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Non-Duality Realization: The SelfBeyond Mind and Matter

Suryalila Retreat Centre
Suryalila Retreat Centre
Aug 30, 2026
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In the seventh session of an Advaita Vedanta retreat at Suryalila Yoga Retreat Centre, Swami Sarvapriyananda guided seekers through the oldest and most direct teaching of non-duality: the recognition that you are not separate from the ultimate consciousness that animates all existence. This is not a belief to adopt, but a truth to be realized through inquiry—a philosophical investigation so precise that it requires no leap of faith, only honest examination of your own direct experience.

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The Five Schools of Vedanta and Why Non-Duality Stands Alone

Before diving into the core teaching, Swami clarified a distinction that shapes how we understand the spiritual landscape. Vedanta is not a single philosophy but rather a family of schools—all of them derived from the same ancient texts (the Upanishads, Brahma Sutras, and Bhagavad Gita), yet arriving at different conclusions about the fundamental relationship between consciousness, the individual self, and the universe.

The teaching that has become most influential in modern spiritual discourse is Advaita Vedanta, established as a coherent philosophical system by Adi Shankaracharya about thirteen centuries ago. But Shankaracharya was not the founder of Advaita in the sense of inventing it—he was a commentator (acharya literally means "one who writes a commentary on the Brahma Sutras"). What makes an acharya distinct is that each provides a unique philosophical interpretation of the fundamental texts. Ramanujacharya, who came two centuries after Shankaracharya, commented on the same texts but arrived at what's called "qualified non-dualism"—the teaching that individual souls are parts of God, much as your hands and feet are parts of your body. Madhvacharya later developed pure dualism, teaching that you are eternally separate from the divine. Other schools developed intermediate positions.

The crucial insight is this: of all the schools of Vedanta, only Advaita—true, unqualified non-duality—is purely a path of knowledge and self-inquiry. The others are fundamentally devotional and theological. They require you to begin with belief, faith, or a relationship with God. Swami observed that in a modern, scientifically-minded age, this distinction matters. When a French practitioner once told a swami teaching about devotion, "We already have Christianity and Judaism—tell us what's unique," the answer came: non-duality is the only purely philosophical approach, requiring no dogma, no prior belief, only direct investigation of what you actually know about yourself.

Consciousness as the Ground of All Experience

The central inquiry of Advaita begins with a simple but radical observation: in every state of consciousness—waking, dreaming, deep sleep—there is one constant presence. Swami used the framework of the Mandukya Upanishad, traditionally considered the most powerful teaching on non-duality precisely because it distills Vedanta into twelve verses centered entirely on Om, the sound-symbol of consciousness itself.

In the waking state, you experience yourself as a subject encountering objects—the body, other people, the world. In the dream state, the same subject experiences a completely different world, yet that world feels utterly real to you while you're dreaming. In deep sleep, there is no world, no body, no mind, yet you continue to exist—you wake up, and you report, "I slept well." What is the common factor across all three?

It is consciousness itself—not your thoughts, not your mind, not your ego, but the simple, ever-present awareness in which all experience arises. Swami pointed out that in deep sleep, the mind ceases to function, the world disappears, yet consciousness remains. This is the critical inference: if consciousness were a product of the mind, as materialist philosophy claims, it would vanish when the mind is absent. But it doesn't. You wake from sleep. The consciousness was there, unchanged, waiting as it were for the mind to resume.

The Problem of Multiplicity: Gold and Ornaments

One of Advaita's most elegant teachings uses a classic analogy: a goldsmith fashions gold into various ornaments—a bracelet, a necklace, a ring. If you ask, "What is real here?" the answer is simple: only gold is real. The bracelet, the necklace, the ring—these are names and forms imposed on the same substance. The gold does not become a bracelet; it appears as one. Remove the ornament, and the gold remains unchanged.

This is not merely poetic language. It points to a precise logical principle: that which undergoes change cannot be ultimately real. The bracelet comes and goes, but gold is eternal. Similarly, the universe—with all its forms, creatures, changes, and apparent multiplicity—arises in consciousness and dissolves back into it. Yet consciousness itself remains unchanged throughout, the eternal, non-dual ground of all existence.

When you truly understand this not as philosophy but as direct fact about your own nature, something fundamental shifts. The question becomes: what then am I? Not the mind, not the body, not the personality with its history and preferences. You are the consciousness in which all of this appears.

The Limitation of Language and Thought

Swami stressed a critical point that separates Advaita from mere intellectual understanding: non-duality cannot be truly grasped by the thinking mind. Why? Because the mind operates through the subject-object duality. Every thought is a division into knower and known, subject and object. But non-duality means exactly what the word says—not two. There is no second thing separate from consciousness that consciousness can know as an object.

This is not obscurantism or mystical vagueness. It's a precise logical boundary. Language refers to the universe of objects. The mind constructs knowledge through comparison, distinction, and relationship. But the non-dual reality is prior to all of this. It is not that consciousness is hard to understand—it is that consciousness is too fundamental to be objectified and understood in the ordinary sense. You cannot understand consciousness the way you understand a table, because understanding requires distance, perspective, the ability to step back and observe. But there is nowhere to stand outside of consciousness.

This is why the teaching in Advaita often comes in silence, or in paradoxical statements designed to exhaust the mind's capacity to divide and categorize. The teaching "You are That," the most famous mahavakya (great statement) of the Upanishads, points not to a new concept but to what you already are, prior to all concepts.

What Remains When Everything Is Questioned?

The inquiry of Advaita is ruthlessly honest. Swami suggested that what cannot be objectified—what cannot be turned into an object of knowledge or experience—is your true nature. You say, "I have a body." This presupposes that you are separate from the body, the one who has it. You say, "I have a mind," which again suggests you are the owner, not the mind itself. You say, "I have thoughts," "I have emotions," "I have experiences." But what is the "I" that has all of these?

By this inquiry, everything you can claim to have or experience is revealed as an object. Objects come and go. Objects are experienced in time. Objects can be modified, improved, or destroyed. Yet the "I" that is aware of all of this—the simple, unchanging presence of consciousness—cannot be objectified. It is not something that can be obtained or lost. It is not something you can become; you already are it. You are that consciousness in which the entire universe, your body, your mind, all experiences arise like waves on an ocean.

Manifestation Without a Separate Manifest

The retreat's title included not only "Non-Duality Realization" but also "Manifestation"—and this points to a subtlety that distinguishes Advaita from world-denying philosophies. Advaita does not teach that the world is evil or that manifestation is a mistake. Rather, it teaches that the world, like the bracelet, is real as an appearance but not ultimately real as a separate substance. The world manifests, but it is consciousness manifesting. There is only one reality playing all the roles, appearing in all the forms.

This resolves a paradox that has confused many seekers: if all is one consciousness, why does manifestation occur? Why does it not simply rest in undifferentiated unity? The answer is that rest and manifestation are not two different states. Non-duality includes both silence and expression, both the unmanifest and the manifest, both stillness and dance. Consciousness is complete in itself; it loses nothing by manifesting and gains nothing by withdrawing. The manifestation is like the ornaments made of gold—real enough as gold, yet never separate from the gold itself.

Where to go from here

The teaching of Advaita Vedanta is designed not to add new beliefs to your mind but to strip away false beliefs and reveal what you have always been. The path is one of self-inquiry—asking, with radical honesty, "What am I really?" not as an intellectual exercise but as a lived investigation. This inquiry is not pursued in addition to your daily life; it becomes increasingly natural as you recognize that the "I" you're seeking is the very awareness in which this entire search is taking place. The Mandukya Upanishad, which Swami drew upon, teaches that for those who earnestly pursue this inquiry, liberation is not something distant or difficult to achieve—it is the recognition of what already is.

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[0:01] [music]

[0:04] Oh,

[0:25] shanty

[0:27] shanty

[0:30] shant.

[0:31] >> [singing]

[0:33] >> Om lead us from the unreal to the real.

[0:37] Lead us from darkness to light. Lead us

[0:40] from death to immortality.

[0:43] Om peace, peace, peace.

[0:49] Namaste and good morning.

[0:52] Let us start with a rolling m chant.

[0:58] Oh.

[1:21] Oh.

[1:24] [chanting]

[1:24] Oh.

[1:30] Oh.

[1:38] Oh.

[1:55] >> [music]

[2:11] >> The first two verses

[2:14] those you like you can chant after me.

[2:56] The supreme lord said, "Oh Arjuna, this

[2:59] body is termed as chetra, the field of

[3:02] activities. And the one who knows this

[3:05] body is called chetraya, the knower of

[3:08] the field by the sages who discern the

[3:10] truth about both.

[3:17] [snorts]

[3:23] sharak.

[3:45] Oh s of bharata, I am also the knower of

[3:49] all the individual fields of activity.

[3:52] The in understanding of the body as the

[3:54] field of activities and the soul and god

[3:57] as the knowers of the field. This I hold

[3:59] to be the true knowledge.

[4:06] Once more we will go into this for the

[4:10] third time.

[4:13] Today is by the way uh auspicious

[4:15] because it's the birthday of Shankar

[4:17] Achara. I had forgotten somebody

[4:18] reminded me this morning that it's the

[4:20] birthday of Shankarachara.

[4:23] Um Shankarachara is the most important

[4:25] figure in Adita Vidanta.

[4:28] He was u

[4:31] he lived about 1300 years ago in the

[4:35] south of India but he traveled all over

[4:37] India and he lived for only 32 years. a

[4:39] wonderful life in which he wrote

[4:41] commentaries on the upanishads and the

[4:44] um Bhagavad Gita and the um Brahma

[4:48] Sutras

[4:50] plus a numerous other works thus putting

[4:54] adwita vanta on a firm textual

[4:56] foundation.

[4:59] Um

[5:01] but Shankar Acharia is not the only

[5:03] acharia. The word acharia has a

[5:05] technical meaning. Achara means master

[5:06] or teacher. But achara has a technical

[5:09] meaning in this tradition. The one who

[5:11] writes a commentary a unique different

[5:14] commentary on the Brahma sutras. So

[5:17] Shankarachara wrote a commentary on the

[5:19] Brahma Sutras on the in the paradigm of

[5:22] the philosophy of adwita vanta non-dual

[5:24] vanta. But there were others there are

[5:26] multiple commentaries on the brahutras.

[5:28] There's the commentary of Rammanuja who

[5:30] lived some um 200 years after

[5:33] Shankarachara.

[5:34] Um so that becomes the foundation for

[5:38] the vishtad school of vidanta. So

[5:40] Rammanuja is also called Rammanuja.

[5:43] The word acharia is applied to him.

[5:45] Similarly Madwa who lived after

[5:48] Rammanuja who wrote a dualistic

[5:51] commentary on the Brahma Sutras that

[5:53] becomes the basis of the dualistic dwita

[5:56] school of um Vanta. Then there is Nimbar

[6:00] Achara who wrote a commentary which

[6:04] makes him the acharia of the dwita dwa

[6:07] dualistic non-dualistic school of vanta.

