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Satipatthana Sutra, Awe, and Zen: A Green Gulch Dharma Talk

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San Francisco Zen Center
Oct 11, 2026
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Somewhere in the middle of a September morning at Green Gulch Farm, a teacher who serves as tanto, or head of practice, at the San Francisco Zen Center's City Center temple on Page Street asks the room to help him build the talk he is giving. Tim Wicks, speaking in a dharma talk recorded Saturday, September 20, 2026, wants the listeners to receive as much as he delivers. His subject is a text that first cracked open his own inner life: the Satipatthana Sutra, a foundational discourse of the Theravada tradition, which he reads as a manual for looking at experience without flinching. From there he moves to awe, the sudden sense of being in the presence of something vast, and then to the question of how an objective, step-by-step method for mindfulness sits beside the open, objectless sitting of Zen.

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Why did a Zen teacher start with a Theravada sutra?

Wicks is candid about where his own path began. The Satipatthana Sutra was the first sutra he read when he came to Buddhism, and the first form of the teaching he encountered came through a Theravada teacher. He notes that Theravada considers itself the original Buddhism, that Zen arrived later, and that the word Theravada means "the way of the elders." He is quick to add that such claims are debated, "as we are want to do" in the Buddhist world.

What made the sutra so important to him was not doctrine in the abstract. It was the experience of finally having a map. In his words from the talk:

"The Satipatana Sutra was the first sutra that I read when I first came to Buddhism. Um it opened up a whole new world for me." (Tim Wicks, Green Gulch dharma talk, recorded September 20, 2026, around the 1:20 mark)

He describes his earlier self as "just existing in the world like many of us are surviving," pushed around by the need for food, shelter, and pleasure, and "completely disconnected from my internal experience." The sutra gave him a vocabulary for what was happening inside: what pleasure was, what suffering was, and how the interior jumble of activity could begin to be understood.

What do the words Sati and Upatthana actually mean?

Wicks spends a few minutes on the title, which is often the place where a teacher's intentions show. Sati carries several meanings at once: mindfulness, memory, recollection, a sense of returning to something familiar. Upatthana means to establish or verify, to look closely, to investigate, and also presence. Together, satipatthana becomes something like present mindfulness, or mindfulness established in the here and now.

That compound gave birth, he explains, to the practice and theory of vipassana, which he glosses as deep insight, or seeing things as they are. The sutra is where the Buddha delivered this training in mindfulness to his disciples. For a student of Zen, the word "investigate" in particular is worth pausing on. It is a verb of inquiry, not of belief.

What is the Buddha's "direct path" in the sutra's opening?

The sutra opens with a claim that sounds grand and is, Wicks suggests, very practical. It describes the four satipatthanas as the direct path for the purification of beings, for overcoming sorrow and lamentation, for the disappearance of dukkha, and for acquiring "the true method for the realization of nirvana."

Wicks offers an image for dukkha that deserves its own attention. We usually translate it as suffering, he says, but the older sense is closer to an axle placed off center on a wheel, so that the wheel turns in an uncomfortable way. It is not a catastrophe. It is a friction built into how the thing rotates. That reframing matters for the rest of the talk, because the sutra's method is not to escape the wheel but to examine exactly where it is off center.

How does the sutra use the body as a laboratory?

The four satipatthanas are mindfulness of the body, of feelings, of mind, and of dharmas, which he describes as covering all conditioned phenomena. Each is studied in an objective way. Wicks admits that as a younger man he "still had a scatological 14-year-old in me that loved the detail," and he clearly enjoys the sutra's catalogue of the body's parts: head hairs, body hairs, nails, teeth, skin, flesh, sinews, bones, marrow, kidneys, heart, liver, spleen, lungs, bowels, feces, bile, phlegm, pus, blood, sweat, fat, tears, spittle, snot, the oil of the joints, and urine.

The list is not there to disgust. It is there to dislodge a habit. "I had actually never really considered my body in that way," Wicks says, "nor had I considered my feelings in that way." The sutra applies the same analytic lens to feelings and to mind, breaking each into its parts so the practitioner can watch them without being swept along. The body becomes an object of study rather than the ground on which one is always standing.

What are the five hindrances and five aggregates in practice?

In the section on mindfulness of dharmas, the sutra names five hindrances to awakening: sensual desire, aversion, sloth or tiredness, anxiety, and doubt. It also lays out the five aggregates the practitioner tends to cling to: form, sensations, perception, volitional activities, and consciousness. Wicks notes that these are sometimes called heaps, and that the sutra breaks them down to show there is no permanent self inside them. He says he came to see himself as "empty of permanence."

He is careful to present this as a working tool rather than a metaphysical puzzle. By naming fear, anger, joy, depression, anxiety, and inspiration "in their subtlest forms as they began to arise," he could begin to understand them, and understanding them let him see where many of them came from. The naming is not a verdict. It is a way of slowing the reaction.

The most practical point in this part of the talk may be his observation about suffering itself:

"By identifying suffering, by simply acknowledging it, it begins to diminish. To simply acknowledge suffering means to take some of the heat away, some of the energy away from it." (Tim Wicks, Green Gulch dharma talk, recorded September 20, 2026)

He adds that what he learned was "not to try and push it away or feed it in any way." That is a narrow path between avoidance and indulgence, and it is the core of the sutra's instruction as he reads it.

What does the sutra promise, and what did the talk leave open?

Near its close, the sutra says that whoever develops these four satipatthanas in this way for seven years can expect one of two fruits, the first being final knowledge here and now. Wicks reads the passage in the talk, and it is a reminder that the sutra is framed as a long practice, not a weekend insight. He also points out that the sutra is short enough to read quickly and then read again several times.

How does this connect to awe and to objectless Zen?

The talk's title pairs awe with the sutra, and the connection Wicks draws is between the careful attention the sutra trains and the sudden widening that awe brings. He speaks of awe as the experience of being in the presence of something vast that transcends the ordinary self, and he returns to it through images of looking up: a sky, icicles, woodpeckers pulling bark from a tree. He also draws a contrast with a culture of distraction, remarking on the effects of cell phone addiction and on how much of life is spent looking down.

The description of the talk frames the relationship in one sentence: Wicks likens the sutra's instructions to "our objectless Zen practice." The distinction is useful. The sutra gives the practitioner specific objects to observe, such as the body, a feeling, a mind-state, or a dharma. Zen sitting, in its classic form, does not hand the mind an object at all, and yet the sutra's discipline of seeing precisely what is happening turns out to be the ground that makes objectless sitting possible. Awe, in this reading, is what happens when the careful looking finally opens onto something larger than the looker.

The talk is also an invitation to a group practice rather than a lecture. Wicks asks the room to share, to ask questions, and to treat the hall as a place of co-creation. Its tone is that of a teacher thinking aloud with a community he knows, and that is a large part of its appeal.

Where to go from here

The most direct next step is the sutra itself. It is short, it is available in many translations, and Wicks's own advice is to read it, then read it again. Pair the reading with a few minutes of attention to your body and feelings as the sutra describes them, noticing without pushing away.

