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[0:00] Today on the Mel Robbins podcast, a life-changing
conversation with Oprah Winfrey. I'm [music] so
[0:07] happy to be here with you. I really am.
I thought I would be coming to you. No,
[0:13] I had to come to you. You could go anywhere
and talk to anyone. No, I had to come to you. A
[0:21] you were born to fulfill the dream of your
life here on Earth. You were born into
[0:32] this planet, [music] into the density of this
gravitational pull to fulfill the dream of your
[0:42] life and of the creator's dream of your life here
on Earth. Get about the business of doing that.
[0:53] Whatever you're looking at is only a
piece of the picture of your whole life.
[1:05] Oprah Winfrey, welcome to the Mel Robbins
podcast. Oh my [screaming] gosh. I can't
[1:12] I'm so glad I can reach you. Oh [laughter]
my gosh. Wow. Wow. Oh my gosh. Already. Hi.
[1:21] Of course. Hi. [laughter] It's so good to see
you. I came to Boston to see you. Yes. Thank
[1:28] you. I have always wanted to sit down and have
a conversation with you, but I always imagined
[1:36] that I would be coming to you. Really? Yes. And
I guess the reason why is because I just thought,
[1:43] well, you could go anywhere in the world and
talk to anybody. And it never even occurred to
[1:49] me to think about or manifest you coming
here. Well, I appreciate the invitation
[1:57] to actually be able to sit in your home space
because this is where you reign [laughter] and
[2:05] this is where you reign and I have watched you
listen to you and I watch the bestsellers list
[2:15] uh regularly and I am just so rooting for you. I
I have watched you become the voice of our time
[2:24] in leading people home to themselves. This is why
one of the things I hope people get from you and
[2:30] I today because I see so much of myself in you,
Mel. I actually see you do and am honored by who
[2:40] you have become because I know for sure that some
of what I did and what I've said over the years,
[2:49] you really got it. And you to me are like on the
ex the the the same mission in your own voice,
[2:58] in your own way, through your own self-expression.
But to me, you are one of those people who took
[3:05] the message of everything that we were trying to
say on the show, and you just paid it forward,
[3:12] are moving it forward in your own way. So, it's
like every time I run into someone who says,
[3:17] "I watched your show. My mother watched your show.
My grandmother watched your show. I watched your
[3:21] show. I was a Latchki kid." It makes me feel like,
"Oh, you're a part of the children I raised." Yes.
[3:27] And you are one of those. Yes. who's taken that
light and just blasted it through the world. Well,
[3:33] that's one of the reasons why I was so excited to
welcome you here. For 44 years, I have been your
[3:41] student. You have been my guide and my teacher.
[music] And I think that you have served that
[3:47] role for hundreds of millions of people around the
world. There are [music] producers on this team
[3:53] whose mothers learned English by watching your
show [clears throat] and your life and the way
[4:01] you move through the world is an example of the
difference [music] that each and every one of us
[4:07] can make. Mhm. I would love to have you speak
to the person who is here with us watching or
[4:13] listening. Yes. And share your intention for this
conversation and how it might impact their life.
[4:22] My intention for flying to
Boston to be with you, Mel,
[4:29] and to be with you all is to be used
as a light and a light that shines or
[4:41] illuminates in a way that you can see yourself
through me, through my stories, through Mel,
[4:47] through her stories and have that light ignited
within yourself. I believe that I've had
[4:58] just the most blessed life on earth. I just can't
[clears throat] get over how blessed I have been
[5:08] in my life. I can't get over it. I marvel at
what God and the life forces have done for me.
[5:18] I I marvel at that. But when I think
about it now from the point of view of 72,
[5:25] I realize that what I have acquired is not
as magnificent or extraordinary as who I have
[5:36] become. And I know that the world looks at what I
what I have acquired, but it's who I have become.
[5:48] And I recognize that the work to become myself is
the same work and ability that everybody has to
[5:57] become the most of themselves. And I am most
proud of the woman that I have become. And I
[6:05] want everyone else to have that. I want you to
have that. I want before I leave this earth,
[6:16] I want everybody to know that you have the power
to literally fulfill the fullest expression
[6:25] of yourself as a human being. So that's why I
wanted to have this conversation with you today.
[6:32] I believe everybody has come to do a service to
the planet. That's why we're here. I believe that
[6:41] this is a I don't believe we're the only planet.
I don't believe we're the only life, but I believe
[6:47] that this is a special one. I believe that this
is the Earth school where we all get to teach and
[6:52] we all get to learn from one another. And right
now, a lot of us are messing that up because we've
[6:59] missed the point. But I also know that within each
of us is this internal GPS within you. M mine is
[7:10] no different than yours. Mine is no different
than yours. The difference is I'm obedient to
[7:17] mine. Everybody has it. I just listened and I'm
obedient to mine. But every single person that
[7:29] comes to the planet comes to the planet with the
ability to have that light with inside themselves
[7:34] and to be guided by that light. And every time you
go off course, every time you allow yourself to
[7:41] be out of alignment, things go wrong or you feel
stuck, you feel overwhelmed, you feel exhausted,
[7:51] you feel that you can't go forward, you feel you
don't know what to do next, you feel confusion,
[7:56] you feel but everybody has it. I know one of
the reasons why I think I was so successful
[8:05] and we were number one for 25 years because I I
really did not see a difference between me and the
[8:13] audience that was watching. I recognized that we
were the same and that I was the surrogate voice
[8:19] for them. That I get to sit there and I get to
interview Tom Cruz and I get to interview all
[8:23] the people. But what gave me the power to do it
was that I was speaking for the audience, not for
[8:28] myself. And so I I do believe that a lot of people
are missing out because they're not obedient to
[8:35] the call. And the call is within you. It's not
out here. It's not on social media. You're not
[8:39] going to hear it from your friends. It means being
still enough to know what it is. And you can feel
[8:44] it's just a it's a feeling, doesn't it? Wasn't it
a feeling? It's a feeling. There is a particular
[8:49] story that you share about being three or four
years old and watching your grandmother through
[8:55] the screen door and the voice spoke to you in a
very firm way about what you don't want. And I
[9:03] think it might be helpful for the person listening
to understand that if you're not hearing it in
[9:08] the affirmative, it may be easier for you to
hear it in the way that it's like nope or no,
[9:14] don't. No, that is I just had an aha listening
to that. You're right. You're so right. A lot of
[9:19] people are thinking, "What do I want to do?
What do I want to do?" Do you know what you
[9:22] don't want to do? And a lot of times, you're in a
If you're in a job that you know you don't want,
[9:29] that is that is vital information. You're in
the job that you don't want. That's telling you
[9:36] you don't want to be here. So, let's figure out
where I actually do want to be. So this story I've
[9:41] shared often but it so dear to me because it's
the only conscious memory I have of recognizing
[9:50] the voice from the first time for the first time.
