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Identity Over Information: WhyBehavior Change Starts Inside

Lewis Howes
Lewis Howes
Sep 16, 2026
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A patient in her late 40s sat across the desk, blood pressure rising, intelligence intact, motivation genuine. She'd heard all the evidence about exercise. She understood the pathways to better health. She wanted to change. Then she said something that stopped the conversation cold: "I'm just not an exercise person. I never have been. It's just not me."

That single sentence—delivered to family physician Dr. Kim Foster over the course of two decades of clinical practice—revealed something that all the research papers and pharmaceutical intervention in the world could never touch. Behavior is not a consequence of information. It is a consequence of identity. Foster recognized in that moment that she had been treating a symptom when the disease lay underneath: her patient had accumulated evidence her whole life that she was "the bookish one" while her sister was "the sporty one." The identity was set. And identity, not intellect, writes the script for how we live.

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The Gap Between What We Know and What We Do

Foster spent twenty years in family medicine watching the same pattern repeat. Motivated patients. Intelligent patients. Patients in pain or afraid of what their family history promised them. She would give them the evidence, the plan, the reasoning. Vegetables. Sleep. Regular movement. All the information they needed to make the change they said they wanted.

Then they would leave, walk out into their lives, and nothing would stick.

"I became really curious about that gap," Foster says in conversation with Lewis Howes. The gap wasn't knowledge. The gap wasn't willpower. When she looked at the patients who actually changed—who didn't cycle back to old patterns by Thursday—the difference wasn't what they knew. It was who they believed they were.

That late-40s patient had offered every rational objection: three jobs, three kids, no time, too exhausted. Foster had an answer for each one. Ten-minute workouts. Home-based exercise. Even the tactical advice: lay your workout clothes out the night before. But none of it mattered, because underneath each objection was a bedrock identity statement, as solid and unquestionable as eye color. "I'm just not an exercise person."

The inverse was equally revealing. Foster had a 70-year-old male patient, robust and fit in an age when many of his peers were showing the wear of decades of sedentary life. He carried a different identity entirely. "I'm a skier. I'm an active guy. I need to get back out there. I've always taken care of myself." That identity had authored his choices his whole life. It wasn't that he had more willpower or better genetics. He had a different story about who he was—and that story had shaped every decision.

How Identity Becomes an Instruction Manual

Once Foster began to hear it, she heard it everywhere. The identity statements people volunteer about themselves, delivered with the certainty of fact. I'm not a morning person. I'm bad with money. I'm not creative. I'm a night owl. I'm not that kind of healthy eater. Each one functions as an instruction manual for the nervous system, a boundary that feels immovable because it's been reinforced by years of behavioral proof.

When we act against our identity—even when we know cognitively that the action is good for us—the brain doesn't register virtue or long-term benefit. It registers friction. Conflict. A violation of the internal operating system. That friction is why behavior change so often fails: we're running new apps on an old operating system, and the system crashes on the hard days, in the stressed moments, when willpower runs low and the brain retreats to what it knows.

The patient who finally gives up on exercise isn't failing because she lacks information about workouts. She's failing because every time she tries to exercise, her identity is sitting in the passenger seat saying, "This isn't who we are. We're the bookish one. Stop wasting energy on something that doesn't fit."

The Three-Part Method: Recognize, Redesign, Collect Proof

Foster developed a three-part framework for shifting identity, the core teaching of her book Redesigning You. The first step is recognition—and it's often the hardest, because by the time we're adults, we've accumulated so much evidence that we are a certain kind of person that the identity feels like objective fact.

The brain has become a prosecutor building a case: "You've never been good at mornings. Remember last Tuesday? You hit snooze. Remember college? You always slept until noon." The evidence file is thick. Asking yourself to adopt a new identity in the face of that much contradictory proof triggers a response Foster describes as the brain's natural skepticism: "Interesting. Based on what?"

This is where the second step becomes critical: redesign. But not with affirmations that your brain will immediately reject as fantasy. Instead, Foster introduces the concept of the bridge identity—a small, believable stretch from where you are now. Not "I am an athlete" (too far, your brain rejects it instantly) but "I am someone who takes a 10-minute walk three times a week." Not "I am a healthy eater" but "I am someone who eats vegetables at lunch."

The bridge identity must be credible enough that your nervous system doesn't immediately trigger the defense mechanism. It's a plausible identity shift, an identity your brain can actually accept rather than dismiss as motivational fantasy. This is the operating system you're installing.

The third step is where transformation actually becomes real: collect proof. Once you've adopted the bridge identity, you go out and log evidence. You do the walk. You eat the vegetable. You write it down. You're not trying to become someone different through force of will; you're gathering empirical evidence that you are someone different. The brain needs data. Give it data.

"So then you need to start to log actual evidence and gather some proof for that," Foster explains. Over time, as the evidence accumulates, the bridge identity becomes solid ground, and a new bridge can be built from there. The operating system updates itself, not through affirmation or cognitive override, but through the only language the nervous system truly understands: repeated experience.

The Personal Cost of a Chosen Identity

Foster didn't only watch this play out in her clinic. She lived it.

She loved medicine. By all accounts, she was excellent at it. But somewhere in the arc of her practice, something shifted. The identity she'd built—physician, healer, trusted voice in her community—began to constrain rather than expand her sense of possibility. She walked into the woods behind her clinic after suturing a patient's hand and felt the clarity of absolute certainty: she didn't want to go back.

She wrote her resignation letter. Then the pandemic came, and she faced a choice: leave during the worst moment, abandon her colleagues and patients in crisis, or stay. She stayed. The identity she'd worn for two decades held her in place through an entire wave of collective emergency. She performed the role even as something inside was signaling that the role no longer fit.

Her last day arrived in her birthday month. She sat in her car and cried for fifteen minutes—not from regret, but from the release of holding an identity that had served her once but had become a prison. Then she drove home with the windows down, free.

It's a moment that reveals something crucial about identity work: we don't shift identities because we lack commitment or because we're quitters. We shift them because the self we've built, however successfully, reaches a moment of incompatibility with who we're becoming. The recognition phase can be painful. It can feel like betrayal. But the alternative—staying locked in an identity that no longer serves—is its own kind of death.

The Moment That Teaches Self-Doubt

During her medical training, Foster was performing CPR on a patient in cardiac arrest. She was in the moment, hands on ribs, counting compressions, doing the work her training had prepared her to do. Then she felt them crack—a rib breaking under the force required to save a life.

In that instant, self-doubt moved in. She hesitated. The impulse was to stop, to protect, to second-guess.

A senior resident nearby nodded at her. One gesture. "Keep going." That nod said: you are exactly who you need to be right now; the breaking rib is not a sign you're failing; it's evidence you're doing the hard thing correctly.

Self-doubt, Foster realized, is not a sign that you're the wrong person for the task. It's often a sign that you're doing something real, something that matters, something at the edge of your capability. The identity moment—the moment when you choose to believe you're the kind of person who can act despite doubt—is often decided by a single gesture of confirmation from someone who sees you clearly.

Where to Go From Here

The work of identity redesign is not a linear path from old self to new self. It's iterative. It requires you to become a detective of your own language—catching the identity statements you make about money, about sleep, about confidence, about relationships, the things you say as though they're neutral facts about your nature. Once you hear them, you get to argue back. You get to ask: Is this true? Is this still serving me? Who would I be if I let go of this?

The operating system change is the infrastructure. The new apps—the habits, the behaviors, the practices—will only stick if they run on compatible code. Start with the bridge identity: small enough to believe, credible enough to act on. Then collect proof. Let your lived experience become the evidence that rewrites your self-concept. Identity shapes behavior, and behavior shapes identity. The two are not separate. They're a feedback loop, and you get to write the first line.

Transcript

[0:00] There was one [music] patient late 40s,

[0:02] um, a little bit overweight, her blood

[0:04] pressure was going up, and she knew that

[0:06] she wanted to exercise. [music] I was

[0:08] supporting her on this, so we were

[0:09] talking about different things that she

[0:12] could do. I made [music] some

[0:13] suggestions. At one point, she said,

[0:15] "This is great, Dr. Foster. Thank you."

[0:17] But the thing is, I'm just not an

[0:19] exercise person. I never have been. It's

[0:22] just not me. And at that moment, I

[0:25] thought, "Oh, this is not an information

[0:28] problem. This is an [music] identity

[0:30] problem.

[0:31] >> She's a formerly trained family

[0:33] physician. She's an author and one of

[0:35] the clearest voices on why lasting

[0:37] change starts with identity. Today's

[0:39] guest is Dr. [music] Kim Foster.

[0:41] >> This is one of the key reasons why it's

[0:43] so hard to change identities. Because up

[0:46] until this point, your brain [music] has

[0:48] had a whole lot of evidence that you are

[0:50] this kind of person. So you can look at

[0:51] yourself in the mirror and say, "I'm

[0:53] very confident." But your mind [music]

[0:54] is like interesting based on what?

[0:57] What's the framework for creating a new

[1:00] identity?

[1:00] >> So there's three [music] parts. So

[1:02] recognize is the first and that for many

[1:05] of us is the hardest part.

[1:10] >> You spent two decades as a physician

[1:12] telling people essentially how to

[1:14] improve their lives. But you also

[1:16] observed very few people that changed

[1:18] their identity in this process. Why is

[1:20] it so difficult for so many of us to

[1:23] shift our identity even though we know

[1:25] what to do? But how to shift our

[1:28] identity seems so challenging.

[1:30] >> Yeah. Well, you're right. I mean, the

[1:32] identity piece is the key there. So, I

[1:35] did spend two decades working as a

[1:37] family doctor and I saw people come in

[1:40] all day long and I would give them

[1:43] advice, the the stuff that I had been

[1:45] trained to do. So trained to tell people

[1:47] what they needed to do, how they needed

[1:49] to do it, give them the evidence, give

[1:52] all of those pieces, and then they would

[1:55] walk out motivated. So these are people

[1:57] who are intelligent, they're motivated,

[1:59] they have a lot at stake,

[2:01] >> and they're in pain or something, right?

