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Reincarnation Case: A Four-Year-Old's Map to a Past Life

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The Telepathy Tapes
Nov 4, 2026
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出典:The Telepathy Tapes

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Every time Bonsa tried to bathe her baby brother, he screamed as though something terrible were happening to him. She was about eighteen, a teenager in a Sri Lankan household where caring for a younger sibling was ordinary work, and she had no framework for a toddler who treated water like a threat. Only later, as Esra began talking in full sentences, did the screaming start to make a different kind of sense. Before he was two, he was describing a death: he had been drowning, a rock had struck his chest, and a figure had come down from the sky to carry him away. The episode, the fifth installment of the Reincarnation Records season from The Telepathy Tapes, follows that single toddler's claims through a Harvard neuroscientist's investigation, a dead fourteen-year-old's family, and a four-year-old's hand-drawn map. Its central question is one the season has been circling for weeks: when children carry memories of a violent death, is there anything healing about remembering it, naming it, and finally talking it through? The answer the episode reaches for is not tidy, and that is part of why the case is worth more than a ghost story.

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Why did a toddler's fear of water become a case file?

Ordinary family life produced the first clues. Esra's sister noticed a phobia that didn't match anything in his short history, and she did something many caregivers never do: she wrote things down. The episode's host, Kai Dickens, is careful to stress how much that record matters. Reincarnation claims are only as strong as the timeline behind them, and the most valuable evidence is a child's statements recorded before anyone has gone looking for a matching person. Esra's family was documenting his words long before a dead teenager entered the picture.

The approach is the one associated with the late University of Virginia psychiatrist Ian Stevenson, whose work the earlier episodes of this season examined in depth. Stevenson argued that Sri Lanka's Buddhist culture, in which belief in rebirth is woven into everyday life, made families more willing to report unusual statements and more willing to let investigators hear them. The episode is clear about the limit of that argument. A culture that takes rebirth seriously does not produce more reincarnation, it produces more cases that can be found and examined. The reporting environment changes; the underlying question does not.

Who was the dead boy, and why does one year matter?

The boy the family's descriptions pointed toward was a fourteen-year-old named Thilanga Madhushan Ranasinghe, known by his initials, TMR. He lived in Kandy, the last royal capital of Sri Lanka, in the hills near the Temple of the Tooth, the island's most sacred Buddhist shrine, which houses a relic believed to be the Buddha's tooth. TMR went to a local river with friends and did not come home. He drowned on January 31, 2001.

Esra was born exactly one year later, on January 31, 2002. The date alone is the kind of coincidence that can make a researcher uneasy, and the episode treats it that way. Esra's family lived nearly 200 miles to the south, where people speak a different dialect and keep different cultural traditions. The two families had no obvious connection. The gap between the two lives was, in the words of the lead investigator, the feature that made the case stand out:

"This case is one of the most layered and confounding that I've encountered in my research. It involves two boys separated by exactly one year."
— Dr. Akila Weerasinghe, Reincarnation Records, episode 5 (about 4:33)

How did a Harvard neuroscientist end up in this case?

Dr. Akila Weerasinghe was not looking for a reincarnation case when he found this one. His research is in neuroimaging and psychiatry, and he joined Harvard Medical School in 2019. The episode traces his path into the subject to an essay contest backed by the Bigelow Institute for Consciousness Studies, founded by aerospace entrepreneur Robert Bigelow, which offered almost $2 million in prize money to anyone who could make a serious case about what happens after death. Entrants had to show real experience investigating consciousness or expertise in their field.

Weerasinghe chose reincarnation as the framework he would test, and he remembered a newspaper article from the early 2000s describing a Sri Lankan boy who had started recalling a past life at about eighteen months. He went back to that reporting, then contacted Esra, who by then was in his early twenties and agreed to take part. The episode notes the echo of Stevenson's own path: Stevenson was pulled into reincarnation research nearly seventy years earlier through a similar kind of open invitation. In both cases, the question came first and the commitment came later.

What did the family say the boy remembered?

Here the story moves from the researcher's paperwork to the family's memory of the toddler. Esra, the episode reports, started talking about his drowning very young. He named his previous mother and father, the school he attended, and his friends. Weerasinghe describes Esra's sister as the person who first wrote much of it down, and he recounts her report of one of the earliest things the boy said:

"I was drowning."
— Dr. Akila Weerasinghe, relaying his sister's account, Reincarnation Records, episode 5 (about 5:32)

The memories got more specific. Esra described a rescue that never came. In his telling, an uncle arrived in a chariot and carried him up to the sky, a detail that his older sister, Bonsa, struggled to make sense of at the time. Through an interpreter, Bonsa recounted that he had fallen into the water, that a rock struck his chest, and that he could no longer breathe. When he was born, he had a visible dent in the middle of his chest. The doctors were concerned at first.

The episode treats that physical detail carefully. Weerasinghe's paper includes photographs and x-rays of the boy, and the chest deformity is real. The medical notes he cites describe it as a congenital chest wall deformity, a condition the episode says occurs in roughly one in 400 children. A birth defect cannot prove a previous death; children are born with many conditions that have no link to anything. What makes this one more than a curiosity is the match between where the family says the rock struck and where the dent appears, and the timing of the statement that connects them. That is precisely the kind of pairing Stevenson spent his career trying to document, and precisely the kind a skeptic will want to pick apart.

Can a four-year-old's map be checked against the ground?

By about four, Esra was doing something more concrete than talking. He drew a map, in Microsoft Paint, of the temple and the house he said he remembered from his previous life. The drawing included landmarks that the episode describes as a wooded area and a real elephant, a tusker that served at the temple. He also started talking about going home. The episode presents this as the point where the case stopped being a family story and became a reluctant search. Nobody on the investigative side was eager to build a narrative that could be shaped by hope, so the team went to check what the boy had drawn against what actually existed.

The result was the moment the episode builds toward. Weerasinghe describes the team's reaction to the drawing matching the real place:

"I cannot believe the map was correct."
— Reincarnation Records, episode 5 (about 30:13)

A map that matches is not the same as a proven identity. The episode is honest about that. A four-year-old on a family's home turf could absorb a great deal from adults, from television, from overheard stories about a local temple. The investigators' job is to ask what could have been known and by whom, and whether the statements could have come from ordinary channels. The episode's most useful lesson is that a case like this one is not built on a single striking detail. It is built on many small ones, recorded in order, then checked against records that exist outside the family's memory.

Could confronting a past life actually heal anyone?

The season's larger question sits underneath all of this. Carol Bowman, whose work the season has discussed earlier, raised the issue that gives this episode its emotional stakes. Most children who remember a previous life remember a traumatic death, and a child who arrives in this life carrying fear, anger, grief, or resentment about how that life ended may be carrying something that needs to be spoken aloud. The host framed it as a direct question:

"Could remembering and confronting past lives actually be healing?"
— Kai Dickens, Reincarnation Records, episode 5 (about 2:43 to 3:40 introduction)

The episode does not claim a neat answer. What it shows is a family that did something unusual: it treated a toddler's fear of water as a message rather than a symptom to be soothed and forgotten. Bonsa's documentation, the family's willingness to connect with the other family, and the eventual meeting between the two sets of relatives are all part of a process that looks, from the outside, like an attempt to give a painful memory a place to land. Whether that process heals anything is a question the episode leaves open. It does make a stronger case that memory, once acknowledged, is harder to keep in fear.

Where to go from here

If this case has you rethinking how children talk about death, start with the earlier episodes of this season. The Ian Stevenson material explains the method behind the questions asked in Esra's case, and the earlier episodes set out the standards investigators use to separate a striking statement from a verified one. Pay attention, too, to how the episode itself handles uncertainty: the most convincing parts are the ones that name the alternative explanation before a listener can. Reincarnation claims are rarely settled by one dramatic moment. They are built, if they are built at all, from records that were kept before anyone knew what they would prove.

For readers who want to follow the case itself, Dr. Weerasinghe's published paper is the primary source the episode draws on, and the episode's interviews with Esra and Bonsa give you the family's account in their own words. Listen for the places where the story sounds most certain, then ask what would have to be true for each detail to be ordinary. That habit, more than any single conclusion, is what this episode is trying to teach.

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[0:00] Hey, it's Kai here. For every episode

[0:02] this season, I'll be personally logging

[0:04] into YouTube on Wednesday around 10:00

[0:05] a.m. Pacific time to personally reply to

[0:08] as many comments and questions as I can.

[0:09] So, can't wait to hear from you guys and

[0:11] to engage. Thanks. Hey everyone, this is

[0:13] Kai Dickens and you're listening to the

[0:15] Reincarnation Records from TTT Media.

[0:26] Welcome back to the Reincarnation

[0:28] Records. This is episode 5. And quick

[0:30] disclaimer, this season builds on every

[0:32] episode that came before it. So, if you

[0:34] have not listened to the first four

[0:35] episodes, I highly encourage you to go

[0:37] back and do so now.

[0:39] For the last two episodes, we've been at

[0:41] the University of Virginia's Division of

[0:42] Perceptual Studies learning about the

[0:44] work of Dr. Ian Stevenson and the

[0:46] thousands of children that he rigorously

[0:48] studied who reported memories of

[0:50] previous lives. But for this episode, we

[0:52] wanted to go deep into one case, a case

[0:54] with many of the elements Stevenson

[0:56] looked for, spontaneous memories that

[0:58] begin very young and a detailed record

[1:00] of what the child said before anyone

[1:01] went looking for the deceased person who

[1:03] might match. But almost more

[1:05] importantly, we wanted a case that could

[1:06] help us explore a question Carol Bowman

[1:09] raised earlier in this season. Could

[1:10] remembering and confronting past lives

[1:13] actually be healing? Because in the

[1:15] majority of the cases where children

[1:16] remember past lives, they remember a

[1:18] traumatic death. And if some children

[1:20] come into this life carrying fear,

[1:22] anger, grief, or resentment over how

[1:24] another life ended, is there a benefit

[1:26] to confronting those memories head-on,

[1:28] to talking about what happened,

[1:30] understanding it, and maybe even finding

[1:32] some kind of peace, forgiveness, and

[1:34] resolution? And that's really the

[1:36] question at the heart of the case we're

[1:37] about to tell you.

