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[0:00] All right, hello there thrill seekers.
[0:02] I'm Brad Warner. I am the author of a
[0:04] lot of books about Zen Buddhism and
[0:07] today I would like to talk to you about
[0:08] a book I did not write, which was
[0:11] written by my late friend David Chadwick
[0:13] called Tassajara stories. We'll talk
[0:15] about that after 30 seconds of the theme
[0:17] from Thunderball, the James Bond movie.
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[0:59] >> All right, thrill seekers. That was a
[1:01] little bit of Thunderball, the version
[1:03] by Billy Strange. I found this at a
[1:05] thrift store Goodwill in Glendora,
[1:07] California a couple of weeks ago and
[1:09] I've been playing the album incessantly
[1:11] ever since. It's my favorite song. It is
[1:13] packed with great songs and it is not on
[1:15] Spotify, but I think it's on YouTube, so
[1:18] you can listen to it there.
[1:19] And I wanted to thank my loyal viewer
[1:22] Eugene, who sent me this. It's a
[1:26] official Dodgers Godzilla minus zero
[1:29] bobblehead. Oh, he lost his He lost his
[1:31] bat there.
[1:33] Anyway, it's you get these if you go to
[1:36] the Dodger games
[1:37] on the special nights and Eugene sent me
[1:41] the one that he got when he went there.
[1:42] Thank you very much, Eugene. So today I
[1:45] wanted to talk about this book,
[1:46] Tassajara stories, a sort of memoir oral
[1:50] history of the first Zen Buddhist
[1:52] monastery in the West the first year
[1:53] 1967 by David Chadwick. David Chadwick
[1:57] was a friend of mine. I didn't know
[1:59] David well, but but I knew him enough
[2:02] that I feel like it's safe to call him a
[2:04] friend and he contacted me
[2:07] in the late summer, early fall, I guess,
[2:10] of 2025, last year,
[2:13] telling me about this book, asking if
[2:14] he'd send a copy, and saying that asking
[2:17] if I could do an interview with him or
[2:19] some promotion for it on my YouTube
[2:21] channel. And I said, yes, but I was deep
[2:25] into chemotherapy at the time that I
[2:27] received this book, and I just wasn't
[2:30] even up to to reading the thing, let
[2:32] alone trying to set up
[2:33] call. He lived in Indonesia, and trying
[2:35] to set up a Zoom call for Indonesia was
[2:37] just overwhelming to me at that moment.
[2:40] And I finally got a break from the
[2:42] chemotherapy, and I'm like, I'm ready to
[2:45] do this do this interview, and the next
[2:47] thing I know, I'd heard he died. He had
[2:49] mentioned to me going to the hospital
[2:51] for some tests, but I had no idea it was
[2:54] that serious. So, I'm sorry, David
[2:57] Chadwick, that I did not get to your
[2:59] book in time, but now I'm getting to it.
[3:01] So,
[3:02] just to give you a little bit of
[3:03] background on David Chadwick. The reason
[3:05] you are watching this video at all is
[3:08] probably thanks to David Chadwick's
[3:10] book, Thank You and Okay. Uh what's it
[3:13] called? An American Zen Failure in
[3:15] Japan.
[3:17] And this is I picked this book up at the
[3:20] Tower Records bookstore in Tokyo when I
[3:22] lived there. And at the time, my
[3:25] teachers, both of my teachers, Tim, my
[3:27] first teacher, and Nishijima Roshi,
[3:28] knowing my interest in being a writer,
[3:31] had said I should write a book about Zen
[3:33] Buddhism. And I was like, yeah, I can't
[3:35] write a book about Zen Buddhism. I've
[3:37] read a lot of books about Zen Buddhism,
[3:38] but I was like, I can't write one of
[3:39] those. And I and I read this, and I'm
[3:41] like, oh, if you can write a book about
[3:44] Zen Buddhism like this one, which is
[3:46] which is full of humor and just personal
[3:49] stories, and just it's a really good,
[3:52] really fun read.
[3:54] Uh then then maybe I can write a book
[3:56] about Zen Buddhism and that launched me
[3:58] on what became Hardcore Zen.
[4:01] Hit the book Hardcore Zen, my first
[4:03] published book.