I had to be between four and five because that's
[9:58] where like round memory starts. But I was very
very small and my job with my grandmother was to
[10:07] take out we had what we call a slop jar because
there's no there was like a pea pot, you know,
[10:12] for using the bathroom because you don't want to
go to the outhouse at night cuz it's too dark and
[10:16] there might be snakes in there. And so my job
was as a little girl, too much responsibility,
[10:23] to empty that pot every morning. My other job
was to, you know, sort the clothes pins for my
[10:29] grandmother. She's hanging clothes on the line so
that she doesn't have to sort them and also pick
[10:34] them up at the same time. Um, and also turning
butter because all you do to turn butter is
[10:40] you just did there with the stick turnurning
butter. Butter had to be churned back then,
[10:44] y'all. We didn't have butter. So, I was turning
butter on the back porch looking through the
[10:51] screen door and it was cold and my grandmother
was hanging clothes on the line and I'd sorted
[10:56] the clothes pins all in one place and she's just
picking up the clothes pins and hanging these
[11:01] sheets because she was a domestic worker and had
brought the sheets home from the white people's
[11:07] houses and was boiling them in the pot. That's
how we clean the sheets. And she said, "Opale,
[11:17] you better watch me now cuz one day you going to
have to learn how to do this for yourself." And
[11:24] I was just turning the butter and I was watching
her and this feeling came over me that literally
[11:31] spoke to me and said, "No, you won't. this will
not be your life. But don't tell her [laughter]
[11:46] [laughter] cuz she will not appreciate that. I
I I want to hover on this. Yeah. Because there
[11:54] are so many times in my life where I could not
hear I couldn't even hear the radio. I was so
[12:00] confused. I mean, forget about that little whisper
inside me cuz the noise was so loud. The fear was
[12:05] so loud the as you call it the disease to please
eat me away. So for the person who's listening who
[12:14] has now heard there is a GPS a light inside you
because it begins here [snorts] and you have said
[12:21] Oprah that I believe that every single one of us
Yes. You are listening right now. Oprah believes
[12:28] I believe that you have a light within you. You
are here for a very unique and particular purpose.
[12:34] Yeah. And and don't get confused that it's some
big thing that has to be seen. I think a lot of
[12:39] people think when it's you talk about purpose.
What did you say? Okay. Hold on a second. I
[12:43] want to make sure that you heard that. Don't get
confused that oh, it has to be a big thing. It has
[12:50] to be Instagrammable. Yes. Yeah. I think that's
where we You're like, "Okay, my thing needs to
[12:55] be out here." Yeah. No, no, no, no. That's that's
that's where you're wrong. It's in here. It's It's
[12:59] in here. And it's also how do you best serve where
you are? You know when I ended the show I said you
[13:08] know that I had had this this marvelous platform
of speaking to millions of people on a daily basis
[13:15] but every person has a platform. Your family is
your platform. Your community is your platform.
[13:21] Your church is your platform. Your job is your
platform. Your work. You have the ability to reach
[13:26] and touch people's lives wherever you are. If you
touch the life, you still have a legacy. And so
[13:31] for everybody, everyone who listens and hears
us, your legacy isn't the big big big picture.
[13:39] It's what you're doing today. It's how you speak
to the person that's dry cleaners. It's how you
[13:43] talk to the person who's parking your car. It's
how you it's how you're treating the people in
[13:48] your immediate circle. That's how you will be
remembered. And so, and that's the heart print
[13:55] that you leave or don't leave with people. Heart
print. Yes. It's the heart print that you leave
[14:01] or don't leave. Actually, I learned that word
from a little guy named Mattie Stapanic who was
[14:06] um on my show and was in a wheelchair and ended
up dying when he was 13, but really one of the
[14:11] wisest little angels uh who' come to earth. And he
used to say, "Whenever you touch someone's heart,
[14:19] whenever you moved, you're moved by something
someone does. you you you leave a heart print
[14:24] and so we're leaving heartprints all the time and
you know that wonderful phrase that Maya has about
[14:29] people don't remember what you say or what you did
but they always remember how you made them feel so
[14:34] just be responsible for the energy that you're
carrying into the world and understanding that
[14:39] you are you are a part of the bigger picture we
are all a part of the big thing we are all here
[14:46] and I know it's so hard when [sighs] the price
of eggs. The price of everything, the price of
[14:54] just living seems so overwhelming. But there is a
deeper reason other than just working to survive.
[15:05] And when you recognize that, I think it gives you
room to breathe in a in a in in a deeper force
[15:16] field. You know, it's not just about the job that
the real work of your life is to figure out why
[15:23] you actually came. The real work of your life is
why did you actually come and I know I can tell
[15:30] just by listening to you that you have figured
that out. Me? Yeah. That you are in service to
[15:35] the call. Absolutely. In service that it's true.
Yeah. Yeah. It's true. And it wasn't always that
[15:42] way. I wasn't It wasn't always that way for me. I
lived in chaos, fear, anxiety, self-destruction,
[15:50] people pleasing, addiction. Oh my god. Like just
It's It's interesting cuz when you're in chaos
[15:57] in your head Mhm. it's so loud that I could hear
what you're saying in those moments. Yeah. I feel
[16:07] pulled to wanting to tap into the light and
to trust myself and to find that inner GPS.
[16:14] I honestly didn't know how, which is why I kept
coming back to you. You would be the voice that
[16:20] would silence everything. And then I would start
to practice what I was learning. And I would love
[16:26] to have you expand on this because I know the
person that's thinking right now is is probably
[16:31] thinking, "Okay, well, easy for you, easy, easy
for you, Oprah. Yes. Which is a deflection because
[16:38] when you start to blame and and get triggered by
the very thing that could save you and help you
[16:45] and free you, that's a sign that you want it, but
you don't know how. Having sat with so many people
[16:53] that have found purpose and meaning and peace in
their life versus people who are very stuck. Mhm.
[17:00] Is there a difference between those two people in
terms of if somebody's very stuck right now? Yeah,
[17:07] I think the difference is if you're very stuck
right now, it's because you can't see the bigger
[17:14] picture. You can't see that the source of all
being didn't bring you here to get you stuck. It
[17:26] brought you here so that you can continue to move
forward and offer what you came to give to the
[17:32] rest of us, to the rest of the world. That's all
we're all here to do is to bring our offerings.
[17:39] And our offerings come from every lesson we've
ever learned. Don't you you you you see that now?
[17:45] I Maya used Maya actually wrote a book called
I think it's a book of poetry called I wouldn't
[17:50] take nothing for my journey now. But she used to
sing the song. It's an old hymn. I wouldn't take
[17:55] nothing for my journey now. For my journey now.
For my journey now. Oh, I wouldn't take nothing
[18:03] for my journey now. And I that means all the
stuff that was a part of the journey to this
[18:11] moment. I wouldn't take nothing for it. Yeah. And
I feel that and I want you to know that whatever
[18:21] has happened to you was also happening for you
once you could recognize why it was happening to
[18:30] you no matter how horrible it was. And that's
why I can say in spite of the sexual abuse,
[18:40] [clears throat] in spite of growing up poor, not
only in spite of, I am so grateful to have been
[18:45] born literally red dirt road poor in Mississippi
with no running water and electricity. I am so
[18:53] grateful for that. I am so grateful for having an
outhouse and not knowing what a bathroom was for
[19:00] the first six years of my life. because it makes
every darn time I flush my toilets [laughter] like
[19:08] a wow experience. I'm just like wow. So it makes
it makes coming from that dirt road so much more
[19:21] thrilling that journey. If somebody's sitting
there thinking right now, especially the line
[19:28] everything happens for you, Oprah. Yeah. I mean,
come on. Like the the the things that are violent
[19:35] and terrifying and awful that I don't deserve.