[1:39] >> And he apparently started to remember

[1:41] his past life when he was about 18

[1:43] months. He started talking about his

[1:45] drowning. He started remembering his

[1:48] previous mother's name, father, where he

[1:51] went to school, his friends.

[1:54] >> That was Dr. Akila Weerasinghe, the

[1:56] Harvard neuroscientist who brought us

[1:57] the the that we'll be diving into today.

[2:00] And when we first met him, he wanted to

[2:01] make it very clear that studying

[2:03] reincarnation is not his job. Him

[2:05] becoming an expert on this case was

[2:07] definitely not on his bingo card.

[2:09] >> My name is Akila Weerasinghe. My main

[2:11] research involves neuroimaging and

[2:14] psychiatry at the moment. I got an

[2:15] appointment at Harvard Medical School in

[2:17] 2019.

[2:18] >> And today we're diving into a modern Sri

[2:20] Lankan case that consumed Dr.

[2:22] Weerasinghe's life for a few years

[2:24] because he entered an essay contest

[2:26] supported by the Bigelow Institute for

[2:28] Consciousness Studies, which was founded

[2:30] by aerospace entrepreneur Robert Bigelow

[2:32] to investigate one enormous question.

[2:36] >> Hundreds of people from around the world

[2:37] have been competing in a contest to show

[2:40] there is life after death.

[2:43] >> Las Vegas entrepreneur Robert Bigelow

[2:45] put up almost $2 million in prize money

[2:48] in maybe the biggest essay contest of

[2:50] all time to solve the biggest question

[2:53] of all time.

[2:54] >> Applicants had to demonstrate serious

[2:55] experience investigating consciousness

[2:57] or expertise in their field. And if this

[3:00] sounds familiar from episode 3, you're

[3:02] right. This is exactly how Dr. Ian

[3:03] Stevenson was swept into reincarnation

[3:05] research nearly 70 years ago.

[3:07] >> It was an essay competition. I thought

[3:10] maybe I could submit something with a

[3:12] collaborator. You can have any different

[3:14] type of models to explain what happened

[3:16] to consciousness after death. So I chose

[3:19] reincarnation.

[3:20] >> Dr. Weerasinghe grew up in Sri Lanka, a

[3:23] lush island nation just off the southern

[3:25] tip of India. About 70% of Sri Lanka is

[3:28] Buddhist and the belief in rebirth is

[3:30] woven into everyday life. University of

[3:32] Virginia Professor Dr. Ian Stevenson

[3:34] spent a lot of time there himself and he

[3:37] postulated that the culture's openness

[3:39] to rebirth made families more likely to

[3:40] report extraordinary stories, allowing

[3:43] investigators like him to document

[3:44] children's statements before they could

[3:46] be influenced or forgotten. And many

[3:48] investigators are quick to point out

[3:50] that this doesn't mean reincarnation

[3:52] happens in Sri Lanka more often, it

[3:54] simply means the cases are easier to

[3:56] find and investigate.

[3:57] And Dr. Weerasinghe remembered hearing

[4:00] about a compelling reincarnation case

[4:01] there involving a boy named Esra.

[4:04] >> A newspaper article was written about

[4:06] the case. This was in early 2000s and

[4:09] apparently Esra started to remember his

[4:12] past life when he was about 18 months.

[4:15] So I went back and I checked it and then

[4:17] I was able to contact Esra.

[4:19] >> So Esra is the boy central to this case

[4:21] that started recalling epic details of a

[4:23] past life in the early 2000s.

[4:25] >> He was in his early 20s and then he

[4:27] agreed to participate in the study. So

[4:30] that's how I got involved because of the

[4:32] big yellow competition.

[4:33] >> This case is one of the most layered and

[4:35] confounding that I've encountered in my

[4:37] research. It involves two boys separated

[4:39] by exactly one year. The first boy was

[4:42] named Tilanga Madhushan Ranasinghe and

[4:44] most people called him by his initials

[4:46] TMR which is how we'll refer to him. He

[4:49] lived in the city of Kandy, the last

[4:51] royal capital of Sri Lanka in the

[4:53] rolling hills near the Temple of Tooth,

[4:55] the country's most sacred Buddhist

[4:56] temple which houses a relic believed to

[4:59] be the Buddha's tooth. And TMR was 14

[5:02] years old when he went to a local river

[5:04] with friends and never came home.

[5:07] >> And he drowned in a river in Kandy

[5:11] January 31st, 2001.

[5:13] >> Exactly one year later Esra was born on

[5:16] January 31st, 2002. He was welcomed into

[5:19] a family that has nothing to do with

[5:21] this boy TMR. In fact, Esra's family

[5:24] lived nearly 200 miles to the south

[5:26] where there's a different dialect and

[5:28] even different cultural traditions. And

[5:30] we're you're able to interview Esra for

[5:32] this story.

[5:32] >> Hello everyone, it's me Esra Abashetha

[5:35] from Sri Lanka.

[5:36] Right now I'm 24 years old.

[5:39] >> Esra's oldest sister Bonsa took care of

[5:41] him when he was a baby and toddler which

[5:43] was common culturally. She was around 18

[5:46] years old when he was born but

[5:47] caregiving for this new baby brother was

[5:49] nothing she could have prepared for.

[5:51] In fact, one of the things she first

[5:53] noticed is that he would scream bloody

[5:54] murder when she tried to bathe him.

[5:56] >> His sister noticed that he has phobias.

[6:00] He doesn't want to shower like he's

[6:02] scared of water.

[6:03] >> And when he was about a year and a half

[6:05] old, he started saying something

[6:07] terrifying, that he remembered dying.

[6:10] >> His older sister told me that when he

[6:12] was quite young, one of the first things

[6:15] that he said, "I was drowning."

[6:17] >> Mama, what do they do when he did?

[6:19] >> And this uncle in a chariot came down

[6:23] and took me up to the sky.

[6:26] And then the sister was like she she

[6:27] didn't really understand what was

[6:28] happening.

[6:29] >> Isra's older sister, Bonsa, was the

[6:31] first person to meticulously start

[6:33] documenting this case, and we were able

[6:35] to interview her as well.

[6:36] >> So, Bonsa, do you feel comfortable

[6:38] speaking English?

[6:40] >> Not like my brother.

[6:41] >> That's okay. Maybe Aquila, do you want

[6:43] to translate?

[6:44] >> Hi, Bonsa. Okay, you can ask specific

[6:46] questions. She remembers more than Isra.

[6:49] >> Yeah.

[6:49] >> Documented everything.

[6:51] >> So, I know earlier he said he drowned

[6:52] and he saw a chariot come and take him

[6:54] to the sky. But, Bonsa, did he say how

[6:57] it happened?

[6:59] >> So, she's saying that he said he fell

[7:01] into the water and some type of a rock

[7:04] hit his chest and then he couldn't

[7:06] breathe. And when he was born, he had

[7:08] this dent caved into the chest.

[7:11] >> And is it He says it's still there? Are

[7:13] there any marks or any problems

[7:15] breathing?

[7:19] >> This dent still is visible and his mom

[7:22] told me that when he was born, it was

[7:24] very visible. The doctors were a bit

[7:27] concerned about it in the beginning.

[7:29] >> I have Dr. Weerasinghe's huge paper in

[7:31] front of me and it has pictures and

[7:33] x-rays of Isra from when he was younger

[7:35] and it is true that on the middle left

[7:37] side of his chest, there is a dent. And

[7:40] his doctors noted it's a congenital

[7:42] chest wall deformity that occurs in

[7:44] about 1 in 400 children and no other

[7:46] family members have a similar birth

[7:47] defect.

[7:48] >> When he was younger, he said a specific

[7:50] name that another boy drowned with him,

[7:53] that my friend Duminda also died that

[7:57] day.

[7:57] >> This part really gets me because a boy

[7:59] saying he drowned and hit his chest on a

[8:00] rock and couldn't breathe is one thing.

[8:02] Stating a name of someone who he says

[8:04] died with him is something else

[8:06] entirely. And then he started to talk

[8:08] about a city where his family has no

[8:10] connections nearly 200 miles away.

[8:12] >> When Israel was about 1 year 9 months,

[8:15] he started to say he's from Kandy in the

[8:18] southern province of Sri Lanka.

[8:20] >> Israel Kandy Kandy Kandy Kandy Kandy

[8:22] >> He started describing this place Kandy.

[8:25] They've never been to Kandy before. It's

[8:27] like a 6-7 hour drive from where he was

[8:30] born.

[8:30] >> I start to talk about I want to go to

[8:33] Kandy to see my parents to see my mother

[8:36] in Kandy.

[8:37] >> This is so hard to comprehend and all I

[8:39] can think about is when my kids were

[8:40] really young and you're so excited for

[8:42] not just their first words, but to look

[8:44] at you and say mama. And I cannot

[8:47] imagine if either of my children when

[8:49] they first started talking told me they

[8:51] want to go see their mother or as he

[8:54] sometimes said my other mother.

