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[2:02] Mhm.
[4:05] >> Mhm.
[6:08] >> Mhm.
[6:50] >> Good morning, Ajahn.
[6:52] >> Welcome back to the BSV.
[6:54] >> [laughter]
[6:55] >> After the rains.
[6:56] >> After the rains after your rains period.
[6:58] Thank you for coming. This morning we
[7:00] have Ajahn Amaro Hari offering us the
[7:03] the the Dhamma talk
[7:05] and actually welcome to everyone here
[7:07] and as well as our online audience as
[7:09] well. So, we'll start with
[7:11] requesting the refugees and the
[7:13] precepts. And Salvatore is not here
[7:14] today, so Don is going to make that
[7:16] request and we can all participate in
[7:17] this.
[7:34] >> May I come back there?
[7:56] Repeat after me.
[8:01] Namo tassa Bhagavato
[8:05] Arahato Samma Sambuddhassa
[8:10] Namo
[8:48] Buddha saranam gachchhami.
[8:55] Dhammam saranam gachchhami.
[9:02] Sangham saranam gachchhami.
[9:09] Dutiyampi Buddham saranam gachchhami.
[9:18] Dutiyampi Dhammam saranam gachchhami.
[9:26] Dutiyampi Sangham saranam gachchhami.
[9:35] Tatiyampi Buddham saranam gachchhami.
[9:43] Tatiyampi Dhammam saranam gachchhami.
[9:52] Tatiyampi Sangham saranam gachchhami.
[10:00] Saranagamanamana nitthitam.
[10:03] >> [snorts]
[10:04] >> Panatipata
[10:06] veramani sikkhapadam samadiyami.
[10:11] >> [music]
[10:15] >> Adinnadana
[10:17] Veramani Sikkhapadam Samadiyami.
[10:27] Kamesu Micchacara
[10:30] Veramani Sikkhapadam Samadiyami.
[10:41] Musavada Veramani Sikkhapadam
[10:44] Samadiyami.
[10:52] Surameraya Majjapamadatthana
[10:55] Veramani Sikkhapadam Samadiyami.
[11:07] Tisaranena saddhim Pancanga Samannagata
[11:11] Silam Dhammam Sadukam Surakkhitam Katva
[11:16] Appamdena Sampadetha.
[11:22] >> [clears throat]
[11:23] >> Now, uh
[11:25] recollection of Buddha, Dhamma, and
[11:28] Sangha.
[11:30] Iti pi so Bhagava Arahaṃ Sammā Sambuddho
[11:38] Vijjācaraṇa
[11:40] Sampanno
[11:42] Sugato Lokavidū
[11:46] Anuttaro
[11:47] Purisadamma
[11:49] Sārathi
[11:51] Satthā Deva Manussānaṃ
[11:55] Buddho Bhagavāti.
[12:00] Svākkhāto
[12:02] Bhagavatā
[12:03] Dhammo
[12:05] Sanditthiko
[12:07] Akāliko
[12:09] Ehipassiko
[12:12] Opanayiko
[12:15] but
[12:16] they
[12:17] did that ball we knew he tea.
[12:22] Supatipa
[12:24] no Bhagavad
[12:26] or
[12:27] Sawa song hall.
[12:29] Would you party no Bhagavad
[12:33] or Sawa
[12:34] song hall. Now
[12:37] party
[12:38] no Bhagavad
[12:41] or Sawa
[12:42] song hall. Sami tea party
[12:47] Bhagavad
[12:49] or Sawa
[12:50] song hall.
[12:52] Yadi done chat
[12:55] re police you got
[12:58] a
[12:58] police book a lot.
[13:01] Is [snorts] a Bhagavad
[13:04] or Sawa
[13:05] song hall. Ah who nail
[13:09] power who nail
[13:12] duck in a
[13:14] and jolly car and nail
[13:17] and new the
[13:19] pool near get done low
[13:22] car
[13:23] tea.
[13:26] Now car and nail method suit the
[13:28] chanting.
[13:31] Car and nail method suit the chanting
[13:35] young
[13:36] tongue song tongue
[13:38] a b c major
[13:41] sack
[13:42] would you just so you
[13:45] swear to just move on a tea money.
[13:51] Song to say
[13:53] just so bad or
[13:56] up kitchen
[13:58] salad
[13:59] who would
[14:01] tea.
[14:02] Song tea
[14:03] nail
[14:04] just need back or
[14:06] up garden
[14:09] cool
[14:09] as who are no no good though.
[14:13] No charger good
[14:14] song
[14:15] charger
[14:16] king
[14:17] and
[14:18] no. avin
[14:19] pare upa vad
[14:22] yum. Sukhino
[14:25] a khemino
[14:27] hontu sabbe satta bhavantu sukhitatta.
[14:34] Yekechi
[14:36] pana bhutatti
[14:39] tasava
[14:41] varava
[14:43] anavasesa.
[14:45] Dighava
[14:48] mahantava
[14:50] majjhima
[14:52] rassakanukathula.
[14:56] Ditthava
[14:59] ye addittha
[15:01] yecha dure vasanti avidure.
[15:07] Bhutava
[15:09] sambhavesi
[15:11] va sabbe satta bhavantu sukhitatta.
[15:18] Ye naparo param nikubbetha
[15:23] natimannetha
[15:25] katthachi nang kinchi
[15:29] byarosana
[15:31] patighasanna
[15:34] nyan nyan nyan nyan nyan nyan dukkha
[15:37] miccheyya.
[15:39] Matayathaniyam
[15:42] puttam
[15:44] ayusa
[15:46] ekaputta
[15:47] manurakkhe.
[15:50] Evampi sabbabhutesu
[15:54] manasabhavaye
[15:57] aparimanam.
[16:00] Mettancha
[16:01] sabbalokasmim
[16:04] manasabhavaye
[16:08] aparimanam.
[16:10] Uddhang adhocha tiriya nancha asambadham
[16:17] averam asapatta.
[16:20] Titthang tongue char and
[16:25] say
[16:28] that's
[16:29] we got me
[16:32] something
[16:36] problem
[16:38] we
[16:39] either
[16:41] the
[16:43] the problem
[16:44] see
[16:46] that's say
[16:49] problem
[16:50] problem
[16:52] we
[16:53] again
[16:55] not the problem say
[16:58] problem
[17:00] the
[17:02] that's
[17:03] >> [clears throat]
[17:11] >> So, all of you are welcome to the Sunday
[17:14] Dhamma talk in Buddhist society,
[17:16] Victoria.
[17:18] So,
[17:20] today I thought to talk about
[17:24] the practicing noble eightfold path. So,
[17:28] I saw that
[17:31] topic on
[17:33] one of the documents of
[17:35] uh we were asked to write essay on these
[17:38] things. So, actually I
[17:40] >> [laughter]
[17:40] [gasps]
[17:41] >> I didn't do it, but I thought it is good
[17:43] to talk
[17:45] about the how this uh practicing noble
[17:48] eightfold path.
[17:50] So, the most important thing about noble
[17:53] eightfold path is
[17:55] we should understand what is noble
[17:57] eightfold path and what is the purpose
[17:59] of noble eightfold path.
[18:01] >> [snorts]
[18:02] >> Without understanding these things, we
[18:03] if we practice only one or two factors
[18:06] of noble eightfold path is
[18:08] no much meaning.
[18:11] So, the purpose of noble eightfold path
[18:14] should understand first. So, this
[18:16] purpose arise
[18:19] because of the right view.
[18:23] Right view means you
[18:25] Lord Buddha inspire to see this world
[18:29] based on such a way
[18:31] without
[18:33] not without falling into delusion
[18:35] because the d-
[18:36] According to Buddhism according to
[18:38] Buddha's teachings, delusion is a part
[18:41] of all existences, all all lives, all
[18:44] consciousnesses are based on delusion.
[18:48] That is how Lord Buddha
[18:50] the [snorts] introduce
[18:52] this Dhamma or the way
[18:56] you should understand your life or
[18:58] anyone's life
[19:00] any [snorts] consciousness in this world
[19:03] always based on delusion. That's how
[19:06] Lord Buddha say and that's how we should
[19:09] understand. So
[19:12] So
[19:13] are we ready to believe these kind of
[19:15] things?
[19:16] >> [laughter]
[19:17] >> Who who want to believe these things?
[19:20] So then then Lord Buddha inspire
[19:23] >> [snorts]
[19:24] >> to investigate and see
[19:28] how we take this consciousness is
[19:31] deluded.
[19:33] So Lord Buddha inspire to see this this
[19:36] thing to understand
[19:38] by
[19:39] carefully examine
[19:41] when we are conscious in this world that
[19:44] means you when consciousness arise.
[19:46] >> [snorts]
[19:47] >> Whatever thing produced by consciousness
[19:50] that means forms, feelings, perceptions,
[19:52] volitions and consciousnesses new
[19:55] another conscious.
[19:59] Don't take
[20:01] the forms we perceive or we understand
[20:04] through our consciousness that is uh
[20:07] sight, sounds, smells, tastes, touches
[20:10] and thoughts.
[20:12] We don't take as
[20:15] impermanent when we are dealing with uh
[20:18] this
[20:19] when these things arise within us.
[20:22] >> [snorts]
[20:22] >> The forms we don't take as impermanent,
[20:25] we take as we actually
[20:28] do not consider as impermanent. It
[20:32] automatically takes as permanent and
[20:34] dealing deal with sight, sound, smell,
[20:37] taste, touch and thoughts.