[6:12] Then there is um um you have Valhachara

[6:16] who wrote a commentary um and he is the

[6:20] acharia of the sudhad dwita the pure

[6:22] adwita school pure non-dualistic school

[6:24] of vanta which is purely dualistic

[6:26] actually if you look closely at it I

[6:28] think it was sort of fashionable at that

[6:30] time to call your school non-dualism and

[6:33] then add something else to it um then

[6:36] there is a commentary which gives the

[6:39] foundation of what is called the achin

[6:43] school of va vanta ainta means

[6:46] incomprehensible difference identity

[6:48] indifference

[6:51] school and that is the basis for the you

[6:53] know them as the iskcon the har krishnas

[6:56] yeah that that's also a school of vanta

[7:02] you

[7:04] will see there's a theme running here

[7:08] there's one question which all these

[7:10] schools are trying to answer that there

[7:12] is an ultimate reality that all of them

[7:15] agree but what's the relationship of the

[7:18] ultimate reality to us and this universe

[7:23] and if the answer is identity that they

[7:25] are all one reality uh then it's the

[7:27] non-dual school of vanta adwita vanta if

[7:31] it's the answer is that we are all parts

[7:34] of that ultimate reality

[7:37] not identical we're parts of that just

[7:39] like the hands and feet. They're all me,

[7:42] this body, but they're all parts of the

[7:44] body. The hands and the feet and the

[7:45] tummy and the head, they're parts of

[7:47] this one body. So, are we parts of that

[7:49] ultimate reality? That sometimes people

[7:52] mistake this for nonduality, but it's

[7:54] not. It's something called qualified

[7:56] nondualism, qualified monism.

[8:00] Or another answer could be they're all

[8:02] different. There is an ultimate reality

[8:04] and you are different from it. You are

[8:05] not God. That's blasphemy. You're not

[8:07] even part of God. You're distinct from

[8:09] God.

[8:11] uh that is the dualistic school of

[8:12] virant.

[8:14] Um or you might say there is some kind

[8:16] of identity and there's some kind of

[8:18] difference

[8:19] that accounts for the other schools of

[8:21] virant.

[8:22] In all of these

[8:25] it is only the non-dualistic school

[8:28] adant which is purely a path of

[8:30] knowledge and inquiry. All the rest are

[8:32] in some sense dualistic. In some sense

[8:35] you'll see there the approach is the

[8:39] traditional religious approach of God,

[8:42] belief in God, faith, devotion, worship.

[8:46] So that's why the Adwita school has

[8:49] become sort of a favorite, a darling of

[8:52] philosophers because it's the one purely

[8:55] philosophical school. The others are

[8:57] more theological. You already have to

[9:00] believe in something to make that work

[9:02] for you. But they are all beautiful.

[9:04] They especially on the path of love,

[9:06] path of devotion. The other schools are

[9:08] specialists in that. They are all bi

[9:11] schools, schools of devotion, faith in

[9:14] religion. Adita is a kind of an outlier

[9:17] that way. But which makes it more and

[9:19] more suitable for our day and age. The

[9:22] last 100 200 years we are a more

[9:24] rational age, a more skeptical age, a

[9:26] more uh um freethinking, inquiring.

[9:31] Science is prestigious now in this day

[9:34] and age just to say you start with faith

[9:36] start with belief and if you ask why how

[9:38] should I believe why should I believe sh

[9:40] don't ask this will not work so easily

[9:42] nowadays the people find it very

[9:45] difficult to believe

[9:48] I remember one of our um swamies who

[9:52] came he was teaching here in France and

[9:55] he started talking about devotion and

[9:57] bacti to god

[9:59] and some of the French um the followers

[10:02] of Vant at that time. This was a long

[10:04] time ago. He said, "Swami don't tell us

[10:07] about all that. We have our

[10:08] Christianity. We have our Judaism.

[10:11] So you're not telling us anything new.

[10:13] Talk about adwita non-duality. That's

[10:16] unique. That's extraordinary."

[10:18] So Shankarachara was the great acharia,

[10:22] the commentator. If you go to the

[10:24] Himalayas, Shankarachara is called the

[10:27] the Lord commentator. Bhagavan Bhashakar

[10:31] he has written the commentaries on these

[10:34] opishads and all but he is not the

[10:36] founder of Vanta

[10:38] not none of these acharas are founders

[10:40] of adant they don't claim to be also

[10:41] they claim to be commentators they give

[10:43] a specific philosophical perspective

[10:46] the foundation of adant goes back to the

[10:49] upanishads

[10:51] and

[10:53] Bhagavad Gita is based the text which we

[10:55] are using is based on the upanishads the

[10:58] Brahma sutras are based based on the

[10:59] oponyishads and indeed all Vanta texts

[11:01] which follow afterwards are based on the

[11:03] oponyishads

[11:05] but the roots are the opanishads

[11:08] and today we will inquire into this adic

[11:13] teaching that you are Brahman based on

[11:16] anotherishad today's approach will be

[11:19] based on the manduki opanishad

[11:22] of all the opishads it's the shortest

[11:24] it's also the most powerful only 12

[11:27] mantras direct

[11:29] The story I mentioned about Hanuman

[11:32] asking Ramachandra. Um Ram Hanuman asks

[11:36] Ramachandra those who want liberation,

[11:39] those who want freedom,

[11:41] how will they get freedom? And

[11:43] Ramachandra says for those who want

[11:46] liberation

[11:47] the manduka is sufficient.

[11:51] Mandukya alone is sufficient in

[11:53] Sanskrit.

[11:59] Mandukya alone is sufficient for the

[12:02] liberation of the seekers of liberation

[12:07] and suppose I don't get liberation by

[12:10] the mandukishad alone and then

[12:12] Ramachandra gives a list of 108ishads

[12:16] that should be enough to scare you

[12:20] and the mandukanishad

[12:22] is um centered around

[12:26] only the 12 mantras

[12:30] and it is basically the Omishad.

[12:33] It's centered around Om. The Om chanting

[12:35] which we are doing it all of the manduka

[12:38] indeed all of Vanta is packed into Om.

[12:40] And one of the beauties of Vanta is the

[12:43] elegance of Vanta is that all of Vanta

[12:48] can be packed into a very short compass.

[12:51] a single sentence, a single word, a

[12:53] single gesture.

[12:55] One master told me the skill of the

[12:56] teacher is to compress the ocean into a

[12:59] drop and to bring the ocean out from a

[13:02] drop. Can you put all these teachings

[13:06] into one sentence? Tell me in one

[13:08] sentence what are you talking about in

[13:10] one word or in one gesture

[13:13] and from that expand into the entire

[13:15] vantic corpus of all these texts

[13:18] thousands of years.

[13:20] So all these opishads whatever is

[13:23] contained in this 108ish is found in the

[13:25] 12 mantras of the manduki opanishad.

[13:28] Whatever is contained in the

[13:29] mandukanisha is found in a short

[13:31] sentence called the profound teachings

[13:34] or the great sentences mahabaka. The

[13:37] sentence you are that

[13:42] which you find in the chandog

[13:45] that itself can be expanded to the to

[13:47] the whole of adant but it can be

[13:49] compressed into you are that you are

[13:51] that or in others in the briadicad you

[13:57] find the statement I am brahman same

[14:00] meaning single sentence or in the

[14:03] mandukishad which I will use today you

[14:06] find The sentence I am atma Brahma this

[14:09] very self is the absolute. This very

[14:12] self is the absolute. Same meaning all

[14:14] these sentences mean the same thing.

[14:17] Another upanishadish

[14:19] has a sentence consciousness is the

[14:22] absolute.

[14:25] All of these sentences mean the same

[14:27] thing. You can reduce all of this to

[14:30] even not even a sentence one syllable.

[14:36] We'll see today how you can expand that

[14:37] into whole vdanta.

[14:39] You can um you can even shorten that

[14:43] compress that further into one. Whatever

[14:46] we are doing here, you can compress it

[14:47] into one gesture. It's called the chin

[14:50] mudra. The gesture of consciousness

[14:54] chit consciousness mudra gesture. So

[14:57] there are many of these hand gestures

[15:00] used in worship. They have significance.

[15:03] This is a um gesture and some of them

[15:06] are very complicated. You know in puja

[15:08] you learn to do that. [laughter]

[15:10] This is

[15:12] or like this for example.

[15:16] [laughter]

[15:17] So these are u all kinds of gestures are

[15:20] there and they have got different

[15:21] meanings but this is a very profound

[15:23] gesture. All of vanta is contained in

[15:25] this. What does it mean? So the three

[15:29] bodies the physical body this little

[15:31] finger then the subtle body our minds

[15:35] intellects

[15:37] memories ego all of that this one prana

[15:41] all of that this one and then there's

[15:44] the causal body which we don't

[15:46] understand too well it is the seed state

[15:49] what you experience in deep sleep this

[15:51] one and this is the ego I this is

[15:55] isolated separately I what am I as long

[15:58] as I think I'm these three this is our

[16:01] usual state what this is exactly this

[16:03] represents what we feel now

[16:06] and enlightenment is to say that I'm not

[16:08] the physical body I'm not the subtle

[16:10] body I'm not the causal body then

[16:12] automatically it will become clear I am

[16:14] pure consciousness this one represents

[16:15] pure consciousness so I am pure

[16:18] consciousness I am Brahman I am the

[16:20] witness consciousness I am awareness

[16:24] not the physical subtle or causal bodies

[16:27] This is the teaching of Vanta

[16:29] here.

[16:32] It can be made even shorter,

[16:35] even more compact. What is that?

[16:37] Silence.

[16:39] Shankarachara says in one of his hymns,

[16:44] the teaching was in silence and the

[16:46] doubts of the disciples were dispelled.

[16:48] So the disciples have come, people have

[16:50] come with questions and the master sits

[16:52] in silence and the silence, the

[16:54] thunderous silence of the master dispels

[16:56] all the doubts of the disciples. It is

[16:59] actually you would think that sounds

[17:01] cool but does this really work? You'll

[17:03] have to have disciples and masters like

[17:05] that. [laughter]

[17:06] But it it was seen to work. For example,

[17:08] Raman Namari if you read about him often

[17:12] he would sit in silence and people would

[17:14] come in with questions sit with him for

[17:16] a while and the questions would be

[17:17] dissolved. Maybe not solved but

[17:19] dissolved. They would become immaterial.

[17:23] Um so it is possible even silence

[17:26] communicates the vantic teaching. So you

[17:30] see the whole of vantic teaching how it

[17:31] can be compressed making it shorter and

[17:33] shorter and shorter. One of the most

[17:35] beautiful text is the um mandukishad

[17:40] and the mandukishad is basically a

[17:43] commentary on

[17:45] what is the meaning of

[17:49] mandukishad itself has been commented

[17:52] upon by shankarachara's guru's guru

[17:56] whose name was goapadara or godapada

[18:01] his disciple was goindapada and his

[18:03] disciple disciple was um Bhagavat Pad

[18:06] Shankarachara. So Shankarachara's guru's

[18:09] guru wrote four chapters a text on with

[18:13] four chapters on the mandukunishad. The

[18:16] 12 mantras of the mandukunishad embedded

[18:19] in the first chapter

[18:22] called the agamama praarana the section

[18:24] on the scripture because the opanishad

[18:28] is the scripture. So the 12 mantras of

[18:30] the upanishad is embedded there and

[18:32] multiple verses were written by Gorapada

[18:35] around it. Then the second chapter which

[18:38] he wrote entirely composed by God is

[18:42] called

[18:44] um the section on the falsity of the

[18:46] universe that the universe is an

[18:48] appearance

[18:49] and the third chapter is called

[18:54] the section on the nonduality of the

[18:56] ultimate reality nonduality

[19:00] and the fourth chapter is called

[19:03] Shantiarana is a very poetic way of it

[19:06] means means the uh quenching of the fire

[19:10] brand. The section on the quenching of

[19:11] the fire brand. Fire brand you know

[19:13] that's a old Buddhist metaphor. There is

[19:17] um like a fire brand or a coal or piece

[19:21] of burning charcoal and if you whirl it

[19:23] around it looks like a circle right so

[19:26] that's called the allah chakra or allah

[19:28] shanti praarana. Anyway, the fourth one

[19:32] is it deals with various schools of

[19:35] thought and an examination of various

[19:39] schools of thought from a non-dual

[19:41] perspective. So four chapters written by

[19:43] God and Shankarachara has commented on

[19:46] the opishad and the verses of God. So

[19:49] you if you study generally if you study

[19:51] and there are subcommentaries and sub

[19:52] subcommentaries also but generally if

[19:54] you study the mandukanishad it's not as

[19:57] easy as 12 mantras only. I said just om

[20:00] I've studied it no and then the 12

[20:04] mantras and even that's not enough you

[20:05] have to study the four chapters of

[20:07] goapad and that's not enough to

[20:10] understand that you have to study

[20:11] shankarachara's commentary so that's the

[20:13] classical way of teaching the manduk

[20:15] kyopanishad anyway all that is just

[20:17] background and today we just going to

[20:20] use the mandukuishad

[20:22] to unpack these two verses to understand

[20:25] just to do exactly what we did yesterday

[20:27] day before yesterday we did

[20:29] We use the method of sear and seen.

