] >> Well, who wrote that incredible book

[14:52] about I think you had her on here. the

[14:54] incredible book about

[14:55] >> No, Annie Jacobson.

[14:56] >> She wrote the one about I didn't have

[14:58] her on the pandemic thing recently. The

[15:00] same

[15:00] >> I want to have her on. She's written two

[15:02] terrifying books.

[15:03] >> I mean, really properly terrifying. I've

[15:05] had other worried people to talk about

[15:07] nuclear.

[15:07] >> Maybe this should be the Halloween

[15:08] episode. You get her on to talk about

[15:10] those two books because never mind

[15:11] Freddy Krueger. Those are scary books.

[15:14] >> Death by ice or death by fire. Yeah.

[15:15] >> Yeah. But but that thing of like going

[15:17] um the the idea humanity has always been

[15:21] on the brink of these things, right? we

[15:22] we push ourselves forward and there's

[15:25] religious analogies in large language

[15:27] models to towers of Babel and the idea

[15:30] that we're

[15:32] >> history is sort of

[15:35] cyclical. We're going through this.

[15:38] We're going through something now. It's

[15:39] undeniable.

[15:40] >> The cycles might be four hours long at

[15:41] this point. I mean, it's like there's an

[15:43] acceleration that is undeniable in terms

[15:46] of cultural change and technological

[15:48] change.

[15:48] >> Well, it does feel like that point that

[15:50] someone made about if if Watergate

[15:52] happened today or Bill Clinton and

[15:53] Monica Lewinsky. I mean, it might get 48

[15:55] hours. I don't think Monica Lewinsky

[15:57] would last 48 hours in a news cycle now.

[15:59] There's other stuff going on. It's just

[16:02] >> the first time I noticed that it just

[16:05] truly indelibly was when we had the the

[16:07] largest mass shooting in American

[16:09] history in Vegas.

[16:11] >> And it it left the news cycle in like 48

[16:15] hours. I mean, I don't even I don't even

[16:16] remember the shooter's name. This is a

[16:18] measure of just how

[16:19] >> good memory that was.

[16:20] >> I really do like that New Zealand thing

[16:22] where they don't name the shooter.

[16:23] >> Yeah.

[16:24] >> I love that. I think that's that's very

[16:25] smart because I think a lot of

[16:26] >> times I know they named the shooter but

[16:28] just it just we never figured out his

[16:29] motive and we moved on to what whatever

[16:32] Trump said next and it was gone. It was

[16:34] just well that thing with the okay is

[16:38] Trump contingent or convergent? So I

[16:42] read a lot of that Neil H the fourth

[16:43] turning

[16:44] >> book I really like which is kind of a re

[16:46] um a rehash of Viko

[16:49] >> uh which is kind of the basis for

[16:50] Finnegan's wake.

[16:51] >> Yeah. Well, I'm I'm a little allergic to

[16:53] these notions of history having a this

[16:56] hidden structure, but I mean it's a

[16:58] little bit like a

[16:59] >> I like the I like that.

[17:00] >> I mean, I just simpifiable in some way.

[17:04] >> Well, yeah, it is unfalsifiable, but you

[17:05] go we've been through very very tough

[17:07] times before. Okay. And there's the uh

[17:10] end of history um delusion. We all think

[17:13] we're living in the end of times

[17:15] [clears throat]

[17:15] >> and maybe this time is different.

[17:16] >> Somebody's going to be right. Yeah.

[17:19] Well, are they or is this the beginning

[17:21] of infinity? Are we going to get

[17:23] through?

[17:24] >> Well, in either case, it's this it's an

[17:25] inflection point unlike an inflection

[17:27] point 500 years ago where you know you

[17:30] one person couldn't destroy the lives of

[17:32] millions in in the same way. It's like

[17:34] like we're living in a world now where

[17:37] >> it's it's not only conceivable but

[17:39] foreseeable that you know somebody the

[17:41] wrong technology in the hands of some

[17:43] malicious person can create a

[17:45] civilizational problem. thinking about

[17:46] the things in like we're choosing what

[17:48] to think about, right? So, if you point

[17:50] our attention at broken arrows, right?

[17:52] These are missing nuclear warheads of

[17:55] which I think America has six

[17:57] >> and the former Soviet Union has.

[18:00] >> Yeah, we don't know.

[18:01] >> Well, they some submarines went down and

[18:03] and uh presumably we know where they

[18:05] are, but they the warheads weren't

[18:07] recovering

[18:07] >> presumably. Sure. I'll just go and check

[18:09] with my people. I mean, no

[18:10] [clears throat] one knows. And you we've

[18:11] chosen just not to worry about that

[18:13] thing.