[8:56] >> As time went by, he started remembering

[8:59] detailed information about the very

[9:01] famous Sri Lankan temple in Kandy. He

[9:04] was explaining how he used to go to the

[9:06] temple with his mother.

[9:08] >> And this is where the story moves beyond

[9:09] a toddler simply bringing up names.

[9:12] Israel starts displaying what

[9:14] researchers at the University of

[9:15] Virginia call private knowledge,

[9:18] information a young child seemingly

[9:20] should have no way of knowing. And it

[9:21] wasn't just Kandy, a city where he's

[9:23] never been or people's names that the

[9:25] family did not know. He started talking

[9:27] intimately and often about the Temple of

[9:29] Tooth. And yes, this temple is famous,

[9:32] but Israel nor his family had ever been

[9:34] there and he wasn't just naming it. He

[9:37] started describing specific events from

[9:39] its past including things that happened

[9:41] before he was born. And he shared these

[9:43] memories as if he'd lived through them.

[9:45] >> One specific that she remembers is that

[9:47] he started talking about the the attack

[9:49] on the Temple of Tooth. There was a bomb

[9:52] attack and there was some destruction in

[9:54] the '90s or the before Israel was born.

[9:57] >> Right. And had they talked about that at

[9:59] home or would he have any way to know

[10:00] about that?

[10:01] >> It was not a recent event and they

[10:03] didn't talk about it. So when he started

[10:06] talking about it, they started

[10:08] remembering.

[10:08] >> I looked up to see if there ever was a

[10:10] bombing at the Temple of the Tooth, and

[10:12] there was in 1998.

[10:14] And I want to note that TMR, the boy

[10:17] that Isra says he was in his past life,

[10:19] would have been 11 years old when the

[10:21] bombing happened.

[10:22] And he died when he was only 14. So, if

[10:24] Isra is somehow remembering TMR's life,

[10:27] this definitely was not a distant

[10:28] historical event. It would have happened

[10:30] during TMR's childhood, just years

[10:32] before he died at a temple that he

[10:34] visited every day with his mother. So,

[10:35] you'd imagine that would leave a mark on

[10:37] a kid. Here is Isra again.

[10:39] >> My elder sister who is joining with me

[10:42] right now in the Zoom, and she took a

[10:46] book and wrote every single thing I'm

[10:49] telling.

[10:50] >> His sister Banaza instinctively did

[10:52] something researchers in this field have

[10:53] emphasized for decades. She wrote

[10:55] everything down before anyone went to

[10:57] look for who he might be describing. And

[11:00] that distinction is uber important

[11:02] because if you want to understand

[11:03] whether child is describing a life that

[11:05] can be verified, you have to know what

[11:07] was said before anyone went looking for

[11:09] the person so it's not influenced. And

[11:11] one of the things she noted early on is

[11:13] just so odd. And when I first heard it,

[11:15] I thought it actually goes against the

[11:17] theory that Isra could have been TMR in

[11:19] a past life.

[11:20] >> She saw he's writing some letters. It

[11:22] was Japanese and then he said that he

[11:24] wanted to use chopsticks to eat. Which

[11:28] we don't do in Sri Lanka, but he wanted

[11:31] to eat with chopsticks.

[11:32] >> So now little Isra is writing Japanese

[11:34] characters and asking to use chopsticks,

[11:37] neither of which are common in Sri

[11:38] Lanka.

[11:39] >> And they have no exposure to Japanese

[11:42] where they were born or where they were

[11:44] lived at the time. He has said that in

[11:46] his previous life an older guy had

[11:49] taught him about this culture.

[11:51] >> So when asked about this, Isra said that

[11:53] he knew how to do these things because

[11:55] he had a caregiver in his previous life

[11:57] as TMR that was Japanese. So file that

[11:59] away because by the end of the episode,

[12:01] we'll see if that checks out. But at

[12:03] this point in the story, the most

[12:04] important thing is that Isra wasn't just

[12:06] talking about his past life. He started

[12:09] exhibiting behaviors, habits, and

[12:11] talents that weren't taught to him and

[12:12] that he did not pick up from the world

[12:14] around him.

[12:15] >> But he remembered that he has played

[12:18] cricket, which is all the play in Sri

[12:19] Lanka.

[12:20] >> In Dr. Weerasinghe's paper, it was noted

[12:22] that Esira as a little boy actually told

[12:24] his sister that he was such a good

[12:25] cricket player that he represented Sri

[12:27] Lanka on a youth national team that took

[12:29] him to India. And at this point in the

[12:31] story, Esira's parents weren't

[12:32] necessarily leaning into these claims.

[12:34] They just wanted them to go away.

[12:36] >> They take him to the Southern Cricket

[12:38] Academy and Esira is the first time he

[12:41] hit the ball as a professional. And then

[12:44] the trainer asked his father like, was

[12:46] he trained before? And you just It's not

[12:49] just like hitting a ball. There's a form

[12:51] to it. And he's like, "No, he doesn't

[12:53] even play cricket."

[12:54] >> And from what I've researched, a cricket

[12:55] batting swing takes a lot of repetition

[12:57] to learn. You have to judge the ball's

[12:59] line and length. You have to move your

[13:01] feet accordingly and bring the bat

[13:02] through straight while generating power.

[13:04] And little Esira, who's preschool age,

[13:06] could do that flawlessly. And the

[13:08] skeptic in me thinks, well, it could

[13:09] have been luck or he could just have

[13:11] natural athletic ability. But then Esira

[13:13] demonstrated another talent that luck

[13:15] couldn't really explain away. It had to

[13:17] do with candy and dance, the classical

[13:20] dance tradition from the hill country

[13:21] around Kandy. It has its own specific

[13:24] movements and rhythms and drumming and

[13:25] gestures and it's learned through

[13:27] training. From a Western perspective,

[13:29] think of something like the Scottish

[13:30] Highland dancing. It has a very

[13:32] particular cultural tradition attached

[13:34] to it with its own technique. And

[13:35] remember that Esira lived almost 200

[13:38] miles from Kandy and had never been

[13:39] there. So, one day when Esira was still

[13:41] very little, around 2 3 years old, there

[13:43] was a parade.

[13:47] >> Within the procession, sometimes they

[13:49] drum these Kandyan dancing beats. So,

[13:52] when this little Esira hear this, he

[13:55] started dancing how the Kandyan people

[13:57] danced, those dances.

[13:58] >> I was able to dance all the steps that

[14:01] they have practiced for months and

[14:03] months within just one simple step.

[14:06] >> He was not taught this dance. So, when

[14:08] he hear this noise of the drumming, he

[14:10] started dancing as if somebody taught

[14:12] him that.

[14:12] >> And those steps are perfect.

[14:14] >> But but but Esira, how did you know how

[14:16] to do it? I mean, if you've never been

[14:18] taught it, right? Like, where Where do

[14:19] you think it came from?

[14:20] >> I don't know how it came. I felt like

[14:22] I've done this before, but I cannot

[14:24] explain how it happened. I love the

[14:26] feeling of traditional Kandyan drumming.

[14:29] I felt like all these things are already

[14:32] in my blood.

[14:33] >> He said, "I felt like all of these

[14:34] things were already in my blood."

[14:37] >> I knew it, and I was able to, you know,

[14:39] dance as the same as they were.

[14:42] >> And then, as Isra got better at forming

[14:44] words, details became way more specific.

[14:46] >> He could remember that he had dogs,

[14:49] Jimmy and Chico, all friends.

[14:51] >> So, he knew names of friends and and the

[14:53] dogs. And then came the thing that his

[14:55] family feared most. Isra said he wanted

[14:58] to go to Kandy to see his old family.

[15:00] Here's Isra again.

[15:01] >> I started to talk about I want to go to

[15:04] Kandy to see my parents, to see my

[15:06] mother in Kandy.

[15:07] >> And just to clarify, Isra's talking

[15:09] about visiting his mother, his family

[15:10] from his past life, the one he says he

[15:12] lived before in Kandy. So, just imagine

[15:15] if you were a parent and your child

[15:17] started asking that of you.

[15:19] >> So, that point, they have realized the

[15:21] son, which means I am not talking about

[15:23] to go on a trip, it's something beyond

[15:25] that.

[15:26] >> And when Isra talked about going to see

[15:27] his Kandyan mother and father, something

[15:30] else caught his family's attention. He

[15:32] used a word for father used in the Kandy

[15:34] region, and not their region of the

[15:35] country.

[15:36] >> Kandy dialect is a bit different than

[15:39] rest of the country. There's very

[15:40] particular like name for father,

[15:42] appachchi, like we don't use that.

[15:44] >> Okay, so he said appachchi for father.

[15:46] What do people say where Isra was from?

[15:48] Like, is it similar to that?

[15:49] >> We say that that is more of a European

[15:52] descent word than appachchi. It was not

[15:55] spoken in the down south. So, that was

[15:57] specific to Kandy.

[15:59] >> Okay, so then what happened next and how

[16:00] did he convince them to go down there?

[16:02] >> He's between 2 and 3 years old, and he's

[16:04] telling his father that he wants a

[16:06] computer. And the father bought him a a

[16:09] desktop computer, and then he started

[16:11] using it and using Paint, on Microsoft

[16:14] Paint, he drew a map to his house, his

[16:18] older his previous house. He started

[16:20] constantly talking about it at that

[16:22] point. Like he really wanted to go and

[16:24] he's telling Bansa about, you know, that

[16:26] he really wants to see his mother.

[16:28] >> I want to stop for a second just to take

[16:30] stock of how wild this is. Isra has not

[16:33] even started school yet. His family has

[16:35] never been to Kandy. They have no idea

[16:37] who TMR, the boy who drowned in the

[16:38] river, is or whether this previous

[16:41] family that he's describing even exists.