How do you flip that in your mind so that the
[19:42] things that happened to you don't keep you there?
Like cuz there's a real flip there. Cuz you know,
[19:50] I've never liked that saying everything happens
for a reason. I know. because I just believe
[19:55] that sometimes very cruel and unfair and horrible
things happen to people who don't deserve them.
[20:02] But I think a lot about how to truly grow and
reclaim your life after something like that,
[20:08] you have to find a reason to move forward after
it. Can you just dig even deeper for the person
[20:17] who's really feeling like I don't know how to how
to embrace everything happens for me as a mindset
[20:29] so I can move forward. Well, when it happens,
if you don't move forward, then you just get
[20:37] stuck and your life debilitates. And one of the
things that becomes a debil a debilitating energy,
[20:47] a debilitating force field. And so when I say it
happens for a reason, I don't mean, oh, there's a
[20:52] reason for everything. I mean that when that thing
shows up for you [clears throat] that often feels
[21:01] unfair, that often you don't understand, why
was I raped at nine? Why did that happen to me?
[21:11] I at the time couldn't see any good coming
from it. Um why did I have to grow up poor in
[21:19] Mississippi in an environment where it was illegal
for black people to be on the street after dark?
[21:26] Um all the things that happened in in my family
life. Why why why was I raped again at 10 and 14?
[21:34] Why why why why? I mean, I'm actually not supposed
to be here. And people have more horrific stories,
[21:43] unimaginable stories than mine and yours.
So, I don't mean that like, oh, willy-nilly,
[21:49] like, oh, everything's happening and there's a
reason for it. There's a reason for everything,
[21:53] but it doesn't mean you're responsible for the
reason or that that thing should have happened
[21:57] to you. Yes. And so, really bad things happen to
me. I grew up feeling very lonely and I know a lot
[22:03] of people grow up most people grow up not getting
what they need. I remember doing a show with John
[22:12] Bradshaw who is the founder of the whole inner
child movement. John Bradshaw did an exercise
[22:17] where he had people go back into their childhoods
and look through the window. Walk yourself home
[22:24] and then look through the window of your home and
what do you see? And I saw myself separated from
[22:31] my grandmother and my grandfather, but feeling
very much alone. I don't actually remember feeling
[22:39] loved by my mother or my grandmother growing up.
I now know they loved me in the best way they knew
[22:48] how. But I didn't feel it. And because I didn't
feel it and didn't get what I needed, that is what
[22:57] inspired me to be such a talker, that's to be a
speaker, to be an orator, to do so well in school
[23:04] because that's where my validation came from. I
got I felt no validation from home. So I felt love
[23:10] from my teachers. I felt pleasing my teachers
ma made my teachers like me. I felt I felt a
[23:18] sense of satisfaction and worthiness outside my
home, not inside my home. Because I didn't get
[23:26] that from the people that I needed it from. I got
it from the world. I got it from strangers. Yes.
[23:34] Because we all have a design for our lives.
You know, one of the things that impressed me
[23:40] uh so much to be able to find peace within my
own family because I grew up, as I said, not
[23:47] feeling loved. But once I became Oprah Winfrey,
everybody loved me. [clears throat] Everybody. I
[23:58] was driving in Chicago and my mother was in
the car and she goes, "We didn't have much,
[24:04] but we sure had love." I almost wrecked the car.
Like, what are you talking about? What? Who are
[24:13] you? Who are you talking to? I said, "What did you
just say?" She goes, "Well, we didn't have much,
[24:18] but we sure had love." When So, I know that I
never felt it. I know that I was never shown it. I
[24:28] don't remember one moment ever when my mother ever
complimented me or said, "I'm proud of you." I do
[24:38] remember being young and reading in the house and
it was summer and it was hot and I was s sitting
[24:44] in a corner reading and my mother goes, "What you
doing in here sitting up in here reading in the
[24:48] house? You need to get out there with all these
other kids. You think you better than everybody
[24:51] else just sitting up in this house reading." So,
I remember being punished for wanting to read. I
[24:56] I don't ever remember, but I made peace with my
mother. I made peace long before she died. Well,
[25:05] this is one of the pivotal things that I learned
from you and it was the like life class that you
[25:13] did with TD Jake and I would love for you to share
what he taught you because it forever changed
[25:21] my ability to see thing people in my life very
differently. Could you explain cuz that was Oh,
[25:30] that was a f fantastic life class that I did with
him and I it actually struck me too cuz I remember
[25:36] crying like tears just shot out flowing when he
said that because it was so affirming for me.
[25:45] He said that you're a 10gon person. I'm a 10-gon
person. A lot of you are 10 gallon people trying
[25:55] to get 10 gallons worth of love from pintsiz
people who cannot carry the 10 gallons. They
[26:03] can't even carry the gallon. You're looking for
10 gallon love, 10 gallon responses, 10gallon
[26:10] reception, 10gallon acceptance from people who
have a pintsiz ability. So what I learned from
[26:20] that is that expecting people to offer you or give
you the love, the attention that you need who do
[26:31] not have the capacity to do it. They just they
don't have the they don't have it. And you have
[26:40] to recognize they don't have it. So what do they
have? Can I accept you exactly where you are with
[26:49] what you do have? And so my mother could cook.
She made some an incredible collarded greens
[26:56] and could make cornbread like nobody else. And she
and that was the way she offered love and her idea
[27:03] just like I know a lot of you have grown up with
with parents especially if you're my generation
[27:08] or below my generation. You have parents who
thought because I provided for you that was love.
[27:15] You had food on the table. You had shelter. You
weren't on the streets. That was that was that was
[27:21] all I had. That was all I had. And I realize now
my mother was a was a was a maid her entire life
[27:28] until I retired her. My grandmother was a maid,
a domestic worker. And [clears throat] taking
[27:35] care of other people's kids. You're giving all of
your energy to taking care of other people's kids.
[27:40] putting on the face for them, wearing the
mask for them, and by the time you came home,
[27:46] you had nothing left for me. I recognize
that now. And I forgive that. And you know,
[27:54] my favorite definition. Oh, well, I'm going
to let you say it cuz this changed my life,
[27:58] too. Your definition of forgiveness. Yes. is
giving up the hope that the past could be any
[28:09] different. If you are still wishing, hoping,
wanting what happened to you to be something
[28:17] different than what it was, that will leave
you so stuck. So for you forgive for yourself,
[28:25] you forgive. you forgive to say I am going to
release this thing that happened to me and ex
[28:34] first of all get to the stage that requires all
of us to move forward and that is acceptance.
[28:41] You know Elizabeth Kougler Ross in her uh Krueger
Ross in her famous you know five stages of grief.
[28:47] Yeah. You know, you you go through denial and
you go through anger about it and you go through
[28:52] telling yourself it could be different and then
you get to acceptance. When you get to acceptance,
[28:59] when you've lost someone or any other job
or relationship, when you get to acceptance,
[29:06] acceptance leads you to freedom. And until you
get there, you're still just living in the past.
[29:11] You're hoping that it could be different. That
is that is the best definition I I've ever known.
[29:16] It's hard to apply when you first hear it
because there's so much holding on to and
[29:21] bargaining with and wishing things were different
and the wishing things were different. Whether
[29:27] it's wishing this tragedy didn't happen
or wishing the mom or the dad could have
[29:33] been a 10gon [music] person even though they're a
pint-sized person. It keeps the pain alive. Yeah.