[20:32] Yesterday we used the method of the five

[20:34] layers of the human personality

[20:36] traveling to the cave of the human heart

[20:38] to discover our real nature. And then we

[20:41] used the 10 travelers story to find out

[20:45] who am I. Today we will use the

[20:48] mandukanishad.

[20:51] Um the way it works is this.

[20:55] Our life is actually has three phases

[20:59] every day.

[21:01] Now, right now, this is what we call the

[21:03] waking. And here we have uh the I am

[21:09] there with the mind, senses and body.

[21:12] And with my senses, I'm contacting an

[21:14] external world. A world of forms,

[21:18] colors, shapes through the eyes. A world

[21:21] of sound through the ears. A world of

[21:25] touch through the skin. A world of smell

[21:28] and order through the fragrance through

[21:30] the nose. World of taste through the

[21:32] tongue. And then I think about all of

[21:34] this and I have memories about all of

[21:36] this. I have a sense of ego. I have a

[21:38] sense of personality and I deal with

[21:41] other beings living beings and like

[21:43] myself human and non-human. So this is

[21:46] called the whole thing is called the

[21:49] waking

[21:50] the waking world. And this waking world

[21:55] is given a name. Uh

[21:59] uh.

[22:01] Now we fall asleep. At night you fall

[22:04] asleep. Sometimes in vidanta class you

[22:07] fall asleep

[22:08] and we forget the external world.

[22:12] Our eyes close. We don't hear. And we go

[22:15] into a world of dreams. Another

[22:17] experience comes. A world of dreams.

[22:20] There are people there too. It's all

[22:22] imagined. When we wake up, we we

[22:24] understand it was all in my mind. It's

[22:27] all imagined. But at that time, it feels

[22:30] pretty real. There are people there.

[22:32] There are places there. There's

[22:34] happenings there. There incidents. I'm

[22:35] also there. I'm also part of that world.

[22:39] This and it's very interesting. This eye

[22:41] is not the body of the waking eye. The

[22:43] body of the waking eye is forgotten. The

[22:45] waking world is forgotten. The body of

[22:47] the waking world is forgotten. I have a

[22:50] dream world. and a body in the dream

[22:53] world. A dream body. Huh? I've got a

[22:56] dream body and there I have something's

[22:59] happened there. That's another world.

[23:03] And in the mandukanishad, it's given a

[23:05] name. Ooh.

[23:08] Ooh.

[23:10] And then everything stops for a while.

[23:14] Deep sleep.

[23:16] There is no external world. There is no

[23:20] internal world of dreams just blank.

[23:23] There's nothing to see, hear, smell,

[23:25] taste, touch.

[23:27] There's nothing to think about, nothing

[23:29] to remember, nobody to remember. The ego

[23:32] is also gone.

[23:34] If you feel I am in deep sleep, ego is

[23:37] still functioning. Then you are not in

[23:38] deep sleep. In deep sleep, the ego is

[23:40] gone.

[23:42] So absolutely blank. But that blank is

[23:46] also a kind of experience of experience

[23:49] of nothing.

[23:51] It is not an absence of experience. It's

[23:54] an experience of absence.

[23:57] I remember once in one of our ashrams

[23:59] there was a conference on consciousness

[24:01] studies from philosophical perspectives,

[24:03] vantic perspectives and I mean Indian

[24:06] philosophy perspectives and modern

[24:07] neuroscience. So there was this

[24:09] neuroscientist and a professor asked him

[24:10] the question. I mean the neuroscientists

[24:12] and the philosophers could not agree.

[24:14] They're sort of arguing past each other.

[24:16] So at one point one of the professors

[24:18] asked the neuroscientist doctor tell us

[24:21] in deep sleep according to neuroscience

[24:24] is there consciousness or not? And the

[24:26] doctor said at that time this was more

[24:28] than 25 years ago now it's changed a

[24:30] little bit. At that time they said

[24:32] [snorts] that as we understand

[24:35] consciousness in neuroscience there's no

[24:37] consciousness in deep sleep. Deep sleep

[24:39] is unconscious.

[24:41] There's no consciousness in deep sleep.

[24:43] And the professor who's a professor of

[24:45] sananka philosophy and an American

[24:48] professor Gerald Larson who has written

[24:50] nice books on sanka he said well from a

[24:53] sananka perspective or vdanta

[24:55] perspective there is only consciousness

[24:57] in deep sleep according to neuroscience

[24:59] there is no consciousness in deep sleep

[25:01] deep sleep both agree upon that there is

[25:03] something called deep sleep you can't

[25:04] deny it everybody agrees but what

[25:06] happens there according to neuroscience

[25:09] everything is there only consciousness

[25:10] is not there and so that's our common

[25:12] sense understanding understanding vanta

[25:14] is just the opposite understanding. Only

[25:16] consciousness is there. Nothing else is

[25:17] there and that's why you have deep

[25:20] sleep.

[25:22] So this is the gulf between neuroscience

[25:24] and the uh eastern philosophical

[25:26] understanding of deep sleep. You know

[25:29] how we understand deep sleep is like

[25:31] this. Um one might say wait a minute if

[25:36] consciousness is there in deep sleep why

[25:39] don't we experience it?

[25:41] So the way it is shown is like this.

[25:45] Um

[25:46] you know

[25:49] I remember once seeing a comet in the

[25:52] sky many decades ago a few decades ago

[25:56] in the in the night sky and the tail of

[25:59] the comet is lit up. It's a gorgeous

[26:01] display like a fireworks display. Every

[26:03] night you can see the tail of the comet

[26:06] but the tail of the comet does not carry

[26:08] its own light. It's not it's reflecting

[26:10] sunlight. So as it comes into the solar

[26:12] system, it starts reflecting sunlight.

[26:15] That means where the comet's tail is,

[26:17] sunlight is there already.

[26:20] Without the comet, you can't see the

[26:22] sunlight. You need something to reflect

[26:24] the sunlight.

[26:26] So in the dark of space, it's actually

[26:28] full of light.

[26:30] You know, in at night when you see a

[26:32] satellite pass over, you see it's

[26:33] flashing. It's glittering. In the

[26:35] evening, sometimes you just see the

[26:37] satellites crossing the horizon. So

[26:39] sunlight is there although it's already

[26:41] evening or or night in the earth

[26:43] sunlight is right there. It's just you

[26:45] need a reflecting surface for it. In

[26:48] order to explain this sometimes I would

[26:49] do in conferences once I remember I was

[26:51] trying to explain this. This was um a

[26:53] conference in a place called Nalanda

[26:55] where the ancient Buddhist university

[26:57] was there. So

[27:00] um how can be there be consciousness and

[27:03] yet we don't experience it at all.

[27:06] Now I in the conference there were there

[27:08] was this projector for PowerPoint

[27:10] projections you know so it's a strong

[27:12] you know what it's like a strong white

[27:14] beam of light so I got an idea I I

[27:18] showed them I said look in that beam of

[27:22] light I'm thrusting my hand in there

[27:25] suddenly you will see its glare it's

[27:27] shining in in that light and I remove my

[27:30] hand

[27:31] right there in that space there is

[27:33] intense light but until I put my hand in

[27:36] there you won't see it.

[27:38] I put trust my hand in there suddenly

[27:40] you will see it is shining in in white

[27:43] light. If I remove my hand neither you

[27:45] see the hand nor do you see the light

[27:46] also. So to see the light you need

[27:49] something to reflect the light. The

[27:52] light may be there but it won't look

[27:53] like light. Similarly in consciousness

[27:56] to experience I am conscious

[28:00] you need the ego the eye. You need the

[28:03] mind. You need some experience, some

[28:06] object to to reflect consciousness for

[28:09] consciousness to illumin that object.

[28:12] Then both you'll be aware of. You'll be

[28:14] aware of the object and you'll be aware

[28:16] of the light. You'll be aware of the

[28:17] object, you'll be aware of

[28:18] consciousness. Then if you remove the

[28:20] object, consciousness is still there,

[28:23] but you don't experience it. It feels

[28:25] like deep sleep. It is that's deep

[28:27] sleep. And that in the manduk is given a

[28:30] name. M.

[28:33] And if you put these three sounds

[28:36] together, a

[28:38] oo

[28:40] m. If you put them together, you'll say

[28:44] the first impulse will be to say it.

[28:46] Yes, I know it's

[28:48] not.

[28:51] Om is the correct pronunciation because

[28:53] by the rules of Sanskrit grammar, a and

[28:57] u when you put them together, it becomes

[28:58] o.

[29:00] So therefore little knowledge dangerous

[29:02] thing

[29:04] you were pronouncing it correctly

[29:06] earlier. Now after listening to a u and

[29:09] we start pronouncing it ah now I know

[29:11] it's no it's not it is it is but has

[29:17] three sounds it's not o and m it is a u

[29:21] m so it and it is the entire range of

[29:26] sound when we start speaking making a

[29:29] sound we start with a

[29:32] and as you close the lips uh and the

[29:36] lips are completely closed.

[29:40] Try it.

[29:48] See, it sounds beautiful. It's the

[29:51] entire range of sounds the human mouth

[29:53] can make.

[29:55] There's a lot of profound symbolism

[29:57] here.

[29:59] For example, in Indian philosophy, there

[30:02] is word and object. Language refers to

[30:05] objects. So if I say flower, flower is a

[30:08] word. Flower is a word. But this is the

[30:10] object. This is flower.

[30:15] And

[30:17] all words refer to all objects.

[30:20] Language refers to the universe.

[30:23] Whatever is there nameable in the

[30:25] universe, you have corresponding names

[30:27] for it. So the all the words implies all

[30:30] the objects. All names, all words in the

[30:34] language refer to refers to the entire

[30:36] universe. But language is made of

[30:39] sounds.

[30:41] All words, possible words are made of

[30:43] sounds.

[30:45] So all these sounds are the basis matrix

[30:49] of language which refers to the

[30:50] universe. Sounds language universe.

[30:55] And all sounds are now compressed into.

[31:01] So is

[31:04] the basis of all language

[31:07] and all language represents entire

[31:10] universe. So Om is the basis of the

[31:12] entire universe. It represents the

[31:14] entire universe. You see the symbology

[31:16] in that.

[31:18] It's um as if the entire universe of

[31:21] experience is packed into that.