[16:43] They're not using the internet like most

[16:45] people in Sri Lanka or even the world at

[16:47] the time. And even if there was an easy

[16:49] way to search or look up these people

[16:50] and places hundreds of miles away, they

[16:52] did not have much desire to go looking

[16:54] for them. And then Isra, who's not even

[16:56] three, gets on a computer and uses

[16:58] Microsoft Paint to draw a map to the

[17:01] house where he says he used to live.

[17:03] >> And then Bansa, she got a little bit

[17:05] scared that what if his past life

[17:08] memories and present memories kind of

[17:10] get mixed up and he will be confused and

[17:12] it could kind of mentally damage him.

[17:15] There could be like a mental breakdown

[17:17] or something could happen.

[17:18] >> Or if Carol Bowman, who you met in the

[17:19] first two episodes, was correct in her

[17:21] hypothesis, it could be extremely

[17:23] healing. Maybe even helping him overcome

[17:25] his phobia around water and bathing. And

[17:28] we will find out after we take a quick

[17:29] break.

[17:36] Welcome back. Where we left off, Isra,

[17:38] who's having detailed memories of a past

[17:40] life and is now two, maybe just barely

[17:42] three years old, draws a map to what he

[17:45] says is his old house using Microsoft

[17:47] Paint. And he also put other landmarks

[17:49] on the map.

[17:50] >> He drew where the temple was. I think

[17:52] that was like the reference point and

[17:54] then he drew where the house was. And

[17:56] the sister also said that there's a body

[17:58] of water.

[17:59] >> So, was the family on board?

[18:00] >> Nobody really wanted to go there, right?

[18:03] They were afraid of what if he doesn't

[18:05] come back, what if they want to keep

[18:06] him. And then he drew the map. The main

[18:08] thing that he said was, "I want to see

[18:10] my mother."

[18:14] After I see my mother, I'll stop talking

[18:16] about it. He pleaded to his sister

[18:18] because others don't want to deal with

[18:20] it much because, you know, they were a

[18:21] bit afraid. And so she explained that to

[18:23] her father and then even though they

[18:25] didn't really want to do this, they

[18:27] agreed at the end.

[18:29] >> And when Iesure was 4 years old, his

[18:31] family took him down to Kandy. They had

[18:33] no idea how to find or contact the

[18:35] family he seemed to remember outside of

[18:36] simply following the map that he'd

[18:38] drawn. Less than 1% of Sri Lanka had

[18:41] access to the internet at this time. So

[18:43] they were really heading down there with

[18:44] nothing more than a map drawn by a

[18:46] toddler and his quote and quote

[18:48] memories.

[18:49] >> So in Kandy they didn't know anybody.

[18:51] They have no relatives, friends, no one.

[18:54] They didn't know anybody in Kandy. But a

[18:56] city close to it there were some of

[18:58] their family. So they took a train to

[19:01] that city called Matale and then they

[19:03] hired a van like a three-wheeler this

[19:06] thing that we have in Sri Lanka like a

[19:08] taxi to take them to Kandy from there.

[19:10] So they stayed overnight in Matale and

[19:12] then early morning they went to Kandy.

[19:14] He told them, "Before I go to see my

[19:17] mom, I want to go to the temple."

[19:21] >> And going to the Temple of the Tooth

[19:23] first made a lot of sense because little

[19:25] Iesure had also drawn the temple on his

[19:27] map and that's actually the landmark

[19:29] from which he drew how to get to what he

[19:31] remembers being his old house. And when

[19:33] they arrived at the temple, he showed

[19:35] them where the main door was.

[19:36] >> And he told them where to put the shoes,

[19:39] where to place them before we enter the

[19:41] temple as if he was a regular a visitor

[19:44] to the temple.

[19:45] >> Inside the temple, he actually convinced

[19:47] a monk of his past life due to his

[19:48] specific insider knowledge.

[19:50] >> He started telling about the history of

[19:52] the statue made out of gems. Like a

[19:55] previous king had made it for his

[19:58] mother. Like the backstory of this

[20:00] statue. There was a a Buddhist monk

[20:02] nearby and he heard this child talking

[20:05] about this and he has asked, "How do you

[20:07] know about this?"

[20:08] >> He has said that I was here before and I

[20:11] know everything about this temple. And

[20:14] then the monk asked the dad, "What what

[20:16] is he talking about?" And the dad said,

[20:17] "He's talking about his previous life.

[20:19] You know, that's why we brought him to

[20:21] Kandy." So this Buddhist monk initially

[20:24] a bit skeptical about it, and he has

[20:26] asked that his father, "Is it okay if I

[20:28] ask him some questions about the

[20:30] temple?"

[20:31] >> Okay, so

[20:32] can you give just a few examples?

[20:34] >> This Buddhist monk, he pointed to a

[20:36] place and asked, "What's there?" So, it

[20:38] was actually a museum.

[20:42] Isara said, "Uh it's something that you

[20:44] go to after you pay some money. You go

[20:47] to see something." He didn't know how to

[20:49] say museum. He said that.

[20:51] >> And just to put this in context, they

[20:53] were standing inside of a room where you

[20:54] can't necessarily see the museum. So,

[20:57] you have to have some sort of

[20:58] situational awareness in this temple to

[21:00] even answer these questions correctly.

[21:02] And so, Isara seemed to know that in the

[21:04] direction that the monk was pointing,

[21:05] there was a museum. And he described it

[21:07] as a place where you pay to see

[21:09] something. So, not a slam dunk of

[21:10] evidence, but the monk wasn't done.

[21:13] >> And he pointed to a different direction

[21:15] and asked, "What's there?"

[21:16] >> Suggesting that beyond the wall or

[21:17] beyond where they could see, there's

[21:19] something important there.

[21:22] >> Then Isara said there's a elephant, this

[21:25] is stuffed elephant, which is true.

[21:27] >> I looked this up myself, and there was a

[21:29] real tusker elephant who served at the

[21:31] Kandy Temple of Tooth. And after the

[21:33] elephant died in 1989, its body was

[21:36] preserved or taxidermied and put on

[21:38] display on the temple grounds.

[21:39] >> So, he answered all these questions, and

[21:41] then the monk was convinced that

[21:43] something is really going on.

[21:44] >> Before they left the temple that

[21:46] afternoon, Isara stopped in front of a

[21:48] row of framed photographs on the wall.

[21:50] He recognized them. And this ties back

[21:53] to the bombing of the temple that Isara

[21:54] started talking about very young,

[21:56] something that confounded the family

[21:57] because it's nothing that was ever

[21:58] brought up in his presence.

[22:00] >> Before they went to Kandy, he he Isara

[22:02] told his sister about one of his

[22:05] friends. He named the friend that took

[22:07] photos of the destruction. After they

[22:10] went there to the the temple, they found

[22:13] those photos inside the temple.

[22:17] And then he showed the photos, and he's

[22:19] told, "These are the three pictures that

[22:21] I've the photos that I've was talking

[22:22] about before."

[22:23] >> Wow.

[22:25] Okay, so now they leave the temple

[22:28] and it's time to go try to find his

[22:30] family. So, what do they do next?

[22:31] >> So, they came out of the temple. Now,

[22:35] they want to go see the house, the

[22:36] previous home. So, they followed his

[22:38] map. He drew exactly where to go.

[22:41] >> And along the way he kept identifying

[22:43] landmarks like a tour guide.

[22:45] >> He talked about this tiny waterfall kind

[22:47] of thing in his map. And they passed

[22:50] that waterfall. They were traveling

[22:52] there. He showed, "This is the waterfall

[22:53] that I was talking about."

[22:55] He went to another road and then he

[22:58] pointed, "This is where my house is."

[23:00] But apparently there was nothing there.

[23:02] It was like torn apart, like they are

[23:04] going to build something else. Their

[23:06] house was not there. [music] And he

[23:07] started crying, profusely crying.

[23:13] >> It had taken [music] months for Isuba to

[23:15] convince his family to bring him to

[23:16] Kandy. And he'd been begging to go there

[23:18] for one reason. He wanted to see his

[23:20] mother, his old mother.

[23:22] And somehow this little boy from nearly

[23:25] 200 miles away had drawn an accurate map

[23:28] [music] from the Temple of Tooth to this

[23:29] exact spot where he believed he would

[23:32] find the mother that he'd been longing

[23:33] to see so badly. And when he got to the

[23:36] spot, nothing was there. The house was

[23:39] gone. So, of course he was in tears.

[23:42] >> When they asked him, "Why are you

[23:43] crying?" My that home was demolished.

[23:47] And then he showed

[23:49] like another direction. He showed that

[23:51] there you can see like a Buddhist statue

[23:53] like far away.

[23:56] And he said, "I want to go there." I

[23:57] think there his friends were living

[23:59] there. So, he wanted to go there next.

[24:02] The person who

[24:04] came to accompany them, he said, "It's a

[24:06] bit far. You know, we might not be able

[24:08] to walk there."

[24:08] >> Remember, the family had hired a driver

[24:10] to get them around.

[24:11] >> But then Isuba just laughed and said,

[24:14] "You know, we don't need to take a taxi.

[24:16] I know shortcuts. I know a way to go

[24:19] there much faster." So, this guy had the

[24:21] knowledge how to go

[24:23] in a how to walk from there instead of

[24:25] taking a taxi.

[24:26] >> So, Isuba takes his family on this

[24:28] extraordinary odyssey through candy,

[24:30] pointing out landmarks, roads, and

[24:32] shortcuts along the way. He correctly

[24:34] brings his family on foot to the

[24:36] Bahirawa of Akhanda Buddha statue, which

[24:39] he had identified from a distance. And

[24:41] he took them to the statue because

[24:42] supposedly it was next to a home of a

[24:44] good friend that he had in his past

[24:46] life.