[4:05] And he also wrote David Chad Chadwick
[4:07] also wrote this book Crooked Cucumber,
[4:09] which is a biography of Shunryu Suzuki,
[4:13] the the guy who founded the San
[4:14] Francisco Zen Center. Also a very good
[4:17] book, very entertaining read on that
[4:20] story. And he's written a few other
[4:22] books, but the ones I just showed you
[4:24] are kind of the ones the best known of
[4:25] his books.
[4:27] Uh this one, like I said, came out last
[4:29] year and I believe that the second
[4:32] volume of it is due out very soon or
[4:34] maybe out already. They are it's
[4:36] published by the same people who are
[4:37] publishing my forthcoming book, which is
[4:40] Zen in the Art of Japanese Monster
[4:42] Movies, which is Monkfish.
[4:44] Uh so they they also publish my book or
[4:46] my my
[4:47] mostly Nishijima Roshi's book
[4:49] Fundamental Wisdom of the Middle Way.
[4:51] Uh so so that's another little
[4:54] connection I have there. I met David at
[4:56] Tassajara a couple of times. I he came
[5:00] and visited me when I lived in Akron and
[5:02] I made a video about that, which I put
[5:04] up I re-published it a few months ago
[5:07] right after I heard that he died.
[5:09] So yeah, that's that's my connection
[5:11] with David Chadwick. So let me tell you
[5:13] about the book. Uh the book, as it says,
[5:16] is a short a sort of memoir oral history
[5:19] of Tassajara. It's It's the story of
[5:22] Tassajara, which as the book title says,
[5:25] was the first Zen Buddhist monastery in
[5:27] the West. And it was founded in 1967 by
[5:30] Shunryu Suzuki. And it's it's a great
[5:33] way to learn about it. It's not an
[5:36] academic sort of history of the place
[5:38] that's dry and boring. It's It's a
[5:41] collection of stories,
[5:43] stories that happened directly to David
[5:45] Chadwick himself, who was there for a
[5:47] lot of the beginning of Tassajara, and
[5:50] stories that he heard from other people
[5:51] who were at Tassajara. And so, let me
[5:54] let me tell you Tassajara, like my
[5:56] version of Tassajara. Tassajara is a Zen
[5:59] monastery in northern California. Did I
[6:02] just say that? I don't know. I'm not
[6:03] keeping track.
[6:05] And it is up in the What's the Ventana
[6:07] Wilderness? It's not It's It's near Big
[6:10] Sur, but when you say near Big Sur, it's
[6:13] near Big Sur as the crow flies, as they
[6:15] say, but it's not really, you know, it
[6:17] takes you like an hour or something to
[6:19] get to Big Sur itself. So, it's up there
[6:21] in northern California. It is deep in
[6:23] the wilderness, in a valley. You have to
[6:26] travel up up up up a mountain, and I
[6:29] think it's a mountain, I don't know.
[6:30] Feels like a mountain. And then down
[6:31] down down down down into the valley.
[6:34] And the drive there, God, I forgot how
[6:36] many miles the drive there. It's like a
[6:38] 4-mile drive, I think, something like
[6:40] that. It It takes over an hour to make
[6:42] that drive because it is so rocky and
[6:46] windy. The road is not paved. I only
[6:48] drove there once myself. Every other
[6:51] time I took a ride in from a, you know,
[6:53] a semi-professional, somebody who'd
[6:55] driven the road before.
[6:57] Uh
[6:58] I only did it once, and I really
[7:00] regretted having done it. I did it in a
[7:01] PT Cruiser, and it almost ruined the PT
[7:04] Cruiser. Uh so, uh I I went to Tassajara
[7:08] just about every summer for a period of,
[7:11] I think, around 5 years. I'm not really
[7:14] sure. I'll show you some pictures. I'll
[7:16] put them up on the screen. I'll have to
[7:18] edit the pictures in later after I do
[7:20] the video, so I'm not going to comment
[7:21] specifically on on what you see in the
[7:24] pictures. You'll just have to figure it
[7:25] out yourself. Um but I went there for a
[7:28] period of about 5 years, always during
[7:30] the summer. And the deal with Tassajara
[7:33] is
[7:35] in the
[7:36] pre-colonial
[7:38] days, before uh
[7:39] you know, Europeans came to the United
[7:42] States, it had been a sweat lodge or
[7:44] something for the Native Americans. Uh
[7:46] there are hot springs down in the valley
[7:49] and they had discovered the
[7:51] and they were using them. Uh the word
[7:53] Tassajara apparently comes from a native
[7:56] word meaning to the place where you
[7:58] smoke meat. So, yeah, they're smoking
[8:00] meat. Ooh, getting high off that meat.