[2:02] >> They're in pain. They're scared for what

[2:05] is coming for them or what has already

[2:07] happened or what their family has

[2:09] history would tell them is coming for

[2:10] them. So they would really be very

[2:13] motivated to change. So motivation was

[2:15] not the problem and information was not

[2:17] the problem and they would walk out and

[2:20] then I'd see them months again later and

[2:23] nothing had changed. Or maybe they had

[2:25] changed something for a short time, they

[2:27] tried and then they'd kind of stopped.

[2:30] They fell off. They went back to old

[2:32] habits, old patterns. And I became

[2:35] really curious about that because

[2:38] >> you know I like to think that I was

[2:40] pretty good at giving explanations and

[2:42] uh you know helping people to

[2:44] understand. I like that piece of it to

[2:46] educate them and help them understand

[2:48] why it was important and what they

[2:49] needed to do. So regular exercise and

[2:52] getting more sleep and we know all the

[2:54] stuff we know vegetables are involved

[2:56] all of that stuff.

[2:58] >> So I became very curious about that gap.

[3:01] So what is that gap? M

[3:04] >> um and over time well I remember

[3:06] actually there was one patient who uh

[3:09] she was late 40s um a little bit

[3:12] overweight her blood pressure was going

[3:14] up and she knew that she wanted to

[3:16] exercise get started exercising and I

[3:19] was supporting her on this so we were

[3:20] talking about different things that she

[3:23] could do and uh I made some suggestions

[3:26] you know you could uh doesn't need to

[3:28] take or she had objections right the

[3:30] usual objections like I don't have much

[3:33] time. So I said, "Well, that's no

[3:35] problem. 10 minutes even at a time can

[3:38] make a difference. There's research on

[3:39] that." Giving her all the information,

[3:41] right?

[3:42] >> There's all these excuses of why we

[3:43] can't do something that's better for us.

[3:45] >> Yeah. Yeah. There's always reasons and

[3:47] they sound very rational.

[3:49] >> I've got three jobs. I've got three

[3:51] kids. I've got no time. I'm exhausted

[3:53] already. How could I find more time to

[3:55] do this? Struggling in these areas. It

[3:57] all sounds

[3:58] >> rational, I guess. Right.

[4:00] >> Exactly. And then it was like, "Oh, I

[4:02] don't like going to the gym." And I was,

[4:03] "No problem. You can do all kinds of

[4:05] things at home." Um, and so I had all

[4:08] these things. And then at one point she

[4:10] said, "This is great, Dr. Foster. Thank

[4:12] you. I really appreciate this. But the

[4:14] thing is, I'm just not an exercise

[4:16] person. I never have been. It's just not

[4:19] me." And at that moment, I thought,

[4:22] >> "Oh, this is not an information problem.

[4:25] This is an identity problem. she just

[4:28] really does not see herself as someone

[4:30] who exercises. And then she went a

[4:33] little bit further and said that her

[4:34] sister was always the one who was the

[4:36] sporty one and she was the bookish one.

[4:39] Right? So she had it had come from what

[4:42] her family had told her, the roles that

[4:44] she'd played, all of that that she'd

[4:46] accumulated. And then she just really

[4:47] didn't see herself as someone who

[4:50] exercised. So, it didn't matter how

[4:52] bite-size I made it or how easy I made

[4:54] it or lay your workout clothes out the

[4:57] night before, all of that. If she just

[4:59] ultimately did not see herself as

[5:01] someone who exercised, it was just never

[5:03] really going to stick. She was it was

[5:05] friction every time she was trying to

[5:08] enact that behavior. And so once I saw

[5:12] that though, I could see that that

[5:14] applied across the board for so many

[5:18] things that we tried to change, not

[5:20] just, you know, so exercise or eating

[5:22] well. I had a guy who many people who

[5:24] would say, you know, I'm not a health

[5:25] nut, so don't talk to me about like

[5:28] lentils and things like and but if you

[5:31] have this identity of you being this

[5:34] kind of person or not that kind of

[5:36] person, then it is absolutely going to

[5:39] just be your instruction manual for how

[5:41] you live your life, the choices that you

[5:44] make. And

[5:45] >> when people say these identity

[5:47] statements, it sounds like fact. It

[5:50] sounds like it's the truth, like it's a

[5:52] neutral fact, like eye color or your

[5:55] height or something like I'm not an

[5:57] exercise person. I'm a night owl,

[5:59] whatever. You know, we have all these

[6:01] identity statements. Um, and once I

[6:03] started hearing people saying these

[6:05] things, it really it just I heard it all

[6:08] the time and I began to recognize it as

[6:11] that's the difference maker. That's the

[6:13] thing. Um, because I certainly also had

[6:16] patients who had more empowering

[6:18] identities. M

[6:20] >> um I had this 70-year-old guy who was

[6:22] very fit and like a big strong guy who

[6:26] had been active his whole life and I cuz

[6:30] in your you know 60s7s that's when you

[6:32] really start to see the differences in

[6:34] how you have lived your life because

[6:36] there I certainly had many patients who

[6:38] were in those decades who were not

[6:40] looking quite so robust and fit and

[6:43] strong. Um but he was and he was waiting

[6:46] for a a knee surgery but he was a skier

[6:49] and he was frustrated because it was

[6:52] meaning that he was losing out missing

[6:54] out on the ski season um being on this

[6:57] waiting list and because I was curious

[6:59] about him. I was curious about what had

[7:01] made it so that his life he had chosen

[7:03] this particular trajectory but the way

[7:06] the language that he used was I'm a

[7:08] skier. I'm an active guy. I need to get

[7:10] back out there. I've always taken care

[7:12] of myself. So, he had these empowering

[7:16] identity statements that he's

[7:17] volunteered for how he saw himself, what

[7:21] his self-concept was, and that had

[7:23] dictated his choices through his whole

[7:26] lifetime. So, if we have an identity

[7:29] that says, "I'm just not a workout type

[7:31] person or I'm just not a healthy eater

[7:33] type of person." But then we know we're

[7:36] supposed to start eating healthier if

[7:37] it's going to solve a health problem we

[7:39] have or something an ailment we have.

[7:42] Eating better, sleeping better, moving

[7:44] more is going to help that pain. But if

[7:46] we have an identity that says, "No,

[7:48] you're not that person. You're this

[7:50] person." and we start taking those

[7:53] actions that we know are better for us

[7:55] but go against our identity. What

[7:58] ultimately happens when we go against

[8:00] our identity even for good?

[8:02] >> Yeah. When we go against identity even

[8:05] though we know cognitively it's for our

[8:08] own good. It's going to lead somewhere

[8:10] that we want it to go. But every time

[8:13] you do that action, it creates friction

[8:15] and it creates like an identity mismatch

[8:19] >> because then and our brains do not like

[8:21] that kind of you know disconnect or this

[8:25] in congruence. So we are we have a

[8:28] belief about oursel on one level and

[8:30] then we have what we're doing what the

[8:33] actions and behaviors that we're doing

[8:35] on another level and that feels

[8:38] uncomfortable.

[8:39] So our minds are looking to resolve

[8:42] those kinds of conflicts and that kind

[8:44] of cognitive dissonance. And uh there's

[8:49] two different ways to resolve that

[8:50] conflict. Obviously you can stop going

[8:53] to the gym or you can start considering

[8:55] yourself to be an athlete and and change

[8:58] your identity. And the easier thing for

[9:00] us to do is to just stop doing the

[9:02] behavior that feels uncomfortable and

[9:04] just to go back to what feels

[9:06] comfortable, what feels safe,

[9:08] >> familiar,

[9:08] >> familiar, what gives us because we can

[9:11] get a lot out of identities that aren't

[9:13] even particularly u positive.

[9:16] >> If it sometimes it gives us a feeling of

[9:18] safety or a feeling of belonging. If

[9:21] it's especially it's in your social

[9:23] circle, everybody is kind of the same.

[9:25] So you feel like you belong there. you

[9:27] know who you are in that role in that

[9:30] identity. So even though you might know

[9:34] that is better for you, it's not what

[9:36] feels right, it doesn't feel safe. And

[9:40] uh our our brains, you know, our job,

[9:42] the our primitive brain job is to help

[9:45] us to survive. So if something feels

[9:48] like this is not safe, this is not

[9:50] right, this doesn't I've never done this

[9:52] before, so it's not guaranteed with my

[9:55] survival because this is new. Um, so our

[9:58] brains are going to want to default to

[10:00] patterns that feel safe, normal, new,

[10:03] familiar, what everyone else around us

[10:04] is doing, even though we know it would

[10:07] be better.

[10:08] >> Isn't it interesting? You could be in

[10:09] the worst situation of your life or the

[10:12] worst relationship of your life or the

[10:14] worst body of your life, but the unknown

[10:19] of taking the actions that will support

[10:22] you are more frightening than the actual

[10:27] fear of the familiarity of the

[10:29] environment you're in right now. It's

[10:31] like it seems crazy when you're not in

[10:34] that situation to be able to see someone

[10:36] else's situation and say just leave,

[10:38] just start working out. Just get rid of

[10:40] that career if it's driving you crazy.

[10:42] If that relationship is killing you,

[10:44] literally get out. It seems easy to tell

[10:46] someone else, but when you're in that

[10:48] identity, it seems so scary of the

[10:50] unknown on what's the other side, right?

[10:53] >> Yeah. Exactly. Because our our mind's

[10:55] job isn't to be like, "Oh, what would be

[10:57] really great for my growth or my

[10:59] development? what's inspiring like our

[11:01] primitive brains just want us to survive

[11:04] and so yeah I mean you can you you can

[11:07] for a while right convince yourself that

[11:09] this is better um but it's ultimately

[11:12] you're going to when you're busy when

[11:13] you're tired when you're stressed you're

[11:15] going to start to default back so you

[11:18] know you can be motivated on a good day

[11:20] and uh and feel inspired to do a

[11:24] particular thing that you know is better

[11:25] for you when you are well rested and

[11:28] don't have a lot going on and all of

[11:30] those pieces. But when it rains, when

[11:32] it's you're cold, tired, sick, have a

[11:36] super busy week, then it's so much

[11:38] easier just to default back to what is

[11:40] safe.