[24:46] >> He wanted to go to one of his friend's

[24:48] places. So, when they went there,

[24:50] there's a restaurant there. That house

[24:52] was also non-existing at the time.

[24:54] >> Isra tried to explain to his family that

[24:55] he was not confused. This was his

[24:57] friend's house, and to prove it, he

[24:59] started talking about what was behind

[25:01] the restaurant.

[25:01] >> There's like a like a wooded area. That

[25:04] So, you cannot see anything behind that.

[25:07] But he he told them that there's a sort

[25:10] of a

[25:11] steps made out of rocks behind that, but

[25:14] they could not see it.

[25:15] >> The manager heard this 4-year-old boy

[25:17] upset and passionate outside his

[25:18] restaurant. He talked to the family and

[25:20] was told that he was remembering his

[25:22] past life and led them there. And the

[25:24] manager decided to test little Isra,

[25:26] just like the monk did.

[25:28] >> And then the manager of the hotel or the

[25:30] restaurant came out and then they he

[25:31] heard this Isra is telling them about

[25:34] this. And then he has he has told that

[25:36] there's no steps

[25:38] behind that wooded area, like

[25:41] But he's like, "No, no, I'll show you."

[25:43] And then he took them there and he

[25:44] pulled those trees away apart some of

[25:46] these bushes and then he showed that.

[25:48] And then the manager says, "Yeah, I I

[25:50] knew that. I just wanted to check if you

[25:52] if, you know, what you're saying is

[25:54] true. That's why I was asking you."

[25:56] >> And in your research, Tequila, did you

[25:57] find out if TMR really did have a friend

[25:59] who lived there?

[25:59] >> After that Tilanga died in that in his

[26:02] previous life.

[26:03] >> When he says Tilanga, he's referring to

[26:05] TMR's first name.

[26:06] >> That friend and the family kind of moved

[26:09] or out from that area because

[26:11] it was like shocked and they were sad

[26:13] about it and they couldn't live there.

[26:15] So,

[26:16] that's why they left there.

[26:17] >> Wow. Okay, so at this point they still

[26:19] hadn't contacted the family. Yeah.

[26:20] >> So, when they were there in close to the

[26:23] restaurant, I think, you know, the word

[26:25] kind of got out that there's a small kid

[26:27] in talking about his previous life and

[26:29] people around them all heard about the

[26:32] what he's talking about and these taxi

[26:34] drivers kind of they said, oh yeah,

[26:36] maybe he's talking about this particular

[26:38] family.

[26:38] >> And a taxi driver points them toward a

[26:40] local town official. This official

[26:42] listens to Isa's story and realizes he

[26:45] knows exactly which family they're

[26:46] talking about. In fact, he'd gone to

[26:49] school with TMR's sister. So this

[26:51] official calls her, tells her about the

[26:53] little boy who's come looking for the

[26:54] family and a meeting was arranged at a

[26:56] restaurant.

[26:57] >> So Isa and his family will go to this uh

[26:59] restaurant and they will wait there. Isa

[27:01] is like playing and they were waiting

[27:03] for a while. Foreigners come and go like

[27:06] there's a lot of people come to this

[27:07] restaurant. It's pretty It's a hotel

[27:09] restaurant I think it's like a hotel.

[27:11] Suddenly he stopped playing and he

[27:12] looked at the door and he started

[27:14] screaming saying, "Mom."

[27:18] Then he rested his head on the one of

[27:20] the tables that he that when that uh

[27:23] whoever the woman came in like the the

[27:25] previous mom.

[27:26] >> So again, I want to put this in context.

[27:28] Isa is a little boy. His current family

[27:30] has no idea what this other supposed

[27:32] family is going to look like when they

[27:34] walk through the door and Isa sees a

[27:36] woman walk through the door, starts

[27:38] screaming, "Mom." And then starts

[27:39] crying.

[27:40] >> Isa, do you remember that?

[27:42] >> Not only that particular memory, I still

[27:44] remember every single fact that has

[27:46] happened as yesterday.

[27:48] >> He remembers as it were yesterday.

[27:50] >> That lady who came inside the hotel, she

[27:53] didn't come to them because she didn't

[27:54] know them. So she went to the hotel

[27:56] manager and explained like I'm here to

[27:59] meet this family whose son is talking

[28:01] about his previous [music] life.

[28:03] And the manager then took her and told

[28:05] her, "Okay, that's the family." So at

[28:07] that time, Isa's family didn't know why

[28:10] he was crying. So the two sisters were

[28:12] going to take him outside to give him a

[28:14] toy to like make him stop crying.

[28:16] >> Isa, do you remember what was going

[28:17] through your head at the time?

[28:18] >> I still remember the particular exact

[28:20] moment. [music] I still remember how I

[28:22] felt, but it's quite hard for me to

[28:25] convert it into a word. So

[28:28] >> Were you happy or were you like uh

[28:30] heartbroken?

[28:30] >> sort of a mixed feeling I would say. Oh,

[28:33] happy, sad, emotional.

[28:36] >> Isra's sister Bonza jumps in to talk

[28:38] more about what Isra told her about his

[28:40] emotions that day.

[28:44] >> The day that he died, he didn't tell his

[28:46] mom he was cutting school and going to

[28:49] swim. So, he had this guilt.

[28:52] So, that kind of transferred to Isra as

[28:53] well. I did a bad thing.

[28:59] He's going against my mom.

[29:02] That's where that mixed feeling comes

[29:04] from at the moment that they met for the

[29:06] first time.

[29:10] >> So, the family of TMR is pointed toward

[29:12] the right table and they come and sit

[29:14] down.

[29:15] And I can't imagine being in a situation

[29:17] like this. I mean, how on earth would

[29:18] you break the ice? And Bonza, Isra's big

[29:20] sister, who was responsible for getting

[29:22] them all down there, started to go

[29:23] through her notebook and tells TMR's

[29:26] mother all the things that little Isra

[29:27] had said about his past life to see if

[29:29] any of it checked out.

[29:30] >> Isra's sister Bonza started telling that

[29:33] mother all the things that he's been

[29:35] telling her. And there was a particular

[29:37] one that he has said that I attended a

[29:39] wedding. This is before he died. And

[29:41] that the mom bought him a red color

[29:43] shirt. And the mom has said, "Oh, I I

[29:45] still have that shirt in my house." She

[29:48] was like, "How does he know that he went

[29:50] to a wedding and that I bought him the

[29:52] shirt?" He talked about two dogs that

[29:54] that he had before he went to Kandy and

[29:56] he named them. They verified that he had

[29:59] dogs named Jimmy and Chico.

[30:01] >> Did they bring up the map on the first

[30:02] day and what did she say about that

[30:03] location?

[30:04] >> She mentioned that yeah, we used to live

[30:06] there and then the government of the

[30:08] town took over the that land and gave

[30:10] them some money to kind of move out. So,

[30:12] she confirmed that.

[30:13] >> I cannot believe the map was correct.

[30:15] There's no way to explain that.

[30:16] >> Exactly. I don't know how to explain

[30:18] that.

[30:19] >> So, Aquila, can we just back up, you

[30:20] know, and give TMR just his moment, you

[30:23] know, like what did you discover about

[30:24] him? What was he interested in? What was

[30:26] he like? And how did he pass?

[30:28] >> TMR was 14 years old. He was uh saying

[30:31] that the teenager he had a lot of

[30:32] friends. He was quite popular because he

[30:34] was a cricketer and he he was a good

[30:37] cricketer. He was chosen for the uh Sri

[30:39] Lankan I think under 19 national team.

[30:42] He went to India representing Sri Lanka.

[30:44] >> So what Isra told his sister starting at

[30:46] around 2 and 1/2 that he was a good

[30:48] cricket player who had gone to India to

[30:50] compete checked out. It was true.

[30:52] >> So he was pretty famous in his high

[30:55] school and a lot of people knew him in

[30:57] high school and in the city.

[30:59] >> Okay, and then what else like what what

[31:01] else convinced her do you think?

[31:03] >> So in the previous life the last thing

[31:05] that he asked his mom was a guitar. When

[31:07] Isra was pretty young the first toy that

[31:09] he wanted was a guitar.

[31:12] Isra was asking the previous mother for

[31:15] his cricket bat and the ball.

[31:18] >> What did she say?

[31:19] >> Put it away love it.

[31:20] >> She has given it to someone else. Yeah.

[31:22] >> The mother also confirmed that he was an

[31:24] established Kandyan dancer and that

[31:27] there was a man in his life that taught

[31:29] him some Japanese and how to use

[31:30] chopsticks and the names that he

[31:32] remembered of friends and family members

[31:34] were correct. There was just a few

[31:36] things that Dr. Werasekara was not able

[31:37] to verify. For instance, Isra said his

[31:39] family owned a red car but they owned a

[31:41] green car and he also talked about

[31:43] someone named Pothu Ayya who fell in the

[31:44] bathroom and then later suffered a fever

[31:46] and died. So those remain a riddle but

[31:48] almost everything else checked out.

[31:50] >> I think she was more convinced at the

[31:52] time about the whole situation and then

[31:54] they kind of

[31:55] trusted what was happening was real.

[31:58] >> So if this were me even with all of

[32:00] these unexplained synchronicities and

[32:02] the stack of evidence, I'd be really

[32:04] worried that grief was making me believe

[32:06] something I desperately wanted to be

[32:08] true. But there was something else,

[32:10] something absolutely jaw-dropping that

[32:13] may explain why TMR's mother accepted

[32:15] the invitation to meet Isra so quickly.