[8:03] No, no, they were smoking meat.
[8:04] Whatever. Anyway, uh there's no meat
[8:06] smoked down there now cuz they're
[8:08] vegetarian these days. Uh and then in
[8:11] the I think starting in the 1800s
[8:14] sometimes, maybe maybe earlier than
[8:16] that, uh it had become a kind of a
[8:18] destination place for for tourists to
[8:21] kind of go down there and a hotel was
[8:23] built down there around the hot springs
[8:26] and they had a bar and they had a
[8:28] ballroom and they had like swinging
[8:30] nightlife and all kinds of stuff down
[8:32] there. But by the 1960s
[8:35] it had fallen on hard times and not many
[8:37] people were coming to Tassajara anymore.
[8:40] And the people who owned it wanted to
[8:42] sell it and there were a lot of bidders
[8:43] I guess or a certain amount of bidders
[8:46] who wanted to buy it and one of them was
[8:48] the San Francisco Zen Center. Shunryu
[8:51] Suzuki, who had founded the San
[8:52] Francisco Zen Center, wanted to start a
[8:55] monastic center and he looked at two
[8:57] places which is Green Gulch, which is up
[9:00] north of San Francisco somewhere. I
[9:03] don't know that area very well. And
[9:05] Tassajara. And eventually, they
[9:07] eventually bought both of the
[9:08] properties, but Tassajara was the first
[9:11] one. And he liked Tassajara, Suzuki
[9:14] Roshi liked Tassajara a lot because of
[9:16] its remoteness and its beauty and the
[9:18] Japanese people are crazy for hot spring
[9:21] baths. So, I'm sure that really appealed
[9:23] to him as well.
[9:25] Uh
[9:26] and it was a very ambitious project to
[9:29] get this thing underway and you get a
[9:31] sense of that in the book.
[9:33] My understanding of the whole thing or
[9:35] my, you know, the way I put it together
[9:37] in my mind is that Suzuki Roshi had the
[9:40] vision to start Tassajara, but the guy
[9:42] who really made it happen was a guy
[9:44] named Richard Baker. And there's a lot
[9:46] of stuff, a lot of scandalous stuff
[9:48] about Richard Baker. You can read about
[9:50] it in a book called Shoes Outside the
[9:52] Door, which is sort of the dark side of
[9:54] the Tassajara story,
[9:56] what happened after Suzuki Roshi died,
[9:59] and then Baker Roshi got a little
[10:02] big-headed,
[10:03] we can say, and had some issues and
[10:06] ended up being booted out of the place
[10:09] unceremoniously. Although I was there
[10:12] the day he came back for the very first
[10:15] time in God knows how long, 30 or more
[10:18] years.
[10:20] And he gave a talk there.
[10:22] I met him for a second. I'm sure he
[10:23] doesn't remember me. I actually met him
[10:25] in Germany a year before that, which I'm
[10:28] sure he doesn't remember either.
[10:30] I saw him give a talk somewhere in
[10:32] Germany when I happened to be there.
[10:34] So, he's the guy that made it happen.
[10:37] The guy who documented what happened is
[10:40] David Chadwick, and the book is is
[10:42] incredibly entertaining. It really tells
[10:45] the story, like I said,
[10:47] and it gives you enough of the sort of
[10:50] background that you'd want from an
[10:51] academic book, enough for me. I don't
[10:53] really need to have all that.
[10:54] Apparently, I checked out the
[10:57] other books by the author, and
[11:00] David Chadwick also did I don't have it,
[11:02] or maybe I have it somewhere, I don't
[11:03] know. He He did another sort of more
[11:05] academic history of Tassajara.
[11:08] That's not nearly as as popular. And I
[11:11] think I read it, or at least part of it
[11:13] at Tassajara itself. Tassajara,
[11:17] like I said, it's a it's a monastery.
