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[0:44] >> I offer my devoted salutations to Mother
[0:47] Durga
[0:48] who gives refuge,
[0:51] who is the consort of Shiva,
[0:54] who is compassionate towards us,
[0:56] who pervades the whole universe,
[0:59] whose form is the universe itself,
[1:03] whose lotus feet are adored by the whole
[1:06] world,
[1:07] and who carries us across this ocean of
[1:10] samsara.
[1:13] May Mother Durga protect us.
[1:19] Good morning everyone.
[1:23] >> [clears throat]
[1:24] >> Thank you Swami Parameshananda for
[1:26] introducing me.
[1:28] In fact,
[1:29] >> [clears throat]
[1:30] >> this was the second time I was
[1:31] introduced from this platform.
[1:34] So,
[1:35] I came here here I mean to this country
[1:39] in June 2025
[1:42] from India, that is from Belur Math.
[1:46] And
[1:48] I came to Trabuco for the July 4th
[1:51] celebration
[1:52] last year, 2025. And at that time, uh
[1:56] Swami Sarvadevananda, who is the
[1:58] minister of uh Vedanta Society of
[2:00] Southern California.
[2:02] He introduced me here um
[2:04] on that day.
[2:06] And I also spoke uh for a few minutes on
[2:09] that day.
[2:10] But after that, uh I did not get a
[2:12] chance to
[2:14] uh
[2:15] speak from this platform. So, I'm very
[2:18] glad uh to be here with you all.
[2:22] Uh according to our Hindu calendar,
[2:26] today is a very auspicious day.
[2:30] Those who perform Durga Puja in an image
[2:34] following all the
[2:36] uh scriptural injunctions,
[2:39] they begin their worship today.
[2:42] And the worship will continue for next 2
[2:46] days.
[2:47] And on the third day,
[2:49] the image will be immersed in water,
[2:53] maybe in in a lake or a river.
[2:59] That marks the conclusion of the this
[3:01] 4-day long annual worship of the divine
[3:04] mother Durga.
[3:06] So, this worship is one of the biggest
[3:10] festival of the year for the Bengali
[3:12] community
[3:13] uh wherever they are. So, they
[3:17] they perform this uh
[3:18] worship uh this annual Durga Puja.
[3:22] We worship Durga uh yesterday
[3:25] uh in our Vedanta temple in Santa
[3:27] Barbara.
[3:28] Uh we had a very nice worship. Uh many
[3:31] devotees came.
[3:33] It was a brief worship, of course,
[3:35] compared to the traditional 4-day
[3:37] worship. It was uh brief.
[3:39] And many of our devotees, they are also
[3:43] doing extra japa of Durga's name,
[3:47] uh
[3:48] Jai Shri Durga. So, this japa started on
[3:52] uh the 10th of this month and it will
[3:55] continue till the October 20th.
[4:01] Some of you also may be doing that extra
[4:03] Japa.
[4:06] They pledge. So, we circulate
[4:11] Google Form and they pledge how many how
[4:14] much Japa they will do each day.
[4:17] And accordingly they do that that much
[4:19] of Japa on all these 10 days which are
[4:22] considered very auspicious.
[4:24] >> [clears throat]
[4:25] >> So, this entire period, since it is
[4:28] devoted to Mother Durga and
[4:32] I decided to speak on our divine Mother
[4:36] uh this day.
[4:39] My talk today will have three parts.
[4:43] In the first part, I will discuss
[4:46] Sri Ramakrishna's teaching that Brahman
[4:50] and divine Mother are one and the
[4:53] one and the same.
[4:55] In the second part, we will analyze the
[4:59] the dreadful aspect of the divine
[5:01] Mother.
[5:03] In the last part,
[5:05] we'll focus on Sri Ramakrishna's
[5:08] intimate relationship with the divine
[5:11] Mother
[5:12] and the conclusion that we can draw from
[5:15] it.
[5:17] Mother Durga is one of the many forms of
[5:21] the divine Mother.
[5:24] The divine Mother is worshipped in many
[5:27] forms
[5:28] such as Kali,
[5:30] Lakshmi, Saraswati, Parvati,
[5:34] Chamundi, Jagaddhatri,
[5:39] Annapurna, so many forms.
[5:41] Uh
[5:42] probably there's more than 100 forms of
[5:46] divine Mother.
[5:48] But the basic philosophy behind these
[5:51] deities and the devotional attitudes
[5:54] towards them is more or less the same.
[5:58] Now, who is this divine mother?
[6:02] What is her place in our religion and
[6:05] philosophy?
[6:07] Let us begin with the Advaita Vedanta,
[6:11] the monistic tradition of the Vedanta,
[6:15] the monistic school. I'm sure you have
[6:18] heard many, many talks from this
[6:20] platform on Advaita Vedanta.
[6:24] According to this school,
[6:27] Brahman alone is the absolute reality.
[6:33] It is beyond name, form,
[6:36] thought, and all distinctions.
[6:39] It is
[6:40] pure being,
[6:43] consciousness,
[6:45] and bliss infinite,
[6:48] or Satchidananda,
[6:51] as it is called in Sanskrit.
[6:54] This entire world of phenomena,
[6:58] including all gods and goddesses,
[7:01] incarnations,
[7:03] everything belongs to empirical reality,
[7:06] according to this school.
[7:08] So, therefore,
[7:10] this this phenomenon of world is not
[7:14] absolutely real.
[7:18] But Sri Ramakrishna
[7:20] offers a
[7:22] a further way to understand the
[7:25] relationship between the absolute and
[7:28] this universe.
[7:32] He, of course, fully affirms the
[7:36] non-dual nature of Brahman,
[7:39] but he emphasizes that Brahman and
[7:44] Shakti are inseparable.
[7:48] Shakti means power,
[7:51] capacity, or potency.
[7:55] It is the power of Brahman to manifest,
[7:59] sustain, and withdraw this universe.
[8:06] In Sri Ramakrishna's words,
[8:08] when
[8:11] we look at Brahman, the ultimate
[8:13] reality, as the source, sustainer, and
[8:17] manifestation of this universe, we call
[8:20] it Shakti,
[8:22] the divine power.
[8:25] Through this power, the entire world
[8:28] comes into manifestation,
[8:30] including the nature, life, mind,
[8:35] thought,
[8:37] and everything else you can think of.