[32:18] She had been praying for this exact

[32:19] moment for years.

[32:23] >> After he passed, this mother was doing

[32:26] good deeds like giving to the poor and

[32:28] all these things. And what she was

[32:30] praying for is not Nirvana but she was

[32:32] praying that her son the lost son will

[32:35] be born somewhere else and come to her.

[32:38] The mom, she became a vegetarian because

[32:41] she's doing good deeds, going to the

[32:43] temple, and she's praying for that son

[32:46] to be born somewhere and come to her.

[32:48] >> So, I want to summarize this here

[32:49] because it seems really important. After

[32:52] TMR died, his mother began praying daily

[32:55] for him to return. She did good deeds,

[32:57] she gave up meat hoping somehow that all

[33:00] of this would bring him back. And then,

[33:02] exactly 1 year to the day later, Isra

[33:05] was born. And from infancy, Isra could

[33:08] not tolerate meat.

[33:09] >> They try to feed him meat, the fish, he

[33:12] would puke. Almost like an allergic

[33:13] reaction. The smell from a restaurant

[33:16] also, like he could not stand.

[33:17] >> TMR's mother believes her daily prayers

[33:20] and her good deeds, like giving up meat,

[33:22] somehow influenced Isra, the child who

[33:25] came next.

[33:26] >> Her belief is that because she became a

[33:28] vegetarian, that kind of influenced Isra

[33:30] to be, you know, a vegetarian.

[33:33] >> Now, no one can prove that these are

[33:34] connected. Like, we are absolutely in no

[33:36] man's land here. But, there's something

[33:38] mind-blowing about the possibility that

[33:41] TMR's mother's prayers for his return

[33:43] and the sacrifices she made while

[33:45] waiting for him somehow became tangled

[33:47] up in the consciousness of the child who

[33:49] came back.

[33:50] >> Science cannot really explain this at

[33:52] the moment, but maybe one day we might

[33:54] be able to explain this.

[33:55] >> So, now, Aquila, can you please take us

[33:57] back to the morning that TMR died? And,

[34:00] you know, what happened and how does

[34:02] that compare to what Isra remembers?

[34:05] >> That day, he left home in the morning,

[34:08] but then he met these friends.

[34:10] Uh and then, they told him, uh let's not

[34:12] go to school in the morning, let's go to

[34:14] the river, have a swim.

[34:18] Let's cut school and go there. So,

[34:20] that's what they did that morning. And

[34:21] then, his body was found around 5:00

[34:25] p.m. that day by the police. He was a

[34:27] very good swimmer, so people couldn't

[34:29] understand like he could not have

[34:30] drowned. You know, that this guy could

[34:32] swim.

[34:33] >> And I want to note here that a few boys

[34:35] went swimming and TMR was not the only

[34:37] boy to have drowned.

[34:38] >> Two people died that day, he was one of

[34:39] them.

[34:40] >> So, just to interrupt you I know that he

[34:42] said the name of the boy he died with

[34:44] when he was little. Was that correct?

[34:45] >> Yeah, exactly name.

[34:47] >> And some boys who were there lived.

[34:49] >> They were also teenagers, I think 14, 15

[34:51] years old kids. But what these boys are

[34:53] saying, they all went swimming and Isra

[34:56] and the other boy couldn't swim. They

[34:57] said that they got into some current

[34:59] water current, they got trapped and they

[35:02] died. And we somehow swam into the other

[35:04] side and we survived. So, that was their

[35:06] version.

[35:07] >> Um did the police

[35:10] expect foul play? Did they have any

[35:11] conclusions for how he died?

[35:13] >> No foul play was suspected, but when

[35:16] they found the body, they found that a

[35:18] wallet and all these bus passes and

[35:20] everything was with him. So, if somebody

[35:22] is going swimming, you're not going out

[35:24] with all these things. They're going to

[35:25] put them aside, clothes aside, and then

[35:27] you go swimming. So, that kind of proves

[35:30] that they weren't really swimming.

[35:32] >> And then there's what Isra says he

[35:33] remembers from when he was still TMR.

[35:35] >> I suddenly fall and hit my chest on the

[35:38] rock.

[35:40] >> Previous mom told me that when I asked

[35:41] her like how he died and then they said

[35:43] he didn't really drown when he went into

[35:45] the water, he plunged onto a rock and

[35:48] that kind of damaged his chest area.

[35:51] >> I just want to pause you really quick,

[35:52] Aquila, because earlier we talked about

[35:54] Isra being born with a dent in his

[35:56] chest. And now it's confirmed that this

[35:59] last person died when a rock hit his

[36:02] chest. So, I'm just wondering how you

[36:04] think this is possible.

[36:05] >> I I don't think that we can come to a

[36:07] conclusion at this time. There has to be

[36:09] some kind of a biological a blueprint.

[36:12] In this blueprint, make this area like

[36:15] this. There's a dent. Why does it

[36:16] happen? Can we switch off certain genes

[36:18] to make that happen?

[36:19] >> And Dr. Weir Secre made it very clear he

[36:21] doesn't know. He has all sorts of things

[36:23] he wants to test and wants to look into

[36:25] further. He also talked about genetic

[36:27] testing just like Dops did. Like

[36:28] actually exhuming TMR's body and

[36:30] comparing genetic code between TMR and

[36:32] Isra to see if there's a link. There's

[36:34] so much to look into and until that

[36:36] science is done, everyone is just

[36:37] hypothesizing and guessing.

[36:39] >> We break this down. This is karma, this

[36:41] is consciousness, this is mind.

[36:43] You know, I think maybe the one thing.

[36:47] >> So, Isra, going back to that day, you

[36:48] didn't take your wallet out. Like, do

[36:49] you think you were pushed? Is that what

[36:51] you think happened to you?

[36:52] >> I have to be neutral in this answer like

[36:55] whether I've been pushed or not. I'm not

[36:57] disclosing much what I felt like and

[37:00] what I actually remember. I hope you get

[37:04] my point because bygones are bygones. I

[37:06] mean,

[37:07] I don't want any other personality to

[37:09] make a discomfort to remember the same.

[37:11] >> Yeah.

[37:12] >> You have to confidential.

[37:13] >> Isra is making a choice not to say

[37:15] publicly because to do so could bring

[37:18] shame onto someone. It could possibly

[37:20] implicate someone. Definitely not

[37:22] something he wants to do. But, I can say

[37:24] that Isra would eventually come face to

[37:25] face with the people associated with

[37:27] this tragedy. So, we'll pause there and

[37:30] take a quick break.

[37:39] Welcome back to the Reincarnation

[37:40] Records. So, after Isra's first trip to

[37:42] visit the family that he remembers from

[37:44] a past life, he did go back home.

[37:46] >> He got some issues resolved.

[37:48] >> Remember that from the time he was born,

[37:50] he had a terrible fear of water.

[37:52] >> After they met with the previous

[37:53] parents, the day he came home, he was

[37:56] able to go to the shower.

[37:58] >> In our first two episodes, you met Carol

[38:00] Bowman who believes that when children

[38:02] talk about past life memories, they can

[38:04] recover from phobias and even heal

[38:06] physical ailments.

[38:07] >> he got some closure.

[38:09] >> But, he didn't completely forget about

[38:10] his last family, the one grieving TMR.

[38:12] In fact, he started visiting them every

[38:14] chance he could get. And with each

[38:16] visit, more details emerged that were

[38:17] difficult to explain away.

[38:18] >> So, after the first visit, I think maybe

[38:20] the next school or vacation, Isra goes

[38:23] back to Kandy and he meets up with one

[38:25] of his best friends who like shook

[38:27] hands.

[38:28] >> And this is remarkable. This old friend

[38:29] of TMR's goes to shake Isra's hand, but

[38:32] instead of Isra simply giving him the

[38:34] polite standard handshake, Isra, who's

[38:37] about 6 years old, launches into the

[38:39] secret handshake that TMR used to do

[38:42] with this friend. Something that there's

[38:44] no way Isra could have known.

[38:46] >> It's like a a unique handshake. You put

[38:49] two thumbs together like and you you

[38:51] turn the hand other way around and then

[38:54] it comes around and we hold the hand and

[38:57] like sort of a thing.

[38:58] >> So when you saw this old friend for the

[38:59] first time, you knew you didn't have to

[39:01] be re-

[39:03] taught the handshake, you already knew

[39:05] it?

[39:05] >> Yeah, very naturally I did with him.

[39:08] >> And the handshake was just the

[39:09] beginning. Over the visits that

[39:11] followed, Isra kept running into people

[39:13] from TMR's life.

[39:14] >> He went to his previous school when he

[39:16] was about 7 years old and he remembered

[39:18] the teachers, the cricket coach, things

[39:21] like that.

[39:22] >> And one thing I often hear about in

[39:23] these incredibly convincing cases is a

[39:26] strong emotion. And an example of this

[39:28] happened to Isra and it was actually

[39:29] Isra's old friend with whom he shared

[39:31] the handshake who thought it'd be kind

[39:32] of cool and interesting to show Isra old

[39:34] photos of their friends and classmates

[39:37] to see how Isra would react and what he

[39:38] might remember.

[39:39] >> He started showing some photo albums and

[39:42] in one of the albums he sort of like

[39:44] looked at the photos and kind of like

[39:46] dropped them or like the punched it.

[39:48] Like he didn't want to see it. He was

[39:49] like 6 or 7 years old.

[39:51] >> [music]

[39:52] >> And just to note, Dr. Ware Sacra

[39:53] interviewed a ton of these people for

[39:55] his paper.