[31:24] All right. Now, keeping that in mind, we

[31:27] will

[31:29] uh dive into this

[31:34] the waking world, the dream world and

[31:37] the deep sleep world. This is the most

[31:40] powerful method of discovering who am I.

[31:44] The waking world. There are there are

[31:47] three here. The subject, the object, and

[31:50] the state. What's the state? Waking

[31:53] state. How do you define a waking state?

[31:55] Where we apparently consciousness

[31:58] contacts an external world with the help

[32:00] of senses and mind. That's the waking

[32:03] world. Dream world there's a state. It's

[32:07] called the dream state. Dream state of

[32:08] what? Waking state of what? Waking state

[32:10] of the mind. Dream state of the mind.

[32:13] Deep sleep state of the mind. In the

[32:15] waking in the dream state of the mind,

[32:18] consciousness remains confined within

[32:20] the mind and the mind generates various

[32:24] um forms and experiences and

[32:27] consciousness illumines that. That's

[32:29] called dream state.

[32:31] Third, deep sleep. There's a state, it's

[32:33] called the deep sleep state of the mind

[32:36] where consciousness, the subject and the

[32:38] object are mushed together as it were,

[32:41] are flattened together. There's no

[32:42] distinction between subject and object.

[32:44] It seems like a uniform darkness but

[32:48] that's called the seed state because as

[32:49] if from that the waking and dream come

[32:51] and disappear back into that. So you

[32:55] have three states. Waking state in

[32:58] Sanskrit, jagratasta or jagrata,

[33:02] dream state,

[33:04] swapnavasta in Sanskrit, swapna, dream

[33:08] and deep sleep state, sushupti in

[33:11] Sanskrit. These three states in each

[33:14] state there is a pair a pair a pair of

[33:18] subject and object. In the waking state,

[33:21] you are the subject. You, the person,

[33:26] you have, you are conscious. You have a

[33:28] mind and senses and a body. You are the

[33:30] subject. And what's the object? The the

[33:33] universe presented in the waking state.

[33:36] The universe presented in the waking

[33:38] state.

[33:40] In Sanskrit, there are names for this.

[33:44] Um the

[33:46] waker the subject is called vishua

[33:50] and the you need not remember these

[33:52] things just for completion I'm saying

[33:56] and the waking universe which is

[33:57] presented to you the object is called

[34:00] jagrata propancha the universe in the

[34:03] waking

[34:05] the word Sanskrit word propancha is also

[34:07] interesting puncha means five propancha

[34:10] means the five in detail what are the

[34:12] five space, air, fire, water, earth, the

[34:16] ancient cosmology. So five elements and

[34:19] the entire universe is supposed to be

[34:20] made of these five. Today we would use

[34:22] you know so many elements of the

[34:23] periodic table and so on. But anyway the

[34:26] five elements and the universe made of

[34:28] these five elements that's called

[34:30] propanch universe

[34:33] and that's presented in the waking

[34:35] state. So in the waking state now you

[34:37] have three waker the waking universe and

[34:40] the waking state. a state, an objective

[34:44] universe and a subject. You are the

[34:47] waker. This is your world. And this

[34:49] state is called the waking state. Now we

[34:53] go into a dream state. The mind goes

[34:55] into a dream state. You are the you are

[34:57] you'll be there in your own dreams but

[34:59] not as sleeping on the bed and dreaming.

[35:01] No, you'll be a there'll be there will

[35:03] be a dream world and you'll be there in

[35:05] the dream world walking around doing

[35:06] stuff, meeting people.

[35:08] So you the dream state is a second state

[35:11] and in the dream state there is a dream

[35:14] subject.

[35:15] Who is that? You. And what is your name

[35:19] there in Sanskrit? The dream subject.

[35:21] The dreamer. What's the name of the

[35:22] dreamer? In Sanskrit it is Taiasa.

[35:26] Taiasa.

[35:28] Again not important but the names are

[35:30] very evocative. Tajasa means the fiery

[35:32] one. Because in the waking state we are

[35:35] constrained as it were by the physical

[35:37] law by the body. In the dream state we

[35:39] are fiery in the sense we generate our

[35:41] own worlds. It's a much more freer state

[35:45] because we can visualize and generate

[35:46] our worlds. It's like a virtual world.

[35:50] So in the dream state there are three

[35:53] the dreamer the dream world and dream

[35:55] worlds keep changing fast. I saw a movie

[35:58] on the on the airplane. uh it's called

[36:01] inception with a very popular Hollywood

[36:03] movie. So dream state based on the dream

[36:05] state.

[36:07] So in the dream state there's a dreamer

[36:09] and there is a dream world and there's a

[36:11] state called the dream state in

[36:13] Sanskritasa

[36:19] and then we slip into a deep sleep state

[36:22] into a seed state blank like darkness.

[36:25] The light is there in the darkness but

[36:28] there's nothing to reflect that light.

[36:30] Consciousness is there. You are still

[36:31] there but there is nothing to experience

[36:35] there. The world the body has fallen as

[36:38] asleep. The senses are asleep. You don't

[36:40] experience the world. You don't see

[36:42] anything, hear anything, smell, taste,

[36:43] touch anything. Nor do we dream

[36:46] anything. The mind has also gone to

[36:48] sleep. So there is no ego also.

[36:52] And there is only consciousness. And

[36:54] this dark state of which we call the

[36:58] deep sleep. Just for the sake of

[37:00] completion we will say there is a deep

[37:02] sleeper and a deep sleep world and a

[37:05] deep sleep state. But the deep sleeper

[37:07] and the deep sleep world are not

[37:09] separate there. You cannot distinguish

[37:10] themselves. They just look like a

[37:12] uniform blankness there.

[37:14] So this is this completes the three. The

[37:17] first one the waking is called ah. The

[37:20] second one, the dream is called ooh. And

[37:23] the third one, deep sleep is called.

[37:26] Now,

[37:28] all this sounds complicated. It isn't.

[37:31] Relax.

[37:33] All this is just a description of our

[37:36] day. One must vant is doing is just

[37:39] labeling, giving it all sorts of names

[37:41] and but basically it's just repeating to

[37:44] us our own daily experience. If you

[37:46] think it is something very metaphysical,

[37:48] very deep, very abstract, all sorts of

[37:49] fancy names. No, no, no, no, no. It's

[37:52] everyday experience. Each of us, we

[37:55] experience all three every day. That's

[37:57] what we call a day. This is our waking

[37:59] state. Right now, tonight we'll fall

[38:02] asleep and dream. That will be the

[38:03] second state. And then we'll go for a

[38:05] while into deep sleep. That will be the

[38:07] third state. And then we'll wake up

[38:09] again.

[38:10] That's how we cycle through our days and

[38:12] nights.

[38:15] up to this is just a repetition just a

[38:18] labeling just a description of our daily

[38:20] experience where is vanta in all this we

[38:23] might ask so you've just given a nice

[38:26] map of what happens to me every day so

[38:30] now here comes the beauty of vanta vanta

[38:34] says there is a fourth a fourth waking

[38:38] dreaming deep sleep

[38:41] waker dreamer deep sleeper waking world,

[38:44] dream world, deep sleep world. Three

[38:48] each each has three in it. A state and

[38:52] subject and an object. State, subject

[38:54] and object. State, subject and object.

[38:56] These three. And now Vanta says there is

[38:59] a fourth.

[39:01] What is the fourth?

[39:03] It is that which underlies all three.

[39:07] It is you. After all, do you not say I

[39:10] was awake, I dreamt, I slept. And now

[39:14] I'm awake again. We claim all three

[39:17] states for ourselves.

[39:19] But who is that I who was awake and who

[39:22] dreamt and who slept and who's awake

[39:24] now? It can't be the individual waker,

[39:26] dreamer, sleeper.

[39:28] Because the waker, the waking subject is

[39:30] gone in the dream subject.

[39:34] The dream subject is gone when you fall

[39:35] asleep and the deep sleeper is gone when

[39:38] you wake up. Then who is common to all

[39:41] three? Are you with me? It's a very

[39:44] simple thing, but we don't notice it.

[39:46] It's right there. The

[39:49] [clears throat]

[39:49] door of the prison is open, which seems

[39:52] to be closed. Just push it, it'll open.

[39:57] It's right there.

[40:02] The one which is common to all three is

[40:05] called the fourth. One, two, three.

[40:08] Waker, dreamer, deep sleeper, fourth.

[40:11] And the fourth is just called the fourth

[40:13] in Sanskrit. Turya. The word turya is

[40:17] meant to represent pure consciousness,

[40:19] the self, the absolute. But in Sanskrit

[40:22] language, the word turya just means

[40:24] number four. Four.

[40:27] And the trick is to realize the four is

[40:29] not really a four. The four is a one

[40:33] which appears as three.

[40:36] There is one only which appears as

[40:39] three. This one consciousness which we

[40:42] are this pure consciousness, pure

[40:43] awareness,

[40:45] it appears in the waking state as waker

[40:49] you and your waking world.

[40:55] Here is a profound secret.

[40:59] We might agree to say that yes I am

[41:02] consciousness and in the waking state I

[41:03] appear as the waker and there is a world

[41:05] there. No, no, no, no, no. You the

[41:09] consciousness you appear as you the

[41:12] vaker and your world

[41:15] viveandra says one only exists it

[41:17] appears as nature and soul. There's one

[41:20] which appears as subject and object.

[41:23] There is one which appears as seer and

[41:25] seen. There is one which appears as the

[41:27] five sheets of the personality and the

[41:29] world.

[41:31] There's one underlying reality which

[41:34] appears as the waker and the waking

[41:37] world. Stage one waking state. That one

[41:40] alone appears as the dreamer and the

[41:42] dream world.

[41:44] That one alone appears as nothing. Deep

[41:47] sleep is the deep sleeper and the deep

[41:49] sleep blankness.

[41:52] There is one underlying reality which

[41:54] you are that you are which appears as

[41:58] waker and waking world.

[42:00] You are appearing as this person and

[42:03] everything else here in this universe.

[42:05] You are appearing as this person in the

[42:07] dream and everything in the dream

[42:09] universe and you are not appearing.

[42:12] That's the blankness of deep sleep. You

[42:15] continue through waking, dreaming,

[42:18] sleeping.

[42:20] You are the fourth.

[42:23] The difference between enlightenment and

[42:25] ignorance is in the waking state we

[42:28] identify ourselves with I am this guy

[42:31] and this is the world apart from me and

[42:34] the enlightened one will say I am

[42:36] appearing as the subject here and the

[42:38] objective universe

[42:40] I am both

[42:43] in the dream it's much easier to

[42:45] understand in the dream world you appear

[42:48] as the dreamer but the dream world is

[42:50] also you everybody good and sad, awful

[42:53] and miserable. Whatever happens in the

[42:55] dream world, it's you that we understand

[42:57] without vant also. When we wake up, we

[43:00] realize I was there in the dream and

[43:02] everything and everybody I saw in the

[43:04] dream was I

[43:07] and the deep sleep of course blank.

[43:10] Nothing appears. It's all in a potential

[43:11] state.

[43:13] So all these three three sets of three

[43:18] state subject object

[43:22] waking dreaming deep sleep all of these

[43:25] are appearances of one underlying

[43:27] reality that one is called the fourth.

[43:31] That one is called the fourth. How do

[43:33] you understand this? One good example is

[43:36] u I give I like the gold and ornaments

[43:39] example. This gold and the same gold is

[43:43] now fashioned into a necklace.

[43:46] It has a form.