[29:41] Oh my gosh. It's Mel. I have an invitation. I
want you to come with me to Vegas to experience
[29:47] something extraordinary with Oprah Winfrey.
Yes. It's the ultimate aha moment. It's not a
[29:53] show. It's an experience. It's to be felt, not
just seen. This is at Sphere [music] and it's
[30:01] not a speech. It's not a show. It's an immersive
experience. I cannot wait to be in the audience
[30:07] with you, Oprah. Yeah. I have had this dream for
quite a while and I want people to come along and
[30:14] experience consistent aha moments of awe, wonder
and joy. Ah, I need wonder. I need joy. I need the
[30:21] [music] connection. I cannot wait to experience
what you've put together. Aha. April 2nd through
[30:27] the 4th live at Sphere. [music] It's a call to
wonder. A call to joy. To joy and the ultimate aa
[30:33] moment. Visit ahalive.com for pre-sale sign up and
travel packages. And you better go fast. I already
[30:39] got my tickets. I'm going with my daughters and
some Oh my gosh. I'll see you in the audience.
[30:50] You talked about how you had a job in the [music]
beginning hosting a show. Yeah. And then you had
[30:56] an awakening when you realized through the power
of your intention, you could use this platform as
[31:02] a force for good. You know, in the beginning, I
was just I was just doing a job just like so many
[31:06] people that are listening to us and watching
us right now. I was just working at a job.
[31:12] But that decision to change my job and my work
into a force for good to actually use it as not
[31:25] just a show to recognize it's not just a show
but you have a platform here and you can use
[31:31] this to help other people see themselves but you
know I had got caught up into the whole you know
[31:39] confrontational television and My producers were
so proud of themselves because they had gotten a a
[31:47] a guy to come on with his mistress and his wife,
which unheard of that you can get the three of
[31:53] them together. Wow. On national television. So,
they were on the show and I had no idea. I mean,
[32:01] I'd read the background and he was having the
affair and she was he, this was not in our,
[32:07] you know, in our preview. [clears throat] And so
he says to her on the air to his wife, he turns
[32:16] to his wife and he says, "Well, what you don't
know is that she's pregnant." [snorts] And I'm
[32:21] telling you, the audience gasped. I gasped. And I
looked at her face and I said, "Never again will
[32:32] that happen to me. Never again." I was so angry
with myself and angry upset [clears throat] with
[32:40] the producers who were so proud of themselves
and they go, "We didn't know he was going to say
[32:44] that. We didn't know he was going to say because
her humiliation still abides with me." M but was
[32:51] a great teacher for me cuz I thought the worst
thing you can ever do if y'all are listening if
[32:58] you're listening right now the worst thing you
can ever do to anybody is to cause them to be
[33:06] humiliated. That's why if you've got to criticize
somebody, if you have something to say to somebody
[33:11] that's going to be hurtful or is going to put
them in a position where they feel devastated,
[33:16] you never ever ever do that in front of other
people. because then they have the humiliation and
[33:23] then the shame of it. So I said to myself, I c I
I can't I I cannot live with myself doing that to
[33:33] somebody. And I apologized to her afterwards and
him afterwards. We're on live television, though.
[33:38] We're on live television. I know she never got
over it cuz I have still to this day never gotten
[33:44] over it. And I said to my producers, "Never again
will that happen. We're not doing that anymore."
[33:53] Cuz around this time, 19 in the late 1980s, I
was reading Gary Zukov's book, Seed of the Soul.
[34:02] And in that book, one of the best books of my life
actually, and he has two chapters on intention.
[34:10] And he talks about intention being one with cause
and effect. And you all know that cause and effect
[34:19] is the first is the law of karma. It is what
you put out is coming back. And when I got that,
[34:27] I got it. It changed everything for me because I
used to be such a huge people pleaser. I didn't
[34:34] know how to say no. And what I learned from the
principle of intention is that if you're saying
[34:41] yes because you want to please the person, that
is what they feel. They feel your pleasure. They
[34:48] feel your acquiescence. They feel your desire to
make them feel okay. They don't know that behind
[34:56] it you are resentful. You don't know. They don't
recognize that behind it you really didn't want
[35:01] to do it cuz you said you wanted to. You said
yes. Yeah. So, as soon as I got clear on, oh,
[35:07] the reason why people keep coming back is because
they are feeling my intention of wanting to please
[35:15] them and not wanting to hurt their feelings.
So, I don't hurt their feelings. Not only do I
[35:18] not hurt their feelings, I make them feel pretty
good. That's why when you loan money or you give
[35:23] something or you're the person who's carpooling
and they always ask you to be the carpooler, it's
[35:27] because they know when they come to you, you're
going to say yes. And so when I learned to say no,
[35:34] when I learned to say no, that for myself, I then
carried that principle of intention. I sat down
[35:40] with all the producers and said, "We're no longer
going to do a show unless we come from the point
[35:46] of view of intention." So when you present me the
ideas, I want the intention for the idea alongside
[35:52] the idea. Yes. And so every show then after 1989
became designed around the intention of how are we
[36:02] going to let people be enlightened, uplift them,
see something today, hear something today that's
[36:08] an aha moment for them that changes the direction
for them. Yes, you as you're listening or watching
[36:14] right now, you have a platform right in front of
your face. It's your family. It's your community.
[36:19] And through the power of your intention, you can
start to be a force for good exactly where you
[36:28] are. And I would say, let me just say to you, if
you're just at a job right now, shift the paradigm
[36:36] in your mind about the why you're doing that job.
Even if you say, "Well, I'm just doing this job
[36:45] uh to make money for my family because I've got
to make ends meet." Then let every single step you
[36:52] take in that job, every single move you make in
that job, even though that job may be boring and
[36:56] even though that job may be irritating to you,
let it be for the love of your family. Never,
[37:03] ever, ever lose sight every day you're walking out
of the door. This I do for the love of my family.
[37:11] This I do to show that I am a provider and one
who can offer to my family a sense of safety,
[37:18] a sense of comfort. Just that little shift
makes a difference in the way the work day
[37:26] moves. And whatever the job or the work is to be
able to shift it to how do I use this thing that
[37:34] I'm doing that is boring the hell out of me or
that is irritating to me and I got a boss. How
[37:39] do I use this in service to something greater than
myself? How do I use this to serve? And you know,
[37:48] I've had these conversations with people who
have supposedly, you know, you know, dull jobs
[37:53] and whatever. And I sat down with a guy one day
and by the end of the our little conversation,
[37:57] he was crying. I was saying, "So, why do you do
this work? And what are you doing it for?" And
[38:02] what does he goes? Well, I'm just just, you know,
I I got to pay the bills. And so, you're paying
[38:06] the bills for what? I'm paying the bills. So my
family can eat and and you're paying the bill so
[38:11] your family can eat and who is your family and
tell me about your daughter and yeah. So when
[38:15] you change the paradigm of what you're doing
and shift why you're doing it to an intention
[38:23] behind doing it, it it it lightens it. It lightens
it. Cuz if we go back to some of your teaching,
[38:28] the energy you put out is the energy you get back.
So if you are bargaining with life and not able to
[38:35] accept it, the energy is resistance. Absolutely.