[8:39] Everything is manifestation
[8:41] through of this power, Shakti.
[8:45] But as I said,
[8:47] Brahman and Shakti are not two
[8:50] independent realities.
[8:53] They are the same reality viewed in two
[8:57] ways.
[8:59] Sri Ramakrishna gives the example of
[9:02] fire and its burning power.
[9:06] Just as fire cannot be separated from
[9:09] the burning power,
[9:12] Brahman cannot be thought as separate or
[9:16] apart from the power
[9:18] by which this universe appears.
[9:24] Just as fire and its burning power are
[9:27] not separate entities,
[9:30] just for our
[9:32] purpose of discussion, we gave them two
[9:35] different names, fire and burning power.
[9:39] But they are the same. Sri Ramakrishna
[9:41] gives another example.
[9:44] He says,
[9:45] "It is like snake and its wriggling
[9:48] movement.
[9:49] They are one.
[9:52] Snake and its the
[9:54] and its movement there are not two
[9:56] different things. There's something like
[9:58] snake and its movement.
[10:01] The distinction we make is only
[10:03] conceptual.
[10:06] Similarly, Sri Ramakrishna says this,
[10:08] Brahman and Shakti are one reality.
[10:13] When we consider the absolute without
[10:16] reference to this manifestation, we call
[10:19] it Brahman.
[10:21] When the same absolute is thought of as
[10:24] the power by which the universe is
[10:26] manifested, sustained, and withdrawn, we
[10:30] call it Shakti.
[10:33] Brahman cannot be conceived
[10:36] as devoid of Shakti,
[10:38] nor Shakti apart from Brahman.
[10:43] We give
[10:45] two names to the reality because we
[10:47] approach it from two standpoints, but
[10:50] the reality itself is one.
[10:53] In the Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna,
[10:56] we find an amusing um incident regarding
[11:00] this teaching.
[11:01] So,
[11:03] uh
[11:04] I'm sure you all have read, if not the
[11:07] entire, at least a portion of the
[11:09] Gospel, and you remember uh the
[11:11] character Hazra.
[11:14] So, uh
[11:16] whose stubbornness,
[11:18] self-importance,
[11:20] and constant arguing creates humorous
[11:23] situations in the Gospel. And at the
[11:25] same time,
[11:28] it brings out Sri Ramakrishna's wisdom
[11:30] and his playful side.
[11:34] This Hazra was one day
[11:37] uh listening to an account of the life
[11:40] of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu.
[11:43] Okay.
[11:44] And after listening, he told Sri
[11:46] Ramakrishna that see whatever we see in
[11:50] this Chaitanya's life, it is all the
[11:54] play of Shakti.
[11:56] Whereas Brahman has nothing to do with
[11:59] this.
[12:00] >> [laughter]
[12:01] >> Okay. So this was his
[12:03] stand.
[12:04] This of course this sharply contradicted
[12:07] Sri Ramakrishna's teaching.
[12:10] Sri Ramakrishna
[12:12] >> [clears throat]
[12:12] >> tried to make him understand, but this
[12:14] Hazra would not listen.
[12:16] And Sri Ramakrishna was so troubled by
[12:19] this attitude of Hazra that he prayed to
[12:22] divine mother.
[12:24] Mother, Hazra tries to upset the belief
[12:27] of this place, meaning himself.
[12:30] Either give him the right understanding
[12:33] or take him away from this place.
[12:37] Okay. And surprisingly, the very next
[12:40] day this Hazra came around. And he went
[12:44] to Sri Ramakrishna and told him,
[12:47] "I agree with you.
[12:48] Uh
[12:49] Vibhu Vibhu means the
[12:52] the all-pervading spirit. Vibhu exists
[12:55] everywhere. So this
[12:59] Hazra accepted.
[13:02] So when Sri Ramakrishna told this
[13:05] to his devotees, there was one
[13:07] Bhavanath. So Bhavanath was very much
[13:11] surprised. "Why is Sri Ramakrishna is
[13:13] taking the words of this Hazra so
[13:16] seriously?" So he asked Sri Ramakrishna,
[13:19] "Why were you so much troubled by these
[13:22] words of Hazra? You could have simply
[13:24] ignored him.
[13:26] Um or you could have tried to make him
[13:29] understand.
[13:30] So, So, Sri Ramakrishna tells that
[13:34] "See, nowadays, I am in a different more
[13:37] spiritual mood. And I can no longer get
[13:40] into arguments with anybody."
[13:43] >> [clears throat]
[13:43] >> So, that was Sri Ramakrishna's reply.
[13:46] Anyway,
[13:48] coming back to our subject, Sri
[13:50] Ramakrishna stressed that this Brahman
[13:53] and Shakti are
[13:55] one and the same.
[13:58] He did not stop there. He went further.
[14:02] See, philosophically, we can speak of
[14:05] Shakti.
[14:06] But spiritually,
[14:08] Sri Ramakrishna
[14:11] experienced Shakti as
[14:14] a living divine person,
[14:18] as divine mother,
[14:20] or Ma,
[14:22] as he would call her.
[14:25] And of all the different forms of the
[14:28] divine mother, Sri Ramakrishna
[14:32] was devoted to
[14:35] Kali. He adored Kali most.
[14:39] And for him, this Kali and Brahman
[14:44] were not two different.
[14:48] Brahman
[14:49] experienced in personal form was Kali.
[14:55] And he says, "My divine mother is the
[14:58] primal energy, the power of Brahman.
[15:05] That which has form,
[15:08] Kali obviously has a form,
[15:12] that again is without form.
[15:16] And that which has attributes,
[15:18] again has no attributes.
[15:22] So, he made no distinction between Kali
[15:26] and the absolute Brahman.
[15:31] Calling God Mother expresses something
[15:36] that the abstract term Brahman doesn't
[15:38] immediately convey.
[15:42] So, this idea he expressed in his famous
[15:46] statement in Bengali.
[15:49] Jini Brahma
[15:51] tini shakti tini ma.
[15:55] It means
[15:56] he who is Brahman
[15:59] is also shakti.
[16:01] He himself is the mother.
[16:05] This teaching
[16:07] is
[16:08] one of the most profound ideas in his
[16:12] entire
[16:14] uh
[16:16] collection of teachings in his gospel.