[20:40] And make further actions or choices.
[20:45] >> [snorts]
[20:46] >> It is a It is It is a a kind of a
[20:48] natural flow of happening things within
[20:50] us.
[20:53] Without taking these things as
[20:56] impermanent, without considering the the
[20:59] the unreliability on these forms,
[21:02] feelings, perceptions and volitions.
[21:05] Take as reliable, take as permanent,
[21:07] take as fixed.
[21:09] Uh take as certain.
[21:11] It It
[21:12] It is not we are specifically taking,
[21:15] but the It is a part of consciousness.
[21:17] It is a part of the activity of
[21:19] consciousness.
[21:21] >> [snorts]
[21:21] >> In natural It is a It is a kind of a
[21:23] natural flow
[21:25] happening within us, within all living
[21:28] beings.
[21:29] >> [snorts]
[21:30] >> That's why Lord Buddha say consciousness
[21:33] is deluded already.
[21:35] The In In other words, Buddha say
[21:39] uh
[21:40] >> [snorts]
[21:40] >> anicca nicca saññā
[21:42] dukkhe sukha saññā anatte atta saññā.
[21:45] That means
[21:46] we perceive
[21:49] uh impermanence as permanence.
[21:53] Uncertainty the the suffering as
[21:56] the happiness or the not suffering.
[21:59] >> [snorts]
[22:00] >> Uh
[22:01] not self as self.
[22:04] It is a It It is happening within us
[22:08] as a natu- natural phenomena.
[22:10] It is a It is a natural phenomena always
[22:13] happening within any living
[22:14] [clears throat] being. It is not only
[22:16] for you or someone else.
[22:18] It is common for all living beings.
[22:21] It is common for all consciousnesses.
[22:25] So that's why Lord Buddha said this this
[22:28] flow this natural phenomena always based
[22:32] on delusion.
[22:33] >> [snorts]
[22:34] >> So therefore
[22:36] we have to
[22:38] filter out this delusion to see this
[22:41] world properly.
[22:43] So that means you may have to develop
[22:46] Anicca Anicca Sanna, Dukkha Dukkha
[22:49] Sanna,
[22:50] Anatta Anatta Sanna. That means we have
[22:52] to develop the right perceptions within
[22:54] us
[22:55] and practice these right perceptions in
[22:58] our day-to-day life to see this world
[23:00] properly, correctly, or right
[23:03] the develop the right view.
[23:05] Otherwise
[23:07] naturally we have the wrong view.
[23:10] >> [snorts]
[23:11] >> It is a part of our life.
[23:13] Wrong view is a part of our life. So
[23:16] then we have to develop the right view,
[23:18] practice the practice the non-delusion
[23:21] and rectify our view.
[23:25] Purify
[23:28] our view to right view. Otherwise we
[23:31] already have the wrong view.
[23:33] >> [snorts]
[23:34] >> Because our vision always based on
[23:37] delusion. Or our consciousness always
[23:39] based on delusion.
[23:43] So that is the most important thing we
[23:46] have to keep in mind and practice.
[23:47] Otherwise we don't we don't get what is
[23:50] what is the right view and what is wrong
[23:52] view.
[23:53] >> [snorts]
[23:54] >> Lord Buddha said when you practice these
[23:56] right perceptions by removing wrong
[23:59] perceptions
[24:00] at the the Anicca
[24:03] the Nicca Sanna, Sukha Sanna, Atta Sanna
[24:06] we remove and we practice Anicca Sanna,
[24:09] Dukkha Sanna, Anatta Sanna. So that it
[24:12] will
[24:14] correct our
[24:16] perceptions and then we see through
[24:18] those perceptions this world then we
[24:22] develop the right understanding about
[24:24] the world.
[24:26] What is right understanding about the
[24:29] world according to Buddhism.
[24:33] Dukha nyana, dukha samudaya nyana,
[24:35] nirodha nyana, nirodha gamini patipada
[24:37] nyana. The knowledge of suffering
[24:40] we then try to
[24:43] gain the the right knowledges regarding
[24:46] this world. Knowledge of suffering.
[24:49] Because
[24:50] if you take
[24:52] uh if you don't carefully
[24:55] uh
[24:56] remove the the
[24:58] ni anicca sanna. Because nicca sanna we
[25:01] we normally
[25:03] when consciousness is working normally
[25:06] uh
[25:06] take all all the things arising our mind
[25:10] all forms, feelings, perceptions,
[25:12] volitions, and consciousnesses arise
[25:14] within us
[25:15] we don't take as impermanent and we fall
[25:19] into further actions of further
[25:21] uh
[25:22] activities through our mind and body
[25:26] >> [snorts]
[25:27] >> uh
[25:28] based on rely on these forms, feelings,
[25:30] perceptions, volitions, and
[25:32] consciousnesses arise within us in each
[25:34] and every moment.
[25:36] So it is a natural flow of happening
[25:39] within us.
[25:41] >> [snorts]
[25:41] >> Flow of this uh mentality flowing and uh
[25:45] the all our bodily actions or the the
[25:48] mentality and materiality related to our
[25:51] life always
[25:53] run as a flow based on this delusion. So
[25:56] that's why Lord Buddha say
[25:58] you have to
[25:59] carefully uh
[26:03] remove this delusion so then you see
[26:07] this world in the right way so you you
[26:10] uh see all the forms, feelings,
[26:12] perceptions, volitions, and
[26:13] consciousnesses arise within us as
[26:15] impermanent. Therefore
[26:19] we are vulnerable to suffering because
[26:21] when if you are not mindful
[26:24] naturally we take impermanent things as
[26:27] it permanent that means impermanent
[26:28] forms, feelings, perceptions, volitions
[26:30] as permanent
[26:31] make our future expectations or the
[26:34] future plans or activities or activities
[26:37] related to the present moment.
[26:41] All these things
[26:43] have a certain level of uncertainty.
[26:47] So, if we rely on these things,
[26:49] definitely we fall into suffering. So,
[26:52] now you feel things as
[26:54] this is good, this is nice, this is
[26:56] beautiful. Our feelings are pleasant.
[27:00] Nice.
[27:01] But, this pleasantness
[27:04] always depend on causes and conditions
[27:06] in this moment.
[27:08] When the causes and conditions change,
[27:10] that that is called uncertainty
[27:12] impermanence.
[27:13] So, we fall into unhappy states or
[27:17] suffering states. So, if we know this is
[27:20] the nature, this is the reality,
[27:22] so we we do not we don't go into too
[27:26] much relying on our forms, feelings,
[27:28] perceptions, and volition. That is
[27:30] anicce anicca sanna.
[27:32] We keep that
[27:34] perception of impermanence
[27:37] in use
[27:38] in our daily life and let go the nicca
[27:40] sanna and establish the anicca sanna.
[27:44] So, [snorts] then we we don't take
[27:46] everything as happiness because we know
[27:49] that
[27:50] even though happy things are
[27:53] impermanent, therefore it leads to
[27:55] unhappiness. So, we are not going to
[27:58] strongly uh attach or holding on to all
[28:02] these forms, feelings, perceptions that
[28:04] arise within us.
[28:06] So, we ready to let go and be calm. And
[28:09] but, we use these things in our
[28:11] day-to-day life activities because we
[28:13] have to rely on our senses. We have to
[28:15] rely on our consciousness
[28:17] to live in this world.
[28:22] But, we know suffering is always
[28:24] associated with this phenomena. So,
[28:26] therefore
[28:27] >> [snorts]
[28:27] >> we
[28:29] we may we are not going to keep high
[28:32] hopes on
[28:34] this phenomena and the products of the
[28:35] phenomena. That means all
[28:38] forms, feelings, perceptions, volitions,
[28:40] and consciousnesses arise within us.
[28:43] So,
[28:44] so that is practicing non-delusion, and
[28:46] then we we gradually develop the
[28:49] knowledges regarding
[28:52] our
[28:53] consciousnesses.
[28:55] And all the products of consciousness,
[28:56] all forms, feelings, perceptions,
[28:58] volitions, and consciousnesses are
[29:01] leads to suffering. There is suffering,
[29:03] then become You see this world the the
[29:06] You you gain the knowledges regarding
[29:10] >> [snorts]
[29:11] >> all your mentality and materiality.
[29:14] Gradually, you gain these things.
[29:16] Then the the the cause of suffering.
[29:19] Cause of suffering means
[29:21] the the the the craving arise within us.
[29:24] If you are not mindful,
[29:26] naturally, the craving arise within us.
[29:29] Or it it is a part of your
[29:30] consciousness. When you are conscious,
[29:33] the the choices arise, and craving arise
[29:35] within us as an
[29:37] as a consequence.
[29:40] So, if you know this, this is the
[29:42] nature, so you can let go your craving
[29:45] arise within you.
[29:47] You can cut off it
[29:49] without much worry.
[29:51] Because you don't take The next thing is
[29:54] you don't take as I me myself. This is a
[29:57] products of
[29:59] this natural phenomena. This is this
[30:01] body me and mind is a natural phenomena,
[30:04] so no need to take it as I me myself. It
[30:07] is happening within all other living
[30:09] beings, including your body and mind.
[30:11] So,
[30:13] you develop the ability to let go.
[30:19] >> [snorts]
[30:19] >> That is third
[30:21] third noble truth.
[30:23] Achieving the cessation, letting go.
[30:26] That is me achieving the Nirodha, the
[30:29] the cessation of all the phenomena. Or
[30:33] in the present moment, whatever thing
[30:34] arise, you you can let go and
[30:37] release get release your mind.