[11:19] They just had a big sort of tragedy
[11:21] there where somebody burnt down their
[11:23] Zendo.
[11:24] And they are doing a fundraiser. I
[11:27] happen to know when the fundraiser is
[11:28] cuz I got invited to it, but there's
[11:30] with my current condition, there's just
[11:32] no way I'm going to make it up there.
[11:34] But on November 13th, they're doing a
[11:36] fundraiser in San Francisco to to raise
[11:39] money to buy to to build a new zendo, to
[11:42] not buy one cuz you can't just go to
[11:44] IKEA and buy a zendo. But anyway,
[11:46] they're going to rebuild the zendo and
[11:48] they need some money for that.
[11:50] So that
[11:51] I spent a lot of time in that in that
[11:55] what do you call it? What did I just
[11:56] call zendo? I only ever went to
[11:59] Tassajara during the summer guest season
[12:02] and what they did, and this is
[12:05] this is written about in the book,
[12:07] they they had guests, paying guests, who
[12:10] would come there to enjoy the hot
[12:11] springs and enjoy nice food and things
[12:14] like that. And the agreement they made
[12:17] with the people who owned the place
[12:19] before San Francisco Zen Center took it
[12:21] over was that they would continue to
[12:24] have a guest season.
[12:26] And and they did that. And what happens
[12:29] during guest season is paying guests,
[12:30] like I said, will come and pay and stay
[12:33] at the place and enjoy the hot springs,
[12:35] etc., etc.
[12:36] And the way they make that work is they
[12:40] have basically kind of slave labor It's
[12:42] not really slave labor. I almost said
[12:44] slave labor. They they have unpaid
[12:46] labor, which is students like me. I I
[12:49] went in there always as a I don't know
[12:52] what they call it, a guest student or
[12:54] something like that. And what you do is
[12:57] you you live a kind of monastic
[13:00] schedule, not like a practice period or
[13:03] ango schedule, but you do have to get up
[13:06] at 4:30 in the morning,
[13:08] do zazen,
[13:10] do a bunch of ceremonies and stuff, and
[13:12] then the rest of the day you're working.
[13:14] Most of the time when I was down there,
[13:16] they put me in the dining room
[13:18] serving food to the guests, which I
[13:20] always enjoyed that and I I think they
[13:23] liked it the Tassajara people liked it
[13:25] cuz sometimes guests would recognize me
[13:27] and it was sort of like, "Hey, look, we
[13:29] got Brad Warner, you know, the guy who
[13:30] wrote all the Zen books is working in
[13:32] our
[13:33] in our dining room." And yeah, sometimes
[13:35] guests would would recognize me and chat
[13:37] me up, and sometimes other stu- a lot of
[13:38] times other students would recognize me.
[13:40] I got pretty recognized down there. It
[13:42] was hard for me to be anonymous in that
[13:44] place. But I really liked it. I I always
[13:47] made It was It's kind of a summer camp
[13:49] feel where I I never did summer camp
[13:51] when I was a kid, but I understand from
[13:54] people who did it what it's like. And it
[13:56] was like that I made these like really
[13:59] close friendships. It felt like real,
[14:01] you know, close bonding, and then never
[14:03] saw the people. Uh there was a couple of
[14:06] people who I met at Tassajara who I saw
[14:08] again afterwards, but most of the people
[14:10] that I met at Tassajara, hi, if you're
[14:12] watching, I uh probably remember you,
[14:14] but I've probably forgotten your name
[14:16] because I forget everybody's names.
[14:17] Sorry, that's just my brain doesn't
[14:19] retain names very well.
[14:22] But yeah, you would make make strong
[14:23] friendships there, and then never see
[14:25] these people again.
[14:27] And it's a bit um
[14:29] it it was a
[14:30] absolutely wonderful place. If you have
[14:32] any opportunity to go there even as a
[14:36] paying guest, and just to enjoy the hot
[14:38] springs and everything, or you can sign
[14:40] up. I don't know how difficult it is to
[14:44] get a spot as one of these sort of guest
[14:46] workers. You don't have to pay anything.