[16:19] It is repeated many times in that book.
[16:23] The Brahman the Jnani realizes
[16:27] the worshiper of uh
[16:29] the follower of the path of knowledge
[16:32] and the shakti the tantric worshiper
[16:35] adores
[16:37] and the mother
[16:39] the devotee loves
[16:41] are ultimately one reality.
[16:46] Shakti
[16:47] is that same reality understood as the
[16:50] power of manifestation
[16:52] and mother is the same reality
[16:55] encountered in a relationship of love.
[16:59] So, mother
[17:01] is none other than Brahman.
[17:05] And Sri Ramakrishna therefore used to
[17:07] say
[17:08] my mother is Brahmamayi.
[17:11] Mean meaning she who is the embodiment
[17:15] of Brahman.
[17:18] Sri Ramakrishna also said that this
[17:21] symbolism
[17:23] uh this this idea is pointed
[17:26] is represented in the symbolism of Kali.
[17:30] See, Kali
[17:32] stands on the bosom of Shiva
[17:35] who is lying on the ground like a
[17:38] corpse.
[17:40] Here, Shiva represents the actionless,
[17:44] attributeless Brahman.
[17:46] Whereas Kali represents the Shakti
[17:50] engaged in
[17:52] creation, preservation, and dissolution.
[17:57] See, this idea of this great synthesis,
[18:01] Sri Ramakrishna did not arrive
[18:05] just by philosophizing, okay? He
[18:10] He realized the truth of this teaching
[18:13] directly.
[18:17] We know that after he was appointed as
[18:20] the priest of the Kali temple in
[18:22] Dakshineswar and he began worshipping
[18:24] Kali,
[18:26] he gave his heart and soul
[18:28] to strive for the vision of the divine
[18:31] mother.
[18:33] Soon he had the vision of the mother
[18:36] and subsequently attained a state in
[18:38] which the divine mother became a living
[18:41] reality to him.
[18:44] Then came Totapuri, the teacher of
[18:48] Advaita Vedanta.
[18:50] He wanted to teach Sri Ramakrishna in
[18:54] Advaita Vedanta.
[18:55] And when he suggested this to Sri
[18:58] Ramakrishna,
[18:59] what did Sri Ramakrishna say? He said,
[19:03] "I don't know anything about it. My
[19:05] mother knows. If she permits, I can
[19:10] get initiated by you and follow your
[19:15] teaching.
[19:16] So, Totapuri said, "All right, you go
[19:18] and ask your mother." So, Totapuri
[19:21] he assumed Totapuri assumed that Sri
[19:23] Ramakrishna was referring to his
[19:25] mother, biological mother.
[19:28] But, what did Sri Ramakrishna do? Sri
[19:30] Ramakrishna just went straight to the
[19:32] temple.
[19:34] There he asked Mother Kali.
[19:37] And Mother Kali gave him the permission.
[19:40] And he came to Totapuri and said, "Yes,
[19:43] I have I have permission now.
[19:45] I will do as you
[19:47] wish me do."
[19:49] So, even when this Advaita Vedanta came
[19:53] knocking at his door, Sri Ramakrishna
[19:55] said that I must ask my mother.
[20:00] And then after following Totapuri's
[20:02] instructions, he realized the absolute
[20:05] and
[20:06] merged in Nirvikalpa Samadhi.
[20:09] But, after coming back from Nirvikalpa
[20:11] Samadhi, he continued his
[20:15] loving relationship with Divine Mother.
[20:19] So, this shows that Brahman and Kali
[20:22] were never
[20:24] two competing
[20:26] conceptions for Sri Ramakrishna.
[20:30] And
[20:31] this Divine Mother was more real to him
[20:36] than his earthly mother.
[20:39] He spoke to her, consulted her,
[20:42] complained to her,
[20:44] and surrendered everything to her.
[20:48] And something even more extraordinary
[20:50] thing happened.
[20:52] The man
[20:54] who worshipped the Divine Mother
[20:57] came to be seen
[20:59] by
[21:00] his own devotees as the Mother herself.
[21:06] This raises an important question.
[21:10] Then, is this Sri Ramakrishna is simply
[21:13] a great devotee of the divine mother?
[21:17] Or is there a deeper mystery there?
[21:22] Did the very reality
[21:24] whom he worshipped manifest through him?
[21:29] So, to explore this, we must look at
[21:32] what Sri Ramakrishna experienced, what
[21:35] he said about himself, and what the
[21:37] disciples
[21:39] saw in him.
[21:41] This we will see the last part of this
[21:43] talk.
[21:44] Now, let us see the the significance of
[21:48] looking upon God as mother.
[21:53] As I said, this entire universe has come
[21:57] into manifestation
[21:59] through the power of
[22:02] Shakti.
[22:04] In our ordinary life, we know
[22:08] mother gives birth to the child.
[22:12] So, it is very natural for us to think
[22:15] that
[22:16] that from which this entire universe has
[22:19] come into manifestation, including
[22:22] ourselves,
[22:23] that power is mother.
[22:26] So, it is very natural to call that
[22:28] power as mother.
[22:31] And mother emphasizes not just creation,
[22:35] but sustenance as well.
[22:38] We can imagine a creator God who creates
[22:42] the world and then stands apart from it.
[22:46] But motherhood suggests something much
[22:49] more intimate.
[22:51] The source remains intimately involved
[22:54] with what comes forth from it.
[22:58] After giving birth to the child,
[23:01] a human mother nourishes the child,
[23:04] protects it, teaches it, and cares for
[23:07] it.
[23:09] Consequently, when we look upon God as
[23:12] mother,
[23:14] this universe is no longer is thought of
[23:17] as something separate from
[23:21] or something abandoned by God, who is
[23:24] the creator of this.
[23:27] But we must remember
[23:29] that
[23:31] Brahman
[23:33] or this uh
[23:35] creator God
[23:37] is beyond the male and female
[23:40] principles.
[23:43] When we say this ultimate reality is
[23:46] mother,
[23:47] it is not saying that
[23:49] Brahman has a biological gender.
[23:53] For that matter, Sri Ramakrishna said
[23:56] that even Kali,
[23:58] apparently a female deity, was beyond
[24:02] the duality of male and female.
[24:05] He used to narrate an an very
[24:07] interesting story.