[30:41] It is a one step of
[30:43] achieving cessation.
[30:45] The
[30:48] uh
[30:50] Chago patinisago mutti analio. You
[30:53] patinisago is just let go.
[30:55] And release your mind. Mutti, then you
[30:58] release your mind. Mutti means you
[31:00] release your mind.
[31:01] One by one. So, you can achieve these
[31:04] states. Then you you see it as a
[31:06] practical thing you can achieve easily.
[31:11] So, then you develop mind to more deeper
[31:14] level level of liberation. No more
[31:17] wanting craving
[31:19] to have this these states of
[31:21] experiences. You can develop mind to
[31:24] more deeper
[31:26] levels of cessation.
[31:28] That means you
[31:29] uh fully turn off the sensuality.
[31:32] >> [snorts]
[31:33] >> So, that's it that is how Oh,
[31:35] the when we practice the noble eightfold
[31:37] path, develop mind stage by stage. So,
[31:41] we uh for uh practicing all the the when
[31:46] we talk about practicing noble eightfold
[31:49] path, we should understand why we should
[31:53] practice noble eightfold path. What is
[31:54] the purpose of it?
[31:56] >> [snorts]
[31:57] >> So, this purpose come from
[31:59] the understanding of
[32:02] four noble truths.
[32:04] That is the first factor of noble
[32:06] eightfold path, right view. Right view
[32:09] means the understanding about the four
[32:11] noble truths.
[32:13] When we understand the four four noble
[32:15] truths, then we get the motivation to
[32:18] practice
[32:19] noble eightfold path. Second factor of
[32:22] noble eightfold path is
[32:25] uh
[32:27] right motivation.
[32:29] Samma sankappa.
[32:31] >> [snorts]
[32:31] >> Right motivation or the right purpose of
[32:33] the practice.
[32:35] That is
[32:36] uh Uh
[32:38] uh
[32:40] non-cruelty, non-ill will, and
[32:42] non-sensuality.
[32:44] It leads to non-sensuality.
[32:47] So, that is the most important thing.
[32:49] So, [snorts] non-cruelty, non-ill will,
[32:51] and non-sensuality. Because cruelty, ill
[32:54] will, and sensuality come from delusion.
[32:58] >> [snorts]
[32:59] >> We take
[33:00] all our experiences leads to happiness,
[33:03] then crave, we strongly attached to
[33:06] these sensual objects.
[33:09] Why?
[33:10] We We wrongly
[33:12] interact, or we wrongly take these
[33:16] sensual objects, sight, sound, smells,
[33:18] taste, touches, and thoughts.
[33:19] Or in general, forms, feelings,
[33:22] perceptions, volitions, and
[33:23] consciousnesses arise within us.
[33:26] All the forms for a human is sight,
[33:29] sound, smells, taste, touches, and
[33:30] thoughts related to the this this
[33:32] sensual world objects.
[33:35] So, all these things I When we take
[33:36] these things I
[33:37] as impermanent, we are not going to
[33:39] strongly attached to any of these
[33:40] things. So, we can quickly release our
[33:43] mind.
[33:44] That is [snorts] why
[33:45] the practicing the anicca saññā, the
[33:48] perception of uncertainty,
[33:51] is helpful to get release your mind from
[33:55] attaching to the this sensual world
[33:57] objects.
[33:58] >> [snorts]
[33:59] >> And all the feelings, perceptions, and
[34:02] volitions related to these sensual world
[34:05] objects,
[34:07] we can let go by contemplating as
[34:09] impermanent, suffering, and not self.
[34:11] So, that's why So, this basic
[34:14] non-delusion you should understand. This
[34:17] is the the the ground level of
[34:19] non-delusion.
[34:21] So, when we practice
[34:23] the the notion of non-delusion, or the
[34:26] this is delusion and this is
[34:28] non-delusion, so we can quickly release
[34:30] our mind from the sensual world.
[34:33] That is called non-sensuality.
[34:36] So, [snorts] but when we are living in
[34:37] this world, we can't fully practice
[34:40] non-sensuality all the time.
[34:42] But, we can reserve times
[34:46] to release our mind from
[34:48] the sensuality. So, when we are
[34:50] practicing meditation,
[34:52] we can
[34:53] fully let go the sensuality and develop
[34:55] mind to the non-sensual states of mind.
[34:58] So, that is the path that is the
[34:59] practice of that is the higher level of
[35:01] the practice of the path.
[35:04] That is
[35:05] right effort, right mindfulness, and
[35:08] right stillness of the mind.
[35:11] That is sammasamadhi. Sammasamadhi is
[35:14] right stillness or right concentration.
[35:17] When we develop mind to those these
[35:19] higher states of mind, so then we can
[35:22] achieve the deep stillnesses of the mind
[35:25] or the liberation from the sensuality.
[35:30] So, there is a higher state of mind
[35:32] beyond
[35:33] beyond humanity. Uttari manussa dhamma.
[35:36] These are called Uttari manussa dhamma.
[35:38] We have to put an effort.
[35:40] You have to That is That's why
[35:43] right effort
[35:44] come as the sixth factor of noble
[35:47] eightfold path. The seventh factor is
[35:50] right mindfulness based on right effort.
[35:53] >> [snorts]
[35:53] >> And then it leads to
[35:56] right
[35:57] stillness or liberation.
[35:59] The it is
[36:01] this the the the eighth factor of noble
[36:03] eightfold path is uh
[36:08] is
[36:09] right stillness means four jhanas. Four
[36:12] jhanas, Lord Buddha say it is a
[36:15] liberation
[36:16] from the sensuality. It is a liberation
[36:19] cetovimutti. Mind got liberated from
[36:24] sensuality.
[36:25] Liberated from suffering.
[36:28] It is a temporary state of mind, but
[36:30] still you can develop mind to these
[36:33] states to directly experience the
[36:35] liberation.
[36:37] So, that is the purpose of the path.
[36:40] >> [snorts]
[36:40] >> So, this is a gradual development,
[36:42] gradual
[36:43] uh practice of
[36:45] the path to develop the liberate mind
[36:48] from the sensuality.
[36:50] Liberate mind from the suffering states.
[36:52] Because the sensual states are
[36:54] highly impermanent and uncertain. So,
[36:58] when you develop mind to these these
[37:00] mind-made states of mind the the the
[37:02] states of uh, mind. So, these are little
[37:05] bit stable than these sensual state.
[37:08] Still you have attached to these states
[37:10] of
[37:11] uh, sensual states that the mind come
[37:13] back, then you can understand why mind
[37:16] mind come back to the sensual states
[37:18] that in this human life.
[37:20] Human body and human mind related to
[37:23] this
[37:24] sensuality.
[37:26] >> [snorts]
[37:27] >> So, then I will read a sutta related to
[37:31] this on how Lord Buddha inspire people
[37:33] to
[37:34] practice the path.
[37:37] What is the right practice?
[37:40] In this sutta about the sutta I'm going
[37:43] to read here
[37:44] today.
[37:46] Lord Buddha say
[37:48] the practicing right
[37:50] uh,
[37:50] the the right practice
[37:53] of this Buddha's teachings means you are
[37:56] practicing
[37:59] the
[38:00] paticcasamuppada, the dependent
[38:02] origination in the right way.
[38:05] You are going to stop this dependent
[38:08] origination.
[38:10] Because the dependent origination Lord
[38:12] Buddha show independent origination
[38:15] everything originated from delusion.
[38:18] Now, you are going to stop the delusion.
[38:21] When you are stopping the delusion all
[38:23] the the consequences come behind you. By
[38:26] behind this that the the dependent
[38:28] origination come to the cessation.
[38:32] That is the original the starting point
[38:35] come to
[38:37] the cessation. There is going to stop
[38:40] the delusion.
[38:42] Means you are going to stop your
[38:45] consciousness. You are going to stop all
[38:47] sankhara which create consciousness.
[38:51] Then everything go to the cessation.
[38:53] If when you are not
[38:55] no more conscious,
[38:57] then no more feelings, perceptions,
[38:59] volitions,
[39:00] and more consciousness consciousnesses
[39:03] no not going to arise again. That is a
[39:06] type of a cessation.
[39:08] >> [snorts]
[39:08] >> It is a
[39:09] it is a cessation.
[39:13] So that's why when we are practicing
[39:15] non-delusion it uh everything go to the
[39:18] cessation.
[39:20] That is what this this uh sutta explain.
[39:24] I will read this suttas because it is it
[39:26] is very important to go to suttas and
[39:31] refer to suttas. This is direct
[39:32] teachings of the Buddha.
[39:34] These are all direct teachings of the
[39:36] Buddha.
[39:38] >> [snorts]
[39:46] [snorts]
[39:53] >> Yeah. This is called Patipada Sutta.
[39:59] I will read.
[40:00] Uh this is Samyutta Nikaya Nidanavagga
[40:04] Samyutta Nidana Samyutta
[40:07] Buddhavagga.
[40:11] Patipada Sutta.
[40:13] >> [snorts]
[40:13] >> Uh
[40:15] if you read in This is Ajahn Sujato's
[40:17] translation.
[40:18] Uh
[40:20] if you read this one in
[40:22] Sutta Central,
[40:23] so you can go to the SN
[40:27] 12.3.
[40:29] SN 12.3.
[40:35] Uh Ajahn Sujato uh
[40:37] translate this Patipada Sutta as
[40:39] practice.
[40:41] Practice. This is the translation.