To hear the full talk, including the question-and-answer exchange with the room, watch the recording on the San Francisco Zen Center channel. For those who want to sit with the community, the practice calendar lists upcoming offerings at sfzc.org/calendar, and more about the center is at sfzc.org.

  • Read the Satipatthana Sutra slowly, one section at a time.
  • Notice how the sutra turns the body, feelings, mind, and dharmas into objects of study.
  • Try acknowledging a difficult feeling without trying to fix or feed it, and see whether its heat changes.
  • Look up, deliberately, once a day, and notice what happens to your sense of scale.

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[0:01] [music]

[0:07] [music]

[0:15] and [singing]

[0:17] perfect

[0:23] [singing]

[0:26] even,000

[0:28] million countless us [clears throat]

[0:31] having to see and listen to

[0:37] and accept.

[0:39] I [singing]

[0:42] taste the truth.

[0:58] Good morning everyone.

[1:00] >> Good morning.

[1:03] >> What a thrill it is to be here at Green

[1:05] Dragon Temple.

[1:08] Um,

[1:10] my name is Tim Wixs

[1:13] and uh I currently serve as tanto, which

[1:16] means head of practice at our San

[1:19] Francisco temple uh beginner's mind uh

[1:23] temple in in San Francisco on Page

[1:25] Street. [snorts]

[1:27] And um

[1:29] it's really truly a great honor to be

[1:32] here with all of you. some who I know

[1:34] from a long time ago

[1:37] [snorts] and new faces.

[1:41] So, uh what I would like is if we can

[1:44] co-create this talk so it's not just me

[1:48] giving it to you but uh it's you

[1:51] receiving as well. [snorts] Um and uh

[1:55] thank you all for making time in your

[1:58] busy lives to come here. Uh welcome to

[2:02] the people who are online and the people

[2:04] who in the future maybe will listen to a

[2:08] recording of it.

[2:12] [snorts]

[2:16] So I'd like to speak today about uh one

[2:19] of the foundational texts of Buddhism

[2:24] and it's called the Sati Patana Sutra

[2:28] and I'm going to talk about the

[2:30] Satipatana Sutra and I'm going to talk

[2:32] about all [snorts] thank you

[2:37] a we

[2:40] like all shocks except

[2:44] deeper.

[2:47] So the Satipatana Sutra was the first

[2:50] sutra that I read when I first came to

[2:52] Buddhism. [snorts] Um

[2:56] it opened up a whole new world for me.

[2:59] Um the world that I inhabited, the world

[3:01] of my internal experience

[3:04] where I I didn't really know what it was

[3:08] that was going on

[3:11] uh inside. I was really just existing in

[3:14] the world like many of us are surviving

[3:17] [snorts] tossed around by the need for

[3:21] food and shelter and pleasure and

[3:25] getting them in the fastest and easiest

[3:28] way I could.

[3:30] [snorts] In Buddhist terms, I was

[3:32] subject to the conditioning of

[3:35] existence. My existence

[3:38] conditioned how it is that I acted, how

[3:40] it is that I was in the world.

[3:43] [snorts] But I didn't know how to

[3:45] identify what it meant to be me.

[3:51] And the first form of Buddhism I was

[3:54] introduced to was by a terraodin

[3:56] teacher. Terraodan Buddhism is different

[4:01] uh from Zen.

[4:03] uh Zen came later uh than Terravadin uh

[4:07] Bu terraoden Buddhism considers itself

[4:10] to be the original Buddhism. Some people

[4:13] debate this of course as we are want to

[4:15] do. [snorts] Um

[4:18] and in fact the word terraadin

[4:21] means the way of the elders

[4:25] and the satipana sutra is [snorts] one

[4:29] of the most important sutras to

[4:31] terrains.

[4:35] Sati means mindfulness.

[4:38] It means memory.

[4:40] It means recollection.

[4:43] There's a sense of knowledge, a sense of

[4:47] returning to something familiar.

[4:51] And the second part of the title is

[4:53] utana which means to establish

[4:58] or to verify,

[5:01] to look at closely, to investigate.

[5:04] It also means presence.

[5:08] So in its compound form

[5:11] [snorts]

[5:12] satipana means mindfulness present

[5:15] mindfulness

[5:17] and it gave birth to the practice and

[5:19] theory of vapasana which many of us are

[5:22] familiar with [snorts] which means deep

[5:25] insight. Vipasana means deep insight or

[5:28] to see things as they are.

[5:31] This is mindfulness.

[5:37] And this concept and experience of

[5:40] mindfulness, this training of

[5:43] mindfulness was delivered by the Buddha

[5:46] to his disciples in the Satipatana

[5:48] Sutra. And when I first came to

[5:50] Buddhism, I was I was, as I mentioned,

[5:52] completely disconnected from my internal

[5:55] experience. I knew very little of what

[5:58] it was that was happening inside of me.

[6:02] I needed some kind of a framework for

[6:05] identifying what my internal experience

[6:07] was.

[6:09] What were these crazy things that were

[6:11] happening inside of me?

[6:16] The Satipatana suture created an opening

[6:19] up for me by helping me to understand

[6:22] what it meant to be a human being.

[6:26] by identifying my experience [snorts]

[6:31] and how this great jumble, this interior

[6:35] jumb jumble of activities inside of me

[6:38] could begin to be understood.

[6:41] What was pleasure?

[6:44] What was suffering?

[6:47] Now, I'm not a scholar, but I am

[6:50] thirsty.

[6:56] I'm not a scholar but so I'm not going

[6:57] to go through the Satipatana Sutra in a

[7:01] scholarly manner but I am going to just

[7:05] kind of quickly uh mention what's in the

[7:08] sutra before talking about how it was

[7:10] [snorts] that um it was helpful to me.

[7:21] This is how it begins. [snorts]

[7:27] This is the Buddha [snorts] monks.

[7:31] This is the direct path for the

[7:33] purification of beings,

[7:35] for the surmounting of sorrow and

[7:37] lamentation,

[7:39] for the disappearance of duka. Duka, as

[7:42] many of you know, we usually translate

[7:44] as suffering. But actually what it means

[7:47] is when uh an axle is placed off center

[7:51] on a wheel and how it is that that wheel

[7:55] turns in an uncomfortable way.

[7:59] for the disappearance of duca and

[8:01] discontent for acquiring the true method

[8:06] for the realization of nirvana namely

[8:09] the four satipatanas.

[8:16] So uh then the Buddha goes on to mention

[8:18] what the four satipanas are and they

[8:20] were four mindfulnesses. So the

[8:22] mindfulness of the body, mindfulness of

[8:25] feelings,

[8:27] mindfulness of mind, what's going on

[8:29] inside of my mind, how am I naming

[8:31] things, how am I uh identifying things

[8:36] to act on?

[8:38] And uh finally the mindfulness of

[8:41] dharmas which basically covers all

[8:44] conditional phenomena

[8:47] all conditioned reality

[8:50] and these four satanas are studied in an

[8:53] objective way [snorts]

[8:57] um focusing on the body

[9:00] uh focusing on the feelings that we have

[9:02] what's happening in the mind and what

[9:03] exactly we call reality what is this

[9:06] cushion that I'm sitting on what is this

[9:08] room right here. What does it mean to

[9:11] hear sound?