[43:48] It has a name necklace and it has a

[43:51] particular use. You put it on your neck.

[43:53] Now the gold is melted. The necklace is

[43:55] melted down and the gold is used to make

[43:57] it into a bangle, a bracelet.

[44:01] And the bracelet has a form different

[44:03] from the necklace. It has a name

[44:06] different from the necklace. It's a new

[44:07] name, bracelet. and you put it on your

[44:09] wrist. Different name, different form,

[44:12] different use, but it's the same gold.

[44:15] Literally the same gold. There's nothing

[44:17] else there. And then the gold is melted

[44:19] down, maybe made into um a ring

[44:24] and it is a different form. You put it

[44:27] on your finger and you give it a

[44:30] different name, ring, but it's the same

[44:32] goal. Literally the same thing. No

[44:34] changes there.

[44:37] I remember giving this example

[44:40] in Fiji

[44:43] and uh

[44:45] um I didn't know that many of the people

[44:48] in the audience they belong to the

[44:52] profession of goldsmiths

[44:55] and one of them came afterwards to me

[44:57] and said Swami you're ruining our

[45:00] profession

[45:02] we charge so much and if you say it's

[45:04] just the same

[45:05] >> [laughter]

[45:06] >> to melt down someone's ornament and make

[45:08] it a new ornament out of it and you say

[45:10] it's just the same thing then I I can't

[45:11] justify charging so much

[45:14] yes it's a new form you put in a lot lot

[45:16] of work into it a new name and a new

[45:18] ornament but the material the reality is

[45:21] the same thing similarly one same

[45:24] reality appears as you and your world

[45:28] you the dreamer and your dreams you the

[45:31] deep sleeper

[45:33] you are Not the waker right now what we

[45:37] think we are. You are not the dreamer.

[45:40] You're not even the deep sleeper. You

[45:42] are that one, the fourth.

[45:45] And yes, you appear as the waker and the

[45:47] waking world. You appear as the dreamer

[45:49] and the dream world. You appear as the

[45:51] deep sleeper and the deep sleep blank

[45:53] state.

[45:55] Those are your appearances. You are

[45:57] shining forth. Really the fourth is not

[46:00] a fourth.

[46:02] Many people make a mistake on this

[46:04] because of the language fourth. So now

[46:06] we have to go beyond the waking and

[46:07] attain some fourth thing. No, where is

[46:11] the gold available?

[46:13] If I tell you the ornament, the necklace

[46:16] or the bracelet is not the reality. The

[46:18] reality is gold. If I ask you where is

[46:21] the gold available, you'll say right

[46:22] there in the necklace, right there in

[46:24] the bracelet, right there in the ring.

[46:27] You would not look for a new ornament

[46:29] called gold. You know the what is called

[46:33] gold is these three.

[46:37] Similarly don't look for a new atman

[46:40] Brahman absolute pure consciousness

[46:42] somewhere out there beyond this world.

[46:45] It is that pure consciousness alone

[46:47] which is appearing as you. The mind the

[46:50] body the personality and the enormous

[46:53] universe which you seem to inhabit.

[46:55] [snorts]

[46:56] All of it is an appearance of that

[46:58] underlying consciousness. one

[46:59] consciousness. It is the ground of this

[47:02] universe.

[47:04] And when you fall asleep, it is the

[47:06] ground of the dream universe. And when

[47:08] there's nothing appearing, it is the

[47:10] ground of the blankness of deep sleep.

[47:13] Just as gold is the ground is the

[47:15] reality of the necklace, the bracelet

[47:17] and the ring. It's a tremendous

[47:19] assertion.

[47:22] And the name given to each of them.

[47:26] And when we chant Om the entireity of Om

[47:30] is revealed.

[47:33] Remember Om is the basis of all language

[47:36] because it's the basis of all sound. And

[47:38] all language reveals the entire

[47:41] universe. And the entire universe

[47:43] according to Vanta is your waking

[47:45] universe, your dream universe and the

[47:47] deep sleep universe.

[47:49] What is the waking universe? It's what's

[47:51] called the gross universe. The physical

[47:53] universe in Sanskrit tula propancha

[47:57] the physical universe gross universe

[48:01] what is the dream universe it's called

[48:03] the subtle universe suk propancha

[48:07] what is the deep sleep state it's called

[48:09] the causal universe kapraancha

[48:13] so in in vanta the whole universe is not

[48:16] just this physical universe the universe

[48:18] is the physical universe the subtle

[48:20] universe and the causal universe

[48:23] The world as we know it and our internal

[48:27] world of thoughts, feelings, emotions,

[48:29] not just your own, the entire cosmic

[48:31] mind and the causal state which has a

[48:34] technical name in vanta maya all

[48:37] together is called the universe

[48:40] and it's represented by language and all

[48:43] language is sound and sound all sound is

[48:47] so represents this expansion of M is

[48:50] this mighty cosmos, physical, subtle,

[48:54] causal

[48:58] and technically the silence after Om

[49:01] represents this fourth. When we chant

[49:04] Om.

[49:08] When the M falls away and into silence,

[49:12] it's the fourth. It's your real nature.

[49:14] It is from that silence that the M

[49:17] emerges and into that silence the M

[49:19] disappears. It is that silence which

[49:21] emerges as the waking dreaming deep

[49:23] sleep and into that the waking dreaming

[49:26] deep sleep disappear. It is that silence

[49:29] which emerges as the physical universe,

[49:32] subtle universe and causal universe as

[49:35] the stool propa suka propancha

[49:38] and disappears back into that

[49:40] consciousness that that silence that

[49:42] silence represents pure being or pure

[49:44] consciousness satan.

[49:47] The same limitless existence

[49:49] consciousness which we saw yesterday.

[49:51] same pure consciousness which we saw day

[49:53] yesterday which he calls here the one

[49:56] knower of the field in all fields it's

[49:58] exactly the same

[50:02] so this is the grand description

[50:10] one of our swamies who established the

[50:13] vanta work in in South Africa he used to

[50:18] teach vanta with the help of wonderful

[50:21] stories. His name was Nisha Shananda

[50:23] Swami Nishra Shanandha. I'll tell you a

[50:25] story which he used to show the mandukia

[50:28] the teachings of the manduka.

[50:36] The busiest railway station in India is

[50:40] in Kolkata. The Hara station maybe those

[50:42] who have gone there. It's a sight to

[50:44] see.

[50:46] It's scary.

[50:50] Now he says the station master is

[50:54] standing on the platform number one and

[50:56] it says in those days there used to be

[50:59] even now it's there it's a famous train

[51:01] in India called the Raj Dhani Express.

[51:04] So the announcement is the Raj Dhani

[51:06] Express is coming on platform number one

[51:08] and the station master is watching. The

[51:10] Rajdani Express arrives. A lot of

[51:12] activity in sound. People are getting in

[51:14] and getting off and it's so busy.

[51:18] After some time, the express departs.

[51:20] The train departs this platform. The

[51:22] station master is still watching. He

[51:23] didn't come in with the train. He does

[51:26] not leave with that with the train. Next

[51:28] comes in a good train

[51:31] on the platform.

[51:33] There isn't many people coming. This

[51:35] maybe the driver and all. And it's sort

[51:37] of quiet. Not much activity. Then it

[51:41] departs. Station master is watching. It

[51:44] didn't come with the train. He didn't

[51:45] depart with the train. Next empty

[51:48] platform. There's nothing there. And the

[51:50] station master is watching. Now [snorts]

[51:52] this example,

[51:54] the Rajdani Express, that busy train

[51:58] with all its activity is our waking

[52:00] state.

[52:02] You are watching and here comes the

[52:04] waking state. You have to get up and

[52:07] brush and have your quick breakfast and

[52:09] rush, you know, send the kids off to

[52:11] school or something and go to office and

[52:13] work or you work from home or whatever

[52:15] it is and pay the bills and it's the

[52:17] express train. It has come. You are

[52:20] watching your consciousness. You're

[52:21] watching this but you're also active in

[52:24] that as the subject. There's a subject

[52:26] and the object and after some time it

[52:28] departs. The state changes. You fall

[52:31] asleep and then the good strain comes in

[52:34] the dream state. something smoky,

[52:36] something vague. Nothing much is

[52:37] happening. It's much more vague. It's

[52:39] not the industrial grade reality of the

[52:41] waking state.

[52:44] And then that also departs. Then what?

[52:47] Nothing. Blank empty platform. You're

[52:50] still watching that you the watcher. Uh

[52:54] that one is called the fourth.

[52:59] You are you do not come in with the

[53:01] waking state with all its activities,

[53:03] problems, prospects, ambitions, amazing

[53:06] stuff happening. You do not go out when

[53:08] this disappears

[53:10] and the world of dreams arrives.

[53:13] You do not disappear when the world of

[53:15] dreams departs and complete blankness is

[53:17] there. You are there watching all of

[53:20] them. You give light to all of that.

[53:22] Because of you, all of these are

[53:24] experienced. They arise. Of course, the

[53:26] train example has its limitations. The

[53:28] station master and the trains are diff

[53:30] different from each other. But just to

[53:31] show you that consciousness is the

[53:33] witness of

[53:35] of these three states, arrival and

[53:37] departure of these three states. The

[53:40] gold example, remember that the the gold

[53:43] example is even better because the gold

[53:44] makes up the entirety of the ornament.

[53:47] So you're the gold which makes up the

[53:48] entirety of you, the waker, and your

[53:51] waking world. Which means by the way

[53:54] nothing here is different from us. The

[53:56] real eye is not just this. It is this

[54:00] and everything else. In the dream for

[54:03] example in our dream worlds I feel I am

[54:07] this and you're all separate from me.

[54:08] But if this is a dream then when I wake

[54:10] up I'll realize all of this was imagined

[54:12] by me. None of it here. Nobody here was

[54:15] separate from me. Similarly here we are

[54:18] the one consciousness appearing as the

[54:20] subject and the entire universe. Every

[54:23] being here

[54:25] the question might arise that if I'm the

[54:28] one consciousness everything is in me

[54:30] the one consciousness I should know

[54:32] everything. I know only this much. I can

[54:36] only see you. I can't see outside this

[54:37] room. I can only hear what's going on

[54:39] here. I can't hear what's happening far

[54:41] away. Even here in this room, the tiny

[54:44] atoms and molecules, I can't see them.

[54:47] So if I'm the one consciousness in which

[54:48] all of this is arising,

[54:51] how is it possible that I know only a

[54:52] little bit and the rest is completely

[54:54] unknown to me? I seem to be a tiny

[54:56] consciousness that all that is outside

[54:58] me. No, no, no. Here's another important

[55:02] thing to realize.

[55:04] Consciousness and knowledge are

[55:06] different.

[55:09] The universe is present in you. the

[55:11] consciousness as the known and the

[55:13] unknown.

[55:15] Even in a dream, even in a dream which

[55:18] we all admit is entirely made up by my

[55:20] own mind. But when remember what happens

[55:22] in a dream, recall in the dream I seem

[55:25] to inhabit a virtual environment. I'm

[55:28] seeing some of it. I see only this

[55:31] little bit. I'm seeing if suppose I'm

[55:33] seeing this in a dream.

[55:37] Now will I say in the dream only this

[55:40] much is reality beyond this there's no

[55:42] Spain and Europe and the world or the

[55:44] universe? No because I don't see it. No,

[55:48] in the dream also I will feel there's a

[55:49] world only a part of that world I'm

[55:52] seeing. I'm only seeing you. There are

[55:54] surely other people also. So in the

[55:56] dream also there is known and unknown,

[55:58] seen and unseen, heard and unheard in

[56:01] the dream.