[40:43] At Savatthi,
[40:47] Buddha addressed the mendicants.
[40:49] Mendicants,
[40:50] I will teach you the wrong practice and
[40:53] the right practice.
[40:56] Listen and apply your mind well. I will
[40:59] speak.
[41:03] "Yes, sir." They replied. The Buddha
[41:05] said this.
[41:09] And
[41:10] what is the wrong practice?
[41:16] Ignorance
[41:17] is a requirement for choices. This is
[41:19] the wrong practice. Ignorance is a
[41:22] requirement for choices.
[41:25] Choices are a requirement for
[41:27] consciousnesses.
[41:29] >> [snorts]
[41:29] >> Consciousnesses is a requirement for
[41:32] name and form.
[41:34] Nama-rupa.
[41:36] Name and form are requirements for the
[41:39] six sense fields.
[41:42] The six sense fields are requirements
[41:45] for contact. Contact
[41:48] is a requirement for feeling. Feeling is
[41:51] a requirement for craving. Craving is a
[41:54] requirement for grasping or upadana.
[41:58] Attachment.
[42:00] Grasping is a requirement for continued
[42:03] existence. Continued existence is a
[42:07] requirement for rebirth. Rebirth is a
[42:10] requirement for old age,
[42:13] death,
[42:14] old age and death, sorrow, lamentation,
[42:17] pain, sadness,
[42:20] and distress
[42:22] to come to be.
[42:25] That is how this entire mass of
[42:27] suffering originates.
[42:30] This is called wrong practice.
[42:33] That means
[42:34] if you allow to happen
[42:37] this dependent origination within you,
[42:40] that means
[42:41] you are allow
[42:43] to delusion
[42:45] to come to the action within your body
[42:48] and mind.
[42:49] That means
[42:50] delusion that just uh
[42:54] uh generate consciousness and then you
[42:56] are start the
[42:58] five four five sense fields start
[43:03] uh six uh sense faculties
[43:06] uh
[43:09] uh start
[43:10] come to come to action.
[43:12] And all the feelings, perceptions, all
[43:14] the craving, wanting, attachment happen
[43:17] within you.
[43:19] So,
[43:21] therefore, you have to
[43:23] train your mind to let go and bring to
[43:26] the cessation.
[43:28] That is the purpose of the path.
[43:30] Achieving the cessation, cessation of
[43:33] suffering.
[43:35] That means
[43:36] when you are practicing the right thing
[43:38] means you are practicing the cessation.
[43:43] That is the purpose of noble eightfold
[43:45] path.
[43:46] And what is the right practice? Then I
[43:48] will read the next part of this sutta.
[43:51] >> [snorts]
[43:51] >> When ignorance fade away
[43:54] and cessation with no residue left
[43:57] behind choices.
[44:00] Behind choices
[44:02] uh ceases.
[44:04] When ignorance fade away and ceases
[44:07] within no residue left behind
[44:10] then the choices ceases.
[44:13] When the choices ceases
[44:15] the then the when the choices cease
[44:19] consciousness cease.
[44:21] When the consciousness ceases name and
[44:25] form cease.
[44:27] When name and form cease the six sense
[44:30] field cease. When the six sense field
[44:33] cease contact ceases. When contact
[44:36] ceases feeling ceases cease.
[44:40] When feeling cease ceases
[44:42] uh craving ceases. When craving ceases
[44:46] grasping ceases.
[44:48] When grasping ceases continued existence
[44:52] ceases. When continued existence ceases,
[44:56] rebirth ceases.
[44:59] >> [snorts]
[45:00] >> When rebirth ceases, old age, death,
[45:03] sorrow, lamentation, pain, sadness, and
[45:08] distress cease.
[45:11] That is how entire mass of suffering
[45:14] ceases.
[45:15] This is called the right practice.
[45:18] >> [snorts]
[45:19] >> So, Lord Buddha explained what is right
[45:22] practice and what is wrong practice in
[45:24] this [clears throat] way also.
[45:26] So, that is you are practicing noble
[45:29] eightfold path means you are practicing
[45:34] how to reach the cessation of suffering.
[45:39] That means you
[45:41] the suffering arise when consciousness
[45:44] arise in this world.
[45:46] When the consciousness arise in this
[45:48] world?
[45:49] When you come to the rebirth.
[45:52] >> [gasps]
[45:53] >> When you
[45:54] come to
[45:56] the existence in this world as a small
[45:59] child or come the rebirth as a human
[46:04] in this [snorts] world,
[46:06] then
[46:07] this body and mind existence come to
[46:10] this world.
[46:12] Then the eye, ear, nose, tongue, body,
[46:14] mind, consciousness start functioning in
[46:16] this world.
[46:19] >> [snorts]
[46:20] >> So, how we achieve
[46:22] the cessation of rebirth?
[46:25] So, for achieving the cessation of
[46:26] rebirth, you should achieve the
[46:29] cessation of this
[46:31] natural flow of happening things. That
[46:34] is
[46:34] this dependent origination start from
[46:37] delusion. So, then you should achieve
[46:40] the cessation of delusion.
[46:43] How it happen?
[46:46] So, there are is if there is no more
[46:48] consciousness,
[46:50] >> [snorts]
[46:51] >> that means you you achieve the cessation
[46:53] of consciousness cessation of delusion.
[46:56] So, that's why Lord Buddha say
[46:58] you should achieve the develop mind to
[47:01] the
[47:02] full cessation. Cessation of
[47:06] uh
[47:07] >> [snorts]
[47:08] >> uh cessation of
[47:10] uh forms and feelings.
[47:12] That is the highest state of mind you
[47:14] can achieve.
[47:15] By developing mind
[47:17] developing the cessation of the mind.
[47:20] Cessation.
[47:22] The mind we
[47:23] describe based on feelings, perceptions,
[47:26] and volitions.
[47:28] >> [snorts]
[47:28] >> If there is no feelings, no perceptions,
[47:30] no volitions
[47:32] means there is no more consciousness.
[47:35] No more conscious means
[47:37] it is the cessation of mind.
[47:42] That is the way Buddha explain it. So,
[47:44] these things we can directly
[47:47] do uh experience or directly develop
[47:50] these states of mind.
[47:53] So, you get when you develop your mind,
[47:55] you can come to these states of these uh
[47:58] the the full cessation. You can achieve
[48:01] the full cessation. That's how Lord
[48:04] Buddha inspire people to do. People
[48:06] practice these things and achieve these
[48:08] states of mind.
[48:11] The first thing is the practicing noble
[48:13] eightfold path
[48:15] to achieve the cessation of sensual
[48:17] world. Then you can understand, yes,
[48:19] cessation is a
[48:21] reality.
[48:23] Cessation can be achieved
[48:25] by
[48:27] practicing.
[48:29] The cessation of human life, human body
[48:32] can achieve
[48:34] by practicing
[48:35] mind
[48:36] and turn away from the sensuality
[48:39] and develop mind to the non-sensual
[48:41] states, then mind is no more
[48:44] uh
[48:45] uh
[48:45] uh
[48:47] adverting the sensual world objects or
[48:50] the sensuality.
[48:52] Then mind go and advert the non-sensual
[48:55] world objects and stay with the
[48:57] non-sensuality.
[48:58] So, then the this human body go to the
[49:00] cessation.
[49:02] Cessation means now scientists do
[49:05] research on these things and say when a
[49:06] person attain jhanas, human body go to
[49:09] the clinical death. That's actually they
[49:11] say.
[49:12] Clinical death means your body and mind
[49:14] is no more no more working. That means
[49:16] the human body go to the clinical death.
[49:19] And mind go to the different state of
[49:20] existence and experience a different
[49:23] thing.
[49:24] >> [snorts]
[49:24] >> So, these things possible to achieve
[49:26] then that that is called cessation of
[49:28] the sensuality.
[49:31] The sensual world consciousnesses. The
[49:33] consciousness That's why Lord Buddha
[49:34] divide consciousness into six classes.
[49:38] >> [laughter]
[49:38] >> Mind consciousness is one thing.
[49:42] Mind consciousness related to sensuality
[49:44] is one thing. So, that means that's why
[49:46] six
[49:47] faculties uh
[49:49] explained in Buddhism. Eye, ear, nose,
[49:52] tongue, body, mind.
[49:53] And the consciousnesses also related to
[49:55] eye, ear, nose, tongue, body, mind
[49:58] is also
[49:59] uh take as separate consciousnesses.
[50:03] >> [snorts]
[50:04] >> When this human body go to the cessation
[50:07] that means the
[50:09] eye, ear, nose, tongue, body go to the
[50:11] cessation, all the mentality related to
[50:13] the eye, ear, nose, tongue, body go to
[50:15] the cessation.
[50:16] Then the mind in mind stay in a
[50:18] different state of existence. That means
[50:20] the mind is adverting a different type
[50:23] of objects.
[50:24] It is not related to the five senses.
[50:27] The five senses world go to the
[50:29] cessation.
[50:31] So, these things are
[50:33] realities which are not common for
[50:36] normal living beings in this world.
[50:39] >> [snorts]
[50:41] >> If only the people who practice the path
[50:44] and develop mind to these higher states
[50:48] only know this is a truth. This is a
[50:50] reality.
[50:52] So, the other people when they associate
[50:55] with such people who develop mind to
[50:57] these higher states and they inspire the
[51:01] common people. So, if they have faith
[51:04] and confidence regarding those people
[51:07] and their teachings,
[51:09] so then they get the inspiration. They
[51:12] get the courage to practice the path and
[51:15] develop the mind to these higher states.