[9:13] [snorts]

[9:14] And uh when I first was introduced to

[9:18] this sutra, I uh still had

[9:24] a uh scatological

[9:27] 14-year-old in me [snorts] that loved

[9:31] the detail.

[9:34] So this is the uh mindfulness of the

[9:37] body right here from the Buddha. In this

[9:39] body, in this body there are head hairs,

[9:42] body hairs, nails, teeth, skin, flesh,

[9:46] senus, bones, bone marrow, kidneys,

[9:49] heart, liver, diaphragm, spleen, lungs,

[9:55] bowels, meantry,

[9:58] contents of the stomach, feces, bile,

[10:01] fleg, pus, blood, sweat, fat, tears,

[10:06] grease, spittle, snot, which I wonder

[10:09] Snot is in Pali, the ancient language,

[10:12] [snorts] oil of the joints and urine.

[10:14] And I just loved all that detail right

[10:16] there. But I had actually never really

[10:18] considered my body in that way, nor had

[10:20] I considered my feelings in that way.

[10:25] So he does the same with feelings and

[10:27] with mind. He he uh identifies uh the

[10:31] con the uh uh the different parts of our

[10:35] feelings and gives us uh the opportunity

[10:39] to look in a very objective

[10:43] um uh analytical way at uh all phenomena

[10:47] in in the dharmas. This the satipana of

[10:50] dharmas. [snorts] He lists the lists in

[10:53] the sutra the five hindrances to

[10:56] awakening.

[10:57] Sensual desire, aversion, [snorts]

[11:01] sloth or tiredness,

[11:04] anxiety, and finally doubt.

[11:08] He identifies what it is that we're made

[11:10] up of. He calls them aggregates or we

[11:12] translate them as aggregates which are

[11:14] sometimes called heaps. uh what it is

[11:17] that we cling to which is form, [snorts]

[11:20] sensations, perception, valitional

[11:22] activities and finally consciousness.

[11:24] These are uh what it is that we cling

[11:27] to. He breaks all of these down to their

[11:30] individual parts

[11:32] to show how it is that we do not have a

[11:37] permanent self.

[11:40] We are empty

[11:43] of [snorts] permanence.

[11:47] And by breaking down reality into these

[11:49] parts, I was able to begin to understand

[11:53] what it meant to be this human being

[11:55] named Tim Wixs.

[11:59] I was able to begin to identify fear,

[12:02] [snorts] anger, joy, depression,

[12:06] anxiety, and inspiration in their

[12:09] subtlest forms as they began to arise in

[12:12] me.

[12:13] By identifying them, I was able to begin

[12:16] the process of understanding them.

[12:19] [snorts]

[12:20] And by understanding them, I started to

[12:22] see the root of where it is that many of

[12:25] them came from.

[12:28] And by identifying suffering, by by

[12:31] simply acknowledging it, it begins to

[12:33] diminish. To to simply acknowledge

[12:37] suffering uh means to take some of the

[12:40] heat away, some of the energy away from

[12:42] it.

[12:44] And this to me was a profound experience

[12:46] and insight.

[12:50] For the first time in my life, I began

[12:52] to understand the workings of the self

[12:55] suffering and what it was made of and

[12:58] how not to try and push it away or feed

[13:01] to it in any way.

[13:03] [snorts] The Buddha ends the Satipatana

[13:06] Sutra. It's it's not that long. You can

[13:08] read it pretty quickly uh and then read

[13:11] it again several times. [snorts]

[13:17] Monks, if anyone should develop these

[13:20] four satipatanas in such a way for seven

[13:24] years, one of two fruits could be

[13:28] expected for them. either final

[13:31] knowledge here and now. So sudden

[13:34] enlightenment

[13:35] or if there's a trace of clinging left

[13:39] non- returnturning and non-

[13:41] returnturning is basically nearly

[13:43] enlightenment.

[13:46] Let alone seven years. He says six

[13:48] years, five years, four years, three

[13:50] years, two years, one year, 7 months, 6

[13:55] months, 5 months, 4 months,

[13:58] 3 months, 2 months, 1 month, half a

[14:01] month.

[14:03] If anyone could develop these four

[14:06] satanas in such a way for seven days,

[14:10] one or two fruits could be expected for

[14:12] them. either final knowledge here and

[14:15] now or if there's a trace of clinging

[14:18] non- returnturning.

[14:21] So it was with reference to this that it

[14:24] was said, "Munks,

[14:26] this is the direct path for the

[14:29] purification of beings, for the

[14:31] surmounting of sorrow and lamentation,

[14:34] for the disappearance of duca and

[14:36] discontent, for acquiring the true

[14:39] method for the realization of nirvana,

[14:42] namely these four satanas."

[14:47] That is what the blessed one said. And

[14:49] the monks were satisfied and delighted

[14:52] in the blessed one's words. [snorts]

[14:57] So this is uh objective meditation.

[15:01] It's meditation that focuses on

[15:05] something specific. The breath,

[15:09] the body,

[15:11] feelings, sensations.

[15:26] In Zen uh we talk about way seeking

[15:29] mind.

[15:30] Uh it's our stories of how it is that we

[15:34] came to the dharma. And way the word way

[15:37] in the beginning of way seeeking minds

[15:39] is usually capitalized

[15:42] and uh this sort of comes from our not

[15:45] sort of actually does come from our

[15:47] Chinese ancestors. As most of you know,

[15:49] Buddhism started in northern India and

[15:52] then it traversed through really diverse

[15:55] cultures uh through the rest of India

[15:58] and then came to uh China and um the

[16:04] capitalizing of W on way is from Daoism

[16:08] which is the spiritual precursor

[16:11] uh to what in China was called chun and

[16:15] later in Japan was called Zen. So

[16:18] Dowoism sort of began to merge a little

[16:20] bit and influence the way it is that uh

[16:23] Buddhism entered into Chinese spiritual

[16:26] culture.

[16:28] The way in in Dowoism with that capital

[16:31] W literally means path or road but it

[16:35] also means the source of found of the

[16:38] foundational

[16:40] principle of the universe.

[16:44] uh we refer to it perhaps a little bit

[16:46] lazily as emptiness.

[16:50] So we use our stories to tell the way

[16:51] that we came to this path. And the

[16:54] Buddha used the story of his early life

[16:56] to explain his understanding of the way.

[17:00] [snorts] He said, "I teach one thing and

[17:03] one thing only, suffering

[17:06] and the end of suffering." which always

[17:08] kind of sounded like two things to me.

[17:10] But welcome to Buddhism and uh uh

[17:13] non-separation

[17:15] um non-dualism. Everything is connected,

[17:19] especially suffering and non-suffering.

[17:24] The Buddha, as many of you know, was

[17:26] protected as a prince by his father, the

[17:29] king, who [snorts] was a black belt

[17:31] codependent in my opinion. His father

[17:35] gave him everything he thought his son

[17:37] needed in order to be happy.