[56:03] Are you with me?

[56:05] >> Yeah. In a computer simulation, in a

[56:08] virtual world, you have you put yourself

[56:11] into that virtual world. That's called

[56:13] an avatar. The Sanskrit word avatar is

[56:15] used in computer games nowadays. You put

[56:18] yourself as an avatar in a virtual

[56:19] world. And that avatar walks around in

[56:21] only a tiny part of the virtual world.

[56:24] But the whole virtual world is there.

[56:26] From the perspective of that avatar,

[56:28] only a tiny bit is known. But the rest

[56:30] of it is also simulated.

[56:33] And not only that, very interesting. A

[56:35] computer scientist said actually what

[56:37] you see in a virtual world whatever you

[56:39] are seeing that is being generated and

[56:40] rendered for you so that you can see it

[56:42] now. The rest of it is in a um

[56:44] unmanifest state. It's there but it's

[56:48] not being rendered because that's a

[56:49] waste of computer power because you're

[56:50] not seeing it. The moment you turn

[56:52] around and look at it, it'll be rendered

[56:53] for you.

[56:55] Donald Hoffman who is a cognitive

[56:57] psychologist in UC Irvine he says the

[57:00] latest neuroscientific studies of our

[57:03] brain shows that's what our brain is

[57:04] doing it's rendering the world as we

[57:07] focus on it the rest of it fades back

[57:10] into blank into a kind of haze and

[57:14] that's natural otherwise very difficult

[57:16] to maintain all that too much computing

[57:18] power is necessary otherwise and not

[57:20] necessary also to render everything

[57:23] anyway that's just by the Okay.

[57:25] So just like a dream world here also

[57:28] there is something known and a lot that

[57:30] is unknown and both our appearances in

[57:33] consciousness.

[57:35] The whole universe in is in you the

[57:37] consciousness. A tiny bit of it as known

[57:39] and the rest of it is unknown. That

[57:41] which is unknown can become known. If

[57:43] you go there and use your sight and

[57:45] years and science and technology will

[57:47] become known. This will become unknown

[57:48] then. But all of it is still in

[57:51] consciousness as known and as unknown.

[57:53] So it's not a valid objection to say if

[57:56] it is all in consciousness I should know

[57:58] everything. No, not necessarily.

[58:01] Is it possible to know everything? Not

[58:03] for us with this human mind. But the

[58:06] whole idea of God is that there can be a

[58:08] consciousness which can know everything.

[58:10] The omniscient consciousness. Then you

[58:12] have you would have to be the god of

[58:13] this universe. Not a ja. But apart from

[58:17] the god and the ja is this one

[58:19] underlying consciousness which the whole

[58:21] universe appears and disappears in that

[58:23] and that you are. So this is the

[58:26] analysis of the three states. This is

[58:28] the meaning of analyze into m

[58:35] and that when you chant together the

[58:38] silence afterm represents the underlying

[58:40] reality.

[58:43] Which am I? Am I the silence afterm or

[58:47] am I the sound M? Both.

[58:51] You are the silence and that emerges as

[58:54] the sound. Am I the pure consciousness

[58:56] or this universe? Both. You are the pure

[58:59] consciousness which appears as the

[59:01] universe. There is no both there.

[59:03] There's only one.

[59:06] If you ask what is the reality, the gold

[59:08] or the necklace? I have to say both. But

[59:11] it's not both. It is the same thing.

[59:14] The gold alone is appearing as the

[59:16] necklace. The gold alone is appearing as

[59:17] the bracelet. The gold alone is

[59:19] appearing as the ring. You alone are

[59:21] appearing as waker and waking universe.

[59:23] You alone are appearing as dreamer and

[59:25] dream universe. You alone are appearing

[59:27] as deep sleeper and deep sleep

[59:29] blankness. You are the reality. This is

[59:32] your appearance. Shankarachara in his

[59:34] commentary on this upanishad

[59:37] uses a beautiful phrase maya.

[59:42] Fourth counting in Maya

[59:47] 1 2 3 4. But the first 1 2 3 are

[59:51] appearances. The reality is the fourth.

[59:53] What is 1 2 3? Waker and waking world.

[59:56] Dreamer and dream world. Deep sleeper

[59:59] and deep sleep world. He says they are

[1:00:01] maya. They are appearances. Appearances

[1:00:03] of what? The underlying one which you

[1:00:06] are.

[1:00:08] It's like necklace, bracelet and ring

[1:00:11] are appearances, names, forms and use

[1:00:13] imposed on one. What is that? Gold.

[1:00:21] What is the use of this kind of

[1:00:22] analysis?

[1:00:24] If we think gold is just this, the

[1:00:27] reality is just the necklace. The moment

[1:00:29] the necklace is melted and made into a

[1:00:31] bracelet, we will say, "Oh, the reality

[1:00:33] is gone. It's it's dead. It's gone.

[1:00:36] Alas, alas." No, nothing is gone. Just

[1:00:39] the shape has changed, the name has

[1:00:41] changed, the use has changed, the

[1:00:43] material is exactly the same material,

[1:00:45] the same gold.

[1:00:48] Similarly, when we identify ourselves

[1:00:50] with this guy, when this body ages and

[1:00:54] disease comes and I feel I am

[1:00:56] deteriorating, I'm going and then death,

[1:00:59] oh, gone. No, it's not gone. I am the

[1:01:03] one consciousness which is completely

[1:01:05] undecaying. It's always it was there is

[1:01:08] there will continue to be there. It

[1:01:09] appeared as this waker in the waking

[1:01:11] world. Now it will appear in some form

[1:01:14] as another waker in the waking world you

[1:01:16] know rebirth in that form. Every day it

[1:01:19] appears as the dreamer in the dream

[1:01:20] world and then it does not appear in

[1:01:22] deep sleep. But I am constant.

[1:01:28] Vidyaranya Swami the author of the text

[1:01:30] classic text punchadashi

[1:01:32] he says thus goes our days. This is the

[1:01:36] story of one day. Whatever I said till

[1:01:38] now, waker, dreamer, deep sleeper.

[1:01:40] Waking, dreaming, deep sleep. Story of

[1:01:42] one day. What will happen tomorrow?

[1:01:44] Same. Waking, dreaming, deep sleep. What

[1:01:47] will happen a month later? Ma,

[1:01:54] as the years roll by, as the centuries

[1:01:57] roll by, eons roll by, consciousness

[1:02:00] continues to shine.

[1:02:05] It does not rise or set. The sun of

[1:02:07] consciousness is constantly shining. It

[1:02:10] does not rise or set. You say just a

[1:02:13] minute. You said centuries roll by but

[1:02:15] my body will die. I will die then. Body

[1:02:18] will die. You don't die. Other bodies

[1:02:22] will come. Other lives will come and go.

[1:02:26] You remain as pure consciousness.

[1:02:29] So as the centuries and eons roll by,

[1:02:32] you are eternal. The states come and go,

[1:02:35] the worlds come and go, bodies and lives

[1:02:38] come and go. You're fine.

[1:02:43] This limitlessness is happiness is is

[1:02:47] fulfillment. One monk said, "So, oh

[1:02:51] monks, now reflect there is no death

[1:02:54] anywhere for you. No death.

[1:02:57] There is no darkness anywhere for you

[1:02:59] because it's all light. It's all

[1:03:00] consciousness in deep sleep also same

[1:03:02] consciousness at the end of the universe

[1:03:04] also the same consciousness in

[1:03:05] anesthesia also in samadhi also same

[1:03:08] consciousness there's no darkness

[1:03:09] anywhere for you [snorts] and there is

[1:03:11] no suffering anywhere for you I'm just

[1:03:14] summarizing and translating the Hindi he

[1:03:17] said

[1:03:24] there is no death for you there is no is

[1:03:28] difficult to translate insensienc

[1:03:30] non-conciousness darkness for you and

[1:03:33] there is no suffering anywhere for you

[1:03:35] from that perspective. The moment you

[1:03:38] stick to one name and form you're in

[1:03:40] trouble.

[1:03:43] So this is what this analysis does.

[1:03:46] Waking, dreaming, sleeping. One monk

[1:03:50] um Bhikshu Shankaranandha he was in

[1:03:53] Rishiesh in no haridoir this was in the

[1:03:56] 1930s or 40s 50s probably

[1:04:01] now he was a non-dualist a radical

[1:04:02] non-dualist monk

[1:04:05] and he had only a loin cloth which he

[1:04:08] wore and he would lie down on a cot but

[1:04:09] many people would come to him to learn

[1:04:11] somebody asked you are a non-dualist

[1:04:13] non-dualists have lots of books where

[1:04:16] are your books

[1:04:17] you know, supposed to be scholarly,

[1:04:19] philosophical. And the monk said, "Ah, I

[1:04:22] have three books which I read every day.

[1:04:26] Waking, dreaming, and sleeping, and they

[1:04:29] show me that I am the lord of this

[1:04:31] universe, pure consciousness."

[1:04:34] Yeah.

[1:04:36] All right. I'll stop here

[1:04:39] and um

[1:04:42] let me just present before you the

[1:04:44] seventh mantra of the mandukish where

[1:04:47] all of this is brought together. In the

[1:04:49] earlier month 12 mantras I said in the

[1:04:52] earlier mantras we are introduced to Om

[1:04:54] we are introduced to um waking dreaming

[1:04:58] sleeping in the seventh mantra of the

[1:05:00] mandukishad

[1:05:03] one of the most glorious passages in

[1:05:05] entire vantic literature soaring passage

[1:05:08] you're introduced to your real nature

[1:05:10] the fourth so let me just tell you that

[1:05:13] and translate and up.

[1:05:21] This is one of my favorite vidantic

[1:05:23] texts. One of which I shared with you

[1:05:25] was yesterday.

[1:05:29] Brahman is infinite existence

[1:05:31] consciousness. Another one is this one.

[1:05:35] What is this talking about? The fourth

[1:05:37] our real nature. What we are till now

[1:05:40] what was talked about is already part of

[1:05:42] our experience. You don't need vanta for

[1:05:44] that. Who? You don't have to tell me

[1:05:46] that I am I'm awake. You don't have to

[1:05:48] tell me that I dream. You don't have to

[1:05:50] tell me that I fall asleep sometimes.

[1:05:52] That's all you need in vant. It's one of

[1:05:54] the beauties of vanta.

[1:05:56] You don't need faith in anything.

[1:06:00] Just take a look at your daily

[1:06:01] experience. You don't even need

[1:06:04] extraordinary experiences. Yoga or

[1:06:06] mysticism is the path of extraordinary

[1:06:09] experiences.

[1:06:10] A vision of God in some particular form.

[1:06:12] Those are genuine. These happen and they

[1:06:14] are very life transforming. But Vanta

[1:06:17] goes beyond that also. Vanta takes the

[1:06:19] utterly ordinary, what is daily present

[1:06:23] and gives us new eyes to look into it.

[1:06:26] To look into it with new eyes.

[1:06:29] What is daily present? Waking, dreaming,

[1:06:31] sleeping. That's all you need to start

[1:06:33] Vanta. But now in the seventh mantra

[1:06:36] which I'm going to say something new is

[1:06:38] said which we didn't know and which is

[1:06:41] the point of vanta.

[1:07:11] What was said? Who are you? Who am I?

[1:07:16] It starts with you are not the dreamer.