[18:14] >> Yeah. We've chosen not to be concerned

[18:15] with that and we're concerned with this

[18:16] now. So, we're focusing our attention

[18:18] and saying, "Well, this could be the

[18:20] problem." But I think the thing about

[18:21] black swan events is they're black swan

[18:23] events. You you you know that that tell

[18:26] I love the idea that it's going to be a

[18:28] surprise. Whatever happens next, no one

[18:30] really saw COVID h coming. No one saw

[18:34] the pandemic coming. People had said,

[18:36] "Oh, a pandemic can

[18:37] >> Well, we we knew a pandemic was

[18:39] guaranteed to come." I mean, that's just

[18:41] that's just a you keep rolling the same

[18:43] die again and again, you're going to get

[18:45] every conceivable number. And and uh we

[18:48] know that, you know, this is having

[18:51] nothing to do with human engineered

[18:53] pandemics, which is an additional

[18:55] problem.

[18:55] >> But the idea

[18:57] >> gain of function research.

[18:59] >> Oh, yeah.

[18:59] >> Just I mean, insanity looking for a gas

[19:01] leak with a lit match. It's just like

[19:04] the the madness that that would in

[19:06] anyone would think, oh, that's a good

[19:07] idea. But when they when they you know

[19:09] wiped out polio and they kept some you

[19:11] go who's in charge of this what are you

[19:14] thinking

[19:15] >> well keeping like again they're kind of

[19:17] gradations to the stupidity you can see

[19:19] how viologists got there in

[19:23] in their first steps like I mean just

[19:26] going into caves looking for bats that

[19:28] are carrying something that that has

[19:30] pandemic properties and you think you're

[19:33] sort of getting ahead of the problem

[19:34] right like like somebody analogized this

[19:37] to you know putting wanted posters out

[19:39] for, you know, the most dangerous

[19:40] criminals, right? Like like we want to

[19:42] figure out what the risks are so that we

[19:44] can understand them. But now that we can

[19:46] spin up a vaccine, now we can we can

[19:48] sequence a whole genome in, you know,

[19:51] less than 24 hours and spin up a vaccine

[19:53] in a weekend. Uh the the the the head

[19:56] start is a is is is nothing now. We

[19:58] don't need a head start. And we

[19:59] certainly don't need to be grabbing

[20:00] these viruses, working with them,

[20:02] improving them, and then spilling them

[20:04] on our

[20:05] >> becomes it becomes a weapon. It becomes

[20:08] a you know, so that thing of like will

[20:10] AI be like a will it take away the

[20:13] drudgery? Will we look back and say,

[20:15] well, you know, work in the same way we

[20:17] look back at slavery and go, "Oh my god,

[20:19] how do we let that happen? How do we let

[20:20] people toil?" 200 years ago, everyone

[20:23] worked on a farm effectively, right? 98%

[20:25] of the population worked in agriculture

[20:28] and we are the first people that have

[20:30] had to ask ourselves some questions

[20:33] right so um will I get married shall I

[20:37] have kids do I believe in God these are

[20:40] new questions for our culture there you

[20:44] know no wonder people are struggling

[20:46] because we've um privatized

[20:49] >> mental health problems we we've we've

[20:51] coded anxiety and depression as a

[20:54] personal failure

[20:55] rather than a structural problem, a

[20:57] collective action problem with the way

[20:59] that our society operates.

[21:01] >> And it strikes me that that's a uh a

[21:04] mistake. That's like we're actually are

[21:06] we arranging our society in a way that

[21:07] is conducive to people feeling good.

[21:11] Well, I think we've done both sides of

[21:13] this and and and and neither

[21:16] have been the proper correctives like so

[21:19] so on on the on the one hand, yes, we've

[21:21] uh we've privatized um mental health,

[21:25] but also we've we've destigmatized it

[21:28] significantly and even among young

[21:30] people, you have these bizarre social

[21:32] contagions where they're acquiring

[21:34] conditions that they think are fun to

[21:36] have. Like

[21:37] >> we've pathized perfectly normal human

[21:39] behavior. So

[21:40] >> and there's a cult of victimhood that

[21:41] gets

[21:42] >> Yeah. There's no such thing as worry

[21:43] anymore. It's anxiety. There's no such

[21:45] thing as sadness. It's depression

[21:46] >> and everyone has ADHD which is horrific

[21:50] because the people that actually have it

[21:51] can't get the resource that they need

[21:54] because everyone is complaining of the

[21:55] same thing. So it's like you

[21:57] >> or at one moment on TikTok there were

[21:59] people complaining of Tourette's, you

[22:00] know, or or or Tourette's.

[22:03] >> I naturally just swear a lot.

[22:04] >> Yeah. That's right.

[22:05] >> Yeah. Well, I want I want to talk about

[22:08] big picture issues and I I want to get

[22:10] your look on on what's happening to

[22:12] culture. You know, I mean, you travel so

[22:14] much. I I looked at your tour schedule.