[11:40] >> I mean, so how does someone actually

[11:42] change their identity? And how quick can

[11:45] you change your identity? Does it take

[11:47] months, years, decades, or can you

[11:49] change your identity in a moment?

[11:51] >> Yeah, this is a great question and this

[11:53] is the key because it sounds it sounds

[11:55] really simple. Just change your

[11:56] identity. just decide to be somebody

[11:58] different and you can make that decision

[12:02] quickly and overnight once you become

[12:04] aware and really that's kind of that is

[12:06] a big key is becoming aware because like

[12:08] I said most people just report these

[12:11] identity statements like it's just fact

[12:13] once you become aware of it and once you

[12:14] realize that you want to change and

[12:18] adopt a new more empowering identity you

[12:20] can make that decision right away but

[12:23] it's the stabilization that takes a

[12:26] And that process requires proof. So your

[12:30] mind because this is why it is this is

[12:33] one of the key reasons why it's so hard

[12:35] to change our identities because up

[12:37] until this point your brain has had a

[12:40] whole lot of evidence that you are this

[12:42] kind of person. So um you know let's say

[12:46] that you you are you don't feel very

[12:48] confident. You want to be because it's

[12:49] not just health right of course this

[12:50] applies to so many different realms. Um,

[12:53] you want to be socially confident, but

[12:55] you've always identified yourself as

[12:57] really awkward,

[12:58] >> introverted, shy.

[12:59] >> Introverted, shy. Yes, that was me as a

[13:01] kid. Um, but so you can decide that you

[13:05] want that, but your brain has got so

[13:08] much evidence to the contrary. So you

[13:10] can look at yourself in the mirror and

[13:12] say, I'm very confident, but your mind

[13:14] is like interesting based on what?

[13:16] >> There's no evidence yet.

[13:17] >> Yeah, no evidence.

[13:18] >> So it's like one day at a time.

[13:20] >> So you need to start to gather proof. So

[13:22] you need to start to log actual evidence

[13:25] that you can do things in a different

[13:28] way. Um, however, it can be very

[13:31] difficult if you just try to leap

[13:32] straight from like I'm super awkward and

[13:35] shy

[13:36] >> to I am like a socially confident social

[13:38] butterfly. That's just and your brain is

[13:40] just going to reject that completely.

[13:42] And that's often why affirmations like

[13:44] big grandiose affirmations do not work

[13:46] for people. But if you can choose what I

[13:49] call a bridge identity. So

[13:51] >> bridge identity.

[13:52] >> Bridge identity. Yeah. So something that

[13:54] is it's a bit of a stretch but it's not

[13:57] the full way. It's one step away. So if

[14:01] you're let's go back to the socially

[14:03] confident. So instead of saying I'm

[14:05] super socially confident uh in environ

[14:08] all environments, it could be I'm

[14:10] somebody who is embracing the challenge

[14:12] of starting one new conversation each

[14:14] day. I'm somebody who can start up a

[14:17] conversation even when I feel

[14:19] uncomfortable or something like that,

[14:21] right? Like it's it's just one little

[14:23] step off of and it's believable, but

[14:26] it's also a stretch and then you go out

[14:29] and gather some proof for that. So then

[14:32] you put yourself into a situation and

[14:34] you just do that one little action even

[14:36] though it feels really uncomfortable and

[14:38] then you have to to really make that pay

[14:43] attention to that piece of action and so

[14:46] that you can internalize it and say

[14:48] >> okay that's what I did I kept that

[14:51] promise to myself and then you keep

[14:53] going and eventually

[14:54] >> you call that you call that the

[14:55] stabilization time. Yeah, that's that's

[14:57] when you have to you're stabilizing the

[14:59] identity so that it actually becomes

[15:02] real to you and so that your mind

[15:03] actually starts to believe it and

[15:06] importantly believes it even when some

[15:10] contrary evidence shows up like even

[15:13] when maybe something didn't go so great

[15:15] that you wanted it to. Because that's

[15:18] another key is that when you have a

[15:21] particular identity of yourself as

[15:22] somebody in particular and then um you

[15:26] know something happens that is in

[15:29] accordance with that you're like see not

[15:31] me right so like

[15:32] >> it goes back to the old belief

[15:34] >> it goes back to the old belief yeah I

[15:35] knew that that I knew that I wasn't

[15:37] somebody who could do that that's

[15:38] whatever um but it's when you have an

[15:42] identity that is upgraded from that

[15:44] those contrary pieces of of evidence can

[15:46] you still have a bad day. You can still

[15:48] skip a run, but it doesn't shake who you

[15:52] actually fundamentally believe yourself

[15:54] to be. If you still believe yourself to

[15:55] be a runner, it rains, you decide not to

[15:57] go, it doesn't mean you're not a runner

[15:59] anymore. Just means that you just

[16:01] decided to give yourself a break that

[16:02] one day. But somebody who doesn't think

[16:04] of themselves as a runner is going to be

[16:06] like, "Oh, yeah. See, I skipped that

[16:07] run. I knew that it wasn't for me. I

[16:10] knew that's never been me anyway."

[16:12] >> She calls the bridge.

[16:13] >> Yeah. Bridge identities.

[16:14] >> Bridge identities.

[16:16] Mhm.

[16:16] >> What's the framework for creating a new

[16:20] identity? Then you have this three-part

[16:21] framework. Recognize, redesign,

[16:23] ritualize.

[16:25] >> What is that and how do we use that?

[16:27] >> Yes. So, exactly like you said. So,

[16:29] there's three parts. So, recognize is

[16:32] the first and that for many of us is s

[16:35] is the hardest part because like I said,

[16:38] we have just believed a certain thing

[16:40] about ourselves and we've been logging

[16:42] proof for our whole lifetime. Um, and so

[16:44] it just sounds like a fact. So you have

[16:46] to really start to recognize, well, what

[16:48] is the identity that I have been

[16:50] operating as? And and then start to call

[16:54] that into question. Is that true? Does

[16:57] that have to always be true? Where did

[16:59] that come from? Who told me that that

[17:02] was true?

[17:03] >> You know, those kinds of questions. Just

[17:05] really recognizing that it's not the

[17:07] truth. It's just an just a story that

[17:11] you have been telling yourself about

[17:12] what's possible for you, what's not

[17:15] possible for you. And then once you have

[17:17] kind of detached yourself a little from

[17:20] the stone cold truth of this identity

[17:23] story that you've been telling yourself,

[17:25] then it's a redesign. So then you get to

[17:28] really identify, okay, what is the who

[17:32] do I need to be for my next chapter? I

[17:34] have this goal. I have something that I

[17:35] would like to achieve. Who is the person

[17:38] who achieves that? Who is the person

[17:40] that be that acts like that has that um

[17:44] life? And and then and that's the fun

[17:46] part too is to really start to re

[17:48] >> imagine a dream.

[17:50] >> Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. And you get to redesign

[17:52] a a new um a new identity for yourself.

[17:56] But then the third part is the key

[17:58] that's ritualized because then that's

[18:00] really what I was talking about is you

[18:01] have to go out there and log proof

[18:03] because it's not just a thought

[18:05] exercise. Guys, it's not good enough to

[18:06] just choose a new identity and just be

[18:08] like, "Okay, job done." Um, you really

[18:11] have to go out there and start to

[18:13] collect proof in tiny, small, probably

[18:17] uncomfortable ways in the beginning and

[18:19] then you start to it becomes part of who

[18:22] you are and then su eventually you wake

[18:24] up and you're like actually I am this

[18:26] kind of person now.

[18:28] >> Now for two decades you worked as a

[18:30] family doctor. Mhm.

[18:32] >> When did you realize that you didn't

[18:34] want to be in that practice anymore or

[18:37] you wanted to reimagine your your work

[18:40] and how hard was it to let go of an old

[18:43] identity of being a doctor?

[18:45] >> I mean I had been practicing for 20

[18:46] years and I mean ultimately I ended up

[18:48] practicing for 20 years. It was it was a

[18:50] few years before that that I started to

[18:53] feel called to help people in a

[18:56] different way

[18:57] >> because as a doctor so much of my work

[19:00] happened after something had already

[19:02] gone wrong. So somebody had developed

[19:04] heart disease, diabetes, chronic pain or

[19:08] they were so exhausted and overwhelmed

[19:11] that uh their health was really starting

[19:13] to suffer. And I kept thinking I want to

[19:16] get further upstream here. I wanted to

[19:19] help people to change their choices and

[19:21] their behavior and how they thought

[19:24] about themselves. Yeah. When there was

[19:26] still possibility ahead. Um and at the

[19:29] same time I started to feel an

[19:31] increasingly strong pull like a creative

[19:34] pull. So I wanted to create stuff of my

[19:37] own and write and speak and um you know

[19:41] do things like that. And uh so I started

[19:45] dabbling a little. I started making some

[19:47] YouTube videos on the side. I started

[19:49] writing. I started coaching. And I got

[19:53] to a point where I realized that this

[19:56] thing that I was doing on the side was

[19:58] really that was the work that I wanted

[20:00] to do.

[20:00] >> Yeah.

[20:01] >> You loved it.

[20:02] >> I loved it. I loved it. And it was it

[20:04] was meeting all of my, you know, inner

[20:07] need for that sense of meaning and

[20:09] helping people upstream, all of those

[20:12] pieces. However, just knowing what I

[20:14] wanted to do again was not enough

[20:16] because I had a very ingrained identity

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[21:20] >> You know, probably since you were a

[21:22] teenager, you're in college. You're

[21:23] like, I'm going to go to med school and

[21:24] I'm going to be in residency and then

[21:25] I'm going to be a doctor. And it's like

[21:27] your whole adult life.

[21:29] >> Yes.

[21:29] >> Was around an identity.

[21:31] >> Yes.

[21:31] >> You talked about being a doctor. You met

[21:33] with patients every day. You you got

[21:36] your credibility from this as well. You

[21:38] got so many things from you got your

[21:40] money from this. All these things came

[21:42] from being a doctor.

[21:44] >> Yeah.

[21:44] >> So leaving that identity must be

[21:46] challenging.