And if you're in the energy of resistance,
[38:40] you're going to be stuck in resistance. And so I
often ask myself, if something's not going the way
[38:45] I want, what is it I'm resisting? Oh, okay. So, if
you're in a like, can you put give me an example?
[38:50] Something's not going the way you want and you're
starting to feel bothered by it or upset or stuck.
[38:55] Yeah. You ask yourself, what am I resisting?
What am I resisting? For every every person who
[39:01] is listening to us right now, you're listening to
us right now. is you you know whether or not your
[39:08] life is in flow or not. It can't flow unless
you're in flow. And so if you're out of order,
[39:14] your house is out of order, your closets, your
car. I was just sharing with somebody the other
[39:20] day that I used to drive this little Chevy chevet
and it was I would do my hair on the way to work
[39:24] and I'd take the rollers out and I throw the
rollers in the back and change my at the stop
[39:28] signs and and then at one point I if you do that
every day after a while you look in your car and
[39:34] your car is like a wreck and I was like coming
to my car one day and I looked in the car and I
[39:39] was like whoa my life is like that right now. This
car represents my life right now. And so I started
[39:48] taking them out one roller at a time, one roller
at a time, finding 25 cents under the car seat,
[39:53] all that stuff. But I have learned that getting
out of flow with myself, getting off center,
[40:01] not listening to this inner GPS is what causes
disruption in all the areas of of of my of my
[40:07] life. I've heard you say and that one of the most
important questions that you can ask yourself is
[40:14] what do I really want? Want? Yeah. Why is that
such a hard question for so many people to answer?
[40:21] Because most people that I have encountered,
you know, in my life experience of talking to
[40:28] thousands and thousands of people and I used to
sit after the show, you know, with everybody and
[40:33] literally talk to the audiences about where you're
from and what you want and what do you want to do?
[40:38] And I'd ask that question, tell me what do you
want? And women would stand up and say, well,
[40:42] I just want to be happy, Oper. I just want to be
happy. And I say, well, what would make you happy?
[40:47] They'd say, well, my children. And what's going to
make you happy when your children are no longer in
[40:52] the home? What makes you happy other than your
children being happy? What makes you h? Most
[41:00] people could not identify that. And what does that
happiness look like for you? So, are you going
[41:06] to live your dream or are you going to live the
dream that the world has decided that Instagram
[41:14] has decided that X has decided that threads have
decided that you should live? What is you the
[41:22] dream you hold in your heart? And the the reason
why I wanted to talk to you about this is because
[41:28] you and your audience understand that there's
more. Oh, and I started to listen to my audience
[41:35] back in the when did this happen? Late 80s, early
90s. And women started to actually say out loud
[41:42] to me, Mel, you know, I've done everything. When
I say, "What do you want?" They say, "I've done
[41:46] everything. I got the college degree. I'm married.
I have the house. I have the all the things. I
[41:52] have the luset pots. I have the whole I have the
things. But it just feels like there's got to be
[41:59] more than this. There's something more. there's
something more. And I said to my producers,
[42:06] people keep saying the same thing that they
realize that there's more. And I believe we know
[42:15] what it is. And we got to show them what it is.
What they're missing is a is is is the connection
[42:21] to the spirit spiritual core within themselves.
Not a religion, which I got accused of. Overtown
[42:27] trying to create her own church. Over started
the church over. No, there's they're missing the
[42:32] essence [clears throat] within themselves. They're
missing being centered in that GPS guidance for
[42:37] themselves. So, how do we give them that? And
we started Mel doing these little clips called
[42:42] Remembering Your Spirit. And I remember doing
a show where Carolyn Mays was on with her book,
[42:49] Anatomy of Spirit, and the audience was watching,
but I could see they had gone they had gone
[42:56] somewhere else. And I stopped the show and I said,
"Hey, are you all not tracking?" And they said,
[43:01] "Well, what is she talking about spirit?" This was
in '92. Wow. In 1992. In 1992, people didn't know,
[43:11] weren't familiar. They said, "Are you talking
about Jesus? Are you talking about Moses? What
[43:15] are you talking about?" I said, "No, I'm talking
about you have a mind, right? You have a body,
[43:20] you have a soul, or you have a spirit." That's
what she's talking about. The soul of yourself.
[43:25] There's something deeper than just your mind
that you feel in the most quiet still moments of
[43:31] your being with yourself. Yeah. And that's the
something more that you're talking about that
[43:37] you're looking for. And if you stay connected
to that thing, you will never be guided wrong.
[43:42] Now I can talk the talk and most days I live it.
But oh my god, when it came time to end the show,
[43:56] I made one of the biggest mistakes actually of
my life and that is I didn't listen to that GPS
[44:05] and I struggle. I mean 2012 was one of the
worst life the worst years of my life. Every
[44:11] single story headline about me was Oprah and the
Struggling Own Network. Oprah and the Struggling
[44:16] Own Network. And it was hurtful and painful to me
because it was the truth. I was struggling. I was
[44:24] hurting. And I was so angry with myself. What
did you not listen to? I did not listen to the
[44:33] voice inside myself was so strong telling me not
to do it that I would wake up in the middle of
[44:40] the night [gasps] and couldn't breathe. And I'd
say don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't
[44:45] do it. Don't do it. Then I'd say, "But I already
signed. I already signed. Already said I was going
[44:52] to do it." You dummy. [laughter] What? I already
said you're a human. Yeah. How dare you? I know. I
[45:02] But I already said I was going to do it and now I
I got to be my word. I got to g keep my word. But
[45:07] here's what's interesting. Let's I Let's pull this
apart because I want to learn from you because
[45:11] I don't want to wake up. Yeah. 5 years from now.
When you say I have to keep my word. Yeah. We must
[45:21] from this point forward Oprah add to who? Yeah.
Or whom? To whom? Yeah. Am I keeping my word to
[45:29] the outside life? Yeah. Or am I keeping my word to
the inside? And what I ultimately understand now
[45:36] that that decision was because I was keeping my
word, not because I wanted to keep my word. This
[45:41] is the real truth. I've never said this before. I
was keeping my word because I was trying to please
[45:47] the people on the other side. H I was trying to
please I was thinking what are they going to think
[45:54] of me for changing my mind and this is what I want
you all to learn from the lesson I knew but didn't
[46:04] pay attention to you always have the right to
change your mind if the people are in the church
[46:16] sitting in the pews and you're getting ready to
walk down the aisle and you know inside yourself
[46:23] I should not be marrying this person you always
have the right if you know I talked to someone a
[46:31] long why are you getting married you you don't
even argue with each other but the invitations
[46:36] have gone out you always have the right to change
your mind and so I didn't take my own lesson from
[46:45] that and I struggled I struggled I struggled you
know that's the thing about the irrefutable laws
[46:50] of the universe. You don't just learn them once.
You don't learn them once. You have to learn them
[46:54] over and over. I have to learn that again. I knew
it. I knew it. I knew it. And that's why I was so
[46:59] angry with myself. Why? Why do you think it was
happening for you? Yeah, it was happening for
[47:03] me. So, what why if you zoom out and say I needed
that because of why? What was the lesson in that?
[47:15] The lesson in it was that you didn't take it the
first time. cuz I'd already made that mistake.