[24:10] A man
[24:11] uh
[24:12] was once surprised to see the image of
[24:15] Mother Kali
[24:18] with
[24:18] a sacred thread on it.
[24:22] See, among the Hindus, the sacred thread
[24:24] is worn only by
[24:27] men and not by women.
[24:30] So, even in the worship, only male
[24:33] deities are offered the sacred thread.
[24:37] Now, this person, when he saw
[24:40] a Kali image with a sacred thread, he
[24:42] was surprised.
[24:44] And he asked the worshiper,
[24:48] "What? You have put sacred thread on the
[24:52] image of Mother Kali?"
[24:56] Then this worshiper
[24:58] he replied,
[25:00] "Brother,
[25:02] I see that you have understood
[25:05] what mother is truly.
[25:08] But for me,
[25:10] I have not been able to find out whether
[25:12] she is male or female.
[25:15] So I have put sacred thread on her."
[25:19] So this shows that this worshiper
[25:23] believed that Kali was beyond male and
[25:26] female principles.
[25:29] So mother conception is not about the
[25:32] gender of God, but it is about how
[25:35] we devotees
[25:38] encounter and relate ourselves to her.
[25:43] You may ask why we should regard God in
[25:46] terms of these human relations, such as
[25:50] father or mother.
[25:52] Is it such an attitude absolutely
[25:55] essential?
[25:56] No.
[25:58] We don't have to regard God in terms of
[26:01] human relationship, such as father,
[26:03] mother,
[26:05] friend, [clears throat] or beloved.
[26:08] But for many people,
[26:10] it is an extraordinarily powerful way to
[26:14] make the idea of God
[26:17] spiritually immediate and
[26:19] transformative.
[26:21] The difficulty with words Brahman, God,
[26:25] Shakti is that they can remain abstract.
[26:30] One may say God is infinite, omniscient,
[26:34] omnipotent,
[26:36] and things like that.
[26:39] All of that may be philosophically
[26:40] correct, but it doesn't necessarily
[26:43] create a living relationship with God.
[26:47] We always want to forge relationship
[26:50] with
[26:51] uh with people, with our pets, and even
[26:55] with
[26:56] uh objects like our vehicles and
[26:58] furniture.
[27:00] So, we already know how to love, how to
[27:04] trust, how to depend upon, how to
[27:07] surrender to. All these things we know.
[27:11] So,
[27:12] the path of bhakti or devotion takes
[27:14] this natural capacity and directs them
[27:18] towards the divine.
[27:22] Now,
[27:24] granting that yes, a personal
[27:26] relationship is beneficial,
[27:28] why motherhood of God is emphasized? Why
[27:31] not fatherhood?
[27:35] In answer to this, we may point out some
[27:37] general human tendencies.
[27:40] Okay. See, different relationships can
[27:42] awaken different spiritual attitudes.
[27:47] The image of God as father may naturally
[27:50] evoke obedience, reverence, trust, and
[27:55] dependence.
[27:57] The image of God as mother
[27:59] may more readily evoke intimacy,
[28:03] protection, surrender, and the feeling
[28:06] of unconditional belonging.
[28:10] This distinction, of course, is not a
[28:13] rigid psychological rule,
[28:15] but it can help us
[28:17] understand why the attitude of looking
[28:20] upon God as mother is so powerful.
[28:25] If I approach God as mother, I may
[28:27] naturally feel
[28:29] I must surrender myself to her.
[28:33] A child doesn't have to philosophize
[28:36] about its mother.
[28:38] The child's attitude is
[28:41] I belong to mother. She is mine. She
[28:45] cares for me.
[28:46] And I can go to her anytime.
[28:53] See, Sri Ramakrishna practiced
[28:56] spiritual disciplines according to
[28:58] different bhavas or moods.
[29:02] He looked upon God with the of course
[29:04] with the attitude of a child towards his
[29:07] mother,
[29:08] the attitude of a servant towards the
[29:11] master,
[29:12] the attitude of a
[29:14] woman towards her beloved and other
[29:17] attitudes.
[29:19] But after realizing the goal of all
[29:21] these attitudes,
[29:23] he returned to child-mother attitude.
[29:27] And he regarded this attitude as an
[29:31] exceptionally pure spiritual
[29:33] relationship. And he retained it till
[29:36] the end.
[29:42] The significance of looking upon God as
[29:46] mother is this.
[29:49] Merits and demerits, wisdom and
[29:53] ignorance, strength and weakness of
[29:57] ordinary people
[29:58] lose their significance
[30:01] before the divine mother.
[30:04] It is like
[30:06] say there is a towering tree at the
[30:08] center of a small lawn.
[30:11] See, from the ground, the difference
[30:13] between the towering tree and the small
[30:16] grass in the
[30:17] in the lawn is huge.
[30:20] But when we rise to a higher position,
[30:24] from higher level, see from there,
[30:27] the the tree and the grass, everything
[30:30] looks just green.
[30:33] It's all the same green patch.
[30:35] So, from the all-embracing
[30:39] point of divine mother, these
[30:42] differences of
[30:47] sinner and saint, and wisdom and
[30:49] ignorance, they that do not matter.
[30:56] See, she
[30:57] the divine mother
[31:00] does not withhold her grace
[31:03] from
[31:04] because from any person
[31:08] because he is imperfect.
[31:13] The saint and sinner can turn toward her
[31:17] and take refuge in her.
[31:20] We
[31:21] we come across many stories in our
[31:24] mythology, in history,
[31:27] in the lives of saints and sages, which
[31:30] prove this saving grace of the divine
[31:33] mother.
[31:35] See, devotees who are attached to the
[31:37] Vedanta tradition,
[31:39] they they can recall the wonderful love
[31:42] of holy mother Sarada Devi.
[31:46] In her life, we have the latest and most
[31:50] comprehensive demonstration of this
[31:53] all-embracing love of the divine mother.
[31:57] She assured her devotees, her devoted
[32:00] children,
[32:01] "I am the mother of the wicked.
[32:04] I am the mother of the virtuous."
[32:07] And she also said,
[32:09] "Whenever you are in distress, just say
[32:11] to yourself that I have a mother."
[32:15] So, this is very significant.
[32:17] It means that there is no situation in
[32:20] life in which I am outside the
[32:23] possibility of a divine relationship.