[51:18] That is those are the only people
[51:22] who practice the path and develop mind
[51:25] to these higher states
[51:28] and directly experience these states of
[51:30] mind.
[51:33] It is a reality for them,
[51:36] not to the people who don't practice
[51:38] and do not have faith and confidence
[51:40] regarding these things.
[51:43] But the interesting and important thing
[51:46] is
[51:47] when you have faith and confidence,
[51:50] these teachings and the people who
[51:52] practice these things and associate with
[51:54] such people and get inspired to develop
[51:57] these practices within your body and
[52:00] mind,
[52:01] and achieve these states of mind, then
[52:04] you can directly experience these states
[52:06] of mind. And
[52:08] the one of the fortunate things for you
[52:11] to
[52:13] understand,
[52:15] even the these days people practice
[52:17] these things and achieve these higher
[52:18] states of mind.
[52:20] And scientist
[52:22] were interested and they did research on
[52:25] these people who develop mind to jhana
[52:28] states and they clearly understand
[52:31] when these people
[52:34] attain these jhana states,
[52:36] their human bodies
[52:38] go to clinical death.
[52:41] That means their the the brain function
[52:44] and heart function
[52:46] stop.
[52:48] That means
[52:49] they are dead dead those bodies are dead
[52:52] bodies.
[52:54] >> [laughter]
[52:54] >> No more human life for them
[52:57] at that state of mind.
[53:00] >> [snorts]
[53:00] >> But when that mind come back to the
[53:02] human body, then human body start
[53:05] functioning again.
[53:07] As
[53:08] before.
[53:10] So, their heart function and brain
[53:12] function
[53:13] restart and
[53:15] revive again.
[53:17] >> [snorts]
[53:19] >> So, then they understand, yes, they come
[53:20] back. Then they question them and then
[53:23] they record all what they experience.
[53:26] And [snorts] this thing they publish
[53:28] research papers based on this
[53:30] experience.
[53:32] They say this is a this is a phenomena.
[53:36] This science have no direct explanation,
[53:38] but this is a
[53:40] they they take as paranormal phenomena.
[53:43] It is a phenomena.
[53:45] >> [snorts]
[53:46] [laughter]
[53:47] >> So, now you can ask questions.
[53:55] Okay.
[53:57] >> Sorry, just
[53:59] Sorry, can you just can you just wait to
[54:00] take for the mic?
[54:05] You were just quick off the mark.
[54:12] Yeah, I I was reading a book talk about
[54:14] the Eightfold Path and there's something
[54:15] they mentioned in it which I couldn't
[54:16] understand at all and that it said that
[54:18] emptiness is no different from form and
[54:20] form is no different from emptiness. I
[54:22] couldn't understand what I meant at all.
[54:25] That was on the topic of the Eightfold
[54:27] Path. I think it was Mahayana book.
[54:30] Yeah.
[54:31] >> Yeah, this emptiness
[54:34] is a
[54:35] how they explain their experience.
[54:39] When they develop mind to these states
[54:42] of the higher states, so they can
[54:45] develop different perceptions.
[54:47] >> Mhm.
[54:48] >> These perceptions, actually, these are
[54:50] states of mind. These are very stable
[54:53] states of mind. That's why they they
[54:54] take
[54:55] as a
[54:57] That is the That is their understanding.
[54:59] That is their perception.
[55:01] There is nothing here.
[55:03] >> Mhm.
[55:04] >> So, it is very stable state of mind
[55:06] according to the Dhamma. Not only
[55:08] Dhamma, it is it is a kind of a
[55:10] practice. Practice even Buddha's time
[55:12] the other
[55:14] other the practitioners, the Brahmins,
[55:17] practice these states of mind.
[55:20] And actually
[55:21] even before Buddha become the Buddha, he
[55:24] was a Bodhisattva, the person who
[55:27] investigating how how to achieve the
[55:30] cessation of suffering.
[55:32] So, he he went to different different
[55:35] teachers. The Alara Kalama, the person
[55:39] who taught him
[55:40] to achieve these higher states of mind.
[55:43] So, he
[55:45] he was able to achieve these states of
[55:47] mind. That is called the this
[55:49] nothingness.
[55:52] State of nothingness. That is called
[55:54] Akincannayatana. It is a state of mind
[55:57] they develop
[55:59] and directly experience there's nothing.
[56:02] Natthikinci.
[56:03] There's nothing.
[56:05] >> [snorts]
[56:06] >> So, achieve these states of mind and
[56:08] this perception.
[56:10] So, they don't see anything there.
[56:12] Because they first day they go through a
[56:15] process of
[56:16] experiences. It is not one thing. They
[56:20] come to different state of experiences.
[56:23] They first see this uh
[56:26] uh the the the consciousness the the
[56:30] infinite consciousness.
[56:32] It is the no this consciousness rise and
[56:34] pass away
[56:36] continuously without any end.
[56:39] Then they see
[56:42] there's nothing in this process because
[56:45] this this consciousness arise
[56:48] in nowhere.
[56:50] Just arise and pass away. Arise and pass
[56:52] away. This is a state of mind. You know,
[56:54] they this is a high higher level of
[56:56] perception.
[56:57] >> [snorts]
[56:57] >> The Lord Buddha say
[57:00] if a person develop mind to these states
[57:04] if he when his body this human body
[57:06] passed away
[57:08] go to the death
[57:10] they go and reborn in this state of
[57:11] existence. These are become state of
[57:14] existences. These are called Brahma
[57:17] realm. Or the it is kind of a
[57:21] the that state of existence actually
[57:25] last about thousand years.
[57:27] It is not a very small time. Thousand
[57:30] years. Such a long time this this
[57:33] Brahmas live in these states of mind.
[57:36] It is a state of existence. But [snorts]
[57:38] after the when they reach to the end of
[57:41] the existence again they are past
[57:44] practices come back and they want to go
[57:46] to a different state of existence
[57:48] because they get fed up with that
[57:50] experience.
[57:51] That perception. That's what Buddha say.
[57:54] That's [snorts] why Lord Buddha say
[57:56] uh come to the end of craving to
[57:58] existence is one of the most important
[58:01] thing according to Buddhism.
[58:03] Buddha's teachings.
[58:05] Because people crave to experience
[58:08] whatever perception or a feeling.
[58:11] So they want to experience. They don't
[58:14] want to give up experiences.
[58:17] >> [snorts]
[58:18] >> That's why Lord Buddha inspire to see as
[58:20] all these experiences as impermanent.
[58:23] Therefore leads to suffering. Because
[58:26] when we crave to existence or the
[58:28] experience the world
[58:30] we can't experience a permanent thing.
[58:34] Always our experiences are impermanent.
[58:37] Change to different other states.
[58:39] So therefore when then we face to
[58:43] uh undesirable experiences
[58:46] unhappy experiences create unhappiness
[58:49] those experiences
[58:51] then leads to suffering.
[58:54] >> [snorts]
[58:54] >> So that's why Lord Buddha say if you
[58:55] want to
[58:57] totally liberate from suffering then you
[59:00] have to end the craving to existence,
[59:03] craving to experience.
[59:06] Have to come to an end.
[59:09] It naturally happen when you see the
[59:12] impermanence of all experiences, when
[59:14] you focus attention
[59:17] and pay attention
[59:19] on experiences,
[59:21] then you then you focus
[59:23] attention with the
[59:25] uh
[59:26] focus attention of the impermanence of
[59:29] experiences.
[59:30] So, then you see the impermanence of all
[59:33] experiences.
[59:34] Then
[59:36] you you don't want to
[59:38] be
[59:40] conscious anymore.
[59:42] So, that's how Lord Buddha say. Then it
[59:44] the craving to craving to
[59:47] >> [sighs]
[59:47] >> experience or craving to existence come
[59:49] to an end.
[59:51] In that way. So, it it don't happen when
[59:54] you are living in a sensual world with
[59:56] all the time having
[59:58] experience craving to consciousness or
[1:00:00] depend on consciousness.
[1:00:03] When you develop mind to the cessation
[1:00:05] of consciousness, then you have a
[1:00:07] option.
[1:00:08] Then you have a
[1:00:10] a clear clear-cut option. Oh, yeah.
[1:00:14] Am I choose the cessation of experience
[1:00:18] or am I
[1:00:20] go to a go back to a experience state of
[1:00:22] the the
[1:00:23] go back to experiences or the
[1:00:26] consciousness.
[1:00:28] Because the cessation of consciousness
[1:00:30] is a then they have a clear-cut way to
[1:00:33] achieve the cessation of consciousness.
[1:00:36] If a person don't know how to achieve
[1:00:38] the cessation of consciousness,
[1:00:41] so they don't have a
[1:00:43] any other option than having
[1:00:45] consciousness. Because always they are
[1:00:47] conscious. They don't know how to
[1:00:49] achieve the cessation.
[1:00:51] So, that's why Lord Buddha inspire
[1:00:53] people to achieve the full cessation.
[1:00:55] Then do then then they can clearly
[1:00:57] understand
[1:01:00] which one is valuable, which one is
[1:01:03] go to the full cessation
[1:01:05] or stay with consciousness.
[1:01:07] They have a they they have a
[1:01:10] position to weigh correctly.
[1:01:13] Otherwise, you don't have a position to
[1:01:16] the way correctly.
[1:01:19] Because you are already biased to the
[1:01:21] consciousness.
[1:01:23] >> [snorts]
[1:01:29] >> We'll just alternate with the questions
[1:01:31] in the room and the online questions.