[21:47] >> It was incredibly challenging. It took

[21:48] me a long time to actually realize that

[21:52] that so much of my identity was wrapped

[21:55] up in this. And yes, exactly. I decided

[21:57] when I was 17 that I wanted to go to

[21:59] medical school. And so everything from

[22:02] that point onwards was because being an

[22:05] achiever good student type I was like

[22:08] okay that's the goal now what do I need

[22:10] to do to get there then it was just a

[22:11] matter of execute so I needed to get the

[22:13] grades I needed to write the MCAT like I

[22:15] needed to do all the things and then get

[22:17] into medical school and now okay get

[22:20] through med school and so I really

[22:22] adopted what I realized later is that I

[22:26] adopted a survivor

[22:28] >> identity really. So, yes, because I I

[22:32] >> survive this. Survive the test, survive

[22:34] med school, survive the residency,

[22:36] >> stick it out, no matter what, no matter

[22:38] how hard things get. Um, and

[22:41] >> 16 hour days, no sleep, whatever it

[22:43] takes.

[22:44] >> Yeah. There were times in the hospital

[22:45] when I'd be like in residency

[22:48] especially, I'd be so exhausted. I'd

[22:50] been working so many hours, it's middle

[22:52] of the night, the pager goes off again,

[22:54] and I just wanted to ignore it,

[22:57] >> go to sleep,

[22:58] >> go back. Yeah. and I'd put my head down,

[23:01] cry for a minute, and then get pull

[23:04] myself together, walk out, and do the

[23:07] thing that needed to be done.

[23:08] >> Survive.

[23:08] >> Survive.

[23:09] >> One more call.

[23:10] >> Yeah. Just keep going. So, when I

[23:12] reached a point in my medical career

[23:15] where I was like, I need to I need to

[23:17] make this move. I need this new chapter.

[23:19] I need to go. My survivor had a lot to

[23:22] say about that. My survivor was like,

[23:24] this is hard. No problem. We can do

[23:27] hard. Keep going. And so I really had to

[23:32] understand that endurance isn't a virtue

[23:34] in all situations. Sometimes you need to

[23:38] know when to make a choice. Just because

[23:40] you can keep going, it doesn't mean that

[23:42] you have to keep going. And that the

[23:45] strength can come from making a choice,

[23:47] especially making an unconventional

[23:49] choice. and walking away from something

[23:52] that I get a lot of validation from

[23:55] status like you know it was very

[23:58] confusing for a lot of people why I

[24:01] would actually

[24:01] >> why would you walk away from this this

[24:02] is what you worked for your whole life

[24:04] >> oh and the sunk cost this is who you are

[24:06] the sunk cost was was huge

[24:07] >> medical school or this the investment

[24:09] >> why would you throw this all away why

[24:11] would you throw it all away and and I

[24:14] was asking myself that too like it

[24:16] wasn't just people external to me saying

[24:18] why would you throw it although I

[24:19] certainly had that. But it was it was

[24:22] yeah that feeling of I invested so much

[24:25] and now I'm just going to walk away.

[24:26] That's crazy. Who does that? And so that

[24:29] was really hard. And what I came to

[24:32] realize what I the permission that I

[24:34] gave myself on that is that I didn't get

[24:37] that education to limit my life. I

[24:40] didn't get it so that I could only do

[24:42] this one thing forever and ever until I

[24:45] die. Um, I gave it to my I gave myself

[24:49] that education because I wanted to have

[24:51] a meaningful life. And I couldn't have

[24:54] foretold when I was 17 that I was going

[24:56] to reach a point that it didn't feel

[24:58] like it was giving me that meaningful

[25:00] life anymore. But I had to give myself

[25:01] permission to just let that go. And it

[25:04] also didn't mean that none of that stuff

[25:06] mattered. It didn't mean I didn't have

[25:09] to pretend that it didn't happen or

[25:12] consider it all a waste. Just because

[25:14] you're not continuing on in something

[25:15] doesn't mean that the years that came

[25:17] before were a total waste of time. I

[25:20] learned so much. I mean, all of those

[25:22] years deeply shaped who I am and how I

[25:26] think and the patterns that I recognize

[25:28] and how I relate to people. So, I get to

[25:31] bring all of that with me. I'm just

[25:33] doing a different thing now. And it's

[25:35] okay. It's not a loss. I brought it all

[25:38] with me.

[25:39] >> Mhm. Wow. So when was like the last day

[25:41] you I guess had your practice or before

[25:44] you moved on? What was that like and why

[25:46] did you decide to say now is the time to

[25:48] move forward into a new identity?

[25:50] >> Yeah, I had two days that that were

[25:53] significant. One was the day that I

[25:55] decided to go and one was the day that I

[25:57] actually did go.

[25:58] >> How much time was in between?

[26:00] >> There was a solid year in between those

[26:02] two.

[26:02] >> You made a decision like all right I'm

[26:04] done.

[26:04] >> Yeah.

[26:05] >> Done with this. I'm going to go create

[26:06] this new thing.

[26:07] >> Yes.

[26:08] >> And take a leap.

[26:09] You said, "Did you say I'm going to give

[26:10] it a year? I'm going to wait until this

[26:12] moment or you just waiting until you

[26:14] knew the right time to leave."

[26:16] >> Yeah. I Well, the day that I decided, I

[26:18] was working in a university clinic and I

[26:20] had just finished um suturing up a

[26:22] patient's hand, which is something that

[26:24] I really like to do. Stitching. Yeah.

[26:25] And I like to think I was pretty good at

[26:28] it. Um but it was a pretty intense

[26:29] repair. It was just a little bit more

[26:31] complicated than usual. Anyway, I did a

[26:33] good job, but um I wanted to kind of

[26:35] decompress a little bit. and out the

[26:37] back of the clinic. It was on a

[26:39] university campus, so there's woods out

[26:41] there. So, I walked out, just put my

[26:43] earbuds in and listened uh to some

[26:45] things and went for a walk out the woods

[26:48] uh before my next patient. And as I'm

[26:51] walking, I realized

[26:54] I don't want to go back.

[26:55] >> You don't want to go back in.

[26:56] >> Don't want to go back.

[26:57] >> And and it wasn't I

[26:59] >> nature was calling you. I want to stay

[27:01] in this this woods.

[27:03] Well, what I realized is that I didn't

[27:04] want to It's not that I wanted to go

[27:06] didn't want to go back that afternoon. I

[27:07] didn't want to go back at all. I wanted

[27:09] to keep walking through the woods and go

[27:11] emerge the other side. I had this vision

[27:13] of like emerging the other side into a

[27:15] completely new chapter of my life.

[27:19] >> And it was and it wasn't because I had

[27:22] come it the interesting part to me when

[27:23] I think back about it is it wasn't

[27:26] because I had had a really bad thing

[27:27] like I'd just done a really good thing.

[27:29] I just sutured somebody's hand and did a

[27:32] good job and was doing what I had

[27:35] trained been trained to do and was quite

[27:37] capable of doing at that time. But I

[27:38] still didn't want to go back and keep

[27:41] doing it. So I did go back though that

[27:45] afternoon. I didn't walk through the

[27:47] door and throw my stethoscope across the

[27:49] room or go. [laughter]

[27:50] >> It wasn't like that. Um because I still

[27:54] had I knew that I still had some work to

[27:56] do because that's when I realized

[27:58] because the other thing is I mean I'd

[27:59] started dabbling with YouTube and

[28:01] coaching and all of that and I was

[28:03] starting to make money enough that I

[28:06] knew I could actually support myself and

[28:08] my family. We wouldn't have to sell our

[28:10] house.

[28:11] >> Um and I was like okay so you actually

[28:14] logistically could leave now. So why

[28:18] aren't you

[28:19] >> So you were making enough. Maybe it

[28:20] wasn't the exact amount you were making

[28:22] as a doctor, but it was enough that

[28:23] you're right.

[28:24] >> It was enough that I could go.

[28:26] >> So, what was it that was holding you

[28:27] back?

[28:27] >> Well, that was when I really had to get

[28:29] intensive and intentional about

[28:31] addressing that identity piece about who

[28:33] am I here? Like what why who will I be

[28:36] without being a doctor? Cuz I just

[28:37] couldn't let it go. I just it had been

[28:40] so wrapped up in my entire adult life

[28:42] that I just couldn't I couldn't walk

[28:44] away yet. So, I needed to really think

[28:46] about well, what is that going to be

[28:47] like? like what do I write on forms when

[28:49] they ask me what's your occupation and

[28:52] you know what [clears throat] do I say I

[28:54] just needed to to really

[28:56] [laughter]

[28:57] >> well that's it actually I did it's

[28:59] actually funny I did have the first time

[29:01] that I introduced myself as a YouTuber

[29:03] was pretty crazy because that's that is

[29:06] >> you're just a YouTuber you're not a

[29:07] doctor anymore

[29:08] >> right yeah like at dinner parties your

[29:10] uncle isn't like so you're a doctor well

[29:12] what are you really going to do with

[29:13] your life but they do have that response

[29:16] when you tell people that Interesting.

[29:18] That's so funny because do you know Ali

[29:19] Abdal?

[29:20] >> Yeah, I met Ali last summer. Really?

[29:22] Yes. Yes. Yeah.

[29:23] >> So I I've known him for a while and I

[29:25] was or maybe he was interviewing me.

[29:27] That's what he was doing. He was

[29:28] interviewing me, I think. Um and he was

[29:30] still a doctor like two days a month or

[29:32] something.

[29:33] >> Yeah.

[29:33] >> But he was making more or just as much

[29:36] as a YouTuber. And I go,

[29:38] >> "What are you waiting for, man?" And he

[29:39] was holding on to this identity of,

[29:41] >> well, how are people going to look at me

[29:43] without me saying I'm I'm not a doctor

[29:45] anymore? You know, I'm not practicing.

[29:46] Mhm.

[29:47] >> It was tied into his identity. He's

[29:49] like,

[29:50] >> but then he finally took the leap, I

[29:52] think, a few months later. And then he

[29:53] made millions of dollars, you know,

[29:55] pretty quickly after that being a

[29:57] YouTuber. Right.

[29:58] >> Right. Just a YouTuber.

[29:59] >> And but I think there's a for him it was

[30:02] challenging. For you it was challenging.