[32:31] See,
[32:32] I have discussed this
[32:35] uh looking upon God as divine mother in
[32:37] detail.
[32:40] Before moving on to the next point, I
[32:42] should say a word of caution.
[32:45] Is this attitude objectively superior to
[32:49] looking upon God as father or other
[32:52] relations?
[32:54] No.
[32:56] If superiority means that everyone must
[33:00] adopt this attitude, definitely the
[33:03] answer is no.
[33:06] Sri Ramakrishna accepted many approaches
[33:08] to God.
[33:10] Some people naturally respond to mother.
[33:13] Others may find the idea of father or
[33:16] friend or beloved most suitable.
[33:19] Or some others may have little
[33:21] attraction to any personal conception of
[33:24] God.
[33:25] They may be drawn towards Atman,
[33:28] Brahman, or consciousness.
[33:31] See, Sri Ramakrishna would not force
[33:34] it
[33:35] everyone into one mold.
[33:38] This is consistent with his famous
[33:41] words, "As many faiths, so many paths."
[33:45] So, we can extend that same principle
[33:49] within devotion. So, as many
[33:51] temperaments, so many relationships with
[33:54] divine.
[33:55] So,
[33:56] all these attitudes of looking upon God
[33:59] as father, mother, brother, whatever,
[34:03] they all can produce holiness.
[34:08] Now,
[34:09] we will see
[34:11] another aspect of the divine mother.
[34:15] Of course, she has this benign and
[34:18] graceful aspect.
[34:20] But, along with that, she has a terrible
[34:23] face as well.
[34:26] A A merely sentimental conception of the
[34:29] motherhood would not adequately explain
[34:33] the divine mother.
[34:35] She gives birth, but she also destroys.
[34:39] She nourishes,
[34:41] but she also takes away.
[34:44] She gives life,
[34:46] but she also brings death.
[34:48] Why?
[34:50] Because Shakti is the totality of cosmic
[34:54] process.
[34:56] Creation, preservation, and dissolution
[34:59] are all expressions of the same divine
[35:02] mother.
[35:05] Sri Ramakrishna once had a vision of the
[35:08] divine Maya, the inscrutable power of
[35:11] God.
[35:13] He saw a woman of exquisite beauty
[35:17] emerging from the river Ganga
[35:20] and slowly approaching the Panchavati,
[35:23] the the grove of five plan five trees.
[35:28] This lady, Sri Ramakrishna saw that she
[35:31] was pregnant and was on the verge of
[35:34] giving birth.
[35:36] Just as Sri Ramakrishna was uh
[35:40] watching her,
[35:41] she gave birth to a child
[35:43] and began to nurse it tenderly.
[35:47] A moment later,
[35:50] she assumed a terrible aspect,
[35:53] a terrible form,
[35:55] and she seized the child with her green
[35:59] jaws and crushed it.
[36:01] And finally, she swallowed it swallowed
[36:04] the child and reentered the Ganga.
[36:08] So, this is the vision Sri Ramakrishna
[36:11] had, and he understood, yes, that is the
[36:15] divine mother.
[36:17] She brings us into the world and
[36:20] ultimately takes us out of it.
[36:23] So, a true devotee
[36:26] would not say,
[36:28] "Mother is good when pleasant things
[36:30] happen and absent when painful things
[36:33] happen."
[36:35] No.
[36:35] He would rather say
[36:38] "Whatever comes, it comes from the
[36:40] Mother."
[36:42] This is a much more mature form of
[36:45] devotion.
[36:47] It does not mean that
[36:49] what we call suffering
[36:53] is good or we should stop trying to
[36:56] alleviate it.
[36:59] No.
[37:00] What it means is
[37:02] our trust in God no longer depends upon
[37:06] circumstances being pleasant.
[37:10] See, about
[37:11] 2 weeks after this Durga Puja
[37:13] we worship Kali.
[37:17] Kali is very dreadful to look at.
[37:21] She wears a garland of skulls.
[37:25] In one hand, she holds a blood-stained
[37:27] sword.
[37:29] And in another, a severed head.
[37:33] There is a terrifying look at her on her
[37:35] face.
[37:37] And she sticks out her strong
[37:39] as if to devour everything before her.
[37:47] This imagery of the Kali refuses to
[37:50] confine the divine to what is
[37:53] pleasant or comforting and life-giving.
[37:58] The same divine is responsible for
[38:01] destruction, also.
[38:05] See,
[38:06] she represents aspects of existence that
[38:09] we would rather avoid.
[38:12] Death, destruction, and impermanence of
[38:15] everything that we hold dear.
[38:21] Vedanta says that God
[38:26] is in everything.
[38:29] And all reality
[38:32] which includes good and pleasant
[38:36] as well as evil and unpleasant
[38:39] is part of God.
[38:41] So, Kali represents this reality.
[38:46] Hers is an all-comprehensive form.
[38:52] I said that she has a blood-stained
[38:55] sword and a severed head in her arms.
[38:58] She has two more heads. Two more hands.
[39:01] One They are in the postures of
[39:04] giving
[39:06] fearlessness
[39:08] and giving boon.
[39:12] So, she has both these benign and
[39:15] terrible aspects.
[39:17] And Vivekananda used to say that Mother
[39:20] Kali is the perfect manifestation of
[39:23] God.
[39:24] There is a touching incident
[39:27] in the book for Seekers of God.
[39:30] This is a book of conversations
[39:33] of Swami Shivananda,
[39:36] a disciple of Sri Ramakrishna.
[39:40] In 1930,
[39:42] communal riots broke out in Dhaka, which
[39:46] was then a part of India.
[39:49] Now, it is the capital of Bangladesh.
[39:52] So, the communal riots broke out. There
[39:54] was lot of
[39:56] bloodshed.
[39:59] Many, many people were
[40:01] affected. So, the Ramakrishna Mission
[40:04] undertook the relief work
[40:08] for the for the victims of these riots.
[40:11] At that time, Swami Shivananda was the
[40:13] president of the order, and he was
[40:16] living in Belur Math.
[40:18] One day a monk who was
[40:22] conducting the relief work came to Belur
[40:24] Math
[40:26] to pay his respects to
[40:28] Swami Shivananda.