[1:01:34] Uh thank you, Bhante. There's
[1:01:36] one question here.
[1:01:38] Does suffering burn up karmic energies
[1:01:42] and attachments to wrong views
[1:01:45] as a process to becoming empty?
[1:01:48] >> It ask ask again.
[1:01:50] >> Does suffering
[1:01:52] burn up
[1:01:53] >> Yeah.
[1:01:54] >> remove the karmic energies and
[1:01:56] attachments to wrong views
[1:01:59] as a process of becoming empty? Does the
[1:02:03] suffering help
[1:02:05] remove
[1:02:07] the karmic energies and attachments to
[1:02:09] wrong views?
[1:02:12] >> [gasps]
[1:02:14] [snorts]
[1:02:14] >> But yeah, some the the the suffering
[1:02:18] actually when you suffer
[1:02:21] the consciousness naturally try to find
[1:02:23] out
[1:02:25] the why suffer and how to escape the
[1:02:28] suffering.
[1:02:29] So, the problem is the if the if you
[1:02:33] don't know what is delusion and
[1:02:34] non-delusion
[1:02:36] so naturally you choose
[1:02:38] one way or the other to escape from the
[1:02:41] state of suffering.
[1:02:43] So, that's why
[1:02:44] very very interesting thing
[1:02:48] even the Buddha's time, the other
[1:02:50] religious leaders also actually show
[1:02:52] something actually valuable thing.
[1:02:55] Because they they they understood the
[1:02:58] suffering always associate with the
[1:03:00] sensual world. So, then we have to find
[1:03:02] out a method to escape from the
[1:03:04] sensuality.
[1:03:06] This is a little bit higher training,
[1:03:08] huh? This is not a
[1:03:09] the training like if you if you when you
[1:03:12] drink water, you get such sickness, then
[1:03:15] you have to reduce drinking water and
[1:03:16] then you can cope up with that
[1:03:18] suffering. So, not that kind of
[1:03:20] solution. This this
[1:03:23] developing mind to jhana states and
[1:03:25] liberate from suffering from the
[1:03:27] sensuality. This these things inspire
[1:03:31] the teachers in Buddha's time, other
[1:03:33] teachers.
[1:03:34] Not the Buddha.
[1:03:36] The before Buddha, even the
[1:03:39] they have that ability to teach other
[1:03:41] people to liberate mind from sensuality
[1:03:43] and
[1:03:44] bring the mind to the higher states.
[1:03:47] And the jhana states.
[1:03:49] Still, they are not liberated from all
[1:03:51] suffering. So, that's why delusion and
[1:03:54] non-delusion you have to understand
[1:03:55] based on the Buddha's teachings. Lord
[1:03:57] Buddha said delusion is the the root
[1:04:00] cause of delusion is craving to
[1:04:02] existence.
[1:04:05] Bhavatanna.
[1:04:06] When this bhavatanna come to end, you
[1:04:09] are you your crave to existence come to
[1:04:11] end in then when [clears throat] this
[1:04:13] life
[1:04:15] come to the death,
[1:04:16] there's no more craving to existence
[1:04:18] then this stream of consciousness start
[1:04:21] flowing. The start
[1:04:23] then stream of consciousness stop.
[1:04:25] That is called asavakkhaya.
[1:04:28] It come to the asavakkhaya, the shop
[1:04:32] come to the cessation of this stream of
[1:04:35] mentality and materiality.
[1:04:38] No more going to a
[1:04:40] another existence then it come to the
[1:04:42] end of suffering.
[1:04:44] >> [gasps]
[1:04:44] >> If it goes to another state of
[1:04:46] existence, some states of existences
[1:04:48] have very little suffering.
[1:04:51] That's why Lord Buddha say the different
[1:04:53] state of existences.
[1:04:55] So, when
[1:04:56] person go and reborn in a this
[1:04:59] deva realm or the go and reborn in
[1:05:02] brahma realms, these are these are
[1:05:05] no
[1:05:07] uh
[1:05:08] much suffering. They are no no no at
[1:05:10] least there is no any suffering.
[1:05:13] While they are staying in those states
[1:05:16] of existences.
[1:05:18] They come to the unhappy states when
[1:05:22] uh they reach to the end of that
[1:05:24] lifespan.
[1:05:25] It's a very long lifespans. When they
[1:05:28] reach to the end of lifespan,
[1:05:30] they are no more get happy with those
[1:05:33] experiences. Then they are past karma
[1:05:36] ripening. That means they they have done
[1:05:38] some good things in lower realms. So,
[1:05:41] they they want to go to the lower realms
[1:05:43] to to do that good things.
[1:05:46] >> [snorts]
[1:05:47] >> So, that's why they come back to the
[1:05:48] lower lower states of existences.
[1:05:51] Otherwise, they they are they don't have
[1:05:53] any suffering there.
[1:05:54] >> [snorts]
[1:05:55] >> That's what Buddha say.
[1:05:56] Even even the Buddha, when he was a
[1:05:59] alive as a human,
[1:06:01] Buddha say, attaining jhanas is sambodhi
[1:06:05] sukha.
[1:06:07] Because he temporarily liberate from all
[1:06:10] states of suffering and go to the jhana
[1:06:12] states and enjoy the jhana happiness.
[1:06:14] That's all.
[1:06:16] But
[1:06:17] uh he haven't give up life, that's why
[1:06:20] come back the human body.
[1:06:22] Until he go to parinibbana.
[1:06:26] When Bante
[1:06:29] Lord Buddha went to parinibbana, there
[1:06:31] is no more rebirth or no more existence.
[1:06:34] So, existence come to the cessation.
[1:06:37] >> [snorts]
[1:06:39] >> So, that's why end suffering.
[1:06:41] >> [gasps]
[1:06:44] >> Okay.
[1:06:44] >> Yes,
[1:06:46] thank you for the beautiful discourse.
[1:06:48] Like the whole discourse is about uh end
[1:06:51] of suffering forever.
[1:06:53] >> Yeah.
[1:06:53] >> Permanently. Nibbana.
[1:06:55] >> Mhm.
[1:06:56] >> So, you very well discussed the noble
[1:06:58] eightfold path.
[1:06:59] >> Mhm.
[1:07:00] >> You also made explained the dependent
[1:07:02] origination, how it arises with
[1:07:04] ignorance.
[1:07:06] >> [clears throat]
[1:07:06] >> But you thoroughly emphasized the jhana
[1:07:09] states.
[1:07:10] Uh that is your whole talk is on the
[1:07:13] jhanic states.
[1:07:14] And it is experience you're talking
[1:07:17] about. All experiences.
[1:07:21] My experience of non-self.
[1:07:23] Experience of impermanence, experience
[1:07:25] of suffering, but this is transient.
[1:07:27] It's only experience. But, that is not
[1:07:29] what we are at.
[1:07:31] Yes, when you experience, you will
[1:07:35] like to
[1:07:36] to further.
[1:07:38] We didn't come to that discussion yet.
[1:07:40] >> [clears throat]
[1:07:41] >> The whole story is the saddha
[1:07:44] uh viriya sila samadhi pagna. You know
[1:07:47] what that means.
[1:07:48] >> [snorts]
[1:07:48] >> So, we stopped at the level of samadhi.
[1:07:51] That is still us.
[1:07:53] We didn't go to the level of discussion
[1:07:55] of the pagna, wisdom.
[1:07:58] How does the wisdom comes?
[1:07:59] Now, there is we did not discuss about
[1:08:01] the four foundation of mindfulness.
[1:08:05] After
[1:08:06] get the develop the ability to still
[1:08:09] your mind, samadhi, then we proceed.
[1:08:13] That is the time you find the
[1:08:14] defilements.
[1:08:16] The defilements are the things that keep
[1:08:18] you in ignorance and in cycle of
[1:08:22] What is wrong part that depend on
[1:08:23] origination?
[1:08:24] So, we had to discuss that.
[1:08:26] The how to identify your defilements
[1:08:30] through practice of
[1:08:33] Then it should be practiced.
[1:08:35] Then seeing the suffering is because of
[1:08:38] those defilements.
[1:08:39] And then
[1:08:42] not to have grasping.
[1:08:44] And letting go.
[1:08:46] That is the wisdom that is required for
[1:08:48] permanent liberation. I think that test
[1:08:50] we discussing this thing.
[1:08:53] Which we did not do.
[1:08:55] We only stopped at the level of jhana,
[1:08:57] which is a temporary state.
[1:08:59] Who wants only experience? We want the
[1:09:01] result. We are stopping short of the
[1:09:03] final goal if you stop at jhana.
[1:09:07] Got it?
[1:09:08] >> Yeah.
[1:09:10] This is This is another thing. So,
[1:09:13] actually
[1:09:16] Buddha talk about this path based on
[1:09:20] cessation. Cessation is the
[1:09:22] >> [snorts]
[1:09:22] >> third noble truth.
[1:09:24] So, if people talk about wisdom
[1:09:29] before achieving the cessation,
[1:09:33] that is not real wisdom.
[1:09:35] So, that is that is the most important
[1:09:37] thing. This path is
[1:09:40] the motivation of the path. I talk about
[1:09:43] the motivation. Why we should practice
[1:09:45] the path?
[1:09:47] Lord Buddha never say in any sutra you
[1:09:50] should practice a path to achieve
[1:09:52] wisdom. Never say.
[1:09:55] Nowhere I find out in any sutra
[1:09:58] to practice a path to achieve wisdom.