[14:48] I think you have to pay the first time
[14:50] that you're a guest worker, like this
[14:51] kind of um
[14:53] I don't know, like a a fee to do the
[14:56] when you do the application or
[14:57] something. Application fee, is that what
[14:58] they call it? Anyway, I think I paid
[15:01] like $70 one time to do the application
[15:03] fee or something. But then I didn't have
[15:05] to pay, but then I didn't get paid. Uh
[15:07] apparently if you're there long enough,
[15:08] they start paying you, but I was never
[15:10] there long enough. The longest I ever
[15:12] spent at Tassajara was 6 weeks. Most of
[15:15] the time I went there for 3 or 4 weeks
[15:18] uh during the summer to to work at the
[15:20] place, and and just uh and just do the
[15:23] zazen and do the schedule. It's a great
[15:25] great place.
[15:26] The book is
[15:28] mostly little stories that David
[15:31] Chadwick remembered or the people told
[15:33] him about things that happened at
[15:34] Tassajara and they're told kind of
[15:36] sequentially. There's a little bit of
[15:38] dirt and scandal, not a lot. There is a
[15:41] guy that Chadwick refers to only as the
[15:44] bishop and he's some kind of I'm
[15:47] gathering that he's Japanese. I don't
[15:49] even know if it says specifically in
[15:50] there that he's Japanese. That's just
[15:52] what I imagined. Maybe it says. But he
[15:54] seems to be have been
[15:56] big deal with the Soto organization in
[16:01] America cuz Soto has a branch. They have
[16:03] a branch temple in Los Angeles.
[16:05] And yeah,
[16:07] and this guy seemed to have been a big
[16:09] deal there and he had some stuff going
[16:13] on that is written about in the book
[16:15] that's kind of scandalous. The other
[16:17] thing that was sort of like I had to
[16:19] reach for my smelling salts when I read
[16:21] it was about Kobun Chino Otogawa Roshi
[16:24] who was my first Zen teacher's teacher.
[16:28] I never met Kobun himself. I really
[16:30] regret that. But
[16:32] the scandal with Kobun isn't quite as
[16:34] bad as the scandal with the bishop. But
[16:37] apparently Kobun got involved with
[16:40] somebody he shouldn't have got involved
[16:41] with. And what what's interesting is I
[16:43] had didn't realize how young Kobun was
[16:45] and how young Katagiri Roshi who was the
[16:47] other person. So Shunryu Suzuki when he
[16:50] started Tassajara realized he was going
[16:52] to need some help from Japan. So he got
[16:55] these two guys, Katagiri Roshi and Kobun
[16:58] Roshi who came from Japan and even
[17:00] though they were both Roshis at the
[17:02] time, they were very young. They were I
[17:05] don't think either of them was even 30
[17:07] years old. So it was a lot of young
[17:09] people running the place which is
[17:12] which is one of the weird sort of
[17:14] effects of
[17:16] how Tassajara is now. So a lot of the
[17:19] people who are mentioned in the book I
[17:21] met at Tassajara, but I met them as old
[17:25] people. You know, I mean, probably
[17:28] my age or older when I met them.
[17:31] And and so they were no longer the young
[17:33] people that they were, but there's this
[17:35] kind of
[17:36] I think for a lot of the people who
[17:39] started Tassajara in the '60s when they
[17:41] were 25 or you know, that you know,
[17:43] somewhere in that age range.
[17:47] Uh they're still 25 years old as far as
[17:49] they're, you know,
[17:50] they kind of still think like they're 25
[17:52] years old and starting this place and
[17:54] they don't understand why the young
[17:55] people aren't coming anymore. And and
[17:57] that that's always one of the dilemmas.
[17:59] One of the things they they liked about
[18:00] having me is they would have lectures.
[18:02] They'd have me do a lecture even though
[18:04] I wasn't getting paid. Anyway, uh they'd
[18:06] have me do lectures down there sometimes
[18:09] and also lead services down there
[18:11] sometimes.
[18:13] And
[18:14] the one of the reasons, which is the
[18:16] reason I get invited a lot of places, is
[18:18] to let's bring in the young people, even
[18:20] though I'm not a young person anymore,
[18:21] but I guess I have an appeal
[18:23] uh to young people,
[18:25] uh which these guys have apparently not
[18:28] got anymore.