[30:04] But

[30:04] >> when did you finally come to to grips

[30:06] with like it's going to be okay

[30:09] >> if I'm not identified as a doctor or I'm

[30:11] not getting this validation or this

[30:13] credibility that I've had for so long?

[30:15] Well, I finally came to terms with it

[30:17] and I actually had written up my

[30:19] resignation letter and I was I was

[30:22] feeling really at peace with it and I

[30:24] was good to go and in the new year like

[30:26] in January I was going to just let

[30:28] people know and I needed to you know I

[30:30] had obligations to make sure that

[30:31] everything was going to be taken care of

[30:33] >> all of those things and the new year was

[30:35] 2020

[30:37] >> and co happened

[30:39] >> and I thought this is not the moment

[30:42] when I can walk can't abandon this.

[30:44] >> You can't abandon the health care

[30:46] profession at the absolute worst moment.

[30:49] >> You can't abandon them. But did they

[30:51] abandon you?

[30:52] >> Well, the health care profession

[30:54] abandoned you in some ways.

[30:55] >> Yes, possibly. But I just felt like in

[30:58] my core I was like this is not how I

[30:59] want to leave. This is not what I want

[31:01] to do. And so I stayed through the first

[31:03] wave of COVID and in and really I mean

[31:06] it was terrifying personally absolutely

[31:08] terrifying professionally and personally

[31:10] terrifying time to be practicing

[31:12] medicine but um especially primary care

[31:14] frontline

[31:15] >> and uh but it was beautiful and like the

[31:18] banging pots and everything like that's

[31:20] for me and uh my boys were proud of

[31:22] that. They were terrified for me too.

[31:24] But um it was a really nice sort of end.

[31:28] And then we went through the summer and

[31:30] then it was October, my birthday month,

[31:32] and things were really quieting down.

[31:33] 2020,

[31:34] >> things were very much quieting down in

[31:36] our area anyway. There was much on the

[31:39] island. Yeah. The the wave had passed

[31:41] and so I was like, "Okay, this is my

[31:43] time." So October, my birthday month, I

[31:46] sent in that letter and then I was done.

[31:49] And on my last day that when I was

[31:52] finished seeing my very last patient, so

[31:55] last day, last patient,

[31:57] >> five o'clock.

[31:58] >> Yeah. I walked out of the clinic and I

[32:01] got into my car and I ugly cried for 15

[32:05] minutes. Wow.

[32:06] >> I just cried. It just all came pouring

[32:09] out cuz I knew I wasn't going back and I

[32:11] knew that that was the end. And I just

[32:14] had visions of my 17-year-old self who

[32:18] had all like stareyed. I want to be a

[32:21] doctor. Got into medical school, had

[32:23] worked so hard, and it was all over. And

[32:27] I wasn't going to see patients anymore.

[32:29] And I wasn't going to be Dr. Foster

[32:32] anymore. Like, it was all at a chapter

[32:35] end so clearly. And so that was identity

[32:40] grief for me. What I recognize now is

[32:42] that it was like a cathartic moment of

[32:45] letting that old identity go.

[32:49] >> And it was it was huge.

[32:51] >> How long did it take for you to step

[32:52] into the new identity after leaving

[32:55] being a doctor?

[32:56] >> The next five minutes.

[32:58] >> Really?

[32:58] >> Yes.

[32:59] >> So you cried out. You're [laughter]

[33:00] like, but you'd also processed for a

[33:02] year before.

[33:02] >> I had been processing for I all of my

[33:05] stuff on that. I was ready. And then I

[33:07] had actually been ready and then was

[33:09] sort of held back by the world global

[33:12] crisis. And so yeah, so then I stopped

[33:16] crying and I turned on the music. I put

[33:18] the windows down and it was a beautiful

[33:20] day and I drove home and I felt so free.

[33:23] >> Freedom.

[33:24] >> Total complete freedom. Like I own my

[33:27] day. I own my life again and I can do

[33:31] whatever I want.

[33:32] >> And I mean I knew what I wanted to do

[33:33] cuz it was already very much in play. I

[33:35] didn't

[33:35] >> I mean I did in some ways I think of

[33:37] myself as leaping out of a parach

[33:39] airplane without a parachute but I knew

[33:42] what I was going to do.

[33:44] >> Yeah.

[33:44] >> Now you also disagree with the self-help

[33:47] advice that some people give where they

[33:49] focus on shaming people into becoming a

[33:52] better person or a new person or

[33:53] changing their beliefs or habits.

[33:56] >> Why does shaming people to improve who

[33:59] they are not actually help them?

[34:02] It's a really easy thing to think and we

[34:04] all kind of do this. So we we want to

[34:06] make a change because we I mean if it's

[34:09] weight, we catch a photograph of

[34:11] ourselves and we're like is that what I

[34:12] look like? I'm disgusting. I need to

[34:14] make a change now. So we do this as kind

[34:16] of a knee-jerk reaction. And it is quite

[34:20] normal, I think, to initially want to

[34:23] make a change out of that feeling of

[34:26] kind of self-loathing. But we know that

[34:28] self-loathing is never how you're going

[34:30] to actually make a long-standing change.

[34:32] It is so much more helpful to make a

[34:35] change because you love yourself. I

[34:38] mean, cliche it sounds, but it's

[34:40] absolutely true and backed up by

[34:42] research is that you want to

[34:45] >> if we just stick with the weight loss

[34:47] example, for example, um lose weight and

[34:50] become fit and healthy because you love

[34:53] your body, not because you hate your

[34:55] body. it's just so much more effective

[34:58] long term. It's you're going to be able

[35:00] to stick with it because again the idea

[35:02] is sustainability, right? So, as I said,

[35:05] when I was practicing, people would do

[35:07] stuff temporarily

[35:09] um and then they'd come back and they're

[35:10] like, I went back to the way that it

[35:12] was. And so if you're making a change

[35:14] because you hate yourself or you're so

[35:16] mad about that you've let yourself fall

[35:19] into this pattern or that you are so

[35:21] useless or whatever whatever negative

[35:23] thing that you're telling yourself.

[35:25] >> It's that's not a sustainable way of

[35:27] staying motivated.

[35:29] >> Yeah. Some of the people in this uh

[35:32] personal development space talk about

[35:35] stacking habits.

[35:36] >> A lot of people say you know just stack

[35:38] these habits. you know, if you're

[35:39] running, also listen to something or

[35:41] also do this or whatever it might be or

[35:42] drinking water. It's like how do you

[35:44] stack two or three habits at a time uh

[35:46] in order to shift the person you want to

[35:48] become. So your approach is a little bit

[35:50] different though. You say we should be

[35:53] putting belief before ritual. Why is

[35:56] that?

[35:56] >> I love habit stacking. like I love those

[35:59] tactics and those strategies. And I

[36:01] think that there are a lot of great

[36:04] techniques and um approaches that you

[36:06] can take in order to help to facilitate

[36:09] the change that you want to make and

[36:11] make the actions that you want to take

[36:13] easier. But if that's all you're doing,

[36:16] you really are just addressing things on

[36:18] that one surface level. you're not

[36:21] really. So, you can maybe like make some

[36:24] changes and stack some habits onto

[36:26] something that you're already doing. But

[36:28] again, like we were saying before, if

[36:30] you on a hard day, a tough week, if you

[36:34] fundamentally don't believe yourself to

[36:36] be that kind of person, then it's just

[36:38] so much easier to be like, I don't

[36:41] really that's not me anyway. And then

[36:44] you know it yes sure it's I have a stack

[36:46] of habits but maybe if I just lop off

[36:47] the top couple st like who's going to it

[36:51] just feels more comfortable anyway. So

[36:53] yes absolutely do all of those bite-size

[36:55] habits stack your habits create a

[36:57] trigger create a reward. All of those

[36:59] things are so great but you also at the

[37:03] same time need to be addressing that

[37:05] deeper foundational identity level. It's

[37:08] like the example that I often the

[37:10] metaphor that I give is like your

[37:11] operating system and your apps. So the

[37:14] apps are like your goals and your habits

[37:16] and habit stacking and all that stuff.

[37:17] But when you so you can download all

[37:19] kinds of fancy new apps, but you open up

[37:22] your phone and those apps are glitching

[37:24] or they're not loading or they're

[37:25] crashing or whatever is happening. What

[37:28] you realize is that the operating system

[37:30] is hasn't been updated in a couple of

[37:32] years. You need to update that operating

[37:35] system so that the apps can run

[37:37] correctly in your actual life on a not

[37:41] just on your best day, but on a random

[37:43] Tuesday when things are really tough

[37:45] otherwise in your life or you're busy or

[37:47] you're tired or the kids need you or

[37:50] whatever needs you.

[37:51] >> Yeah. If someone listening or watching

[37:53] right now is stuck on a pattern that

[37:55] they find hard to break, where do they

[37:57] actually start today that you think will

[37:59] help them to become a better person?

[38:01] Well, the very first thing of course is

[38:03] that recognize step. So that's when you

[38:05] really need to rather than blaming the

[38:08] habit or blaming yourself or blaming

[38:11] external circumstances or genetics or

[38:15] whatever it is that you know you're

[38:16] blaming on the outside is to really

[38:18] recognize the story that you have been

[38:21] running underneath. Really recognize

[38:24] that oh I've not really been thinking

[38:26] that this is available to me. I have

[38:29] really been thinking that I am this kind

[38:31] of person, not that kind of person. And

[38:34] those kinds of statements, that's just

[38:36] stories that we we don't just make them

[38:39] up randomly. I mean, it comes to us from

[38:41] a whole bunch of accumulated evidence

[38:43] and sources as we're growing up and

[38:46] going through life. So, it's not just

[38:48] random. It came from somewhere, but it

[38:50] still is a story. And since it's a story

[38:53] that was written means it can be

[38:55] rewritten into something else. And so

[38:58] that's really the the starting point is

[39:00] to just get curious and question and and

[39:04] detached curiosity is is so key because

[39:06] we can beat ourselves up. Be like why do

[39:08] I why have I always believed this? Oh,

[39:10] I'm such I'm the worst. And that's not

[39:12] helpful either. So, you know, it's a

[39:14] matter of becoming it's just granting

[39:16] yourself some grace and saying, "Well,

[39:17] of course, this is what I've been

[39:19] thinking because there's been a whole

[39:20] lot of proof that I've been accumulating

[39:22] for, you know, how I'm going to live and

[39:27] exist in the world."