[1:10:00] No. Lord Buddha say you should practice
[1:10:03] the path to achieve cessation.
[1:10:06] >> [gasps]
[1:10:06] >> When you achieve the cessation, you have
[1:10:08] the wisdom.
[1:10:10] Because
[1:10:12] when we travel to the target, we have to
[1:10:16] deal in the present moment and develop
[1:10:19] mind step by step to go to the target.
[1:10:22] So, we are targeting the cessation.
[1:10:26] So, then we have to deal with the
[1:10:29] problems arise here and now with the
[1:10:31] wisdom.
[1:10:33] That's why we first
[1:10:35] talk about the right view.
[1:10:39] And then show the target. You have to
[1:10:40] achieve the cessation. When you are
[1:10:42] going to the target, problems arise.
[1:10:46] How the problems arise? Because
[1:10:50] your eye, ear, nose, tongue, body, mind
[1:10:51] work based on delusion.
[1:10:54] So, then you have to rectify your your
[1:10:57] your intentions. Cut off and let go your
[1:10:59] intentions, which always based on
[1:11:01] delusion.
[1:11:03] So, you have to be wise to deal with
[1:11:07] different situations in your life when
[1:11:09] you are practicing the path.
[1:11:11] So, it it is a middle thing. You know,
[1:11:14] that's why satipatthana is important.
[1:11:16] Sati is important.
[1:11:18] The
[1:11:20] when we are practicing the path,
[1:11:23] when we are practicing sati,
[1:11:25] then
[1:11:26] >> [clears throat]
[1:11:26] >> you you have to manage
[1:11:29] your mentality and this bodily
[1:11:32] materiality, your life. You have to
[1:11:34] manage wisely by cutting off the the
[1:11:39] defilements or the craving arise within
[1:11:42] us.
[1:11:43] Because
[1:11:45] while we are live as a human, we develop
[1:11:48] mind
[1:11:49] to these higher states.
[1:11:51] >> [snorts]
[1:11:51] >> So,
[1:11:52] the for maintaining this human body, so
[1:11:55] we have to wisely deal with the world.
[1:11:59] Wisely deal with your your bodily needs.
[1:12:02] Because body is not you. It is a the the
[1:12:07] part the the the the entity run based on
[1:12:10] delusion and the the causes and
[1:12:13] conditions which are related to the
[1:12:15] life.
[1:12:16] So, your choices based on your past
[1:12:20] practices. Where are you born? Where are
[1:12:22] you lived? What you associated? So, then
[1:12:24] we have to wisely deal with these
[1:12:26] things.
[1:12:27] But that is not the target of
[1:12:30] the the this practice.
[1:12:32] If you if you think oh yeah, now I am
[1:12:35] wise to how I don't know I know how to
[1:12:38] deal with my sensual world or I I know
[1:12:40] how to deal with
[1:12:42] most of the things in this world.
[1:12:45] People think that is wisdom. No, that is
[1:12:47] delusion.
[1:12:49] >> [gasps and laughter]
[1:12:49] >> If you if you know how to
[1:12:52] liberate from this sensual world and go
[1:12:54] to the Jana state, Lord Buddha will say
[1:12:56] that is the that is wisdom.
[1:12:59] Natthi janam apannassa pannaya natthi
[1:13:02] ajayino atthi janam ca pannaya ca so ve
[1:13:04] nibbanasanniti.
[1:13:06] If a person don't have Janas, that is
[1:13:08] the highest states of mind, they don't
[1:13:10] have panna.
[1:13:11] They don't have wisdom. But these days
[1:13:14] people they describe wisdom
[1:13:16] before attaining Janas. They say oh,
[1:13:18] Jana is very dangerous. This is
[1:13:24] This is not Buddhism.
[1:13:26] >> [laughter]
[1:13:26] >> This is not Buddhism.
[1:13:31] >> [laughter]
[1:13:32] >> Buddha clearly say what is panna and
[1:13:35] what is non panna.
[1:13:37] >> [laughter]
[1:13:44] >> Thank you Bhante.
[1:13:45] There's a comment question.
[1:13:48] Dear Bhante, thank you so much.
[1:13:50] I am wondering
[1:13:52] if we [clears throat] comprehend all of
[1:13:53] these concepts using consciousness
[1:13:56] >> Mhm.
[1:13:57] >> then when we meditate, how do we let go
[1:14:01] of these same consciousnesses that we
[1:14:03] used?
[1:14:04] >> Mhm.
[1:14:05] Ask again.
[1:14:07] >> So if if we comprehend all of these
[1:14:10] concepts using consciousness
[1:14:13] we understand everything you're talking
[1:14:14] about with our conscious mind
[1:14:16] >> Mhm.
[1:14:17] >> when we meditate, how do we let go of
[1:14:19] that same consciousness that is
[1:14:21] understanding?
[1:14:23] >> [snorts]
[1:14:23] >> Yeah, the actually first we understand
[1:14:26] what is really happening, but
[1:14:29] the understanding is just at the
[1:14:31] beginning. These are just words.
[1:14:34] But we have to
[1:14:35] deal with our mentality. We have to
[1:14:37] identify mentality.
[1:14:39] So it is a part of that that is called
[1:14:42] this is a gradual wisdom growing. That's
[1:14:44] why
[1:14:45] if we talk about these things too much,
[1:14:47] you are attached to this or this is my
[1:14:49] wisdom, that is my wisdom, gain
[1:14:51] delusion.
[1:14:52] >> [laughter]
[1:14:53] >> If you That's why That's why Buddha
[1:14:55] never talk about these things too much,
[1:14:58] but you have to do it. Be because
[1:15:02] first you know only the words, then you
[1:15:04] have to investigate. That's why Lord
[1:15:06] Buddha say samude damanu pasia viharati
[1:15:08] the satipatthana is very important
[1:15:11] to understand this dhamma within your
[1:15:15] body and mind.
[1:15:17] So that is that is that is that is why
[1:15:18] satipatthana come before attaining
[1:15:21] jhanas.
[1:15:22] Without satipatthana, you don't attain
[1:15:24] jhanas anyways.
[1:15:26] >> [laughter]
[1:15:27] >> Because satipatthana develop the wisdom
[1:15:30] gradually and achieve the cessation.
[1:15:32] When you achieve the cessation, you have
[1:15:34] the wisdom. If you don't achieve
[1:15:36] cessation, you don't have wisdom. Still
[1:15:38] you are deluded.
[1:15:39] >> [laughter]
[1:15:40] >> So that that is the most important thing
[1:15:42] we have to understand.
[1:15:43] >> [gasps]
[1:15:43] >> So
[1:15:45] letting go by understanding things arise
[1:15:48] and pass away. You have to watch and see
[1:15:51] and understand. This is not just words.
[1:15:54] This is a reality. You should achieve
[1:15:56] the reality within your body and mind.
[1:15:59] Cessation you have to achieve.
[1:16:02] As a reality. It is not just a word.
[1:16:06] So that's why it's very important to
[1:16:08] understand.
[1:16:10] First you have you get the concepts.
[1:16:13] So very interesting. If you read
[1:16:15] Ariyapariyesana Sutta,
[1:16:17] even the Buddha, before become Buddha,
[1:16:19] when he was a Bodhisatta, first he went
[1:16:22] to Alara
[1:16:23] Kalama.
[1:16:24] What he learn?
[1:16:26] He learn that that teaching and
[1:16:29] >> [clears throat]
[1:16:29] >> uh learn by heart and recite by heart.
[1:16:33] Then
[1:16:34] they they accept him as a Oh yeah, he's
[1:16:37] an out there. He's a person who can
[1:16:40] uh
[1:16:41] recite the whole thing
[1:16:43] by heart. And now he had he came to a
[1:16:46] certain level.
[1:16:48] But
[1:16:49] he then he asked,
[1:16:51] "Is it Are you
[1:16:53] directly experience these things and
[1:16:55] achieve these things and come to this
[1:16:57] state?"
[1:16:58] Then say, "Yes. Yes, we have to do it."
[1:17:00] So then he practice and he directly come
[1:17:04] to direct experience, Alara Kalama's
[1:17:06] level.
[1:17:08] He develop mind. That means he It is
[1:17:11] panna.
[1:17:12] He develop mind to the the
[1:17:14] Akincannayatana, the the immaterial
[1:17:17] jhana realm.
[1:17:19] And he he come to the same experience.
[1:17:24] And he can describe as Alara Kalama.
[1:17:28] So then Alara Kalama uh the invited uh
[1:17:31] the the Bodhisatta,
[1:17:33] "Okay, now you are equal to me. We can
[1:17:36] share the the students and
[1:17:40] two different things.
[1:17:41] In many [snorts] suttas, Buddha
[1:17:43] explained
[1:17:45] uh
[1:17:46] saccanubodha saccanupatti.
[1:17:49] Anubodha pativedha. These two words
[1:17:52] Buddha used. First, you listen
[1:17:55] and carefully investigate within your
[1:17:57] body and mind and understand
[1:18:01] what is this and what how it
[1:18:04] relate to our life.
[1:18:06] And then, you start practicing and
[1:18:09] develop mind on the path. Then, you
[1:18:11] gradually get rid of all the delusion
[1:18:13] deluded mentality
[1:18:16] and [snorts] liberate your mind from the
[1:18:17] sensuality. It is a It is a process. You
[1:18:20] have to practice. That is That is the
[1:18:22] meaning of satipatthana.