[18:30] Uh so, yeah. And I've been kind of
[18:32] critical of uh Tassajara and San
[18:34] Francisco Zen Center on this YouTube
[18:37] channel and I, you know, I feel a little
[18:39] bit bad about that. I don't I I'm not
[18:42] taking back any of the things I said,
[18:45] but I think they were taken by a lot of
[18:48] people
[18:49] as being much stronger than they are.
[18:51] Because I I feel like Tassajara is for
[18:54] the vast, most, whatever, 98%, 99% is a
[18:59] great, great place, but there's like
[19:01] they got some issues, you know, this
[19:04] this kind of creeping wokeness that they
[19:06] they tend to I think they've stopped
[19:08] doing this, but for a while they they
[19:10] tended to have uh
[19:12] that really focused on political and
[19:14] social issues and stuff. And I this
[19:16] might have been part of their
[19:19] idea of getting the young people more
[19:21] involved in the place or something. I
[19:22] don't know, but it it kind of detracted
[19:24] from the Zen thing because people would
[19:26] get mixed up. Uh they would think that
[19:28] these political issues were Zen issues
[19:30] and things. And and I I think they've
[19:32] they've uh pulled back on that some,
[19:35] which is which is great. And I'm I'm I'm
[19:37] happy to see that they've they've uh
[19:39] cooled that down a little bit. Uh it
[19:42] still sort of happens. Uh and and just
[19:46] it's
[19:46] Here's something that's going to be
[19:47] taken wrong, which is in order to build
[19:51] a place like Tassajara, it's a major
[19:54] undertaking. And it requires a kind of
[19:57] ambitiousness. And this is what Richard
[20:00] Baker brought to the table. He was an
[20:02] ambitious person, energetic guy, uh
[20:06] a guy who was well-connected, a guy who
[20:08] liked to sort of schmooze with the
[20:10] people and figured out how to get rich
[20:12] people to donate to the place. You know,
[20:14] that's one of the other things that's a
[20:16] little iffy about Tassajara, which is
[20:19] iffy about every Zen monastery all over
[20:22] the world. Is maybe there's an exception
[20:25] or two here and there, but most of them
[20:27] are very dependent upon rich people to
[20:30] donate. And part of what they have to do
[20:32] is keep the rich people happy so the
[20:34] rich people keep donating. So,
[20:37] there's always that going on. And I saw
[20:40] some of that go on. I never saw anything
[20:42] really egregious or scandalous, but I
[20:45] saw how they they kind of um kissed up
[20:47] to the to the rich folks to keep them
[20:50] coming and keep them happy and keep them
[20:51] sending money. So, that's one of the
[20:54] things you got to do.
[20:55] And And it's this interesting dichotomy
[20:57] because in order to have this retreat
[21:00] space, which is a wonderful, wonderful
[21:02] thing to have, uh I can't say enough
[21:04] about how great it is to have this
[21:06] space, you got to do you got to kind of
[21:09] make this little deal with the devil to
[21:11] make it to to make it happen in the
[21:13] first place and to keep it happening.
[21:16] And so, some of the criticisms
[21:19] I've said on this YouTube channel have
[21:20] been aimed at that sort of thing, but
[21:22] it's not that I think it's a bad place
[21:24] at all. Somebody I know
[21:26] referred to Taosahra disparagingly as a
[21:28] Zen dude ranch. And I didn't even know
[21:31] what really what a dude ranch was, but a
[21:32] dude ranch is like where you go to a
[21:35] place and you get to pretend you're a
[21:36] cowboy, but it's all very safe and
[21:38] sanitized and it's not real cowboy life.
[21:40] Real cowboy life is a lot more dangerous
[21:43] and dirty than that. And and these
[21:45] people thought it was whoever it was who
[21:47] was talking thought that Taosahra was a
[21:49] Zen dude ranch. It's not a Zen dude
[21:51] ranch. It is a legitimate Zen monastery
[21:53] in every sense of the word. It's just an
[21:56] American Zen monastery, which makes it
[21:58] quite different from a Japanese Zen
[22:00] monastery or a I don't know if there are
[22:02] any Zen monasteries in China still
[22:04] operating. I guess they've they've
[22:05] brought a few of them back, but a Zen
[22:07] monastery in Thailand or anywhere else
[22:09] that or Korea, wherever they're
[22:10] happening.