[39:55] >> And the guy was saying that those are

[39:57] the photos of these guys who took him

[39:59] swimming that day. He had some type of

[40:02] reaction to seeing these guys. His

[40:04] sister said he just didn't want to look

[40:06] at the pictures of these kids.

[40:07] >> And as we touched on above, Isra seems

[40:09] to remember how he passed and who was

[40:11] there and his strong emotions were tied

[40:14] to these memories.

[40:14] >> When Isra was 9 years old, one of those

[40:17] friends who went swimming with him the

[40:20] day he died came to Isra's house with

[40:23] his wife.

[40:24] >> They came to visit because they could

[40:25] not get pregnant.

[40:26] >> [music]

[40:26] >> They felt that the situation that was

[40:28] shared that day and the two lives lost

[40:30] may have had an effect on their ability

[40:32] to bring life into the world. And they

[40:35] met with Isra in hopes that confronting

[40:37] their shared trauma, clearing the air

[40:39] about what happened, might help all of

[40:41] them move on.

[40:42] >> After he met him, then now they have

[40:44] three children. So uh we don't know like

[40:46] if there's any connection. The husband

[40:48] always says that the reason that I

[40:49] cannot get pregnant [music] is because I

[40:51] was somehow involved in a situation

[40:53] that, you know, a mom lost his child.

[40:57] >> There was one more thing about this case

[40:58] that is inexplicable. Something that

[41:00] I've been turning over in my brain for

[41:02] months. And here's this part of our

[41:04] interview. So, Isra, is there anything

[41:06] else that you

[41:07] remember? And I'm not just talking about

[41:09] from TMR's life, but maybe like right

[41:11] after he died.

[41:12] >> I don't know whether all this can be

[41:14] scientific or this is

[41:16] >> It doesn't matter.

[41:17] >> See, this is a logically debatable

[41:19] aspect.

[41:20] >> Isra was reticent to share because it

[41:22] couldn't be explained logically or

[41:24] scientifically.

[41:25] >> Logic breaks down right now. So, I think

[41:27] we're beyond that. So, you can just say

[41:28] what you think, you know.

[41:30] >> my point of view, logic and science are

[41:31] already difficult to apply to this case.

[41:34] But I'd be remiss if I left out parts of

[41:36] the story just because they sounded

[41:37] strange. In fact, there's a long history

[41:40] in research around the unexplained where

[41:42] people censor out the weirdest details

[41:44] because they're afraid that those

[41:46] details will make the whole story easier

[41:48] to dismiss. And I don't want to add to

[41:50] that history. And Dr. Wair Sager shares

[41:52] that same instinct.

[41:53] >> I wanted to put out everything I got to

[41:55] know from these people studying this

[41:58] case. Here you go, you can make up your

[42:00] mind. The day that he passed, that was

[42:03] the apparition.

[42:04] >> In case that was difficult to hear, he

[42:06] mentioned an apparition of TMR that

[42:08] happened the day he drowned.

[42:09] >> The day he drowned,

[42:11] one of his friends were going home after

[42:13] school. Let's say it's 2:00, the schools

[42:15] are done.

[42:16] So, he was going and his home was near

[42:18] this river.

[42:20] And he swears that he met Kilanga or TMR

[42:23] wearing the uniform going the opposite

[42:26] way. And he said hi to him.

[42:28] >> So, a classmate of TMR's said he saw TMR

[42:31] on the road while he was walking home

[42:32] from school, and that was around 2:00

[42:34] p.m.

[42:34] >> this friend, he went home. And 5:00 news

[42:37] says that TMR died, drowned like 9:00 or

[42:41] 10:00 in the morning. And [music] he's

[42:43] like, "No, that could not happen because

[42:45] I met him. I saw him."

[42:47] >> And as common in Sri Lanka at that time,

[42:49] TMR's body was brought around in a

[42:51] funeral procession [music] to the homes

[42:53] and friends of loved ones.

[42:54] >> At the funeral, his body was taken to

[42:56] his house.

[42:57] And his friend, he collapsed. It's just

[43:01] like this is unbelievable. How can you

[43:04] be dead? Because I met you.

[43:06] He did not believe that he was dead

[43:08] until he saw his body actually.

[43:11] >> Well, and Isra, do you remember after

[43:13] you passed, do you remember like seeing

[43:14] him on the road or anything like that

[43:16] from when you were more in like a spirit

[43:18] form?

[43:18] >> Yes. Did I notice that

[43:20] was not normal that I would say.

[43:24] >> Isra refers to TMR by his full name,

[43:26] Tilanga, and he starts by pointing to

[43:28] the trauma.

[43:29] >> Tilanga didn't knew that he was going to

[43:32] die or he his died.

[43:35] >> Yeah.

[43:36] >> I believe his

[43:38] uh his chest has hit on a rock, he might

[43:41] be unconscious.

[43:43] And he was walking in between

[43:46] >> Isra didn't know that he was dead.

[43:48] >> So, Isra, you're kind of saying that you

[43:50] or Tilanga, I guess, or both of you were

[43:52] in the in between. Like your

[43:54] consciousness just

[43:55] like got up and went about your day.

[43:57] >> What I do believe, since Tilanga doesn't

[43:59] knew, he

[44:01] he had been passed away. He tries to act

[44:04] as usual as he is.

[44:08] So, he had to go back to home.

[44:10] >> He was being motivated by the same fears

[44:13] that would have motivated him in life.

[44:15] And for many teenagers, that's your

[44:16] parents.

[44:17] >> Tilanga's father was a strict father who

[44:19] is putting rules and restrictions. So,

[44:22] he knew he had to be back at home after

[44:25] school.

[44:26] So, he kept that in his mind and walked

[44:29] to home as usual, not knowingly. He

[44:32] might think, "Oh my god, I had to go

[44:34] back home. Now it's the the time of

[44:37] school and yeah."

[44:37] >> So, just remember that TMR's body is

[44:40] either in or near the river, and Isra is

[44:42] talking about his spirit or

[44:44] consciousness going about its day.

[44:46] >> Basically unaware, right?

[44:49] >> Yeah.

[44:50] >> Isra remembers being an apparition, like

[44:52] a ghost. So, let that sink in. And his

[44:54] friend who swore he saw Isra wasn't

[44:56] crazy. Before ever even hearing this

[44:59] story himself, Isra had already told his

[45:01] sister Bonza that he remembered being on

[45:03] the road heading home that day and

[45:05] seeing his friend. Here's Dr. Jim

[45:07] Matlock, an anthropologist who's come by

[45:09] scores of cases like Isra's.

[45:10] >> About 20% of these cases with the

[45:12] children with the past life memories,

[45:14] they will have memories of the

[45:15] intermission. And often times these

[45:18] memories include what was done during

[45:21] the intermission. Sometimes they don't

[45:22] talk about the coming to the new

[45:23] parents, but often times they would talk

[45:25] about being in certain places. In in

[45:29] Asia, it's often in a realistic

[45:31] terrestrial setting. In the West, it's

[45:34] heaven. They talk about heaven and

[45:35] meeting Jesus, meeting God.

[45:37] >> Dr. Satwant Singh Sodhi at University of

[45:39] Virginia's Department of Perceptual

[45:40] Studies looked at the intermission time

[45:43] across roughly 1,600 solved cases in

[45:46] their database. And in this field,

[45:48] solved means a child gave enough

[45:50] specific information that researchers

[45:52] were able to identify a deceased person

[45:55] whose life matched what the child had

[45:56] been saying. And when the team looked

[45:58] across the strongest cases, they found

[46:00] something surprising. The gap between

[46:02] death and rebirth doesn't appear to be

[46:05] random.

[46:06] It changes depending on how expected or

[46:08] unexpected the death had been.

[46:10] >> There are five levels of unexpectedness.

[46:12] From like no expectation at all to

[46:16] they expected it a few days before, a

[46:18] month before. So, we have five levels of

[46:20] unexpectedness.

[46:21] >> So, like no expectation would be you're

[46:23] 6 years old, you're completely healthy,

[46:25] something awful happens and you die.

[46:27] >> Exactly. Like a gunshot, something like

[46:30] that. So, the most expected, which means

[46:34] the person was ill and they expected it

[46:36] to happen, the median intermission time

[46:38] is 21 months. For the most unexpected,

[46:42] like immediate death, the intermission

[46:44] time is 12 months.

[46:46] >> The most unexpected deaths correlate

[46:48] with an intermission period of 12

[46:50] months, which is the exact amount of

[46:52] time between T.M.R.'s death and Isra's

[46:54] birth. And Isra himself uses the word

[46:57] unexpected when describing TMR's death.

[46:59] He said TMR didn't even realize he was

[47:02] dead because it happened so suddenly.

[47:04] >> There's sometime missing. He might be

[47:06] somewhere else before he was born.

[47:08] >> And in the case of Isra, his memories

[47:10] from the intermission period aren't just

[47:12] the apparition thing that happened. His

[47:14] memories extend further into the period.

[47:16] >> Isra told me that he saw his mom like

[47:20] today like this life's mom and then he

[47:22] followed her. He said, "I chose this

[47:24] mom."

[47:24] >> And Jim B. Tucker has looked at enough

[47:26] cases to see that where a soul lands

[47:28] doesn't look random at all.

[47:30] >> What it implies is

[47:32] that there's not chance, right? What it

[47:35] implies is that the deceased are helping

[47:40] to determine where they are reborn.

[47:43] Did I let that sink in?

[47:44] >> TMR's mother is at the temple of Tooth

[47:47] grieving, begging for her son to come

[47:49] back. And down on the coast at the same

[47:51] time, Isra's mother is at her temple

[47:54] praying for a boy.