[17:40] He protected him from harm, sheltered

[17:43] him from suffering, [snorts] but the

[17:45] future Buddha still saw suffering in the

[17:48] form of old age, sickness, and death.

[17:52] [snorts] So even if you have everything

[17:54] that you think you need in order to be

[17:56] happy, just the fact that we're alive

[18:00] means that we'll suffer from the aging

[18:02] process.

[18:04] and fear of dying.

[18:09] So in this way I I use my own story to

[18:12] help me to understand the dharma, the

[18:14] teachings of the Buddha.

[18:17] I try to stick mostly to what it is that

[18:20] I can verify as my own experience.

[18:24] And the [snorts] Satipatana Sutra helped

[18:26] me to identify the suffering in my life

[18:29] and how to begin the process of ending

[18:31] that suffering.

[18:35] Uh we talk about karma

[18:38] as many of you know which uh means

[18:42] intentional action.

[18:45] It had our actions have consequences. We

[18:48] speak of karmic consequences things that

[18:50] we did and how it is that they affected

[18:53] what happened after. [snorts] There are

[18:56] consequences to what you do and there's

[18:57] consequences to what you don't do

[19:00] because of life. This is the way that I

[19:04] am,

[19:06] the way that life had affected me by the

[19:08] time I came to Buddhism. And in fact,

[19:11] the reason that I came to Zen Center uh

[19:15] 25 years ago was because the way that

[19:18] life had affected me was that I had

[19:20] become an addict.

[19:22] I was a drug addict and an alcoholic.

[19:27] And after getting into recovery and

[19:29] immersing myself in several years of

[19:32] vapina practice, I started coming to Zen

[19:34] Center in the city which is where I live

[19:37] now. [snorts] And I was coming there

[19:40] because there was a meeting on Monday

[19:42] nights for people in recovery who are

[19:44] interested in meditation and it still

[19:46] happens 7:30 on Mondays. And I didn't

[19:49] like Zen Center very much at all. I

[19:52] didn't like the statues, the bowing, the

[19:54] bells, the robes, the downward glancing.

[19:58] I didn't the incense. I didn't like

[20:00] anything

[20:02] about it.

[20:04] But you have to be careful. So, watch

[20:05] out cuz slowly it started to creep up on

[20:08] me cuz I kept coming to that one meeting

[20:10] a week. And after about six months, I

[20:12] thought I'd check out a dharma talk. And

[20:16] look at me now.

[20:19] >> [laughter]

[20:31] [snorts]

[20:31] >> So

[20:34] in Zen we sit [snorts]

[20:37] we just sit

[20:39] and other schools of of Buddhism feel in

[20:42] some ways that we you kind of throw

[20:44] people in at the deep end. We just sit.

[20:47] Chicken taza it's called uh just sitting

[20:49] facing the wall.

[20:52] [snorts] Zen uh claims to be

[20:54] non-objective sitting. There's no

[20:56] object. We're simply we sit and face the

[21:00] wall. We try to let go of everything.

[21:03] Noticing everything that arises but not

[21:06] activating it or feeding it in any way.

[21:10] Noticing but not pushing away.

[21:13] We're witnessing life as it arises and

[21:16] as it fades away

[21:19] in our Zen practice. We're observing

[21:21] impermanence. That's what it is that

[21:23] we're studying.

[21:25] Study this. Study this, said Dogen

[21:27] Zenji, our 13th century founder in

[21:29] Japan. Investigate. Investigate. He was

[21:33] always admonishing us.

[21:36] [snorts] So, I had this objective basis

[21:38] for my meditation experience. I'd

[21:40] already been trained in mindfulness

[21:42] awareness [snorts] and now I was being

[21:45] told to sit with non-objective sitting.

[21:50] Don't add to or push away what arises in

[21:53] your meditative experience.

[21:56] I did this for a couple of years. I

[21:58] found a teacher which you're encouraged

[22:01] to do in Zen. Uh [snorts] find a teacher

[22:04] to uh ask questions to learn about the

[22:07] path. [snorts]

[22:08] Um and uh I had after I've been working

[22:12] with him for a while, I started to have

[22:13] some anxiety coming up again uh which

[22:16] was familiar to me and uh I asked my

[22:19] teacher if I could my Zen teacher if I

[22:22] could go back and do a little bit of

[22:23] vapa around the anxiety [snorts] uh do

[22:27] some objective sitting and um he uh

[22:32] focusing you know I wanted to focus on

[22:34] the anxiety objectively as the

[22:36] Satipatana sutra had taught me And he

[22:38] said something very interesting.

[22:41] He said all of Buddhism before Zen which

[22:46] Zen happened or got developed really in

[22:50] China several hundred years after the

[22:52] Buddha. All the teachings of Buddhism

[22:55] before Zen are included in Buddhism. And

[22:58] this includes Terraadin Buddhism.

[23:01] Terraodan Buddhism and Fapasa and

[23:04] mindfulness are included in Zen. he

[23:06] said. And on a closer look, I began to

[23:09] see how it is that we start out in Zen

[23:11] with objective sitting. We the first

[23:14] thing that you're taught in Zen is how

[23:17] to hold your body, your posture.

[23:21] And then uh we talk about focusing on

[23:24] the breath. Breath, counting the breath.

[23:28] [snorts] And this is just like in the

[23:31] Satana Sutra.

[23:33] In Zen, we're opening up our awareness

[23:36] from the particular, from the body and

[23:39] the breath to the general out to the

[23:42] rest of the universe. We're opening

[23:45] opening.

[23:50] At UC Berkeley, uh there is a professor

[23:53] named Dair Kelner

[23:57] and he's written a book about his

[23:59] research as a psychologist.

[24:02] >> [snorts]

[24:02] >> He's been studying awe awe

[24:06] and he has a fabulous book which is

[24:09] called awe. [snorts] He defines awe as

[24:13] in quotes the feeling of being in the

[24:15] presence of something vast and transcend

[24:18] that transcends your current

[24:21] understanding of the world.

[24:26] This is Zen training.

[24:30] Contemplation of vastness uh as we are

[24:33] asked to do in our Zen mind can be

[24:35] challenging and even destabilizing

[24:38] in its vastness even threatening

[24:40] sometimes.

[24:43] A is the verb of action in the face of

[24:46] mystery.

[24:49] It's the motivation to enter into an

[24:52] understanding

[24:54] and inspiration to open up.

[24:58] Awe is the invitation to intimacy.

[25:04] And intimacy is sometimes described as

[25:06] the truth being delivered or shared with

[25:09] someone else without any judgment.

[25:13] If I tell you I was a alcoholic and

[25:16] [snorts] you don't judge me, I'm being

[25:18] intimate with you. We're being intimate

[25:20] together.

[25:22] I'm opening up.

[25:25] If you judge me, there is a separation

[25:28] you're cultivating and we are together

[25:31] closing down.

[25:35] In his book, uh, Kelner analyzes awe

[25:38] scientifically. He's a scientist.

[25:41] [snorts] uh he talks about hair

[25:44] follicles and how they're affected by

[25:47] certain chemicals that are created in

[25:49] the body during experiences of awe. How

[25:52] it is that hair follicles become erect

[25:55] and you have your hair standing on end.