[1:07:19] You are not the waker. You are not the

[1:07:22] deep sleeper. You're not something in

[1:07:25] between. Somebody might ask, "Yeah, I

[1:07:28] understand all that. But what about coma

[1:07:30] or what about samadhi or what if if I

[1:07:34] am, if you are in New York, I'm high on

[1:07:36] weed.

[1:07:38] I'm neither awake nor sleeping something

[1:07:41] on something in between. It says

[1:07:45] not any in between state either. You're

[1:07:48] none of that.

[1:07:50] Then I'm not conscious at all. Maybe

[1:07:52] like a rock or stone. Not even that. Not

[1:07:54] a pragam. Not non-concious either.

[1:07:59] And then it goes on. You're not

[1:08:02] something that can be seen, heard,

[1:08:04] smelled, tasted, touched because you

[1:08:07] don't have a form. You don't have a

[1:08:08] sound. You don't have a taste. You don't

[1:08:10] have a smell. You don't have a touch.

[1:08:12] The five senses cannot objectify you.

[1:08:17] You are not something that can be

[1:08:18] thought about.

[1:08:20] Mind cannot think about you because the

[1:08:22] mind is lit up by you. You are the light

[1:08:25] of the mind. The mind cannot turn around

[1:08:28] and look at you.

[1:08:30] You cannot be objectified by language.

[1:08:34] Language cannot objectify you.

[1:08:38] One might ask two questions at this

[1:08:40] point. Hey, wait a minute. We are using

[1:08:44] language.

[1:08:46] We are using language. What? First of

[1:08:48] all, why can't language speak about

[1:08:50] language speaks about the whole

[1:08:51] universe? All reality is described by

[1:08:53] language. So why can't language reveal

[1:08:55] the ultimate reality about ourselves?

[1:08:57] Why not? And the second question we

[1:08:59] might ask is but you are using language.

[1:09:02] You are using the seventh mantra is

[1:09:04] talking about the ultimate reality. So

[1:09:06] how is it that you say it's beyond

[1:09:07] language? There's a whole discussion on

[1:09:09] the philosophy of language. Shank that's

[1:09:11] where Shankarachara's commentaries.

[1:09:13] Arurbindo, have you heard of Arurobindo?

[1:09:16] He says that

[1:09:19] probably the greatest metaphysical

[1:09:20] genius that ever lived Shankarachara and

[1:09:22] one of the great services he has given

[1:09:25] us is that he stands between us and the

[1:09:29] upanishads. Upanishads are so ancient

[1:09:31] from us it will be difficult for us to

[1:09:32] comprehend what they are saying. So he

[1:09:35] interprets the opishads for us moderns

[1:09:38] and he is 1,200 years ago. Upanishads

[1:09:40] are 5,000 years ago.

[1:09:43] So he gives an explanation why cannot

[1:09:46] language um reveal the ultimate reality

[1:09:49] pure consciousness who you are. The

[1:09:51] fourth

[1:09:52] shankarachara shows that what can

[1:09:56] language do and what can it not do. So

[1:10:00] language works when one of five factors

[1:10:02] are present.

[1:10:03] One if there is um a category he gives

[1:10:08] the example of a cow. Um a cow is an

[1:10:11] animal and it belongs to a certain

[1:10:13] category of animals. So if an individual

[1:10:16] belongs to a certain category, a

[1:10:17] species, a class, a set, then you can

[1:10:20] use the set to refer to that individual.

[1:10:22] But Brahman the ultimate reality nondual

[1:10:24] there's no set there. There's no

[1:10:25] category or or class there. So you

[1:10:27] cannot use a class set or category to

[1:10:30] refer to the ultimate reality. Are you

[1:10:32] with me? This is second um quality. You

[1:10:37] can use quality to refer to something.

[1:10:38] quality means um for example I can say

[1:10:41] yellow flower and purple flower now you

[1:10:44] know what I'm talking about when I say

[1:10:46] yellow flower you know I'm talking about

[1:10:47] this when I say purple flower you know

[1:10:49] I'm talking about this so I'm using

[1:10:52] yellow and purple the tall man the short

[1:10:56] person you know who I'm talking about

[1:10:58] we're using a characteristic a property

[1:11:02] can you do you do that but Brahman the

[1:11:04] ultimate reality is supposed to be nuna

[1:11:07] beyond attribute No property there. So

[1:11:09] you can't use property

[1:11:11] characteristic quality. You can't use

[1:11:14] that because Brahman is beyond any

[1:11:16] attributes.

[1:11:17] Third action.

[1:11:20] Congratulate the cook. The food is

[1:11:22] delicious which it is.

[1:11:25] Congratulate the cook. Now how do you

[1:11:28] know whom I mean by action? The one who

[1:11:30] did the action of cooking or cleaning or

[1:11:33] driving. Action.

[1:11:36] So action can refer to something. Can

[1:11:38] you refer to Brahman the ultimate

[1:11:40] reality by action? No. Brahman has no

[1:11:42] action. It's beyond any any activity.

[1:11:44] Nishka without any activity. You can't

[1:11:47] use action.

[1:11:48] Then relation. [clears throat] Can you

[1:11:51] use uh relation? One way of you know the

[1:11:55] students or the teacher, the father or

[1:11:57] the children. These are all relational

[1:11:59] terms. Can you use relation to refer to

[1:12:02] Brahma? No. It's nondual. To have

[1:12:04] relation you need a second but there's

[1:12:07] no second apart from Rahman. So

[1:12:09] non-duality means you cannot use

[1:12:10] relation relational language. And

[1:12:14] finally forget all that just give it a

[1:12:16] name and be done with it. Just call it

[1:12:18] something. That's what we do to a baby.

[1:12:20] We call the baby something. Give a name.

[1:12:23] It doesn't necessarily have to have any

[1:12:25] particular meaning for the baby. The

[1:12:27] name has a meaning but doesn't have to

[1:12:29] be any attribute of the baby. just a

[1:12:31] name Ram or Sitha or John or Mary or

[1:12:34] Krishna it's a name so just give it a

[1:12:37] name but you can't do that either why

[1:12:40] not to give a name to something it's

[1:12:43] called an ostensive definition you point

[1:12:45] it out this one is called X that one is

[1:12:48] called Y but you can't point out Brahman

[1:12:52] if I don't point it out

[1:12:55] I if I say call that one you'll say

[1:12:57] which one I I won't tell you then you

[1:13:00] can't

[1:13:02] You have to point it out. Can you point

[1:13:04] out Brahman? You can't.

[1:13:08] So the word, notice the words which are

[1:13:09] used.

[1:13:11] Brahman, the vast. Huh? What does it

[1:13:13] mean? What vast? If you say vast um

[1:13:17] wealth or vast sky, you can point out a

[1:13:21] vast valley. Look out there, you'll find

[1:13:23] it on the pathless path. A vast valley.

[1:13:26] But if you just say vast, what do you

[1:13:27] mean? Doesn't refer to anything.

[1:13:30] So

[1:13:32] language cannot be used. These are the

[1:13:34] five things that language can do. Can

[1:13:36] they can use uh class, quality, action,

[1:13:41] relation or just naming and none of them

[1:13:45] work for Brahman. So Brahman cannot be

[1:13:47] the absolute cannot be um indicated by

[1:13:50] language. But then the second question

[1:13:52] would be you are using language.

[1:13:55] So Vant has developed a strategy for

[1:13:57] using language where language cannot be

[1:14:00] used. There are multiple strategies. One

[1:14:02] strategy is negative.

[1:14:05] If I cannot say what Brahman is, I can

[1:14:07] say what it is not. Notice most of the

[1:14:09] language here used is negative. It's not

[1:14:12] this, not that. It's not the waker, not

[1:14:15] the dreamer, not the deep sleeper, not

[1:14:17] the waking state, not the dream state,

[1:14:18] not the deep sleep state.

[1:14:21] It is not physical, not subtle, not

[1:14:23] causal, not not not. I can say what it

[1:14:26] is not. If language cannot say what it

[1:14:30] is, you can say what it is not. This is

[1:14:32] called via negativa in Latin. The

[1:14:35] negative description. Often in theology,

[1:14:38] it is used to describe the ultimate

[1:14:39] reality. But there are other strategies

[1:14:42] also. Vanta uses other strategy. Implied

[1:14:44] meaning or paradoxical language. farther

[1:14:48] than the farthest, nearer than the

[1:14:49] nearest. It moves and it does not move.

[1:14:52] Uh what is night to the enlightened is

[1:14:55] day to the waking. What is day to the

[1:14:57] waking is night to the enlightened. So

[1:15:00] paradoxical language. Greater than the

[1:15:03] greatest, smaller than the smallest.

[1:15:06] Not just for sounding cool. It has a

[1:15:08] deep meaning. It points to the reality

[1:15:10] without actually saying what it is.

[1:15:14] Language.

[1:15:16] I remember I was having a big debate

[1:15:19] with uh a quarrel almost with one of the

[1:15:22] cutting edge AI people in the world

[1:15:24] today. You know you have heard of this

[1:15:26] Gemini AI and Google we use it. So the

[1:15:29] person in charge of the Gemini research

[1:15:32] whole thing in Google. Brilliant person.

[1:15:34] He he was saying that AI can be

[1:15:37] conscious and I was saying AI is not

[1:15:38] conscious and so we are debating. Um I

[1:15:41] said look AI can never become

[1:15:44] enlightened because um you know it's a

[1:15:47] large language model and the reality is

[1:15:49] beyond language. So that's one thing

[1:15:51] that it can't it can't grasp that

[1:15:53] although you can talk about it can't

[1:15:55] grasp it and his answer was brilliant.

[1:15:57] He said look even if that reality is

[1:16:00] beyond language you as a vidanta teacher

[1:16:03] you use language to convey that reality

[1:16:05] and that language which you use to

[1:16:07] convey Brahman or atman is now available

[1:16:09] to AI. [laughter]

[1:16:11] So why can it not grasp?

[1:16:14] Anyway, so this was the discussion

[1:16:19] beyond lang beyond language. All of this

[1:16:21] to explain one term beyond language.

[1:16:26] Then it is it cannot be inferred. So

[1:16:29] it's beyond the range of science or

[1:16:31] mathematics. And all of these are

[1:16:33] reasons why it cannot be done. Can you

[1:16:36] say anything anything positive about it?

[1:16:39] It says yes.

[1:16:43] It is that which the eye sense points

[1:16:46] towards

[1:16:50] or it is the essence of the eye sense.

[1:16:52] This I when I say I

[1:16:55] it's not exactly the eye because if

[1:16:56] exactly the eye is ego but what the eye

[1:16:59] points towards or the essence of Ika

[1:17:03] atma

[1:17:04] sum means essence or another way anaram

[1:17:09] shankarachara says if you follow the eye

[1:17:11] sense back to its source you'll get it

[1:17:15] why why will you get it because it is

[1:17:17] you it is you

[1:17:20] you are That

[1:17:23] only in general when we say I it means

[1:17:25] the ego and the body and the mind. But

[1:17:27] if you follow the eye back to its source

[1:17:29] you will find it.

[1:17:32] Then he uses these are very profound

[1:17:34] words he uses a word

[1:17:36] sham which means the silence of the

[1:17:38] universe.

[1:17:40] That is the silence of the universe. In

[1:17:42] that

[1:17:44] there is no waking universe, no dream

[1:17:48] universe, no causal universe. Although

[1:17:50] it appears as the waking, dreaming and

[1:17:52] causal universe, in reality that is just

[1:17:55] consciousness. Just like in reality,

[1:17:58] follow this. The gold ornaments in the

[1:18:02] gold there is no necklace, there is no

[1:18:05] bracelet, there is no, you know, ring.