[47:20] And [clears throat] and this is what I also know
that if you don't get the lesson, it comes around
[47:24] wearing a different pair of pants. What does
it feel like in your body when you're out of
[47:28] alignment? Oh, I was I was sick. I was I was I was
like behind a wall. I wasn't, you know, clinically
[47:35] depressed, but I was I become I became like
numb and and numb and numb to receiving, numb to
[47:44] giving, numb to just like trying to fix it. How do
we fix it? How do we fix it? What do I do? What do
[47:50] I do? What do I do? So I and and and and if you've
ever made a mistake and you knew before making the
[47:59] mistake it was a mistake. There's nothing worse
than being mad at yourself. Oh is it where you say
[48:06] I knew that I knew that I knew no knew that I knew
that and I still did it and but I also understand
[48:14] that it was not being guided. I mean, you can't do
better than the universe can't do any better for
[48:19] you than you waking up in the middle of the night
and you can't breathe. Okay? Did you hear that?
[48:23] If you're waking up in the middle of the night,
you can't breathe. If you're pulling into a job
[48:27] that you hate going into, if you see the text
message from the person and you go, "Gh, yeah,
[48:35] that is a huge sledgehammer from the universe
that we ignore and [music] ignore and ignore.
[48:44] Hey, it's Mel. I have a crazy amazing invitation.
I want you to come to Vegas with me and Oprah
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[48:59] um a lighthouse to really ignite the light within
people. they they're going to feel something
[49:05] really profoundly with a sense of knowing your
greater value to the planet [music] to intention
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[51:00] I [music] want to read to you this passage in
your blockbuster bestsellers. This is the 10th
[51:05] anniversary edition. What I know for sure. What
I love about this book is that it's all essays
[51:10] from O magazine and that you wrote and as I
read each one, I can remember reading it. Oh,
[51:16] really? Cuz you read every magazine. Oh, did I?
Ever. I was a student. I was a student. Um I love
[51:23] this. This is on page 39. Whenever I'm faced with
a difficult decision, I ask myself, "What would I
[51:30] do if I weren't afraid of making mistake, feeling
rejected, looking foolish, or being alone?" I know
[51:36] for sure that when you remove the fear, the answer
you've been searching for comes into focus. And
[51:42] as you walk into what you fear, you should know
for sure that your deepest struggle can, and if
[51:49] you're willing and open, produce your greatest
strength. Mhm. for the person who's listening
[51:56] right now and like in those moments when you're
afraid and you start to question everything. Mhm.
[52:05] How do you find the truth when the fear is so
loud? Cuz the truth can feel quiet or or scary.
[52:17] This reminds me of uh moving from Baltimore
to Chicago and everybody around me telling
[52:25] me that the move to Chicago was going to destroy
me and that I was living in Baltimore and you're
[52:32] you're doing well and you're an anchor woman and
you should just keep this job. And my father,
[52:37] my own father was like, "Well, you're not
going to ever find a job like this again."
[52:42] uh and it was safe. But this is
this is the most important thing.
[52:52] Understanding that the source whatever you call
it from which you've come has put you here for a
[53:02] greater reason than whatever the small thing in
front of you is. whatever you're looking at is
[53:11] only a piece of the picture of your whole life. So
one of the reasons why I've been able to maintain
[53:19] the center of myself is because even in that
moment of struggle with own in the beginning
[53:26] of building that network I was sad I was numbed I
was depressed I was angry with myself but I knew
[53:34] trouble don't last always I knew that that too
would eventually pass I didn't know how because
[53:42] I live in the center of knowing that there's
bigger reason why I'm here. And I have always
[53:50] understood that. I've always understood that I
am a child of the universe. I am God's child.
[53:58] I am born to Vernon and Verita Lee. But my coming
here is such a freaking miracle. My parents were
[54:07] only together one time. One time. They never It
was literally a one afternoon delight stand. It
[54:18] wasn't even a one night stand. One time. And I
born colored. We weren't even black then. Colored
[54:30] in Mississippi where the dream for a colored
girl, the dream for a colored girl did not exist.
[54:42] So this miracle that has become my life I know
exists for everybody who is willing to tap into
[54:52] the source of themselves to that and that's what
has eliminated my my my my ultimate fears. I mean,
[55:02] I was I've been anxious about things, but I know
that ultimately I belong to something bigger than
[55:08] myself and that my reason for being here is bigger
than a job or bigger than what I could even know.
[55:15] And so my my message and my offering to your
audience is to ask the life force to use you
[55:29] for its highest good. Not you just tell it what
you want to use you for its highest good. I I
[55:38] I [clears throat] will share this story. There was
there was a producer of mine in Baltimore who was
[55:45] the richest person I'd ever seen or known. Her
name was Arlene Weiner. Her husband's a famous
[55:52] attorney there. And they I went to her house
in when I was 28, 29 years old. And she had us
[55:59] all over. And I was like, "Wow, Arlene is rich."
And I went into her home and there it is looking
[56:10] out the window. All these trees in the front yard
just like I counted six trees out of her window.
[56:17] I thought, "Wow, if I ever get some money, I'm
going to have me some trees. I don't care about
[56:23] the cars, but I'm going to have me some trees."
And one morning I was sitting in the uh kitchen
[56:29] waiting on the the water to boil making tea and
I looked out the window and there were the six
[56:36] trees. I went whoa. There were those trees that
I'd seen in Arlene's yard. And I walked out around
[56:50] to the porch and I loo counted the trees, but I
couldn't even count all of the trees. I could see
[56:58] the six from the window, but I couldn't see the
hundreds beyond the six through the window. So,
[57:05] I literally You've been to my home. I live in
a forest. Yeah. I had a dream for six trees.
[57:15] My dream was six trees. The life force that I
call God had a bigger dream for me. And that
[57:23] is my message. Whatever dream you're dreaming,
surrender that dream to the force that brought
[57:30] you here, regardless of what name you give that
force. Because what I know is the force by all
[57:36] the names that we call God, ain't jealous
about the name. You know, it's [laughter]
[57:43] ain't going to be jealous about the name. It's not
going to say, "Oh, you didn't call me Allah. You
[57:48] didn't call me Jehovah. You didn't call me God."
Okay? Whatever you call that, whatever that is,
[57:55] the life force that brought you here. Lean into
that dream for you. Cuz there is a dream for your
[58:05] life, for your life, for my life. Don't live in
your little small six tree dream. Don't live it
[58:12] live in the forest of dreams for yourself. Lean
into that. And I think the reason why people are
[58:18] so stuck because they can't see their connection
to the thing that's greater than themselves. Your
[58:24] life isn't this small. It's it it belongs to the
world. It belongs to the world. The reason why
[58:30] we're all here is to give to the world. To give
to myself. To feed myself. to take the lessons
[58:38] that I have learned to go forward to understand
what happened to me happened to me so that I can
[58:43] use it. I was raped so that I could help other
women who were raped. I was not seen so that I
[58:51] could see other people. All the things that I
didn't get, I now can give to other people as
[58:59] can you. As can you as you are doing that's what
it's for. When you say it's all happening for a
[59:05] reason. Oh my goodness. It's happening so that it
feeds and fuels you in a way that you have more
[59:14] to give. That's the lesson that we're missing.
And we're missing it because we're so we're so
[59:20] narrowly tracked. We're like in our phones and and
you think your life is this big. You think your
[59:25] life is this big, but it belongs to the world.