[39:28] >> Yeah. What's the biggest thing you

[39:30] struggle with today still after knowing

[39:32] all that you know from creating your

[39:34] content, coaching people, writing the

[39:36] book? Where do you struggle around

[39:38] identity? My favorite lab currently for

[39:41] personal development and identity is

[39:43] golf. So I've become completely obsessed

[39:45] with golf. Really? Yes. Completely

[39:47] obsessed. And that's because and one of

[39:50] the things that I absolutely love about

[39:51] it is that it is such a pure personal

[39:55] development lab. It shows all of your

[39:58] stuff. If I am distracted, if I am not

[40:01] trusting myself, it shows up in the

[40:04] flight of the ball immediately. And uh

[40:07] and I love that. So committing to my

[40:10] shot but then being totally detached

[40:14] from the outcome is the key that I have

[40:17] learned and that's what I'm practicing

[40:18] all the time. And that applies not just

[40:20] to golf obviously [laughter]

[40:22] um but to life. So making a decision,

[40:25] being fully committed to the swing, to

[40:28] the action, whatever it is that you're

[40:29] taking, but then not making it mean

[40:33] something if if it catches a bad bounce,

[40:36] if it the wind catches it, like whatever

[40:38] the these are life circumstances. And

[40:41] so, you know, be but not making that

[40:44] mean that I didn't do my job of being

[40:46] making the decision, being committed,

[40:49] and doing the thing, and then detaching

[40:50] from it.

[40:51] >> Wow. What do you think most people get

[40:53] wrong in the self-help space about

[40:56] motivation and goal setting?

[40:58] >> I think that people do focus excessively

[41:01] on the goal. Like what is this goal that

[41:04] I need to achieve? Actually, I mean,

[41:06] honestly, as as boring as it might be,

[41:08] to go back to the golf example, too,

[41:09] right? Like, so the goal clearly is to

[41:12] get the ball in the hole, right?

[41:14] >> Um there's a lot of different ways that

[41:16] you can get there and um and it's a

[41:19] matter of

[41:21] Like I said, detaching from that goal,

[41:24] but who are you being in that whole

[41:26] process is so much more important than

[41:29] whether you actually achieve that goal.

[41:31] Um, you know, you can have a great

[41:34] committed swing and then it ends up in

[41:37] the rough and you are you can be all mad

[41:40] about that for a long time, but

[41:42] ultimately you have to walk over and be

[41:43] like, okay, this is where we are and

[41:46] that's where the hole is and so how am I

[41:48] going to get there now? So it's but who

[41:50] are you being in that moment? How are

[41:52] you handling the adversity? So that's

[41:54] why who you're being like your identity

[41:57] is so much more important than just

[41:59] achieving the goal, which is just one

[42:01] metric. It's just one marker, but

[42:03] there's so much more that goes into it.

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[43:11] that people need to apply when they have

[43:15] self-doubt?

[43:16] >> Selfdoubt is a fascinating kind of thing

[43:20] and I think it kind of gets a bad rap

[43:23] because we think that we shouldn't have

[43:25] self if I think that a lot of people

[43:27] feel like if I feeling self-doubt that

[43:29] must mean something about my capability

[43:33] or about what's possible or maybe this

[43:35] is the wrong thing. maybe I can't really

[43:38] do this. Um, so for me, the goal isn't

[43:41] to never have self-doubt. It's to manage

[43:44] to figure out how to work through it.

[43:46] The story that I think of most when I

[43:48] think about self-doubt in my own life um

[43:50] was when I was a resident and the very

[43:52] first time likely so I'm working in the

[43:53] hospital and it's it's very tough and

[43:56] I'm on call that night and it's the

[43:58] middle of the night and we get called to

[43:59] a code. So that's when somebody's having

[44:01] cardiac arrest. Wow. So and I'm in so

[44:03] I'm in first year so I'm very new on the

[44:05] team. They're having a heart attack in

[44:07] the hospital.

[44:07] >> They are in the hospital. Yeah. Code

[44:09] cardiac arrest in the hospital. So, we

[44:10] have to do the resuscitation and the

[44:12] defibrillation, everything.

[44:13] >> That's a lot. Yes. Quite intense.

[44:15] >> Oh, yeah. But it happened all the time.

[44:17] Like this was quite quite normal.

[44:19] >> Every week,

[44:20] >> almost every shift that you're on

[44:22] >> someone's having a heart attack every

[44:24] shift.

[44:24] >> Almost. Yeah. Yeah. Typically, if Yeah.

[44:28] You bring the whole thing in. This is

[44:30] >> Wow, that's intense.

[44:31] >> Yeah. Yeah. Your adrenaline must always

[44:32] be on

[44:33] >> always because [laughter] because mostly

[44:35] you're getting woken up out of the

[44:36] >> out of a dead sleep and then you're

[44:38] running before you're even fully awake

[44:40] down in the hospital. Yes.

[44:42] >> That's intense. That is like survival

[44:44] energy constantly. Right.

[44:45] >> Constantly. Yes.

[44:46] >> You're surviving to make someone else

[44:47] survive.

[44:48] >> Exactly. Yeah.

[44:49] >> Holy

[44:49] >> Yeah. Yeah. We get called to this code.

[44:51] It's my first. So I'm like I said

[44:53] junior. And so you're what senior res.

[44:56] >> How old was I? 25.

[44:59] Wow. Something like that.

[45:01] And um my senior resident is running the

[45:03] code. So he's interpreting the rhythms

[45:05] and he's looking at and deciding what

[45:07] medications need to be given, what needs

[45:09] to happen next, and he tells me to take

[45:12] over chest compressions. So chest So

[45:15] >> right, eight years of studying now. It's

[45:16] ready.

[45:17] >> Here we are. Yeah. Go time. Um so I

[45:20] climb up onto the bed to do the chest

[45:21] compressions. And uh up until this

[45:24] point, I've only ever done them on a

[45:25] mannequin, you know, practice. So, I'm

[45:28] I'm start doing the chest compressions

[45:30] and they're like, "No, more deeper."

[45:32] Because you really need to compress the

[45:34] chest enough to get squeeze the blood

[45:36] through the heart so that they can start

[45:38] to see a blip on the monitor that you're

[45:40] actually pushing blood through the body.

[45:42] >> So, so I start going deeper and then I

[45:44] feel the ribs

[45:46] >> crack. No. Oh, no. And they say that's

[45:49] normal.

[45:50] >> And and I I flinch, of course, cuz I

[45:52] just cracked a guy's ribs.

[45:54] >> Oh, god. And I looked up and my my

[45:57] senior resident, his eyes met me and he

[45:59] just nodded. He's like, "Keep going.

[46:01] >> Keep going."

[46:02] >> Because that's what you had to do.

[46:04] >> Gosh.

[46:05] >> Right. So I just had to keep going. So

[46:08] that was a pure moment of self-doubt.

[46:10] I'm like, "Of course."

[46:11] >> Said, "Yes, go." And you're like, "Yeah,

[46:13] crack crack."

[46:14] >> And every few thrusts I would just I'd

[46:16] be cracking more ribs. And this is it so

[46:19] anathema to what you're supposed to be

[46:21] doing as a doctor. Trying to save

[46:22] someone, not break their bones people.

[46:24] Yes. Breaking their body. So anyway, but

[46:27] I think about that because in that

[46:29] moment of doubt like I don't I can't am

[46:31] I supposed to keep doing this? Is this

[46:33] right? This feels wrong. My resident was

[46:35] there to look at me and say yes. Keep

[46:38] going.

[46:39] >> In life we rarely have the equivalent of

[46:42] a senior resident who's like, "It's

[46:44] fine. I know you're uncomfortable. I

[46:46] know this feels weird and wrong, but you

[46:48] have to keep going because you're doing

[46:50] the right thing." And so I often think

[46:52] of like, okay, well,

[46:53] >> I'm feeling this self-doubt. Is it the

[46:55] still the right thing that I am doing to

[46:57] keep going here and keep pressing

[46:59] forward even though I don't have my

[47:01] resident there nodding at me to keep

[47:02] going? But we can create that for

[47:04] ourselves.

[47:04] >> Wow. This is just a curiosity. Did you

[47:07] always break someone's ribs or was it

[47:09] like sometimes it was like

[47:10] >> Well, he was particularly elderly this

[47:12] guy. So yes, he had very fragile bones,

[47:15] but it's not uncommon. It's not uncommon

[47:18] at all.

[47:18] >> Oh no.

[47:19] >> Yeah. Gosh, [laughter] that's not fun.

[47:21] >> Yeah, but it has to be done,

[47:24] >> man. That's not fun. Yeah,

[47:25] >> because it's life or death. I guess that

[47:27] moment. It's like you have to do

[47:28] whatever it takes to save a life.

[47:30] >> Yes.

[47:30] >> Even it means cracking up your ribs.

[47:33] >> Oh my gosh.

[47:34] >> I broke three ribs twice back to back

[47:37] years. And I just So I just know the

[47:39] pain of that. It's

[47:39] >> It's so painful. It is exquisitly

[47:41] painful. There's a lot of nerve endings

[47:43] in your rib cage.

[47:44] >> You can't breathe for months. You're

[47:46] like you can't move. Mhm.

[47:48] >> I want to know how someone could become

[47:50] more magnetic if someone doesn't feel

[47:52] like they're energetically attractive,

[47:55] like they don't create opportunities for

[47:57] themselves, like they're not developing

[47:59] luck every single day for themselves.

[48:02] What are a few small habits that can

[48:05] make you instantly more magnetic?

[48:08] [clears throat]

[48:08] >> Yeah, this was actually quite a popular

[48:10] video on my YouTube channel. Um, a

[48:14] little unexpectedly. I mean, we make

[48:15] these videos and then you never know.

[48:18] Yeah. Um, but I really had a lot of fun

[48:20] with this one and um,

[48:22] >> the core of it certainly is I mean, it's

[48:25] the stuff that we've been talking about

[48:26] is your identity. So, you first of all

[48:28] need to stop telling yourself that

[48:30] you're not magnetic or that you're not

[48:32] confident or any of that kind of thing.