[1:18:24] When satipatthana practicing, actually,
[1:18:26] they develop the wisdom, but it is a the
[1:18:29] path to develop the wisdom.
[1:18:33] If you properly develop the wisdom, then
[1:18:36] you achieve the cessation. Without
[1:18:38] achieving cessation, if you claim you
[1:18:41] develop the wisdom, that is delusion.
[1:18:45] That is the important thing to
[1:18:46] understand because that's why I told
[1:18:49] now people
[1:18:50] wrongly interpret these things.
[1:18:53] >> [snorts]
[1:18:54] >> Without achieving cessation, they they
[1:18:56] talk about
[1:18:57] the
[1:18:58] this is wisdom.
[1:19:00] They still still they are they they
[1:19:03] can't let go the sensual world. They are
[1:19:05] still attached to the sensual world.
[1:19:07] They say, "Ah, no need to go to jhanas."
[1:19:09] Wrong.
[1:19:10] Lord Buddha say, "You You get fully
[1:19:12] released from the sensuality means you
[1:19:14] are going to jhana." That is called the
[1:19:16] the ending of five hindrances.
[1:19:22] So, that's why this process actually
[1:19:24] this satipatthana is the the most
[1:19:26] essential thing. That is the most
[1:19:27] closest thing to the jhanas. Without
[1:19:31] practicing satipatthana, you can't
[1:19:33] achieve the the the jhana states.
[1:19:35] That means you should understand the
[1:19:37] mentality which hinder mind going to the
[1:19:40] the full liberation from the sensuality.
[1:19:43] There is a at a how your mind attached
[1:19:45] to the sensuality.
[1:19:47] You have to mindfully understand and cut
[1:19:50] off those attachments. Then your mind
[1:19:52] get liberated from the sensuality and go
[1:19:54] to the non-sensuality.
[1:19:56] Until you go to the non-sensuality, you
[1:19:58] don't know
[1:20:00] whether you are within sensuality or
[1:20:01] not.
[1:20:03] Because your mind is still wander among
[1:20:05] the sensual world objects.
[1:20:08] >> [laughter]
[1:20:09] >> What about the yogis who are
[1:20:11] kind of attained with the jhanas, but
[1:20:12] they are with the other states?
[1:20:14] >> Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's
[1:20:15] >> But they they are not liberated.
[1:20:16] >> No, no, they are No, no.
[1:20:18] >> But they they attained the jhanas.
[1:20:20] >> No, no, that is wrong.
[1:20:22] That is wrong. They are liberated. When
[1:20:24] they attain jhanas, they are liberated
[1:20:26] only mindly.
[1:20:28] Not wisdom. That is a panna vimutti ceto
[1:20:30] vimutti. They are are two different
[1:20:32] things.
[1:20:33] They achieve the ceto vimutti, but they
[1:20:35] don't achieve the panna vimutti. That is
[1:20:37] the problem.
[1:20:38] Because they are not
[1:20:40] liberated from existences.
[1:20:44] They are crave to the existence. So,
[1:20:46] therefore, they go in samsara. They
[1:20:48] don't do not liberate from all
[1:20:49] suffering.
[1:20:50] But they temporarily liberated from
[1:20:52] suffering from the sensuality. That is
[1:20:55] it is a temporary liberation.
[1:20:57] So, but
[1:20:59] you have to experience that liberation.
[1:21:01] Otherwise, you don't know how to
[1:21:02] liberate from the sensuality. That means
[1:21:04] you are still trapped to the the
[1:21:06] delusion.
[1:21:08] >> [laughter]
[1:21:12] >> All right, thanks, Ajahn. You You're
[1:21:13] certainly fired up after the vassa.
[1:21:15] That's one thing for sure.
[1:21:17] >> [laughter]
[1:21:18] >> A little a little bit of little bit of
[1:21:20] editing to do there, Lang didn't okay?
[1:21:23] All right. Um so, that's the end of the
[1:21:25] talk. Thanks, Ajahn, for coming in
[1:21:26] today. A couple of announcements for
[1:21:28] everyone here. So, um
[1:21:31] Uh for the in terms of the our special
[1:21:34] general meeting that we ran last week.
[1:21:36] So, thanks to the community members who
[1:21:39] joined the um joined the SGM last week
[1:21:41] and also
[1:21:42] um the um um the AV team. So, thanks to
[1:21:46] the AV team for coming in to support the
[1:21:48] running of that meeting. And also the
[1:21:50] building subcommittee for their efforts
[1:21:52] in the underlying projects. So, we had
[1:21:55] uh three motions that were passed. Um
[1:21:58] they were relating to upgrading the
[1:21:59] septic system at SOS at a retreat
[1:22:02] center.
[1:22:03] Um designing and building of the
[1:22:05] meditation meditation hall and also some
[1:22:08] design activities for the redevelopment
[1:22:10] of the nuns area.
[1:22:11] So, thank you to everyone who
[1:22:13] participated in that.
[1:22:15] Also, for our gratitude day, we had a
[1:22:17] gratitude day for everyone who does all
[1:22:19] of the work for making this place run uh
[1:22:22] here as well as um everything over in
[1:22:24] Newbury.
[1:22:25] So, um uh without without them,
[1:22:29] we would be nothing, actually. So, we're
[1:22:30] very grateful to everyone everyone who
[1:22:33] put in the effort um to to make that
[1:22:35] event happen and for everyone to come
[1:22:37] and participate in that.
[1:22:38] So, the next event that we've got up and
[1:22:41] that's happening is cutting a robe
[1:22:43] offering ceremony. So, that's going to
[1:22:44] be happening on Sunday, the 15th of
[1:22:46] November from 9:30 a.m. to 3:00 p.m. at
[1:22:49] Newbury. Um you if you could check if
[1:22:52] you are interested in coming, you can
[1:22:54] check the newsletter uh which was sent
[1:22:56] on uh Friday, the 16th of October. That
[1:22:58] was a special newsletter that was sent
[1:23:00] out and also you could go to for more
[1:23:02] details on that. There is a bus
[1:23:07] um I think there are tickets still
[1:23:09] available for if you do if you don't
[1:23:11] have trans- transportation, you can um
[1:23:13] there's bus ticket uh you can grab a bus
[1:23:15] ticket for that one.
[1:23:18] Okay. So, the monthly lay discussion
[1:23:20] which which runs on the first Sunday of
[1:23:22] the month, that's running today. So, Dr.
[1:23:24] Jaya, you can
[1:23:26] Yeah, we can we can still have it. Um
[1:23:28] it it is competing with something else
[1:23:29] which I'll come into in the in in a
[1:23:31] moment. So, that's to discuss thing you
[1:23:34] know, discuss things relating to um
[1:23:37] let It's effectively lay lay discussion.
[1:23:40] Yeah, we can continue on this discussion
[1:23:42] for those who that will um that are
[1:23:44] interested and that and Dr. Jayasekara
[1:23:46] will will facilitate that one.
[1:23:49] Also, it's competing with the
[1:23:51] Kalyanamitta cleaning day because last
[1:23:53] week we we weren't able to run the
[1:23:54] Kalyanamitta cleaning day because it's
[1:23:57] it was the the SGM. So, we would
[1:23:59] appreciate some people coming to to help
[1:24:02] out with that particularly in the
[1:24:03] garden. If you've gone out there, the
[1:24:04] grass has just gone absolutely wild. So,
[1:24:08] we would appreciate some help with
[1:24:09] people
[1:24:11] in the maintenance of inside and
[1:24:13] outside.
[1:24:15] Also, in terms of retreats, Bhante Bodhi
[1:24:17] and Bhante Chunda, their retreat at the
[1:24:19] retreat center will be on from the 27th
[1:24:21] of November to the 2nd of December and
[1:24:23] registrations are now open for that.
[1:24:26] Tomorrow night, Ajahn, you're going to
[1:24:28] do the the
[1:24:30] Monday night meditation here 7:30 at
[1:24:33] 7:30 p.m.
[1:24:35] And also
[1:24:37] for next
[1:24:39] next week's teaching program, uh
[1:24:41] Saturday uh Saturday
[1:24:44] monthly retreat, that'll be Bhante Joe.
[1:24:46] Now, Bhante Joe is struggling with with
[1:24:49] his energy levels at the moment, so
[1:24:50] there may be a change to the program
[1:24:53] with another member of the Sangha
[1:24:54] stepping in for for all or part of the
[1:24:56] program. So, please check the website
[1:24:59] for details on any updates on that one.
[1:25:03] So, if you are planning to come for that
[1:25:04] one, it's between 8:30 a.m. to 4:30 p.m.
[1:25:08] and if you can bring make your own lunch
[1:25:10] arrangements and tea and coffee will be
[1:25:12] available throughout the day.
[1:25:14] Uh next Sunday will be Bhante Joe and
[1:25:16] Monday night meditation will also be
[1:25:18] Bhante Joe. That's it for announcements.
[1:25:20] Thank you very much, Ajahn, for giving
[1:25:22] us the Dhamma talk. The pinapata
[1:25:25] and lunch community lunch is over there
[1:25:27] for starting at 11:00 a.m. And we'll let
[1:25:29] Ajahn close and we will wait for Ajahn
[1:25:32] to leave before we
[1:25:35] we disperse, okay? Thank you.
[1:25:38] >> Okay, now we can pay respect to Buddha,
[1:25:40] Dhamma, Sangha.
[1:25:47] >> [snorts]
[1:26:40] >> If you could just remain seated until
[1:26:42] Ajahn
[1:26:43] leaves, thank you.