Belongs to the world. And I want you to really
[59:31] pay attention because I remember moments in my
life where my life felt so small. The job I hated,
[59:39] the relationship I didn't have the courage to get
out of, the debt that I was in, the anxiety I was
[59:44] feeling. I've been there, too. I've been there.
And And here's the thing that is hard to believe,
[59:51] but I'm going to say it anyway. Yeah. If you
can get yourself out of bed and if you can get
[59:56] yourself out the door, you can do a little
experiment where you can prove to yourself
[1:00:02] that you are powerful beyond measure. In fact, I
just did it this morning. It was 5:55 and I had
[1:00:08] come out of the hotel and I was walking across a
crosswalk and there was a woman that was walking
[1:00:14] that had her shoulders down and was looking at
the ground and was like frowny face and walking
[1:00:19] and you know it's 5:55 and as I walked up to her
I smiled and just said good morning and she perked
[1:00:27] right up and said well good morning and we just
smiled and had this positive energy exchange. And
[1:00:38] that tiny little thing that you miss that's
right in front of your face is this enormous
[1:00:44] power that you have through your energy and your
attitude to flip a switch inside somebody else.
[1:00:50] I know. And when you do that, you are being of
service. And the energy that you're putting out,
[1:00:57] despite how horrible things may be that are
going on in your life right now, it shows you
[1:01:04] and it shifts it. Yes. Yeah. It doesn't pay the
bills. It doesn't pay the bills, but it shifts
[1:01:10] something in you to know that you still have the
power to positively impact somebody else. And I
[1:01:15] think that's how it begins. Yeah. At least that's
how it began for me. Yeah. Is to notice. And you
[1:01:21] already said it. Every person Yes. You listening,
you have a platform. Your platform is your family,
[1:01:26] your roommate, the people that you work with.
It's the person that you meet or you pass and
[1:01:31] don't smile to. Yeah. And recognizing the power
that you have to impact people positively is how
[1:01:42] you start to center yourself in a deeper source.
That is number one. That certainly recognizing
[1:01:48] that. And the other really crucial thing is the
religion that I practice which is gratitude. I
[1:01:56] will tell you beyond a shadow of any doubt that
I have for any human being who's listening to us
[1:02:03] right now that if you start a sincere consistent
practice of gratitude your life will shift because
[1:02:13] it is energetically vibrationally um it causes
your energy to change and the vibration to change
[1:02:21] and also what you then begin to attract into your
life to change. It's the single greatest thing
[1:02:28] anybody can do from where you are. No matter
how down you are, how stuck you are, is you
[1:02:33] start looking at what you have instead of what
you haven't. And you just practice it. You just
[1:02:38] you just do five things. If you can't do five, do
three. And if you can't get to three, look at your
[1:02:42] breath. Breathe. Breathe. Breathe. You're still
breathing. And I'm thinking for myself when I'm in
[1:02:49] uh in flow is when I'm in my period of gratitude.
I am most in flow and my life most works most
[1:02:59] perfectly when I am in in the gratitude state.
This is the thing I know people listening to this
[1:03:04] think well okay easy to do because you're Oprah. I
got to be Oprah by doing that. M that's how I got
[1:03:13] to be where I am by doing that. Um I you know I
have I have had a practice of honoring that source
[1:03:24] that's greater than myself since I was a little
girl. I mean I grew up speaking in the church
[1:03:31] and having the people say to my grandmother,
"Hatty May, this here is a talking child. You got
[1:03:35] yourself a talking child here." And so talking and
using my voice and being able to express to other
[1:03:45] people and I realize now so people talk about
what is your purpose? What is your purpose? What
[1:03:51] is your purpose? How do you find your purpose?
No matter who you are listening, if you were to
[1:03:56] pass away today, the people who eulogize you would
connect the dots of your life and at your funeral
[1:04:04] or memorial service would talk about what you
offered, what you brought to them. And wherever
[1:04:11] you are in the journey, you are already creating
a thread of purpose that flows through everything
[1:04:19] that you've done. And mine is inspiration and has
been since I was four years old speaking in the
[1:04:27] Kaziesco church standing on a stage reciting and
people saying my my my my little child can talk
[1:04:38] and then being a great an ortor and winning all
of the oratory contests when I was in school. That
[1:04:46] thread of speaking is what prepared me for the
first audition when I sat down to do the radio
[1:04:54] show and then being recognized and brought into
television. That thread has led me to sitting the
[1:05:03] Mel Robbins podcast. [laughter] Okay. That thread
has brought me here today. And everyone listening
[1:05:09] to us has a thread. What's your thread? What is
carried through? What is the thing or theme that
[1:05:16] has been through the course of your life? Mine is
inspiration. What's yours? Encouragement. There
[1:05:21] you go. Yeah. Encouragement. Encouragement.
Yes. That's exactly what you do. Yeah. Cuz I
[1:05:28] think it's easy to have the information or to
get it. Yeah. But if you believe and convince
[1:05:35] yourself it won't work for you, Yeah. you won't
do the things that change your life. That's the
[1:05:39] difference. That's what you do. And so I weave
encouragement through everything because I know
[1:05:44] it's what I've always needed. Yeah. Because when
you can't when you don't believe in yourself,
[1:05:50] being able to borrow somebody else's belief in
your ability can really help. And that's what
[1:05:54] encouragement that's what you do. Yeah. Girl,
you're on it. [laughter] You know, there's a as
[1:06:00] you were talking about purpose, it reminded me of
one of my favorite ways to think about purpose,
[1:06:06] which is that purpose is not the thing that you
do. Purpose is the thing that happens in others
[1:06:14] when you do the thing you do. Oo, I like that one.
I need to write that down. Purpose [laughter] is
[1:06:19] not the thing that you do. Purpose is not the
thing that you do. Yeah. Purpose is the thing that
[1:06:25] happens in others when you do the thing that you
do. I love that, Miss Mel, because it it really
[1:06:34] weaves together what you were saying about how
purpose doesn't have to be this big thing that
[1:06:39] you put on Instagram. It's actually something
very quiet that you practice every day. Yeah.
[1:06:44] And it also ties in what Maya said to you about
it's it's how you make people feel. Yeah. And as
[1:06:52] you start doing the small thing, the small thing
leads I think the problem. One of the I actually
[1:07:00] do think it's a problem um with the way social
media works is that I think a lot of people are
[1:07:08] just constantly bombarded with the lives of other
people and trying to keep up with that. Mh. And so
[1:07:16] you think your life is supposed to look like that
and and it's just coming from every direction.
[1:07:22] Every direction is telling you and you haven't
gotten still enough with yourself. The answers
[1:07:28] are not out there. They just are not out there.
You know the voice of God. God silence is the
[1:07:39] language of God. Silence is the language of God.
And you can't hear it unless you are still enough,
[1:07:50] quiet enough within yourself. The moment you're
asking out there and asking everybody and what
[1:07:54] should I do and what should I do and what should
I do? That's the moment that you get still. And
[1:07:59] even if still is just sitting on the toilet seat
with the door closed, with the door closed. Well,
[1:08:08] for some of us, that's the only place that we can
everybody just to be still, to be able to feel
[1:08:16] what that thing is. It's trying to get through.