[47:59] >> Isra saw his mom having two girls,

[48:01] wanted a boy and she's praying she wants

[48:04] a boy and the previous mom's praying

[48:06] this boy be born somewhere else and come

[48:09] back to me.

[48:10] So, it's like really like amazing. Like

[48:13] I get goosebumps when I talk about this

[48:14] with people. Like that I mean maybe it's

[48:17] not a major coincidence but context I

[48:19] don't feel it's a coincidence.

[48:20] >> And whatever you make of those two

[48:22] prayers, what happened next is part of

[48:24] what makes this case so moving because

[48:26] the thing that Isra's family was most

[48:27] afraid of that they'd take him to Candy

[48:29] and somehow lose him to this other

[48:30] family never happened. And his big

[48:33] sister Bonza is a huge reason that

[48:35] things worked out the way they did. She

[48:37] was the first person who really listened

[48:39] to what he was saying and thought to

[48:40] write it down before anyone knew whether

[48:42] there was another family out there to

[48:44] find. She advocated for him to be taken

[48:46] to Candy and because of her persistence,

[48:49] Isra was able to find the family he'd

[48:51] been asking about since he could talk.

[48:53] And both of the women that he considers

[48:55] to be mom have become integral figures

[48:57] in this new extended family.

[48:59] >> My previous life mother and this

[49:01] mother's connection is very strong. They

[49:03] are like the same family.

[49:04] >> He grew up going back to Candy on school

[49:06] holidays. They folded into one family.

[49:09] And when I asked him how he maintains

[49:10] that, two mothers, two lives, one of

[49:12] him, he made it sound really easy.

[49:15] >> Cuz that's

[49:16] like the same soul, same personality,

[49:19] just that they have shifted the body.

[49:21] >> He says he has the same soul, same

[49:23] personality, same love and loyalty to

[49:25] both mothers. He just has a different

[49:27] body.

[49:28] >> I'm widely connected to the entire

[49:30] network that my previous life's person

[49:32] had.

[49:33] >> He said he's widely connected to the

[49:34] entire network of friends and family who

[49:36] were in his past life. And that brings

[49:38] me back to Carol Bowman and the question

[49:40] she posed at the very beginning of this

[49:42] season. If past life memories are real,

[49:45] can confronting them be healing? Because

[49:46] for Isra, it wasn't just about losing

[49:48] his fear of water. He went back and

[49:50] found the family he'd been longing for.

[49:52] He confronted people connected to that

[49:54] day and somehow made peace with a life

[49:56] that seemed to have ended in fear,

[49:58] guilt, and possibly even anger. And

[50:00] unlike some of the stories we heard last

[50:01] episode, where children seemed driven by

[50:03] anger and revenge, Isra folded both of

[50:06] his lives into one. And then there was

[50:08] the boy who went swimming with T.M.R.

[50:09] the day that he died, who was not able

[50:11] to have children when he got married

[50:13] until he went to visit 9-year-old Isra

[50:15] and talked through what happened. And

[50:16] pretty soon after that visit, went on to

[50:18] have children. And that could obviously

[50:20] be totally tied to luck or coincidence

[50:22] or it's psychosomatic or it might have

[50:23] nothing at all to do with Isra. But just

[50:26] for a thought exercise, let's say it

[50:27] does. And that makes me wonder if Carol

[50:29] Bowman's idea about healing might be

[50:31] even bigger than she postulated. What if

[50:33] confronting these memories doesn't just

[50:35] heal the child who has them, but what if

[50:37] forgiveness and reconciliation or

[50:39] closure creates ripples outward through

[50:41] families, relationships, maybe even

[50:42] across lives?

[50:43] >> [music]

[50:43] >> And I have no idea how you would ever

[50:45] prove something like that. But in Isra's

[50:47] story, healing doesn't seem to belong to

[50:49] just one person. It seems to have

[50:50] spread. And as far as Dr. Weerasinghe's

[50:53] success in the essay contest that

[50:54] started this whole thing, he didn't win,

[50:56] but he was awarded an honorable mention.

[50:58] And along the way, this careful Harvard

[51:00] neuroscientist certainly [music] inched

[51:01] over to belief in this case.

[51:03] >> I I'm convinced, to tell you the truth,

[51:05] I'm convinced with this, uh,

[51:06] >> There is so much about Estra's case that

[51:08] I'm still turning over in my head. From

[51:10] [music] his memories and the map that he

[51:12] drew and the birth defect, the fear of

[51:14] water that disappeared after he went to

[51:16] Kandy, the strange intermission period

[51:18] memories,

[51:19] and the fact that two mothers on

[51:21] different sides of Sri Lanka

[51:23] each were praying for a boy.

[51:25] But there's another part of the story

[51:26] that opens an entirely different door.

[51:28] Because Estra didn't just seem to

[51:29] remember TMR's life, he seems to still

[51:32] have TMR's abilities and talents, be it

[51:35] cricket or Kandyan dancing or acting. In

[51:37] some ways, he seemed to pick up where

[51:39] TMR left off, even carrying forward some

[51:42] of the same goals and dreams for his

[51:44] life.

[51:45] >> In the previous life, uh, Thelanga was

[51:48] an actor.

[51:49] >> Thelanga won different national awards

[51:51] in children's [music] drama. In this

[51:52] life, I was fortunate to win jury awards

[51:56] from one of the prestigious awarding

[51:58] ceremony for the television drama.

[52:01] >> They both won prestigious awards and

[52:02] national recognition [music] for youth

[52:04] drama.

[52:05] >> The similarity of what I had in my last

[52:08] life, the capacity of acting, really has

[52:10] been converted to make myself even

[52:12] sharper in this life.

[52:14] >> So, you're saying that you don't feel

[52:15] like you had to start from scratch with

[52:17] your acting skills, like you already had

[52:19] a a whole lifetime before to hone your

[52:20] talent.

[52:21] >> Yeah. Yeah.

[52:22] >> So, that raises a question I hadn't

[52:24] really considered before this season.

[52:25] Most of us have heard stories of

[52:27] prodigies and savants who just arrive in

[52:29] the world knowing how to do something

[52:31] that they were never taught or exposed

[52:32] to. And actually, in our second season,

[52:34] the Consciousness Cassettes, we explored

[52:37] the possibility that some [music]

[52:38] extraordinary abilities may come from

[52:40] somewhere beyond the brain, like they

[52:41] may be downloaded from an informational

[52:43] field. But what if, in some of these

[52:45] cases, talents [music] and knowledge are

[52:47] coming from somewhere much more

[52:49] specific? What if they're being carried

[52:51] over from a past life?

[52:53] >> We never had to teach him how to swing

[52:54] the bat, how to catch the ball. He just

[52:57] did it.

[52:57] >> It is interesting when prodigies start

[52:59] at an early age saying I was once

[53:01] someone else.

[53:02] >> And next week we're exploring two

[53:04] remarkable cases that force us to ask

[53:06] [music] that exact question. What

[53:08] happens when talents cross over? He

[53:10] started saying things like, "I used to

[53:12] be tall. I was a tall baseball player."

[53:16] >> [music]

[53:16] >> Is it possible that some prodigies might

[53:18] be remembering something from a previous

[53:20] life? When I showed him the picture of

[53:22] the 1927 Yankees, he said, "That's me."

[53:25] That's what we're exploring next. Tune

[53:27] in next week as we explore prodigies and

[53:29] past lives.

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It is a case presented in episode 5 of The Telepathy Tapes' Reincarnation Records season, in which a boy named Esra began describing a drowning at about 18 months. At about four, he drew a map in Microsoft Paint to a temple and home he said he remembered, which investigators checked. The case centers on a 14-year-old named Thilanga Madhushan Ranasinghe (TMR), who drowned in Kandy on January 31, 2001, exactly one year before Esra's birth.
Dr. Akila Weerasinghe describes the case as one of the most layered he has encountered because it involves two boys separated by exactly one year, on the same calendar date. The timing gives investigators a specific claim to test, since a previous-life identification depends on a death occurring before the new life begins. The episode notes that families were more than 200 miles apart, which makes the connection harder to explain through ordinary channels.
Dr. Ian Stevenson was a University of Virginia psychiatrist who studied thousands of children who reported memories of previous lives. The episode describes his argument that Sri Lanka's Buddhist culture, where rebirth belief is part of everyday life, made families more likely to report such statements and let investigators record them before they could be influenced. Stevenson's method of recording a child's statements before searching for a matching deceased person is central to this case.
No, a physical mark cannot prove a past life by itself. In this case, Esra had a visible dent on his chest that his sister linked to a rock striking him during the drowning he described. The episode notes that the chest wall deformity is a known congenital condition found in about one in 400 children, so the mark becomes meaningful only when paired with statements recorded before the match was known.
Carol Bowman raised this question earlier in the season, and host Kai Dickens frames it as the central issue of this episode. The reasoning is that many children who remember past lives recall traumatic deaths, and talking through those memories might help a child release fear or grief. The episode presents the question as open rather than settled, and it highlights how the family treated the boy's fear as something to understand.
Weerasinghe, a Harvard neuroscientist whose research focuses on neuroimaging and psychiatry, entered an essay contest backed by the Bigelow Institute for Consciousness Studies. The contest offered almost $2 million in prize money for serious arguments about life after death. He chose reincarnation as his framework, remembered a newspaper article about Esra from the early 2000s, and later contacted Esra, who agreed to participate in the study.
The episode says no, not necessarily. Stevenson argued that Sri Lanka's cultural openness to rebirth makes such cases easier to find and document, but investigators stress that this does not mean reincarnation happens more often there. The difference lies in how readily families report and discuss these statements.

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