[48:34] Because

[48:35] >> when you carry that energy, that does a

[48:38] couple of things. First, it limits what

[48:40] you even put yourself out for. you just

[48:42] decide you don't even see opportunities

[48:45] >> because you've already predecided that

[48:47] that's not for you. So that's the first

[48:49] thing really is to decide that uh it's

[48:52] just find a more empowering identity and

[48:55] again maybe like the the big mag I'm a

[48:59] super attractor like that might be too

[49:01] far create a bridge a bridge identity

[49:03] yeah you can absolutely do that and then

[49:05] start to gather proof for that. Um but

[49:07] then the other sort of more practical

[49:09] thing would be and this also comes from

[49:12] having a disempowering identity is to

[49:14] stop monitoring yourself so much.

[49:17] >> What does that mean?

[49:18] >> So you are checking in like I'm see how

[49:21] am I coming across? How do I look? How

[49:24] do I sound? Am I what am I doing with my

[49:26] hands? Am I awkward now? that kind of

[49:28] thing, which pulls you right out of the

[49:30] energy of actually being present in the

[49:33] room and present with another person and

[49:35] listening to what's happening. Um,

[49:38] because you're just all entirely in your

[49:40] own head.

[49:41] >> Self focused.

[49:42] >> Self focused.

[49:42] >> Be outward focused. That's selffocused.

[49:45] >> Okay. What's the next tiny little habit?

[49:48] >> Another one is pause. Slow down. So

[49:52] rather than rushing into a thing and

[49:55] just blurting something out because you

[49:57] need to fill that silence or fill that

[49:59] awkwardness, just pausing, taking your

[50:03] time. And again, that's a present, being

[50:05] present kind of thing. And the first

[50:09] time that I learned that was actually

[50:11] also in medical residency. See, this is

[50:13] the thing is that I actually learned a

[50:15] ton about myself and life and people

[50:18] going through that training because it's

[50:20] so intense. There's so much going on.

[50:22] So, and again, I get to bring that all

[50:24] with me even though I'm not practicing

[50:26] clinically anymore. Um, but yeah, I was

[50:28] doing a radiology rotation, so it's like

[50:30] X-rays, reading images and films and

[50:32] things. And so, uh, the attending

[50:36] physician would put a film up. This is

[50:37] when we used film, not digital, but

[50:40] anyway, put a film up. And, uh, and he'd

[50:43] say, "Okay, so Dr. Foster, what do you

[50:46] see?"

[50:47] And the impulse of course is just to

[50:49] like immediately just grasp at something

[50:52] because it's awkward. Everybody is

[50:54] there. It's like a a large group. It's

[50:55] not just a sing we're doing rounds and

[50:57] it's a big group of people. I trained

[50:59] myself to not immediately grasp for the

[51:02] first answer to just look and be okay

[51:05] with there being silence as I'm

[51:07] processing and and read it and then

[51:11] start to come with my initial thoughts,

[51:13] my initial impressions, that kind of

[51:15] thing. Um, and it was really tough and

[51:19] but I trained myself to do that and it

[51:21] made a big difference I think. And uh,

[51:24] one of the senior residents on the team

[51:26] actually pulled me aside and he's like

[51:28] really you've got great composure. You

[51:31] really it's like impressive how when

[51:33] they ask you a question, you're not just

[51:34] like babbling and blurting something

[51:37] out. And uh, that

[51:40] >> probably feels like a lifetime. But if

[51:41] it's 5 to 10 seconds when everyone's

[51:43] waiting for you to answer, you're like

[51:46] >> just pausing, observing, and you're

[51:48] like,

[51:50] >> "Okay, now I'll answer." You know, it

[51:52] seems it's like a lifetime,

[51:53] >> right? And it feels like it looks like

[51:55] on the inside it looks like you're

[51:56] uncertain and you don't know and you're,

[51:58] you know, too new, but on the outside it

[52:00] actually reads as composure and

[52:03] confidence that you're gathering

[52:04] yourself. you're assessing the situation

[52:07] properly and taking your time so that

[52:09] you're not rushing into an answer.

[52:12] >> Interesting.

[52:13] >> Was there another tiny habit that you

[52:14] liked?

[52:14] >> I like eye contact.

[52:17] >> I think that I and especially my

[52:19] goodness now eye contact like

[52:22] everybody's looking down.

[52:23] >> It's crazy how we are becoming so not

[52:27] used to looking at people. Uh, and yeah,

[52:31] I mean it it's I I think it makes a huge

[52:33] difference like even an extra couple of

[52:35] beats of eye contact with someone like

[52:37] with a stranger um the barista at the

[52:40] coffee shop or somebody that you pass by

[52:43] or anybody and it really it that even

[52:47] just like two extra seconds makes that

[52:49] extra connection and I think that makes

[52:51] a huge difference.

[52:52] >> Makes you more magnetic.

[52:53] >> Yeah,

[52:54] >> I love those. Those are easy things that

[52:56] people can do every single day. What

[52:58] would you say is the difference between

[52:59] being magnetic and being performative?

[53:03] >> It can be very tricky in the beginning

[53:06] to to distinguish those things. And

[53:08] that's because in the beginning it can

[53:11] actually be a little bit of a

[53:13] performance, right? Like because it's

[53:15] not you're not used to it yet. It's not

[53:18] natural. But I think we can confuse

[53:20] something feeling comfortable with

[53:22] something being inauthentic. It's not

[53:24] necessarily inauthentic. You are

[53:27] working. You can work towards inhabiting

[53:30] a a new identity, a new presence for

[53:33] yourself, a new way of being. And it's

[53:35] okay that it feels uncomfortable. It

[53:37] doesn't mean that something has gone

[53:39] wrong in the beginning. And so it's over

[53:43] time things start to every new action or

[53:46] behavior feels uncomfortable to people

[53:48] in the beginning. It's after it's over a

[53:50] period of time and with reps that it

[53:52] starts to feel more like, yeah, this is

[53:54] actually just how I operate. M you're

[53:56] six years removed now from being a

[53:58] full-time doctor.

[53:59] >> Yeah.

[54:00] >> If you could go back to the, you know,

[54:04] the morning of the last day when you

[54:05] were a doctor, your last day of practice

[54:08] before you ugly cried at the end of the

[54:10] [clears throat] day and

[54:11] >> were free and could finally walk out in

[54:13] the forest like you wanted to a year

[54:14] before that.

[54:16] >> Uh what advice would you give her right

[54:19] now, six years ago, the day you were

[54:21] about to leave being a doctor? It's kind

[54:24] of interesting. I would tell her it's

[54:26] it's absolutely going to be okay. You

[54:28] are absolutely doing the right thing.

[54:30] Except at the time I actually knew that

[54:33] >> and

[54:34] >> but you didn't know what you'd create.

[54:35] >> I didn't know what I was going to

[54:36] create. So yes, I mean now the

[54:38] validation has come. Now the proof has

[54:41] all come and so yes, it would have been

[54:46] nice to have received some extra

[54:47] reassurance that like it's going to be

[54:49] completely fine. You are 100% making the

[54:52] right decision. You're going to be so

[54:53] happy on the other side of it and it's

[54:56] going to be all worthwhile.

[54:57] >> Do you feel like it's um it's all been

[55:01] worth it?

[55:02] >> Yeah. Really?

[55:03] >> It's all been worth it. It's all been

[55:04] worth it. Not just the walking away, but

[55:06] also the doing, the training, deciding.

[55:10] People have asked me if I regretted

[55:12] going into medicine, and I absolutely

[55:14] don't. It made me who I am. And again, I

[55:17] don't have to abandon that. I don't have

[55:19] to pretend that I didn't go to medical

[55:22] school, that I wasn't a doctor. Um, it

[55:25] does require some explanation

[55:27] afterwards. And even now, people still

[55:29] don't really understand. I think I met

[55:31] somebody last month who didn't really

[55:33] understand why I'd stopped practicing

[55:35] medicine. And it's a pretty long story,

[55:37] and we didn't have 90 minutes to go

[55:38] through it like we are.

[55:39] >> Because most people don't become a

[55:40] doctor and then stop.

[55:41] >> Most people don't.

[55:42] >> They just do it forever. Yeah. Right.

[55:44] >> Yeah. And I do catch actually quite a

[55:45] bit of criticism on my YouTube channel

[55:47] for that. Whenever I do actually address

[55:50] the fact that I left medicine and maybe

[55:52] talk a little bit about that, there are

[55:54] definitely some people who don't

[55:55] appreciate it and don't understand.

[55:58] >> Uh there's various criticisms. I mean,

[55:59] one that does come up quite a bit is

[56:01] that I took a spot in medical school

[56:03] away from somebody who would practice

[56:05] forever. And I'm like, well, I did

[56:06] practice for 20 years. That's a long

[56:08] time.

[56:08] >> That's actually quite a bit of time. I

[56:10] didn't just abandon it immediately. And

[56:12] I didn't go into it thinking I'm going

[56:14] to stop doing it. I mean, that would

[56:16] have been a different story if I had

[56:17] done that. Exactly. But still, I But I,

[56:19] as with all YouTube commenters, I think,

[56:21] okay, well, this person, maybe they had

[56:23] actually wanted to go to medical school

[56:25] and they didn't get in. So, I totally

[56:26] understand that there could be other

[56:28] things that I do not understand about

[56:30] their lens.

[56:31] >> And it doesn't mean you can't still help

[56:32] people in a doctor mindset. You know, if

[56:35] someone's sick or hurting, you could

[56:37] give them, I guess, some type of

[56:39] treatment that you're aware of. And you

[56:40] can't prescribe something, but you can

[56:43] say, "Oh, we need to get you stitches.

[56:45] We need to do this. You should go see

[56:46] someone to get you this medicine."

[56:48] >> You can give them insights based on what

[56:51] you know to still help people.