[25:59] He talks about uh self-trcendent

[26:02] states the beginning of the breaking

[26:05] down of the individual self.

[26:10] mind states that grow out of the

[26:12] experience of awe

[26:14] there where there's a healthy loss of

[26:18] self-boundary between the individual and

[26:21] the world in which they live in

[26:24] in all with all there's a deep

[26:26] connection a feeling of oneness

[26:29] and belonging to a greater whole

[26:33] there's this diminishing of the

[26:36] self-centeredness of the separate

[26:37] individual

[26:39] In all, there's a state of there can be

[26:41] a state of flow being so fully immersed

[26:44] in an activity that the sense of time

[26:46] and self-consciousness begins to

[26:49] disappear.

[26:51] Peak experiences of intense joy,

[26:55] discovery, and transcendence are often

[26:57] times called the highest points of human

[27:00] experience.

[27:03] Witnessing profound human kindness can

[27:06] shift awareness away from one's own

[27:08] needs

[27:10] while [snorts] experiencing awe.

[27:19] [snorts]

[27:21] For the Buddha, there were three

[27:23] poisons, three obstacles to our

[27:24] awakening. Greed, hatred, and delusion

[27:29] or ignorance.

[27:31] And in my experience, uh, we're not

[27:34] supposed to rank things, but I do. Uh,

[27:38] in my experience, delusion is the worst

[27:40] of these poisons

[27:43] because delusion is not seeing the

[27:45] truth.

[27:47] And I was trained in order to survive in

[27:50] my childhood, like so many of us, with a

[27:54] a a life that was unbearable. I was

[27:58] trained to not see the truth.

[28:01] >> [snorts]

[28:02] >> That's why I ended up drinking and using

[28:05] drugs. My consciousness was unbearable.

[28:09] The Satipatana Sutra, which was at the

[28:12] very beginning of the Buddha's teaching

[28:14] and is included in Zen, taught me to see

[28:18] the truth in a way that was gentle and

[28:20] safe a little bit at a time.

[28:25] It opened me up to beginner's mind which

[28:27] is really

[28:29] the mind of awe.

[28:33] It taught me that I can not only survive

[28:36] the truth [snorts] but I can enter into

[28:39] it with fascination. The fascination of

[28:41] awe.

[28:43] I can see what it's made of and how it

[28:45] is that I share it with the rest of the

[28:49] universe.

[28:52] And I'd like to have a sip of water

[28:57] and finish with a poem that I found

[29:00] called Oh, [snorts] and it's by James

[29:05] Cruz.

[29:08] It's a shiver that climbs the trellis of

[29:10] the spine.

[29:12] Each tingle a bright white morning glory

[29:16] breaking into blossom beneath the skin.

[29:21] It can happen anywhere, anytime.

[29:25] Even finding this sleeve of ice worn by

[29:30] a branch all morning, now fallen on a

[29:33] bed of snow.

[29:36] You can choose to pause, pick it up,

[29:40] hold the cold thing in your hand, or

[29:44] not.

[29:45] Few

[29:47] tell us that wonder and awe are

[29:49] decisions we make daily, hourly, minute

[29:53] by minute in the tiny offices of the

[29:55] heart,

[29:57] tilting the head to look up at every

[30:00] tree turned into a chandelier by light

[30:04] striking ice in just the right way.

[30:08] Thank you very much for your attention.

[30:10] And uh now uh we have

[30:15] Q&A or arguments against what it is that

[30:18] I have said which are completely

[30:21] welcome.

[30:24] >> And I'd I'd love it if you could say

[30:26] your name as well please.

[30:27] >> Okay. Jennifer.

[30:28] >> Hi Jennifer.

[30:29] >> Hi. Um I um used to keep a diary of gat

[30:33] gratitude but now I've been keeping a

[30:37] diary of awe. I do a lot of hiking by

[30:40] myself on the mountain and I find doing

[30:43] it alone and if I sit someplace that

[30:47] there's something going on like

[30:49] redheaded

[30:51] woodpeckers pulling the bark off a

[30:55] diseased tree doing what not science

[30:58] nature does. It helps break it down.

[31:00] Everything has it something to do. And I

[31:03] just I was in so much awe of that. So I

[31:06] went and visited the area like once a

[31:09] month to see how was they were

[31:10] progressing. It was really quite

[31:12] beautiful.

[31:14] So and I also I'm out in the ocean a lot

[31:17] sailing and [clears throat] I I run into

[31:20] so much awe

[31:22] um thousands of jellyfish hatching and

[31:27] witnessing that and they have sails on

[31:29] their back and they they they hatch and

[31:32] they float to the top and then they sail

[31:34] on top of the water. So that was just

[31:39] beautiful. [laughter]

[31:41] So I like the word ah. It's really I

[31:44] look forward to it.

[31:47] >> What what you have just described uh he

[31:51] the the psychologist uh uh asks us to

[31:55] basically do all practice and that's

[31:58] what you're doing. Yep.

[32:00] >> And he's got studies that he talks about

[32:02] where uh he shows how it is that um

[32:06] everything that comes with awe in the

[32:09] human organism begins to actually alter

[32:12] the neuroplasticity.

[32:13] >> It does.

[32:14] >> Yeah. Thank you so much.

[32:16] >> You're welcome. Thank you.

[32:19] [snorts]

[32:31] >> [snorts]

[32:38] >> Good morning. I'm Charlene.

[32:40] >> Hi Charlene.

[32:42] >> So awe in the way that was just

[32:44] described is something very joyous and

[32:46] I'm quite familiar with. However, you

[32:48] ended your talk speaking about uh

[32:50] delusion and how we um many of us don't

[32:54] confront the truth because perhaps it's

[32:56] quite painful. And so um there's some

[32:59] connection there. And then you shared to

[33:02] enter it with awe with a sense of wonder

[33:04] and curiosity and and maybe I'm adding

[33:07] my own, but it seemed like what you were

[33:09] saying is to enter into difficult things

[33:11] and painful things and things that are

[33:13] hard to actually be with with awe.

[33:16] That's that's maybe I'm adding but I'm

[33:18] curious if that's what you were saying.

[33:19] I'd like to understand and hear more

[33:21] about that because I think of a yeah

[33:23] being watching the I love that imagery

[33:26] in the poem of the the sunlight

[33:28] streaming through the trees with the

[33:30] icicles and just so magical. Um but what

[33:34] about a bringing it to the things that

[33:36] are not so apparently magical?

[33:40] Well, uh there was a famous uh recently

[33:45] uh memorialized event on September 11th

[33:49] in 2001 which created uh a mass

[33:54] worldwide almost uh experience of awe

[33:59] and something that was terrible.

[34:03] So um awe is uh and that that's an

[34:08] extremely dramatic example but uh awe uh

[34:13] is is not just about good things. It it

[34:16] incorporates uh fantastic things that

[34:20] are are seem unbelievable seem

[34:23] unbelievable. [clears throat] Uh when I

[34:25] was trying to stop drinking uh for years

[34:30] I tried everything that I was told about

[34:33] to stop drinking and it wasn't until I

[34:36] started hanging out with other people

[34:38] who'd successfully given up drinking

[34:40] that slowly over the space of about a

[34:42] year I was able to actually give up

[34:46] drinking. And to me that was a

[34:48] completely unfathomable

[34:51] uh miracle

[34:53] uh and still kind of is 26 years later.