[40:31] And he he met Swami Shivananda and told
[40:34] him about the the riots,
[40:37] the suffering of the people,
[40:40] and also
[40:41] the relief work that the mission was
[40:43] doing.
[40:45] And the mission needed funds for this
[40:47] relief work and appeals had been
[40:50] released in the newspapers.
[40:54] And this Swami
[40:56] told the
[40:57] Swami Shivananda that
[41:01] mission was receiving some support and
[41:04] very recently
[41:06] a one gentleman had offered a
[41:09] considerable amount
[41:11] of money for this relief work
[41:13] and he had promised to give more
[41:17] uh
[41:17] uh if required.
[41:19] So, hearing this
[41:21] Swami Shivananda
[41:23] became very pleased. Okay. And with
[41:26] folded hands
[41:28] he said in an ecstatic mood,
[41:31] "Victory to the Mother.
[41:34] Who can understand her play?
[41:38] It is she
[41:40] who in one form is giving pain.
[41:43] And again it is she
[41:45] who in another form is arousing sympathy
[41:50] in people's hearts.
[41:53] With one hand she is killing.
[41:57] With the other she is giving boons and
[42:01] bidding men be fearless.
[42:04] Creation, preservation, and dissolution,
[42:08] she is the doer of all these.
[42:12] In one form God is bringing pain to so
[42:15] many people
[42:17] in the form of famine and sickness.
[42:20] Again, in another form, God inspires
[42:23] people to remove the distress of
[42:25] humanity.
[42:27] So, these were the significant words of
[42:30] Swami Sivananda.
[42:33] See, this is a difficult teaching.
[42:35] We must understand it carefully.
[42:39] To recognize
[42:41] the divine as the ultimate ground of the
[42:43] whole of existence
[42:45] is not to declare
[42:47] every human action morally good.
[42:51] Swami Sivananda was not asking people to
[42:54] approve of the riots.
[42:56] The mission was actively engaged in
[43:00] in relieving the sufferings of the
[43:01] victims of the the the riot had caused.
[43:05] His point was that
[43:08] even in the midst of these terrible
[43:10] events, the power of compassion can
[43:13] arise.
[43:15] And the same world in which
[43:18] suffering occurs
[43:19] is also the field in which service,
[43:23] love, compassion,
[43:26] all these become possible.
[43:29] And the divine mother is behind both
[43:32] these forces.
[43:38] In
[43:39] Bengal,
[43:40] there are many songs
[43:45] praising Mother Kali
[43:48] for her beauty.
[43:50] Okay. So,
[43:52] when I heard these songs, I was very
[43:54] much surprised.
[43:56] How can Mother Kali be praised for her
[43:58] beauty?
[44:00] She is so dreadful to look at.
[44:03] But, then I realized
[44:05] that
[44:07] the composers of these
[44:09] they were all great mystic poets, okay?
[44:14] They had actually overcome
[44:18] the fear of death, destruction,
[44:22] etc.
[44:23] See, for them, Kali [clears throat]
[44:26] looked really beautiful.
[44:29] And
[44:31] See, there's there's a deep
[44:32] psychological fact in this.
[44:36] Let us say a huge storm is raging in our
[44:40] city, okay?
[44:42] And now, if we are full of fear,
[44:47] >> [clears throat]
[44:47] >> what we do? We
[44:49] We
[44:50] get into our homes, lock all doors and
[44:53] windows, and tremble sitting in a
[44:55] corner.
[44:57] So, then, the
[44:59] the fearful aspect of nature has
[45:02] it has overwhelmed us.
[45:05] But, if we are strong in our in our
[45:07] heart, we can open the window and see
[45:10] the storm and see enjoy the beauty.
[45:14] Right? So, it is something like that.
[45:16] See,
[45:17] one who has conquered the fear,
[45:20] Mother Kali appears beautiful. So, he
[45:23] can enjoy the fierce grandeur
[45:27] even in in that
[45:30] in that image of Kali.
[45:33] Uh
[45:33] in the life of Shri Swami Vivekananda,
[45:37] also there is one very beautiful
[45:38] incident.
[45:40] One of his famous poems is Kali the
[45:44] Mother.
[45:46] Okay?
[45:47] He wrote this poem in Kashmir, where he
[45:50] was visiting with some of his American
[45:53] disciples in 1898.
[45:58] At that time,
[46:00] he was full of devotion to the
[46:02] divine mother.
[46:06] And
[46:07] in his biography, there is a vivid
[46:09] description of the circumstances leading
[46:11] to this composition of the poem Kali the
[46:14] Mother.
[46:15] It is said that he wrote it in in a very
[46:18] exalted state of mind.
[46:20] And as he completed this poem, the pen
[46:23] fell off from his hand and he dropped to
[46:27] the ground losing all consciousness of
[46:30] the outer world.
[46:31] And he was in bhava samadhi.
[46:35] And
[46:36] in this poem, he gives a
[46:39] very
[46:44] a very historic a glimpse of the vision
[46:47] of the great tumult
[46:49] uh pictured as the mad joy of Mother
[46:53] Kali.
[46:54] Okay. And he writes towards the end of
[46:56] the poem,
[46:58] "Come, Mother, come.
[47:00] For terror is thy name.
[47:03] Death is in thy breath.
[47:05] And every shaking step
[47:08] destroys a world forever.
[47:12] Thou time, the all-destroyer,
[47:15] come, oh Mother, come.
[47:18] Who dares misery love
[47:21] and hug the form of death,
[47:23] dance in destruction's dance,
[47:26] to him the Mother comes."
[47:30] So, that is the the poem Kali the
[47:33] Mother.
[47:36] Swami Ashokananda,
[47:38] who headed the Vedanta Society in San
[47:41] Francisco for nearly four decades,
[47:45] stressed this point in many of his
[47:48] talks.
[47:50] That everything we see or experience in
[47:54] this universe, whether good or evil, has
[47:57] come from God.
[47:59] They all have been touched by his hand
[48:03] and [clears throat] hence are equally
[48:06] celestial.
[48:08] In his own words,
[48:10] he says, "Life is wonderful
[48:13] because God created it.
[48:17] Death is wonderful
[48:19] because God created it.
[48:22] Health is wonderful.
[48:24] Illness is wonderful
[48:26] because both have been created by him."