[22:16] It's it's amazing with 50 countries now.

[22:19] I mean, you're a massochist or you're uh

[22:21] you're Jesus. I don't know how to

[22:23] understand how you're spending your

[22:24] time, but how many how many dates a year

[22:26] are you doing?

[22:27] >> Maybe 200 dates, maybe 300 shows cuz you

[22:31] do two a day, right?

[22:32] >> Incredible.

[22:33] >> Which one? I I don't know about that,

[22:34] but I I love it. I think I'm the hardest

[22:36] working man in comedy, which is like

[22:38] being the best looking guy in the Burns

[22:39] unit,

[22:40] >> right? It's like it's not really

[22:42] everyone else is doing nothing.

[22:43] >> Yeah.

[22:44] >> But it's the it's not like with my job,

[22:47] it's not about repetition. It's about

[22:48] iteration.

[22:49] >> So, it's about trying different things

[22:51] every night. Like you try new jokes, you

[22:53] try

[22:54] >> What percent would you say you're

[22:55] folding in new material each night?

[22:57] >> Like at the end of the show, I'll

[22:58] literally get out a piece of paper and

[22:59] mark off new jokes at every show. And

[23:03] some of those are like things you've

[23:04] tried a couple of times. You're like

[23:06] you're going, "Okay, that's ready. I can

[23:07] bank that for the next show." And some

[23:09] of them you're trying to reword or get

[23:10] right and see what the audience like.

[23:12] But it's it's really fun to do. And then

[23:14] sometimes it's the audience bits.

[23:15] Something comes out of that.

[23:16] >> Yeah. So I mean you're doing your

[23:19] routine which presumably you have worked

[23:21] out to to the word but then

[23:23] >> then you're inviting

[23:26] audience participation and you're doing

[23:28] crowd work which is a very different

[23:30] kind of highwire act. become very

[23:32] different because it was for years the

[23:35] heckling bit was just like heckle put

[23:37] downs and your mama jokes and it was it

[23:40] was very fun to do but now it's become

[23:43] something slightly different. I in the

[23:45] pandemic I wrote a book which was kind

[23:48] of an auto we sold it to the publisher

[23:50] as an autobiography and then we kind of

[23:52] under the wire we slipped in kind of a

[23:54] self-help book

[23:55] >> and it's been very rewarding because

[23:57] it's kind of I've kind of opened up a

[23:59] little bit more the last 5 years and

[24:01] started talking about authentically and

[24:03] I think it's resonated with um a certain

[24:06] cohort that you know want to talk and

[24:09] they'll kind of you know they'll ask me

[24:12] they they they kind of trust me a little

[24:13] bit

[24:14] >> I think that thing about

[24:15] >> well well so so but that's somewhat

[24:18] paradoxical because because you can be

[24:21] very mean too so like so where's the

[24:24] line here because you're you're very

[24:26] compassionate and I'm I'm thinking of um

[24:28] your crowd work in particular so you so

[24:30] you're you're responding to something

[24:33] that you're getting from the audience

[24:35] and you can go very hard against that

[24:37] person you mean making fun of the way

[24:39] they look and or you know making fun of

[24:40] the way their wife looks or I mean every

[24:42] permutation of that And yet

[24:46] you're you're successful. I mean, maybe

[24:49] there moments where this totally fails

[24:51] and you lose the audience, but from

[24:52] everything I've seen, you're keeping the

[24:54] audience on side and there's this

[24:56] understanding that you're actually a

[25:00] good guy and there's like you're not

[25:02] you're not actually trying to to hurt

[25:04] anybody and yet there's very like and so

[25:06] there's I'm just wondering how you bound

[25:08] this game so that everyone plays it and

[25:11] enjoys it or and I think it's what is it

[25:14] failure mode where you you say something

[25:15] which that you regret and someone is

[25:17] really offended or what happens?

[25:19] >> It's um it's friendship at scale

[25:23] >> is my job, right? So, you got that thing

[25:24] of going actually you can be really

[25:26] funny with someone and a bit scathing

[25:28] and take the piss out of them, but it's

[25:31] that's kind of what friends do. And

[25:33] there's an intimacy to that. And it's

[25:35] also what are we doing here? Well, we're

[25:38] having this is kind of a weird safe

[25:40] space. You're like a uh a Loki, like a

[25:44] like a trickster god. and the idea that

[25:46] you're allowed to say these unsayable

[25:48] things and we're all in this room where

[25:50] we're allowed to laugh at these things.