[34:57] [snorts] Um so uh awe like our awakening

[35:01] our Zen awakening covers everything and

[35:05] it's well as I said in my talk it's it's

[35:08] an invitation. uh the experience of awe

[35:12] is pulling me towards understanding

[35:16] something and uh the most beneficial uh

[35:21] understandings that I've had uh have

[35:24] have been around things that are are

[35:26] difficult and painful and uh I feel that

[35:31] Zen and lots of psychotherapy if you

[35:35] have good insurance

[35:37] uh have helped me to uh meet

[35:42] what seemed like an unbearable childhood

[35:46] and meet many of the uh internal

[35:51] sensations that led me to drugs and to

[35:54] alcohol

[35:55] uh and and those are very fruitful

[35:58] insights uh and have their own beauty.

[36:03] In fact, I'm going to tell you a story.

[36:05] On September 11th, 2001, I was sitting

[36:08] in Howard Cohen's meditation group uh in

[36:13] San Francisco. And because uh of what

[36:16] happened that day, he'd asked uh Eugene

[36:18] Cash to come and and teach with him.

[36:21] [snorts] And these are two teachers from

[36:24] uh Spirit Rock and the Passa teachers.

[36:28] And and that's when it is that I met

[36:30] Eugene Kash who became my first teacher.

[36:33] And they asked the question that night

[36:37] during our discussion, is it possible to

[36:40] understand why the hijackers

[36:44] did this? And being an old lefty, it was

[36:48] possible for me to understand even at

[36:50] that dramatic time. What was the big

[36:54] question for me was is it possible to

[36:56] understand and have compassion for the

[36:59] American military-industrial comp

[37:02] complex which I knew was going to embark

[37:04] on on killing you know thousands and

[37:07] thousands of innocent people. And so

[37:09] that that started a process of that that

[37:13] came out of awe looking very deeply at a

[37:17] special kind of suffering in our world.

[37:21] And uh

[37:24] it's a really weird thing to have

[37:26] compassion

[37:28] for the American indust

[37:30] military-industrial complex,

[37:34] but it's amazing.

[37:36] It's amazing.

[37:42] Did you say 11:15 for the hard stop?

[37:46] Well, we got a lot of time. I thought my

[37:49] talk was longer. Yes, please. What's

[37:51] your name?

[37:52] >> Uh, good morning. My name is Kate.

[37:54] >> Hi, Kate.

[37:55] >> Hi. Um, I would like to understand more

[37:58] the connection between awe and karma.

[38:01] since you touched on karma and I'm

[38:03] wondering if

[38:06] you believe experiences of awe

[38:09] can shift your karma if you

[38:13] take steps to make decisions that have

[38:17] better or more beneficial consequences.

[38:24] Uh yes, I think that awe is the

[38:27] invitation to

[38:29] uh actually change our relationship with

[38:33] what it is that's happened in the past.

[38:37] And uh

[38:39] once [snorts]

[38:40] Reb Anderson in this very seat said uh

[38:44] that it's possible to change

[38:48] his relationship with his father and uh

[38:52] you know uh that was amazing to me uh

[38:55] that what was that really possible? My

[38:58] father was an alcoholic and uh he didn't

[39:02] abuse me any way in any way but he

[39:05] neglected me and my three sisters

[39:08] because he was insane with addiction

[39:13] and uh I had a lot of work to do around

[39:16] that and uh I was a certain way because

[39:21] of childhood neglect which we know well

[39:25] now because it happens to so many of

[39:27] has uh very specific effects on how it

[39:30] is that we live our lives and what kind

[39:32] of relationships we pursue. [snorts] And

[39:35] looking at that uh looking at at uh

[39:41] these karmic conditionings that I had

[39:46] made it uh so that I began and doing it

[39:49] just in little bits at a time and

[39:52] talking about it with my teacher,

[39:53] talking about it with therapists,

[39:54] talking about it with other people, my

[39:56] spiritual friends who many of whom are

[39:58] going through the same things or have

[40:00] gone through the same things. Um I I

[40:03] begin to uh have a a sense of uh the

[40:08] magnitude of karma and uh that for me uh

[40:15] creates a a feeling of awe in my heart

[40:18] which draws me closer to these karmic

[40:22] consequences

[40:24] and hopefully uh I am a a a ordained

[40:29] priest so hopefully

[40:32] uh looking at uh karmic conditioning

[40:36] will inspire me to uh practice the

[40:39] precepts,

[40:41] the moral uh guidelines for living.

[40:46] [snorts] Uh which then changes how it is

[40:48] that I live my life right now. So I not

[40:51] only can change the past but change uh

[40:55] the present and the future.

[40:58] doesn't always change in the way I want

[41:00] it to, but uh it sure changes.

[41:07] Great questions.

[41:12] Oh. Oh, we've got one. Oh, yes. Okay.

[41:15] >> I saw you, Sho.

[41:18] >> My name is Chang. Um, do you have any

[41:21] advice on uh smartphone addiction these

[41:24] days?

[41:26] >> [snorts]

[41:27] >> You know, I was talking with someone

[41:29] yesterday, the person who did the Dharma

[41:30] talk at at City Center. Erin Murk is a

[41:33] teacher of uh I went to school in

[41:37] England, so I don't I don't know what

[41:39] your American I think it was. I think

[41:41] it's middle school.

[41:43] And she talked about how smart how old

[41:47] are people in middle school?

[41:50] >> 12.

[41:51] >> 12. 12 14. So she talked about how these

[41:54] 12 and 14 year olds uh they've almost

[41:58] completely grown up for tw 12 and 14

[42:01] years with some kind of a a a hostility

[42:06] towards technology.

[42:09] So maybe some of their parents are

[42:11] saying, you know, put the phone down

[42:13] when we're when we're eating or but that

[42:16] she she said that she's really surprised

[42:18] how this year and last year there have

[42:21] been many young children who want to go

[42:24] uh what did she call it? They want to go

[42:28] >> I'm sorry analog. Yes, thank you.

[42:31] [laughter]

[42:32] They want to go analog. They don't want

[42:35] technology. They put it away. They don't

[42:37] they're not on Facebook. They're not in

[42:39] on Instagram. Uh they uh only use their

[42:43] computer for certain things and then

[42:46] they put it down. They play with balls.

[42:48] They they really love uh vinyl records

[42:52] and they're really into vinyl records.

[42:55] And this was amazing to me. This was

[42:57] really amazing to me because uh

[43:01] the cell phone uh smartphone addiction

[43:04] is uh is uh rampant throughout the world

[43:11] [snorts] and it causes so many problems

[43:14] for people that it's going to outlive

[43:18] its addictionness

[43:21] [snorts] and I think that that's

[43:22] happening. uh AI is only going to make

[43:26] it worse, but we can't go on the way it

[43:29] is that that we are. It's just there's

[43:31] too many people who are asking questions

[43:33] about it and the uh delletterious

[43:37] effects of cell phone addiction or

[43:40] smartphone addiction are are becoming so

[43:43] clear to people.