[48:29] So, this is Swami Ashokananda.
[48:33] See, this outlook
[48:35] can radically change how we understand
[48:38] suffering.
[48:41] Instead of dividing reality into
[48:44] "These things came from
[48:46] God. These things don't."
[48:50] We begin to contemplate the mysterious
[48:53] totality of divine action.
[48:59] As I said, it does not mean that cruelty
[49:03] or injustice should be called good. No.
[49:07] It
[49:08] It means that
[49:10] we learn to trust the divine even when
[49:14] life does not meet our expectations.
[49:20] It means that we must grow spiritually
[49:23] stronger
[49:25] to attain a fuller knowledge of the
[49:28] divine mother.
[49:32] A strong devotee can say to the divine
[49:34] mother,
[49:35] "Give me happiness.
[49:38] Give me misery.
[49:40] Both I shall accept with extreme
[49:43] gladness."
[49:45] See, Sri Ramakrishna once
[49:47] when he was in samadhi,
[49:49] uh he fell
[49:51] and broke his arm.
[49:53] So,
[49:55] when Sri Ramakrishna, whenever he goes
[49:56] to samadhi, his the devotees, if they
[49:59] happen to be around, they become very
[50:02] careful
[50:04] to
[50:05] to support him. Otherwise, he may fall.
[50:08] So, once actually it happened and he
[50:11] broke his arm.
[50:12] And obviously, it was very painful. And
[50:15] during that time, he made one very
[50:18] significant remark.
[50:20] He said,
[50:21] "This is
[50:23] just another aspect of the divine play.
[50:26] There is also some joy in this."
[50:30] So, Sri Ramakrishna said,
[50:35] "Now,
[50:36] we will see
[50:38] this Sri Ramakrishna's
[50:40] very, very intimate relationship with
[50:43] the divine mother."
[50:46] I have already quoted a few incidents,
[50:50] a few of his um
[50:53] um conversations,
[50:55] his interactions with the divine mother,
[50:58] who was like a living person to him.
[51:05] I'll just narrate because I'm
[51:08] I'm running out of time. I'll just
[51:09] narrate two incidents
[51:12] which are very, very significant. One is
[51:17] Mathur Babu, Mathurnath Biswas, who was
[51:21] the manager of the Kali temple, had a
[51:25] vision of
[51:27] both Shiva and Kali
[51:30] in Sri Ramakrishna.
[51:34] Once, he was
[51:37] Mathur Babu was visiting Dakshineswar
[51:39] and he was sitting in his room in the
[51:41] bungalow
[51:43] on the temple premises.
[51:45] And Sri Ramakrishna was
[51:47] walking on the northeastern veranda of
[51:50] his room
[51:52] in a very spiritual
[51:54] mood, in drawn mood.
[51:58] This Mathur Babu saw Sri Ram Krishna was
[52:00] walking back and forth.
[52:03] And it just
[52:05] happened that Mathur Babu saw when Sri
[52:09] Ram Krishna was
[52:10] walking towards him
[52:13] his
[52:14] form changed into that of a Kali.
[52:19] And when he turned and walked away from
[52:22] him
[52:24] the form changed into Shiva.
[52:27] At first Mathur Babu saw thought it was
[52:30] some kind of optical illusion. So, he
[52:33] rubbed his eyes
[52:35] and saw again.
[52:37] But the vision repeated.
[52:39] Sri Ram Krishna became Kali and again he
[52:42] became Shiva.
[52:44] It this
[52:46] repeated several times.
[52:48] And
[52:49] Mathur Babu he could not contain himself
[52:52] and he
[52:54] ran to Sri Ram Krishna, fell at his feet
[52:58] and started weeping
[53:00] uncontrollably.
[53:02] That was a very significant vision.
[53:06] Another incident
[53:09] this happened just a few months before
[53:12] his passing, before the passing of Sri
[53:14] Ram Krishna.
[53:16] In
[53:17] Kolkata where Sri Ram Krishna had been
[53:19] moved for his treatment.
[53:23] The devotees had rented a house for him
[53:26] in a place called Shyam Pukur.
[53:29] And
[53:30] uh it was the time of
[53:32] Kali Puja. The
[53:35] On the day before Kali Puja Sri Ram
[53:38] Krishna asked the devotees to gather all
[53:42] items of worship
[53:44] for the
[53:46] for Kali Puja.
[53:47] So, next evening the devotees
[53:51] brought
[53:52] flowers, sandal paste,
[53:55] bilva leaves, and all other items for
[53:58] the worship.
[53:59] And they arranged all this next to the
[54:02] bed of Sri Ramakrishna
[54:05] in the evening.
[54:07] And there were many devotees
[54:09] um Girish Chandra Ghosh,
[54:12] Mahendranath Gupta, uh
[54:14] Rakhal, Naren, and many devotees were
[54:18] present.
[54:19] So, just as they had they arranged all
[54:22] these things,
[54:23] they all sat quietly
[54:28] looking at Sri Ramakrishna.
[54:30] Sri Ramakrishna also surprisingly, he
[54:33] also sat quietly.
[54:35] So, devotees were little
[54:38] confused what they should do.
[54:41] What Sri
[54:42] Neither [clears throat] Sri Ramakrishna
[54:43] is doing the worship himself,
[54:46] nor is he asking anyone of these
[54:49] devotees present to do the worship, to
[54:52] conduct the worship.
[54:55] So,
[54:56] all were sitting quietly.
[54:59] At that time,
[55:01] it struck Girish Ghosh
[55:05] that
[55:06] Sri Ramakrishna does not
[55:08] need to perform the worship for his own
[55:12] sake.
[55:13] He has risen above all these long, long
[55:16] ago.
[55:17] So,
[55:18] all these items of worship are for we
[55:22] devotees
[55:24] to worship him,
[55:25] >> [snorts]
[55:27] >> to worship Sri Ramakrishna.
[55:29] Just as this thought
[55:32] came to him, he immediately
[55:35] collected
[55:36] some
[55:37] took some flowers and sandal paste
[55:41] and uttering
[55:43] victory to the mother
[55:45] offered them at the feet of Sri
[55:48] Ramakrishna.
[55:49] Okay?
[55:51] As soon as these flowers touched the
[55:53] feet of Sri Ramakrishna
[55:55] Sri Ramakrishna went into a ecstatic
[55:59] mood.