[25:52] So, it's a a filter. It's the it's the

[25:55] inoculation. It's it's looking at the

[25:58] stake on the staff,

[25:59] >> but but in a different context, it would

[26:01] just be mean, right? I mean, it might be

[26:03] funny, but it's still But a joke that is

[26:05] so fully at some person's expense is it

[26:10] can't it can't be exported to every

[26:12] other context, right? like some

[26:13] someone's coming there almost it's

[26:15] almost like a religious ritual where

[26:17] your audience is coming you're the

[26:19] priest uh and the audience is coming to

[26:23] have like they're granting their

[26:25] attention to you in a way that allows

[26:27] for a ritual of which would otherwise be

[26:31] a ritual of humili be a humiliation but

[26:34] here it's everyone is enjoying it

[26:36] >> yes so I think that thing about if you

[26:38] take away anything that could be

[26:39] offensive to anyone you are left with

[26:41] juggling and someone would complain that

[26:43] the balls are the wrong color. So you

[26:45] go, "Okay, so you can't." So you take

[26:46] that off the table to begin with. You

[26:47] just go, "Right, as long as I'm I'm an

[26:49] equal opportunities offender. As long as

[26:51] I'm hitting everyone fairly equally, it

[26:54] feels like you're not loading onto you

[26:56] don't have something that you're trying

[26:57] to push.

[26:58] >> Like it feels like they're just jokes.

[27:01] It's a it's a category error for you to

[27:04] say, "Hey, some sometimes your jokes

[27:06] aren't kind enough." No, no, no. I

[27:07] wasn't trying to be kind. I was trying

[27:09] to get massive laughs for a minute for

[27:11] two hours. That's what I was trying to

[27:13] do. And it worked. And the idea of

[27:16] going, if it's not kind enough, then you

[27:18] you're at the wrong kind of show. And

[27:20] yet you can have moments within that.

[27:24] It gets sharpened up when you're again

[27:26] your your your routine is what it is.

[27:29] And it can be, you know, very edgy,

[27:31] very, you know, quote offensive. Um, but

[27:35] when you're doing crowd work and you're

[27:37] talking to one person in the audience

[27:38] and so every so you have thousands of

[27:40] people's attention on an or an an

[27:42] ordinary civilian, right, that you're

[27:44] now talking to

[27:45] >> and you're commenting on the way he

[27:48] looks or the way she looks, right?

[27:50] >> Yeah.

[27:50] >> Um, it it's obvious to see how that

[27:54] could go wrong, right? Like I mean like

[27:55] it could just be too like have you ever

[27:57] have you ever done crowd work where you

[28:00] feel like you just objectively crossed

[28:02] the line and and you just felt bad about

[28:04] how that all went or apologized from the

[28:06] stage.

[28:07] >> There are worse things in war and one of

[28:10] them is believing there's nothing worth

[28:11] fighting for.

[28:13] >> And I think we're on track to be in a

[28:16] war. But are we pointing AI at the wrong

[28:18] thing? Leaders are going to come in now

[28:20] and they're going to to quote Thomas

[28:22] there's no solutions only trade-offs.

[28:24] [music]

[28:24] >> Yeah. They're going to say, "The world

[28:25] isn't safe. We're going to promise you

[28:27] safety, and all it's going to cost you

[28:30] is your freedom.

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In his conversation with Sam Harris, Carr does not deliver a simple yes or no on whether AI can produce a punchline. He argues instead that as AI becomes more important, the things it cannot do, especially connecting with other people, become more valuable. He frames laughter as a sign of connection, so a joke without a live human exchange is missing its deeper purpose.
Carr argues that modern culture turned people into spectators who watch specialists perform, while older village life had everyone singing, speaking and dancing. He says the opposite of a spectator is not a professional but a participant. He also describes an amateur as someone who genuinely loves the activity.
Carr says it should, though he frames the case around everyday skills rather than careers. Writing a joke means writing down your thoughts, ordering them, and delivering them to other people, which transfers to any form of public speaking. He also notes that the desk work behind stand-up is usually hidden because comedians make it look improvised.
Carr separates audience members who shout abusive remarks in the middle of a joke from audience members who join the show. He compares the second kind to a singalong section in the chorus of a Bruce Springsteen song. He says these interactions are meant to serve the evening rather than disrupt it.
Carr says an audience can be as small as 30 people and will still tell you reliably what is funny and what is not. He describes writing jokes, testing them on stage, and rewriting or starting over based on the room's response. He says the audience ultimately shapes what the show becomes.
Carr says the approximate reason for comedy is laughter, but the ultimate reason is connection between people. Laughter is the visible sign of a shared moment in a room. This is why he sees live, human exchange as central to comedy's value.
Carr's book is about the craft of joke writing, and it is co-written with Amanda Baker and Abby Grant. Sam Harris describes it as a close analysis of why jokes work, with postmortems of example jokes. Carr says he hopes it also invites more people to take part in comedy.

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