[43:45] Um that doesn't mean the the addiction

[43:48] stops right away. It doesn't. It takes

[43:50] lots of different things for addictions

[43:53] to end, but uh I'm confident that it

[43:56] will end. Uh I don't know what will

[43:58] happen before then, but

[44:00] we're we're going to see. We're going to

[44:02] see. And with awe.

[44:04] Uh because I'm not afraid of addiction

[44:06] anymore now that I understand my own

[44:08] drug addiction and alcoholism.

[44:11] I'm not afraid of it. I was afraid of it

[44:13] before because it was killing me and it

[44:15] killed many people who I knew. And

[44:17] addiction is a really serious thing. But

[44:19] I'm not scared of it anymore because I

[44:22] have awe in it. It's amazing to me this

[44:27] uh it's called an infinite scroll

[44:30] where you can scroll on your phone and

[44:33] never come to the end of the page. Just

[44:36] keep scrolling.

[44:39] It's sickening.

[44:42] Do it. Do it. And and be present while

[44:45] you're doing it. It will end, but it

[44:48] takes time. I'm not I'm I'm not

[44:50] completely uh uh immune to it.

[44:57] We have rules at Zen Center about phones

[44:59] when you take your phone out, but people

[45:01] now carry the schedule for a one day

[45:04] sitting on their phone. And so, you

[45:08] know, you see the abbott looking at his

[45:10] phone to see when the next period of

[45:12] Zazen's going to end. [laughter]

[45:16] We're going to have a a a technologyfree

[45:19] sasheen at um at San Francisco Zen

[45:23] Center at City Center where you're going

[45:25] to have to you're going to have to check

[45:26] your phone uh at the door and [snorts]

[45:30] any computer that you have.

[45:36] That scares me.

[45:40] >> Sasheen is a a retreat. Sorry. Thank you

[45:44] for asking. I try not to use jargon but

[45:47] I do. Sasheen is a a means a

[45:51] concentrated gathering of the mind. So

[45:54] it's where we sit all day uh for periods

[45:57] of half an hour, 40 minutes, sometimes

[45:59] an hour and then we walk for 10 minutes

[46:01] and then sit for another hour, walk for

[46:04] 10 minutes. You eat in the zeno. So we

[46:07] eat in here in this room. We eat a

[46:09] ceremonial uh or it's beautiful. It's a

[46:12] way of mindful eating and um it's a

[46:16] wonderful thing to do. It's suggested

[46:18] however that that you first do a half

[46:20] day beginner sit before you do that

[46:23] because it's pretty intense way to live

[46:24] a day and it's wonderful wonderful.

[46:29] Yes, please. Sho has a question too.

[46:34] >> Good morning.

[46:35] >> Good morning.

[46:36] >> Yeah, my name is uh Olysa. Oie for

[46:39] short.

[46:40] >> Oie. Hi Ollie.

[46:41] >> It's my first time in a temple.

[46:43] >> Welcome.

[46:44] >> My sister brought me out this morning

[46:47] and um and I'm in awe.

[46:50] And so I have several questions. Forgive

[46:52] me. Um does being in awe make you

[46:56] awesome?

[46:58] [laughter]

[47:00] And

[47:01] and the second question is is anybody

[47:04] else here feeling awesome? [laughter]

[47:07] Bunch of hands went up. shy hands.

[47:10] >> Um, so I I'm I'm originally from uh I'm

[47:14] from Toronto. I I'm originally Nigerian

[47:17] and I moved to uh Toronto about 8 years

[47:21] ago. [snorts] And in my backyard is is

[47:25] no houses. It's farmland. So when it

[47:28] snows,

[47:30] boy, it's beautiful. And I'm always in

[47:33] awe. Like I'm always looking at this and

[47:35] I'm wondering do my neighbors who have

[47:38] been living there for the past few years

[47:41] longer than I have that same feeling of

[47:44] awe?

[47:46] And if they do um my last question will

[47:50] be how can I you know create this awe

[47:55] like consistently for not just for me

[47:58] but maybe for my family back home in

[48:00] Nigeria. Thank you. [snorts]

[48:03] Well, uh, do do the people, uh,

[48:06] experience awe like you do, the people

[48:08] who've lived there even longer than you

[48:09] have? And they might if they're not

[48:13] looking at their phones.

[48:15] So, how do we create this kind of awe

[48:19] for people around the world? We talk

[48:22] about our own experiences of awe, which

[48:25] is what you just did.

[48:28] So we gather together with others and

[48:31] that's how it is that we train each

[48:34] other in awe.

[48:37] [snorts] That's what we do in our Zen

[48:39] Buddhist practice where SA which means a

[48:42] community of practitioners is very

[48:44] important.

[48:46] And so we come together and someone who

[48:49] hopefully has a small amount of wisdom

[48:52] speaks like this and then we have this

[48:54] discussion and very importantly we have

[48:58] a much more casual discussion afterwards

[49:01] outside with some baked goods. I hope

[49:02] there's baked goods today because there

[49:05] isn't always but they're fantastic here.

[49:08] So uh awe is spread through interaction.

[49:14] always spread through interaction and

[49:16] and he actually uh uh the professor at

[49:19] Berkeley, he goes into great detail

[49:22] about how social awe is,

[49:26] how uh it is is is reliant on human

[49:31] interaction and the breaking down of

[49:34] this separate individual self that send

[49:37] us sends us to the survival that we're

[49:39] seeking in our in our smartphones.

[49:43] all breaks that down and that's the

[49:46] central teaching of Zen Buddhism is that

[49:51] uh there's no such thing as a separate

[49:54] individual self.

[49:58] Shako had a question right here.

[50:05] [snorts] I think two more questions and

[50:07] then we're going to be done.

[50:09] >> Hi, my name is Shokco.

[50:10] >> Hi Shoko. It's good to see you here,

[50:13] Tim. Thank you so much.

[50:14] >> Oh my gosh, it's great to see you.

[50:16] Um I want to go back to your um uh

[50:20] [snorts] talking about the story of

[50:22] asking your teacher about sate patana

[50:26] practice and and and uh um so you know

[50:31] in Zen and

[50:33] just generally I think we're advised a

[50:36] lot to avoid overintellectualizing

[50:40] um

[50:41] >> and and then we're presented with a

[50:43] numberless

[50:45] amount of numbered lists uh to memorize

[50:49] and and think about. And so um I

[50:53] [snorts] guess my question is does it

[50:56] does it help to know these four satias

[51:01] and concentrate on them [snorts]

[51:02] or is it something that

[51:05] by objectless meditation we will just

[51:09] inevitably

[51:12] you know get to these uh points. But do

[51:16] you think it helps to have the names in

[51:18] the numbered lists?