[22:12] Uh it's every bit as legitimate as that
[22:14] as one of those Asian monasteries, but
[22:16] it's different because the American
[22:19] culture is different, American people
[22:21] are different, and they expect different
[22:22] things, and this is the way you have to
[22:25] make it run. So, yeah,
[22:27] I don't know what else I can say. I've
[22:28] kind of rambled a lot, but I hope that
[22:30] made some sense. Taosahra Stories is a
[22:33] really wonderful book, and I highly
[22:34] recommend it. It's It's one of those
[22:36] books where there are sort of Zen
[22:40] teachings in the book, but they're
[22:41] they're sprinkled in
[22:44] David Chadwick does a great job of this
[22:47] in all of his books. He he He's wiser He
[22:51] was wiser.
[22:53] He's probably still wiser somewhere
[22:55] than he let on because he kind of He He
[22:58] always had kind of
[22:59] cultivated an image which which I sort
[23:02] of cultivate myself as kind of a lovable
[23:05] goofball kind of guy, but he was much
[23:07] wiser than he let on, and some of that
[23:09] wisdom does come through in the book,
[23:11] but it's not a book of, it's not like a,
[23:14] a book of Zen philosophy, although
[23:15] there's Zen philosophy in it. There's
[23:17] Zen philosophy in all of his books, as I
[23:19] said.
[23:20] So, if you want to get a little bit of
[23:21] that, uh, Zen philosophy in, in a
[23:24] package that makes it more palatable
[23:26] than maybe your average sort of Zen
[23:28] book, uh, that's, uh, I I highly
[23:31] recommended it, and, uh,
[23:33] second volume is out soon. I hope that,
[23:35] uh, Monkfish Books sends me a copy of
[23:37] that. That would be really nice of them.
[23:39] Uh, just a little hint there to the
[23:41] folks at Monkfish. Uh, so, there you go.
[23:43] The Tassajara stories, highly
[23:45] recommended, good book. I'm not getting
[23:47] paid to do this except in, uh, in free
[23:49] books, or a free book. So, [snorts]
[23:52] there you go. All right, that's all I
[23:54] got to say about Tassajara stories. I
[23:56] hope you enjoyed that. Uh, if you want
[23:58] to donate to me, uh, doing more videos
[24:01] like this, and, uh, reading more books
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[24:14] Once again, hardcorezen.info/donate.
[24:19] That is where you will find links to my
[24:20] PayPal and Patreon accounts. Those are
[24:22] my main, and really my only ways of
[24:24] making a living right now, and I
[24:26] appreciate your support, but as always,
[24:28] you don't got to support me if you don't
[24:29] want to support me. All right, we will
[24:30] see you next time. Until then, have a
[24:32] good time all the time. Bye. Hi, Ziggy.
[24:38] We should take you to Tassajara
[24:39] sometime. Would you like to go to
[24:40] Tassajara? Do they let Zaggies, doggies
[24:42] in Tassajara? They have cats there. They
[24:45] do.
[24:46] I'm serious. They have cats. A cat once
[24:48] once jumped on me in Tassajara. Jumped
[24:50] into my lap.
[24:52] Yeah.
[24:54] All right, Ziggy. We'll see you later.
[24:55] Bye.
[24:59] >> Tassajara, it's the place I want to be.
[25:02] Tassajara, the clean laundry's still
[25:04] dirty. Tassajara, you've got wilderness
[25:06] galore. Tassajara, get enlightened doing
[25:09] chores. You can't have sex in public.
[25:12] You can't hold hands since all the
[25:14] wisest monks all suppress their glands.
[25:17] >> Uh the Ino brings you food whenever you
[25:19] are sick. And if you hike down to the
[25:21] Narrows there's somewhere Oh wait, let
[25:23] me tell [laughter] you.
[25:24] Ino brings you food whenever you are
[25:26] sick. If you hike down to the Narrows
[25:28] there's someone to suck the poison out
[25:30] of your leg if you step on a snake.
[25:32] >> Tassajara, it's the place I want to be.
[25:35] Tassajara, the clean laundry's still
[25:37] dirty. Tassajara, you've got wilderness
[25:40] galore. Tassajara, get enlightened doing
[25:43] chores.
[25:45] >> [cheering]
[25:46] [applause]