[56:00] Okay? And very surprisingly
[56:04] his
[56:05] two hands assumed the
[56:08] postures that we see in the image of
[56:12] Kali.
[56:13] The posture of
[56:15] bidding fearlessness
[56:18] and the posture of giving boons.
[56:21] It is called Abhaya and Varada
[56:25] in Sanskrit. So, Sri Ramakrishna's hands
[56:28] assumed this form.
[56:29] And then all devotees
[56:33] offered flowers at his feet and they all
[56:36] feel they all felt blessed.
[56:40] So, on that day
[56:42] Sri Ramakrishna
[56:44] for devotees Sri Ramakrishna became the
[56:48] divine mother Kali.
[56:52] And then if if few weeks
[56:55] after this incident
[56:58] Sri Ramakrishna was in Kashipur
[57:01] and by then the devotees had
[57:04] come to know that his illness was fatal
[57:08] and only a divine intervention can save
[57:11] him.
[57:13] One day
[57:16] Rakhal Naren Rakhal means Swami
[57:18] Brahmananda
[57:20] Naren Swami Vivekananda they were all
[57:23] sitting by the by the side of his bed.
[57:29] And Rakhal
[57:31] told Sri Ramakrishna,
[57:34] "Please
[57:36] ask mother, ask God divine mother to
[57:41] save your body
[57:43] for some more time."
[57:46] >> [clears throat]
[57:47] >> Sri Ramakrishna replied, "No, that
[57:50] depends upon God's will."
[57:53] Narendra, who was also nearby,
[57:56] he he remarked,
[57:58] "Your will and God's will have become
[58:02] one."
[58:04] So,
[58:05] hearing this, Sri Ramakrishna kept
[58:09] silent
[58:10] thinking of probably something.
[58:14] And then he said,
[58:17] "Nothing will happen if I speak to God.
[58:22] Now I see that I and the mother have
[58:26] become one."
[58:30] Then he paused for some time.
[58:33] All devotees,
[58:34] this is a very significant thing what
[58:36] Sri Ramakrishna said, "I and my mother
[58:39] have become one." So, they all uh
[58:42] sat silently
[58:45] waiting what Sri Ramakrishna would say
[58:47] next.
[58:49] Then Sri Ramakrishna said,
[58:51] pointing to his body,
[58:54] "There are two persons in this.
[58:57] One, the divine mother,
[59:00] Yes, one is she,
[59:03] and the other
[59:04] is he is her devotee.
[59:07] It is the devotee who broke his arm.
[59:11] And it is the devotee
[59:13] who is now ill."
[59:16] Then he says, "Do you understand?"
[59:21] So, here
[59:23] we encounter a a an
[59:26] extraordinary statement by Sri
[59:28] Ramakrishna.
[59:30] He says that he and
[59:33] the mother have become one.
[59:36] And in the same breath, he says that
[59:39] there are two people, mother and her
[59:42] devotee in him.
[59:44] So, he does not explain away the
[59:46] mystery.
[59:48] He leaves us with it.
[59:51] His words suggest a unity so profound
[59:56] that that the distinction between the
[59:58] divine mother and her devotee can no
[1:00:02] longer be explained in our
[1:00:06] ordinary language.
[1:00:11] So, my purpose in narrating these
[1:00:14] incidents is to show that Sri
[1:00:18] Ramakrishna's
[1:00:19] devotees
[1:00:22] came to experience
[1:00:24] the manifestation of Mother Kali
[1:00:27] herself
[1:00:30] in Sri Ramakrishna.
[1:00:34] Now, coming back to our original
[1:00:37] discussion, we began
[1:00:39] with the discussion of Sri Ramakrishna's
[1:00:41] teaching, Jini Brahma, Jini Shakti, Tini
[1:00:45] Kali.
[1:00:48] He who is Brahman is Shakti,
[1:00:51] and he himself is the divine mother.
[1:00:56] But now, we have seen that
[1:01:00] for Sri Ramakrishna,
[1:01:03] Kali was
[1:01:05] no
[1:01:06] separate
[1:01:08] being from him. Devotees saw that Kali
[1:01:13] herself had manifested through Sri
[1:01:17] Ramakrishna.
[1:01:19] So, for these devotees,
[1:01:25] we can extend
[1:01:26] Jini Brahma, Jini Shakti, Jini Kali as
[1:01:30] now Jini Sri Ramakrishna.
[1:01:33] So, the same
[1:01:35] reality which is Brahman
[1:01:38] which is Shakti
[1:01:40] which is manifested as Kali
[1:01:42] has now
[1:01:43] taken the form of Sri Ramakrishna for
[1:01:47] his devotees.
[1:01:51] See, we can
[1:01:52] worship God in any of these forms.
[1:01:58] Mother Kali has become more accessible
[1:02:02] to us through this human form of Sri
[1:02:06] Ramakrishna.
[1:02:09] According to our temperament according
[1:02:12] to our mood we can worship the divine as
[1:02:16] either Brahman
[1:02:17] or as Shakti, the power
[1:02:21] or as Kali, the divine mother, or if you
[1:02:25] are if we are inclined so we can worship
[1:02:28] the same divine as Sri Ramakrishna.
[1:02:32] So
[1:02:32] he is our divine mother.
[1:02:37] During this Durga Puja season
[1:02:41] as I said
[1:02:42] it is very auspicious time.
[1:02:46] Mother
[1:02:48] Durga is worshipped
[1:02:50] ceremonially
[1:02:52] for three or four days
[1:02:54] and we chant hymns to her
[1:02:57] we sing her songs and we do the japa of
[1:03:01] her name.
[1:03:05] It's a very sacred auspicious time and
[1:03:08] during this time we are fortunate to
[1:03:11] have got this opportunity to dwell on
[1:03:15] the divine mother.
[1:03:17] May Divine Mother protect us all.
[1:03:21] May she
[1:03:22] lead us all
[1:03:24] into our
[1:03:26] final destiny, which is the spiritual
[1:03:29] realization.
[1:03:32] May her blessings be on all of us.
[1:03:35] Thank you.
[1:03:38] Om Shanti Shanti Shanti.
[1:03:43] Hari Om Tat Sat. Sri Rama Krishna
[1:03:47] Arpanamastu.