[51:20] Well, uh, thank you for a wonderful

[51:23] question as usual, Shoko. Uh,

[51:26] uh,

[51:28] Buddhism, Buddhism is wonder. I used to

[51:30] be a Marxist and you could read all of

[51:33] Marx's writings and go and argue about

[51:36] them because, you know, he died and

[51:38] there wasn't anything else. Uh, with

[51:40] Buddhism, you can't do that. It's

[51:43] there's so much uh to uh understand. I I

[51:48] I don't know what all the lists are. I'm

[51:50] an ordained priest and I don't know what

[51:53] all the lists are. I can't reme I don't

[51:54] remember all of them. Um [snorts] I'm I

[51:57] wasn't trained in a memorizing culture.

[51:59] We I go to my phone if I want to look

[52:01] something up.

[52:04] [snorts] Um but uh it it because

[52:08] Buddhism is so vast uh I I think you

[52:12] take what you need and you leave the

[52:13] rest.

[52:14] >> [snorts]

[52:15] >> Um don't cherrypick whatever it is is

[52:18] going to continue unhealthy or unh

[52:21] wholesome living. Go towards what is

[52:24] warm. And [snorts] to me the Satipatana

[52:27] Sutra was warm at a time in my life when

[52:31] I was asking what is going on inside of

[52:34] me

[52:36] where I actually had some uh interest in

[52:40] what it was that was going on inside of

[52:42] me that that wasn't destroyed by fear.

[52:47] And so it acted as a guide. The

[52:49] Satipatana Sutra acted as a a very basic

[52:53] guide to the interior of my existence

[52:59] and uh that was

[53:03] useful to me. So we take the lists that

[53:06] are useful and make sure rep doesn't

[53:09] hear me say this because [snorts] uh I'm

[53:13] I'm not a purist when it comes to

[53:15] everything. I love the fact that you uh

[53:18] you you you you can't read everything

[53:21] that there is to read about Buddhism.

[53:23] I'm constantly finding new things.

[53:26] [snorts]

[53:28] That's it.

[53:29] >> Oh, we have one from

[53:30] >> Oh, we have a question online. Yes,

[53:31] thank you. Gosh, I forgot about that.

[53:33] This will be our final question.

[53:35] >> Thank you, Tim. Uh this is Mark from our

[53:37] online SA. He asks, "Can you talk

[53:40] slightly more about awefulness,

[53:43] difficult awe, and healthy diminishing

[53:45] of the boundary between self and

[53:47] others?"

[53:50] >> I hate to keep using 911, but it's such

[53:54] an amazing uh example

[53:59] because here was something absolutely

[54:03] awful that happened. We watched it on

[54:06] television.

[54:09] I know New York. I knew the streets. I

[54:12] knew the Twin Towers.

[54:14] This was beyond belief terrible thing

[54:17] that happened.

[54:20] And what immediately

[54:23] resulted from that was people breaking

[54:27] down their separate individual self

[54:31] and moving towards each other.

[54:35] And that was a beautiful thing.

[54:40] It was a horrifying thing because many

[54:43] of the people who moved towards other

[54:46] people in that time of need were were

[54:49] were killed, died.

[54:51] Many people died afterwards. But there

[54:53] was this sense of togetherness that was

[54:57] breaking down much of the uh

[55:02] separateness that led to

[55:06] uh the kind of uh horrors that that

[55:10] inspired people to hijack those those

[55:13] planes.

[55:15] So this is once again in Zen

[55:19] things are not separate. Suffering and

[55:22] the solution to suffering are not

[55:24] separate. When we we sew our robes, I

[55:26] tell people this all the time. Sorry,

[55:28] Eric, you've heard this before. Um when

[55:30] we sew our robes, I'm a sewing teacher

[55:32] at at City Center. We make our robes and

[55:37] uh uh we make the little bib like rockas

[55:41] and uh we have to do it in a very

[55:43] special way. You have to go to class and

[55:45] get taught and Steph Blanc is the

[55:47] teacher here. And uh you're taught to

[55:50] make the robe and and you take refuge

[55:53] with each stitch. You take refuge with

[55:55] the Buddha, the Dharma, and the SA. And

[55:59] when we sew them, they're they're

[56:01] they're made of rows. Uh my big one

[56:04] right here has seven rows. The small

[56:06] ones have five rows. And each row is

[56:08] made up of a a short piece and a long

[56:10] piece. And the long pieces are the

[56:14] wisdom pieces

[56:16] which no offense to any terraodons in

[56:20] the room. It felt when I was practicing

[56:22] with my terraoden teacher like he was

[56:25] going after the the wisdom. He was

[56:28] trying to shut out the ignorance and the

[56:31] delusion. But in Zen when we make our

[56:33] ropes we we sew the big panels to little

[56:38] panels and the little panels are the

[56:40] ignorance panels. [snorts]

[56:42] So wisdom and ignorance come together in

[56:46] our whole view of what it is to be uh

[56:49] awakened. We're not discarding that.

[56:54] We know that it's a part of our

[56:58] salvation

[56:59] in the awfulness

[57:03] uh of human existence. The wars, the

[57:06] suffering, the the destruction, the

[57:08] terrible things that we do to each

[57:10] other. All of that is included in the

[57:14] process of awakening. And we must look

[57:16] at all of it. We must look at all of it.

[57:18] And Zen asks us to do that. So, I hope

[57:21] that answered the question. And if it

[57:23] didn't, get in touch with me at San

[57:26] Francisco's Zen Center.

[57:30] Okay,

[57:32] let's chant.

[57:54] way.

[58:01] I

[58:04] save them.

[58:06] Delusions

[58:08] are impossible.

[58:11] I love

[58:14] them.

[58:17] [music and singing]

[58:21] I [singing] love

[58:24] them.

[58:32] I

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The Satipatthana Sutra is a foundational Theravada discourse that teaches the four establishings of mindfulness: mindfulness of the body, feelings, mind, and dharmas. In the Green Gulch talk, Tim Wicks describes it as the direct path to the disappearance of dukkha and as the source of the practice and theory of vipassana, or deep insight.
Tim Wicks explains that sati carries meanings of mindfulness, memory, recollection, and returning to something familiar, while upatthana means to establish, verify, investigate, or be present. Together they suggest present mindfulness, or mindfulness established in the here and now.
The talk's description says Wicks likens the sutra's objective instructions to the objectless practice of Zen. The sutra gives specific objects to observe, while Zen sitting does not, but the disciplined seeing the sutra trains can ground that open sitting.
As Wicks lists them, the five hindrances to awakening are sensual desire, aversion, sloth or tiredness, anxiety, and doubt. The sutra presents them within its mindfulness of dharmas, as things to be seen clearly rather than obeyed.
Wicks says the detailed catalogue of body parts, from hair and skin to bile and urine, is meant to make the practitioner consider the body as an object of study. He notes he had never considered his body that way before, and the sutra applies the same analysis to feelings and mind.
Wicks connects awe to the sense of being in the presence of something vast that transcends the ordinary self. He suggests that careful attention can open into that wider experience, and he contrasts it with the distraction of looking down at phones.
Wicks, who practices in the Zen tradition, presents the sutra as useful across schools. He describes it as the first sutra he read and says it gave him a framework for understanding his internal experience, which he then brings into a Zen setting.

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