[1:18:11] If I show you the gold, if I show you a

[1:18:14] golden necklace, you see, yep, there's a

[1:18:16] necklace. But if I tell you the reality

[1:18:18] is gold. You say, "Yep, okay, I

[1:18:20] understand. The reality is gold." In

[1:18:22] that gold, is there a necklace? It's

[1:18:25] like, let me ask you, this table is made

[1:18:28] of wood,

[1:18:30] right? This table is made of wood.

[1:18:33] In this wood which constitutes the

[1:18:35] table, where is the where is the table?

[1:18:39] Where is the table in this wood?

[1:18:42] Let me put it another way. When I touch,

[1:18:45] do I say touch table or touch wood?

[1:18:48] Touch wood.

[1:18:52] Is the table a part of this wood?

[1:18:56] It's very peculiar. If you ask questions

[1:18:58] like that, clearly you are seeing a

[1:18:59] table. You're clearly seeing a table. Is

[1:19:03] the table a part of the wood? That this

[1:19:04] part of the wood is called a table. Not

[1:19:07] this part. That is the table. No.

[1:19:11] Is the table a product of the wood?

[1:19:14] Is the wood doing something which makes

[1:19:15] a table? No.

[1:19:18] Is the table a quality of the wood is

[1:19:21] like smooth to the touch. Is the table a

[1:19:24] quality of the wood?

[1:19:26] No.

[1:19:29] Nothing. You'll never find if you

[1:19:31] examine it in that way, you'll never

[1:19:32] find a table there. And yet there's a

[1:19:34] table right there.

[1:19:36] [snorts]

[1:19:37] A table is a name and a form and a

[1:19:39] function imposed on the wood. name and

[1:19:42] form and function have no no connection

[1:19:44] with the wood at all.

[1:19:46] Their appearances that is called maya.

[1:19:52] So you that pure consciousness the

[1:19:55] fourth is the silence of the universe.

[1:19:58] The t the wood if you intensely focus on

[1:20:00] the wood it's the silence of the table.

[1:20:02] It's the disappearance of the table.

[1:20:05] There is no second reality. We use two

[1:20:07] words table. There is something

[1:20:10] corresponding to the word wood.

[1:20:14] There is no separate thing corresponding

[1:20:16] to the separate word table.

[1:20:19] If you want to point out the table,

[1:20:20] you'll have to use the wood.

[1:20:23] It's an appearance of the wood

[1:20:26] more. So this universe is an appearance

[1:20:28] of the underlying one consciousness.

[1:20:33] You the consciousness, you are the

[1:20:36] silence of the universe. Even while the

[1:20:39] universe is appearing, this is so

[1:20:40] profound that I can cannot overemphasize

[1:20:43] it. How do you find peace in this world?

[1:20:46] Look at the different approaches in the

[1:20:48] four yogas. How do you find peace?

[1:20:51] Karma yoga says you find peace through

[1:20:53] selflessness.

[1:20:55] It is our innate deep insight, very deep

[1:20:58] inside. It's our innate selfishness. I,

[1:21:00] me, mine, that's the source of my

[1:21:02] unhappiness.

[1:21:04] That is the source of my trouble. Let go

[1:21:06] of selfishness. To the extent that we

[1:21:08] let go of selfishness, we let go of our

[1:21:09] problems.

[1:21:11] That's the insight of karma yoga. What

[1:21:14] is the insight of bi yoga? How do you

[1:21:16] find peace in this world? By surrender.

[1:21:18] By taking refuge in a higher power in

[1:21:21] God. But that depends on belief. Okay.

[1:21:25] Faith. That there is some God and I take

[1:21:28] refuge in in my in the Lord and it

[1:21:30] works. That's the great insight of bi

[1:21:33] yoga. What is the insight of raja yoga?

[1:21:35] How do you find peace in this world?

[1:21:38] Through the silence of the mind.

[1:21:41] Silence of the mind. You'd find utter

[1:21:43] and deep peace.

[1:21:45] Very logical. All our troubles, you'll

[1:21:48] find the mind at the root of it. If

[1:21:51] there is problem, surely the mind is

[1:21:53] vibrating.

[1:21:54] If you silence the mind, we think

[1:21:56] because of the problems, my mind is

[1:21:58] disturbed. The insight is because my

[1:22:00] mind is disturbed. You have a problem.

[1:22:03] So if you silence the mind there'll be

[1:22:05] no problem at all in the mind

[1:22:09] meditation

[1:22:11] but that's not always possible for every

[1:22:12] first of all that kind of silence of the

[1:22:14] mind is not easy for most people it's

[1:22:16] extremely difficult second no matter how

[1:22:18] good a meditator you are you have to

[1:22:20] come back to the world when the mind

[1:22:22] will again be active as the Buddhist

[1:22:26] master said after the ecstasy the

[1:22:29] boundary.

[1:22:32] So after the silence of the mind then

[1:22:34] next will come the world back again your

[1:22:36] family profession body health all of

[1:22:39] that will come back again society how

[1:22:42] can you have the silence of the mind in

[1:22:44] the midst of samsara this is how you

[1:22:48] come to ghana yoga the way of knowledge

[1:22:49] non-duality

[1:22:51] your very nature is the silence of the

[1:22:53] universe

[1:22:55] just as the wood is the silence of the

[1:22:57] table even when it's appearing as a

[1:22:59] table you can call it a table you can

[1:23:00] use it as a table it's just wood.

[1:23:05] Even when you're calling it a necklace,

[1:23:07] it looks like a necklace and you wear it

[1:23:09] in around your neck, it's just gold.

[1:23:13] Similarly, even when you are a waker and

[1:23:15] you have a waking world and a job and

[1:23:17] responsibility, it is just one

[1:23:19] consciousness which you are.

[1:23:22] You are the silence of the universe.

[1:23:25] Chop sham on this one word Gapada writes

[1:23:28] one whole chapter the second chapter of

[1:23:30] the god karika all of them are expansion

[1:23:33] of this one word the silence of the

[1:23:35] universe

[1:23:38] shantam next word shantam means the end

[1:23:42] of all sorrow the end of all trouble

[1:23:46] what is the end of all trouble you say I

[1:23:49] am the source of all trouble no you are

[1:23:52] you misunderstanding yourself. You are

[1:23:54] the source of all trouble. That's

[1:23:55] wisdom. You truly understanding

[1:23:58] appreciating what you are. The fourth,

[1:24:00] you are the end of all trouble. As long

[1:24:02] as you think you are one of the three

[1:24:04] waker plenty of trouble. Dreamer in

[1:24:08] dreams also there is trouble. There are

[1:24:09] nightmares and problems are there.

[1:24:11] Anxieties all our subconscious comes up

[1:24:13] in the dream. Deep sleeper. Yes, no

[1:24:15] trouble at all. No, there is the seed of

[1:24:18] trouble because you're going to wake up.

[1:24:22] Suppose I fall asleep and I die. That's

[1:24:24] the end of it. No, you'll be reborn.

[1:24:27] [laughter]

[1:24:30] As long as you think I am the waker or

[1:24:32] the dreamer or the deep sleeper, there

[1:24:34] is trouble or in deep sleep potential

[1:24:36] trouble. Potential mischief. There is

[1:24:39] mischief or potential mischief. But when

[1:24:41] you know that you are the fourth even

[1:24:44] while appearing as the waker, the

[1:24:46] dreamer or the deep sleeper, you're

[1:24:48] fine.

[1:24:50] In the midst of appearance, even when

[1:24:52] the movie is playing, be it a horror

[1:24:54] movie or a comedy movie or a tragedy,

[1:24:57] the screen is fine.

[1:25:00] The screen enables the movie to be

[1:25:02] played and yet the screen is fine. You

[1:25:05] enable life to exist and yet you're fine

[1:25:07] and untouched.

[1:25:10] Shantam. What a beautiful word. Shantam.

[1:25:12] Peace itself.

[1:25:14] It says you are not peaceful. The mind

[1:25:16] can sometimes be peaceful. The world can

[1:25:19] sometimes be peaceful. People can

[1:25:21] sometimes be peaceful. Sometimes that

[1:25:23] which is peaceful can also lose its

[1:25:25] peace. But you are peace itself. The

[1:25:28] peace that passeth understanding.

[1:25:31] Shantam. That's your name. That's what

[1:25:34] you are.

[1:25:37] Sham auspiciousness. Bliss, fulfillment.

[1:25:46] They think it is the fourth. Who think?

[1:25:50] Those who do not know. Those who know,

[1:25:52] they know it is the one. Which one? I

[1:25:58] says atma that's the self. You are that.

[1:26:03] But it says it has to be known. It has

[1:26:07] to be realized. It won't work otherwise.

[1:26:10] A patch of cloud here is enough to

[1:26:12] obscure the vast sun which is so much

[1:26:14] bigger than not only the patch of cloud,

[1:26:16] it's bigger than the entire universe. I

[1:26:18] mean entire world. It's bigger than the

[1:26:20] earth. Much bigger than the earth. The

[1:26:22] whole sun can be obscured by one patch

[1:26:24] of cloud.

[1:26:26] You need a gust of wind to blow away the

[1:26:28] patch of cloud. The gust of wind will

[1:26:30] not reveal the sun. The sun is blazing

[1:26:32] forth all the time. Similarly, the one

[1:26:34] is blazing forth all the time. Ignorance

[1:26:37] is removed by knowledge and that

[1:26:39] knowledge is provided by the manduk

[1:26:42] theatma

[1:26:48] shanty shanty

[1:26:51] shant

[1:27:04] good just in Okay.

[1:27:07] Uh in the second session we'll do a

[1:27:09] meditation and some questions.

[1:27:14] [music]

[1:27:17] >> [bell]

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Advaita teaches that you are identical with Brahman—ultimate consciousness—and is purely a path of knowledge and inquiry. Other schools like Qualified Non-Dualism (Vishishtadvaita) teach that souls are parts of God, while Dualism (Dvaita) teaches complete separation. Only Advaita requires no prior faith or belief, making it suited to skeptical, rational inquiry.
In deep sleep, the mind and world disappear, yet consciousness remains. You wake up; you know you existed and slept well. If consciousness were merely a product of the mind, it would vanish when the mind ceases. This shows that consciousness is the ground from which the mind and world arise, not the other way around.
No. The mind operates through subject-object duality—dividing reality into knower and known. Non-duality means not two; there is no second thing separate from consciousness to be known as an object. This is why Advaita teachings often use silence, paradox, or the statement 'You are That' to point beyond thought itself.
It points to the recognition that you are not the body, mind, or individual personality, but the consciousness itself in which all experience arises—just as all gold ornaments are ultimately only gold. It is not new knowledge to acquire but the revelation of what you already are, prior to all concepts.
Advaita teaches that the world is real as an appearance but not as a separate substance—like ornaments made of gold. Consciousness manifests, but the manifestation is never separate from consciousness itself. Both silence and expression, rest and dance, are natural to non-dual reality.
Unlike devotional paths that require faith in God before beginning, Advaita is purely philosophical and works through direct inquiry and logical reasoning. This makes it more compatible with scientific, skeptical, and freethinking worldviews, which is why it has become increasingly attractive in modern times.
The world is neither purely real nor purely illusory—it is real as gold, but the ornaments (forms and multiplicity) are not separate from that gold. The world exists and functions according to natural law, but it is not ultimately separate from consciousness, just as waves are not separate from the ocean.

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