[56:52] >> Totally. And the Yeah, the knowledge is

[56:55] all still there. And I think the

[56:58] reassurance is there too. I remember I

[57:00] was working in a clinic and a guy fell

[57:02] down on the sidewalk just outside of the

[57:04] clinic. And so somebody said, "Oh, you

[57:06] know, come out and see this And I went

[57:07] out and saw him and and I said, "It's

[57:10] okay. I'm a doctor." And the relief on

[57:14] his face, in his eyes, I mean, I wasn't

[57:16] going to do anything other than he

[57:18] needed to get his but just to know just

[57:21] to go from being a guy on a pavement who

[57:24] just hit his head and was very confused

[57:26] to suddenly having somebody standing

[57:27] over him saying, "I'm a doctor." That

[57:30] relief was there. And then I And so I

[57:33] get to I'm not going to practice

[57:34] medicine. Yes. obviously, but that that

[57:37] role I mean those are the sorts of

[57:38] things though that kind of role

[57:40] [clears throat] in society was part of

[57:41] what kept me in it for a long time.

[57:43] >> Of course. Yeah. And if you're on a

[57:45] plane, if someone's going through

[57:46] something, you can go and support them

[57:47] or whatever. If someone faints, if

[57:49] someone has an issue or whatever,

[57:51] >> it's so much more about the reassurance

[57:53] and support, not necessarily like

[57:56] exactly technically what I would do.

[57:58] >> So, I still get to inhabit that role.

[58:01] >> It's exciting. [laughter] um you got

[58:03] this book out called Redesigning You,

[58:05] which is about how to change your inner

[58:06] story to transform your health. And I

[58:09] want everyone to go get this book

[58:10] because for me, um from all the the

[58:14] information that I've learned on this

[58:15] show, I truly believe that identity is

[58:18] at the root of so many things. And when

[58:21] we have an identity or a belief about

[58:23] ourselves

[58:25] that is limiting us,

[58:27] >> it's going to be hard to create an

[58:29] abundant free life. But when we learn

[58:32] the tools on how to shift the identity

[58:35] and the story and the beliefs about who

[58:36] we are and we start living into them

[58:39] with new evidence and start building the

[58:42] identity brick by brick with new

[58:44] evidence, it unlocks a whole new world

[58:47] of possibilities for us. It unlocks

[58:49] better health, better relationships,

[58:52] more financial freedom, better

[58:54] opportunities, better relationships with

[58:56] friends, whatever it might be that we

[58:57] want. Shifting our identity creates

[59:00] better opportunities. So for me, I want

[59:03] people to get the book Redesigning You

[59:06] by Kim Foster. There's a lot of great

[59:08] content in here, a lot of great mindset,

[59:10] strategies, information, and tools that

[59:13] will support you in shifting out of the

[59:17] things that block you into the things

[59:19] that help you create breakthroughs. So,

[59:21] I'm very excited about you having this

[59:23] book and people can check out your

[59:25] YouTube channel. You got a lot more

[59:26] great content there. Before I ask the

[59:29] final couple questions, I want to

[59:31] acknowledge you, Kim, for taking that

[59:32] leap because that's not easy to do

[59:34] >> and for, you know, where a lot of people

[59:37] might have criticized you for leaving. I

[59:39] want to acknowledge you for leaving

[59:40] because you were stepping into who you

[59:42] believed you were meant to be.

[59:44] >> And you stepped into, not that you

[59:46] weren't helping a lot of people as a

[59:48] doctor, but now you're able to help more

[59:50] people with what you love in a new

[59:53] level, in a new identity. And I think

[59:55] it's a beautiful testimony to what's

[59:58] possible for people. So, I want to

[1:00:00] acknowledge you for being on this

[1:00:01] journey, for constantly evolving and

[1:00:04] helping people. Even though it's not

[1:00:07] what your 17-year-old self set out to

[1:00:09] do, I think it's what she truly wanted

[1:00:11] to be, which is how you can serve the

[1:00:14] maximum number of people. And your

[1:00:16] videos and your coaching and your book

[1:00:18] are able to reach more people at a time

[1:00:20] rather than you one-on-one. And so

[1:00:23] there's no right or wrong, but I feel

[1:00:25] like uh that's truly what your heart

[1:00:27] desired and you're doing it. So I

[1:00:28] acknowledge you for that.

[1:00:29] >> Thank you so much for that, Lewis. I

[1:00:31] really appreciate that.

[1:00:31] >> Yeah, it's inspiring to see and I can't

[1:00:33] wait to see more of your stuff online.

[1:00:36] Um this is a question called the three

[1:00:37] truths. I ask it towards the end.

[1:00:40] Imagine you get to live as long as you

[1:00:41] want uh and create whatever you want,

[1:00:43] but it's the last day for you and you

[1:00:45] have to take all of your work with you.

[1:00:46] So the book, your content, it's all gone

[1:00:48] from this world. And you only get to

[1:00:50] leave behind three final lessons to the

[1:00:52] world. That's all we would have of your

[1:00:54] content. What would those three truths

[1:00:56] be for you?

[1:00:57] >> Truth number one is that you're not

[1:01:00] fixed. I think that we really

[1:01:02] underestimate how much we can actually

[1:01:05] change and evolve over the course of a

[1:01:06] lifetime. And yes, your history

[1:01:09] absolutely influences you, but it

[1:01:11] doesn't dictate what's possible for you.

[1:01:14] And I like to say your past is not your

[1:01:16] prophecy.

[1:01:18] >> So that's truth number one. And then uh

[1:01:21] truth number two is don't confuse who

[1:01:25] you had to become with who you have to

[1:01:27] remain.

[1:01:29] >> So like the story that I was telling you

[1:01:31] about the survivor in me. So I had to

[1:01:33] become the survivor to get through what

[1:01:35] I was doing.

[1:01:36] >> Um and that I am very grateful for that

[1:01:40] identity. Wasn't a bad identity. It

[1:01:42] helped me achieve things and get through

[1:01:45] and but I don't have to remain that.

[1:01:48] That doesn't have to be what I stay

[1:01:51] doing forever. You are allowed to evolve

[1:01:55] beyond something that once served you

[1:01:58] beautifully. And then number three is

[1:02:01] your life is happening right now.

[1:02:04] because I think that um it's really easy

[1:02:08] to

[1:02:10] spend I know I spent a lot of time

[1:02:12] preparing for the next thing once I

[1:02:14] achieve this once the kids get older

[1:02:16] once I get more clarity

[1:02:18] >> and it's a bit of a it can be a trap for

[1:02:22] people who are ambitious to spend so

[1:02:23] much of their energy and time building

[1:02:26] the future but forget to inhabit the

[1:02:28] life that you're in right now. So you

[1:02:31] know take the trip, take the risk. Yes,

[1:02:34] >> be here for it.

[1:02:35] >> That's beautiful. And final question for

[1:02:38] you, Kim. What's your definition of

[1:02:39] greatness?

[1:02:40] >> So, my definition of greatness has

[1:02:42] actually changed quite a bit uh over the

[1:02:44] years. And I think that my younger self

[1:02:46] would have said that greatness is a lot

[1:02:51] about excellence. So discovering what

[1:02:54] you're capable of and then proving it

[1:02:57] and achieving really hard things and

[1:02:59] becoming exceptional at something that

[1:03:02] is ideally measurable and visible to

[1:03:05] other people.

[1:03:07] And uh but now I think that just

[1:03:10] greatness is much more about

[1:03:12] discernment. So meaning becoming really

[1:03:15] deeply discerning about what deserves

[1:03:19] your life because just because you're

[1:03:21] capable of doing something doesn't mean

[1:03:23] that you are obligated to do it. And of

[1:03:28] course that's my story too. And but I

[1:03:30] think that it's really important getting

[1:03:33] clear on what actually deserves your

[1:03:34] effort and your precious life and the

[1:03:38] years that you have and then going all

[1:03:40] in on that like giving yourself fully to

[1:03:42] that. Becoming discerning and giving

[1:03:45] yourself fully to that.

[1:03:46] >> That's beautiful. Kim, thank you so much

[1:03:48] for being here. Appreciate it.

[1:03:49] >> Yeah, it's my pleasure. It's great

[1:03:50] conversation. [music]

[1:03:51] >> Yeah. When we're not something positive,

[1:03:53] the compensation is do more of that. If

[1:03:55] I'm not loved, what am [music] I going

[1:03:57] to do? Try and become lovable. But

[1:03:59] there's a shadow side that came into my

[1:04:00] work maybe a decade ago. Like it was m

[1:04:03] like I was like, how come I'm talking to

[1:04:04] thousands of people and some of their

[1:04:06] conditions seem so much more macabb and

[1:04:09] dark and destructive? [music] And I

[1:04:11] really

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Most behavior change fails because it addresses information, not identity. If your identity says "I'm not an exercise person," then every workout attempt creates friction with your self-concept. Your brain experiences this as a violation of who you are, not a positive choice. The gap isn't knowledge—it's a conflict between the behavior you're trying to adopt and the identity you believe you have.
An affirmation like "I am confident" often triggers skepticism from your brain ("Based on what?"), so it bounces off without sticking. A bridge identity is a small, believable stretch from your current self—like "I am someone who takes a 10-minute walk three times a week." It's credible enough that your nervous system accepts it rather than rejecting it as fantasy.
You collect empirical evidence. Once you've adopted a new identity, you go out and log proof: do the action, write it down, repeat it. The brain needs data to update its self-concept. Over time, as the evidence accumulates, the new identity becomes solid ground, and the nervous system updates its operating system based on your lived experience.
Your identity is the foundational code that determines which behaviors will stick. You can download fancy new apps (habits, routines, practices), but if they contradict your identity—your core operating system—they'll crash on hard days when stress or fatigue is high. You have to update the operating system first; then the apps run smoothly.
Yes, but identity change requires recognizing the identity statement first (the hardest part), redesigning it into a bridge identity you actually believe in, and then collecting lived proof. The brain has accumulated evidence about who you are over years or decades, so the new identity has to be plausible enough that your nervous system doesn't immediately reject it. Change is possible at any age—it just requires a different operating system.
Self-doubt often appears when you're doing something real and difficult. It's not evidence that you're the wrong person for the task—it's often a sign you're at the edge of your capability. The identity moment happens when you choose to believe you're the kind of person who can act despite the doubt, often confirmed by someone who sees your true capacity clearly.

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