There's nobody born that doesn't have it. You
[1:08:21] know, I have a I have a very good friend who
was giving advice to one of my daughters, funny
[1:08:27] enough, and he was saying to her, "Listen, you got
a lot of gifts to give. Don't you dare show up in
[1:08:33] heaven with your pockets full with that song you
didn't sing or that book you didn't write or that
[1:08:38] smile you didn't share. Is there anything left
that you're still wanting to share or teach? Um,
[1:08:48] I was standing in the sphere in Las Vegas
after the Bono concert and I'd gone with
[1:08:55] friends and we'd had the Bono and when it was
all over, I walked to the edge of where we'd
[1:09:04] been seating and they were all behind me and
everybody was over to the side and they were
[1:09:09] all cheering each other because it was the first
performance of you two, Bono at the Sphere. But
[1:09:14] I was standing alone on the side and I had that
feeling, the same one I felt when I was 5 years
[1:09:25] old on the back porch. And it was as clear to me.
It said, "Wow, what just happened here? You could
[1:09:39] take people to the edge of the universe. You could
use this stage, this screen, this window into the
[1:09:47] universe to allow people to connect to themselves
in a way that they have never experienced before.
[1:09:56] You could connect them to the universe and to
themselves and to each other. That is what that
[1:10:02] feeling said to me. It was a voice and it was a
feeling. And it was exactly the same as when I was
[1:10:08] 5 years old. It said, "Huh, this is an incredible
arena, an incredible venue. I I didn't even know
[1:10:16] what I had just seen, but it's not being used
to its maximum potential." You could use it to
[1:10:25] its maximum potential. How do you do that and
share the experience of what it means to be
[1:10:33] fully alive with people? How do you connect
people to the light within themselves using
[1:10:40] the tools of this space? That's what the voice
said to me. This is this was 2023. Wow. 2023. So
[1:10:50] almost three years ago. It's almost three years
ago. And in the beginning, everybody thought was
[1:10:54] thinking of it as a show. And I was like, it's
not a show. It's an experience. It's to be felt,
[1:11:02] not just seen. How do we bring the team together
that can create feelings for people? And so now
[1:11:12] three years later, this dream is being scored by
one of the greatest musical composers on earth,
[1:11:19] Max Richtor. So it's an immersive musical
light experience of people coming together to
[1:11:29] ignite the light within ourselves. You know what
I think is so amazing about this? And I want you
[1:11:33] to really consider everything that Oprah has
poured into you and shared with you today. I
[1:11:40] think it's easy when you're standing in a moment
and you look backwards. Yeah. To see how all the
[1:11:46] dots connect. Yeah. And it requires deep faith to
stand in the present moment and believe that where
[1:11:56] you are is leading you somewhere. Yeah. And it is
much larger and grander than anything you could
[1:12:03] possibly imagine for yourself if you keep walking
in that faith. If you keep telling the truth. If
[1:12:08] you keep staying centered and grounded [clears
throat] in your intention and you follow these
[1:12:15] fundamental laws that you have taught us. The
energy you put out is the energy you get back. I
[1:12:21] think it's really cool that even for somebody like
you Yeah. who has achieved things that are beyond
[1:12:28] our wildest imaginations that here you are doing
something that even 5 years ago was not even on
[1:12:37] your radar. Wasn't on my radar. Was not something
you would have possibly imagined was a thing. No.
[1:12:42] And so it proves yet again. Yeah. how when you're
clear about the way you're showing up and serving
[1:12:49] the world and you're clear about the reason why
you're here, which is inspiration. Yeah. That life
[1:12:57] does rise up. Yeah. And I my my prayer has always
been use me. Show me how. Show me. Show me. Show
[1:13:04] me. Show me. What is the next? Is there a next?
Oh, you just want me to rest? I'll do that, too.
[1:13:11] uh by actually being in conversation with
the life force within me has led me to the
[1:13:20] highest grounds possible for myself and I've
been asking that how can I be used I mean I
[1:13:25] am 72 and very much aware of the urgency of time
very much aware that I have one solid good decade
[1:13:40] left very much aware. So I'm looking at my life as
though I am going I have one solid decade left to
[1:13:49] give and offer the message that I came to give and
to do it with clarity and do it with love and do
[1:13:58] it without ego and to do it as an offering to say
this is why I came. I think we should all steal
[1:14:05] what you said when you said, "I believe I have
a decade to do what I came to do." Yeah. And I
[1:14:16] don't care how young or old you are. Imagine if
you started living as if you had a decade. You
[1:14:24] had a decade to do what you came here to do. And
how that focus shifts your intention. You know,
[1:14:32] the big dream for me right now is the sphere,
but I also realize in every day um in every in
[1:14:41] my everyday life that every encounter that people
are that people are seeing me and that I feel like
[1:14:49] it is my responsibility to actually also see them
as well. It's beautiful. Yeah. I want to read to
[1:14:56] you page 79. Mhm. What I know for sure. Okay. What
did I know then? Well, when you make loving others
[1:15:04] the story of your life, oh, there's never a
final chapter because the legacy continues,
[1:15:10] you lend your light to one person and he or she
shines it on another and another and another.
[1:15:17] And I know for sure that in the final analysis
of our lives, when the to-do lists are no more,
[1:15:23] when the frenzy is finished, when our email boxes
are empty, the only thing that will have any
[1:15:29] lasting value is whether we've loved others and
whether [music] they've loved us. And I can tell
[1:15:37] you for sure that I know for sure that you loved
us and we all love you. Thank you. Thank you.
[1:15:46] Thank you. Thank you. Oprah Winfrey, what
are your parting words? [sighs and gasps]
[1:16:01] My parting words are, "You were born to
fulfill the dream of your life here on Earth.
[1:16:14] You were born into this planet, into the density
of this gravitational [music] pull to fulfill the
[1:16:25] dream of your life and of the creator's dream of
your life here on earth. Get about the business
[1:16:35] of doing that. [laughter] You heard her. Get
about the business of doing that. That's right.
[1:16:42] about the business. I love you, Oprah Winfrey.
I love you too, Mel. Thank you for having me. Oh
[1:16:47] my gosh. Thank you. And thank you. Thank you for
making the time. [music] Thank you for spending
[1:16:51] it with me and Oprah. And thank you for being
generous with this conversation with the people
[1:16:57] in your life. It is a gift that you can give to
other people that will inspire them, awaken them,
[1:17:03] remind them. And in case no one else tells you
today, as your friend, I wanted to be sure to
[1:17:08] tell you that I love you. I believe in you. And I
believe in your ability to create a better life.
[1:17:13] Now get about the business of freaking doing
it. Of freaking doing it. [laughter] Can you
[1:17:18] believe that episode just happened? I mean, it's
24 hours later and I'm now sitting back in the
[1:17:24] seat. I cannot believe Oprah was there. I'm so
thrilled that you were here with us. I know that
[1:17:30] it stirred something deep [music] inside you. And
here's what I hope. I hope that you are generous
[1:17:36] with this episode. that if it awakened something
in you, if you were reminded of something that
[1:17:42] you needed to hear, that you copy and paste
this link and you share this with everybody
[1:17:47] in your life because [music] that episode of
the Mel Robbins podcast is an offering to the
[1:17:53] world and to everybody that you love. [music]
So, thank you in advance for being generous
[1:17:57] and helping us spread the power of good around
[music] the world. I really appreciate that.
[1:18:04] Okay, I know that now that you're inspired, you
want to watch something else. This is going to be
[1:18:08] an extraordinary episode for you to watch next.
And I'll welcome you in the moment you hit play.